March 26, 2025 • 36 mins
The show kicked off with a discussion about the recent Signal chat controversy involving high-level national security officials. The hosts argued that the situation is being blown out of proportion and emphasized that no classified information was shared. They also touched on the downfall of Disney's Snow White remake and the controversy surrounding Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett's comments about Governor Abbott, who is wheelchair-bound. The hosts found her explanation for calling him "Hot Wheels" unconvincing and discussed the broader implications of her remarks. The conversation then shifted to the role of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the recent comments by Tulsi Gabbard regarding the Signal chat incident. The hosts debated the significance of the mistake and the potential political motivations behind the story's release. They also speculated on the possibility of other Signal chats being compromised and the overall security protocols in place for such communications. Finally, the hosts discussed the public's reaction to the Signal chat story, noting that it seems to be more of a political hit than a genuine national security concern. They argued that the average American is unlikely to be deeply concerned about the incident and that it will likely fade from the news cycle soon. The hour wrapped up with a light-hearted discussion about Hot Wheels toys and a preview of upcoming topics, including an interview with Bill O'Reilly.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now a lot to talk to you about. Thanks for
joining us here. We've got we got more on this
whole signal chat thing.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Will work you through some of this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think increasingly clear that they're making a mountain out
of a molehill a tempest than a teapot. It's one
thing to say, Okay, it's not great, we got to
fix this. It's another thing to say, oh my gosh,
how could we ever ever trust these people ever again?
That they just hate Trump and everybody who works for them,
(00:35):
So we have to keep that in mind. We will
discuss though the latest details that more chat isn't interesting.
Claim a day ago Jeffrey Goldberg is, oh, I don't
know if I can release this stuff, it's so sensitive.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And then he releases it today.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
What a big surprise, almost like this is all a
political hit and not really having anything to do with
national security, which I will also point out was not
harmed in this. I talked to you yesterday about the
classification system and how it is all built upon perceived
possible harm like Top Secret would be grave, grave damage
(01:09):
to US national security interests. Confidential is moderate damage to
US national security interests. It's an imprecise thing. This is
more art than science in a lot of ways. But well,
we'll give you the details on this, because I don't
want your angry neighbor when you're trimming the hedges or
whatever or mowing the law and to be able to shadow.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Did you see about the signal chat and you're like, no,
I didn't see. We'll tell you about it so you'll know.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Also, we are enjoying the spectacular downfall of Disney with
more from the snow White megaflop that is underway right now.
The IMDb ratings, the finger pointing has begun, Clay about
who is to blame for this thing to be such
a mess, So that is to be something that we
(01:58):
will dive into. And then we've got a Congresswoman Jasmine
Crockett play I'm sure you saw this after calling Governor
Abbott hot wheels. Governor Abbot, who is wheelchair bound because
of a tragic accident, has been for I don't know
fifty years, forty years now. She says that she was
(02:19):
not referring to him in a wheelchair, that that had
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
That's first of all, I admired the blatant lie because
it's so ridiculous. What is her exploit? Have any I
didn't even see this? What is her explanation for what
she was referring to if she wasn't referring to him
being in a wheelchair?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Do you want me to tell you now? Or should
we keep our audience on the edge of their seats
and get you to see genuinely have no idea. I'm
curious what the spin is here. I have not seen this.
I think you'll have to stay with us to the
bottom of the hour, and I will tell you what.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It's all a good tease.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm not going to be able to leave, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I want you guys to stay with us here. Let's
start with this.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
We had the DNI Telci Gabbard, and I keep telling
you this because, as it's true, the best thing she
can do is to fix the eye of the intelligence
community to the best of her ability and then come
forward and say that there should no longer be a
DNI because they shouldn't because it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But that's not policy's fault. She's doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
She spoke this morning about the signal chat situation, and
here is what she said, play cup one.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It was a mistake that a reporter was inadvertently added
to a signal chat with high level national security principles
having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against the Huthis
and the effects of the strike. National Security Advisor has
taken full responsibility for this, and the National Security Council
is conducting an in depth review along with technical experts
(03:42):
working to determine how this reporter was inadvertently added to
this chat. The conversation was candid and sensitive, but as
the president National Security Advisor stated, no classified information was shared.
There were no sources, methods, locations, or war plans that
were shared. This was a standard update to the National
Security Cabinet that was provided alongside updates that were given
(04:06):
to foreign partners in the region.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Clay, this is an internal, senior level, a senior level
deliberation of national security officials in the government. Somehow an
American journalist got access to it, and I think it's
just an oversight in error, one that will not be replicated.
And I'm already kind of tired of talking about it,
but I just don't want to let anybody leave anybody
(04:31):
in the lurch with the ability to get attacked by
Oh but did you see the latest or did you
see more? But this is a this is a political hit.
They've had nothing to attack Trump with other than the
stock market went down today, the price of eggs is high,
and so now they're doing this. I don't think we're
talking about this by Monday of next week, and that's
the way that it should be.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So the one thing I will say is it definitely
feels more and more calculated to me the way that
this has been released, because they're trying to turn it
into a multi day story as opposed to a one
day story. So yesterday's story was, oh, my goodness, can
(05:12):
you believe this happened? I guess it was actually the
day before yesterday, right, This initially happened on Monday afternoon,
if I remember correctly. But after we were off the
air Tuesday, we talked about it, that seemed to kind
of have died down and basically ended. And then this
morning more of the text change text chain is released,
(05:33):
and I wonder if Goldberg is keeping more of the
text chain to try to have a third bite at
the apple, so to speak, to keep the story getting
a lot of attention. I think in general, the fact
that the reporter was added to the chat it makes
it look more incompetent than malicious, if that makes sense.
(05:57):
And I also think that one reason this is not
going to I agree with you in terms of how
many days it's going to go on, but one reason
it's not going to be a never ending, multi day
story is because there was no hypocrisy by and large
in what we've seen so far on the text chain
(06:17):
that was released publicly that is different than really what
people would say privately. And usually these stories blow up
in a big way when we become aware that what
was being said publicly was very different than what was
being discussed privately. And we've seen, for instance, a lot
of the emails around COVID, when you saw the scientists
(06:39):
privately expressing doubts about, for instance, the lab leak and
whether it might have happened, or whether COVID was created
in a lab as opposed to coming from an animal.
But then when they all went out in public, they
uniformly said, Oh, there's no basis whatsoever for anything other
than this one story. I do think that trumping out
(07:00):
and basically shutting it down has also gone a long
way towards towards limiting the fallout. And of anybody out there,
who do you think trust the national security experts less
than Donald Trump? Right now, after these same guys with
we talked about this, the FBI raided his house and
(07:23):
took out all these supposedly classified documents, and then we
didn't talk about it a lot. But just a few
weeks ago they gave him all back to him. Buck.
Did you notice when he was on air Force air
Force one a couple of weeks ago, but also on
Marine one, they were carrying boxes which were the papers
that they had seized that they were going to try
to put him in prison for the rest of his
(07:44):
life for having. Oh, by the way, now they've given
him back to him. I just think that that capstone
to this story did not get a lot of attention.
If these papers are so dangerous. I know, he's the
president of the United States. Again, theoretically he could declassify
anything if he wants, but I think he recognizes that
a lot of this is bureaucratic rigmarole in the way
(08:07):
that it talks. Let me also add this, I don't
think the average American cares that much, right. I think
if you're a diehard propagandist partisan on the left, you're
super fired up about this story. The average person in
America today, I don't think that there would be anyone
out there that is obsessively following this. Who is the
(08:31):
middle of the road voter or just a regular person.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the people who are particularly critical of this
in public, again, it's a mistake. There's no question they've
admitted that it's a mistake. But nothing bad happened, right,
The no harm, no foul principle should apply to things
like this, just like it does everything else in life.
The strikes happened the who thi's and if people say
(08:55):
huti and who thie? By the way, and it has
to do with the transliteration from the Arabic Modern Standard
Arabic has something closer to a th sound for English speakers,
but in the Arabic dialect, I believe in Yemen it's
more like a tea. So just if I switch back
and forth, everybody switches back and forth. Clay says hoodie,
I say houthy d and I Gabbert said huthy Because
(09:16):
I know we're.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Gonna get the pronunciation. Police. I know you're out there.
I know you're cruising.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Around with your aviators on and your State trooper hat,
you know, drinking your drinking your black coffee, and just
looking out there waiting for somebody to mess up the pronunciation.
So I am well aware of the differentiation between HOODI
and Huthy. But Clay, none of this stuff is big.
Nothing happened. Look, the problem that I have had in
(09:43):
the back of my mind with this, or the thing
that could become a problem is if Jeffrey Goldberg had
something really sensitive in there that shouldn't be in a
signal chat and they've lied about it by saying there's
nothing sensitive, and then he drops that that was my
It doesn't seem like that's going to happen right now
(10:03):
based on the chat. We've all read the chat logs
now they've been released, unless he's holding something back and
setting a trap for the people that were coming forward
to speak about this. But you know, you asked us, okay,
what what happened? The strike occurred. There's no reason to
believe the strike didn't happen exactly as planned. What's the problem, right,
I mean, you know you ask yourself that question, and
(10:25):
there's really no answer to it. Uh And and I
think that that tells you all you need to know
about this. The the I don't know how Jeffrey Goldberg
got added it. Somebody added him, Okay, like that. I
don't like being talked to like we're idiots. There's a little,
a little tiny bit of that coming around on some
of this stuff, like we don't know we need to
have the smartest tech minds. No, you guys, someone mistakenly
(10:47):
added a journalist and they meant to add somebody else.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Okay, let's not let's not do this thing.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Where is the Atlantic hacking into the Atlantic, which is
run by and and you know, full of staffed by imbeciles,
is not hacking into signal with top principles of the
United States government national security complex. Somebody made an oopsie,
nothing bad happened. Don't make another oopsie. And the Democrats
(11:12):
are doing what they always do, which is just find
some way to make this all about attacking the people
in charge because they don't like them.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
That's that's really what this comes down to.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
One thing I have thought about this, and I agree
with a lot of that. How many different other signal
chats are currently underway on the group text chain. In
other words, if we've got one dealing with the UTI
bombing that's going to be taking place, are there ten
(11:44):
other group chats? This is one thing I am thinking about,
And are we certain that everybody on those group chats
is who they're supposed to be, because I don't think that.
For the first time ever, they just had I think
it was an eighteen person group chat related to this
particular incident. I would think based on the way these
guys are communicating that they are regularly communicating in general.
(12:07):
So how many other group chats are out there? I
think that's one of the steps that will be taken next.
And hopefully there's no branking a journalist on them.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But this is fine, Clay.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
National security officials are human beings who have to operate
in the real world as well. They speak on open lines.
They I was just on the phone at the CIA yesterday.
Don't even get me started trying to get my book
through the review process. I am how's that going about?
I am very very unhappy with them, But that's a
whole other conversation. They're blaming elon now.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We can't get anything done, you.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Know anyway, I don't want to get into it. I
don't want to get into it. It's very very frustrating,
very frustrating over there. But when you're when you're on
an open line, I mean you you can speak to
people on an open line and you just can't speak
about classified and if you start here.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They're just going to hang up on you right away.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So there there are ways that you know, you can
get in contact with national security officials or rather the
national security officials speak to each other and you just
have normal conversations, right, I mean, or you speak about
things as though you could be recorded, or you have
to assume you're being recorded, you're being intercepted, and you
(13:17):
don't talk about classified stuff. But this is like the
foundation of all operational security. It all comes down to
the individual. There's all these posters and things. If you
go into it, whether it's a military base or you're
in a CIA office, there's you know, operational security starts
with you. Yeah, because you know stuff that if you
shout it out loud, it would be very bad. So
(13:38):
you don't do that, and it's on you to make
sure that the level of classification that you're operating on
or under is attuned to the system you're using. So
open line phone, assume the Russians are listening, and who cares, right,
because then you're assuming they're listening, So clay, when you're
saying other other signal chats, that's not a problem. There
(14:00):
are unclassified emails that go around government officials, right, the
same thing with Hillary and her server. The problem wasn't
that Hillary Clinton ever used unclassified email. The problem was
she only used unclassified email and had special Access program
data and all kinds of really classified stuff in there.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right, that was the point.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's not oh my god, how could you send an
unclassified email about yoga and chardonnay drinking.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's that she messed it up.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So I don't know that we can assume where we
should assume that anybody messed anything up on any signal chats.
But yeah, this one is not Look, it's not good.
I'm gonna but it's not a big deal. Right, there's
not good and not a big deal. It's in the
national security world. I would say it's more like a
speeding ticket. And they're saying that this is more like
a mass murder because they're insane, So.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, and they need something to attack. And this is
where you've given the opportunity. Of all the journalists that
could have been added on the group chat, maybe the
worst one to add, just just tossing it out there.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That is a very good point. I mean, to add
the national secure quote unquote correspondent or writer, editor or whatever,
who is probably more directly than almost anybody else, tried
to destroy Donald Trump. That's the thing, right, I mean,
if they had added some.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Reporter you were me, we would have been like, hey,
I don't think we're supposed to be I don't think
I'm supposed to be on this, and it would nobody
would have ever known, right, I mean, it's that they
added this guy. He stayed hidden in the chat, saw
all the chats, and he hates Trump. And so they
basically got the worst possible journalists to screw up and
add to the chat, if that makes sense. It's not
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We'll dive
into Jasmincrockett because I do want to hear her explanation
for how calling Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, who is
in a wheelchair governor high wheels, did not have something
to do with the fact that he is in a wheelchair.
That is an all time spin job that she was
attempting to pull off. Will play that for you and
(17:09):
discuss the continued craziness that she is one of the
forward facing members of the Democrat Party. Will break all
that down for you. By the way, I don't know
if we mentioned it off the top, and our friend
Bill O'Reilly will join us at the top of the
next hour for a always fun visit. I want to
hear Uncle Bill's take on the whole signal chat thing.
I think that'd be curious to hear that too.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know, he he'll just say it right like he
doesn't even if it's gonna upset some of some of
the people who are in Trump world.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But I have a feeling he's going to say it's over.
It's not good but exaggerated is my sense of what
he'll say, or the you know, they're exaggerating how big.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
A deal it is. But we'll see. I don't know.
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Clay and Buck. All right, welcome back in. So let's
talk about hot wheels gate. Now, first of all, Clay
totally separate, but it does remind me anything that allows
me to indulge my eighties nineties nostalgia gets me excited.
Were you ever a hot wheels guy when they were.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
A big thing?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Remember the car? Remember on TV?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They made it seem so cool, these toys, and then
you'd get them when you were like six years old
and it didn't go by itself and it didn't look
as cool as it did on TV.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I was not, But my oldest son was a big
hot wheels kid. Like, we had a lot of you know,
cars for him to play with. He had the the tracts,
you know where you can race cars against each other.
He was of my three boys, the one that that
I remember being the most sort of into hot wheels,
(19:48):
and we spent a lot of time playing cars.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I remember my my little nephew who's growing up very fast,
my sister's boy. It's funny because it's one of those
experiments that you didn't mean to run. You see it
in real time. He just likes so many other little boys.
This is just in the whole gender you know, what's
gender normative everything else.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
He loves trucks and dinosaurs, yep.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And what I think is that no one ever told
him you need to like trucks, you know, like dump
trucks and you know, like like construction kind of trucks.
He is, he's got all these toys everywhere. He's you know,
three years old now. And dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
He knows more about dinosaurs than I do. And I
actually think I was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, he was talking about like Pakisephio loris or something.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't even know that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But the boys like things that boys like at a
young age, you know, and it's different. He's not sitting
there playing with little tea sets and it's just based
on what he asks for.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Side note.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But I do think it's in and there's a lot
of science that all the scientific data supports this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I might add that little.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Boys like different things in terms of, you know, how
they play and their toys and everything then little girls.
And it's not you know, oh, if only we gave
them gender neutral clothing, this wouldn't happen. Okay, side note,
but hot Okay, back to hot Wheels because buckets buck
has been has been weaving the story here a little bit.
Back to hot Wheels. Here's what we've got. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett,
(21:11):
she said she made a hot Wheels joke, and I
don't do the pro clutching thing. I don't think any
of you do it. You know, we look, it's inappropriate.
It's a gross thing to say. But you know, Governor
Abbot's running the great state of Texas, and you know,
he's an incredible success story, and you know, I don't
think he's up at night upset about this, right, I mean,
you know he's he's a big, successful, powerful guy, and.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You know, it's it's gross things that I be wearing.
I would be wearing a governor hot wheels, teacher.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I agree with you that that leaning into it, that
you know, if he decided to get like flames painted
on the side of his wheelchair or something.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
That actually really really funny, right, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yes, yeah, like if he just leans into it, because yeah, obviously,
you know, he's overcome a tremendous challenge in his life,
but he's done so with with amazing success and and
you know we we we know and like the Governor
Texas good guy.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So anyway, she said that, which was not good.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, it was not. It was a nasty and dumb
thing to say. Not a surprise coming from Congresswoman Crockett.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And then she put this out Clay, and I'm quoting here.
This is her justification, or her rationalization, or what I
want to hear this I have not seen. This is
first time for Clay. So you're getting this in real time.
I think a lot of you will be getting this
in real time.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I wasn't thinking about the governor's condition. I was thinking
about the planes, trains, and automobiles he used to transfer
migrants into communities led by black mayors, deliberately stoking tension
and fear among the most vulnerable. Literally, the next line
I said was that he was a hot ass mess,
(22:47):
referencing his terrible policies. At no point did I mention
or allude to his condition. So I'm even more appalled
that the very people who unequivocally support Trump, a man
known for his rationally insensitive nicknames and mocking those with disabilities,
are now outraged.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
One, she didn't write this. Two, No one believes this.
She doesn't believe it. Her supporters don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
We don't believe it. What is she doing?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I just I don't think she's very intelligent. I mean,
and we said that about AOC I think AOC is
a next level smarter than Jasmine Crocket. I just I
don't know who the Jasmine Crockett constituency is. I understand
that she has a congressional district. I presume if our
(23:40):
team can look it up, I presume that it is
one of the congressional districts that the state of Texas
has basically loaded with Democrats. Right. Unfortunately, to a large extent,
most congressional districts are not actually that competitive. There's four
hundred and thirty five of them nationwide. I think there's
about thirty that in any given year now can swing
(24:02):
one direction or the other. Both parties have jerry mander
to such an extent that they have guaranteed themselves the
maximum number of seats in the states that they control,
and they have stuffed a lot of Democrats in seats,
or they've stuffed a lot of Republicans in seats. So
I'm guessing Jasmine Crockett is representing one of those seats,
(24:23):
and so there is no requirement that she in any
way be a reasonable person. Having said that, I encourage
her to keep talking. I think that every time Jasmine
Crockett opens her mouth Republicans gain more supporters and she
doesn't gain anyone, and this is not a spot you
(24:44):
want to be in. It can be simultaneously the case
that it's goven for her career to be saying the
things that she's saying because she is in a safe
seat in the state of Texas, I think the Houston
area somewhere, and she can't be removed because she's seen
as a powerful person in Democrat politics. But it can
(25:05):
also be the case that she is lighting on fire
her ability, her ability to grow the overall Democrat party
by the way, uh Dallas not Houston area district. And
I just encourage her to keep talking, and that is
I mean, that's when you're attacked. The basic pr move
(25:28):
now is to pivot on your attack and immediately double
and triple down on the attack that you made in
the first first place. So she immediately goes after Trump
for being racist and whatever, it'senophobic, whatever she wants to
accuse him of. But everybody knows, I mean, the governor
is in a wheelchair. Do you really you don't think
if she's too dumb to recognize that calling him governor
(25:51):
hot wheels is like, let's presume that might actually be
worse than being a nasty person who would who would
make fun of that kind of additionubility, she would actually
be so dumb that she wouldn't even conceive of like no,
no light bulb goes off in her head when she's
like he's literally in a wheelchair and you're mocking him
using wheels. I mean, come on, like that's she. If
(26:12):
she's truly that dumb, it's even worse. Almost the pivot
you talked about, the pr pivot. Was it Harvey Weinstein,
if memory serves this is like.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
A decade ago, who said, when the allegations came out
about him, I'm going to dedicate myself to fighting the NRA.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Was it Harvey Weinstein who did that?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I think that's really funny.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Which was one of the It was like it was like,
excuse me, I was not sexually assaulting all these women,
and I'm going to redouble my efforts against the NRA.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Was it Kevin Spacey who came out for the first
time is gay. As soon as he got charged with
sexually inappropriate behavior. Somebody came out, Well, there.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Was the governor.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
The governor of New Jersey had a I had like
I think it was his And again, guys, I'm going
on memory.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't remember everything.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think it was his lover. He was married to
a woman, and I think he had kids. I forgot
remember greed he was gay, Yeah, and then came out
and said I am a gay American when he had
gotten his like boyfriend basically some senior level six figure job,
like a no show job in the Jersey state government,
and it turned into this whole scandal.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Guys. Facts, Sorry, we're throwing a lot of fact checks
that you in real time.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I think Joe Harvey Weinstein was the one who pulled
the NRA thing, which was just like kids, It's like, hey, hey, hey,
I know everyone's thinking that i did all these terrible
things to women, but I'm going to write a check
to fight the NRA right now.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And that was supposed to get him out of it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, and a lot of people did the This is
probably years and years ago, but you remember anytime you
did something bad, you just went to rehab. Like for
in Hollywood, the number one move for like twenty years
was oh so and so did so and so, and
you're like, yeah, I'm just going to rehab. Oh yeah, yeah,
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that doesn't really happen anymore. It's like, we don't give
the rehab card the same way, so now it is
very odd like that. I think it was Kevin Spacey
who was like, you know, actually I'm gay and I'm
just being targeted because I'm gay.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh, by the way, I actually nailed it with the
recall in this one. I've pulled this one up, Clay
Harvey Weinstein, this is back in. I said it was
a decade ago. Is that right, yeah, twenty seventeen, so
basically a decade ago. He said, this is amazing. Remember
this guy was accused. I mean he's serving time I
think still, or I think he one of his convictions
got overturned, but he has served time for rape. I'm
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not sure what the current adjudication of his cases is,
but he went to prison for a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But when this was all coming.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Out, he said, this is true. I've decided that I'm
going to give the NRA my full attention. He is
determined to quote channel his anger toward the National Rifle Association.
That that was really his pivot, that was his go to.
(29:04):
It's like, hey, I know you think that I'm a
rapist or I'm I've been charged by women on the
record and by law enforcement with sexual assault. But I
really hate the NRA, so let's focus on what matters
here now. That didn't work for him, But I just
think that that may be the most outlandish pivot of
that kind I can remember. But uh, Jasmin Krockett pulling
the oh, I wasn't making fun of governor hot wheels
(29:26):
in a wheelchair. By the way, Trump is really bad.
What does that have to do with anything? Correct, with anything.
It's a very predictable pivot.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
But again, I love your idea of him putting flames
on actually be really funny for his next press conference.
If he came out with the hot wheels flames on
his wheels, I would definitely wear the governor hot wheel.
I mean, I don't think it's a bad nickname, honestly,
like and it definitely throws it back in her face
and makes it very funny. I think that would I
(29:56):
think that would be phenomenal. I would encourage the governor
to take that move because I think even people who
don't like Greg Abbott would respect the sense of humor
that he is showing. Uh. And obviously he's a very
accomplished guy. And to your point, I mean a tree
fell on him when he was out, I think jogging
in his in his twenties, a horrible, acrible, awful. So yeah, yeah,
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Kevin Spaceybuck did also come out as gay as soon
as he was accused of sexual misconduct. It's like, oh,
by the way, guys, I'm gay, you know, like, well, okay,
but you are accused of sexual misconduct. That was that
was that very I feel like.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We can look back now at this at the rise
of Remember they used to talk about intersectionality all the time. Yeah,
which is the pseudo scientific description of a society that's
just all these interlocking oppressed groups, right, and there's this
hierarchy of oppression and everyone's a pressed We don't they
don't even use the term really anymore. But with the
(30:59):
rise of inter sectionality, there was the oh, I'm in trouble.
I have to retreat into the bunker of my oppressed
group as fast as possible.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That was the move right.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
But gay people, even like even gay people on the
Kevin Spacey thing, were like, no, you get to come
out and be like I'm being targeted because he was
accused Remember Buck initially of sleeping with a fourteen year
old boy.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I think, no, no, I think I no, no,
I think it was I think it was making a
move on. I don't think I maybe here, well I
don't think. Let's see, well.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Anyway, he was accused of something back in sexual advances.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's sexual advances.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah he did not actually then there's a distinction there,
but there he did anyway, Yeah, he uh, he complete.
He also has always. I don't think he ever was
charged with anything, was he he's always.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I think he beat the charges in England.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh, that's right, in England.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, so he was actually yeah, but yeah, he did
do the pivot.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. We are
scheduled to be joined by our good friend Bill O'Reilly
at the top of the next hour. Brad in Vero Beach,
Florida wants to weigh in. Brad, what you got for us?
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Good afternoon. Hey, what I want to say is that
I think this journalist that got copied in this thread
is actually the best journalist. Being the most critical, he's
going to find any morse morsel, or at least try
that he can, and the dog doesn't hunt. If it
was a friendly journalist, then the media would be spinning
it well, that there's got to be more there. You know,
(34:08):
it's worse than they're saying.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I appreciate the call, I disagree. I don't think the
story would have ever come out if it were a
friendly journalist because I think, again, I can just use
Bucking myself as examples. We text some with these guys, right,
if somehow we ended up on a text thread that
we weren't supposed to be on that was dealing with
major security issues, we would just be like, hey, guys,
I don't think I'm supposed to be on EST's talk
(34:31):
to you soon. I'm deleting my text right now and
just fyo, I'm taking myself off this thread one hundred percent.
And by the way, I think that should be the
case for anyone, just as normal cultural standard. If you're
on a text thread, group text that you're not supposed
to be on, or an email thread or anything else.
(34:53):
Instead of allowing yourself to continue to see the messages,
screenshotting all of them so that you can later turn
it into a story, you should, I think ethically admit
that you shouldn't be there. I mean, I mean, let me.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Really what what's what's the story? The story here.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Is that they want us to believe that because someone
in this chat pushed the wrong button on the phone,
that they're all irresponsible and someone should get fired. No,
I just just know, sorry, Like that's I don't I
agree with that.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I think you can acknowledge a screw up, But what
happened here and you want to look at and say, hey,
how do we not how do my.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Point Clay's mistakes happened? Like I've been in war zones
where people are handling classified information and it's not perfect. Okay,
if people are doing their best and operating in good faith,
you have to give them a little leeway on this stuff.
They're not going to make this mistake again, and nothing
bad happened, So what do we you know, how much
more time to spend on this?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Not you and me?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Well in the country, the morality and the ethics. From
a goldbird perspective, the reporter is I I think he
actually is in the wrong here. He should have raised
his hand immediately said I'm not supposed to be on
this thread, instead of waiting, screenshotting everything and trying to
humiliate and embarrass the Trump official. Now, I think it's unfortunate.
To the caller's point, I think it's unfortunate that it
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ended up being him, because I think the vast majority
of media would not have behaved as he did and
would not have turned this into a huge story. In fact,
I don't think most of them would have gone public
with it because it's an inadvertent error. They would have
reached out. We'll talk about this with Bill O'Reilly, what
does he think? And we'll continue to let you guys
way In eight hundred two eight eight two
Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now a lot to talk to you about. Thanks for
joining us here. We've got we got more on this
whole signal chat thing.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Will work you through some of this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think increasingly clear that they're making a mountain out
of a molehill a tempest than a teapot. It's one
thing to say, Okay, it's not great, we got to
fix this. It's another thing to say, oh my gosh,
how could we ever ever trust these people ever again?
That they just hate Trump and everybody who works for them,
(00:35):
So we have to keep that in mind. We will
discuss though the latest details that more chat isn't interesting.
Claim a day ago Jeffrey Goldberg is, oh, I don't
know if I can release this stuff, it's so sensitive.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And then he releases it today.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
What a big surprise, almost like this is all a
political hit and not really having anything to do with
national security, which I will also point out was not
harmed in this. I talked to you yesterday about the
classification system and how it is all built upon perceived
possible harm like Top Secret would be grave, grave damage
(01:09):
to US national security interests. Confidential is moderate damage to
US national security interests. It's an imprecise thing. This is
more art than science in a lot of ways. But well,
we'll give you the details on this, because I don't
want your angry neighbor when you're trimming the hedges or
whatever or mowing the law and to be able to shadow.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Did you see about the signal chat and you're like, no,
I didn't see. We'll tell you about it so you'll know.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Also, we are enjoying the spectacular downfall of Disney with
more from the snow White megaflop that is underway right now.
The IMDb ratings, the finger pointing has begun, Clay about
who is to blame for this thing to be such
a mess, So that is to be something that we
(01:58):
will dive into. And then we've got a Congresswoman Jasmine
Crockett play I'm sure you saw this after calling Governor
Abbott hot wheels. Governor Abbot, who is wheelchair bound because
of a tragic accident, has been for I don't know
fifty years, forty years now. She says that she was
(02:19):
not referring to him in a wheelchair, that that had
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
That's first of all, I admired the blatant lie because
it's so ridiculous. What is her exploit? Have any I
didn't even see this? What is her explanation for what
she was referring to if she wasn't referring to him
being in a wheelchair?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Do you want me to tell you now? Or should
we keep our audience on the edge of their seats
and get you to see genuinely have no idea. I'm
curious what the spin is here. I have not seen this.
I think you'll have to stay with us to the
bottom of the hour, and I will tell you what.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It's all a good tease.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm not going to be able to leave, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I want you guys to stay with us here. Let's
start with this.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
We had the DNI Telci Gabbard, and I keep telling
you this because, as it's true, the best thing she
can do is to fix the eye of the intelligence
community to the best of her ability and then come
forward and say that there should no longer be a
DNI because they shouldn't because it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But that's not policy's fault. She's doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
She spoke this morning about the signal chat situation, and
here is what she said, play cup one.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It was a mistake that a reporter was inadvertently added
to a signal chat with high level national security principles
having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against the Huthis
and the effects of the strike. National Security Advisor has
taken full responsibility for this, and the National Security Council
is conducting an in depth review along with technical experts
(03:42):
working to determine how this reporter was inadvertently added to
this chat. The conversation was candid and sensitive, but as
the president National Security Advisor stated, no classified information was shared.
There were no sources, methods, locations, or war plans that
were shared. This was a standard update to the National
Security Cabinet that was provided alongside updates that were given
(04:06):
to foreign partners in the region.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Clay, this is an internal, senior level, a senior level
deliberation of national security officials in the government. Somehow an
American journalist got access to it, and I think it's
just an oversight in error, one that will not be replicated.
And I'm already kind of tired of talking about it,
but I just don't want to let anybody leave anybody
(04:31):
in the lurch with the ability to get attacked by
Oh but did you see the latest or did you
see more? But this is a this is a political hit.
They've had nothing to attack Trump with other than the
stock market went down today, the price of eggs is high,
and so now they're doing this. I don't think we're
talking about this by Monday of next week, and that's
the way that it should be.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So the one thing I will say is it definitely
feels more and more calculated to me the way that
this has been released, because they're trying to turn it
into a multi day story as opposed to a one
day story. So yesterday's story was, oh, my goodness, can
(05:12):
you believe this happened? I guess it was actually the
day before yesterday, right, This initially happened on Monday afternoon,
if I remember correctly. But after we were off the
air Tuesday, we talked about it, that seemed to kind
of have died down and basically ended. And then this
morning more of the text change text chain is released,
(05:33):
and I wonder if Goldberg is keeping more of the
text chain to try to have a third bite at
the apple, so to speak, to keep the story getting
a lot of attention. I think in general, the fact
that the reporter was added to the chat it makes
it look more incompetent than malicious, if that makes sense.
(05:57):
And I also think that one reason this is not
going to I agree with you in terms of how
many days it's going to go on, but one reason
it's not going to be a never ending, multi day
story is because there was no hypocrisy by and large
in what we've seen so far on the text chain
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that was released publicly that is different than really what
people would say privately. And usually these stories blow up
in a big way when we become aware that what
was being said publicly was very different than what was
being discussed privately. And we've seen, for instance, a lot
of the emails around COVID, when you saw the scientists
(06:39):
privately expressing doubts about, for instance, the lab leak and
whether it might have happened, or whether COVID was created
in a lab as opposed to coming from an animal.
But then when they all went out in public, they
uniformly said, Oh, there's no basis whatsoever for anything other
than this one story. I do think that trumping out
(07:00):
and basically shutting it down has also gone a long
way towards towards limiting the fallout. And of anybody out there,
who do you think trust the national security experts less
than Donald Trump? Right now, after these same guys with
we talked about this, the FBI raided his house and
(07:23):
took out all these supposedly classified documents, and then we
didn't talk about it a lot. But just a few
weeks ago they gave him all back to him. Buck.
Did you notice when he was on air Force air
Force one a couple of weeks ago, but also on
Marine one, they were carrying boxes which were the papers
that they had seized that they were going to try
to put him in prison for the rest of his
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life for having. Oh, by the way, now they've given
him back to him. I just think that that capstone
to this story did not get a lot of attention.
If these papers are so dangerous. I know, he's the
president of the United States. Again, theoretically he could declassify
anything if he wants, but I think he recognizes that
a lot of this is bureaucratic rigmarole in the way
(08:07):
that it talks. Let me also add this, I don't
think the average American cares that much, right. I think
if you're a diehard propagandist partisan on the left, you're
super fired up about this story. The average person in
America today, I don't think that there would be anyone
out there that is obsessively following this. Who is the
(08:31):
middle of the road voter or just a regular person.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the people who are particularly critical of this
in public, again, it's a mistake. There's no question they've
admitted that it's a mistake. But nothing bad happened, right,
The no harm, no foul principle should apply to things
like this, just like it does everything else in life.
The strikes happened the who thi's and if people say
(08:55):
huti and who thie? By the way, and it has
to do with the transliteration from the Arabic Modern Standard
Arabic has something closer to a th sound for English speakers,
but in the Arabic dialect, I believe in Yemen it's
more like a tea. So just if I switch back
and forth, everybody switches back and forth. Clay says hoodie,
I say houthy d and I Gabbert said huthy Because
(09:16):
I know we're.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Gonna get the pronunciation. Police. I know you're out there.
I know you're cruising.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Around with your aviators on and your State trooper hat,
you know, drinking your drinking your black coffee, and just
looking out there waiting for somebody to mess up the pronunciation.
So I am well aware of the differentiation between HOODI
and Huthy. But Clay, none of this stuff is big.
Nothing happened. Look, the problem that I have had in
(09:43):
the back of my mind with this, or the thing
that could become a problem is if Jeffrey Goldberg had
something really sensitive in there that shouldn't be in a
signal chat and they've lied about it by saying there's
nothing sensitive, and then he drops that that was my
It doesn't seem like that's going to happen right now
(10:03):
based on the chat. We've all read the chat logs
now they've been released, unless he's holding something back and
setting a trap for the people that were coming forward
to speak about this. But you know, you asked us, okay,
what what happened? The strike occurred. There's no reason to
believe the strike didn't happen exactly as planned. What's the problem, right,
I mean, you know you ask yourself that question, and
(10:25):
there's really no answer to it. Uh And and I
think that that tells you all you need to know
about this. The the I don't know how Jeffrey Goldberg
got added it. Somebody added him, Okay, like that. I
don't like being talked to like we're idiots. There's a little,
a little tiny bit of that coming around on some
of this stuff, like we don't know we need to
have the smartest tech minds. No, you guys, someone mistakenly
(10:47):
added a journalist and they meant to add somebody else.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Okay, let's not let's not do this thing.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Where is the Atlantic hacking into the Atlantic, which is
run by and and you know, full of staffed by imbeciles,
is not hacking into signal with top principles of the
United States government national security complex. Somebody made an oopsie,
nothing bad happened. Don't make another oopsie. And the Democrats
(11:12):
are doing what they always do, which is just find
some way to make this all about attacking the people
in charge because they don't like them.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
That's that's really what this comes down to.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
One thing I have thought about this, and I agree
with a lot of that. How many different other signal
chats are currently underway on the group text chain. In
other words, if we've got one dealing with the UTI
bombing that's going to be taking place, are there ten
(11:44):
other group chats? This is one thing I am thinking about,
And are we certain that everybody on those group chats
is who they're supposed to be, because I don't think that.
For the first time ever, they just had I think
it was an eighteen person group chat related to this
particular incident. I would think based on the way these
guys are communicating that they are regularly communicating in general.
(12:07):
So how many other group chats are out there? I
think that's one of the steps that will be taken next.
And hopefully there's no branking a journalist on them.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But this is fine, Clay.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
National security officials are human beings who have to operate
in the real world as well. They speak on open lines.
They I was just on the phone at the CIA yesterday.
Don't even get me started trying to get my book
through the review process. I am how's that going about?
I am very very unhappy with them, But that's a
whole other conversation. They're blaming elon now.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We can't get anything done, you.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Know anyway, I don't want to get into it. I
don't want to get into it. It's very very frustrating,
very frustrating over there. But when you're when you're on
an open line, I mean you you can speak to
people on an open line and you just can't speak
about classified and if you start here.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They're just going to hang up on you right away.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So there there are ways that you know, you can
get in contact with national security officials or rather the
national security officials speak to each other and you just
have normal conversations, right, I mean, or you speak about
things as though you could be recorded, or you have
to assume you're being recorded, you're being intercepted, and you
(13:17):
don't talk about classified stuff. But this is like the
foundation of all operational security. It all comes down to
the individual. There's all these posters and things. If you
go into it, whether it's a military base or you're
in a CIA office, there's you know, operational security starts
with you. Yeah, because you know stuff that if you
shout it out loud, it would be very bad. So
(13:38):
you don't do that, and it's on you to make
sure that the level of classification that you're operating on
or under is attuned to the system you're using. So
open line phone, assume the Russians are listening, and who cares, right,
because then you're assuming they're listening, So clay, when you're
saying other other signal chats, that's not a problem. There
(14:00):
are unclassified emails that go around government officials, right, the
same thing with Hillary and her server. The problem wasn't
that Hillary Clinton ever used unclassified email. The problem was
she only used unclassified email and had special Access program
data and all kinds of really classified stuff in there.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right, that was the point.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's not oh my god, how could you send an
unclassified email about yoga and chardonnay drinking.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's that she messed it up.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So I don't know that we can assume where we
should assume that anybody messed anything up on any signal chats.
But yeah, this one is not Look, it's not good.
I'm gonna but it's not a big deal. Right, there's
not good and not a big deal. It's in the
national security world. I would say it's more like a
speeding ticket. And they're saying that this is more like
a mass murder because they're insane, So.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, and they need something to attack. And this is
where you've given the opportunity. Of all the journalists that
could have been added on the group chat, maybe the
worst one to add, just just tossing it out there.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That is a very good point. I mean, to add
the national secure quote unquote correspondent or writer, editor or whatever,
who is probably more directly than almost anybody else, tried
to destroy Donald Trump. That's the thing, right, I mean,
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into Jasmincrockett because I do want to hear her explanation
for how calling Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, who is
in a wheelchair governor high wheels, did not have something
to do with the fact that he is in a wheelchair.
That is an all time spin job that she was
attempting to pull off. Will play that for you and
(17:09):
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forward facing members of the Democrat Party. Will break all
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if we mentioned it off the top, and our friend
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next hour for a always fun visit. I want to
hear Uncle Bill's take on the whole signal chat thing.
I think that'd be curious to hear that too.
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He doesn't care.
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talk about hot wheels gate. Now, first of all, Clay
totally separate, but it does remind me anything that allows
me to indulge my eighties nineties nostalgia gets me excited.
Were you ever a hot wheels guy when they were.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
A big thing?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Remember the car? Remember on TV?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They made it seem so cool, these toys, and then
you'd get them when you were like six years old
and it didn't go by itself and it didn't look
as cool as it did on TV.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I was not, But my oldest son was a big
hot wheels kid. Like, we had a lot of you know,
cars for him to play with. He had the the tracts,
you know where you can race cars against each other.
He was of my three boys, the one that that
I remember being the most sort of into hot wheels,
(19:48):
and we spent a lot of time playing cars.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I remember my my little nephew who's growing up very fast,
my sister's boy. It's funny because it's one of those
experiments that you didn't mean to run. You see it
in real time. He just likes so many other little boys.
This is just in the whole gender you know, what's
gender normative everything else.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
He loves trucks and dinosaurs, yep.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And what I think is that no one ever told
him you need to like trucks, you know, like dump
trucks and you know, like like construction kind of trucks.
He is, he's got all these toys everywhere. He's you know,
three years old now. And dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
He knows more about dinosaurs than I do. And I
actually think I was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, he was talking about like Pakisephio loris or something.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't even know that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But the boys like things that boys like at a
young age, you know, and it's different. He's not sitting
there playing with little tea sets and it's just based
on what he asks for.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Side note.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But I do think it's in and there's a lot
of science that all the scientific data supports this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I might add that little.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Boys like different things in terms of, you know, how
they play and their toys and everything then little girls.
And it's not you know, oh, if only we gave
them gender neutral clothing, this wouldn't happen. Okay, side note,
but hot Okay, back to hot Wheels because buckets buck
has been has been weaving the story here a little bit.
Back to hot Wheels. Here's what we've got. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett,
(21:11):
she said she made a hot Wheels joke, and I
don't do the pro clutching thing. I don't think any
of you do it. You know, we look, it's inappropriate.
It's a gross thing to say. But you know, Governor
Abbot's running the great state of Texas, and you know,
he's an incredible success story, and you know, I don't
think he's up at night upset about this, right, I mean,
you know he's he's a big, successful, powerful guy, and.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You know, it's it's gross things that I be wearing.
I would be wearing a governor hot wheels, teacher.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I agree with you that that leaning into it, that
you know, if he decided to get like flames painted
on the side of his wheelchair or something.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
That actually really really funny, right, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yes, yeah, like if he just leans into it, because yeah, obviously,
you know, he's overcome a tremendous challenge in his life,
but he's done so with with amazing success and and
you know we we we know and like the Governor
Texas good guy.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So anyway, she said that, which was not good.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, it was not. It was a nasty and dumb
thing to say. Not a surprise coming from Congresswoman Crockett.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And then she put this out Clay, and I'm quoting here.
This is her justification, or her rationalization, or what I
want to hear this I have not seen. This is
first time for Clay. So you're getting this in real time.
I think a lot of you will be getting this
in real time.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I wasn't thinking about the governor's condition. I was thinking
about the planes, trains, and automobiles he used to transfer
migrants into communities led by black mayors, deliberately stoking tension
and fear among the most vulnerable. Literally, the next line
I said was that he was a hot ass mess,
(22:47):
referencing his terrible policies. At no point did I mention
or allude to his condition. So I'm even more appalled
that the very people who unequivocally support Trump, a man
known for his rationally insensitive nicknames and mocking those with disabilities,
are now outraged.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
One, she didn't write this. Two, No one believes this.
She doesn't believe it. Her supporters don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
We don't believe it. What is she doing?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I just I don't think she's very intelligent. I mean,
and we said that about AOC I think AOC is
a next level smarter than Jasmine Crocket. I just I
don't know who the Jasmine Crockett constituency is. I understand
that she has a congressional district. I presume if our
(23:40):
team can look it up, I presume that it is
one of the congressional districts that the state of Texas
has basically loaded with Democrats. Right. Unfortunately, to a large extent,
most congressional districts are not actually that competitive. There's four
hundred and thirty five of them nationwide. I think there's
about thirty that in any given year now can swing
(24:02):
one direction or the other. Both parties have jerry mander
to such an extent that they have guaranteed themselves the
maximum number of seats in the states that they control,
and they have stuffed a lot of Democrats in seats,
or they've stuffed a lot of Republicans in seats. So
I'm guessing Jasmine Crockett is representing one of those seats,
(24:23):
and so there is no requirement that she in any
way be a reasonable person. Having said that, I encourage
her to keep talking. I think that every time Jasmine
Crockett opens her mouth Republicans gain more supporters and she
doesn't gain anyone, and this is not a spot you
(24:44):
want to be in. It can be simultaneously the case
that it's goven for her career to be saying the
things that she's saying because she is in a safe
seat in the state of Texas, I think the Houston
area somewhere, and she can't be removed because she's seen
as a powerful person in Democrat politics. But it can
(25:05):
also be the case that she is lighting on fire
her ability, her ability to grow the overall Democrat party
by the way, uh Dallas not Houston area district. And
I just encourage her to keep talking, and that is
I mean, that's when you're attacked. The basic pr move
(25:28):
now is to pivot on your attack and immediately double
and triple down on the attack that you made in
the first first place. So she immediately goes after Trump
for being racist and whatever, it'senophobic, whatever she wants to
accuse him of. But everybody knows, I mean, the governor
is in a wheelchair. Do you really you don't think
if she's too dumb to recognize that calling him governor
(25:51):
hot wheels is like, let's presume that might actually be
worse than being a nasty person who would who would
make fun of that kind of additionubility, she would actually
be so dumb that she wouldn't even conceive of like no,
no light bulb goes off in her head when she's
like he's literally in a wheelchair and you're mocking him
using wheels. I mean, come on, like that's she. If
(26:12):
she's truly that dumb, it's even worse. Almost the pivot
you talked about, the pr pivot. Was it Harvey Weinstein,
if memory serves this is like.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
A decade ago, who said, when the allegations came out
about him, I'm going to dedicate myself to fighting the NRA.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Was it Harvey Weinstein who did that?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I think that's really funny.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Which was one of the It was like it was like,
excuse me, I was not sexually assaulting all these women,
and I'm going to redouble my efforts against the NRA.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Was it Kevin Spacey who came out for the first
time is gay. As soon as he got charged with
sexually inappropriate behavior. Somebody came out, Well, there.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Was the governor.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
The governor of New Jersey had a I had like
I think it was his And again, guys, I'm going
on memory.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't remember everything.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think it was his lover. He was married to
a woman, and I think he had kids. I forgot
remember greed he was gay, Yeah, and then came out
and said I am a gay American when he had
gotten his like boyfriend basically some senior level six figure job,
like a no show job in the Jersey state government,
and it turned into this whole scandal.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Guys. Facts, Sorry, we're throwing a lot of fact checks
that you in real time.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I think Joe Harvey Weinstein was the one who pulled
the NRA thing, which was just like kids, It's like, hey, hey, hey,
I know everyone's thinking that i did all these terrible
things to women, but I'm going to write a check
to fight the NRA right now.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And that was supposed to get him out of it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, and a lot of people did the This is
probably years and years ago, but you remember anytime you
did something bad, you just went to rehab. Like for
in Hollywood, the number one move for like twenty years
was oh so and so did so and so, and
you're like, yeah, I'm just going to rehab. Oh yeah, yeah,
(28:02):
that doesn't really happen anymore. It's like, we don't give
the rehab card the same way, so now it is
very odd like that. I think it was Kevin Spacey
who was like, you know, actually I'm gay and I'm
just being targeted because I'm gay.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh, by the way, I actually nailed it with the
recall in this one. I've pulled this one up, Clay
Harvey Weinstein, this is back in. I said it was
a decade ago. Is that right, yeah, twenty seventeen, so
basically a decade ago. He said, this is amazing. Remember
this guy was accused. I mean he's serving time I
think still, or I think he one of his convictions
got overturned, but he has served time for rape. I'm
(28:37):
not sure what the current adjudication of his cases is,
but he went to prison for a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But when this was all coming.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Out, he said, this is true. I've decided that I'm
going to give the NRA my full attention. He is
determined to quote channel his anger toward the National Rifle Association.
That that was really his pivot, that was his go to.
(29:04):
It's like, hey, I know you think that I'm a
rapist or I'm I've been charged by women on the
record and by law enforcement with sexual assault. But I
really hate the NRA, so let's focus on what matters
here now. That didn't work for him, But I just
think that that may be the most outlandish pivot of
that kind I can remember. But uh, Jasmin Krockett pulling
the oh, I wasn't making fun of governor hot wheels
(29:26):
in a wheelchair. By the way, Trump is really bad.
What does that have to do with anything? Correct, with anything.
It's a very predictable pivot.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
But again, I love your idea of him putting flames
on actually be really funny for his next press conference.
If he came out with the hot wheels flames on
his wheels, I would definitely wear the governor hot wheel.
I mean, I don't think it's a bad nickname, honestly,
like and it definitely throws it back in her face
and makes it very funny. I think that would I
(29:56):
think that would be phenomenal. I would encourage the governor
to take that move because I think even people who
don't like Greg Abbott would respect the sense of humor
that he is showing. Uh. And obviously he's a very
accomplished guy. And to your point, I mean a tree
fell on him when he was out, I think jogging
in his in his twenties, a horrible, acrible, awful. So yeah, yeah,
(30:21):
Kevin Spaceybuck did also come out as gay as soon
as he was accused of sexual misconduct. It's like, oh,
by the way, guys, I'm gay, you know, like, well, okay,
but you are accused of sexual misconduct. That was that
was that very I feel like.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We can look back now at this at the rise
of Remember they used to talk about intersectionality all the time. Yeah,
which is the pseudo scientific description of a society that's
just all these interlocking oppressed groups, right, and there's this
hierarchy of oppression and everyone's a pressed We don't they
don't even use the term really anymore. But with the
(30:59):
rise of inter sectionality, there was the oh, I'm in trouble.
I have to retreat into the bunker of my oppressed
group as fast as possible.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That was the move right.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
But gay people, even like even gay people on the
Kevin Spacey thing, were like, no, you get to come
out and be like I'm being targeted because he was
accused Remember Buck initially of sleeping with a fourteen year
old boy.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I think, no, no, I think I no, no,
I think it was I think it was making a
move on. I don't think I maybe here, well I
don't think. Let's see, well.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Anyway, he was accused of something back in sexual advances.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's sexual advances.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah he did not actually then there's a distinction there,
but there he did anyway, Yeah, he uh, he complete.
He also has always. I don't think he ever was
charged with anything, was he he's always.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I think he beat the charges in England.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh, that's right, in England.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, so he was actually yeah, but yeah, he did
do the pivot.
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. We are
scheduled to be joined by our good friend Bill O'Reilly
at the top of the next hour. Brad in Vero Beach,
Florida wants to weigh in. Brad, what you got for us?
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Good afternoon. Hey, what I want to say is that
I think this journalist that got copied in this thread
is actually the best journalist. Being the most critical, he's
going to find any morse morsel, or at least try
that he can, and the dog doesn't hunt. If it
was a friendly journalist, then the media would be spinning
it well, that there's got to be more there. You know,
(34:08):
it's worse than they're saying.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I appreciate the call, I disagree. I don't think the
story would have ever come out if it were a
friendly journalist because I think, again, I can just use
Bucking myself as examples. We text some with these guys, right,
if somehow we ended up on a text thread that
we weren't supposed to be on that was dealing with
major security issues, we would just be like, hey, guys,
I don't think I'm supposed to be on EST's talk
(34:31):
to you soon. I'm deleting my text right now and
just fyo, I'm taking myself off this thread one hundred percent.
And by the way, I think that should be the
case for anyone, just as normal cultural standard. If you're
on a text thread, group text that you're not supposed
to be on, or an email thread or anything else.
(34:53):
Instead of allowing yourself to continue to see the messages,
screenshotting all of them so that you can later turn
it into a story, you should, I think ethically admit
that you shouldn't be there. I mean, I mean, let me.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Really what what's what's the story? The story here.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Is that they want us to believe that because someone
in this chat pushed the wrong button on the phone,
that they're all irresponsible and someone should get fired. No,
I just just know, sorry, Like that's I don't I
agree with that.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I think you can acknowledge a screw up, But what
happened here and you want to look at and say, hey,
how do we not how do my.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Point Clay's mistakes happened? Like I've been in war zones
where people are handling classified information and it's not perfect. Okay,
if people are doing their best and operating in good faith,
you have to give them a little leeway on this stuff.
They're not going to make this mistake again, and nothing
bad happened, So what do we you know, how much
more time to spend on this?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Not you and me?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Well in the country, the morality and the ethics. From
a goldbird perspective, the reporter is I I think he
actually is in the wrong here. He should have raised
his hand immediately said I'm not supposed to be on
this thread, instead of waiting, screenshotting everything and trying to
humiliate and embarrass the Trump official. Now, I think it's unfortunate.
To the caller's point, I think it's unfortunate that it
(36:15):
ended up being him, because I think the vast majority
of media would not have behaved as he did and
would not have turned this into a huge story. In fact,
I don't think most of them would have gone public
with it because it's an inadvertent error. They would have
reached out. We'll talk about this with Bill O'Reilly, what
does he think? And we'll continue to let you guys
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