October 30, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 kicks off with Clay and Buck sharing lighthearted banter about Buck’s new haircut and the skyrocketing cost of home window treatments, before diving into major political and cultural topics dominating the news cycle. The hour centers on President Donald Trump’s Asia trip, highlighting his high-stakes meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Trump rated the summit a “12 out of 10,” touting trade stability, tariff reductions, and agreements on rare earth minerals and agricultural exports like soybeans. The hosts analyze what these developments mean for the U.S.–China relationship, the economy, and the strategic ambiguity surrounding Taiwan. Buck offers insights from his recent visit to Taiwan, raising critical questions about how America might respond if China escalates tensions.
The conversation shifts to domestic politics with previews of key election polling in New Jersey, Virginia, and New York City, plus an upcoming interview with Indiana’s lieutenant governor on redistricting battles. Clay and Buck also touch on cultural flashpoints, including Kamala Harris’s rough book tour in Australia, Gavin Newsom’s misleading claims, and JD Vance’s surprising comments on UFOs.
A major segment focuses on Riley Gaines, the former NCAA swimmer and outspoken advocate for women’s sports, who is under attack from progressive voices like AOC and Bravo personality Jennifer Welch. The hosts defend Gaines, dissecting the growing backlash against her stance on fairness in women’s athletics and exploring the broader cultural divide over transgender participation in sports. They argue this controversy reflects the left’s desperation as they lose ground in cultural debates.
Clay gives a shout-out to the Radio Hall of Fame induction of Julie Talbott and Colin Cowherd.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We are rolling in the Thursday edition of the program.
I am in Chicago looking out over a beautiful vista
here from the thirtieth floor of the iHeart Building. I'm
also gazing upon the hip. I gotta be honest with you.
Buck has gotten the hippest haircut in the history of
(00:26):
the show. May he may be announcing that he has
joined a boy band in his spare time, and we'll
be on tour soon. I'm expecting him to have a
big gold chain also on here. I Buck with you
were concerned that your hair was not fitting into the shots,
(00:48):
so you have gone. My boys, my sons would describe
this as a low taper fade of sorts like this
is a very popular haircut. I am describing it as
the old man on here, and I mean again, Buck,
you look like you're twenty four years old.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now we're gonna have a new audience.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I went into my neighborhood. Join here my barber shop
with my Cubans, my Cuban Americans.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Everyone there.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Everyone's speaking only Spanish except for me. I speak no Spanish,
no a blast Spaniel. These guys have tattoos all over
their forearms. By the way, they look like all these
soccer players that you see now that all have the
sleeve tattoos. They got all the tattoos, they have all
the cool haircuts. And I just said, you know what, man,
just do what you think.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Will look cool. And here I am.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So if you are listening on the radio, millions of
you on the radio listening side, you should subscribe to
our YouTube channel so YouTube can enjoy Clay's commentary slash
gentle mockery of my very contemporary haircut that I got.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But you know it is a very good look. I mean,
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
When they put this up on the YouTube, which I'm
told is popular with the kids, our subscriber number going
to skyrocket, and you're gonna have cachet and trust that
you have never had before because people are gonna say,
guy got that haircut.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
He can't be wrong on anything, so pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
They said in Spanish, let's make this guy look like
he doesn't live in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And they said something on Michael Pakekeaton n Espanol, and
I was like, okay, you guys, just do your thing,
and here we are. Now I am mouy colliente. Oh,
I can even translate that. It's funny you were starting
off with the Spanish. My wife was getting ready for
bed last night and she heard the description that we
(02:36):
had on the show of me talking about walking naked
in front of the in front of the windows down
in the new house. And she is working to learn Spanish,
and so she's taken Spanish for a long time, but
she's been trying to get better at Spanish, and so
she spoke as if she were one of the Hispanic
(02:58):
construction workers displeased. I have no idea what she was
saying about the fact that they had been exposed to
my naked body. Because we don't have window treatments, which
you and I were talking about off air as we
get ready to roll here, maybe the most expensive thing
on the planet that before I was married, I had
no idea would end up costing me what it does.
(03:18):
Windows are the wet weddings and windows are maybe the
two biggest unnecessary expenses that I've ever heard of in
my life.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I had no idea what it cost.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Carrie got multiple estimates for window treatments for our home here,
and it was a hard I was hard no, hard No,
it's a pass. I've heard enough.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's a no.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The money they wanted for like very basic stuff, and
I was all different. So that is what it costs
apparently down here. But I just said, he just have nothing.
It's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, I think for one thousand dollars you should
be able to have the greatest window covering of all time.
And evidently that's an absurdly ridiculous idea. Makes me want
to start my own cheap window treatments because it seems
like it makes sense. But we will talk about a
lot of these different things. Ryan Gardusky's going to join
us at one. We've got more polling coming out on
(04:09):
New Jersey, on Virginia, and on New York City. What
do we think as we sit? What is it five
days before official election? Next Tuesday, We're going to talk
with the Lieutenant governor of Indiana. He is instrumental in
a battle that is now being fought in Indiana to
potentially redistrict there as many different states continue to make decisions.
(04:30):
Buck I was reading this morning on my travel I
got up early to fly to Chicago. Wall Street Journal
had a great trans is a social contagion opinion article
that I thought was very interesting. Riley Gaines, our friend
just continues to get ripped to by people on the left,
and we're going to talk a little bit about that.
(04:51):
I got my rankings of Halloween candies for you, buck.
As is Halloween Eve. It is all hallows, all hallows Eve,
I guess. And Kamala has been on a book tour
and she's getting raked over the coles by media in
Australia that's actually pressing her and asking her questions. I
will just say I think Kamala got jealous of all
(05:15):
the attention Karine Jean Pierre was getting, and so she decided,
maybe I can do even worse than Karine Jean Pierre
for a day or two and everyone will just start
focusing on me. I'm not sure that's the move I
would make, but that's the move she's made. It will
not surprise you, but Gavin Newsome, the most blatant liar
in all of politics, is lying about Charlie Kirk and
(05:38):
about Joe Biden. Jd vance weight in on UFO's buck.
I don't know if you have seen this. He is
on Team Clay as someone who does not hate all
nice things, and so we could have a stake bet
on this one because you'd be so total. Well, it
might have to be for the rest of our lives,
because who knows when we're actually going to know for
sure that I'm right, And there are UFOs. But we
(05:59):
begin with President Trump, who is currently in the air
en route to America back from Asia after having met
with China in the late hours here uh in the evening,
as he is flying from the future twelve hours in
front of us back to the United States, and he's
already weighed in on what the discussions were like with China, and,
(06:22):
not surprisingly in typical Trump fashion, on a scale of
one to ten, how did he think the meeting went.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Listen, overall, I guess on this scale, I'm from zero
to ten, with ten being the best.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I would say the meeting was at twelve. I think
it was twelve.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I think very importantly, you know, just the whole relationship
was very, very important. I think it was very good.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Especially coming on the heels of the successful trip were
in Malaysia. You signed a peace deal for Cambodia and Thailand,
critical mineral deals with all our allies.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So many successful, so many beings payed for our country
with time. Literally hundreds of billions trillions of dollars have
come into a country over the last four days represented
by this meeting, but trillions of dollars where Toyota is
going to build plans, ten billion dollars with the plans,
you know, I could go over so many different companies
(07:17):
coming in that pouring money into the United States.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So uh, this is a positive sign.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
There's reports that Trump is lowered at least somewhat the
overall tariffs on China, that there is a pledge from
China to help to restrict overall fentanyl access to the
United States, since China is producing much of the raw
material that is later used to turn into this drug
that comes into the United States and kills so many
(07:45):
different people overall, I would say buck. As the stock
market has proven since April, it's up about two thousand
points in the S and P five hundred. There seems
to be a form of trade stability that is coming.
And I actually want to get your take because you
just came from Taiwan. I haven't seen any discussion about Taiwan,
(08:07):
but based on mutual respect and a relationship in play,
it feels like basically, China US relations are going to
be pretty calm over the next few years, at least
while Trump's in office.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You buy it. What's your take on this?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
If the Chinese live up to their side of this,
which they have not in the past. To be clear,
they have made promises, including to President Trump in his
first term. That and then COVID happened, and when Biden
came into office things got derailed, but they did not
follow through on those initial trade agreements. So I think
(08:46):
that Trump very much wants to set this framework up
and that's important. That stability is a very good thing.
For example, soybeans now are going to get purchased again
by our soybean from our soybean farmers, by the Chinese.
For those of you who are familiar with Chinese cuisine,
it will not surprise you to know that China is
(09:06):
by far the biggest purchaser of US soybeans. I think
it's like sixty or seventy percent of the entire crop,
and they had been buying it from Brazil now for
a lot of US. You might say, why does that
matter so much, Well, it's billions of dollars of agricultural
products that are farmers were expecting, you know, to be
able to export, and that's been really a big pressure
(09:27):
point on them in the Midwest. So that's being addressed.
The rare earth minerals issue also critical, and now China
has said, fine, fine, we'll give you the rare earth
that you need. Really just think of it as the
special metals and things that you need for tech, for
high tech stuff, whether it's things that involve the things
(09:48):
that evolve drones, robotics, microchip so all this are the
things your smartphone, your laptop. China says they're going to
get more of that or they're going to continue to
provide that on the market. They're not going to cut us.
This was a big leverage point for them. I still
think the US should be doing a lot of its
own rare earth mining now. As for the stability part
of this, because that's obviously huge. If China continues on
(10:11):
this pathway of not just agreeing with Trump and through
these negotiations to do certain things, but actually does them,
I think that is going to be really good for
the US economy and it's also good for relations in
the region.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was in Taiwan, i interviewed the President of Taiwan
and had a whole range of national security meetings. The
more China it is enmeshed in a positive way with
the US economically, I think the better. The likelihood is
that there's not going to be the flash point Taiwan
(10:48):
situation of the invasion, but that can change in a hurry.
And there still is a real difficult right now relationships
specifically between the mainline than Taiwan. They've really cut off trade.
What do you think that we need to get that
going again?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I know we're going to break here in a minute, so,
but big question, what do you think the US would
do if China actually invaded Taiwan? Because we have a
strategic ambiguity perspective For people who don't know, what do
you think having just been there is a very good question, uh,
And the answer is President Trump. It's up to President Trump, right.
(11:26):
That's really what it comes down to is what has
China done? What are our options?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
We do not have.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
We have a policy of strategic ambiguity. Our stated policy
on this matter is we're not sure what we'll do.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
We're not going to tell you.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Pete Hegsett, the Secretary of Defense, has made some pretty
strong statements in support of Taiwan really just supported the
status quo. And you know, no one's saying that Taiwan
should try to go independent. They just want the perpetuation
of the current realities, which is a self gone governing Taiwan,
(12:01):
but not addressing the One China policy specifically. And it's weird.
I know, it sounds like, what does that even mean? Well,
that's where things are, that is that is what it is.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And you know, our my friend Steve Yates, who was
really our shirpa, our guide on the ground in Taiwan,
he's actually traveling with Secretary of Defense Hegseth right now.
He's part of the press pool and is covering all
these events. So he's been in contact with me about
you know, he's been at the she Trump negotiations and
he will be uh when he comes back from his
East Asia leg, which will be next week. I think
(12:36):
he'll call in and tell us, you know, what he
saw firsthand. And because there's really interesting things going on
in Japan right now, really important things happening in South Korea.
Trump said that we're going to start testing nukes again.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of pieces from this
Asia trip that matter to all of us.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And he wants to go back and visit China, and
he wants to go see Kim Jong un in North Korea.
So I think he's going to be back in Asia
in the spring based on his plans. And yeah, if
you want the elementary school version of what our relationship
is with Taiwan, remember the old school, and you would
(13:12):
pass the little note to a girl and you would
give her like, hey, do you want to be my girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And then there was oftentimes the maybe box down to bottom.
We're in the maybe box with Taiwan. Nobody knows what's
actually gonna happen, and it is strategically the goal. So
we'll break down this Trump coming back from China. Lots
of different things are Buddy Ryan Gardusky gonna be with us,
as well as Micah Beck with the Indiana Lieutenant governor.
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Speaker 1 (15:25):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
President Trump feeling pretty darn good about the negotiations with
Xijin Ping of China. This has always been the big one.
This has always been the most important and most challenging
of the trade negotiations that Trump has on his plate.
And well, here is what the big guy is saying
about how he feels right now.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
This is uh cut one play it.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
You can beat your dog. We've plented to see you again,
to see you again, and we're going to have a
very successful meeting.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I have no doubt.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Well you always, but he's a very tough negotiator.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's not good.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That all too.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
We know each other, well, tell.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You, because if you plan to sign a.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Trade fields agad.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
We have we'll have a great understand We have a
great relationship. We've always had a great relationship.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Sorry, it was a little tough there because he's waiting
for the translator.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I know what that's like. I did the same thing
in Taiwan.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You got to speak a little bit, let let the
translator go, and then speak a little more, let the
translator go.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But what he's just saying is he's got a great
relationship with She. He says he's a tough negotiator, but
he's thinking good things are going to happen. And now
Trump has said that the SHE meeting was a twelve
out of ten. So I think he feels a very
trump fashion, very trump fashion.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Probably the greatest meeting of all meetings. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And and I think that this is just reflected in
the way that people still feel very clay, I think,
very bullish about the markets, the economy. They go, You
got Jerome Powell probably on his way out as fed
share more rate cuts coming. It is possible for things
to keep getting better, actually, when you have the right
people in charge.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
That's my takeaway. No, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And again everyone there would there are a lot of
things you could disagree with Trump on, but when everybody said, oh,
Trump's gonna let the economy go to hell, back at April.
I think a lot of you out there just said,
you know, maybe Trump's not gonna make every decision that
I'm gonna agree with or you're gonna agree with, although
(17:38):
most of the time he has. But the one thing
I felt very confident about was Trump was going to
be really good for the economy. And Trump has been
really good for the economy. Now there are challenges in
rebounding from the disaster that was Biden and his inflation,
but overall trajectory very very good.
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Welcome back in Claytravis Buck Second Stem Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am in Chicago.
By the way, I should mention why our awesome boss,
Julie Talbot is being inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame,
and so I'm up here for that.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Also, Colin Cowherd, good friend of mine. I think you've
had him on. We've had him on the show at
some point. His radio show, Sports Talk Show is on
pretty much the same time as our show. But he's
also being inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame up
here in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
All right. I wanted to play this.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Because I think we pulled it over from yesterday. We
had Riley Gaines on earlier this week. She is awesome.
Congratulations if you heard Riley on the show with us.
She just had a baby a month ago. She works
at out Kick. I've gotten to know she and Louie
her husband. They are just fantastic people, really salt of
(19:58):
the earth. There, just really good people. Louie her husband's
also a swimmer. Only thing bad I can say about
Riley is that she went to the University of Kentucky
instead of her home state University of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But nobody's perfect.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And so Riley was talking about the fact that she
got attacked by AOC just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
AOC decided that she was gonna rip Riley.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And then this awful chick who evidently comes out of
the Bravo world. And I mean, since she is being
so incredibly nasty to Riley, as you're gonna hear her,
be let me just tee off on this chick off
the top. Her name is evidently Jennifer Welch, and she
(20:46):
is just an I'm gonna try to think how to
phrase this while still having FCC restrictions in play. Well, basically,
she's an awful bitch, and she is also representative of
a particular type of I would say, liberal white woman.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Who is just nasty and awful.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I think this is the foundation now of the
Democrat Party. So unfortunately, she is representative of what I
think the base of the Democrat Party is like. And
I'm gonna play this for you because I just think
it's important to understand.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
All Riley has done is.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Say, hey, men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports.
And she has said that because she actually swam against
a man who won an NCAA title two years ago.
This Leah Thomas character. So here is what Jennifer Welch
said on her podcast. We've had to bleep it, but
(21:49):
obviously it was not bleeped on her podcast. We do
have FCC standards, and so I want you to hear it,
and I want you to think if Riley was your
daughter or your granddaughter, all she's done is say, hey,
men have no place in women's athletics. This is how
this awful bitch responded to or Jennifer Welch.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
Riley Gaines, all you do is hate on people. You
are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people.
You show them no grace, no compassion, You defend billionaires,
You cheer and celebrate when children are zip tied, and
then you have the audacity to get on television and
try to lecture people who fight for the people that
(22:29):
are suffering, that stand and put their arms around people
that need sanctuary, and you try to act like you're
better than they are. You're an insufferable Nobody likes you,
and no matter what, you will always have been the
dumb bitch that tied for fifth place, and the only
place that you can get a job is at bottom
(22:50):
feed or Fox News. You insufferable. Nobody likes you, except
for the other fake Christians that enjoy in their spare
time watch children get zip tied and then sit there
and justify it while they read the Bible with their
hideous crucifixit crucifixes around their necks.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So the Riley gaines, Okay, So so Clay's it's horrendous.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's this woman the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But getting beyond all the name calling in the nastiness
and everything there, I have two things on this. One
is it goes without saying, but I'm going to say it.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
A lot of people think Riley Gaines is pretty amazing. Acutely,
we employed.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Her it out kick, so I guess we are also
like awful bottom feeders. But she's an amazing employee and
an awesome person. She's a lovely she's a lovely human being.
She's a mom, she's a wife. She is respected for
her voice and what she's what she's doing, which is
standing up for women and women's sports all over America,
(23:54):
but also broader social commentary. Uh, people who have actually
competed at any level of physical endeavor, which I'm sure
this woman who only thinks she's competing in is the
Botox Olympics. I think they all greatly respect being the
fifth best swimmer in the NCAA and the United States.
That's an incredible accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, imagine being like, oh, silver medalist at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What a loser like?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's basically the same mentality that we're talking about here. No,
if you're the silver medalist at the Olympics, is not
a loser unless you're such a loser that you have
no idea what it is to be good at anything
and to work hard at something. Also, respectfully, Riley popular
with heterosexual men, across America, married woman, a young baby.
(24:43):
But I'm just saying a lot of people like Riley.
So this notion that no one likes Riley Gaines, this
is this something. This is bitterness and nastiness from a woman.
But beyond that, beyond that, she unfortunately play this, this
Welsh person is growing in popularity very quickly. Yeah, because
(25:04):
she is. And this is why it matters. This is
why you're playing this clip. This is why all of
a sudden, we're taking the time, because they're losing the
angry you know, Danix and wine swilling, left wing coastal
boss Babe wanna be lib no Kings, protest attending White
(25:27):
women of America are very sad right now, and they're
very sad in general, and they're looking for people to
blame because they're losing the argument and they're losing the culture.
And so the nastiness and it is truly nasty. And
you and I wouldn't you know, we'd never speak about
anybody in the world of commentary the way that she's
speaking about Riley. You know, even on the other side,
(25:48):
it's just just lines being crossed. But she's popular, Clay
because this is tapping into the zeitgeist of these democrat
white women in America right now, and that's why it's concerning,
because they're getting increasingly desperate, increasingly pathetic, and increasingly vicious.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You would want Riley to be your daughter or your granddaughter.
I will just say that. And I think that's one
reason she connects so well, not only with people who
were Fox News viewers, which would tend to be older
people in general, but also why she's so popular on
social media, why we hired her at OutKick, and why
she has continued to connect so well with the Turning
(26:29):
Point crowd, with the college campus crowd. I mean, she
just graduated herself a couple of years ago. She's still
I think, like twenty four to twenty five years old
right now. But I think what you hit on, I
want people to hear the kind of awfulness that is
out there, and then listen to what she said the
same person. And to Buck's point, she is becoming very popular.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Here's listen to what she said about I just wanted
to just really quick, I just want to you know
that's she's not like some angry comment person that no one.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
She's actually rocking up and she's making a good living
by saying the things that we played for you, and yeah,
she's going after Charlie Kirk, and she's saying, we need
to have more celebration of Charlie Kirk's death. Cut eleven kudos.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
To Bernie, to aoc, to Zorn and that woman out
in somewhere Middle America saying Charlie Kirk, he was a racist,
he was a piece of shit. There are so many
more of us than there are of them. And these
Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations and lobbyists,
nobody wants that. Nobody wants you. We want politicians to
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speak freely and look at what the benefit is. Look
at what is happening in New York, and you are
sitting on the sidelines running your social media like complete dorks.
It's embarrassing. Get your together, hockeyman, Chuck, seriously, get your together,
because the Democratic Party is moving on.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So she goes on and they are a bunch of
those takes. They're losing the culture. And what happens when
you lose the culture is you start to get increasingly
desperate and you start to take bigger swings. And I
thought it was very strange that AOC out of nowhere
came after Riley Gaines. Now, this chick in a really
kind of awful way, which is not dissimilar to the
(28:26):
way that Simone Biles stepped into this. There's a calculated
attempt to come after Riley because she is speaking to
normal moms and normal daughters and granddaughters out there that
are looking around and saying, this culture's failing us. And remember,
and I'll say this before, but I met Riley, and
(28:47):
I said a long time ago when I first met her,
because she was starting to speak out and I saw
her online, and one of our first conversations, she said, yeah,
I was going to go to dental school. She was
all set up to go to dental school out of
the University of Kentucky until she swam against a man,
and everybody else just seemed completely willing to accept it.
(29:11):
They were just going to pretend like it was totally
normal for a man to put on a women's bathing suit,
spend time in the women's locker room, and win win
an NCAA women's championship and not speak out about it
at all. And so she just said, I can't keep
my mouth shut on this, and that's the reason she's
not a dentist.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So she didn't choose this bucket chose her.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, this is this is what is actually so emblematic
of the trans issue overall on all these matters, is
they make it your problem, whether it's about bathroom usage
or sports teams or you know, preferred pronouns or whatever.
They make demands of you. And then when you say,
hold on a second, I don't agree with that. You're
(29:56):
asking me to be party to a lie or party
to something that is unfair. They say, why are you
making such a big deal of this, Why are you
causing this issue? You know, there's a very clear passive aggressive,
really a gas lighting that is at the heart of
the whole transagenda approach. It really started out with just
(30:16):
be courteous, Just be kind, you me, all of you.
You all want to be courteous and kind. And of
course we always say to you, you treat a trans
person with dignity. You treat a transperson like the human
being they are. You're kind to them, you're respectful to them.
They're people like we're people. Some of them are in
need of substantial help, you know, mental health assistance, and
by the way, that's nothing to be ashamed of. That's
(30:37):
something that people should get help for. The same way
if you had a physical health issue that you needed
to get assistance for. But that's different, Clay, than saying
a six foot two guy should be spiking the volleyball
in the face of a girl who weighs one hundred
and twenty pounds, who's actually a girl.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
The reason why Riley is so effective is what you
just said, because people will say, I don't know why
you care about this.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
They'll say that's you.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
They'll say that to me, and you say, well, okay,
you don't think that I should care about basic competition standards.
I mean, that's an argument you can make Riley. You
can't say that to And notice what they try to
attack her by saying, oh, you came in fifth. They
never acknowledged that Leah Thomas came in first, that that
(31:22):
man won a women's championship. They always go to Riley
came in fifth. Like he swam a bunch of different events,
he won one of them comfortably. He's the NCAA women's champion.
But they always go to attacking Riley. To your point,
is also a sign that you know nothing about sports.
You're the fifth best swimmer in college. That's pretty freaking impressive.
(31:46):
How many people listening to us right now, myself included,
have ever been the fifth best in the nation at anything.
So the idea that you would attack somebody who is
one of the best at what they pursue is just
laughably obsord But that's where they are, and it's nasty
and it's toxic, and it's going to be happening more.
And I think we need to play it for you
(32:07):
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as the culture is moving against them. And the reason
they're attacking Riley is because she's having such strong impact.
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Buck new numbers.
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Coming out from New Jersey and Virginia as well as
New York City. Latest polling voting underway. Our buddy Ryan Gerdusky,
our affectionate data nerd who was fired by CNN for
making a great.
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Beeper joke, is going to be with us.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I was just to say, a nerd with a great
sense of humor. That's why I like him so much.
You know, he was just well wishing that he hoped
that his fellow panelist Peaper didn't go off. Maybe it's
the nineties. Maybe like doctors and drug dealers going people
with beepers.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Who knows. We'll talk about all this with Ryan in
just a minute.
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We are rolling in the Thursday edition of the program.
I am in Chicago looking out over a beautiful vista
here from the thirtieth floor of the iHeart Building. I'm
also gazing upon the hip. I gotta be honest with you.
Buck has gotten the hippest haircut in the history of
(00:26):
the show. May he may be announcing that he has
joined a boy band in his spare time, and we'll
be on tour soon. I'm expecting him to have a
big gold chain also on here. I Buck with you
were concerned that your hair was not fitting into the shots,
(00:48):
so you have gone. My boys, my sons would describe
this as a low taper fade of sorts like this
is a very popular haircut. I am describing it as
the old man on here, and I mean again, Buck,
you look like you're twenty four years old.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now we're gonna have a new audience.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I went into my neighborhood. Join here my barber shop
with my Cubans, my Cuban Americans.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Everyone there.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Everyone's speaking only Spanish except for me. I speak no Spanish,
no a blast Spaniel. These guys have tattoos all over
their forearms. By the way, they look like all these
soccer players that you see now that all have the
sleeve tattoos. They got all the tattoos, they have all
the cool haircuts. And I just said, you know what, man,
just do what you think.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Will look cool. And here I am.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So if you are listening on the radio, millions of
you on the radio listening side, you should subscribe to
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Speaker 1 (01:50):
But you know it is a very good look. I mean,
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
When they put this up on the YouTube, which I'm
told is popular with the kids, our subscriber number going
to skyrocket, and you're gonna have cachet and trust that
you have never had before because people are gonna say,
guy got that haircut.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
He can't be wrong on anything, so pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
They said in Spanish, let's make this guy look like
he doesn't live in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And they said something on Michael Pakekeaton n Espanol, and
I was like, okay, you guys, just do your thing,
and here we are. Now I am mouy colliente. Oh,
I can even translate that. It's funny you were starting
off with the Spanish. My wife was getting ready for
bed last night and she heard the description that we
(02:36):
had on the show of me talking about walking naked
in front of the in front of the windows down
in the new house. And she is working to learn Spanish,
and so she's taken Spanish for a long time, but
she's been trying to get better at Spanish, and so
she spoke as if she were one of the Hispanic
(02:58):
construction workers displeased. I have no idea what she was
saying about the fact that they had been exposed to
my naked body. Because we don't have window treatments, which
you and I were talking about off air as we
get ready to roll here, maybe the most expensive thing
on the planet that before I was married, I had
no idea would end up costing me what it does.
(03:18):
Windows are the wet weddings and windows are maybe the
two biggest unnecessary expenses that I've ever heard of in
my life.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I had no idea what it cost.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Carrie got multiple estimates for window treatments for our home here,
and it was a hard I was hard no, hard No,
it's a pass. I've heard enough.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's a no.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The money they wanted for like very basic stuff, and
I was all different. So that is what it costs
apparently down here. But I just said, he just have nothing.
It's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, I think for one thousand dollars you should
be able to have the greatest window covering of all time.
And evidently that's an absurdly ridiculous idea. Makes me want
to start my own cheap window treatments because it seems
like it makes sense. But we will talk about a
lot of these different things. Ryan Gardusky's going to join
us at one. We've got more polling coming out on
(04:09):
New Jersey, on Virginia, and on New York City. What
do we think as we sit? What is it five
days before official election? Next Tuesday, We're going to talk
with the Lieutenant governor of Indiana. He is instrumental in
a battle that is now being fought in Indiana to
potentially redistrict there as many different states continue to make decisions.
(04:30):
Buck I was reading this morning on my travel I
got up early to fly to Chicago. Wall Street Journal
had a great trans is a social contagion opinion article
that I thought was very interesting. Riley Gaines, our friend
just continues to get ripped to by people on the left,
and we're going to talk a little bit about that.
(04:51):
I got my rankings of Halloween candies for you, buck.
As is Halloween Eve. It is all hallows, all hallows Eve,
I guess. And Kamala has been on a book tour
and she's getting raked over the coles by media in
Australia that's actually pressing her and asking her questions. I
will just say I think Kamala got jealous of all
(05:15):
the attention Karine Jean Pierre was getting, and so she decided,
maybe I can do even worse than Karine Jean Pierre
for a day or two and everyone will just start
focusing on me. I'm not sure that's the move I
would make, but that's the move she's made. It will
not surprise you, but Gavin Newsome, the most blatant liar
in all of politics, is lying about Charlie Kirk and
(05:38):
about Joe Biden. Jd vance weight in on UFO's buck.
I don't know if you have seen this. He is
on Team Clay as someone who does not hate all
nice things, and so we could have a stake bet
on this one because you'd be so total. Well, it
might have to be for the rest of our lives,
because who knows when we're actually going to know for
sure that I'm right, And there are UFOs. But we
(05:59):
begin with President Trump, who is currently in the air
en route to America back from Asia after having met
with China in the late hours here uh in the evening,
as he is flying from the future twelve hours in
front of us back to the United States, and he's
already weighed in on what the discussions were like with China, and,
(06:22):
not surprisingly in typical Trump fashion, on a scale of
one to ten, how did he think the meeting went.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Listen, overall, I guess on this scale, I'm from zero
to ten, with ten being the best.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I would say the meeting was at twelve. I think
it was twelve.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I think very importantly, you know, just the whole relationship
was very, very important. I think it was very good.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Especially coming on the heels of the successful trip were
in Malaysia. You signed a peace deal for Cambodia and Thailand,
critical mineral deals with all our allies.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So many successful, so many beings payed for our country
with time. Literally hundreds of billions trillions of dollars have
come into a country over the last four days represented
by this meeting, but trillions of dollars where Toyota is
going to build plans, ten billion dollars with the plans,
you know, I could go over so many different companies
(07:17):
coming in that pouring money into the United States.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So uh, this is a positive sign.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
There's reports that Trump is lowered at least somewhat the
overall tariffs on China, that there is a pledge from
China to help to restrict overall fentanyl access to the
United States, since China is producing much of the raw
material that is later used to turn into this drug
that comes into the United States and kills so many
(07:45):
different people overall, I would say buck. As the stock
market has proven since April, it's up about two thousand
points in the S and P five hundred. There seems
to be a form of trade stability that is coming.
And I actually want to get your take because you
just came from Taiwan. I haven't seen any discussion about Taiwan,
(08:07):
but based on mutual respect and a relationship in play,
it feels like basically, China US relations are going to
be pretty calm over the next few years, at least
while Trump's in office.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You buy it. What's your take on this?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
If the Chinese live up to their side of this,
which they have not in the past. To be clear,
they have made promises, including to President Trump in his
first term. That and then COVID happened, and when Biden
came into office things got derailed, but they did not
follow through on those initial trade agreements. So I think
(08:46):
that Trump very much wants to set this framework up
and that's important. That stability is a very good thing.
For example, soybeans now are going to get purchased again
by our soybean from our soybean farmers, by the Chinese.
For those of you who are familiar with Chinese cuisine,
it will not surprise you to know that China is
(09:06):
by far the biggest purchaser of US soybeans. I think
it's like sixty or seventy percent of the entire crop,
and they had been buying it from Brazil now for
a lot of US. You might say, why does that
matter so much, Well, it's billions of dollars of agricultural
products that are farmers were expecting, you know, to be
able to export, and that's been really a big pressure
(09:27):
point on them in the Midwest. So that's being addressed.
The rare earth minerals issue also critical, and now China
has said, fine, fine, we'll give you the rare earth
that you need. Really just think of it as the
special metals and things that you need for tech, for
high tech stuff, whether it's things that involve the things
(09:48):
that evolve drones, robotics, microchip so all this are the
things your smartphone, your laptop. China says they're going to
get more of that or they're going to continue to
provide that on the market. They're not going to cut us.
This was a big leverage point for them. I still
think the US should be doing a lot of its
own rare earth mining now. As for the stability part
of this, because that's obviously huge. If China continues on
(10:11):
this pathway of not just agreeing with Trump and through
these negotiations to do certain things, but actually does them,
I think that is going to be really good for
the US economy and it's also good for relations in
the region.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was in Taiwan, i interviewed the President of Taiwan
and had a whole range of national security meetings. The
more China it is enmeshed in a positive way with
the US economically, I think the better. The likelihood is
that there's not going to be the flash point Taiwan
(10:48):
situation of the invasion, but that can change in a hurry.
And there still is a real difficult right now relationships
specifically between the mainline than Taiwan. They've really cut off trade.
What do you think that we need to get that
going again?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I know we're going to break here in a minute, so,
but big question, what do you think the US would
do if China actually invaded Taiwan? Because we have a
strategic ambiguity perspective For people who don't know, what do
you think having just been there is a very good question, uh,
And the answer is President Trump. It's up to President Trump, right.
(11:26):
That's really what it comes down to is what has
China done? What are our options?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
We do not have.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
We have a policy of strategic ambiguity. Our stated policy
on this matter is we're not sure what we'll do.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
We're not going to tell you.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Pete Hegsett, the Secretary of Defense, has made some pretty
strong statements in support of Taiwan really just supported the
status quo. And you know, no one's saying that Taiwan
should try to go independent. They just want the perpetuation
of the current realities, which is a self gone governing Taiwan,
(12:01):
but not addressing the One China policy specifically. And it's weird.
I know, it sounds like, what does that even mean? Well,
that's where things are, that is that is what it is.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And you know, our my friend Steve Yates, who was
really our shirpa, our guide on the ground in Taiwan,
he's actually traveling with Secretary of Defense Hegseth right now.
He's part of the press pool and is covering all
these events. So he's been in contact with me about
you know, he's been at the she Trump negotiations and
he will be uh when he comes back from his
East Asia leg, which will be next week. I think
(12:36):
he'll call in and tell us, you know, what he
saw firsthand. And because there's really interesting things going on
in Japan right now, really important things happening in South Korea.
Trump said that we're going to start testing nukes again.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of pieces from this
Asia trip that matter to all of us.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And he wants to go back and visit China, and
he wants to go see Kim Jong un in North Korea.
So I think he's going to be back in Asia
in the spring based on his plans. And yeah, if
you want the elementary school version of what our relationship
is with Taiwan, remember the old school, and you would
(13:12):
pass the little note to a girl and you would
give her like, hey, do you want to be my girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And then there was oftentimes the maybe box down to bottom.
We're in the maybe box with Taiwan. Nobody knows what's
actually gonna happen, and it is strategically the goal. So
we'll break down this Trump coming back from China. Lots
of different things are Buddy Ryan Gardusky gonna be with us,
as well as Micah Beck with the Indiana Lieutenant governor.
We met with him up when we visited Wo Wo
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Speaker 3 (15:26):
President Trump feeling pretty darn good about the negotiations with
Xijin Ping of China. This has always been the big one.
This has always been the most important and most challenging
of the trade negotiations that Trump has on his plate.
And well, here is what the big guy is saying
about how he feels right now.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
This is uh cut one play it.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
You can beat your dog. We've plented to see you again,
to see you again, and we're going to have a
very successful meeting.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I have no doubt.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Well you always, but he's a very tough negotiator.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's not good.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That all too.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
We know each other, well, tell.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You, because if you plan to sign a.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Trade fields agad.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
We have we'll have a great understand We have a
great relationship. We've always had a great relationship.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Sorry, it was a little tough there because he's waiting
for the translator.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I know what that's like. I did the same thing
in Taiwan.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You got to speak a little bit, let let the
translator go, and then speak a little more, let the
translator go.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But what he's just saying is he's got a great
relationship with She. He says he's a tough negotiator, but
he's thinking good things are going to happen. And now
Trump has said that the SHE meeting was a twelve
out of ten. So I think he feels a very
trump fashion, very trump fashion.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Probably the greatest meeting of all meetings. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And and I think that this is just reflected in
the way that people still feel very clay, I think,
very bullish about the markets, the economy. They go, You
got Jerome Powell probably on his way out as fed
share more rate cuts coming. It is possible for things
to keep getting better, actually, when you have the right
people in charge.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
That's my takeaway. No, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And again everyone there would there are a lot of
things you could disagree with Trump on, but when everybody said, oh,
Trump's gonna let the economy go to hell, back at April.
I think a lot of you out there just said,
you know, maybe Trump's not gonna make every decision that
I'm gonna agree with or you're gonna agree with, although
(17:38):
most of the time he has. But the one thing
I felt very confident about was Trump was going to
be really good for the economy. And Trump has been
really good for the economy. Now there are challenges in
rebounding from the disaster that was Biden and his inflation,
but overall trajectory very very good.
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Welcome back in Claytravis Buck Second Stem Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am in Chicago.
By the way, I should mention why our awesome boss,
Julie Talbot is being inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame,
and so I'm up here for that.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Also, Colin Cowherd, good friend of mine. I think you've
had him on. We've had him on the show at
some point. His radio show, Sports Talk Show is on
pretty much the same time as our show. But he's
also being inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame up
here in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
All right. I wanted to play this.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Because I think we pulled it over from yesterday. We
had Riley Gaines on earlier this week. She is awesome.
Congratulations if you heard Riley on the show with us.
She just had a baby a month ago. She works
at out Kick. I've gotten to know she and Louie
her husband. They are just fantastic people, really salt of
(19:58):
the earth. There, just really good people. Louie her husband's
also a swimmer. Only thing bad I can say about
Riley is that she went to the University of Kentucky
instead of her home state University of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But nobody's perfect.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And so Riley was talking about the fact that she
got attacked by AOC just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
AOC decided that she was gonna rip Riley.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And then this awful chick who evidently comes out of
the Bravo world. And I mean, since she is being
so incredibly nasty to Riley, as you're gonna hear her,
be let me just tee off on this chick off
the top. Her name is evidently Jennifer Welch, and she
(20:46):
is just an I'm gonna try to think how to
phrase this while still having FCC restrictions in play. Well, basically,
she's an awful bitch, and she is also representative of
a particular type of I would say, liberal white woman.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Who is just nasty and awful.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I think this is the foundation now of the
Democrat Party. So unfortunately, she is representative of what I
think the base of the Democrat Party is like. And
I'm gonna play this for you because I just think
it's important to understand.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
All Riley has done is.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Say, hey, men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports.
And she has said that because she actually swam against
a man who won an NCAA title two years ago.
This Leah Thomas character. So here is what Jennifer Welch
said on her podcast. We've had to bleep it, but
(21:49):
obviously it was not bleeped on her podcast. We do
have FCC standards, and so I want you to hear it,
and I want you to think if Riley was your
daughter or your granddaughter, all she's done is say, hey,
men have no place in women's athletics. This is how
this awful bitch responded to or Jennifer Welch.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
Riley Gaines, all you do is hate on people. You
are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people.
You show them no grace, no compassion, You defend billionaires,
You cheer and celebrate when children are zip tied, and
then you have the audacity to get on television and
try to lecture people who fight for the people that
(22:29):
are suffering, that stand and put their arms around people
that need sanctuary, and you try to act like you're
better than they are. You're an insufferable Nobody likes you,
and no matter what, you will always have been the
dumb bitch that tied for fifth place, and the only
place that you can get a job is at bottom
(22:50):
feed or Fox News. You insufferable. Nobody likes you, except
for the other fake Christians that enjoy in their spare
time watch children get zip tied and then sit there
and justify it while they read the Bible with their
hideous crucifixit crucifixes around their necks.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So the Riley gaines, Okay, So so Clay's it's horrendous.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's this woman the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But getting beyond all the name calling in the nastiness
and everything there, I have two things on this. One
is it goes without saying, but I'm going to say it.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
A lot of people think Riley Gaines is pretty amazing. Acutely,
we employed.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Her it out kick, so I guess we are also
like awful bottom feeders. But she's an amazing employee and
an awesome person. She's a lovely she's a lovely human being.
She's a mom, she's a wife. She is respected for
her voice and what she's what she's doing, which is
standing up for women and women's sports all over America,
(23:54):
but also broader social commentary. Uh, people who have actually
competed at any level of physical endeavor, which I'm sure
this woman who only thinks she's competing in is the
Botox Olympics. I think they all greatly respect being the
fifth best swimmer in the NCAA and the United States.
That's an incredible accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, imagine being like, oh, silver medalist at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What a loser like?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's basically the same mentality that we're talking about here. No,
if you're the silver medalist at the Olympics, is not
a loser unless you're such a loser that you have
no idea what it is to be good at anything
and to work hard at something. Also, respectfully, Riley popular
with heterosexual men, across America, married woman, a young baby.
(24:43):
But I'm just saying a lot of people like Riley.
So this notion that no one likes Riley Gaines, this
is this something. This is bitterness and nastiness from a woman.
But beyond that, beyond that, she unfortunately play this, this
Welsh person is growing in popularity very quickly. Yeah, because
(25:04):
she is. And this is why it matters. This is
why you're playing this clip. This is why all of
a sudden, we're taking the time, because they're losing the
angry you know, Danix and wine swilling, left wing coastal
boss Babe wanna be lib no Kings, protest attending White
(25:27):
women of America are very sad right now, and they're
very sad in general, and they're looking for people to
blame because they're losing the argument and they're losing the culture.
And so the nastiness and it is truly nasty. And
you and I wouldn't you know, we'd never speak about
anybody in the world of commentary the way that she's
speaking about Riley. You know, even on the other side,
(25:48):
it's just just lines being crossed. But she's popular, Clay
because this is tapping into the zeitgeist of these democrat
white women in America right now, and that's why it's concerning,
because they're getting increasingly desperate, increasingly pathetic, and increasingly vicious.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You would want Riley to be your daughter or your granddaughter.
I will just say that. And I think that's one
reason she connects so well, not only with people who
were Fox News viewers, which would tend to be older
people in general, but also why she's so popular on
social media, why we hired her at OutKick, and why
she has continued to connect so well with the Turning
(26:29):
Point crowd, with the college campus crowd. I mean, she
just graduated herself a couple of years ago. She's still
I think, like twenty four to twenty five years old
right now. But I think what you hit on, I
want people to hear the kind of awfulness that is
out there, and then listen to what she said the
same person. And to Buck's point, she is becoming very popular.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Here's listen to what she said about I just wanted
to just really quick, I just want to you know
that's she's not like some angry comment person that no one.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
She's actually rocking up and she's making a good living
by saying the things that we played for you, and yeah,
she's going after Charlie Kirk, and she's saying, we need
to have more celebration of Charlie Kirk's death. Cut eleven kudos.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
To Bernie, to aoc, to Zorn and that woman out
in somewhere Middle America saying Charlie Kirk, he was a racist,
he was a piece of shit. There are so many
more of us than there are of them. And these
Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations and lobbyists,
nobody wants that. Nobody wants you. We want politicians to
(27:44):
speak freely and look at what the benefit is. Look
at what is happening in New York, and you are
sitting on the sidelines running your social media like complete dorks.
It's embarrassing. Get your together, hockeyman, Chuck, seriously, get your together,
because the Democratic Party is moving on.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So she goes on and they are a bunch of
those takes. They're losing the culture. And what happens when
you lose the culture is you start to get increasingly
desperate and you start to take bigger swings. And I
thought it was very strange that AOC out of nowhere
came after Riley Gaines. Now, this chick in a really
kind of awful way, which is not dissimilar to the
(28:26):
way that Simone Biles stepped into this. There's a calculated
attempt to come after Riley because she is speaking to
normal moms and normal daughters and granddaughters out there that
are looking around and saying, this culture's failing us. And remember,
and I'll say this before, but I met Riley, and
(28:47):
I said a long time ago when I first met her,
because she was starting to speak out and I saw
her online, and one of our first conversations, she said, yeah,
I was going to go to dental school. She was
all set up to go to dental school out of
the University of Kentucky until she swam against a man,
and everybody else just seemed completely willing to accept it.
(29:11):
They were just going to pretend like it was totally
normal for a man to put on a women's bathing suit,
spend time in the women's locker room, and win win
an NCAA women's championship and not speak out about it
at all. And so she just said, I can't keep
my mouth shut on this, and that's the reason she's
not a dentist.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So she didn't choose this bucket chose her.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, this is this is what is actually so emblematic
of the trans issue overall on all these matters, is
they make it your problem, whether it's about bathroom usage
or sports teams or you know, preferred pronouns or whatever.
They make demands of you. And then when you say,
hold on a second, I don't agree with that. You're
(29:56):
asking me to be party to a lie or party
to something that is unfair. They say, why are you
making such a big deal of this, Why are you
causing this issue? You know, there's a very clear passive aggressive,
really a gas lighting that is at the heart of
the whole transagenda approach. It really started out with just
(30:16):
be courteous, Just be kind, you me, all of you.
You all want to be courteous and kind. And of
course we always say to you, you treat a trans
person with dignity. You treat a transperson like the human
being they are. You're kind to them, you're respectful to them.
They're people like we're people. Some of them are in
need of substantial help, you know, mental health assistance, and
by the way, that's nothing to be ashamed of. That's
(30:37):
something that people should get help for. The same way
if you had a physical health issue that you needed
to get assistance for. But that's different, Clay, than saying
a six foot two guy should be spiking the volleyball
in the face of a girl who weighs one hundred
and twenty pounds, who's actually a girl.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
The reason why Riley is so effective is what you
just said, because people will say, I don't know why
you care about this.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
They'll say that's you.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
They'll say that to me, and you say, well, okay,
you don't think that I should care about basic competition standards.
I mean, that's an argument you can make Riley. You
can't say that to And notice what they try to
attack her by saying, oh, you came in fifth. They
never acknowledged that Leah Thomas came in first, that that
(31:22):
man won a women's championship. They always go to Riley
came in fifth. Like he swam a bunch of different events,
he won one of them comfortably. He's the NCAA women's champion.
But they always go to attacking Riley. To your point,
is also a sign that you know nothing about sports.
You're the fifth best swimmer in college. That's pretty freaking impressive.
(31:46):
How many people listening to us right now, myself included,
have ever been the fifth best in the nation at anything.
So the idea that you would attack somebody who is
one of the best at what they pursue is just
laughably obsord But that's where they are, and it's nasty
and it's toxic, and it's going to be happening more.
And I think we need to play it for you
(32:07):
because you need to understand how desperate they are becoming
as the culture is moving against them. And the reason
they're attacking Riley is because she's having such strong impact.
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Buck new numbers.
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Coming out from New Jersey and Virginia as well as
New York City. Latest polling voting underway. Our buddy Ryan Gerdusky,
our affectionate data nerd who was fired by CNN for
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Speaker 1 (36:36):
Beeper joke, is going to be with us.
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I was just to say, a nerd with a great
sense of humor. That's why I like him so much.
You know, he was just well wishing that he hoped
that his fellow panelist Peaper didn't go off. Maybe it's
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Speaker 1 (36:51):
Who knows. We'll talk about all this with Ryan in
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