October 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show kicks off with major breaking news and sharp political analysis. Clay and Buck dive into the federal indictment of New York Attorney General Letitia James on mortgage fraud charges, a stunning development given her high-profile role in pursuing former President Donald Trump.
The hosts break down the legal implications, the irony of James facing the same type of charges she once weaponized, and whether she can ethically remain in office while under felony indictment. They also explore the political fallout, media reactions—including CNN’s controversial “everybody commits mortgage fraud” comment—and the likelihood of disbarment or removal from office.
The discussion expands to legal ethics, prosecutorial overreach, and the double standard in law enforcement, with comparisons to past cases like James Comey and Rudy Giuliani. Clay and Buck emphasize the principle that no one is above the law, especially those enforcing it.
In addition to this explosive legal story, the hour highlights historic progress in the Middle East: a truce between Israel and Hamas and the return of hostages, crediting President Trump’s diplomatic efforts and the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews for their role in strengthening U.S.-Israel ties.
Listeners also hear breaking news from Melania Trump, who announced the successful reunification of eight Ukrainian children with their families after direct negotiations with Vladimir Putin—a rare and significant humanitarian achievement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of The Clay
Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I am in a great
mood today, Clay, because I am finally home after almost
two and a half weeks of travel. Saw Ginger Spice
by the front door. It's not that she's the most important,
it's just that she's the fastest on four legs.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You came off and gave me a big hello.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This morning, I saw my beautiful wife, Carrie, my adorable baby,
and I'm finally home, So yay for that.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Also, some really good news for the whole world.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The truce goes into effect between Israel and Hamas, so
that's great news. And President Trump deserved so much credit
on this, so much so that even some of his
adversaries and enemies.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Are saying, yeah, that is a pretty good one. Tells you.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think all you need to know, But let me
tell you what else you need to know. For the
show today, we have Jason Miaris, the Attorney General of Virginia,
and he's going to talk about this other guy who
wants to be in a attorney general for the state
of Virginia who had some text messages released that were
not good talk about that. The Virginia race also getting
(01:08):
a lot of attention because of the debate. We are
going to take you right into this. Allison spam Berger
span Berger, whatever abig I said, Abigail didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I I think you said Alison, but I think it's whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I actually didn't mean to do that, but it's the same.
The point is nobody knows that Berger is her last name.
You got that part right, I got that part right.
The whole thing is, who are you voting for? Anas
the Democrats is a woman. What does she stand for?
Nobody really knows, and that's the whole game. Well, they
tried that on the debate stage and it didn't work
out well for her. One of the worst debate performances
(01:49):
I've seen in a well, very long time. Not quite
Joe Biden level debate performance, but pretty terrible. So we
will play some of the low light of that for
you and I am looking forward to it. Also, our
friend Jack Carr, former Navy seal, author of the Terminalist series,
and he's got the series on Amazon right now. Black Wolf.
(02:14):
It's awesome, it's doing great stuff. It's actually worth watching
everybody on Like a lot of stuff you see on
the streaming services, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Talk to him. But Clay, oh my. Right after we
got off.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The show yesterday, the news came out that New York
State's Attorney General, Leticia James, has been indicted for mortgage fraud.
Here is what she has to say about this clip
thirteen hit it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's
desperate weaponization of our justice system. He's forcing federal law
enforcement agencies to do his bidding all because I did
my job as a New York State attorney general. He's
charged as a baseless and the president's own public statements
make clear that his only goal is political retribution at
(03:04):
any cost.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Claire, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'm
sure you will too. I want to start with this one.
The charges aren't baseless. I mean, you know, you could
say a lot about it. And I actually believe that
some of these laws, and specifically mortgage fraud, unless it's
systematic and intentional and overall large.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mean, the mortgage fraud laws are need to be reformed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I will say that, but that doesn't change the fact
that she's an attorney general put other people in prison
for mortgage fraud. Had no problem with it. Used statutes
in ways they never had been used before to try
to bankrupt Donald Trump. But let's just look at it
this way, Clay. She broke the law based on the allegations.
Unless the facts are in dispute here, which they don't seem.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
To be, she broke the law.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, I would go back to the same thing I
said when James Comey was indicted.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
This was a grand jury.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
This was a grand jury in a northern Virginia I
believe Alexandria as well courtroom. So what I would ask
Letitia James if she were on the radio with us
right now we played that clip, is why did the
grand jury get it wrong? Because you can say, oh,
(04:18):
Trump is going after his political adversaries, but it requires
that a grand jury agreed that there is a legitimate
basis for these charges to be brought. And that is
not a grand jury of your or mine. Peers Buck,
this is not where I live in Nashville, Tennessee area.
(04:38):
This is not where you live in the Miami, Florida area.
This is among the best possible grand jury pools that
Leticia James could have. They probably voted as a group
seventy thirty Biden seventy thirty Kamala, and they are looking
at all this evidence and they are saying, we think
(04:58):
Letitia James broke the wall law. I will say this,
it's another one we got right. This is not a
very complicated case because everybody has to fill out these forms.
And if you are a lawyer and you are in
charge of enforcing the law in one of the biggest
states in the country, I think a lot of people
(05:18):
out there do not give you the benefit of the
doubt if there are parts of the mortgage application that
are wrong that are favorable to you. This is not
your average guy or gal out there who's running through
a mortgage form as fast as they can. When you
pass a bar exam and when you are charged with
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enforcing the law for again, one of the biggest states
in the country, I think that you have a higher
standard of expecting to understand what you are filling out
when it comes to mortgages. And so I think that
she's in a tough spot. And of course this is
a delicious irony as it were, because she went after
(05:59):
Trump for alleged fraud when it came to the loan
proceedings that he was able to get relating to his
assets and the loans that he had repaid. And so
this is based on a property that she owns in
Virginia that evidently she has lied about what it's being
used for.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, yeah, she said that she had two primary residences
and the word primary is a problem for her.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
There.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Everybody knows what that means. You can't have two primary residences.
And Clay beyond that. So there's the facts of this
which are very straightforward. And I'm sorry, but if you're
the Attorney General of New York, to Clay's point, you
should understand the law really better than anybody and should
be held to a standard that you've held everyday Americans to.
(06:43):
It's a very straightforward question. Have people gone to prison
for mortgage fraud like this in New York State? With
Tiss James overseeing the prosecutorial offices that do this because
it's all federal, The.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So if somebody can go to prison for this, she
can go to prison for this. And people might say, oh,
that's harsh. Well, to that, I say, it is harsh,
But either the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under
the laws they use against us. Or we are in
a tyranny, my friends. The law either applies to everyone
or should apply to no one. And by the way,
here she is, this is cut fourteen ye, making that
(07:19):
very point, Clay play it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The president of these United States is not above the law.
No matter how rich, powerful, or politically connected you are.
Everyone must play by the same rules. Please see him
for us.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
She said, everyone has to played by the same rules.
Looks like she broke the rules according to this grand jury.
She certainly did, I mean, Clay. Also, if she didn't
do this, this wouldn't be where it is. This is
a very straightforward crime. This is in fact the crime
that they try to get the corrupt congressman in the
show the Wire on and they and they call it
(08:00):
at that time the quote headshot because you can go
away for years based on mortgage fraud.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, she's facing up to thirty years in prison now again, which.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Is insane, Which is insane, And we can all, by
the way, we can all agree that's insane. But change
the laws, everybody. These some of these federal laws are absurd.
It should only be you know, multiple counts, accounts systemic,
essentially a Rico situation, like if you did this fifty times. Okay, yeah,
you should face maybe thirty years. I know she'll only
probably get if she's found guilty six months or something.
(08:30):
But again, James Comy, we're seeing a pattern here. Comy
sent Martha Stewart to prison for a little fib that
didn't matter. Comy told a little fib too. Guess what
more significantly too. I don't know how she remains the
New York Attorney General. If you are the chief law
enforcement officer of a state and you are facing felony charges,
(08:52):
I don't understand how you remain in that position. And
she's benefited because she's in a blue state. But there
have been disbarment proceedings brought against Trump related officials who
have law degrees for far less than felony mortgage charges.
So my question would be for everybody out there listening
(09:14):
on WR and all over the state of New York,
and this would be a question that I think Kathy
Hokle should have to answer. How can you have a chief.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Law enforcement officer of the State of New York who
is under federal indictment for mortgage fraud executing the executing
the office of New York Attorney general, because look, Buck,
she's prosecuting people right now for the crime that she
has been indicted for in Virginia. That feels to me
(09:44):
to be untenable. I think she's going to have to
step down, And I'm surprised that more people aren't already
raising this as an issue, because again, when you are
the chief law enforcement official of a state and you
are facing felony charges, how in the world can you
be expected to be a fair and impartial ruler of
(10:06):
the law when you're prosecuting people for felony charges that
you yourself face. That seems like a tough putt to say.
It's a huge problem, a huge problem, and there's more
irony here. There's a lot of irony in this whole situation.
Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly,
but to bankrupt hundreds of millions of dollars worth of
this to bankrupt the Trump organization, even though the banks
(10:27):
involved them said it was great, we would do it again.
There was no problem here, what are you taught? And
her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to say
that mar A Lago is worth sixteen million dollars or something.
This is truly bonkers. Nobody would ever say that. But
beyond that, Clay she's gonna I mentioned Clay Davis, who's
(10:48):
actually the guy, a different Clay, the guy from the
wire who is prosecuted for mortgage fraud. That's how they
get the politician and what he's he do. He appeals
to the jury on sort of purely emotional political grounds.
He really goes for jury nullification. Here is Leticia James.
This is just a quick one. This cut fifteen. She
told everybody she was going after Trump for political reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It's important that everyone understand that the days of Donald
Trump are coming to an end.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, Okay, correct,
especially when they're bringing active charges against somebody. She played
with fire and now she's seeing that can go both ways.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And again I would love team see if there's been
any questioning. Of course, there probably hasn't because the New
York media is mostly left wing. But I'm surprised there
hasn't been more discussion about how Letitia James can stay
in office given that she has felony charges against her.
I mean, judges would typically have to recuse themselves from
(11:49):
any sort of judicial proceeding if they were facing felony charges.
How can Leticia James stay in the office of New
York Ag. Now, the answer is politically, this might actually
be good for right because it elevates her profile and
in the left, if you're fighting Trump. I was laughing
when Trump said, hey, we should arrest JB. Pritzker that
Gavin Newsom has to be so mad. You know, Gavin Newsom's.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Like, why won't he say he has to arrest me?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know, like Gavin Newsom is probably throwing his wine
glass against the wall when he saw the JB. Pritzker
and Brandon Johnson are getting threatened with arrest over ice
and not him. But in all honesty, I'm gonna you know,
I'll tweet this out, but I haven't seen anybody asking
that question. It feels like a no brainer that she
would have to immediately step down as New York Attorney General.
You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones
(12:37):
that you are facing from a fellow.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Here's here's where my guests claim I have to look
at the New York state laws about this. But my
guess is that like a judge recusing himself for herself,
there's some degree of it's like up to the person
unless they get maybe pressured from the legislature in New
York State that hey, look, you either can step aside
(13:02):
or will remove you. And I just think that she'll
be able to Again, I'm totally spitballing here, but my
sense is she will be able to rely on the
anti Trump lunacy of any Democrats. Of course, the New
York State Assembly is Democrat and the governor is a Democrat,
so there won't be pressure on her, I think, from
(13:22):
her own party in New.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
York State to step aside. So unless there's clear.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, written out law that you must, which I
don't think there is, or we would have already heard
about it, she'll be able to ride this out in
office until the actual trial happens. That's my Do you
agree with that or you see that going a different way?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I mean, I'm working through in my head the legal
ethics morass, for lack of a better way to describe it,
on who lawyers can represent is enough to make your
eyeballs roll back into your head. The conflicts and the
withdrawals and the mandatory aspects of things.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Do you think she stays in office or not?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think that she has to. I'm gonna send this
tweet out, but I think she has to step down.
I don't you will, well, I understand it, and again pull.
This is political versus legal, which is too different fronts.
Like we told, So that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There's probably a good faith Oh, you should recuse yourself
in the in the ethics, uh, you know the written
ethics about the Attorney Genteral for New York. But my
guess is it's not an automatic. And if it's not
an automatic, then it relies on pressure from other Democrats
who can I'm sure you know she could be fired
by the by the governor, she could be removed from office.
(14:38):
I'm sure by the state legislature. There's processes in place
usually for things like that. Clay, I don't think they're
going to do that. I think they're gonna let her
fight this thing out and see how it goes with
a jury.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's my guess. We'll see.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
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Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, welcome back ed Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. If
you're wondering how they talked about Leticia James being indicted
by a federal grand jury for mortgage fraud. CNN's Casey
Hunt Cassie Hunt, I'm not sure how you pronounce it, Casey.
Is it Casey Casey? Casey Hunt said, this is no
big deal. Everybody commits mortgage fraud. This is I appreciate
(17:08):
her honesty.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Maybe you don't want to admit that. On the air, Casey,
here's cut sixteen.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Tis James.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
And again we're still getting the details. But if it's
related to this mortgage issue, I mean, this is something
that everyone in America, or many people at least, if
you're lucky enough to be able to buy a house
in America, you deal with this right. The federal government
doesn't go after all of these people for doing this.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Is an amazing line. Everybody commits mortgage fraud. I love
that she threw in there. If you're lucky enough to
have a home, I.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Don't think so.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I mean, my mortgage is not that complicated. It was
very simple.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well, there's a very clear box that you check that
says is this for your home to live in or
something else? And there's also all this stuff that says
make sure you read this and that you know that
you are basically signing an under oath document for all
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welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we
had that big news yesterday that we've been discussing on
the show Their Care, and that.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Is the reality of an indictment now not only of
James Comy, which we have discussed, but an indictment of
Letitia James.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
These are people who weaponize the law, and these are
people who, assuming the facts that are at issue are accurate,
and I haven't heard anyone say they're not broke the
law themselves.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
This is a very important principle.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
If the people enforcing the law do not have to
obey the law, we are living in a tyranny and
it only gets worse. Okay, people who are the ones
with the power to separate you from your family, take
away your freedom, force you to live in a cell,
they better damn sure one be acting in good faith
(19:50):
with the application of law, and that includes the application
of mercy when applicable, which these individuals Comy and Letitia
James did not do in various various stages, in various ways.
And they themselves better be darn sure they're not violent,
law Clay. I think this couldn't be any more clear.
It is necessary. It is necessary for some of these
(20:12):
people who weaponize the law against Trump and people in
Trump's orbit to suffer the consequences of their actions when
it comes to the law. So that's one part of
this I think is very important. Then you have here
Kamala Harris apparently reacting to the Letitia and James indictment.
This is eighteen play it look this, maybe it works before.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It gets better.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I mean, and boy, the way and We just tell
you how I was in Atlantic yesterday and said that,
and then today A learned that the attorney gentleman of
New York has got indicted, even though the prosecutor who
first looked at the case, school I'm told is a
very conservative Republican, says there was not enough evidence, and
(21:00):
then Trump puts in place.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
To make the decision.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Intens Agenda.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
She either checked the boxes she wasn't supposed to and
didn't say anything about it and didn't change this and
got the preferential loan, or she didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's very straightforward.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Not only that, and this is very important because what
both Kamala Harris and Letitia James are taking advantage of
is most people don't understand how indictments occur. Trump and
and or his attorneys right the Eastern District. I believe
of Virginia Lindsay Halligan the Grand Jurian dights. So if
(21:52):
you don't like the fact that an indictment came down,
it's ultimately not the decision of Donald Trump or Lynzy
Halligan or anyone else, it's the Grand Jerry. And again
I come back to this, and this is where honest
media would follow up with all of these statements and say,
wait a minute, this is a deep blue jurisdiction. We
(22:15):
are already fighting uphill. This is not where I am
down on the Florida Panhandle, Buck, This is not Walton County,
South Walton County.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I feel very good about the chances that you would
get an indictment in the Panhandle of Florida against Letitia
James or against James Comey. This is not Williamson County, Tennessee,
where I live, which has a seventy thirty Republican bent,
where I would not be surprised. This is deep blue
(22:49):
Northern Virginia. They are not inclined to be in favor
of Donald Trump. They are not inclined to be in
favor of Lindsay Halligan when it comes to either this
case or the James Comy case. So this is where
it gets hard, I think, for they're still trying to
argue it. Even James, I treat my body like an
(23:10):
amusement park. Jeffrey, Sorry, I treat my body like an
amusement park. On Zoom videos, Tubin said, I've got this cut.
This is another thing they're saying on CNN. So the
one chick, Casey Hunt was like, everybody commits mortgage fraud,
which is a very very funny take. Well, everybody commits
mortgage fraud. Jeffrey Tubin, who never pointed out Trump facing
(23:31):
charges in four different jurisdictions as being a significant cross
the Rubicon moment, says, this is unbelievable. What has happened
cut twenty. I just don't know how I like Jeffrey
Tuban buck And notwithstanding the masturbation issues, I like Jeffrey Tuban.
He is actually a very talented writer. The People versus
OJ Simpson is one of the great true crime trial
(23:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
If you like Jeffrey Tuban.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I think you respect some of his ability, but you
don't respect his lack of self control.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That is well said. But what I'm saying is he
is not an unintelligent lawyer. So I don't understand. You know,
Alan Dershowitz. You might disagree with Alan Dershowitz. He's been
on this program quite a lot. He is traditionally a
man of the left, but he stands on principle. Sometimes
that means he's defending Trump, and even in Martha's Vineyard,
that means they won't feed him. You see the videos
(24:24):
that went viral over the summer where I think it
was a Perogi stand WoT wouldn't feed him, wouldn't sell
him Perogi's I think it was. I bet who knows.
Maybe Alan Dershowitz's roommate also taught him about the defining
finer delicacies of Polish sausage. But here is Jeffrey Tubin
reacting and saying, this is just so utterly chilling cut twenty.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
What is so chilling about this case is that ever
since Watergate, presidents have imposed on themselves the rule that
they do not interfere in criminal press executions, much less
demand them.
Speaker 10 (25:02):
But here you have a demanded.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
Prosecution and one that the career people in the Eastern
District of Virginia thought was an unworthy case. That's a
really chilling example of how the criminal justice system is
not supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Okay, again, why would Jeffrey Tuban not say the grand
jury made this decision. I don't have any problem with
Trump saying I think to the first part is this
is just another example of lawyers being wrong. And there
are a lot of lawyers who are wrong about a
lot of cases. Trust me. Lindsay Holligan goes in there
(25:39):
and gets grand jury indictments against James Comy and against
by the way, James Kobe's brother in law in the office.
You think he might have had an impact in whether
there were charges being brought. And now she gets indictments
against Leticia James. It's actually a sign that she's doing
a good job. But again, the grand jury puts down
the indictments, not Trump or his.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I know, but you know, you're you're focusing Clay on
the process part of this, which as a lawyer, I understand.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
What about the did she do it or not? Right?
No one's saying she didn't do this thing. Yeah, and
it's a very straightforward thing.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know, we shold you on this program that she
was going to be indicted because I looked at this
evidence and I said, this is not complicated. I said
it on the show five months ago or whenever this broke,
I said, I think she's going to get indicted.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
If Letitia James was caught driving one hundred and twenty
miles an hour in a thirty five okay and was
arrested for that, they can say, oh the blah blah,
you know it's Trump and the deep state is whatever
they want. Did she do the thing or not? Did
she break the law or not? And you're noticing, no
(26:48):
one is. All they're doing is saying prosecutors, other prosecutors
looked at this, and Trump is so bad and all
this other stuff. Did she do the thing that this
grand jury apparently thinks it's very possible she did do
and which is a very straightforward act. Did she lie
on this form to get a preferential loan. I've already
(27:09):
said I think that these laws are too harsh and absurd,
but this is what the law is. She used it
against Trump. She has to sleep in the bed that
she has made over and over here. You know, I
just no one's even trying to say she didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a great point.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
And again we told you the evidence suggests that she
did it, and this is not a very complicated case.
And she will get an opportunity to defend herself in
a court of law. And she's entitled to a presumption
of innocence like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
She's not entitled to remain the chief.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Law enforcement officer of the state of New York though,
and that is where this story, in my opinion, should go.
In addition to the question of whether she's guilty or innocence,
I'm telling you she's down. Step down. She's not going
to step down. It's not going to happen. No way,
no way, shouldn't be even buck. I'm telling you when
I said in the legal ethics courses that we all
(28:00):
had to pass, I'm telling you my eyes rolled back
into my head because I'm like, nobody loves to self
uh self, mythologize more than lawyers.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And what are our ethics and what is our duty
beund obligation? And what these people have no ethics? She
has no ethics. She run around saying I'm going to
ruin Donald Trump. She broke some of.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
The most red bright, red line ethics of a prosecutor.
She did the show me the man, I'll show you
the crime.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
She is the worst.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So I don't I don't disagree with all of that,
but I think there has to be something statutorily, from
a long time ago, maybe in New York law. I
don't understand how you tell there's fell charges. I just
think people are moron. I just think people are morons.
And nobody actually thinks the next step buck. They disbarred
(28:53):
Rudy Juliani in New York and I think in DC
for just asking questions in public forums, and they bankrupted him.
They took away his law license, you know. With Bill Clinton,
I mean, let's use a Democrat. They took away Bill
Clinton's law license in Arkansas over the impeachment proceedings and
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lying under oath and all those things.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He also broke. He also very clearly broke the law.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes, agreed, but he wasn't the chief law enforcement officer
of Arkansas. So she actually has a higher standard as
a warrior of behavior and of ethics. Look, I'm just
saying if you were, I don't know if i'd say
that as an ag I think she does because from
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the president of the United States I think of the
executive branch, and is also a lawyer himself. By the way,
we could debate that another time based on the fact
that she is the chief law enforcement officer from a
legal perspective. I'm not talking about from like a power
perspective like Pam Bondi as a lawyer, has ethical obligations
(30:02):
that Donald Trump, as a non lawyer, does not. Right
and so I look at this and say, this is
not a tough case. Again, Buck, just think about this.
If you were charged right now in the state of
New York with mortgage fraud or with lying on a
bank form, your immediate response is going to be, how
can I be prosecuted by someone who is also facing
(30:23):
these same felony charges. She's conflicted, and I think the
courts would look at this and say, yeah, this is
a mess.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
But counselor, you're stating facts, not an evidence.
Speaker 11 (30:32):
Here.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
With New York state law, like, there is nothing to
make her step down other than it's really gross and
obviously she should and that is nowhere near enough to
make her step down.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, all right, I have some faith still in the
legal community. I'm actually going to reach out to a
bunch of experts in the law and ethics and see
what their take is on this. But I will say
here's what I would agree with you on. Much as
we said, President Trump faced a two fronted war. There
(31:11):
was the legal attack against him, which was its own story,
and then there was the political attack against him, which
was its own story as well. Letitia James politically benefits
from these charges. I really do agree with you on that,
because New York is so crazy and anti Trump in
many parts.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So can I give you the process.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
By the way, the process for removing the Attorney General
in New York is at the recommendation. I knew it
was going to be something like this, Right, every state
of Tennessee has its own version of this.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know, it might be different, might be similar.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
At the recommendation of the governor, a Democrat, and then
at the action of the state Senate, controlled by Democrats,
the ag can be removed.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I want every defense attorney out there, any of your
clients facing felony charges. I want to actually see how
this works in the court proceedings. How can Letitia James,
who is facing her own felony charges, prosecute your clients
who are facing their own felony charges. I actually think
that's a tough putt for the State of New York
(32:17):
to sink. Now, maybe she recuses from all criminal prosecutions,
but she's still making decisions. She is the chief law
enforcement officer of the State of New York. If they
indicted Pam Bondibuck, I don't think Pam Bondy would be
able to stay as the Attorney General of the United States. Now,
this is messy, but Tis James has made quite a
(32:40):
mess for herself with all the alleged lies that she
has told in order to get preferential treatment on her mortgages.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show appreciate all
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been speaking out much more aggressively in the second Trump term.
This happened, she says, Eight Ukrainian children have been reunited
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with their families after ongoing talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
This is the first, Lady cut thirty two just happened
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Speaker 10 (35:14):
Much has unfolded since President Putin received my letter last August.
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me directly and outlining details regarding the Ukrainian children residing
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(35:38):
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My representative has been working directly with President Putin's team
to ensure the same unification of children with their families
between Russia and Ukraine. In fact, eight children have been
(36:23):
rejoined with their families during the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I mean, good for Milania Trump. Isn't it interesting all
of the things that Trump is doing and now Milania
as well, that are just basic, good, human, decent things
to do. They're stacking together a lot of good. We'll
talk about this and more in talking about bad. By
the way, how about Democrat Governor Abigail Spanburger candidate.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
She was awful last night.
Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of The Clay
Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I am in a great
mood today, Clay, because I am finally home after almost
two and a half weeks of travel. Saw Ginger Spice
by the front door. It's not that she's the most important,
it's just that she's the fastest on four legs.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You came off and gave me a big hello.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This morning, I saw my beautiful wife, Carrie, my adorable baby,
and I'm finally home, So yay for that.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Also, some really good news for the whole world.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The truce goes into effect between Israel and Hamas, so
that's great news. And President Trump deserved so much credit
on this, so much so that even some of his
adversaries and enemies.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Are saying, yeah, that is a pretty good one. Tells you.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think all you need to know, But let me
tell you what else you need to know. For the
show today, we have Jason Miaris, the Attorney General of Virginia,
and he's going to talk about this other guy who
wants to be in a attorney general for the state
of Virginia who had some text messages released that were
not good talk about that. The Virginia race also getting
(01:08):
a lot of attention because of the debate. We are
going to take you right into this. Allison spam Berger
span Berger, whatever abig I said, Abigail didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I I think you said Alison, but I think it's whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I actually didn't mean to do that, but it's the same.
The point is nobody knows that Berger is her last name.
You got that part right, I got that part right.
The whole thing is, who are you voting for? Anas
the Democrats is a woman. What does she stand for?
Nobody really knows, and that's the whole game. Well, they
tried that on the debate stage and it didn't work
out well for her. One of the worst debate performances
(01:49):
I've seen in a well, very long time. Not quite
Joe Biden level debate performance, but pretty terrible. So we
will play some of the low light of that for
you and I am looking forward to it. Also, our
friend Jack Carr, former Navy seal, author of the Terminalist series,
and he's got the series on Amazon right now. Black Wolf.
(02:14):
It's awesome, it's doing great stuff. It's actually worth watching
everybody on Like a lot of stuff you see on
the streaming services, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Talk to him. But Clay, oh my. Right after we
got off.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The show yesterday, the news came out that New York
State's Attorney General, Leticia James, has been indicted for mortgage fraud.
Here is what she has to say about this clip
thirteen hit it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's
desperate weaponization of our justice system. He's forcing federal law
enforcement agencies to do his bidding all because I did
my job as a New York State attorney general. He's
charged as a baseless and the president's own public statements
make clear that his only goal is political retribution at
(03:04):
any cost.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Claire, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'm
sure you will too. I want to start with this one.
The charges aren't baseless. I mean, you know, you could
say a lot about it. And I actually believe that
some of these laws, and specifically mortgage fraud, unless it's
systematic and intentional and overall large.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mean, the mortgage fraud laws are need to be reformed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I will say that, but that doesn't change the fact
that she's an attorney general put other people in prison
for mortgage fraud. Had no problem with it. Used statutes
in ways they never had been used before to try
to bankrupt Donald Trump. But let's just look at it
this way, Clay. She broke the law based on the allegations.
Unless the facts are in dispute here, which they don't seem.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
To be, she broke the law.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, I would go back to the same thing I
said when James Comey was indicted.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
This was a grand jury.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
This was a grand jury in a northern Virginia I
believe Alexandria as well courtroom. So what I would ask
Letitia James if she were on the radio with us
right now we played that clip, is why did the
grand jury get it wrong? Because you can say, oh,
(04:18):
Trump is going after his political adversaries, but it requires
that a grand jury agreed that there is a legitimate
basis for these charges to be brought. And that is
not a grand jury of your or mine. Peers Buck,
this is not where I live in Nashville, Tennessee area.
(04:38):
This is not where you live in the Miami, Florida area.
This is among the best possible grand jury pools that
Leticia James could have. They probably voted as a group
seventy thirty Biden seventy thirty Kamala, and they are looking
at all this evidence and they are saying, we think
(04:58):
Letitia James broke the wall law. I will say this,
it's another one we got right. This is not a
very complicated case because everybody has to fill out these forms.
And if you are a lawyer and you are in
charge of enforcing the law in one of the biggest
states in the country, I think a lot of people
(05:18):
out there do not give you the benefit of the
doubt if there are parts of the mortgage application that
are wrong that are favorable to you. This is not
your average guy or gal out there who's running through
a mortgage form as fast as they can. When you
pass a bar exam and when you are charged with
(05:39):
enforcing the law for again, one of the biggest states
in the country, I think that you have a higher
standard of expecting to understand what you are filling out
when it comes to mortgages. And so I think that
she's in a tough spot. And of course this is
a delicious irony as it were, because she went after
(05:59):
Trump for alleged fraud when it came to the loan
proceedings that he was able to get relating to his
assets and the loans that he had repaid. And so
this is based on a property that she owns in
Virginia that evidently she has lied about what it's being
used for.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, yeah, she said that she had two primary residences
and the word primary is a problem for her.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
There.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Everybody knows what that means. You can't have two primary residences.
And Clay beyond that. So there's the facts of this
which are very straightforward. And I'm sorry, but if you're
the Attorney General of New York, to Clay's point, you
should understand the law really better than anybody and should
be held to a standard that you've held everyday Americans to.
(06:43):
It's a very straightforward question. Have people gone to prison
for mortgage fraud like this in New York State? With
Tiss James overseeing the prosecutorial offices that do this because
it's all federal, The.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So if somebody can go to prison for this, she
can go to prison for this. And people might say, oh,
that's harsh. Well, to that, I say, it is harsh,
But either the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under
the laws they use against us. Or we are in
a tyranny, my friends. The law either applies to everyone
or should apply to no one. And by the way,
here she is, this is cut fourteen ye, making that
(07:19):
very point, Clay play it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The president of these United States is not above the law.
No matter how rich, powerful, or politically connected you are.
Everyone must play by the same rules. Please see him
for us.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
She said, everyone has to played by the same rules.
Looks like she broke the rules according to this grand jury.
She certainly did, I mean, Clay. Also, if she didn't
do this, this wouldn't be where it is. This is
a very straightforward crime. This is in fact the crime
that they try to get the corrupt congressman in the
show the Wire on and they and they call it
(08:00):
at that time the quote headshot because you can go
away for years based on mortgage fraud.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, she's facing up to thirty years in prison now again, which.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Is insane, Which is insane, And we can all, by
the way, we can all agree that's insane. But change
the laws, everybody. These some of these federal laws are absurd.
It should only be you know, multiple counts, accounts systemic,
essentially a Rico situation, like if you did this fifty times. Okay, yeah,
you should face maybe thirty years. I know she'll only
probably get if she's found guilty six months or something.
(08:30):
But again, James Comy, we're seeing a pattern here. Comy
sent Martha Stewart to prison for a little fib that
didn't matter. Comy told a little fib too. Guess what
more significantly too. I don't know how she remains the
New York Attorney General. If you are the chief law
enforcement officer of a state and you are facing felony charges,
(08:52):
I don't understand how you remain in that position. And
she's benefited because she's in a blue state. But there
have been disbarment proceedings brought against Trump related officials who
have law degrees for far less than felony mortgage charges.
So my question would be for everybody out there listening
(09:14):
on WR and all over the state of New York,
and this would be a question that I think Kathy
Hokle should have to answer. How can you have a chief.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Law enforcement officer of the State of New York who
is under federal indictment for mortgage fraud executing the executing
the office of New York Attorney general, because look, Buck,
she's prosecuting people right now for the crime that she
has been indicted for in Virginia. That feels to me
(09:44):
to be untenable. I think she's going to have to
step down, And I'm surprised that more people aren't already
raising this as an issue, because again, when you are
the chief law enforcement official of a state and you
are facing felony charges, how in the world can you
be expected to be a fair and impartial ruler of
(10:06):
the law when you're prosecuting people for felony charges that
you yourself face. That seems like a tough putt to say.
It's a huge problem, a huge problem, and there's more
irony here. There's a lot of irony in this whole situation.
Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly,
but to bankrupt hundreds of millions of dollars worth of
this to bankrupt the Trump organization, even though the banks
(10:27):
involved them said it was great, we would do it again.
There was no problem here, what are you taught? And
her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to say
that mar A Lago is worth sixteen million dollars or something.
This is truly bonkers. Nobody would ever say that. But
beyond that, Clay she's gonna I mentioned Clay Davis, who's
(10:48):
actually the guy, a different Clay, the guy from the
wire who is prosecuted for mortgage fraud. That's how they
get the politician and what he's he do. He appeals
to the jury on sort of purely emotional political grounds.
He really goes for jury nullification. Here is Leticia James.
This is just a quick one. This cut fifteen. She
told everybody she was going after Trump for political reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It's important that everyone understand that the days of Donald
Trump are coming to an end.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, Okay, correct,
especially when they're bringing active charges against somebody. She played
with fire and now she's seeing that can go both ways.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And again I would love team see if there's been
any questioning. Of course, there probably hasn't because the New
York media is mostly left wing. But I'm surprised there
hasn't been more discussion about how Letitia James can stay
in office given that she has felony charges against her.
I mean, judges would typically have to recuse themselves from
(11:49):
any sort of judicial proceeding if they were facing felony charges.
How can Leticia James stay in the office of New
York Ag. Now, the answer is politically, this might actually
be good for right because it elevates her profile and
in the left, if you're fighting Trump. I was laughing
when Trump said, hey, we should arrest JB. Pritzker that
Gavin Newsom has to be so mad. You know, Gavin Newsom's.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Like, why won't he say he has to arrest me?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know, like Gavin Newsom is probably throwing his wine
glass against the wall when he saw the JB. Pritzker
and Brandon Johnson are getting threatened with arrest over ice
and not him. But in all honesty, I'm gonna you know,
I'll tweet this out, but I haven't seen anybody asking
that question. It feels like a no brainer that she
would have to immediately step down as New York Attorney General.
You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones
(12:37):
that you are facing from a fellow.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Here's here's where my guests claim I have to look
at the New York state laws about this. But my
guess is that like a judge recusing himself for herself,
there's some degree of it's like up to the person
unless they get maybe pressured from the legislature in New
York State that hey, look, you either can step aside
(13:02):
or will remove you. And I just think that she'll
be able to Again, I'm totally spitballing here, but my
sense is she will be able to rely on the
anti Trump lunacy of any Democrats. Of course, the New
York State Assembly is Democrat and the governor is a Democrat,
so there won't be pressure on her, I think, from
(13:22):
her own party in New.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
York State to step aside. So unless there's clear.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, written out law that you must, which I
don't think there is, or we would have already heard
about it, she'll be able to ride this out in
office until the actual trial happens. That's my Do you
agree with that or you see that going a different way?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I mean, I'm working through in my head the legal
ethics morass, for lack of a better way to describe it,
on who lawyers can represent is enough to make your
eyeballs roll back into your head. The conflicts and the
withdrawals and the mandatory aspects of things.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Do you think she stays in office or not?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think that she has to. I'm gonna send this
tweet out, but I think she has to step down.
I don't you will, well, I understand it, and again pull.
This is political versus legal, which is too different fronts.
Like we told, So that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There's probably a good faith Oh, you should recuse yourself
in the in the ethics, uh, you know the written
ethics about the Attorney Genteral for New York. But my
guess is it's not an automatic. And if it's not
an automatic, then it relies on pressure from other Democrats
who can I'm sure you know she could be fired
by the by the governor, she could be removed from office.
(14:38):
I'm sure by the state legislature. There's processes in place
usually for things like that. Clay, I don't think they're
going to do that. I think they're gonna let her
fight this thing out and see how it goes with
a jury.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's my guess. We'll see.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
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Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, welcome back ed Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. If
you're wondering how they talked about Leticia James being indicted
by a federal grand jury for mortgage fraud. CNN's Casey
Hunt Cassie Hunt, I'm not sure how you pronounce it, Casey.
Is it Casey Casey? Casey Hunt said, this is no
big deal. Everybody commits mortgage fraud. This is I appreciate
(17:08):
her honesty.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Maybe you don't want to admit that. On the air, Casey,
here's cut sixteen.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Tis James.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
And again we're still getting the details. But if it's
related to this mortgage issue, I mean, this is something
that everyone in America, or many people at least, if
you're lucky enough to be able to buy a house
in America, you deal with this right. The federal government
doesn't go after all of these people for doing this.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Is an amazing line. Everybody commits mortgage fraud. I love
that she threw in there. If you're lucky enough to
have a home, I.
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Don't think so.
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I mean, my mortgage is not that complicated. It was
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Well, there's a very clear box that you check that
says is this for your home to live in or
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make sure you read this and that you know that
you are basically signing an under oath document for all
sense and purposes. You can think an attorney general of
a major state would know anyway. Free speech is very
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had that big news yesterday that we've been discussing on
the show Their Care, and that.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Is the reality of an indictment now not only of
James Comy, which we have discussed, but an indictment of
Letitia James.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
These are people who weaponize the law, and these are
people who, assuming the facts that are at issue are accurate,
and I haven't heard anyone say they're not broke the
law themselves.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
This is a very important principle.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
If the people enforcing the law do not have to
obey the law, we are living in a tyranny and
it only gets worse. Okay, people who are the ones
with the power to separate you from your family, take
away your freedom, force you to live in a cell,
they better damn sure one be acting in good faith
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with the application of law, and that includes the application
of mercy when applicable, which these individuals Comy and Letitia
James did not do in various various stages, in various ways.
And they themselves better be darn sure they're not violent,
law Clay. I think this couldn't be any more clear.
It is necessary. It is necessary for some of these
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people who weaponize the law against Trump and people in
Trump's orbit to suffer the consequences of their actions when
it comes to the law. So that's one part of
this I think is very important. Then you have here
Kamala Harris apparently reacting to the Letitia and James indictment.
This is eighteen play it look this, maybe it works before.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It gets better.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I mean, and boy, the way and We just tell
you how I was in Atlantic yesterday and said that,
and then today A learned that the attorney gentleman of
New York has got indicted, even though the prosecutor who
first looked at the case, school I'm told is a
very conservative Republican, says there was not enough evidence, and
(21:00):
then Trump puts in place.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
To make the decision.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Intens Agenda.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
She either checked the boxes she wasn't supposed to and
didn't say anything about it and didn't change this and
got the preferential loan, or she didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's very straightforward.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Not only that, and this is very important because what
both Kamala Harris and Letitia James are taking advantage of
is most people don't understand how indictments occur. Trump and
and or his attorneys right the Eastern District. I believe
of Virginia Lindsay Halligan the Grand Jurian dights. So if
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you don't like the fact that an indictment came down,
it's ultimately not the decision of Donald Trump or Lynzy
Halligan or anyone else, it's the Grand Jerry. And again
I come back to this, and this is where honest
media would follow up with all of these statements and say,
wait a minute, this is a deep blue jurisdiction. We
(22:15):
are already fighting uphill. This is not where I am
down on the Florida Panhandle, Buck, This is not Walton County,
South Walton County.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I feel very good about the chances that you would
get an indictment in the Panhandle of Florida against Letitia
James or against James Comey. This is not Williamson County, Tennessee,
where I live, which has a seventy thirty Republican bent,
where I would not be surprised. This is deep blue
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Northern Virginia. They are not inclined to be in favor
of Donald Trump. They are not inclined to be in
favor of Lindsay Halligan when it comes to either this
case or the James Comy case. So this is where
it gets hard, I think, for they're still trying to
argue it. Even James, I treat my body like an
(23:10):
amusement park. Jeffrey, Sorry, I treat my body like an
amusement park. On Zoom videos, Tubin said, I've got this cut.
This is another thing they're saying on CNN. So the
one chick, Casey Hunt was like, everybody commits mortgage fraud,
which is a very very funny take. Well, everybody commits
mortgage fraud. Jeffrey Tubin, who never pointed out Trump facing
(23:31):
charges in four different jurisdictions as being a significant cross
the Rubicon moment, says, this is unbelievable. What has happened
cut twenty. I just don't know how I like Jeffrey
Tuban buck And notwithstanding the masturbation issues, I like Jeffrey Tuban.
He is actually a very talented writer. The People versus
OJ Simpson is one of the great true crime trial
(23:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
If you like Jeffrey Tuban.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I think you respect some of his ability, but you
don't respect his lack of self control.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That is well said. But what I'm saying is he
is not an unintelligent lawyer. So I don't understand. You know,
Alan Dershowitz. You might disagree with Alan Dershowitz. He's been
on this program quite a lot. He is traditionally a
man of the left, but he stands on principle. Sometimes
that means he's defending Trump, and even in Martha's Vineyard,
that means they won't feed him. You see the videos
(24:24):
that went viral over the summer where I think it
was a Perogi stand WoT wouldn't feed him, wouldn't sell
him Perogi's I think it was. I bet who knows.
Maybe Alan Dershowitz's roommate also taught him about the defining
finer delicacies of Polish sausage. But here is Jeffrey Tubin
reacting and saying, this is just so utterly chilling cut twenty.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
What is so chilling about this case is that ever
since Watergate, presidents have imposed on themselves the rule that
they do not interfere in criminal press executions, much less
demand them.
Speaker 10 (25:02):
But here you have a demanded.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
Prosecution and one that the career people in the Eastern
District of Virginia thought was an unworthy case. That's a
really chilling example of how the criminal justice system is
not supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Okay, again, why would Jeffrey Tuban not say the grand
jury made this decision. I don't have any problem with
Trump saying I think to the first part is this
is just another example of lawyers being wrong. And there
are a lot of lawyers who are wrong about a
lot of cases. Trust me. Lindsay Holligan goes in there
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and gets grand jury indictments against James Comy and against
by the way, James Kobe's brother in law in the office.
You think he might have had an impact in whether
there were charges being brought. And now she gets indictments
against Leticia James. It's actually a sign that she's doing
a good job. But again, the grand jury puts down
the indictments, not Trump or his.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I know, but you know, you're you're focusing Clay on
the process part of this, which as a lawyer, I understand.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
What about the did she do it or not? Right?
No one's saying she didn't do this thing. Yeah, and
it's a very straightforward thing.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know, we shold you on this program that she
was going to be indicted because I looked at this
evidence and I said, this is not complicated. I said
it on the show five months ago or whenever this broke,
I said, I think she's going to get indicted.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
If Letitia James was caught driving one hundred and twenty
miles an hour in a thirty five okay and was
arrested for that, they can say, oh the blah blah,
you know it's Trump and the deep state is whatever
they want. Did she do the thing or not? Did
she break the law or not? And you're noticing, no
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one is. All they're doing is saying prosecutors, other prosecutors
looked at this, and Trump is so bad and all
this other stuff. Did she do the thing that this
grand jury apparently thinks it's very possible she did do
and which is a very straightforward act. Did she lie
on this form to get a preferential loan. I've already
(27:09):
said I think that these laws are too harsh and absurd,
but this is what the law is. She used it
against Trump. She has to sleep in the bed that
she has made over and over here. You know, I
just no one's even trying to say she didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a great point.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
And again we told you the evidence suggests that she
did it, and this is not a very complicated case.
And she will get an opportunity to defend herself in
a court of law. And she's entitled to a presumption
of innocence like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
She's not entitled to remain the chief.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Law enforcement officer of the state of New York though,
and that is where this story, in my opinion, should go.
In addition to the question of whether she's guilty or innocence,
I'm telling you she's down. Step down. She's not going
to step down. It's not going to happen. No way,
no way, shouldn't be even buck. I'm telling you when
I said in the legal ethics courses that we all
(28:00):
had to pass, I'm telling you my eyes rolled back
into my head because I'm like, nobody loves to self
uh self, mythologize more than lawyers.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And what are our ethics and what is our duty
beund obligation? And what these people have no ethics? She
has no ethics. She run around saying I'm going to
ruin Donald Trump. She broke some of.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
The most red bright, red line ethics of a prosecutor.
She did the show me the man, I'll show you
the crime.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
She is the worst.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So I don't I don't disagree with all of that,
but I think there has to be something statutorily, from
a long time ago, maybe in New York law. I
don't understand how you tell there's fell charges. I just
think people are moron. I just think people are morons.
And nobody actually thinks the next step buck. They disbarred
(28:53):
Rudy Juliani in New York and I think in DC
for just asking questions in public forums, and they bankrupted him.
They took away his law license, you know. With Bill Clinton,
I mean, let's use a Democrat. They took away Bill
Clinton's law license in Arkansas over the impeachment proceedings and
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lying under oath and all those things.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He also broke. He also very clearly broke the law.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes, agreed, but he wasn't the chief law enforcement officer
of Arkansas. So she actually has a higher standard as
a warrior of behavior and of ethics. Look, I'm just
saying if you were, I don't know if i'd say
that as an ag I think she does because from
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the president of the United States I think of the
executive branch, and is also a lawyer himself. By the way,
we could debate that another time based on the fact
that she is the chief law enforcement officer from a
legal perspective. I'm not talking about from like a power
perspective like Pam Bondi as a lawyer, has ethical obligations
(30:02):
that Donald Trump, as a non lawyer, does not. Right
and so I look at this and say, this is
not a tough case. Again, Buck, just think about this.
If you were charged right now in the state of
New York with mortgage fraud or with lying on a
bank form, your immediate response is going to be, how
can I be prosecuted by someone who is also facing
(30:23):
these same felony charges. She's conflicted, and I think the
courts would look at this and say, yeah, this is
a mess.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
But counselor, you're stating facts, not an evidence.
Speaker 11 (30:32):
Here.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
With New York state law, like, there is nothing to
make her step down other than it's really gross and
obviously she should and that is nowhere near enough to
make her step down.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, all right, I have some faith still in the
legal community. I'm actually going to reach out to a
bunch of experts in the law and ethics and see
what their take is on this. But I will say
here's what I would agree with you on. Much as
we said, President Trump faced a two fronted war. There
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was the legal attack against him, which was its own story,
and then there was the political attack against him, which
was its own story as well. Letitia James politically benefits
from these charges. I really do agree with you on that,
because New York is so crazy and anti Trump in
many parts.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So can I give you the process.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
By the way, the process for removing the Attorney General
in New York is at the recommendation. I knew it
was going to be something like this, Right, every state
of Tennessee has its own version of this.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know, it might be different, might be similar.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
At the recommendation of the governor, a Democrat, and then
at the action of the state Senate, controlled by Democrats,
the ag can be removed.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I want every defense attorney out there, any of your
clients facing felony charges. I want to actually see how
this works in the court proceedings. How can Letitia James,
who is facing her own felony charges, prosecute your clients
who are facing their own felony charges. I actually think
that's a tough putt for the State of New York
(32:17):
to sink. Now, maybe she recuses from all criminal prosecutions,
but she's still making decisions. She is the chief law
enforcement officer of the State of New York. If they
indicted Pam Bondibuck, I don't think Pam Bondy would be
able to stay as the Attorney General of the United States. Now,
this is messy, but Tis James has made quite a
(32:40):
mess for herself with all the alleged lies that she
has told in order to get preferential treatment on her mortgages.
You know what's not a mess the start of our
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Melania Trump just had
a press availability. She has gotten more involved and has
been speaking out much more aggressively in the second Trump term.
This happened, she says, Eight Ukrainian children have been reunited
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with their families after ongoing talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
This is the first, Lady cut thirty two just happened
a little bit ago.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
Much has unfolded since President Putin received my letter last August.
He responded in writing, signaling a willingness to engage with
me directly and outlining details regarding the Ukrainian children residing
in Russia. And since then Resident Putin and I have
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good faith. We have agreed to cooperate with each other
(36:00):
for the benefit of all people involved in this war.
My representative has been working directly with President Putin's team
to ensure the same unification of children with their families
between Russia and Ukraine. In fact, eight children have been
(36:23):
rejoined with their families during the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I mean, good for Milania Trump. Isn't it interesting all
of the things that Trump is doing and now Milania
as well, that are just basic, good, human, decent things
to do. They're stacking together a lot of good. We'll
talk about this and more in talking about bad. By
the way, how about Democrat Governor Abigail Spanburger candidate.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
She was awful last night.
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