July 11, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a powerful and wide-ranging discussion centered on the one-year anniversary of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. They reflect on the near-tragedy’s historical significance, the systemic failures of the Secret Service, and the profound political and psychological impact it could have had on the nation. The conversation explores “what-if” scenarios, including the potential elevation of Ron DeSantis as the GOP nominee and the broader implications for the 2024 election. The hosts emphasize how the event galvanized support for Trump, even influencing high-profile figures like Elon Musk to publicly back him.
The hour also dives into the ongoing fallout from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, highlighting a breaking Axios report detailing a heated internal clash between FBI Deputy Director Dan Bonino and Attorney General Pam Bondi. The dispute centers on the mishandling of Epstein-related files and a controversial video lapse during Epstein’s jail cell suicide. The hosts analyze the bureaucratic infighting, speculate on potential resignations, and underscore the need for transparency and accountability within the Trump administration.
Adding to the intrigue, Alan Dershowitz asserts that key Epstein documents are being suppressed to protect powerful individuals—an explosive claim that fuels public skepticism and demands for full disclosure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Congratulations,
you made it to Friday. You're about to be able
to roll into the weekend and we are going to
have some fun with all of you. Let me give
you a little bit of an idea where we're headed.
Marty McCarey, who is now the head of the FDA,
will be with us at the top of the next hour.
(00:23):
He has obviously been doing a ton of things and
was right on everything COVID, one of the few doctors
who was and I do think that slid a little
bit under the radar given all the other appointments, but
the Trump team has been zealous when it comes to
promoting people who did not favor lockdowns in all of
(00:47):
the COVID related insanity that took over our country about
five years ago. So doctor Martin McCay, ahead of the FDA,
will be with us top the next hour. Top of
the third hour, that is the final hour of the week,
we will talk with Nicole Parker, former FBI agent. She
was listening to the show and she was reacting to
a lot of the Epstein revelation. She was working in
(01:08):
South Florida when really I think Buck and we'll talk
with this some about her, but she was texting us
the initial investigation that took place with Acosta and led
to a sweetheart prosecution deal and resolution of the charges
in South Florida, to me, is probably the part of
(01:31):
the Epstein story that still deserves to be the most examined.
So we will talk with her about that in the
third hour. But I wanted to open and we'll talk
about the ice ray that happened in California and the
discovery of underage children that were being used to work there,
and some of the dark, seedy underbelly of the illegal
(01:53):
immigrant experience. But I wanted to begin with this because
on Sunday will be officially the one year anniversary of
the near assassination of Donald Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania. And
they came out with news yesterday. I believe that six
different Secret Service officers had been disciplined for the failures.
(02:17):
I think it's fair to say, basically all systems failure
that occurred in Butler, Pennsylvania, almost one year ago. Today
it was a Saturday, for those of you who remember,
and Monday was the first day of the Republican National
Convention from Milwaukee, and Trump came within a quarter inch
of having his head blown off on live television. And
(02:39):
we talked with Selena Selena Zito, who's got her book
out about Butler Pennsylvania. I've been reading about that. We
talked with her earlier this week. And the extent to
which that is an historic event, I think it's going
to continue to echo and reverberate. But Trump is talking
(03:00):
about that with special interviews that he is doing, including
with his daughter in law, Laura Trump, And we have
a cut from that that we would like to play
for all of you because it is only by the
grace of God if you think about where we were
one year ago today and how different this country would
(03:23):
look if that assassination attempt had been successful. Here is
Trump talking about that with Laura cut.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, it was unforgettable and no exactly what was going on.
I got whack, There's no question about that, and fortunately
got down quickly and people were screaming, and I got
down quickly for chunly because I think they shod eight
bullets and one got me, and one got another one,
and one got another one and one killed Corey the firefighter,
(03:50):
great guy. And we had a tremendous, massive crown. Tens
of thousands of people were there, and the hour sniper,
within less than five seconds, was able to get him
from a long distance with one shot. If he didn't
do that, you would have had an even worse situation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I do think Buck, sometimes you get lost. All
of us do in the day to day, twenty four
hour news cycle, and the question is what is this
going to still matter in a day? Is this going
to still matter in two days? A prediction this day
July thirteenth, and what happened on that day in President
(04:29):
Trump's response on that day. I think one in the election,
people forget that Elon Musk voted against Trump in twenty sixteen,
he voted for Hillary Clinton, he voted for Joe Biden
in twenty twenty. It wasn't until July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
and I saw one of your tweets about this when
Elon Musk got off the bench and suddenly said, for
(04:51):
the first time, I'm with Trump and people out there
listening to us right now. Some of you voted Trump
in sixteen, some of you voted Trump into twenty, some
of you voted Trump in twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Four almost all of them play almost all of them
voted Trump in sixteen, twenty and twenty four.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But yes, I'm not even in the primary in sixteen.
Like people came on the Trump train talk in general election, Yeah,
people came on the Trump train at different times. Elon
Musk was one of the last joiners of the Trump train,
and Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, guys who would otherwise been
I would say, opposed to Trump quite quite honestly, saw
(05:31):
that video and I think it changed something I really do.
For American men, I think that way. I know a
lot of women too, but for American men, I think
that was such a badass moment that it fundamentally altered
the trajectory of the nation in a way few events.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Do well think about. If you were to do a
historical what if and a list of the biggest historical
what ifs, I think it was a long time ago
Winston Churchill did a whole what if this would be
right your Alley Clay Historically speaking, what if General Lee
had won at Gettysburg? Right, what would America and the
(06:08):
world have looked like had the South actually won that war?
Now that's a very big what if. In so far
as it would have been a whole battle going in
a different trajectory. This is a historical what if what
happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. That was truly a matter of
you could just say an inch one inch different in
that projectile, and we're living in a different America right now,
(06:31):
one inch different in that five five, six rounds trajectory,
and you would have had I can't I can't recall
has there ever been and sorry, this is just something
I haven't thought about. So there might be an obvious answer.
A presidential assassination of a sorry, a presidential assassination in
this country during the campaign. I know there have been
(06:52):
assassinations obviously in McKinley or FK R RFK RF nineteen
sixty eight. But to your point, RFK had not yet
become the Democrat nominee. It looked like he.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Was going to be the nominee. Well, so he wasn't
actually the nominee necessary Trump? Yeah, right, Trump had the
nomination locked up. And again remember he was going to
accept it the next week.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And uh, well, this is what I mean about, because
now you're now you're talking about a historical situation where
God forbid and as we know, Trump is fine, and
it was all he was. Okay, it was a terrible day,
not just for the country politically and psychologically. But you know, Corey,
uh contemporarily pardon me in the last name, I'm not
able to say it, but the guy who got killed
(07:34):
that day competory is that? I think that's right? Yeah, comparatory. Uh,
but you know, he lost his life that day to
that shooter. And you sit here and you say how
different things would have been, because you would have had
a country that wouldn't have accepted the eventual result based
on the fact that our candidate would have been stolen
(07:54):
from us by a bullet, you know, And it's even
it's that would have been even more of a psychic
shock than and as you said, RFK okay, that's in
a primary. But was he going to be the candidate
or not? Obviously a terrible situation, a political assassination. And
Trump isn't just wasn't just the candidate. Trump is a
is a political movement unto himself, was reshape the Republican
(08:15):
Party in the twenty first century, the most consequential president
probably of our lifetime. You'd certainly have to go back
to Reagan, or maybe you could say Obama's consequential and
destroying the country. But that would have been an enormous
change in the world and certainly in the America that
we live in today. And I remember we're we're at
the RNC. There was a feeling of surrealism with so
(08:37):
we're just gonna have this RNC now, and yeah, process
the fact that we almost lost our guy, we almost
lost our president.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I think they are both short and long term implications
that are difficult to even comprehend. And I think it's
important to go back and think how fortunate we all
are with the way that turned out. A couple of
things here. One, Trump had not picked jd. Vance, So
it's not only just that he would have been killed.
They would have the RNC chair said they would have
(09:06):
canceled the RNC, so it would no one would have
gone to Milwaukee. There would have been a prolonged period
of mourning of some sort. There also would have been
a lot of glee, sadly on the left that somebody
killed terrifically. Yes, yeah, there There would have then had
to be a new individual selected as the nominee. And remember,
there would not have been a VP selection at that
(09:29):
point in time, And honestly, one reason jd Vance got picked,
I think was because Trump wanted somebody who was stiff
in the spine maga in the event that somebody else
killed him, which doesn't get talked about very much. Here's
the other thing, Buck, we still know nothing about the assassin.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I know the shooter.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know nobody would be assassin. Nobody would have ever
believed and for the next for the rest of everyone
listening's life and for the next two hundred years, much
like with JFK's assassination, people would have said, this wasn't
a lone gunman. There's no way this ended up happening.
(10:08):
The fix was in. The government killed Trump. Here's the
other question. Does Biden still run? Do they elevate Kamala?
If the Republicans are scrambling to try to find a
new candidate, who is that candidate? I think it would
have been Rondasantis. That's my analysis of the Tea leaves.
But it would have been a huge mess, the likes
(10:32):
of which the country would never have recovered from. To
say nothing, Buck, think about this. What about the president
getting his head blown off on live television? And the
psychic trauma that that creates for hundreds of millions of
people seeing that happen.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You couldn't have had a fair election afterwards. Correct, There's
no such thing as a fair election when you have
somebody like Trump, who is a former president, who is
the leader of his party, and as I said, is
a one man political movement who has reshaped the landscape
politically of this country already against some other candidate. Like,
(11:07):
there's no there's no way that you would be able
to convince Trump voters in the event that that terrible
thing had happened, in the event that it had been
an assassination, that this election is legit. And then what
does that do to the country? Right? How do you
go forward when there's a very real sense that a
(11:29):
fair election was completely stolen from the country but through violence,
mind you, through through yeah, the worst kind of of
violence politically. So you know, this is one thing, and
I want to give I think it was Fisher King,
who is a Twitter account? Do you follow Fisher King?
I don't even know this guy is. He's very He's
got a very interesting account on x very. You know
(11:50):
a lot of you know, I'm not endorsing everything he's
written ever to say, the guy writes some good, some
smart stuff. And while people have been very upset recently,
and I understand, and I don't want to get into
it right now, and I do agree that there are
a lot of problems and unanswered questions, and there's whiplash
and all this people have been so upset about. Epstein
Kamala could have won that election, everybody, and then we'd
(12:13):
be in a country And he pointed this out on
X which is what's making me think of this. We're
just talking about in the context of what if that
assassination attempt had been successful, but just even think about
how different the country would be if just the election
result had gone in a different direction. We're now sitting
here and rightly so, pushing Trump for the best possible
decisions and the most transparency and all of that we
(12:34):
can get. We could have been in a situation where
all the stuff that we've already seen in six months
was going in the other direction, where the border was
still wide open, where I mean, just go down the list.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, I mean that's why I woke up this morning
and I saw that interview, and I just was thinking
how profoundly grateful all of us should be. And I
hope you take a moment to just think about it.
What would have happened if that bullet had been one
quarter inch closer to Trump and had killed him on
that day. We're in an incredible place right now, I
(13:07):
think is a country doesn't mean everything's perfect, doesn't mean
you're gonna agree with everything that's being done. There's always
room for improvement all of that. But I think a
lot of times in the day to day we don't
pause and think, hey, let's just look back a year. Man,
what an incredible year that has been, and how grateful
for those of us who are out there listening. We
(13:28):
all should be compared to where we could be. I'll
just say catastrophism and negativity. It's always the easy way.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
It's always the easy way to get attention, always the
easy way to bring people into your sphere of influence.
Everything is falling apart all everything is terrible. We have challenges,
there's some stuff that needs to be fixed. We're focused
on that. We you know, we want accountability, we want
more wins. We are not tired of winning. But the
(13:59):
mood of the country overall right now, and this is
where I think, Clay, we bring it all full circle.
The mood of the country one year from where we
were possibly on that day in Butler should be one
of tremendous thanks to God and tremendous blessings for America
that we are receiving. And I know it's imperfect and
it always will be. And I understand there's a particular
(14:21):
amount of frustration right now, but could have been a
lot worse, everybody, And you know that's not that you know,
that's not somewhat about ism. It almost was. It was
one inch away from being a very different country in
a much much darker place than we ever could have imagined.
So we are allowed to feel blessed. And I thought
this fourth of July, I think there was there were
(14:42):
a lot of people who truly were celebrating on Independence
Day weekend because the country's in a good spot right now. Overall.
It is I know people can yell at me, it
actually is in a good place right now relative to
what could have been and relative to what the options were.
We're we're seeing some really positive developments happen, and you
should take stock of that as well. Otherwise you just
(15:04):
exhaust yourself with the with the constant sense that nothing changes,
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Speaker 3 (16:24):
Oh boy, you know how I was just talking about
optimism and how things are okay to the country. That's true.
There are still some things where there's a lot of tension,
of course, and Axios with the scoop here, Clay on
the clear feeling that there was a there has been
a blunder, at a minimum of blunder. Some people say
(16:44):
worse than a blunder. That's that's we'll put that aside
for now. This whole Epstein file release thing is a
mess and has overshadowed a lot else, a lot else
that was going on this week, as we've discussed, and
now it's you know, Clay, you should bring us into
the details of this Axios piece here that just went
went over the transom moments ago, because it's looking like
(17:08):
this is the part of this is the part of
the Apprentice where someone gets told you fi it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
When we come back again, this dropped in the last
ten minutes, Axios reporting that there was a super heated
meeting between Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, and A. G. Pam
Bondi in the White House, very small group, but very
high level meeting, and things got incredibly heated over who's
(17:36):
to blame for communication related issues surrounding the Epstein investigation.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, welcome back in Clay, Ravis buck Sexton show breaking
News from Axios. And I'm gonna lay this out Buck
and I will tell you what we think and analyze this.
And I'm going to read from some of this report.
And this has to do with the fallout of the
Epstein investigation. And the headline is FBI's Dan Bongino clashes
(19:22):
with ag Bondi over handling of Epstein files. And I'm
going to read the opening paragraph. FBI Director Deputy Director
Dan Bongino took a day off from work Friday after
clashing at the White House with Attorney General Pam Bondi
over the handling of the Epstein files. Four sources familiar
(19:43):
with the conflict told Axios Bongino didn't come back to
work Friday, leading some insiders to believe he'd quit, but
administration officials say he's still on the job even as
the internal tension over the Epstein case continues. At the
center of the argument basically is how has the communication
(20:03):
of the Epstein investigation And this is now me talking,
not the ACXIO story. How has the communication surrounding the
Epstein case investigation been handled internally, both from the Attorney
General Pambondy in her office and from the FBI. And Buck,
you tell me if you would agree. And again I'm
(20:24):
trying to lay out the parameters and then we'll get
into the analysis the FBI. I'm speaking generally. The FBI
office feels that Attorney General Pambondi has been incredibly sloppy
in the public commentary that she has made about the
investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. They feel that she has over
(20:46):
promised and underdelivered in terms of what the actual evidence
that the FBI has shows. Meanwhile, now it appears to me,
Attorney General Pam Bondi is pushing back. She is blaming
the f and Bongino for the release of the video
inside of the gel where the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein occurred.
(21:10):
There was a one minute lapse in the video based
on the way it was recorded, and she is blaming
or the Attorney General's office again we're talking broadly, is
blaming the FBI for the way that that came out,
and they're saying, actually, it's your miscommunication which has created
this larger issue. So basically, you have two different groups
(21:32):
arguing about who's to blame for the fallout surrounding the
Epstein investigation. Communication, so far as it's been publicly is good.
Is that a good analysis from your perspective? You signed off,
I think so, and I know that this is a
far more serious issue, But it does in terms of
the personnel on the spot, on the hot seat situation,
(21:55):
it does remind me a little bit of Trump in
the boardroom of The Apprentice, where people are saying, you know,
he did this or she did that, and you know,
I I you know what I'm saying. This is the
this is the moment where I think accountability may be
coming to a very high level Trump appointee, and so
people are going to lay it out there, and some
(22:16):
of that may be a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I wouldn't go so far as to say dishonest, but
people are going to certainly give their version of things
if they want to stay in the role. So this
is this is turning into a little bit of a
bureaucratic knife fight. That's really what's happening here. Uh, And
it's it's understandable. I think that tempers are are pretty
high on this one, considering the amount of public attention
(22:40):
on this issue. And look, people have been I was laughing.
I was talking to a friend this but I'm not laughing,
but I mean it's having a kind of a chuckle
about it. People have been a little bit mad at me,
a little bit mad at you this week, some of them,
to which I just keep saying, what am I What
do you want me to do? I'm not I'm not
in charge. Like Trump talked to me about running this CIA,
(23:00):
he didn't ask me to run at this time. Maybe
that was a mistake, buddy, Like I'm not in charge.
I don't accept that we've gotten all the answers about Epstein.
I saw this Dershowitz clip that's floating around where he's
saying that he's bound by confidentiality, that he knows there's
more stuff. I don't think Professor dirsh is lying, Okay,
I think he's I think he's a guy who knows
(23:22):
what he's talking about and is so you know, I
sit here and I just want to what what am I? Yeah,
I think that there's problems with how this was handled,
and yeah, I think there's more that we could know
that we should know. I don't have the files, like
I can't you know neither do you?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So getting mad at us? I don't know why people
are getting mad at us. I don't worry. What do
you want me to do?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Reading?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
So here's me reading the tea leaves. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think that Trump might, I stress, might have a
situation where he has to decide who am I gonna
go with my FBI or my Attorney general and there
may be a they leave or we leave kind of
my way or the highway dispute that has accelerated because
(24:08):
people are really angry about them taking the blame for
something that they feel like they didn't.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, look you up, let's just say this, Dan. Who
we know? Dan Bongino. I've known Dan. I'm trying to
even remember. He's one of these guys I've known so
long that I can't remember the first time I met him,
but it was at least over a decade ago. I
mean I've known Dan certainly since twenty thirteen or something
like that probably, and when he first when he first
filled in for Hannity on radio, and I mean I
(24:35):
was filling in for Rush around that time, so that's
how we knew each other. He has been calling for
accountability on this issue and has put a lot out
there and a lot on the line for this. And
I know his character, I know his temperament. He's a
fighter and no one's going to push him into a
corner and make him do something or say something that's
against his ethics or morals on this right. So that's
(24:58):
so people say, how do you know Bongino's no flipped
or something. That's how I know, because I know the god,
I know how we offer. I don't know cash as well.
I don't I've never even spoken to ag Bondi, to
be fair, and we haven't had her on the show.
I have no personal knowledge of her whatsoever. So I'm
laying this out just to be this is like full disclosure, right, yep.
You know there are people whose character I think I
(25:18):
know at some level, and I've had long talks with
Dan in the past about all kinds of things. Right,
So I know Dan a bit. I know you do too,
ag BONDI I don't know it all, and so I
have nothing personally for or against her other than you know,
people like her in Florida and she's Trump's attorney general pick.
There have been clear mistakes made here, Okay, clear mistakes,
(25:39):
and I'm just talking on the messaging side. We can
go even beyond the messaging side too. If you think
there's still cover up going on, which is now you
get into well, okay, let's can I play the dirst clip.
Let's play someone.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let let me before we play a whole Let's just
say this full disclosure. It would actually benefit us professionally
to rip Bongino and say negative things about him, because
he he did he We are on competing, he has
a big show, he's on daytime, he's a big ghost.
Of course, we're not going to play that game because
(26:13):
I the guy is I'm just being honest with you all.
I believe one hundred percent that Dan Bongino is a patriot.
He gave up a seat talking daily like we do
to go because he wanted to help make America great
and he wanted to work for Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
So I actually one of one of my one of
my hesitations, even having spoken to the President, and the
President Trump spoke about this in front of Clay and
the team, so they know when we were talking about
maybe me going to work with him and and the
D and I you, Tulsey knows that this was all up. Look,
if called to serve, the President asked you go do it.
But I will say that I'm not somebody who would
(26:51):
want to get into this kind of a bureaucratic knife fight.
And I know that this stuff happens, and this is
just the nature of DC unfortunately, and Dan, even having
the role he did, making the money he was making,
said I'll do it. That's right. So I respect that.
I respect that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And look, I mean from our perspective, I can't say
we're gonna get everything right. But part of what you
do in life is you assess the trustworthiness of people.
And I would say I would stand behind Dan on
him being an honest person, which is what people got
mad about me saying earlier, like this guy's not going
to cover up child porn crimes.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
He's just not.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And so look, there is now a knife fight, to
use Buck's term, a bureaucratic knife fight over who's responsible
for messaging errors which have created a cluster and I
think have deeply frustrated many people inside of the Trump administration,
potentially including Trump himself, Like he's going to Texas right
now to go visit the the flood victims and everything
(27:53):
else there I separate out.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean, there's a difference between what you say when
you you are somebody on the outside working in media
about issues like I don't have access. You don't have access.
We have not seen classified we have not you know,
I haven't in over a decade now, We don't have
access to the government's internal But once you're in that
(28:15):
position of power to have the access, you have to
be a little more cautious about what you say. I
bring this up because what, for example, Dan and Cash
were saying about this when they were private citizens and
had been for a while at least certainly the I
mean Cash had been the government more recently, but Dan
had been out for a long time. That's different than Okay,
now I see this stuff, and I have an obligation
(28:37):
to speak a certain way about this information, bringing the
power of my office to it. Ag BONDI. While AG
has said some things that while Attorney General that were
not as squared away or as tightly as I think,
clearly over promised and underdelivered. And all of you out
(28:58):
there that heard those quot to maybe we need to
pull them again and play them just to be full context.
All of you who heard those quotes are rightly saying,
wait a minute, she told us X, and now she's
telling us why those don't add up. And I think
that's a fair analysis of the commentary. And even if
you give the most charitable, favorable version of events for
(29:19):
the Attorney General here, that you could messaging mistakes or
mistakes too. Right, even if even if she had said
things that you know she's not she's not trying to
hide the hide the football, so to speak, or anything,
there's still the way that public views it. I do.
I think this is important that the play it quote,
play it. Let's play this. This is Alan Dershowitz on
(29:40):
whether there's more information that has been held back Play eighteen.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely, and and
ultimately I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that she
may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew oll.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from the
day I.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Was accused, I said, I want every document out because
I knew every document would prove I was innocent.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
So let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I know for fact, documents are being suppressed, and they're
being suppressed to protect individuals.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I know the names of the individuals. I know why
they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases,
and I can't disclose what I know. But I can't
to god, I know, I know the names of people
whose files are being.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Suppressed in order to protect them. And that's wrong. That
is a huge, huge, mushroom cloud level problem. Everybody if
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I don't know what we also, I don't know Alan
Dershowitz personally, but we've had him on the show a bunch.
I can't imagine that he as an attorney. Again, speaking
in the larger context, now, It is very convenient to say, Hey,
I know a lot, but I'm bound by confidentiality, so
I can't tell you many of them. He is an
attorney though, right it's not like he's just it's not
(30:54):
like he's scorn on a decoder ring or something. That's
what I'm saying. He doesn't look if I don't. He's
like eighty now. But Alan Dershowitz for much of the
last twenty years. If you had told me, hey, you're
gonna face serious criminal charges, who do you want to
rep you? I mean Trump had Dershowitz repping.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Him, I wouldn't. I mean, even at eighty or whatever
he is. Well, here's here's what I would say, because
defense attorney. Here's what I would say as we try.
Why would he lie? I think motivations are one of
the most important ways to evaluate anyone's actions, criminally non criminally.
You know what's the motivation here? Why would he lie
about that right now? Because he just needs more attend
(31:33):
He's already very famous, and he's got more money he's
gonna spend like well at this stage, so I don't
believe he's lying, It's my point. So then what does
that mean? Where does that leave us. I it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And again I think this is why this mushroom cloud
is not going away. And when Alan Dershowitz comes out
and says this, when Axios is reporting, Hey, the FBI
and the Attorney General's offices are not happy with each
other and they're having yelling matches over communication, I mean
it's a mess. And ultimately, you know who's gonna have
(32:04):
to make the decision on how to clean him the mess,
President Trump, because it's gonna end up on his desk
and he's gonna be, to your point, apprentice style looking
at this and saying, Okay, which side of the equation
of the ledger?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And I waylay if you if you were the president,
all right and I was, well, I guess now we're
getting away from the mafia constantly everything. If you were
the president and I was your chief of staff on
this one and you were like, what has to happen?
I feel like somebody's got to go? I would I
would say somebody's got to go. This is there needs
to be accountability already at this stage, just for the
bait and switch that has occurred here.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I would also say release every frickin thing and just
if I were if I were advising Trump politically, not legally,
because those are two different things. Release every aspect of
evidence that you have. Throw it all out there. Let
everybody look at it and say this is it, Like
you know, uh, what's the full kimono? Like everything's out there.
(33:01):
You get to look at it, you analyze it.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
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American Playbook. All right, Clay, batten down the hatches. Here
we go the Epstein stuff. It's it's flying right now.
Podcast listener Keegan, this is DD hit it.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Yeah, we're upset because we want you guys to hold
pedophiles accountable and stop sweeping this topic under the rug.
There's a cover up and there's no way a pedophile
could walk this earth a free man, and they all
need to be arrested.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So take it seriously.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's not a laughing matter.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
We're excuse me, I'm getting upset. We're taking it seriously.
What do you want. I'm not in the FBI, I
don't have the list. I can't arrest anybody. We're just
telling you about the information that's out there. Yes, there's
stuff that we need to know that we still don't know.
Have said that. The first thing I tweeted about this
is that it is not credible that he was not
involved in blackmail. My head is going to explode. I'm
(35:29):
not there, you know the chief inspector here, No, what
is pro pedophile?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
The only people who are pro.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Pedophiles are actual pedophiles? Like this is like saying, oh,
stop being in favor of cancer. Like, yes, if people
commit crimes, they should be arrested. Here is the problem.
So far as I understand it, there isn't evidence that
can get people convicted of victims.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Right, And I want to remind people of this as well.
It is incredibly reckless, immoral, and legally problematic to insind,
you know, to say that someone did a sex crime
of any kind, especially with a minor, when you're just guessing,
you cannot do that. You can ruin lives. So we
(36:19):
can't there anything worse to be accused of. No, in life,
I don't think there is.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
And so much like take it outside of this, how
often do you hear guy gets accused of sexual assault,
goes one hundred percent public, everybody covers it. Then the
evidence comes out and they're like, oh, it wasn't that.
You can't unring the bell. So the idea of hey
let's just throw everybody in jail, it's a mess. We're
gonna talk about this. We got Marty McCay next he scheduled.
(36:45):
We're gonna talk about mom.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
We're talking about the FBA and drugs and cures and
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with his Friday edition and play a buck
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Congratulations,
you made it to Friday. You're about to be able
to roll into the weekend and we are going to
have some fun with all of you. Let me give
you a little bit of an idea where we're headed.
Marty McCarey, who is now the head of the FDA,
will be with us at the top of the next hour.
(00:23):
He has obviously been doing a ton of things and
was right on everything COVID, one of the few doctors
who was and I do think that slid a little
bit under the radar given all the other appointments, but
the Trump team has been zealous when it comes to
promoting people who did not favor lockdowns in all of
(00:47):
the COVID related insanity that took over our country about
five years ago. So doctor Martin McCay, ahead of the FDA,
will be with us top the next hour. Top of
the third hour, that is the final hour of the week,
we will talk with Nicole Parker, former FBI agent. She
was listening to the show and she was reacting to
a lot of the Epstein revelation. She was working in
(01:08):
South Florida when really I think Buck and we'll talk
with this some about her, but she was texting us
the initial investigation that took place with Acosta and led
to a sweetheart prosecution deal and resolution of the charges
in South Florida, to me, is probably the part of
(01:31):
the Epstein story that still deserves to be the most examined.
So we will talk with her about that in the
third hour. But I wanted to open and we'll talk
about the ice ray that happened in California and the
discovery of underage children that were being used to work there,
and some of the dark, seedy underbelly of the illegal
(01:53):
immigrant experience. But I wanted to begin with this because
on Sunday will be officially the one year anniversary of
the near assassination of Donald Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania. And
they came out with news yesterday. I believe that six
different Secret Service officers had been disciplined for the failures.
(02:17):
I think it's fair to say, basically all systems failure
that occurred in Butler, Pennsylvania, almost one year ago. Today
it was a Saturday, for those of you who remember,
and Monday was the first day of the Republican National
Convention from Milwaukee, and Trump came within a quarter inch
of having his head blown off on live television. And
(02:39):
we talked with Selena Selena Zito, who's got her book
out about Butler Pennsylvania. I've been reading about that. We
talked with her earlier this week. And the extent to
which that is an historic event, I think it's going
to continue to echo and reverberate. But Trump is talking
(03:00):
about that with special interviews that he is doing, including
with his daughter in law, Laura Trump, And we have
a cut from that that we would like to play
for all of you because it is only by the
grace of God if you think about where we were
one year ago today and how different this country would
(03:23):
look if that assassination attempt had been successful. Here is
Trump talking about that with Laura cut.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, it was unforgettable and no exactly what was going on.
I got whack, There's no question about that, and fortunately
got down quickly and people were screaming, and I got
down quickly for chunly because I think they shod eight
bullets and one got me, and one got another one,
and one got another one and one killed Corey the firefighter,
(03:50):
great guy. And we had a tremendous, massive crown. Tens
of thousands of people were there, and the hour sniper,
within less than five seconds, was able to get him
from a long distance with one shot. If he didn't
do that, you would have had an even worse situation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I do think Buck, sometimes you get lost. All
of us do in the day to day, twenty four
hour news cycle, and the question is what is this
going to still matter in a day? Is this going
to still matter in two days? A prediction this day
July thirteenth, and what happened on that day in President
(04:29):
Trump's response on that day. I think one in the election,
people forget that Elon Musk voted against Trump in twenty sixteen,
he voted for Hillary Clinton, he voted for Joe Biden
in twenty twenty. It wasn't until July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
and I saw one of your tweets about this when
Elon Musk got off the bench and suddenly said, for
(04:51):
the first time, I'm with Trump and people out there
listening to us right now. Some of you voted Trump
in sixteen, some of you voted Trump into twenty, some
of you voted Trump in twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Four almost all of them play almost all of them
voted Trump in sixteen, twenty and twenty four.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But yes, I'm not even in the primary in sixteen.
Like people came on the Trump train talk in general election, Yeah,
people came on the Trump train at different times. Elon
Musk was one of the last joiners of the Trump train,
and Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, guys who would otherwise been
I would say, opposed to Trump quite quite honestly, saw
(05:31):
that video and I think it changed something I really do.
For American men, I think that way. I know a
lot of women too, but for American men, I think
that was such a badass moment that it fundamentally altered
the trajectory of the nation in a way few events.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Do well think about. If you were to do a
historical what if and a list of the biggest historical
what ifs, I think it was a long time ago
Winston Churchill did a whole what if this would be
right your Alley Clay Historically speaking, what if General Lee
had won at Gettysburg? Right, what would America and the
(06:08):
world have looked like had the South actually won that war?
Now that's a very big what if. In so far
as it would have been a whole battle going in
a different trajectory. This is a historical what if what
happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. That was truly a matter of
you could just say an inch one inch different in
that projectile, and we're living in a different America right now,
(06:31):
one inch different in that five five, six rounds trajectory,
and you would have had I can't I can't recall
has there ever been and sorry, this is just something
I haven't thought about. So there might be an obvious answer.
A presidential assassination of a sorry, a presidential assassination in
this country during the campaign. I know there have been
(06:52):
assassinations obviously in McKinley or FK R RFK RF nineteen
sixty eight. But to your point, RFK had not yet
become the Democrat nominee. It looked like he.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Was going to be the nominee. Well, so he wasn't
actually the nominee necessary Trump? Yeah, right, Trump had the
nomination locked up. And again remember he was going to
accept it the next week.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And uh, well, this is what I mean about, because
now you're now you're talking about a historical situation where
God forbid and as we know, Trump is fine, and
it was all he was. Okay, it was a terrible day,
not just for the country politically and psychologically. But you know, Corey,
uh contemporarily pardon me in the last name, I'm not
able to say it, but the guy who got killed
(07:34):
that day competory is that? I think that's right? Yeah, comparatory. Uh,
but you know, he lost his life that day to
that shooter. And you sit here and you say how
different things would have been, because you would have had
a country that wouldn't have accepted the eventual result based
on the fact that our candidate would have been stolen
(07:54):
from us by a bullet, you know, And it's even
it's that would have been even more of a psychic
shock than and as you said, RFK okay, that's in
a primary. But was he going to be the candidate
or not? Obviously a terrible situation, a political assassination. And
Trump isn't just wasn't just the candidate. Trump is a
is a political movement unto himself, was reshape the Republican
(08:15):
Party in the twenty first century, the most consequential president
probably of our lifetime. You'd certainly have to go back
to Reagan, or maybe you could say Obama's consequential and
destroying the country. But that would have been an enormous
change in the world and certainly in the America that
we live in today. And I remember we're we're at
the RNC. There was a feeling of surrealism with so
(08:37):
we're just gonna have this RNC now, and yeah, process
the fact that we almost lost our guy, we almost
lost our president.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I think they are both short and long term implications
that are difficult to even comprehend. And I think it's
important to go back and think how fortunate we all
are with the way that turned out. A couple of
things here. One, Trump had not picked jd. Vance, So
it's not only just that he would have been killed.
They would have the RNC chair said they would have
(09:06):
canceled the RNC, so it would no one would have
gone to Milwaukee. There would have been a prolonged period
of mourning of some sort. There also would have been
a lot of glee, sadly on the left that somebody
killed terrifically. Yes, yeah, there There would have then had
to be a new individual selected as the nominee. And remember,
there would not have been a VP selection at that
(09:29):
point in time, And honestly, one reason jd Vance got picked,
I think was because Trump wanted somebody who was stiff
in the spine maga in the event that somebody else
killed him, which doesn't get talked about very much. Here's
the other thing, Buck, we still know nothing about the assassin.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I know the shooter.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know nobody would be assassin. Nobody would have ever
believed and for the next for the rest of everyone
listening's life and for the next two hundred years, much
like with JFK's assassination, people would have said, this wasn't
a lone gunman. There's no way this ended up happening.
(10:08):
The fix was in. The government killed Trump. Here's the
other question. Does Biden still run? Do they elevate Kamala?
If the Republicans are scrambling to try to find a
new candidate, who is that candidate? I think it would
have been Rondasantis. That's my analysis of the Tea leaves.
But it would have been a huge mess, the likes
(10:32):
of which the country would never have recovered from. To
say nothing, Buck, think about this. What about the president
getting his head blown off on live television? And the
psychic trauma that that creates for hundreds of millions of
people seeing that happen.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You couldn't have had a fair election afterwards. Correct, There's
no such thing as a fair election when you have
somebody like Trump, who is a former president, who is
the leader of his party, and as I said, is
a one man political movement who has reshaped the landscape
politically of this country already against some other candidate. Like,
(11:07):
there's no there's no way that you would be able
to convince Trump voters in the event that that terrible
thing had happened, in the event that it had been
an assassination, that this election is legit. And then what
does that do to the country? Right? How do you
go forward when there's a very real sense that a
(11:29):
fair election was completely stolen from the country but through violence,
mind you, through through yeah, the worst kind of of
violence politically. So you know, this is one thing, and
I want to give I think it was Fisher King,
who is a Twitter account? Do you follow Fisher King?
I don't even know this guy is. He's very He's
got a very interesting account on x very. You know
(11:50):
a lot of you know, I'm not endorsing everything he's
written ever to say, the guy writes some good, some
smart stuff. And while people have been very upset recently,
and I understand, and I don't want to get into
it right now, and I do agree that there are
a lot of problems and unanswered questions, and there's whiplash
and all this people have been so upset about. Epstein
Kamala could have won that election, everybody, and then we'd
(12:13):
be in a country And he pointed this out on
X which is what's making me think of this. We're
just talking about in the context of what if that
assassination attempt had been successful, but just even think about
how different the country would be if just the election
result had gone in a different direction. We're now sitting
here and rightly so, pushing Trump for the best possible
decisions and the most transparency and all of that we
(12:34):
can get. We could have been in a situation where
all the stuff that we've already seen in six months
was going in the other direction, where the border was
still wide open, where I mean, just go down the list.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, I mean that's why I woke up this morning
and I saw that interview, and I just was thinking
how profoundly grateful all of us should be. And I
hope you take a moment to just think about it.
What would have happened if that bullet had been one
quarter inch closer to Trump and had killed him on
that day. We're in an incredible place right now, I
(13:07):
think is a country doesn't mean everything's perfect, doesn't mean
you're gonna agree with everything that's being done. There's always
room for improvement all of that. But I think a
lot of times in the day to day we don't
pause and think, hey, let's just look back a year. Man,
what an incredible year that has been, and how grateful
for those of us who are out there listening. We
(13:28):
all should be compared to where we could be. I'll
just say catastrophism and negativity. It's always the easy way.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
It's always the easy way to get attention, always the
easy way to bring people into your sphere of influence.
Everything is falling apart all everything is terrible. We have challenges,
there's some stuff that needs to be fixed. We're focused
on that. We you know, we want accountability, we want
more wins. We are not tired of winning. But the
(13:59):
mood of the country overall right now, and this is
where I think, Clay, we bring it all full circle.
The mood of the country one year from where we
were possibly on that day in Butler should be one
of tremendous thanks to God and tremendous blessings for America
that we are receiving. And I know it's imperfect and
it always will be. And I understand there's a particular
(14:21):
amount of frustration right now, but could have been a
lot worse, everybody, And you know that's not that you know,
that's not somewhat about ism. It almost was. It was
one inch away from being a very different country in
a much much darker place than we ever could have imagined.
So we are allowed to feel blessed. And I thought
this fourth of July, I think there was there were
(14:42):
a lot of people who truly were celebrating on Independence
Day weekend because the country's in a good spot right now. Overall.
It is I know people can yell at me, it
actually is in a good place right now relative to
what could have been and relative to what the options were.
We're we're seeing some really positive developments happen, and you
should take stock of that as well. Otherwise you just
(15:04):
exhaust yourself with the with the constant sense that nothing changes,
it's all, it's all unit party, it all falls apart,
everything is screwed. No, that's never that's never the way forward.
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Speaker 3 (16:24):
Oh boy, you know how I was just talking about
optimism and how things are okay to the country. That's true.
There are still some things where there's a lot of tension,
of course, and Axios with the scoop here, Clay on
the clear feeling that there was a there has been
a blunder, at a minimum of blunder. Some people say
(16:44):
worse than a blunder. That's that's we'll put that aside
for now. This whole Epstein file release thing is a
mess and has overshadowed a lot else, a lot else
that was going on this week, as we've discussed, and
now it's you know, Clay, you should bring us into
the details of this Axios piece here that just went
went over the transom moments ago, because it's looking like
(17:08):
this is the part of this is the part of
the Apprentice where someone gets told you fi it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
When we come back again, this dropped in the last
ten minutes, Axios reporting that there was a super heated
meeting between Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, and A. G. Pam
Bondi in the White House, very small group, but very
high level meeting, and things got incredibly heated over who's
(17:36):
to blame for communication related issues surrounding the Epstein investigation.
We will bring you all of those details when we
come back. We'll try to analyze it from perspective based
on things we know. But I think to Buck's point,
we're at the finger pointing aspect of the Epstein investigation.
Many nations worldwide have established something called the sovereign Wealth Fund.
(18:00):
The common premise is that a nation with natural resources
can monetize those for the overall populations greater good. The
idea is actually something that's being investigating and being investigated
rather in our nation, because we have a natural resource
in our soil that is.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Worth more than one hundred trillion dollars. This asset is
so large you could pay off our national debt four
times over. Trump administration could soon open up that endowment
in new ways to the public. Jim Rickards, a former
advisor of the White House in Federal Reserves, says, if
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build lasting well from a once in a century event.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, welcome back in Clay, Ravis buck Sexton show breaking
News from Axios. And I'm gonna lay this out Buck
and I will tell you what we think and analyze this.
And I'm going to read from some of this report.
And this has to do with the fallout of the
Epstein investigation. And the headline is FBI's Dan Bongino clashes
(19:22):
with ag Bondi over handling of Epstein files. And I'm
going to read the opening paragraph. FBI Director Deputy Director
Dan Bongino took a day off from work Friday after
clashing at the White House with Attorney General Pam Bondi
over the handling of the Epstein files. Four sources familiar
(19:43):
with the conflict told Axios Bongino didn't come back to
work Friday, leading some insiders to believe he'd quit, but
administration officials say he's still on the job even as
the internal tension over the Epstein case continues. At the
center of the argument basically is how has the communication
(20:03):
of the Epstein investigation And this is now me talking,
not the ACXIO story. How has the communication surrounding the
Epstein case investigation been handled internally, both from the Attorney
General Pambondy in her office and from the FBI. And Buck,
you tell me if you would agree. And again I'm
(20:24):
trying to lay out the parameters and then we'll get
into the analysis the FBI. I'm speaking generally. The FBI
office feels that Attorney General Pambondi has been incredibly sloppy
in the public commentary that she has made about the
investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. They feel that she has over
(20:46):
promised and underdelivered in terms of what the actual evidence
that the FBI has shows. Meanwhile, now it appears to me,
Attorney General Pam Bondi is pushing back. She is blaming
the f and Bongino for the release of the video
inside of the gel where the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein occurred.
(21:10):
There was a one minute lapse in the video based
on the way it was recorded, and she is blaming
or the Attorney General's office again we're talking broadly, is
blaming the FBI for the way that that came out,
and they're saying, actually, it's your miscommunication which has created
this larger issue. So basically, you have two different groups
(21:32):
arguing about who's to blame for the fallout surrounding the
Epstein investigation. Communication, so far as it's been publicly is good.
Is that a good analysis from your perspective? You signed off,
I think so, and I know that this is a
far more serious issue, But it does in terms of
the personnel on the spot, on the hot seat situation,
(21:55):
it does remind me a little bit of Trump in
the boardroom of The Apprentice, where people are saying, you know,
he did this or she did that, and you know,
I I you know what I'm saying. This is the
this is the moment where I think accountability may be
coming to a very high level Trump appointee, and so
people are going to lay it out there, and some
(22:16):
of that may be a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I wouldn't go so far as to say dishonest, but
people are going to certainly give their version of things
if they want to stay in the role. So this
is this is turning into a little bit of a
bureaucratic knife fight. That's really what's happening here. Uh, And
it's it's understandable. I think that tempers are are pretty
high on this one, considering the amount of public attention
(22:40):
on this issue. And look, people have been I was laughing.
I was talking to a friend this but I'm not laughing,
but I mean it's having a kind of a chuckle
about it. People have been a little bit mad at me,
a little bit mad at you this week, some of them,
to which I just keep saying, what am I What
do you want me to do? I'm not I'm not
in charge. Like Trump talked to me about running this CIA,
(23:00):
he didn't ask me to run at this time. Maybe
that was a mistake, buddy, Like I'm not in charge.
I don't accept that we've gotten all the answers about Epstein.
I saw this Dershowitz clip that's floating around where he's
saying that he's bound by confidentiality, that he knows there's
more stuff. I don't think Professor dirsh is lying, Okay,
I think he's I think he's a guy who knows
(23:22):
what he's talking about and is so you know, I
sit here and I just want to what what am I? Yeah,
I think that there's problems with how this was handled,
and yeah, I think there's more that we could know
that we should know. I don't have the files, like
I can't you know neither do you?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So getting mad at us? I don't know why people
are getting mad at us. I don't worry. What do
you want me to do?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Reading?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
So here's me reading the tea leaves. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think that Trump might, I stress, might have a
situation where he has to decide who am I gonna
go with my FBI or my Attorney general and there
may be a they leave or we leave kind of
my way or the highway dispute that has accelerated because
(24:08):
people are really angry about them taking the blame for
something that they feel like they didn't.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, look you up, let's just say this, Dan. Who
we know? Dan Bongino. I've known Dan. I'm trying to
even remember. He's one of these guys I've known so
long that I can't remember the first time I met him,
but it was at least over a decade ago. I
mean I've known Dan certainly since twenty thirteen or something
like that probably, and when he first when he first
filled in for Hannity on radio, and I mean I
(24:35):
was filling in for Rush around that time, so that's
how we knew each other. He has been calling for
accountability on this issue and has put a lot out
there and a lot on the line for this. And
I know his character, I know his temperament. He's a
fighter and no one's going to push him into a
corner and make him do something or say something that's
against his ethics or morals on this right. So that's
(24:58):
so people say, how do you know Bongino's no flipped
or something. That's how I know, because I know the god,
I know how we offer. I don't know cash as well.
I don't I've never even spoken to ag Bondi, to
be fair, and we haven't had her on the show.
I have no personal knowledge of her whatsoever. So I'm
laying this out just to be this is like full disclosure, right, yep.
You know there are people whose character I think I
(25:18):
know at some level, and I've had long talks with
Dan in the past about all kinds of things. Right,
So I know Dan a bit. I know you do too,
ag BONDI I don't know it all, and so I
have nothing personally for or against her other than you know,
people like her in Florida and she's Trump's attorney general pick.
There have been clear mistakes made here, Okay, clear mistakes,
(25:39):
and I'm just talking on the messaging side. We can
go even beyond the messaging side too. If you think
there's still cover up going on, which is now you
get into well, okay, let's can I play the dirst clip.
Let's play someone.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let let me before we play a whole Let's just
say this full disclosure. It would actually benefit us professionally
to rip Bongino and say negative things about him, because
he he did he We are on competing, he has
a big show, he's on daytime, he's a big ghost.
Of course, we're not going to play that game because
(26:13):
I the guy is I'm just being honest with you all.
I believe one hundred percent that Dan Bongino is a patriot.
He gave up a seat talking daily like we do
to go because he wanted to help make America great
and he wanted to work for Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
So I actually one of one of my one of
my hesitations, even having spoken to the President, and the
President Trump spoke about this in front of Clay and
the team, so they know when we were talking about
maybe me going to work with him and and the
D and I you, Tulsey knows that this was all up. Look,
if called to serve, the President asked you go do it.
But I will say that I'm not somebody who would
(26:51):
want to get into this kind of a bureaucratic knife fight.
And I know that this stuff happens, and this is
just the nature of DC unfortunately, and Dan, even having
the role he did, making the money he was making,
said I'll do it. That's right. So I respect that.
I respect that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And look, I mean from our perspective, I can't say
we're gonna get everything right. But part of what you
do in life is you assess the trustworthiness of people.
And I would say I would stand behind Dan on
him being an honest person, which is what people got
mad about me saying earlier, like this guy's not going
to cover up child porn crimes.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
He's just not.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And so look, there is now a knife fight, to
use Buck's term, a bureaucratic knife fight over who's responsible
for messaging errors which have created a cluster and I
think have deeply frustrated many people inside of the Trump administration,
potentially including Trump himself, Like he's going to Texas right
now to go visit the the flood victims and everything
(27:53):
else there I separate out.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean, there's a difference between what you say when
you you are somebody on the outside working in media
about issues like I don't have access. You don't have access.
We have not seen classified we have not you know,
I haven't in over a decade now, We don't have
access to the government's internal But once you're in that
(28:15):
position of power to have the access, you have to
be a little more cautious about what you say. I
bring this up because what, for example, Dan and Cash
were saying about this when they were private citizens and
had been for a while at least certainly the I
mean Cash had been the government more recently, but Dan
had been out for a long time. That's different than Okay,
now I see this stuff, and I have an obligation
(28:37):
to speak a certain way about this information, bringing the
power of my office to it. Ag BONDI. While AG
has said some things that while Attorney General that were
not as squared away or as tightly as I think,
clearly over promised and underdelivered. And all of you out
(28:58):
there that heard those quot to maybe we need to
pull them again and play them just to be full context.
All of you who heard those quotes are rightly saying,
wait a minute, she told us X, and now she's
telling us why those don't add up. And I think
that's a fair analysis of the commentary. And even if
you give the most charitable, favorable version of events for
(29:19):
the Attorney General here, that you could messaging mistakes or
mistakes too. Right, even if even if she had said
things that you know she's not she's not trying to
hide the hide the football, so to speak, or anything,
there's still the way that public views it. I do.
I think this is important that the play it quote,
play it. Let's play this. This is Alan Dershowitz on
(29:40):
whether there's more information that has been held back Play eighteen.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely, and and
ultimately I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that she
may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew oll.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from the
day I.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Was accused, I said, I want every document out because
I knew every document would prove I was innocent.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
So let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I know for fact, documents are being suppressed, and they're
being suppressed to protect individuals.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I know the names of the individuals. I know why
they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases,
and I can't disclose what I know. But I can't
to god, I know, I know the names of people
whose files are being.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Suppressed in order to protect them. And that's wrong. That
is a huge, huge, mushroom cloud level problem. Everybody if
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I don't know what we also, I don't know Alan
Dershowitz personally, but we've had him on the show a bunch.
I can't imagine that he as an attorney. Again, speaking
in the larger context, now, It is very convenient to say, Hey,
I know a lot, but I'm bound by confidentiality, so
I can't tell you many of them. He is an
attorney though, right it's not like he's just it's not
(30:54):
like he's scorn on a decoder ring or something. That's
what I'm saying. He doesn't look if I don't. He's
like eighty now. But Alan Dershowitz for much of the
last twenty years. If you had told me, hey, you're
gonna face serious criminal charges, who do you want to
rep you? I mean Trump had Dershowitz repping.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Him, I wouldn't. I mean, even at eighty or whatever
he is. Well, here's here's what I would say, because
defense attorney. Here's what I would say as we try.
Why would he lie? I think motivations are one of
the most important ways to evaluate anyone's actions, criminally non criminally.
You know what's the motivation here? Why would he lie
about that right now? Because he just needs more attend
(31:33):
He's already very famous, and he's got more money he's
gonna spend like well at this stage, so I don't
believe he's lying, It's my point. So then what does
that mean? Where does that leave us. I it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And again I think this is why this mushroom cloud
is not going away. And when Alan Dershowitz comes out
and says this, when Axios is reporting, Hey, the FBI
and the Attorney General's offices are not happy with each
other and they're having yelling matches over communication, I mean
it's a mess. And ultimately, you know who's gonna have
(32:04):
to make the decision on how to clean him the mess,
President Trump, because it's gonna end up on his desk
and he's gonna be, to your point, apprentice style looking
at this and saying, Okay, which side of the equation
of the ledger?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And I waylay if you if you were the president,
all right and I was, well, I guess now we're
getting away from the mafia constantly everything. If you were
the president and I was your chief of staff on
this one and you were like, what has to happen?
I feel like somebody's got to go? I would I
would say somebody's got to go. This is there needs
to be accountability already at this stage, just for the
bait and switch that has occurred here.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I would also say release every frickin thing and just
if I were if I were advising Trump politically, not legally,
because those are two different things. Release every aspect of
evidence that you have. Throw it all out there. Let
everybody look at it and say this is it, Like
you know, uh, what's the full kimono? Like everything's out there.
(33:01):
You get to look at it, you analyze it.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
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Podcast listener Keegan, this is DD hit it.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Yeah, we're upset because we want you guys to hold
pedophiles accountable and stop sweeping this topic under the rug.
There's a cover up and there's no way a pedophile
could walk this earth a free man, and they all
need to be arrested.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So take it seriously.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's not a laughing matter.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
We're excuse me, I'm getting upset. We're taking it seriously.
What do you want. I'm not in the FBI, I
don't have the list. I can't arrest anybody. We're just
telling you about the information that's out there. Yes, there's
stuff that we need to know that we still don't know.
Have said that. The first thing I tweeted about this
is that it is not credible that he was not
involved in blackmail. My head is going to explode. I'm
(35:29):
not there, you know the chief inspector here, No, what
is pro pedophile?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
The only people who are pro.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Pedophiles are actual pedophiles? Like this is like saying, oh,
stop being in favor of cancer. Like, yes, if people
commit crimes, they should be arrested. Here is the problem.
So far as I understand it, there isn't evidence that
can get people convicted of victims.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Right, And I want to remind people of this as well.
It is incredibly reckless, immoral, and legally problematic to insind,
you know, to say that someone did a sex crime
of any kind, especially with a minor, when you're just guessing,
you cannot do that. You can ruin lives. So we
(36:19):
can't there anything worse to be accused of. No, in life,
I don't think there is.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
And so much like take it outside of this, how
often do you hear guy gets accused of sexual assault,
goes one hundred percent public, everybody covers it. Then the
evidence comes out and they're like, oh, it wasn't that.
You can't unring the bell. So the idea of hey
let's just throw everybody in jail, it's a mess. We're
gonna talk about this. We got Marty McCay next he scheduled.
(36:45):
We're gonna talk about mom.
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We're talking about the FBA and drugs and cures and
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