July 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into explosive political commentary surrounding President Joe Biden’s health and the growing controversy over a potential coverup by his administration. The hour opens with breaking news that Biden’s personal physician, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, invoked the Fifth Amendment during a congressional deposition—fueling speculation of a coordinated effort to conceal the president’s cognitive decline.
Clay and Buck analyze the implications of this development, citing House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer’s assertion that Dr. O’Connor’s silence points to a broader conspiracy within the Biden White House. The hosts explore two possible outcomes: either a whistleblower from Biden’s inner circle may come forward, or damning documents could emerge proving the president was unfit for office.
The conversation intensifies as the hosts argue for primetime congressional hearings—similar to the January 6th hearings—to expose what they describe as a “Biden health coverup.” They emphasize the ethical and political stakes, asserting that Biden’s top aides may have knowingly misled the public while continuing to govern in his name.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck draw historical parallels, including references to Watergate and the Nixon resignation, and even compare the situation to the HBO series House of the Dragon, likening Biden to a “dying king” propped up by palace insiders. They argue that this alleged deception undermines democratic transparency and could have long-term consequences for public trust in government.
The hosts also contrast Biden’s media-shy behavior with Donald Trump’s openness, highlighting an incident where Biden’s aides panicked after a reporter obtained his personal cell number. They suggest this reflects deeper concerns about Biden’s ability to handle unscripted interactions.
In addition to political analysis, the hour includes commentary on the 2026 midterm elections, the fallout from the Roe v. Wade reversal, and the importance of maintaining Republican control of Congress to prevent potential impeachment efforts against Trump. They also touch on the Jeffrey Epstein case, expressing frustration over the lack of transparency and accountability.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Oh my goodness,
maybe real panic in the Biden world, as the proverbial
crap may have hit.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The fan here.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I do think this is a really big story
that has just happened this morning that we are going
to dive into and explain what exactly is going on here.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
As if you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Don't already know, Joe Biden's doctor, his personal physician, his
White House chief health official for his own personal ability
and health was called before Congress. They're doing an investigation
into Joe Biden's mental and physical faculties and what now
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is increasingly looking more and more like a cover up.
And this is a big deal, and I'm curious how
much attention it's going to get, but I think it
should get a massive amount of attention. And I want
to read from James Comer, who is heading up this committee,
and we have an invite out to Representative Comer to
(01:23):
come on the program and talk about this. This is
what he tweeted. President Joe Biden's physician, doctor Kevin O'Connor,
just pled the fifth at his deposition before Congress Today,
it's now clear there was a conspiracy to cover up
President Biden's cognitive decline after doctor Kevin O'Connor, Biden's physician
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and family business associate, refused to answer any questions and
chose to hide behind the Fifth Amendment. The American people
demand transparency, but doctor O'Connor would rather conceal the truth.
Doctor O'Connor took the fifth when asked if he was
told to lie about President Biden's health and whether he
was fit to be president of the United States. Congress
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must assess legislative solutions to prevent such a cover up
from happening again. We will continue to interview more Biden
White House aids to get the answers Americans deserve. Okay,
let me tell you what stands out to me in
a very significant way here. And this is me if
I were giving legal advice, you take the fifth when
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you are afraid that it is going to be proven
that you have lied. You lie. I'm just saying this
is how it really works. You lie, which is what
I expected Biden's physician to do, when you think you
can get away with the lie, and there is no
one that is going to be able to hold you
accountable for it. Now, I'm not saying people are like, oh,
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you should never lie. I understand, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
In general, Clay is not just to be clear, okay,
as Consolieri, he's not supporting perjury. He's not telling anybody
to try to gain the system. He's just saying, strategically,
this is what people do.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is how this works. If you think you can
get away with a lie in this situation, if they say, hey,
what did you think about Joe Biden, then you just say, hey,
you know he was one hundred percent healthy, and and
or if you actually believe it to be fair, because
you could just say, well, he was one hundred percent healthy,
there was never any issues at all, and I was
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thoroughly confident that he could do the job. Here's what
I think is going on, Buck, I think one of
two things is about to happen, and it's going to
become a five alarm fire inside of the Biden health
cover up. One, there is somebody who's gonna flip, and
they may be working on this right now, and they
may have somebody inside of the Biden team that is
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on the verge of flipping and just being the Canary
and singing like crazy about all of the conspiracy that
actually took place, what he or she saw, what actually
took place, what we all know was occurring. It may
be about to become public in a way that makes
people say, oh my goodness. Two, there may be documents
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associated with Joe Biden's health that prove I know that
they had the cancer diagnosis, and we all discussed what
that might represent. But there may be documents health related
that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that any
physician knew that Biden was not mentally and physically capable
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to be president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so it could be both.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think that this investigation is jostling a lot of people.
And I think his counsel said because previously, remember what
he said publicly is Joe Biden was hail and hardy.
He had the job to be He could be president
for another twenty years. You know all these lies that
we know are lies. That's what he said publicly. But
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as soon as he has to raise that right hand,
why would he take the fifth He is afraid. Maybe
he's even negotiating to potentially be a witness in this
larger criminal inquiry. I think this is accelerating and this
is the signs of what's going on.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Let's take a step back here at what this really means, Clay.
The cleanup on ale Biden is possibly going to create
even more problems because remember, and this was the whole Tapper.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Book and the whole oh we didn't know, we didn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And they're hoping that that now becomes the story. And
we've sat here the whole time saying the commander in chief,
the most powerful person in the world for four years,
obviously had dementia. They were hiding it, and they knew it.
And they have finally come out and said, you know what,
you were right guys. Now that they lost the election,
now that Kamala's political future is done, by the way, done,
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and people just think Comma's gonna run no chance. Now
that that's all the case, they're willing to say we
missed this. No, they didn't miss it, and they were
hoping to create that narrative because you can move on
from that. I don't think you can move on. And
people are saying, why are you guys still talking about this?
Are you kidding me? It matters hugely, hugely if the
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people running the government, the actual individuals who in some
cases maybe were even signing bills and doing things in
Biden's name without his knowledge, were conspiring and that's an
important word here, conspiring to hide that fact from the
American people. Let's keep in mind, Clay, some of the
charges that they were trying to bring against Trump with
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regard to the twenty twenty election had to do with
deprivation of civil rights. Remember how creative they're going, because
if you were depriving people of a fair election, you
were depriving them of a Now, put aside whether you
think that that's a little too much legal hocus pocus,
look at what it would mean if Biden's doctor and
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people around. Now the doctor can say I had a
legal obligation and he does to keep it private, like
he couldn't go forward with that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But I think the doctor knows that there are other.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
People who knew, like maybe the top White House advisors
who knew, and they chose, they chose the conspiracy of silence.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, and also, this is where it gets interesting. You
can argue, hey, my patient's private health is not for
public discussion. He's entitled to that. His family might be
entitled to that. Here's the problem. A lot of people
had access to the reports that he was writing, and
I think what likely was occurring was top Biden officials.
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This is why I read and have finished original sin.
There was a cadre the Pollit Bureau, as it were,
about five top advisors for Biden shielded him from everyone else.
And I think that group was sitting down with the
doctor and saying, here's what we're going to say publicly.
I think this was a conspiracy. I think it was criminal,
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and I think they're starting to be fear that there
may be criminal charges brought against this. And here's what
I would say, and I've said this before on the program,
but I would echo it now because I think it's
even truer because I was stunned that he didn't just
try to lie his way through it candidly. This morning
when I woke up and I saw this news coming down,
I think there should be public primetime hearings about this
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in the same way that they did jan six, because
there's a precedent on this in August when there's not
very much on television. Do these make ABC, nbccbs CNN,
MSNBC covered this as a part of their broadcast license
obligations and the precedent. They said on January sixth, bring
every one of these top advisors in front of Congress
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and grill them under oath.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Now you could say, Clay, there are two I agree.
I think that's I think that's absolutely the move. There
are two ways to look at this or look at
why should happen. One is, and we'll start with it.
It's the ethical right thing to do. The American people
have a right to know and that if this was done,
we need this to be out there because we are
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a republic and we are a political entity where the
knowledge of the population matters for the leadership.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
In the future of it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Okay, And now maybe that sounds a little too much
like I'm giving a you know, third grade civic speech
for some people. Okay, fine, Well I want to talk
about you know, Epstein, or I want to talk about
something else. Okay, Well, hold on a second. Remember what
happened to the midterms. To your point, they ran all
these hearings. Now, I know there were different reasons for it,
but defensive democracy was seen as a primary reason in
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the key races that things just went against Republicans you know,
if you looked at the data defensive democracy, they say
it like that, Clay, I think going into the Trump
midterms here, when there's a little bit of an expectation,
Oh no, they might take back the House and then
they'll stye me everything. Hold on a second, Let's let
all of the American people know that the Democrat Party
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at the very top level that had been lecturing us
about our sacred democracy and our wonderful institutions that Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Was trampling on.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Let's let them know that they were hiding a vegetable
president from the American public and in the White House
day in and day out, and they were making decisions,
and they were signing bills, and they were making decisions
about life and death, with operations abroad and covert actions
and pardons and all of this with a vegetable sputtering
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around the White House. I think people should know the
full details. Politically, that could have a real impact if
you don't care about the ethics of it. Yeah, and
also I think the precedent that it sets in the
years ahead. I think if you shame these individuals who
covered up Joe Biden and potentially criminally charged them and
embarrassed them publicly. I think there may be in the
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back of the mind of advisors going.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Forward, I don't work for this president. I work for
the American people, and that distinction sometimes can be difficult.
But everyone who covered up for Joe Biden wasn't working
for the American public. They were working for Joe Biden.
And worst of all, they were working for themselves. In
original Sin, there's a good line Buck. I hadn't heard
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it before, and I'm paraphrasing it here, but one of
the quotes is, no one quits when it's the first
line of their obituary. No one quits a job that's
the first line of their obituary. Because they just kept saying,
why were all these guys in gals surrounding Biden protecting him?
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Because this was the apex of their career too. It
wasn't just that Joe Biden was president. It was that
they were chief of staff or chief of politics. Their
connection to his power was paramount, And no one quits.
Think about that line. It's a really good line. I
hadn't heard it before. No one quits the Joe. That's
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the first line of their resume. And I may not
be synthesizing it perfectly. But that basically is the idea.
And I think that's what we saw with Biden and
I again, no one takes me say this, No one
takes the fifth who isn't concerned about what's coming next.
You always take the fifth as a prelude to something
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else that isn't public yet that you're afraid is coming
down the tracks after you.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, it's one of the funniest things. You could run this.
You could run this tape all day with these different Democrats.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Now we're going to.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Say, in this case Clay, pleading the fifth means nothing,
not an admission of guilts. When it's a Republican, when
it's Trump, anybody around Trump who wanted to plead the fifth,
of course, it's an admission of guilt. So there's no
real principle that they apply.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
To this at all.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I will also point this out. This is what we
talked about a lot with Trump. They're simultaneously the legal
and the political, and something can be very smart legally
and awful politically. And Trump, I thought, was a masterclass
on how to balance out the legal and political because
they tried to put him in prison and bankrupt him
and that was basically the undercurrent of his entire campaign
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in twenty twenty four, and he did a lot of
things that lawyers would say, I'd prefer you not.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Do that here.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This could be smart legally and devastating politically. Did we
talk on the air, because this is one of the
most interesting things you said to me off the air
about what's in the book that you've read, which, now, whatever,
Clay's going to give me his copy, So I'm not
going to give any money. Yes, next time you read
the original Sin book over July fourth on the beach,
I finished it.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yes, so so he's gonna give me his copy. I'm
not going to give them any money. But Clay, did
we talk about how Biden felt about the prospect of
Trump going to prison on the show?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I can't remember if we did. I can't remember if
we said that on or off air. Conversations continue about Yeah,
got into that.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, let's let's get into that in a moment, because
I also think that is really important for everyone to know,
especially given the now revelations about what looks more like
a conspiracy instead of the Democrats are just so dumb
they can't tell when someone has you know, brain problems.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
We should dive into that a little bit. Yeah, no doubt.
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Speaker 2 (16:05):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I just found this fascinating and I'm not trying to
help sell any copies of this book. Like I said,
go to your local library you know, borrow their copy
and pass it around to friends of what's it called
Original Sin. But Clay, I thought this was because I've
been on this crusade for a long time that everyone
needs to know the notion of old man Biden as
like a cuddly figure a grandpa, as a good guy.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Maybe a disagree with them politically, he is a good guy.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
There's plenty of reason that I have been saying, talking
about how he lied about how you know, the guy
responsible for his wife's death was drunk, stuff like that.
Biden's jerk, not a good guy. Trump is actually fundamentally
a good guy. Biden is not tell everybody about what
Biden in the book thought about Trump going to prison.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
He was bragging about the fact, according to Original Sin,
that he wanted Trump to go to prison and that
they believed that all of the charges were going to
completely destroy Trump's ability to be able to run in
twenty twenty four as a viable candidate. I mean just bragging, laughing,
joking about it privately. And what emerges is and again,
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I think the number of conspiracies that are true inside
of the White House, the health cover up of Biden.
But I mean We've said this for a long time.
The idea that all of these charges that were brought
in Georgia, Florida, DC, and New York were not being
organized by the Biden White House is a complete lie.
They had their fingerprints over all of this. They were
manipulating at all.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Vegetable Biden was trying to lock Trump up for the
rest of his life. He was actually trying to do it.
It wasn't just a political maneuver. Everybody that's big.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's totally The evidence that comes out of that book,
and some of the stuff that wasn't reported is some
of the most interesting.
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Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, we're talking about Biden's
doctor pleading the fifth There also is reports. I think
we hinted at it yesterday, but I don't know that
we actually dove into it, which was that someone got
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Joe Biden's cell phone number in March who is writing
a report on I think they've got a book coming
out about the twenty twenty four election, and they called Biden,
and Biden's aides panicked that he now had a cell phone.
He fumbled around in answer. The guy who was calling
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the reporter. This is according to Axios, got just absolutely
reprimanded by everyone surrounding Biden. He left a voicemail. Within
two days they had completely shut down the cell phone.
And so this is and just so you guys know,
and I think a lot of you do know. Trump
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had a personal cell phone and will answer and talk
to media all the time and governors. I've witnessed him
during when I interviewed him on Air Force one, he
paused the interview to pick up his phone and answer it. Buck,
You and I have seen him just pause conversations, pick
up his phone and answer. It's a governor, it's a
political figure, it's a reporter. But think about the cover
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ups still going on of Biden that his aids, even
now when he's not in the White House, are petrified
when he answers the phone about what he might be
saying to a reporter. And again, I think it speaks
to not what's directly in front of us. But I
think they're afraid of charges coming for the cover up
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surrounding Biden. I think they're aware that there is going
to be somebody's gonna flip. There is somebody who is
going to come forward and tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I have two things One about the charges which I'll
pose to you, in a second. But but before that,
I also think Clay, that there's a damage control mode
for these to your point about the first line of
the resume or the way that your curriculum VITE reads
after or CV after you've you've left one of these jobs.
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They all think the point of being the deputy something
or other in a white House for most people is
to become the actual top guy or the or to
get the next job up on the ladder. I mean
a lot of people who not for everybody in the
Trump administration, I don't think that's the case. I think
there are a lot of people who have come in
and are doing this because they want to do this
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and they want to serve. They're not Oh, if I'm
like deputy CIA director, next year I get to be
you know, the act or next time around, I get
the actual director.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I'm saying this just because I think that there's concern
that anybody in the Biden orbit in any meaningful way
is done. You know, they're politically toxic going forward, and
that may not seem like a big thing to a
lot of a lot of us sitting around, except this
is their lot, this is what they do. This is
how they've they've devoted their professional lives to this, and
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proximity to power is everything. That's actually one of the
only secretly I really do like DC as a city.
I know, I get yelled at for this all that,
can I say you like it? DC's great a lot. Yeah, yeah,
we both like DC. And I know that you're groaning.
I can hear. I can feel your groans all across America.
But it's actually got a lot of good things going
for it. The part of it other than the fact
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that it's ninety six percent Democrat, so it's obviously run
like an insane asylum. But the other thing about it
just culturally is everything's about proximity to power. There if
you're paying attention to that, you know, or if you're
picking up on it, and it just gets tiresome and
it's gross.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
These people in Biden's orbit are never going to be
in the proximity of power again if it comes out
that they were part of the you know, picking up
the apple sauce off the ground that Biden was dribbling
out the.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Corner of his mouth. Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
The other thing though, is I was gonna ask you
this charges I see where you're going, and that's why
I use that word conspiracy. But what are you think
it's lying under oath to Congress? I mean, do those
things get very political question very quickly?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well that's why I think, first of all, we should
have primetime hearings, because I think what you would see
is a lot of these guys and gals hauled in
front of Congress with a primetime audience watching. Would take
the Fifth Amendment, And let me just say this again,
there's two corridors here that you have to analyze. One
is legal and the other is political. It is the case,
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in my opinion, that it is very, very exceedingly rare
that someone takes the Fifth Amendment and has never done
a single thing wrong. I would sit down right now,
under deposition, under oath and answer every question completely honestly,
because I don't think I've ever committed a crime, and
I'm not worried about perjuring myself. If you take the
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Fifth Amendment, your lawyers are telling you, hey, you may
well have done something wrong, and if you answer this
question inappropriately, you may open yourself up to a perjury charge.
So it can be legally sound advice I've given clients advice. Hey,
I wouldn't answer that question. I would take the Fifth Amendment.
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I would avoid trying to answer that question if I
were you. From a legal perspective, it can be legally
sound advice to take the Fifth Amendment and simultaneously politically devastating.
So I think if all of these people get called
in front of Congress and they all raise their right
hand and say, under adviceive counsel, I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment, right,
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I think you put that together to your point buck
in a midterm and you say, hey, these are the
people that want to be back in positions of power,
and you just string together a series of highly influential
individuals taking the Fifth Amendment that is politically devastating. I
also think some of these people may be cocky enough
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to believe that they can work their way through the
testimony without lying, and then they're opening themselves up to
significant charges. I also think the pressure that is being
brought to bear, what do we say, pressure either burst
pipes or it creates diamonds. It's one of my favorite
coaching line. You ever ever heard that before?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That sounds like something an SEC football coach might have
said coaches.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
One of my favorite coach lines is pressure either burst
pipes or it makes diamonds. Right, So which are you
going to be? I think there's gonna be a lot
of burst pipes inside the Biden team. And I think
that there are Here's where I think the charges could work, Buck.
I think there are documents, maybe they're medical, maybe they
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are these signed the auto pen which could be a
significant aspect here, the guys not even signing his own pardons,
all these different things where people were aware that Biden
didn't have the mental and physical cognition to exercise the office,
and so they started doing it themselves, and some people
witnessed it. And I think, if you ratchet the pressure
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up enough, you're going to get people who are turning
on each other like rats off a ship and seeing
who can get to the life vote first.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm just seeing And this is what I was thinking
about a moment ago in our last segment, Clay, the
way that a constant theme in the Trump era has
been the Democrats accusing Trump and his supporters of doing
what they themselves do, especially when it comes to legal infractions. Right,
that this just happens over and over again, and one
(26:45):
thing that I could see is they've expanded and they've
put in the public lexicon. They've made people think about
collusion and conspiracy to deprive or defraud the American people
of an election, and by doing so, they've opened the
door to, well, what does it mean if you are
(27:05):
signing bills as the president and you're not the president?
That sounds like conspiracy to defraud the American people of
the executive branch of their government, which is a big.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Deal, and also sounds like it breaks the law to me.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So this is why, again, this is not just about
there's the ethics of this, there's the politics of this,
and then there's also the legality of this, which could
become very interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And remember a lot of times people don't get caught
on the initial misbehavior, it's the cover up. Nixon ended
up having to resign the presidency to a large extent,
not because of what he necessarily did associated with Watergate,
but because of the ham handed response that he provided
as the Watergate investigation continued, And of course you get
(27:56):
the very famous when did he know? And what did
he know?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And when did he know it?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Which was a I believe Howard Baker question that was
provided by his then counsel, Fred Thompson. Thompson ended up
being a Senator and Howard Baker was a Senator from Tennessee.
I think I got that right historically, but I think again,
if you ratchet up the pressure primetime hearings using the
precedent of January sixth, to your point, we poo pooed
(28:21):
and ridiculed the idea of the jan six hearings, I
think it kept Democrats from getting completely snowed under in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
It wasn't search twenty twenty two. They weren't.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
They weren't doing it for you, for me, for everybody
who's with us here. They were doing it for that
one or two percent of the swing electorate in those states,
and they pulled it off, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And abortion, the Roe v. Wade decision being overturned, I
think in May of twenty two certainly factored into and
it's already I mean, if you asked me for a
big prediction going forward, it's that abortion is not a
major national political issue and that Democrats are slowly coming
to grips with that. Because if if you care desperately
about abortion, go get active in your state because not
(29:03):
a federal issue anymore. I think this is one that
the Supreme Court got right, that a lot of the
toxicity surrounding the abortion debate was based on the fact
that nine Supreme Court justices decided what the law of
the land was there and now we got fifty state
legislatures and whatever you want to advocate for in your
respective state, go do it. That's the benefit of the
political process. And so I do think in twenty twenty six,
(29:28):
if you want Trump to maintain control of the House
of Representatives, otherwise they're going to impeach Trump. Nothing's getting passed.
It's why the first eighteen months of the Trump presidency
is so important, because while you have both controls of
the Senate and the House, you have to be superactive.
Maybe you can hold on to the House if you
persuade enough people. Man, these liars shouldn't be rewarded for
(29:51):
the lies that they told, and I think that could
be a potentially resonant story that moves voters in twenty
twenty six. And in the meantime, I think it's an
important historical record to demonstrate, Hey, we can't have I
don't know if you're up to date on the House
of the Dragon. But we can't have our own. This
(30:12):
happened a lot back in the day when there were
palace intrigue. We can't have basically a dead king and
everybody trying to run around and run the kingdom pretending
that the king is fine. It's the king Visara's situation
in House of the Dragon. Basically with Biden, I like
when you lean into your nerd side like that, you
know you don't I am up on House of the Dragon.
(30:33):
It got better. I don't know what percentage of people
watch House of the Dragon, but historically we got a dying,
doddering king and all of his pronouncements are treated as
important for the kingdom, even though he has no idea
what's going on. It's actually, sadly a very common story
about kings who got to rule for their entire lives. Inevitably,
(30:55):
many of them became unable to do the job, but
there was an entire pallas apparatus around them that wanted
to pretend they were still doing it. That was Biden.
Problem is, we've got a democratic republic and this shouldn't
be allowed to happen here, and it did, and there
should be consequences for it.
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Speaker 2 (32:47):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Let's take a lot of your call today. Let's take
a lot of your talkbacks.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Let's get you all into this conversation in real time.
So in the next hour we'll be diving into some
of that. And so line them up now, because we
got kind of a quick turn here. I do want
to talk about this story, clik, because I think this
is gonna get Unfortunately, I think this is gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We're gonna see.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
More of this where you have radical leftists who are
acting on at least in part, the pronouncements of prominent
Democrats that like, no, no real law enforcement officer would
cover his face. Radical leftists are attacking and trying to kill. Yeah,
attacking to kill. I'm not just talking about throwing bottles
(33:31):
of urine and you know that's just a Tuesday for
the radical left. Is assaulting law enforcement. I mean trying
to assassinate law enforcement. This actually happened a couple of
days ago, and I want to get into some of
the specifics of that story. There's actually two incidents, major
incidents of this, and as these enforcement operations from ICE
(33:52):
are growing and gathering, I think you're going to see. Unfortunately,
this is a lot of where the radical left is
going to consolidate their crazy and their violence. This is
going to be their thing because they're telling themselves that
ICE are members of the Gestapo, and that that and
people like Mayor Karen Bass give a lot of oxygen
to this madness by acting like these law enforcement officers
(34:15):
can't anyway, I'm getting ahead of where we're gonna go
here in a second. I do want to get into that.
All right, here we go podcast listener, John, this is
h H play it. Let's let's let's deal with this one, Claike,
play it.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Team. Hey, Clay, we have h longtime listener just heard
your opening segment. I gotta tell you none of this
matters anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
The midterms are cooked.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Republicans are going to lose a lot more than the
House if this Ebstein stuff doesn't get cleared up. Unless
there's trans true transparency about Epstein, everything else is just
a you know what show?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Okay, Okay, Well, you know it's funny because some of
the audience that's want to be clear, Clay, we're getting
heat from both sides there. You talk about the Epstein
cover up thing too much and then you don't talk
about it enough. So I don't know how we're supposed
to make Look. I think the age, you know, I
think the age here on the PR side of things
has made some missteps. Clay and I are of one
(35:18):
mind on uh Director bong Director Patel and deputy director
Bongino are patriots who are doing what they can with
what they have, and there will be more transparency on
a whole range of issues, and I think, including this one.
If needs be or if there's more information that needs
to come out, I would ask for patients, and I
(35:39):
would say, don't despair everybody. Okay, Trump is kicking ass.
The country's doing very well. I know this has been
a big frustration this week. I feel that frustration. Clay
feels that frustration. But there's it's not a time for despair.
There's more.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Look, I reiterate Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, think about
this as we go to break If they could serve
up someone's head on a platter with the Epstein evidence
that the FBI has, do you think they would not
do it? They would love to be able to do that.
(36:15):
The evidence is not there. Pam Bondy came out. I
think Pam Bondy has not spoken adroitly in the way
that she's addressed this, and I think she's confused a
lot of people, honestly. But she said yesterday, maybe we
need to play the audio. All of the evidence they
have is just child porn that Epstein downloaded. This is
important of other people, not him, Like it's just stuff
(36:37):
on the internet.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And there's a difference between The information they have to
work with now doesn't support charges against other people, and
there never was that information.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
A lot of it may have been destroyed.
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Oh my goodness,
maybe real panic in the Biden world, as the proverbial
crap may have hit.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The fan here.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I do think this is a really big story
that has just happened this morning that we are going
to dive into and explain what exactly is going on here.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
As if you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Don't already know, Joe Biden's doctor, his personal physician, his
White House chief health official for his own personal ability
and health was called before Congress. They're doing an investigation
into Joe Biden's mental and physical faculties and what now
(01:00):
is increasingly looking more and more like a cover up.
And this is a big deal, and I'm curious how
much attention it's going to get, but I think it
should get a massive amount of attention. And I want
to read from James Comer, who is heading up this committee,
and we have an invite out to Representative Comer to
(01:23):
come on the program and talk about this. This is
what he tweeted. President Joe Biden's physician, doctor Kevin O'Connor,
just pled the fifth at his deposition before Congress Today,
it's now clear there was a conspiracy to cover up
President Biden's cognitive decline after doctor Kevin O'Connor, Biden's physician
(01:44):
and family business associate, refused to answer any questions and
chose to hide behind the Fifth Amendment. The American people
demand transparency, but doctor O'Connor would rather conceal the truth.
Doctor O'Connor took the fifth when asked if he was
told to lie about President Biden's health and whether he
was fit to be president of the United States. Congress
(02:05):
must assess legislative solutions to prevent such a cover up
from happening again. We will continue to interview more Biden
White House aids to get the answers Americans deserve. Okay,
let me tell you what stands out to me in
a very significant way here. And this is me if
I were giving legal advice, you take the fifth when
(02:27):
you are afraid that it is going to be proven
that you have lied. You lie. I'm just saying this
is how it really works. You lie, which is what
I expected Biden's physician to do, when you think you
can get away with the lie, and there is no
one that is going to be able to hold you
accountable for it. Now, I'm not saying people are like, oh,
(02:49):
you should never lie. I understand, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
In general, Clay is not just to be clear, okay,
as Consolieri, he's not supporting perjury. He's not telling anybody
to try to gain the system. He's just saying, strategically,
this is what people do.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is how this works. If you think you can
get away with a lie in this situation, if they say, hey,
what did you think about Joe Biden, then you just say, hey,
you know he was one hundred percent healthy, and and
or if you actually believe it to be fair, because
you could just say, well, he was one hundred percent healthy,
there was never any issues at all, and I was
(03:24):
thoroughly confident that he could do the job. Here's what
I think is going on, Buck, I think one of
two things is about to happen, and it's going to
become a five alarm fire inside of the Biden health
cover up. One, there is somebody who's gonna flip, and
they may be working on this right now, and they
may have somebody inside of the Biden team that is
(03:48):
on the verge of flipping and just being the Canary
and singing like crazy about all of the conspiracy that
actually took place, what he or she saw, what actually
took place, what we all know was occurring. It may
be about to become public in a way that makes
people say, oh my goodness. Two, there may be documents
(04:10):
associated with Joe Biden's health that prove I know that
they had the cancer diagnosis, and we all discussed what
that might represent. But there may be documents health related
that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that any
physician knew that Biden was not mentally and physically capable
(04:32):
to be president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so it could be both.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think that this investigation is jostling a lot of people.
And I think his counsel said because previously, remember what
he said publicly is Joe Biden was hail and hardy.
He had the job to be He could be president
for another twenty years. You know all these lies that
we know are lies. That's what he said publicly. But
(04:57):
as soon as he has to raise that right hand,
why would he take the fifth He is afraid. Maybe
he's even negotiating to potentially be a witness in this
larger criminal inquiry. I think this is accelerating and this
is the signs of what's going on.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Let's take a step back here at what this really means, Clay.
The cleanup on ale Biden is possibly going to create
even more problems because remember, and this was the whole Tapper.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Book and the whole oh we didn't know, we didn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And they're hoping that that now becomes the story. And
we've sat here the whole time saying the commander in chief,
the most powerful person in the world for four years,
obviously had dementia. They were hiding it, and they knew it.
And they have finally come out and said, you know what,
you were right guys. Now that they lost the election,
now that Kamala's political future is done, by the way, done,
(05:52):
and people just think Comma's gonna run no chance. Now
that that's all the case, they're willing to say we
missed this. No, they didn't miss it, and they were
hoping to create that narrative because you can move on
from that. I don't think you can move on. And
people are saying, why are you guys still talking about this?
Are you kidding me? It matters hugely, hugely if the
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people running the government, the actual individuals who in some
cases maybe were even signing bills and doing things in
Biden's name without his knowledge, were conspiring and that's an
important word here, conspiring to hide that fact from the
American people. Let's keep in mind, Clay, some of the
charges that they were trying to bring against Trump with
(06:36):
regard to the twenty twenty election had to do with
deprivation of civil rights. Remember how creative they're going, because
if you were depriving people of a fair election, you
were depriving them of a Now, put aside whether you
think that that's a little too much legal hocus pocus,
look at what it would mean if Biden's doctor and
(06:58):
people around. Now the doctor can say I had a
legal obligation and he does to keep it private, like
he couldn't go forward with that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But I think the doctor knows that there are other.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
People who knew, like maybe the top White House advisors
who knew, and they chose, they chose the conspiracy of silence.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, and also, this is where it gets interesting. You
can argue, hey, my patient's private health is not for
public discussion. He's entitled to that. His family might be
entitled to that. Here's the problem. A lot of people
had access to the reports that he was writing, and
I think what likely was occurring was top Biden officials.
(07:42):
This is why I read and have finished original sin.
There was a cadre the Pollit Bureau, as it were,
about five top advisors for Biden shielded him from everyone else.
And I think that group was sitting down with the
doctor and saying, here's what we're going to say publicly.
I think this was a conspiracy. I think it was criminal,
(08:04):
and I think they're starting to be fear that there
may be criminal charges brought against this. And here's what
I would say, and I've said this before on the program,
but I would echo it now because I think it's
even truer because I was stunned that he didn't just
try to lie his way through it candidly. This morning
when I woke up and I saw this news coming down,
I think there should be public primetime hearings about this
(08:27):
in the same way that they did jan six, because
there's a precedent on this in August when there's not
very much on television. Do these make ABC, nbccbs CNN,
MSNBC covered this as a part of their broadcast license
obligations and the precedent. They said on January sixth, bring
every one of these top advisors in front of Congress
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and grill them under oath.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Now you could say, Clay, there are two I agree.
I think that's I think that's absolutely the move. There
are two ways to look at this or look at
why should happen. One is, and we'll start with it.
It's the ethical right thing to do. The American people
have a right to know and that if this was done,
we need this to be out there because we are
(09:12):
a republic and we are a political entity where the
knowledge of the population matters for the leadership.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
In the future of it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Okay, And now maybe that sounds a little too much
like I'm giving a you know, third grade civic speech
for some people. Okay, fine, Well I want to talk
about you know, Epstein, or I want to talk about
something else. Okay, Well, hold on a second. Remember what
happened to the midterms. To your point, they ran all
these hearings. Now, I know there were different reasons for it,
but defensive democracy was seen as a primary reason in
(09:42):
the key races that things just went against Republicans you know,
if you looked at the data defensive democracy, they say
it like that, Clay, I think going into the Trump
midterms here, when there's a little bit of an expectation,
Oh no, they might take back the House and then
they'll stye me everything. Hold on a second, Let's let
all of the American people know that the Democrat Party
(10:04):
at the very top level that had been lecturing us
about our sacred democracy and our wonderful institutions that Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Was trampling on.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Let's let them know that they were hiding a vegetable
president from the American public and in the White House
day in and day out, and they were making decisions,
and they were signing bills, and they were making decisions
about life and death, with operations abroad and covert actions
and pardons and all of this with a vegetable sputtering
(10:34):
around the White House. I think people should know the
full details. Politically, that could have a real impact if
you don't care about the ethics of it. Yeah, and
also I think the precedent that it sets in the
years ahead. I think if you shame these individuals who
covered up Joe Biden and potentially criminally charged them and
embarrassed them publicly. I think there may be in the
(10:57):
back of the mind of advisors going.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Forward, I don't work for this president. I work for
the American people, and that distinction sometimes can be difficult.
But everyone who covered up for Joe Biden wasn't working
for the American public. They were working for Joe Biden.
And worst of all, they were working for themselves. In
original Sin, there's a good line Buck. I hadn't heard
(11:19):
it before, and I'm paraphrasing it here, but one of
the quotes is, no one quits when it's the first
line of their obituary. No one quits a job that's
the first line of their obituary. Because they just kept saying,
why were all these guys in gals surrounding Biden protecting him?
(11:40):
Because this was the apex of their career too. It
wasn't just that Joe Biden was president. It was that
they were chief of staff or chief of politics. Their
connection to his power was paramount, And no one quits.
Think about that line. It's a really good line. I
hadn't heard it before. No one quits the Joe. That's
(12:00):
the first line of their resume. And I may not
be synthesizing it perfectly. But that basically is the idea.
And I think that's what we saw with Biden and
I again, no one takes me say this, No one
takes the fifth who isn't concerned about what's coming next.
You always take the fifth as a prelude to something
(12:22):
else that isn't public yet that you're afraid is coming
down the tracks after you.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, it's one of the funniest things. You could run this.
You could run this tape all day with these different Democrats.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Now we're going to.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Say, in this case Clay, pleading the fifth means nothing,
not an admission of guilts. When it's a Republican, when
it's Trump, anybody around Trump who wanted to plead the fifth,
of course, it's an admission of guilt. So there's no
real principle that they apply.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
To this at all.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I will also point this out. This is what we
talked about a lot with Trump. They're simultaneously the legal
and the political, and something can be very smart legally
and awful politically. And Trump, I thought, was a masterclass
on how to balance out the legal and political because
they tried to put him in prison and bankrupt him
and that was basically the undercurrent of his entire campaign
(13:08):
in twenty twenty four, and he did a lot of
things that lawyers would say, I'd prefer you not.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Do that here.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This could be smart legally and devastating politically. Did we
talk on the air, because this is one of the
most interesting things you said to me off the air
about what's in the book that you've read, which, now, whatever,
Clay's going to give me his copy, So I'm not
going to give any money. Yes, next time you read
the original Sin book over July fourth on the beach,
I finished it.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yes, so so he's gonna give me his copy. I'm
not going to give them any money. But Clay, did
we talk about how Biden felt about the prospect of
Trump going to prison on the show?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I can't remember if we did. I can't remember if
we said that on or off air. Conversations continue about Yeah,
got into that.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, let's let's get into that in a moment, because
I also think that is really important for everyone to know,
especially given the now revelations about what looks more like
a conspiracy instead of the Democrats are just so dumb
they can't tell when someone has you know, brain problems.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
We should dive into that a little bit. Yeah, no doubt.
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I just found this fascinating and I'm not trying to
help sell any copies of this book. Like I said,
go to your local library you know, borrow their copy
and pass it around to friends of what's it called
Original Sin. But Clay, I thought this was because I've
been on this crusade for a long time that everyone
needs to know the notion of old man Biden as
like a cuddly figure a grandpa, as a good guy.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Maybe a disagree with them politically, he is a good guy.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
There's plenty of reason that I have been saying, talking
about how he lied about how you know, the guy
responsible for his wife's death was drunk, stuff like that.
Biden's jerk, not a good guy. Trump is actually fundamentally
a good guy. Biden is not tell everybody about what
Biden in the book thought about Trump going to prison.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
He was bragging about the fact, according to Original Sin,
that he wanted Trump to go to prison and that
they believed that all of the charges were going to
completely destroy Trump's ability to be able to run in
twenty twenty four as a viable candidate. I mean just bragging, laughing,
joking about it privately. And what emerges is and again,
(17:15):
I think the number of conspiracies that are true inside
of the White House, the health cover up of Biden.
But I mean We've said this for a long time.
The idea that all of these charges that were brought
in Georgia, Florida, DC, and New York were not being
organized by the Biden White House is a complete lie.
They had their fingerprints over all of this. They were
manipulating at all.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Vegetable Biden was trying to lock Trump up for the
rest of his life. He was actually trying to do it.
It wasn't just a political maneuver. Everybody that's big.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's totally The evidence that comes out of that book,
and some of the stuff that wasn't reported is some
of the most interesting.
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Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, we're talking about Biden's
doctor pleading the fifth There also is reports. I think
we hinted at it yesterday, but I don't know that
we actually dove into it, which was that someone got
(19:13):
Joe Biden's cell phone number in March who is writing
a report on I think they've got a book coming
out about the twenty twenty four election, and they called Biden,
and Biden's aides panicked that he now had a cell phone.
He fumbled around in answer. The guy who was calling
(19:38):
the reporter. This is according to Axios, got just absolutely
reprimanded by everyone surrounding Biden. He left a voicemail. Within
two days they had completely shut down the cell phone.
And so this is and just so you guys know,
and I think a lot of you do know. Trump
(19:59):
had a personal cell phone and will answer and talk
to media all the time and governors. I've witnessed him
during when I interviewed him on Air Force one, he
paused the interview to pick up his phone and answer it. Buck,
You and I have seen him just pause conversations, pick
up his phone and answer. It's a governor, it's a
political figure, it's a reporter. But think about the cover
(20:24):
ups still going on of Biden that his aids, even
now when he's not in the White House, are petrified
when he answers the phone about what he might be
saying to a reporter. And again, I think it speaks
to not what's directly in front of us. But I
think they're afraid of charges coming for the cover up
(20:45):
surrounding Biden. I think they're aware that there is going
to be somebody's gonna flip. There is somebody who is
going to come forward and tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I have two things One about the charges which I'll
pose to you, in a second. But but before that,
I also think Clay, that there's a damage control mode
for these to your point about the first line of
the resume or the way that your curriculum VITE reads
after or CV after you've you've left one of these jobs.
(21:18):
They all think the point of being the deputy something
or other in a white House for most people is
to become the actual top guy or the or to
get the next job up on the ladder. I mean
a lot of people who not for everybody in the
Trump administration, I don't think that's the case. I think
there are a lot of people who have come in
and are doing this because they want to do this
(21:39):
and they want to serve. They're not Oh, if I'm
like deputy CIA director, next year I get to be
you know, the act or next time around, I get
the actual director.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I'm saying this just because I think that there's concern
that anybody in the Biden orbit in any meaningful way
is done. You know, they're politically toxic going forward, and
that may not seem like a big thing to a
lot of a lot of us sitting around, except this
is their lot, this is what they do. This is
how they've they've devoted their professional lives to this, and
(22:11):
proximity to power is everything. That's actually one of the
only secretly I really do like DC as a city.
I know, I get yelled at for this all that,
can I say you like it? DC's great a lot. Yeah, yeah,
we both like DC. And I know that you're groaning.
I can hear. I can feel your groans all across America.
But it's actually got a lot of good things going
for it. The part of it other than the fact
(22:33):
that it's ninety six percent Democrat, so it's obviously run
like an insane asylum. But the other thing about it
just culturally is everything's about proximity to power. There if
you're paying attention to that, you know, or if you're
picking up on it, and it just gets tiresome and
it's gross.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
These people in Biden's orbit are never going to be
in the proximity of power again if it comes out
that they were part of the you know, picking up
the apple sauce off the ground that Biden was dribbling
out the.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Corner of his mouth. Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
The other thing though, is I was gonna ask you
this charges I see where you're going, and that's why
I use that word conspiracy. But what are you think
it's lying under oath to Congress? I mean, do those
things get very political question very quickly?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well that's why I think, first of all, we should
have primetime hearings, because I think what you would see
is a lot of these guys and gals hauled in
front of Congress with a primetime audience watching. Would take
the Fifth Amendment, And let me just say this again,
there's two corridors here that you have to analyze. One
is legal and the other is political. It is the case,
(23:39):
in my opinion, that it is very, very exceedingly rare
that someone takes the Fifth Amendment and has never done
a single thing wrong. I would sit down right now,
under deposition, under oath and answer every question completely honestly,
because I don't think I've ever committed a crime, and
I'm not worried about perjuring myself. If you take the
(24:03):
Fifth Amendment, your lawyers are telling you, hey, you may
well have done something wrong, and if you answer this
question inappropriately, you may open yourself up to a perjury charge.
So it can be legally sound advice I've given clients advice. Hey,
I wouldn't answer that question. I would take the Fifth Amendment.
(24:23):
I would avoid trying to answer that question if I
were you. From a legal perspective, it can be legally
sound advice to take the Fifth Amendment and simultaneously politically devastating.
So I think if all of these people get called
in front of Congress and they all raise their right
hand and say, under adviceive counsel, I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment, right,
(24:44):
I think you put that together to your point buck
in a midterm and you say, hey, these are the
people that want to be back in positions of power,
and you just string together a series of highly influential
individuals taking the Fifth Amendment that is politically devastating. I
also think some of these people may be cocky enough
(25:05):
to believe that they can work their way through the
testimony without lying, and then they're opening themselves up to
significant charges. I also think the pressure that is being
brought to bear, what do we say, pressure either burst
pipes or it creates diamonds. It's one of my favorite
coaching line. You ever ever heard that before?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That sounds like something an SEC football coach might have
said coaches.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
One of my favorite coach lines is pressure either burst
pipes or it makes diamonds. Right, So which are you
going to be? I think there's gonna be a lot
of burst pipes inside the Biden team. And I think
that there are Here's where I think the charges could work, Buck.
I think there are documents, maybe they're medical, maybe they
(25:49):
are these signed the auto pen which could be a
significant aspect here, the guys not even signing his own pardons,
all these different things where people were aware that Biden
didn't have the mental and physical cognition to exercise the office,
and so they started doing it themselves, and some people
witnessed it. And I think, if you ratchet the pressure
(26:10):
up enough, you're going to get people who are turning
on each other like rats off a ship and seeing
who can get to the life vote first.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm just seeing And this is what I was thinking
about a moment ago in our last segment, Clay, the
way that a constant theme in the Trump era has
been the Democrats accusing Trump and his supporters of doing
what they themselves do, especially when it comes to legal infractions. Right,
that this just happens over and over again, and one
(26:45):
thing that I could see is they've expanded and they've
put in the public lexicon. They've made people think about
collusion and conspiracy to deprive or defraud the American people
of an election, and by doing so, they've opened the
door to, well, what does it mean if you are
(27:05):
signing bills as the president and you're not the president?
That sounds like conspiracy to defraud the American people of
the executive branch of their government, which is a big.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Deal, and also sounds like it breaks the law to me.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So this is why, again, this is not just about
there's the ethics of this, there's the politics of this,
and then there's also the legality of this, which could
become very interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And remember a lot of times people don't get caught
on the initial misbehavior, it's the cover up. Nixon ended
up having to resign the presidency to a large extent,
not because of what he necessarily did associated with Watergate,
but because of the ham handed response that he provided
as the Watergate investigation continued, And of course you get
(27:56):
the very famous when did he know? And what did
he know?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And when did he know it?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Which was a I believe Howard Baker question that was
provided by his then counsel, Fred Thompson. Thompson ended up
being a Senator and Howard Baker was a Senator from Tennessee.
I think I got that right historically, but I think again,
if you ratchet up the pressure primetime hearings using the
precedent of January sixth, to your point, we poo pooed
(28:21):
and ridiculed the idea of the jan six hearings, I
think it kept Democrats from getting completely snowed under in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
It wasn't search twenty twenty two. They weren't.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
They weren't doing it for you, for me, for everybody
who's with us here. They were doing it for that
one or two percent of the swing electorate in those states,
and they pulled it off, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And abortion, the Roe v. Wade decision being overturned, I
think in May of twenty two certainly factored into and
it's already I mean, if you asked me for a
big prediction going forward, it's that abortion is not a
major national political issue and that Democrats are slowly coming
to grips with that. Because if if you care desperately
about abortion, go get active in your state because not
(29:03):
a federal issue anymore. I think this is one that
the Supreme Court got right, that a lot of the
toxicity surrounding the abortion debate was based on the fact
that nine Supreme Court justices decided what the law of
the land was there and now we got fifty state
legislatures and whatever you want to advocate for in your
respective state, go do it. That's the benefit of the
political process. And so I do think in twenty twenty six,
(29:28):
if you want Trump to maintain control of the House
of Representatives, otherwise they're going to impeach Trump. Nothing's getting passed.
It's why the first eighteen months of the Trump presidency
is so important, because while you have both controls of
the Senate and the House, you have to be superactive.
Maybe you can hold on to the House if you
persuade enough people. Man, these liars shouldn't be rewarded for
(29:51):
the lies that they told, and I think that could
be a potentially resonant story that moves voters in twenty
twenty six. And in the meantime, I think it's an
important historical record to demonstrate, Hey, we can't have I
don't know if you're up to date on the House
of the Dragon. But we can't have our own. This
(30:12):
happened a lot back in the day when there were
palace intrigue. We can't have basically a dead king and
everybody trying to run around and run the kingdom pretending
that the king is fine. It's the king Visara's situation
in House of the Dragon. Basically with Biden, I like
when you lean into your nerd side like that, you
know you don't I am up on House of the Dragon.
(30:33):
It got better. I don't know what percentage of people
watch House of the Dragon, but historically we got a dying,
doddering king and all of his pronouncements are treated as
important for the kingdom, even though he has no idea
what's going on. It's actually, sadly a very common story
about kings who got to rule for their entire lives. Inevitably,
(30:55):
many of them became unable to do the job, but
there was an entire pallas apparatus around them that wanted
to pretend they were still doing it. That was Biden.
Problem is, we've got a democratic republic and this shouldn't
be allowed to happen here, and it did, and there
should be consequences for it.
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Speaker 2 (32:47):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Let's take a lot of your call today. Let's take
a lot of your talkbacks.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Let's get you all into this conversation in real time.
So in the next hour we'll be diving into some
of that. And so line them up now, because we
got kind of a quick turn here. I do want
to talk about this story, clik, because I think this
is gonna get Unfortunately, I think this is gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We're gonna see.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
More of this where you have radical leftists who are
acting on at least in part, the pronouncements of prominent
Democrats that like, no, no real law enforcement officer would
cover his face. Radical leftists are attacking and trying to kill. Yeah,
attacking to kill. I'm not just talking about throwing bottles
(33:31):
of urine and you know that's just a Tuesday for
the radical left. Is assaulting law enforcement. I mean trying
to assassinate law enforcement. This actually happened a couple of
days ago, and I want to get into some of
the specifics of that story. There's actually two incidents, major
incidents of this, and as these enforcement operations from ICE
(33:52):
are growing and gathering, I think you're going to see. Unfortunately,
this is a lot of where the radical left is
going to consolidate their crazy and their violence. This is
going to be their thing because they're telling themselves that
ICE are members of the Gestapo, and that that and
people like Mayor Karen Bass give a lot of oxygen
to this madness by acting like these law enforcement officers
(34:15):
can't anyway, I'm getting ahead of where we're gonna go
here in a second. I do want to get into that.
All right, here we go podcast listener, John, this is
h H play it. Let's let's let's deal with this one, Claike,
play it.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Team. Hey, Clay, we have h longtime listener just heard
your opening segment. I gotta tell you none of this
matters anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
The midterms are cooked.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Republicans are going to lose a lot more than the
House if this Ebstein stuff doesn't get cleared up. Unless
there's trans true transparency about Epstein, everything else is just
a you know what show?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Okay, Okay, Well, you know it's funny because some of
the audience that's want to be clear, Clay, we're getting
heat from both sides there. You talk about the Epstein
cover up thing too much and then you don't talk
about it enough. So I don't know how we're supposed
to make Look. I think the age, you know, I
think the age here on the PR side of things
has made some missteps. Clay and I are of one
(35:18):
mind on uh Director bong Director Patel and deputy director
Bongino are patriots who are doing what they can with
what they have, and there will be more transparency on
a whole range of issues, and I think, including this one.
If needs be or if there's more information that needs
to come out, I would ask for patients, and I
(35:39):
would say, don't despair everybody. Okay, Trump is kicking ass.
The country's doing very well. I know this has been
a big frustration this week. I feel that frustration. Clay
feels that frustration. But there's it's not a time for despair.
There's more.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Look, I reiterate Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, think about
this as we go to break If they could serve
up someone's head on a platter with the Epstein evidence
that the FBI has, do you think they would not
do it? They would love to be able to do that.
(36:15):
The evidence is not there. Pam Bondy came out. I
think Pam Bondy has not spoken adroitly in the way
that she's addressed this, and I think she's confused a
lot of people, honestly. But she said yesterday, maybe we
need to play the audio. All of the evidence they
have is just child porn that Epstein downloaded. This is
important of other people, not him, Like it's just stuff
(36:37):
on the internet.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And there's a difference between The information they have to
work with now doesn't support charges against other people, and
there never was that information.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
A lot of it may have been destroyed.
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