April 16, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into several compelling topics, starting with the political landscape in New York. Clay Travis highlights the irony of New York Attorney General Letitia James being caught in mortgage fraud, despite her accusations against Donald Trump for inflating his assets. This segment emphasizes the hypocrisy and legal implications surrounding James' actions, including her false claims of residency in Virginia and misrepresentation of marital status to secure better mortgage rates. The discussion also touches on the broader theme of political corruption and accountability. The left accuses people of doing things that they themselves do.
The hosts then shift to the Supreme Court of England's ruling on transgender women, celebrating JK Rowling's stance on the issue. This segment explores the legal and social ramifications of the ruling, reflecting on the ongoing debate about gender identity and sports.
Another significant topic is the Department of Justice's lawsuit against Maine for refusing to implement Trump administration rules that prevent men from competing in women's sports. This segment underscores the legal battles and societal implications of gender policies in sports.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck draw parallels to popular culture, referencing "The Wire" and its portrayal of mortgage fraud, and discussing the broader implications of financial crimes. They also delve into the political motivations behind prosecuting Trump, comparing it to historical examples of political corruption.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. One of
my favorite lines Buck from the Office, Michael Scott says, well,
how the turn tables have turned? And I am quoting
that roughly, but he's trying to say the tables have turned,
and boy, oh boy, has that happened in a big
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way in the state of New York. I'm going to
dive in here because it is positively delectable. We've also
got Maine being sued by the Department of Justice Attorney
General Pam Bondy our friend Riley Gaines in a press
conference this morning. I can't believe this is real, but
they're having to sue because Maine is refusing to implement
(00:43):
Trump administration rules which would not allow men to which
would not permit men to win women's championships. Basically, men
can't compete in women's sports. One bit of news there.
Maybe we'll dive into this a bit later. The Supreme
Court of England has ruled that trans women that as
men pretending to be women, are not actual women.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And JK.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Rowling, who has been incredible on this issue. I never
would have thought that the Harry Potter author would end
up being an complete warrior on this issue. Many people
in England are exulting over the fact that their Supreme
Court has finally weighed in. We will talk about that
and more, but I wanted to start with this for you,
(01:27):
Buck because this news hit last night, I believe, and
I actually think it's incredible, and the news is and
we're going to play you a cut from Harris Faulkner's
show to kind of explain this in detail. But essentially,
Letitia James has been caught on multiple forms where she
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applied for mortgages committing fraud in order to get a
better mortgage rate. Now the irony here, of course, is
she accused Trump of lying and inflating his assets to
get a lower rate on his commercial business loans, his
real estate transactions. So that is more complicated because there was,
(02:12):
and this was Trump's major defense, a huge investment bank
investigating in a substantial way Trump's assets. As happens for
anyone out there that has ever taken out a loan
of the magnitude that Trump is taking. Whereas Letitia James
and her lies on the forms are very concrete were
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committed by her. There isn't some big investment bank overarching
relationship here as would happen in a major business transaction
as applied for Trump, So basically what she is accused
of doing buck, among other things. There are at least
three different mortgage fraud lies that she appears to have committed.
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The most prominent and the easiest to apply is she
is the Attorney General of New York. She lives in
the state of New York and is required to live there.
On a mortgage claim or a mortgage request application that
she made in the state of Virginia in the Norfolk,
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Virginia area, she checked on that form that she was
in fact a resident of Virginia, that her primary residence
was this Norfolk, Virginia home. That is an open and
shut case. And for those of you who have ever
applied for a mortgage, your primary residence rate is substantially
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lower because the risk profile of it is quite different.
You are living there in theory yourself. This is an
open and shut case. She's caught in that claim, and
I'll talk about a couple of the other ones, but
this one is easy. I think everybody would understand it.
She said she was living in Virginia to get a
better mortgage rate. She cannot live in Virginia as a
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as a requirement for being the Attorney General of New York.
As one might imagine, she is required to live in
New York State. This is an open and shut case.
She lied on a mortgage form. I'll get to the
two others, but this kind of brings home for a
lot of people out there. They accuse you of what
they have actually done. I think she's in serious trouble
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here and this is going to lead to prosecution. Well
as Clay and I both know. I thought you were.
It's funny. I would have thought you might have jumped
right into this. This is a big subplot from the
show of The Wire, which I will say is one of,
in my opinion, the best TV shows of all time. Yes,
if you haven't seen it, everyone I know in law
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enforcement says, for the time that's twenty years old, but
for the period, they have the right lingo. They you know,
they have the right understanding of the bureaucracy. It feels
almost like a scripted documentary. I think you could say anyway,
The Wire's a fantastic show. I think it holds up.
But there is in the Wire a politician. He is
(05:08):
a charismatic black man by the name of Clay Davis,
and he gets caught up with the drug gangs down there.
There's a whole I can't get you know, that's five
seasons of a show. But what do they finally get
them on? Kind of the capone tax evasion thing. They
find out that it's very similar to this. They've got
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him on mortgage fraud.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Now in the show.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
By the way, I'll just say i'm quoting the show,
they call this the headshot because mortgage fraud is easy
to prove, very hard to defend, and the penalties are
actually quite severe. The average mortgage fraud offender who has
convicted Clay go goes to prison. It is a car
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siral sentence, usually for a couple of years. Now you
can get up to thirty years. That would obviously if
you did this on a systematic, I think grander scale.
But and there's state law, there's federal law, a lot
of things coming to play here. But Clay, here's another
thing that I think we should take it because you
you identified the most amazing part of this right away,
which is that she went after Trump for a civil
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asset inflation crime essentially or civil asset inflation fraud, and
she was completely wrong. If somebody who anyone who says
mar A Lago was worth twenty million dollars eighteen million
is I mean it might, it might be a billion
dollar profits.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't think Trump would entertain and offer less than
a billion dollars at this point, because when you add
the historic value plus the surge in real estate prices
in Palm Beach, you know there are houses selling rushes.
Former house sold for over one hundred million dollars in
one hundred and sixty Clay, I think it is one
hundred and fifty five. It is much smaller the scope
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of his property than mar A Lago. So she was
completely wrong on the facts. She ran for Attorney General
promising to prosecute a private citizen, Donald Trump, which is
disgraceful and as we see in the with the case
of Clay Davis to talk about from the show, now,
she looks like she's got a situation on her hands.
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Clay when they went after so this is this story's amazing.
I saw your tweet at the last night. I mean
I saw this and I just my jaw dropped because
I cannot imagine. Let me just say this book, I
can't imagine prosecuting a case against Trump if you knew
that you had this in your background. I mean, it
(07:40):
is crazy. This this fits into what we always say,
what you always say. I've been saying it too for years.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They accuse you of.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The things that they themselves do, which I will tell
you I am just about through with a fabulous biography
is a recommendation from my dad maw the untold story.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
One of the fab things that the communists do is
when they're trying to rise to power acute whatever mistakes
they make, it's someone else. They accuse somebody else of
doing the thing, whatever treachery they're involved in, they accuse
somebody else of doing that tread. I mean, it's it's
the classic evil doer move is, oh, I didn't poison
my rival, you poisoned my This is what they do
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all the time. And so they accused people of doing
what they themselves do. But Clay, here's the I think
the bigger issue for this is, like I said, easy
to prove this is not going to be a he said,
why I started with the first one. She lives in
New York and she say in her primary residence is
in Virginia. That's impossible. Her only defense for this, if
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this goes, is going to be it was a claric. Now,
by the way, you and I both had done real
estate investing, and you know we've bought properties, and everybody
knows if it is an investment property, you have to
disclose that to the bank. Right, Clay can't pretend that
he lives in a house in Memphis when he actually
lives in Nashville. Me I can't say I live in
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Tampa when I actually live in Miami. Right, this is
very straightforward. Everybody knows this. She is the state attorney general.
Of course she would know. But now, Clay, here's where
we really get into it. I want to know how
many people in New York State under her tenure have
served prison sentences for similar time, because I promise you
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there have been people who have gone away for mortgage fraud.
I was working a terrorism case many years ago where
the investigators realized we couldn't get the guy on terrorism,
but somebody involved was involved in a mortgage fraud, and
there was this whole dispute as to whether we should
use counter terrorism resources.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Very high end.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Nail the guy on the mortgage fraud even though we
couldn't get him on the terrorism charge. You know, it
gets into this capone thing. Anyway, won't get too deep
into that, but play if she sent anyone away or
anyone was sent away under her tenure or before her
tenure for mortgage fraud in the state of New York,
and she is guilty of this crime, she has to
go to sell. I agree, And there are several other things.
(10:03):
We're going to play this audio for you in a moment,
because I think this is a huge story. Remember she
said repeatedly, no one is above the law. She also
refused to allow Trump to argue. And by the way,
this is one billion percent true.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Trump had a huge team.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Of people working on his investment papers with the major
investment bank. Trump is not sitting there with a pencil
going through like writing all the information in. He has
an entire organization of people. This is important, Buck, because
she's gonna say, I bet I didn't do this. Somebody
else filled this out for me. They just checked the
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wrong box. That's specifically the defense she said was unacceptable
for Trump. In an they have her on the Act.
It's just a question of the intent. They're going to
have to argue intent on this, and with this kind
of stuff that can be very especially when you're the
state attorney general. You don't know what a mortgage paperwork
looks like. Okay, here's the other part of this. And
she doesn't run a major business organization. I wouldn't imagine
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she's applying for that many mortgages. She's like, in this respect,
a normal person. Here's the other thing, buck, in order
to get another property in Brooklyn. She said that she
and her dad were married, because married couples often get
lower rates of mortgages than singles do same last name.
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I presume this is also going to get hard to
explain this is a different property in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Can I just point this out, Clay.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
They're going to try so hard to say that this
is vindictive, that this is political payback, that this is
all of these things with these crimes. It's like possession crime.
If they find for the gun thing when he has
on drugs exactly, or this is not a oh but
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are you within the scope of your office and the no, no, no, no,
there's no argument here. You either did the thing that
is a violation of a law, or you didn't and
they would not be talking about this.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
If this is paperwork, they either have her or they don't.
Dead rights, she's in a world of trouble. Yeah, well,
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All right, welcome back into clay An Buck. We're talking
about this pretty incredible story of the attorney general of
the state of New York who went after Trump in
a way that was I truly you know, Trump won
the election. I could see here now, Clay, and I
would sity you. Now we could reflect and say, you know,
I can see how she made the case or I
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can understand, and in fact, my one hundred percent certainty
has only stayed at one hundred percent certainty that the
whole thing was a political hit, and it was a disgrace,
a disgrace to my home.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
State, which I will always love. I love New York.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I know I sound like I'm selling the T shirts
by Central Park, but I love New York I always will.
It's a fantastic place. But bad leadership, bad politics running
the show, and Clay, what she did to Trump was
a disgrace. It was a disgrace to the rule of law,
and that she has no real interest in falling law
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herself is only too perfect given what we already know
about this individual. Here's Fox News senior reporter Eric Sean.
He lays out in some good detail. I want to
hear the actual specific allegations. It's cut twenty five Play it.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
James, whose public salary is two hundred and twenty thousand
dollars a year, has obtained home loans for several properties
with claims that are apparently false. In twenty twenty three
paper show, she claimed to house in Norfolk, Virginia as
her primary residence, which qualifies for a lower mortgage rate.
But you know she is serving in public office in
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all but in New York, and that's five hundred miles
away from Norfolk. She bought another building with her father
as a co sign, calling herself his wife, and there
referral also shows that she bought this brownstone in Brooklyn,
New York, but misrepresented the number of units that are
in it. Love that lowers the mortgage rate there too.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Clay, if the facts are correct here, she is a
serial felony financial crime offender, as the top law enforcement
officer of New York State completely, and we should mention
that is a Fox News report. During that Fox News report,
they have still photos of the application showing the boxes
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that she checked, which are laws which I presume has
been in the documents that have been turned over to
a G. Pambondi at the Department of Justice. Now, this
is also kind of significant.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You mentioned New York, and we know that we have
a kangaroo court oftentimes unfortunately in the state of New
York and in Brooklyn, in the New York City area.
That be even more the case when it comes to
democrats not being held accountable. Virginia, they could bring these
charges in the state of Virginia for the Norfolk residence.
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She could face a multi state charge. Right, she could
be charged for the crime in New York where it occurred.
This is fed Virginia where it occurred. Yes, more mortgage.
So that's the thing, mortgage fraud. Like a lot of crimes.
You know, people don't even know this. Drug possession is
a federal and state crime in most in most states.
Now some states actually don't have that but for certain drugs.
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But so they can go either way. But Clay, I
mean federal, She's she's in a whole lot of trouble, right, yeah,
And I think again, you get a judge in Virginia
and a court in Virginia that might be far more
inclined to convict than in New York, so you could
bring charges in both jurisdictions. We gotta we gotta find guys.
Find me for either New York or Virginia. Just any
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton shows. So you know,
we have reached out to the Governor of New York,
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Kathy Hokeel. I would if I were the governor of
New York find it somewhat alarming that my attorney general,
in charge of chief law enforcement in the country, I
mean in a state, was potentially engaging in fraud. I've
not seen a statement from Kathy Hockle yet. And again,
this is not very complicated. If the Fox documents that
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they showed on the broadcast, we played the audio for you.
If those are accurate, this is an open and shut case.
Like you click a box on a mortgage application, Buck,
your analogy about Hunter Biden and the gun charge is
easy too. I mean, when you say on a mortgage application,
under penalty of law, I submit the following. She is
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an attorney, It's not like she's an unsophisticated person. And
the brazen this year Buck to do this while you
were trying to basically bankrupt President Trump. Also, it reminds
me of Elliot Spitzer, one of the biggest scumbags in
the LEA legal and political world of all time where
that guy was prosecuting people for paying hookers while he
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was paying hookers and was like, oh, but you know
when I do it. No, no, buddy, no, no. This
is a huge This is a huge problem. If we
have a regime where the people enforcing the laws do
not live under the laws. We do not have a
regime of laws. Okay, that is absolutely ironclad, and Clay,
let's just play. Let's play a game. You're gonna probably
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throw some in the mix that I'm gonna forget, but
let's play a game. Because we say this like they
accuse us of doing what they actually do. Early in
the Trump administrator, this is this is the first one
I can think of a few Early in the Trump administration,
we were hearing that Jared Kushner and Ivanka were benefiting
from their dad, you know, financially corruption stuff. Jared's already
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a billionaire a few times over. Ivanka has been famous
since I've known her since we were twelve years old. Like,
this is just not but just that's what they said.
And then we find out that Hunter is straight up
getting tens of millions of dollars while he's a crackhead
paid to him that he's hiding in LLCs and not
paying taxes on because of daddy. Okay, that's one. We
hear that Donald Trump needs to have a raid at
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mar a Lago of classified documents because it's so important
in clay classified documents, national security, rah rah rah. And
then we find that hunt, I mean, Joe Biden is
plastering his garage with top secret documents, leaving him next
to the corvette to show fans and buddies on audio
talking to his biographer about the fact that he has
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classified documents, and then the biographer tried to delete all
of the evidence of that recording of Biden admitting that
he knew that he had those documents in his possession
and was sharing them with a guy who was writing
a book about him, right, So that kind of put
a damper on the whole Trump classified documents thing.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And now we have we have Latisia James.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Let me also add the corruption of Fannie Willis and
her paramore bringing charges against Trump and you can him
you seven one hundred thousand dollars her lover boy to
be taxpayer dollars, I mean, but can they get a
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prosecutor to go after Trump that isn't actually a criminal.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
The answer seems to be no.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
The answer seems to be that the people that want
to use the law to Trump to take Trump down
themselves have big problems with law.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And can I just be clear? Is there any argument
about this?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Does does anyone want to Maybe I should go on
CNN and get on the Scott Jennings panel for a
night and just be like, who wants to fight on
this issue? Because you guys are wrong. I mean, Scott
would be with me, but the other side, you guys
are wrong. I mean, this is such an opening cutch,
open and shut case because the document is there. And
I bet most of you out there listening at some
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point in time have had to apply for a mortgage,
and if you are fortunate enough to own more than
one home, I guarantee that this is something that you
understand very well. Or if you've ever purchased to help
to purchase a second home for a child or a grandchild.
The rates on secondary homes are often substantially higher because
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the primary residence thing is such a huge part of
many people's mortgage application. This is where I live.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
She didn't even live in a border.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
State Buck she lived Clay in the state of New
York and said she was claiming to be living in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
She knew what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And even beyond that, as somebody who is as a
think about this, everyone your and we.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Have prosecutors, can we actually can we open lines?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I want some prosecutor takes on this, like how outraged
you are, or any anyone who's worked on the you know,
the criminal justice side of things, Judges, prosecutors, anybody, if
you want to call it and tell us how you
feel about this. Because Clay, that's why I brought up
the Spitzer component of this. This is somebody who is
sitting there looking across the table at people and saying,
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because of what you did. And in the case of
mortgage fraud, I'm just going to say this, I actually
think the mortgage fraud laws are too severe and a
little bit a little bit nutso because you know the bank,
I mean, you're paying for the mortgage. Okay, the rate's
a little different, you know, it gets a little more
into like an assessment gray area on some of this stuff.
I'm just gonna you know, it can be very severe
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punishment for a pretty nonsense, like the bank's not going
to go under because you got a you know, two
percent point two percentage point or point five percentage point loan,
you know difference.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But put that aside. The law is the law. Play.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
She sits across the table from defendants every day who
commit financial crimes, who commit mortgage fraud, and says, you
are now a felon, you know, because it's all deals, right,
we used to ruin their lives. She has the power
to ruin people's lives over regularly. Look procedural related issues, right,
we're talking about like you pulled a gun out and
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shot someone or not. In fact, in fact, I think
she probably sat down across from a lot of those
people and was like, we want to give you a
second chance, you know, we want.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To help you out.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You know, so you pistol with that guy running the
seven to eleven and pointed a gun at his head,
you probably had a tough childhood. I guarantee you Chis James.
When she got an opportunity, as we saw with Donald Trump,
to make an example out of somebody who is of
the you know, either the elites or somebody who's a
Republican and not politically connected or a financial crime of
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any kind. She made an example of them. She sat
there and looked at people and said, you were going
to go into a cell for a nonviolent crime. You're
going to only be able to see your family during
visiting days, and your reputation is ruined. And she was
doing that while she was doing the same thing over
and over again. Buck they put the CFO in crime
(25:54):
because he didn't claim a car allowance on thank you return.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Perfect example.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Seven or some odd year old accountant had to go
to prison because he didn't take a correct deduction because
they gave him a car allowance that he didn't own
on his tax return. I mean, I know this is
a different kind of thing. But they sent our man
Steve Bannon. They sent Navarro to prison for not violating
the executive privilege because we had a bunch of Democrat
(26:23):
lunatics who wanted them to turn on the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
By the way, to all do.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Credit to Bannon and Navarro for standing tall on that.
The accountant went to prison. All right, well that's an
even better example. Account went to prison. Hey, he went
to the seniors wing in Rikers on Rykers Island.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Again.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I looked for the NYPD a horrible place, a horrifying,
traumatizing for.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Everybody who goes there.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm not just talking about people that aren't used to
be like even people that spend some time in facilities.
You'd much rather go to prison in like, you know,
Utah than you would in Riker's ion. Let me tell you, Okay,
So you know, Clay, this is just indicative of how
we were lectured for years by these democrats. Not even
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just lectured, they were shrieking. They were enraged about how
Trump was such a threat to the rule of law.
And then they've just completely turned this whole thing on
its head, weaponized the rule of law. And the people
shouting the loudest were some of the dirtiest. And we're
supposed to what, forget about this, We're supposed to let
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this slide. I'm sorry. I think the standard for prosecutors
who break the law should be, you know, even higher.
I'll give an example this, Clay. You know, police officers
when someone is in custody. You know, if you're a
police officer and you you know, you just aside you've
had enough in some guy's handcuffed and you break his
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jaw you are in a world of trouble for that right,
because there's an elevated responsibility once something and I'm talking
I'm not talking about the arrest. I'm talking about once
someone is in custody, once he has been taken into custody,
abuse is treated extremely seriously because law enforcement has an
elevated responsibility due to their elevated power. Same thing should
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be true for prosecutors with criminal law. You're going to
use the law as a weapon against people, and then
you're going to break the law yourself. You should get
maximum top of the guidelines every time. We cannot have
prosecutors who think they are above the law. She definitely
directly prosecuted Weiselberg for I mean, this is the New
York got a a attorney general, She's got a good guys.
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Nothing less than prison if she if she, if she's
guilty of this, this is all alleged. Maybe all this
is where you're happening to the legal dance. Maybe all
the facts are wrong, or maybe she should serve time
in a prison cell if these allegations are true. No deals, no,
you know, probation uh and should be federal and this
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should be this should be the way this goes down,
that is what justice looks like here. And if anything,
I tend to be a little squishy on nonviolent crimes,
not when you're a prosecutor. Not when you're sending people
away and telling them their families don't get to see
them for a few Thanksgivings because they got a tip
on a stock. And remember again, she claims she was
married to her dad. I mean that is serious fraud, right.
(29:25):
They probably have the same last name. She's expecting that
they're not going to pay attention. That's my bet. And
Virginia as the primary residence. When you are required by law,
if you are the New York State Attorney General, to
have your primary residence in the state of New York.
This is really easy stuff. And to the point buck, theoretically,
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you could charge each of these fraud acts one in
New York because that is where the property is that
she claims she was married to her dad, one in Virginia,
and you could prosecute both and theoretically get different jury.
If you're worried about how a New York City jury
might respond compared to a Virginia jury, I would bet. Also,
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I'll reiterate this, I bet this is a state crime too,
so it's federal, yes, but I bet there is a
mortgage fraud statute in the state of New York. I
know that there is because of my experience in New York. Absolutely,
so when I was the NYPD, it could have been
state or federal, which is why it's so useful clay,
when you're doing like a terrorism investigation, because if the
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Feds don't want it, we could still take it on
the state side at the PDE. So this is well,
my point on that is, we know Glenn Youngkin is
the governor, and we know Jason Miarrez is the Attorney
general in Virginia. So not only may she have federal
issues to consider with Pam Bondy as the attorney general,
because there are certainly federal charges here, she might have
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to worry about state charges being brought by the Republican
governor and attorney general because she might be somewhat protected
in New York in a way that she might not
be in Virginia, which is why that's significant too. I
think that's I think that's true, and I would just
add to this Clay. They probably will start to run
a oh, it's no it's a no harm, no foul crime.
And again I would agree with that to some extent
(31:14):
if the argument was made in a vacuum applicable to
or rather if the argument was made in a way
that was applicable to all and all going forward. She
used this to go after Trump. She has used this
to incarcerate other people. I'm sure of it, just because
this is a standard crime that has brought, you know,
standard charge that has brought against people in states across
the country. And if you if you're gonna if you're
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gonna lock there's a very important legal principle here. If
you're gonna lock people away for something as a prosecutor,
and you do the same thing, you get the same time,
absolutely critical. And also think about the just sheer, bravado
and arrogance to do this while you are prosecuting cases
(31:59):
on fraud. It's just it's I agree with you. I
think it's worse. We should hold her to a higher
stand absolutely, and the arrogance to do it while you're
trying to put people away in prison. You're gonna put
Trump's accountant in Rikers Island because they didn't announce that
he had a car.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I would argue.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I would argue that prosecutors should have the highest ethical
standards of anyone in our entire government and entire government apparatus.
I mean, judges would be kind of next on the list.
But the decision to prosecute is the decision to destroy.
I've sat in meetings where that decision has been made,
Clay Right, You've dealt with it from the trying to
(32:41):
save somebody from the destruction side. On the defense side,
I've been there when they've said, are we going to
pass this along? You know, what does the DA think
on this?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I've been in some of those meetings. Once the charge comes,
so much damage has already done. Even if the person,
even if the charges eventually would driver pay attention to
the result. The charge gets a ton of attention, even
the allegation in the cases of sexual assault, which is
why I've been so fired up about the me two
cases in general. But she should first of all, this
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Right Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
We had a pretty quick turnaround here on Clay and
Buck will take some calls and get into some more
of your thoughts on This is a big story and
it goes to a lot of what we've talked about
here on the show about the weaponization of law and
democrats have they they wanted it, they messed around, and
now they're finding out they decided to push all this stuff.
So I think reciprocity here, meaning in enforcing the law
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as it is actually written in these cases is critical.
Let's a VIP email from Jim. If Martha Stewart had
to do time for insider trading, Latissa James should do time.
Clay again, I agree with the principal and that was
James Comy. Everybody, big surprise there.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Look, I mean the idea behind many people who are
celebrities being charged, and I'm not taking a side on
whether or not I agree with it, is that it
provides notice to people who are not famous of the
consequences of behavior, whether you're faces or infamous, or or
just any call up to terrence prosecution. That's right, is
the is the term they use in the industry.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
John and Pallisades Park, New Jersey. Way in my friends,
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Congratulations on a new baby and thank you Easter. I
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gonna do an otani. He's going to find somebody else
to blame it on.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
She will talk.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Who's is that the baseball player? Yeah, the baseball player.
Thanks for the call in. Happy Easter to everybody. A
little bit in advance. But yeah, Otani gambling case. Evidently
he was not involved in those cases, so I don't
want to throw him under the bus. He had a
financial advisor that was reportedly managing his money that was
paid placing lots of bets. As a result, that guy's
going to prison. Otani is perfectly fine. We'll talk more
(36:50):
about this. I think Letitia's in trouble.
Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. One of
my favorite lines Buck from the Office, Michael Scott says, well,
how the turn tables have turned? And I am quoting
that roughly, but he's trying to say the tables have turned,
and boy, oh boy, has that happened in a big
(00:22):
way in the state of New York. I'm going to
dive in here because it is positively delectable. We've also
got Maine being sued by the Department of Justice Attorney
General Pam Bondy our friend Riley Gaines in a press
conference this morning. I can't believe this is real, but
they're having to sue because Maine is refusing to implement
(00:43):
Trump administration rules which would not allow men to which
would not permit men to win women's championships. Basically, men
can't compete in women's sports. One bit of news there.
Maybe we'll dive into this a bit later. The Supreme
Court of England has ruled that trans women that as
men pretending to be women, are not actual women.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And JK.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Rowling, who has been incredible on this issue. I never
would have thought that the Harry Potter author would end
up being an complete warrior on this issue. Many people
in England are exulting over the fact that their Supreme
Court has finally weighed in. We will talk about that
and more, but I wanted to start with this for you,
(01:27):
Buck because this news hit last night, I believe, and
I actually think it's incredible, and the news is and
we're going to play you a cut from Harris Faulkner's
show to kind of explain this in detail. But essentially,
Letitia James has been caught on multiple forms where she
(01:48):
applied for mortgages committing fraud in order to get a
better mortgage rate. Now the irony here, of course, is
she accused Trump of lying and inflating his assets to
get a lower rate on his commercial business loans, his
real estate transactions. So that is more complicated because there was,
(02:12):
and this was Trump's major defense, a huge investment bank
investigating in a substantial way Trump's assets. As happens for
anyone out there that has ever taken out a loan
of the magnitude that Trump is taking. Whereas Letitia James
and her lies on the forms are very concrete were
(02:34):
committed by her. There isn't some big investment bank overarching
relationship here as would happen in a major business transaction
as applied for Trump, So basically what she is accused
of doing buck, among other things. There are at least
three different mortgage fraud lies that she appears to have committed.
(02:55):
The most prominent and the easiest to apply is she
is the Attorney General of New York. She lives in
the state of New York and is required to live there.
On a mortgage claim or a mortgage request application that
she made in the state of Virginia in the Norfolk,
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Virginia area, she checked on that form that she was
in fact a resident of Virginia, that her primary residence
was this Norfolk, Virginia home. That is an open and
shut case. And for those of you who have ever
applied for a mortgage, your primary residence rate is substantially
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lower because the risk profile of it is quite different.
You are living there in theory yourself. This is an
open and shut case. She's caught in that claim, and
I'll talk about a couple of the other ones, but
this one is easy. I think everybody would understand it.
She said she was living in Virginia to get a
better mortgage rate. She cannot live in Virginia as a
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as a requirement for being the Attorney General of New York.
As one might imagine, she is required to live in
New York State. This is an open and shut case.
She lied on a mortgage form. I'll get to the
two others, but this kind of brings home for a
lot of people out there. They accuse you of what
they have actually done. I think she's in serious trouble
(04:23):
here and this is going to lead to prosecution. Well
as Clay and I both know. I thought you were.
It's funny. I would have thought you might have jumped
right into this. This is a big subplot from the
show of The Wire, which I will say is one of,
in my opinion, the best TV shows of all time. Yes,
if you haven't seen it, everyone I know in law
(04:46):
enforcement says, for the time that's twenty years old, but
for the period, they have the right lingo. They you know,
they have the right understanding of the bureaucracy. It feels
almost like a scripted documentary. I think you could say anyway,
The Wire's a fantastic show. I think it holds up.
But there is in the Wire a politician. He is
(05:08):
a charismatic black man by the name of Clay Davis,
and he gets caught up with the drug gangs down there.
There's a whole I can't get you know, that's five
seasons of a show. But what do they finally get
them on? Kind of the capone tax evasion thing. They
find out that it's very similar to this. They've got
(05:29):
him on mortgage fraud.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Now in the show.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
By the way, I'll just say i'm quoting the show,
they call this the headshot because mortgage fraud is easy
to prove, very hard to defend, and the penalties are
actually quite severe. The average mortgage fraud offender who has
convicted Clay go goes to prison. It is a car
(05:54):
siral sentence, usually for a couple of years. Now you
can get up to thirty years. That would obviously if
you did this on a systematic, I think grander scale.
But and there's state law, there's federal law, a lot
of things coming to play here. But Clay, here's another
thing that I think we should take it because you
you identified the most amazing part of this right away,
which is that she went after Trump for a civil
(06:17):
asset inflation crime essentially or civil asset inflation fraud, and
she was completely wrong. If somebody who anyone who says
mar A Lago was worth twenty million dollars eighteen million
is I mean it might, it might be a billion
dollar profits.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't think Trump would entertain and offer less than
a billion dollars at this point, because when you add
the historic value plus the surge in real estate prices
in Palm Beach, you know there are houses selling rushes.
Former house sold for over one hundred million dollars in
one hundred and sixty Clay, I think it is one
hundred and fifty five. It is much smaller the scope
(06:58):
of his property than mar A Lago. So she was
completely wrong on the facts. She ran for Attorney General
promising to prosecute a private citizen, Donald Trump, which is
disgraceful and as we see in the with the case
of Clay Davis to talk about from the show, now,
she looks like she's got a situation on her hands.
(07:20):
Clay when they went after so this is this story's amazing.
I saw your tweet at the last night. I mean
I saw this and I just my jaw dropped because
I cannot imagine. Let me just say this book, I
can't imagine prosecuting a case against Trump if you knew
that you had this in your background. I mean, it
(07:40):
is crazy. This this fits into what we always say,
what you always say. I've been saying it too for years.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They accuse you of.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The things that they themselves do, which I will tell
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And you know what.
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One of the fab things that the communists do is
when they're trying to rise to power acute whatever mistakes
they make, it's someone else. They accuse somebody else of
doing the thing, whatever treachery they're involved in, they accuse
somebody else of doing that tread. I mean, it's it's
the classic evil doer move is, oh, I didn't poison
my rival, you poisoned my This is what they do
(08:19):
all the time. And so they accused people of doing
what they themselves do. But Clay, here's the I think
the bigger issue for this is, like I said, easy
to prove this is not going to be a he said,
why I started with the first one. She lives in
New York and she say in her primary residence is
in Virginia. That's impossible. Her only defense for this, if
(08:42):
this goes, is going to be it was a claric. Now,
by the way, you and I both had done real
estate investing, and you know we've bought properties, and everybody
knows if it is an investment property, you have to
disclose that to the bank. Right, Clay can't pretend that
he lives in a house in Memphis when he actually
lives in Nashville. Me I can't say I live in
(09:03):
Tampa when I actually live in Miami. Right, this is
very straightforward. Everybody knows this. She is the state attorney general.
Of course she would know. But now, Clay, here's where
we really get into it. I want to know how
many people in New York State under her tenure have
served prison sentences for similar time, because I promise you
(09:24):
there have been people who have gone away for mortgage fraud.
I was working a terrorism case many years ago where
the investigators realized we couldn't get the guy on terrorism,
but somebody involved was involved in a mortgage fraud, and
there was this whole dispute as to whether we should
use counter terrorism resources.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Very high end.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Nail the guy on the mortgage fraud even though we
couldn't get him on the terrorism charge. You know, it
gets into this capone thing. Anyway, won't get too deep
into that, but play if she sent anyone away or
anyone was sent away under her tenure or before her
tenure for mortgage fraud in the state of New York,
and she is guilty of this crime, she has to
go to sell. I agree, And there are several other things.
(10:03):
We're going to play this audio for you in a moment,
because I think this is a huge story. Remember she
said repeatedly, no one is above the law. She also
refused to allow Trump to argue. And by the way,
this is one billion percent true.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Trump had a huge team.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Of people working on his investment papers with the major
investment bank. Trump is not sitting there with a pencil
going through like writing all the information in. He has
an entire organization of people. This is important, Buck, because
she's gonna say, I bet I didn't do this. Somebody
else filled this out for me. They just checked the
(10:40):
wrong box. That's specifically the defense she said was unacceptable
for Trump. In an they have her on the Act.
It's just a question of the intent. They're going to
have to argue intent on this, and with this kind
of stuff that can be very especially when you're the
state attorney general. You don't know what a mortgage paperwork
looks like. Okay, here's the other part of this. And
she doesn't run a major business organization. I wouldn't imagine
(11:04):
she's applying for that many mortgages. She's like, in this respect,
a normal person. Here's the other thing, buck, in order
to get another property in Brooklyn. She said that she
and her dad were married, because married couples often get
lower rates of mortgages than singles do same last name.
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I presume this is also going to get hard to
explain this is a different property in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Can I just point this out, Clay.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
They're going to try so hard to say that this
is vindictive, that this is political payback, that this is
all of these things with these crimes. It's like possession crime.
If they find for the gun thing when he has
on drugs exactly, or this is not a oh but
(11:56):
are you within the scope of your office and the no, no, no, no,
there's no argument here. You either did the thing that
is a violation of a law, or you didn't and
they would not be talking about this.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
If this is paperwork, they either have her or they don't.
Dead rights, she's in a world of trouble. Yeah, well,
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All right, welcome back into clay An Buck. We're talking
about this pretty incredible story of the attorney general of
the state of New York who went after Trump in
a way that was I truly you know, Trump won
the election. I could see here now, Clay, and I
would sity you. Now we could reflect and say, you know,
I can see how she made the case or I
(14:45):
can understand, and in fact, my one hundred percent certainty
has only stayed at one hundred percent certainty that the
whole thing was a political hit, and it was a disgrace,
a disgrace to my home.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
State, which I will always love. I love New York.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I know I sound like I'm selling the T shirts
by Central Park, but I love New York I always will.
It's a fantastic place. But bad leadership, bad politics running
the show, and Clay, what she did to Trump was
a disgrace. It was a disgrace to the rule of law,
and that she has no real interest in falling law
(15:18):
herself is only too perfect given what we already know
about this individual. Here's Fox News senior reporter Eric Sean.
He lays out in some good detail. I want to
hear the actual specific allegations. It's cut twenty five Play it.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
James, whose public salary is two hundred and twenty thousand
dollars a year, has obtained home loans for several properties
with claims that are apparently false. In twenty twenty three
paper show, she claimed to house in Norfolk, Virginia as
her primary residence, which qualifies for a lower mortgage rate.
But you know she is serving in public office in
(15:53):
all but in New York, and that's five hundred miles
away from Norfolk. She bought another building with her father
as a co sign, calling herself his wife, and there
referral also shows that she bought this brownstone in Brooklyn,
New York, but misrepresented the number of units that are
in it. Love that lowers the mortgage rate there too.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Clay, if the facts are correct here, she is a
serial felony financial crime offender, as the top law enforcement
officer of New York State completely, and we should mention
that is a Fox News report. During that Fox News report,
they have still photos of the application showing the boxes
(16:37):
that she checked, which are laws which I presume has
been in the documents that have been turned over to
a G. Pambondi at the Department of Justice. Now, this
is also kind of significant.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You mentioned New York, and we know that we have
a kangaroo court oftentimes unfortunately in the state of New
York and in Brooklyn, in the New York City area.
That be even more the case when it comes to
democrats not being held accountable. Virginia, they could bring these
charges in the state of Virginia for the Norfolk residence.
(17:11):
She could face a multi state charge. Right, she could
be charged for the crime in New York where it occurred.
This is fed Virginia where it occurred. Yes, more mortgage.
So that's the thing, mortgage fraud. Like a lot of crimes.
You know, people don't even know this. Drug possession is
a federal and state crime in most in most states.
Now some states actually don't have that but for certain drugs.
(17:33):
But so they can go either way. But Clay, I
mean federal, She's she's in a whole lot of trouble, right, yeah,
And I think again, you get a judge in Virginia
and a court in Virginia that might be far more
inclined to convict than in New York, so you could
bring charges in both jurisdictions. We gotta we gotta find guys.
Find me for either New York or Virginia. Just any
(17:53):
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(19:00):
Kathy Hokeel. I would if I were the governor of
New York find it somewhat alarming that my attorney general,
in charge of chief law enforcement in the country, I
mean in a state, was potentially engaging in fraud. I've
not seen a statement from Kathy Hockle yet. And again,
this is not very complicated. If the Fox documents that
(19:22):
they showed on the broadcast, we played the audio for you.
If those are accurate, this is an open and shut case.
Like you click a box on a mortgage application, Buck,
your analogy about Hunter Biden and the gun charge is
easy too. I mean, when you say on a mortgage application,
under penalty of law, I submit the following. She is
(19:44):
an attorney, It's not like she's an unsophisticated person. And
the brazen this year Buck to do this while you
were trying to basically bankrupt President Trump. Also, it reminds
me of Elliot Spitzer, one of the biggest scumbags in
the LEA legal and political world of all time where
that guy was prosecuting people for paying hookers while he
(20:09):
was paying hookers and was like, oh, but you know
when I do it. No, no, buddy, no, no. This
is a huge This is a huge problem. If we
have a regime where the people enforcing the laws do
not live under the laws. We do not have a
regime of laws. Okay, that is absolutely ironclad, and Clay,
let's just play. Let's play a game. You're gonna probably
(20:29):
throw some in the mix that I'm gonna forget, but
let's play a game. Because we say this like they
accuse us of doing what they actually do. Early in
the Trump administrator, this is this is the first one
I can think of a few Early in the Trump administration,
we were hearing that Jared Kushner and Ivanka were benefiting
from their dad, you know, financially corruption stuff. Jared's already
(20:52):
a billionaire a few times over. Ivanka has been famous
since I've known her since we were twelve years old. Like,
this is just not but just that's what they said.
And then we find out that Hunter is straight up
getting tens of millions of dollars while he's a crackhead
paid to him that he's hiding in LLCs and not
paying taxes on because of daddy. Okay, that's one. We
hear that Donald Trump needs to have a raid at
(21:13):
mar a Lago of classified documents because it's so important
in clay classified documents, national security, rah rah rah. And
then we find that hunt, I mean, Joe Biden is
plastering his garage with top secret documents, leaving him next
to the corvette to show fans and buddies on audio
talking to his biographer about the fact that he has
(21:36):
classified documents, and then the biographer tried to delete all
of the evidence of that recording of Biden admitting that
he knew that he had those documents in his possession
and was sharing them with a guy who was writing
a book about him, right, So that kind of put
a damper on the whole Trump classified documents thing.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And now we have we have Latisia James.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Let me also add the corruption of Fannie Willis and
her paramore bringing charges against Trump and you can him
you seven one hundred thousand dollars her lover boy to
be taxpayer dollars, I mean, but can they get a
(22:18):
prosecutor to go after Trump that isn't actually a criminal.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
The answer seems to be no.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
The answer seems to be that the people that want
to use the law to Trump to take Trump down
themselves have big problems with law.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And can I just be clear? Is there any argument
about this?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Does does anyone want to Maybe I should go on
CNN and get on the Scott Jennings panel for a
night and just be like, who wants to fight on
this issue? Because you guys are wrong. I mean, Scott
would be with me, but the other side, you guys
are wrong. I mean, this is such an opening cutch,
open and shut case because the document is there. And
I bet most of you out there listening at some
(22:55):
point in time have had to apply for a mortgage,
and if you are fortunate enough to own more than
one home, I guarantee that this is something that you
understand very well. Or if you've ever purchased to help
to purchase a second home for a child or a grandchild.
The rates on secondary homes are often substantially higher because
(23:19):
the primary residence thing is such a huge part of
many people's mortgage application. This is where I live.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
She didn't even live in a border.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
State Buck she lived Clay in the state of New
York and said she was claiming to be living in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
She knew what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And even beyond that, as somebody who is as a
think about this, everyone your and we.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Have prosecutors, can we actually can we open lines?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I want some prosecutor takes on this, like how outraged
you are, or any anyone who's worked on the you know,
the criminal justice side of things, Judges, prosecutors, anybody, if
you want to call it and tell us how you
feel about this. Because Clay, that's why I brought up
the Spitzer component of this. This is somebody who is
sitting there looking across the table at people and saying,
(24:06):
because of what you did. And in the case of
mortgage fraud, I'm just going to say this, I actually
think the mortgage fraud laws are too severe and a
little bit a little bit nutso because you know the bank,
I mean, you're paying for the mortgage. Okay, the rate's
a little different, you know, it gets a little more
into like an assessment gray area on some of this stuff.
I'm just gonna you know, it can be very severe
(24:28):
punishment for a pretty nonsense, like the bank's not going
to go under because you got a you know, two
percent point two percentage point or point five percentage point loan,
you know difference.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But put that aside. The law is the law. Play.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
She sits across the table from defendants every day who
commit financial crimes, who commit mortgage fraud, and says, you
are now a felon, you know, because it's all deals, right,
we used to ruin their lives. She has the power
to ruin people's lives over regularly. Look procedural related issues, right,
we're talking about like you pulled a gun out and
(25:01):
shot someone or not. In fact, in fact, I think
she probably sat down across from a lot of those
people and was like, we want to give you a
second chance, you know, we want.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To help you out.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You know, so you pistol with that guy running the
seven to eleven and pointed a gun at his head,
you probably had a tough childhood. I guarantee you Chis James.
When she got an opportunity, as we saw with Donald Trump,
to make an example out of somebody who is of
the you know, either the elites or somebody who's a
Republican and not politically connected or a financial crime of
(25:32):
any kind. She made an example of them. She sat
there and looked at people and said, you were going
to go into a cell for a nonviolent crime. You're
going to only be able to see your family during
visiting days, and your reputation is ruined. And she was
doing that while she was doing the same thing over
and over again. Buck they put the CFO in crime
(25:54):
because he didn't claim a car allowance on thank you return.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Perfect example.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Seven or some odd year old accountant had to go
to prison because he didn't take a correct deduction because
they gave him a car allowance that he didn't own
on his tax return. I mean, I know this is
a different kind of thing. But they sent our man
Steve Bannon. They sent Navarro to prison for not violating
the executive privilege because we had a bunch of Democrat
(26:23):
lunatics who wanted them to turn on the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
By the way, to all do.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Credit to Bannon and Navarro for standing tall on that.
The accountant went to prison. All right, well that's an
even better example. Account went to prison. Hey, he went
to the seniors wing in Rikers on Rykers Island.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Again.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I looked for the NYPD a horrible place, a horrifying,
traumatizing for.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Everybody who goes there.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm not just talking about people that aren't used to
be like even people that spend some time in facilities.
You'd much rather go to prison in like, you know,
Utah than you would in Riker's ion. Let me tell you, Okay,
So you know, Clay, this is just indicative of how
we were lectured for years by these democrats. Not even
(27:10):
just lectured, they were shrieking. They were enraged about how
Trump was such a threat to the rule of law.
And then they've just completely turned this whole thing on
its head, weaponized the rule of law. And the people
shouting the loudest were some of the dirtiest. And we're
supposed to what, forget about this, We're supposed to let
(27:32):
this slide. I'm sorry. I think the standard for prosecutors
who break the law should be, you know, even higher.
I'll give an example this, Clay. You know, police officers
when someone is in custody. You know, if you're a
police officer and you you know, you just aside you've
had enough in some guy's handcuffed and you break his
(27:54):
jaw you are in a world of trouble for that right,
because there's an elevated responsibility once something and I'm talking
I'm not talking about the arrest. I'm talking about once
someone is in custody, once he has been taken into custody,
abuse is treated extremely seriously because law enforcement has an
elevated responsibility due to their elevated power. Same thing should
(28:17):
be true for prosecutors with criminal law. You're going to
use the law as a weapon against people, and then
you're going to break the law yourself. You should get
maximum top of the guidelines every time. We cannot have
prosecutors who think they are above the law. She definitely
directly prosecuted Weiselberg for I mean, this is the New
York got a a attorney general, She's got a good guys.
(28:41):
Nothing less than prison if she if she, if she's
guilty of this, this is all alleged. Maybe all this
is where you're happening to the legal dance. Maybe all
the facts are wrong, or maybe she should serve time
in a prison cell if these allegations are true. No deals, no,
you know, probation uh and should be federal and this
(29:01):
should be this should be the way this goes down,
that is what justice looks like here. And if anything,
I tend to be a little squishy on nonviolent crimes,
not when you're a prosecutor. Not when you're sending people
away and telling them their families don't get to see
them for a few Thanksgivings because they got a tip
on a stock. And remember again, she claims she was
married to her dad. I mean that is serious fraud, right.
(29:25):
They probably have the same last name. She's expecting that
they're not going to pay attention. That's my bet. And
Virginia as the primary residence. When you are required by law,
if you are the New York State Attorney General, to
have your primary residence in the state of New York.
This is really easy stuff. And to the point buck, theoretically,
(29:46):
you could charge each of these fraud acts one in
New York because that is where the property is that
she claims she was married to her dad, one in Virginia,
and you could prosecute both and theoretically get different jury.
If you're worried about how a New York City jury
might respond compared to a Virginia jury, I would bet. Also,
(30:07):
I'll reiterate this, I bet this is a state crime too,
so it's federal, yes, but I bet there is a
mortgage fraud statute in the state of New York. I
know that there is because of my experience in New York. Absolutely,
so when I was the NYPD, it could have been
state or federal, which is why it's so useful clay,
when you're doing like a terrorism investigation, because if the
(30:28):
Feds don't want it, we could still take it on
the state side at the PDE. So this is well,
my point on that is, we know Glenn Youngkin is
the governor, and we know Jason Miarrez is the Attorney
general in Virginia. So not only may she have federal
issues to consider with Pam Bondy as the attorney general,
because there are certainly federal charges here, she might have
(30:50):
to worry about state charges being brought by the Republican
governor and attorney general because she might be somewhat protected
in New York in a way that she might not
be in Virginia, which is why that's significant too. I
think that's I think that's true, and I would just
add to this Clay. They probably will start to run
a oh, it's no it's a no harm, no foul crime.
And again I would agree with that to some extent
(31:14):
if the argument was made in a vacuum applicable to
or rather if the argument was made in a way
that was applicable to all and all going forward. She
used this to go after Trump. She has used this
to incarcerate other people. I'm sure of it, just because
this is a standard crime that has brought, you know,
standard charge that has brought against people in states across
the country. And if you if you're gonna if you're
(31:37):
gonna lock there's a very important legal principle here. If
you're gonna lock people away for something as a prosecutor,
and you do the same thing, you get the same time,
absolutely critical. And also think about the just sheer, bravado
and arrogance to do this while you are prosecuting cases
(31:59):
on fraud. It's just it's I agree with you. I
think it's worse. We should hold her to a higher
stand absolutely, and the arrogance to do it while you're
trying to put people away in prison. You're gonna put
Trump's accountant in Rikers Island because they didn't announce that
he had a car.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I would argue.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I would argue that prosecutors should have the highest ethical
standards of anyone in our entire government and entire government apparatus.
I mean, judges would be kind of next on the list.
But the decision to prosecute is the decision to destroy.
I've sat in meetings where that decision has been made,
Clay Right, You've dealt with it from the trying to
(32:41):
save somebody from the destruction side. On the defense side,
I've been there when they've said, are we going to
pass this along? You know, what does the DA think
on this?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I've been in some of those meetings. Once the charge comes,
so much damage has already done. Even if the person,
even if the charges eventually would driver pay attention to
the result. The charge gets a ton of attention, even
the allegation in the cases of sexual assault, which is
why I've been so fired up about the me two
cases in general. But she should first of all, this
(33:10):
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be allowed to stay as Attorney General with these allegations.
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Speaker 2 (35:05):
Right Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
We had a pretty quick turnaround here on Clay and
Buck will take some calls and get into some more
of your thoughts on This is a big story and
it goes to a lot of what we've talked about
here on the show about the weaponization of law and
democrats have they they wanted it, they messed around, and
now they're finding out they decided to push all this stuff.
So I think reciprocity here, meaning in enforcing the law
(35:31):
as it is actually written in these cases is critical.
Let's a VIP email from Jim. If Martha Stewart had
to do time for insider trading, Latissa James should do time.
Clay again, I agree with the principal and that was
James Comy. Everybody, big surprise there.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Look, I mean the idea behind many people who are
celebrities being charged, and I'm not taking a side on
whether or not I agree with it, is that it
provides notice to people who are not famous of the
consequences of behavior, whether you're faces or infamous, or or
just any call up to terrence prosecution. That's right, is
the is the term they use in the industry.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
John and Pallisades Park, New Jersey. Way in my friends,
why are your first?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Congratulations on a new baby and thank you Easter. I
just hope, I hope you guys are right, But I
think you're getting way too excited. I think she's just
gonna do an otani. He's going to find somebody else
to blame it on.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
She will talk.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Who's is that the baseball player? Yeah, the baseball player.
Thanks for the call in. Happy Easter to everybody. A
little bit in advance. But yeah, Otani gambling case. Evidently
he was not involved in those cases, so I don't
want to throw him under the bus. He had a
financial advisor that was reportedly managing his money that was
paid placing lots of bets. As a result, that guy's
going to prison. Otani is perfectly fine. We'll talk more
(36:50):
about this. I think Letitia's in trouble.
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