November 20, 2024 • 36 mins
Potential MSNBC sale means Morning Joe visit to Trump makes sense. Massive shift in media to digital. More Trump appointments attacked: Oz, Duffy, McMahon. Lib media freakout continues. Michael Cohen tells MSNBC he's going to get a fake passport and flee the country to avoid Trump retribution. C&B take a call.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ooh looking in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We roll through the
Wednesday edition of the program. We have got a ton
of different crazy stories out there to chase.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're gonna have a lot of fun with all of you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
There is a trans congress person and there is a
discussion which has never been needed before about hey, which
bathrooms is the fake woman going to use? We will
discuss some of that. Sonny Hostin and Matt Gates, what
do you think it's fake woman?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay? Is that too strong? Right out of the game.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I think we just go with man. I think we
just go with man man man versus fake woman. I
can see the arguments in either direction. I think fake
woman just calls out the absurdity more than just calling
him a man. But I'm open to both arguments. Get
coming in hot out of the gate, Sunny Hostin, Matt Gates,
that's gonna be fun. Elon Musk buys Twitter, and suddenly
(00:59):
there is a bad balancing act. Left wingers going insane.
We've got a lot of different clips for you that
we will have fun with. But Buck, we begin with
your two favorite people in all of media, Joe Scarborough
and Mika Persinski remain under fire over their decision to
go and have a meal with Donald Trump on Friday,
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and I actually think it all made sense yesterday afternoon
when an alert popped on my phone from the Wall
Street Journal saying that Comcast now intends to spin off
MSNBC and other of their cable assets. So let me
just kind of tell you what happened here on Friday.
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I believe Mike and Joe, at the behest potentially of
their bosses or certainly not being discouraged from the decision,
went to mar A Lago, bent the knee to Donald
Trump and basically said, Hey, MSNBC. I think they were
delivering a message. MSNBC is going to play with you
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in the early days of your administration. The idea that
you are hitler is going to be cast aside. Congratulations
on your win again. We're gonna kiss the ring, We're
gonna bend the knee Monday, and I thought that was strange.
I thought it was stranger still buck on Monday, as
we talked about on this program, when Meek n Joe
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decided to tell their audience that they had gone to
see Trump. News didn't leak on Saturday or Sunday or Friday.
There are lots of people going to see Trump. I
saw him on Thursday. Like, there isn't if you don't
post a photo and you don't tweet about it or
whatever else, there's no real story.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't think going to come out. But Meek n.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Joe felt compelled to discuss their meeting with Donald Trump
Tuesday afternoon. Buck I was like, it all makes sense now,
Win the news from the Wall Street Journal broke. So
Friday you apologize Ben the kne to Trump. Monday, you
tell your audience you did it. Tuesday it's announced at
MSNBC is for sale. And I believe we have a
cut from Joe Scarborough awkwardly saying, hey, we could get
(03:01):
fired at any point to discuss that comcast is done
within MSNBC.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Listen, I will say really quickly on this. You know
it drives at the top. Said, oh, like news melt.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Down, all this other stuff. I mean, I could be
completely wrong. We could all be fired a year from that.
A little bit of it has happens. You never know
what's going to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, But in this case, though, what they're doing is
what other media firms are doing. You spin off the
cable channels which seven years ago were making a ton
of money. Now they've got to figure out how to
make them profitable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, so this is a big story, and I do
think there's a panic setting in on MSNBC and CNN.
But Buck, this ties everything together. When you and I
were sitting back and we were saying, Okay, why did
this happen? Do you agree with me that it's clearly
just an attempt because truck now controls a lot of
decisions when it comes to mergers, when it comes to
acquisitions through the federal government, Comcast trying to be nice
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nice with Trump to make him less likely to withhold
regulatory approval when it comes to media divestiture.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Here.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I don't know what entities like MSNBC or Morning Joe
more specifically, really think that they can do at this
point to regain whatever credibility. Maybe is too much of
an eye of the beholder thing, but just the professionalism
that you would expect of a news organization. I think
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that was one of the few things that the CNNs,
the MSNBC's, the Washington posts of the world, we're holding
on to Okay, maybe we're outright partisans, but there's a
level of of you know, baseline intellectual honesty or a
level of baseline, you know, just doing this job in
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a way that is professional. I don't I don't know
how better to say it than that. And really the
whole thing is a clown show. And they were calling
Trump hitler and saying absurd things, and it was wrong,
and it didn't even do anything. It didn't stop Trump
from being elected. And so I think that there's a
scramble right now for relevance and to maintain whatever audience
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that they have. And the more information is freely exchanged
on X. I think Elon's purchase of Twitter and transforming
it into X is all part of this. The more
people can get through information in real time from people
that they trust because they're people who tell them the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
That's one thing I'll say here is we hate getting
anything wrong. It bothers me, like it sticks in my
brain at night when I'm trying to go to sleep,
even if we have to come on and correct it,
correct it the next day. We're not always right about predictions.
Why we make predictions here and take other sides of
the bets sometimes, but we never want to tell you
anything that is untrue, that's embarrassing to us, it is unprofessional.
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These other news outlets and networks, they don't really care.
It's just all about emotional manipulation of an audience that
has been primed to think that Donald Trump is a
is a fascist. And so I think now, Clay people,
more and more are just going to turn to who
has been telling me the truth for a period of time,
Like who do I trust as a news source that
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has been there and accurate and honest. And when I
say news source, I don't necessarily mean newsroom obviously, like
we don't. We're not a news agency here, but we
do a lot of news in conversation and what we
tell people is accurate. So I think that's it. I
think it's the death knell of much of the cable
news apparatus. I mean, look, Fox News didn't say that
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Trump is hitler, so they didn't take that hit right.
Fox News is generally pretty pro Trump, And I would
say the news shows, I mean, you watch Brett Behar's show,
it's a news show, yeah, and they have commentary and
they have respectful exchange of ideas on that panel. I
think it's one of the better panels you'll find anywhere
on TV. And they do the news and like you
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cannot necessarily agree with the editorial line, but they're I'm
not insane. Morning Joe went crazy. I mean Morning Joe.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was talking about how cat Turd, which is a Twitter account,
I was watching this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's like cat Turd gets to weigh in on the
nominees for Trump. He's really talking about this. They've gone,
They've gone off the rails, they have jumped the shark,
and I don't know if they can ever come back together.
And I'm fascinating Clay by what does the Democrat coalition
look like? Have you seen the data that shows the
number one choice of Democrats as of right now for
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the next election.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I just saw this on X.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, we could have some fun with that. I mean,
Kamala is the choice. I think it's primarily name recognition
overwhelmingly the choice. Clay, Yeah, Kamala is overwhelming me. Like
forty five percent I think was what I saw compared
to a a you know, distant second place finisher. If
their plan is to double down on the tran stuff
(07:54):
and run Kamala again. I think they see what Trump
did and they're like, maybe we'll do that. You know,
I don't think that they understand there's there's something has
changed here fundamentally. So here's one thing I would say.
I'm a little bit nervous about MSNBC being sold. What
if somebody like George Soros just buys it, doesn't care
at all about the about anything other than advocating for
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far left wing policies, which they do already. But I
mean at least Comcast in some way is as a
larger corporate parent trying to make money in every different direction. Right,
Like Comcast owns Bravo. You probably if you have, uh,
if you got a wife and she is thirty to fifty,
(08:40):
am I.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Gonna throw carry on the bus. I watch a lot
of I watch a lot of Bravo.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I love that million dollar listing show, Ryan Sirhead, Frederick Ecklund,
I celebrate the whole catalog. So they're not selling that company.
But my point is, if you look at their overall
catalog of networks, they're trying to speak to as many
any different groups as they can. My concern is that
somebody like George Soros, a billionaire left wing idiologue who
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I think is making awful choices for the country as
a whole, could decide to buy that company and try
to be supremely impactful as a result. And by the way,
we've got can ask you a question?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Can I ask you a question about this?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Though?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You think if Soros bought MSNBC, Clay, I think it
would be I don't think the editorial line would change
at all.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think it would be exactly what it is. I
think MSNBC is Soros approved without being Soros owned. Don't
you don't see it that way?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, my concern is that without the constraints of larger
corporate parenting, that it could spin even further left wing.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Do you ever read The Nation?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I occasionally will click on a link on The Nation, Okay,
because I used to read The Nation back in the day.
Again as part of my understanding the other they're insane, right, Like,
they're insane to the point where they actually have a
very small audience. So I don't to me if they tried,
if MSNBC tried to become the TV version of the
Nation or Salon dot Com, which I think they're pretty close,
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but if they went even further left, I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Think they would just lose even more of the audience
they have.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The people who watch Morning Joe are snobs who think
they know more about the news than they do. That's
really the I'm telling you, I know people who watch
it and don't watch it for mockery like I do.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'll give you another idea here. Bucks.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So, in addition to a super rich billionaire who's just
a zealous left wing advocate potentially buying MSNBC, I think
it's not crazy that MSNBC and CNN could merge because
right now there is Fox News, which has let's say
sixty percent of the overall news audience fifty five percent whatever.
(10:48):
Like most of the time, Fox News standing alone has
a bigger audience than CNN and MSNBC combined. Is there
a need for both CNN and MSNBC to aga exist
or could you merge them and create the left wing
alternative to Fox News in one form so that you're
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not constantly having to compete against each other. I could
see that happening.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
You've already had this consolidation occurring for a while. HLN.
I don't even know what's on h I think it's
all like women who poison their husbands, like true crime stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
They basically did a way for people who don't like that.
What was headline news back in the day. It was
like a thirty minute or an hour long like distillation
of the news. Right, it was pretty popular. It depends
on what era I mean. I actually I was on
a pilot for HLN at one point in twenty fifteen,
was considering going as a Heartland news channel. There was
a moment where they were considering interesting and then they
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went and then they totally you know, Zucker was like
absolutely nonmate. So yeah, I was on a pilot with
Kaylee mcinnittie. Actually, oh wow, well, so I used to
watch Back in the day, you was hard to get
sports scores, and headline News had a constantly updating. This
isn't like a kind of the pre Internet taking off
era when you didn't have phones that had scores on
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them like crazy. For those of you who are sports fans,
I bet some of you will remember this. You would
sit and watch a ticker at the bottom of the
screen on hl IN, and like every eight minutes or something,
they would update whatever score you cared about. That was
how you tried to tell who was winning if the
game wasn't on television.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I just I think that all these brands have been
these these Democrat corporate brands for news. They're really we
call them propaganda and we mean it. I mean, I
think that they have become full on vehicles for the
advancement of partisan Democrat interests. I truly believe that. I
do not think that is an exaggeration at all. But
I think that they've also play back to my their
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professionalism is now a matter of not just question. I
think it's substantially in doubt. You see what's happened, and
with the combination of social media the echo chamber effect
that these are all fighting over. You know, what is
the what is the huge advantage that Fox News has
as a channel that's in you know, all all the
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cable news homes across the country, is that they have
half the country to generally get as their audience.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yes, if you look at the other side of the aisle,
you've got ABC, NBCCBS all have these even news shows.
You've got MSNBC and CNN, You've got you know, PBS.
I think still does some some kind of news thing.
I mean, nobody watches it, but they still have some
news programming, and I'm probably forgetting some other stuff too.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
They're all fighting for the same.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Point of view, and I don't see that as as
sustainable for them going forward, especially while digital shows are
getting better and better. More and more people, even for
like breaking news coverage and election night coverage, are going
for digital. Now they're going to I mean, I don't know.
I don't have a cable box or cable TV play
and I haven't for years. And this is just accelerating, accelerating.
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So this isn't just I know, we're getting a little
inside baseball here about the media, but this is also
a sea change in the information exchanges that exist in
this country that directly affect politics, that directly affect culture,
and with that the direction of the United States overall.
I think it's a major shift. It's kind of like
it's happening, Clay.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
We've been waiting for this to happen for about ten
or fifteen years, and it's now happening finally, and I
think it's going to accelerate even more in this Trump
era because so many people lost a ton of legitimacy
during COVID and then saying Kablo is running a great campaign,
Joe Biden as sharp as attack, and finally a lot
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of people are saying, I can't listen to these guys anymore.
That's the question you and I have been asking for
some time. I'll give you a good analogy here as
we go to break Warren Buffett says, over time, the
stock market is basically a weighing mechanism. That is, you
weigh the value of a company, and a company that's
producing consistent earnings and everything else is going to increase
in value.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I would submit to you.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That trust in public is also a weighing mechanism. And
to your point earlier, Buck, the more time you spend
listening to someone, as soon as you know that they
have told you things that are untrue, you should trust
them less. And when you are consistently told true things,
you should trust them more. And I think a lot
of shows like this one are winning, and I think
shows like Mika and Joe are collapsing. We've also got
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Speaker 2 (16:26):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
We've got a few more picks that Trump has put out.
Doctor Mehmet Oz. Remember doctor Oz ran for Senate in
that close race, lost to Fetterman.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Oz is not going to be in charge of medicare, right,
that's the idea. And Sean Duffy Transportation Secretary Linda McMahon,
Education Secretary all Oliver Strong picks the funny one though, Clay,
we were just talking about it, Sean Duffy. There's a
piece of Daily Mail hard partying sex life of former
(17:01):
MTV reality star Sean Duffy resurfaces after Trump nominates him.
Sean Duffy's been married for twenty five years and has
like nine kids.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
He's like mister Rogers with a huge family. And they're
talking about the fact that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He was on the Real World twenty years ago and
like making out with chicks is a bad thing. It
is really funny that they're attacking him again. For those
of you who don't know Sean Duffy, Rachel kompos Stuffy,
have they been married for how many years?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Over twenty? Over twenty?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have nine kids? And they're writing articles about when
he was on reality television twenty plus years ago. When
he was he was like a bad boy who liked
to party. I'm like this guy, he's like you've met.
He's like the nicest guy dude have.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's also been married and has nine kids.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Like I mean, the idea that you would try to
classify him as some like out of control, raging part like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
The ideal family man.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They're like, you realize he was to drink beer and
stay out with women when he was in college.
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sure that we have some fun and you guys understand
exactly how much the crazy town is continuing to grow.
So we mentioned, you know, Miken Joe going to mar Lago.
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There have been a lot of reactions to that. One
of the things is Brian Stelter, who Buck? Does he
have the lowest testosterone level of any man that appears
regularly on television. Is that a fair assessment? We should
legitimately send him a care package of like chalk for
six months to help my man out.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So he went on CNN. They fired him and now
he's back. He went on CNN.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You can't get rid of him. You can't get that's right,
you can't get rid of him, he had a good cry.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Remember, with one of the maybe the weakest media tweet
of all time, I curled up in the fetal position
and just had a good, long cry. I still can't
believe that's real. He went on and said Joe and
Mika had to go to mar A Lago because they
feared retribution. Here's what that sounded like.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Jomica didn't say much about it today, but according to
my sources, they believed they credibly were concerned that they
faced governmental and legal harassment with this incoming administration, essentially
that they feared retribution. To be fair to Brazinski and Scarborough,
they're not the only MSNBC hosts or the only The
(20:27):
word journalist is complicated, right because they're more like personalities.
But there are a number of journalists at place like
the AP and other big news outlets that are concerned
about retaliation in the coming months.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Now.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
I don't know exactly what the specific concern Joe Amica
had was or wasn't, but they're not the only MSNBC
personalities worried about retaliation. However, they are the only ones
to go down to mar A Lago and have a meeting.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
What I mean it's okay. First of all, sources tell
me that there could stop okay. But to his credit,
block Scott Jennings, who is the most talented person I
think on air CNN right now, just openly mocked the
idea that Joe and Mika were afraid of Trump doing
something to them after Stelter said it. This is on
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CNN to Stelter's face, and Joy, I.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Mean, isn't it possible too that they're just two people
who thinks are.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So full of themselves, so full of self.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Aggrandizement, that they would feel like that they would be
personally Scott, I don't.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Tell anyone, but some of their colleagues feel that way.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Well, I just, first of all, I can see why.
Second of all, if that's what happened, and if that's
what they truly believed, why didn't they go on TV
and say that we went down there to meet with
the President to tell him that, hey, anyone who's been
critical of you, you know, you should treat us like
journalists and not like the enemy. They didn't go on
TV and say that. They went on TV and portrayed
it much differently. So what I hear you saying in
your reporting is they had a motive that they weren't
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willing to disclose to their audience, which I think should
get them more scorn today than they were already getting
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I think that's well said. There's also one more clip.
I can't believe they let this guy keep going on.
So this was Michael Cohen who went on MSNBC and
says he's so afraid that he's now got a passport
in somebody else's name in case he has to flee
the country. This is from I believe MSNBC listen.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Already working on foreign passport with a completely different name.
I don't know how it's going to work. As far
as dealing with my wife and my children. I certainly
don't want them moving to where I'm looking to go.
And I don't think yourself. The president of MSNBC, General
Millie Liz Cheney. How many people has he turned around
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and said that these are people that I intend to
go after if I have the ability to.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
And the worst is.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
The Supreme Court's recent decision that gave him immunity presidential immunity.
Now he thinks it's not only is it I can
do whatever I want, but I can't even be prosecuted
to get out of jail free card solely for the president.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Ada here, you leave the country, I have no choice. Okay,
this is really funny. But let me start with this book.
You worked in the CIA. Would you advise someone to
go on television and say they're trying to get a
passport from a foreign country and a name different than theirs.
That seems like it's probably illegal on the first testry,
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go find the place where he can go to a
non extradition country and find himself, you know, away from
you guys in the Trump White House.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What a baby clay. It's insane. Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
First of all, the federal government can basically find you
anywhere in the world if they want to, So start
with that. Okay, Michael Cohen is not about to disappear
in the Hindukush and go.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Native, all right, It's not gonna be that hard to find.
Laughing about what country would he even go to?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well, this is what I'm saying. Not if you look
up what non extradition countries, there's a lot of bad
countries you would not want to live in that are
not places you want to go. And fun fact, even
non extradition countries. That just means they don't have an
extradition treaty. If the US government calls them and they're like, hey,
will you give this a give this guy back to US,
chances are gonna say, yeah, we don't want this headache.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Would you just.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Watch a reality television show of Michael Cohen fleeing the
country and having you go to like Haiti.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I was not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I would watch the heck out of that television show
Michael Cohen, and like, I don't even know equators much
for let's send him much further, Like Michael Cohen trying
to go like all of a sudden, he's a goat
herter and Kyrgyzstan or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He's like, hey, is this how you milk? Is this
how you milk the goats? How do you milk the goats? Hey?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
He said he didn't want to leave his family. I mean,
these people are so freaking crazy, they are so durant.
I think Jennings got this right when he said you
have to have a level of narcissism that is off
the charts for Trump to be elected and for your
first thought to be He's gonna put me in prison.
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I mean, he was already president. He hasn't put anybody
in prison. Like, what why would he suddenly decide, Hey,
you know, I gotta go get the morning show host
on MSNBC. They can no longer talk to the seven
hundred thousand people who watch their show.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They're too much of a public threat. They've got to
be in prison.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Also, you know, it's amazing Donald Trump. They actually did
try to lock him up. I mean, they really did
prosecute him for nonsense. And now their whole thing is.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What if he decides to prosecute us for nonsense?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And by the way, your idea of a Michael Cohen show, like,
I really, you know, what wat the heck out of that?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know, all, what is.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
The funniest country that Michael Cohen could flee to for purposes?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I mean Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen sneaking into North Korea?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Like at least Trump can't get me here. At least
that will be safe.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
John might turn Michael Cohen back over to Trump because
I think they have a pretty good relationship. Like it's true.
I think Rocketman may say, we'll give you back Michael.
It's gonna be like, hey, Trump, here's Michael Cohen back.
What is the funniest non extra diitible country. First of all,
it has to be a felony, right, Am I crazy
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to use a fake name and get a foreign passport?
That has to be something that you could actually go
to prison for. So going on MSNBC and saying you're
going to do that doesn't seem very smart from a
covert fleeing the country move. Like if he did he
had gone on and been like, hey, yeah, you know
they got me on a lot of this baby oil stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm in real trouble.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm gonna get a fake passport and I'm going to
go to somebody do research on the list of non
extraditable countries. Oh I can I can name? I mean
I could? You want to know some of them? You
got Cuba all there? Cuba, Cuba might be the best
to go. Well, that's the closest. So that's actually one
that people have made it to when they want it.
(26:48):
If you don't every want to be arrested in the
Cuban government's not going to arrest you. You make it a
Cuba you're not going to get You're not going to
get deported or you're not going to get to extradited,
but you're going to be in Cuba and hope that
they're treating you well.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
North Korea, Russia, China, and Gola. I don't think Lebanon
has an extradition treaty with the United States. You know
that's right, because what's the guy's name who fled and
was formerly like the huge auto executive that got smuggled
out of Japan. He got into into be Root, right,
and he's been able.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
To stay there. Yeah, so Lebanon's on the list.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean the countries overwhelmingly that are on that list
are countries you'd be like, I don't want to live there.
What is the funniest country on the list that we
could get Michael Cohen to go to and do a
reality television show about it? All right, I'm looking up
right now, I mean there are like if you're looking,
I mean, I don't know how long he'd last in Somalia,
Like that would be kind of a survival show for him,
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that Michael Cohen as a Somali pilot Pirate would be
a show I would watch. I'm the captain now, I
would be all in on that Vietnam. Vietnam is actually
really actually really enjoyed my time in Vietnam when I visited,
So that's a good that's a good place to go.
The Central African Republic, I think they've been through decades
of like the worst war, famine, disease, and Huang Guy
(28:04):
Bon Guy Cohen and Bon Guy would be a heck
of a look. I don't imagine there's a lot of
white Americans that are choosing to live in in in
in Bon guys.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Here are some of the ones.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Uh, some of the Iran would be amazing, Michael Cohen,
And Iran would be like just showing up with the
Ayatola chillin. I can you imagine the zooms I have
converted to Islam. It is a beautiful religion. I am
now an Iranian citizen Michael Cohen. Uh, yeah, good luck
with that one too. That'd be a lot of fun
to Americans. Doesn't seem like that would be a really
smart move, But maybe maybe he would be a great
(28:36):
fit thing Afghanistan.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Afghanistan with a Taliban in charge, mind you, like there's
no more you know, it's not like the Northern Alliance
is going to keep you safe in the north anymore? Yikes,
not good, not not a fun, not a fun place
to be. So there's a I mean, the list is
pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And by the way, I'm I'm all in.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I encourage Michael Cohen to commit a felony, get an
illegal passport, change with with a fake name, and then
I want him to go to Iran. I want him
to go to Cambodia. I want him to go to
one of these countries that I have no idea about.
And I would watch a reality television show about Michael
Cohen starting his life back over there. Sure he has
a lot of marketable skills. Smally pirate Michael Cohen. I
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mean I would, I would try that out.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I mean, you know this guy was. It's amazing too.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
He was Trump's lawyer for so many years. And now
he's talking about fleeing the country and have you get
a passport, you know, like buck he's bragging about that
has to again, it has to be a felony to
get a foreign passport under a different name like that
can't be legal. I mean, if you if I told you,
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like you your brother you've got a single brother. If
your brother was like, hey, I got a new girlfriend,
and you're like, what does she do? Well, I'm not
really sure, but she has a foreign passport in a
different name. You'd be like, you know, maybe you could
pride somebody else to date. It's not a great choice.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Problem for sure. Yeah, I look, Michael Cohen is not
leaving the country. It's absurd, you know. I think I
mentioned that Ava Longoria, you know, and I think we
mentioned on the show that she actually is. She's already
been out so she lives in like Madrid, and you know,
she lives in fancy places around the world already, so
it's not like she's giving up her life in America.
(30:21):
She already spends most of the year abroad, so that
wasn't some big change. But she's saying, oh yeah, I'm
going to live abroad also, Like it's just so silly,
isn't it, you know what I mean? Like, what are
I really even talking about? What do they think is
going to happen to them? There's bigger there's bigger fish
to fry. I do give them credit.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
At least if you say, if somebody wins an election
in either direction that you are leaving the country, you
should have to leave the country because ninety nine percent
of the people who say if Trump wins, I'm leaving
the country, never leave. At least if you're gonna make
that statement, follow up with it when the election actually
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got
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of the new nominees want to discuss, and also one
that is out there.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm going to keep you on the edge of your seats.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
One of the Trump nominees that has been bandied about
for a role that's not like one of the Big
five you know, or four or five whatever you want
to call it, of the cabinet. Well, one that I
think Clay and I would both agree is super important
and yes, it has to do with COVID accountability. We'll
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Uh, Jim and Charleston, South Carolina. Jim, what have you
got for us?
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Hey, y'all doing a great job. I just think it
is a good time for a rush quote about the
nominees the left or not by partisan? Somebody give me
an example of left weight by partisanship. They don't even
define it that way we do. By partnership is they
define it as we cave on our core beliefs and
agree with them. That is by partisnship. There it is
(34:21):
no compromnd just want to throw that out and do
what you guys have to say.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Look, first of all, thanks for the call. I think
we're gonna talk about this in a little bit. Some
things there is no room for bipartisanship on like, hey,
this guy is a dude pretending to be a chick.
How do you bypartisan? That which is the controversy right now?
It's a true binary in every sense.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It is or is not. It is true or it
is not, that is it. I think there are a
lot of those issues.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
By the way, my wife weighed in on the illegal
on the leaving and.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Becoming a citizen.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh, where would Laura make you, guys go if you
had to flee the country. I know I'm going monta Negro. Yeah,
Laura would be well versed on this. I mean this
is My wife has been getting paper maps because she's
convinced that the Internet is going to collapse and we're
going to have civil war at some point. So paper
maps have been arriving at my house so that you
could figure out how to get around.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
In the country.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
But she points out I think it's it's a good
point that most countries it is insanely hard to become
a citizen. Yeah, you can't just suddenly become a citizen.
There's a few Caribbean islands where but they have extradition treaties.
Most places won't allow you to just show up and
become a citizen. The United States is actually incredibly rare
(35:38):
in its openness to the idea of immigration. Buck Japan
and China, you can't become a citizen. It's almost impossible
if you aren't born in Japan and China for those
countries to allow you to ever become a citizen. We
talk a lot about immigration policy and everything else. Very
rarely do we look external to the United States and
(36:00):
point out how rare it is that we are as
open as we are to as many different people as
we are.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I do think it was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I was out to dinner last night and one of
the guys brought up Trudeau just out of nowhere, buck
posting a video saying, yeah, we're basically done with immigration
in Canada. They've been letting people in left and right.
Trudeau is the ultimate left wing beta male, and suddenly
even he is like, yeah, you know what, We've actually
let in too many immigrants and we're shutting the door.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
For the next three years.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's how much the discussion has changed on immigration, not
only here in the United States with Trump's victory, but
even in place like America's top hat of Canada, they're
looking around and saying, yeah, maybe we've been way too open.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Cana's a lot smaller than us and smaller than us.
If you take in too many foreigners, you don't have
a country anything, right,
Ooh looking in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We roll through the
Wednesday edition of the program. We have got a ton
of different crazy stories out there to chase.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're gonna have a lot of fun with all of you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
There is a trans congress person and there is a
discussion which has never been needed before about hey, which
bathrooms is the fake woman going to use? We will
discuss some of that. Sonny Hostin and Matt Gates, what
do you think it's fake woman?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay? Is that too strong? Right out of the game.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I think we just go with man. I think we
just go with man man man versus fake woman. I
can see the arguments in either direction. I think fake
woman just calls out the absurdity more than just calling
him a man. But I'm open to both arguments. Get
coming in hot out of the gate, Sunny Hostin, Matt Gates,
that's gonna be fun. Elon Musk buys Twitter, and suddenly
(00:59):
there is a bad balancing act. Left wingers going insane.
We've got a lot of different clips for you that
we will have fun with. But Buck, we begin with
your two favorite people in all of media, Joe Scarborough
and Mika Persinski remain under fire over their decision to
go and have a meal with Donald Trump on Friday,
(01:19):
and I actually think it all made sense yesterday afternoon
when an alert popped on my phone from the Wall
Street Journal saying that Comcast now intends to spin off
MSNBC and other of their cable assets. So let me
just kind of tell you what happened here on Friday.
(01:40):
I believe Mike and Joe, at the behest potentially of
their bosses or certainly not being discouraged from the decision,
went to mar A Lago, bent the knee to Donald
Trump and basically said, Hey, MSNBC. I think they were
delivering a message. MSNBC is going to play with you
(02:01):
in the early days of your administration. The idea that
you are hitler is going to be cast aside. Congratulations
on your win again. We're gonna kiss the ring, We're
gonna bend the knee Monday, and I thought that was strange.
I thought it was stranger still buck on Monday, as
we talked about on this program, when Meek n Joe
(02:21):
decided to tell their audience that they had gone to
see Trump. News didn't leak on Saturday or Sunday or Friday.
There are lots of people going to see Trump. I
saw him on Thursday. Like, there isn't if you don't
post a photo and you don't tweet about it or
whatever else, there's no real story.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't think going to come out. But Meek n.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Joe felt compelled to discuss their meeting with Donald Trump
Tuesday afternoon. Buck I was like, it all makes sense now,
Win the news from the Wall Street Journal broke. So
Friday you apologize Ben the kne to Trump. Monday, you
tell your audience you did it. Tuesday it's announced at
MSNBC is for sale. And I believe we have a
cut from Joe Scarborough awkwardly saying, hey, we could get
(03:01):
fired at any point to discuss that comcast is done
within MSNBC.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Listen, I will say really quickly on this. You know
it drives at the top. Said, oh, like news melt.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Down, all this other stuff. I mean, I could be
completely wrong. We could all be fired a year from that.
A little bit of it has happens. You never know
what's going to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, But in this case, though, what they're doing is
what other media firms are doing. You spin off the
cable channels which seven years ago were making a ton
of money. Now they've got to figure out how to
make them profitable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, so this is a big story, and I do
think there's a panic setting in on MSNBC and CNN.
But Buck, this ties everything together. When you and I
were sitting back and we were saying, Okay, why did
this happen? Do you agree with me that it's clearly
just an attempt because truck now controls a lot of
decisions when it comes to mergers, when it comes to
acquisitions through the federal government, Comcast trying to be nice
(04:00):
nice with Trump to make him less likely to withhold
regulatory approval when it comes to media divestiture.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Here.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I don't know what entities like MSNBC or Morning Joe
more specifically, really think that they can do at this
point to regain whatever credibility. Maybe is too much of
an eye of the beholder thing, but just the professionalism
that you would expect of a news organization. I think
(04:30):
that was one of the few things that the CNNs,
the MSNBC's, the Washington posts of the world, we're holding
on to Okay, maybe we're outright partisans, but there's a
level of of you know, baseline intellectual honesty or a
level of baseline, you know, just doing this job in
(04:51):
a way that is professional. I don't I don't know
how better to say it than that. And really the
whole thing is a clown show. And they were calling
Trump hitler and saying absurd things, and it was wrong,
and it didn't even do anything. It didn't stop Trump
from being elected. And so I think that there's a
scramble right now for relevance and to maintain whatever audience
(05:11):
that they have. And the more information is freely exchanged
on X. I think Elon's purchase of Twitter and transforming
it into X is all part of this. The more
people can get through information in real time from people
that they trust because they're people who tell them the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
That's one thing I'll say here is we hate getting
anything wrong. It bothers me, like it sticks in my
brain at night when I'm trying to go to sleep,
even if we have to come on and correct it,
correct it the next day. We're not always right about predictions.
Why we make predictions here and take other sides of
the bets sometimes, but we never want to tell you
anything that is untrue, that's embarrassing to us, it is unprofessional.
(05:53):
These other news outlets and networks, they don't really care.
It's just all about emotional manipulation of an audience that
has been primed to think that Donald Trump is a
is a fascist. And so I think now, Clay people,
more and more are just going to turn to who
has been telling me the truth for a period of time,
Like who do I trust as a news source that
(06:15):
has been there and accurate and honest. And when I
say news source, I don't necessarily mean newsroom obviously, like
we don't. We're not a news agency here, but we
do a lot of news in conversation and what we
tell people is accurate. So I think that's it. I
think it's the death knell of much of the cable
news apparatus. I mean, look, Fox News didn't say that
(06:36):
Trump is hitler, so they didn't take that hit right.
Fox News is generally pretty pro Trump, And I would
say the news shows, I mean, you watch Brett Behar's show,
it's a news show, yeah, and they have commentary and
they have respectful exchange of ideas on that panel. I
think it's one of the better panels you'll find anywhere
on TV. And they do the news and like you
(06:58):
cannot necessarily agree with the editorial line, but they're I'm
not insane. Morning Joe went crazy. I mean Morning Joe.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was talking about how cat Turd, which is a Twitter account,
I was watching this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's like cat Turd gets to weigh in on the
nominees for Trump. He's really talking about this. They've gone,
They've gone off the rails, they have jumped the shark,
and I don't know if they can ever come back together.
And I'm fascinating Clay by what does the Democrat coalition
look like? Have you seen the data that shows the
number one choice of Democrats as of right now for
(07:31):
the next election.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I just saw this on X.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, we could have some fun with that. I mean,
Kamala is the choice. I think it's primarily name recognition
overwhelmingly the choice. Clay, Yeah, Kamala is overwhelming me. Like
forty five percent I think was what I saw compared
to a a you know, distant second place finisher. If
their plan is to double down on the tran stuff
(07:54):
and run Kamala again. I think they see what Trump
did and they're like, maybe we'll do that. You know,
I don't think that they understand there's there's something has
changed here fundamentally. So here's one thing I would say.
I'm a little bit nervous about MSNBC being sold. What
if somebody like George Soros just buys it, doesn't care
at all about the about anything other than advocating for
(08:20):
far left wing policies, which they do already. But I
mean at least Comcast in some way is as a
larger corporate parent trying to make money in every different direction. Right,
Like Comcast owns Bravo. You probably if you have, uh,
if you got a wife and she is thirty to fifty,
(08:40):
am I.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Gonna throw carry on the bus. I watch a lot
of I watch a lot of Bravo.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I love that million dollar listing show, Ryan Sirhead, Frederick Ecklund,
I celebrate the whole catalog. So they're not selling that company.
But my point is, if you look at their overall
catalog of networks, they're trying to speak to as many
any different groups as they can. My concern is that
somebody like George Soros, a billionaire left wing idiologue who
(09:08):
I think is making awful choices for the country as
a whole, could decide to buy that company and try
to be supremely impactful as a result. And by the way,
we've got can ask you a question?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Can I ask you a question about this?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Though?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You think if Soros bought MSNBC, Clay, I think it
would be I don't think the editorial line would change
at all.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think it would be exactly what it is. I
think MSNBC is Soros approved without being Soros owned. Don't
you don't see it that way?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, my concern is that without the constraints of larger
corporate parenting, that it could spin even further left wing.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Do you ever read The Nation?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I occasionally will click on a link on The Nation, Okay,
because I used to read The Nation back in the day.
Again as part of my understanding the other they're insane, right, Like,
they're insane to the point where they actually have a
very small audience. So I don't to me if they tried,
if MSNBC tried to become the TV version of the
Nation or Salon dot Com, which I think they're pretty close,
(10:08):
but if they went even further left, I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Think they would just lose even more of the audience
they have.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The people who watch Morning Joe are snobs who think
they know more about the news than they do. That's
really the I'm telling you, I know people who watch
it and don't watch it for mockery like I do.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'll give you another idea here. Bucks.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So, in addition to a super rich billionaire who's just
a zealous left wing advocate potentially buying MSNBC, I think
it's not crazy that MSNBC and CNN could merge because
right now there is Fox News, which has let's say
sixty percent of the overall news audience fifty five percent whatever.
(10:48):
Like most of the time, Fox News standing alone has
a bigger audience than CNN and MSNBC combined. Is there
a need for both CNN and MSNBC to aga exist
or could you merge them and create the left wing
alternative to Fox News in one form so that you're
(11:09):
not constantly having to compete against each other. I could
see that happening.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
You've already had this consolidation occurring for a while. HLN.
I don't even know what's on h I think it's
all like women who poison their husbands, like true crime stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
They basically did a way for people who don't like that.
What was headline news back in the day. It was
like a thirty minute or an hour long like distillation
of the news. Right, it was pretty popular. It depends
on what era I mean. I actually I was on
a pilot for HLN at one point in twenty fifteen,
was considering going as a Heartland news channel. There was
a moment where they were considering interesting and then they
(11:44):
went and then they totally you know, Zucker was like
absolutely nonmate. So yeah, I was on a pilot with
Kaylee mcinnittie. Actually, oh wow, well, so I used to
watch Back in the day, you was hard to get
sports scores, and headline News had a constantly updating. This
isn't like a kind of the pre Internet taking off
era when you didn't have phones that had scores on
(12:06):
them like crazy. For those of you who are sports fans,
I bet some of you will remember this. You would
sit and watch a ticker at the bottom of the
screen on hl IN, and like every eight minutes or something,
they would update whatever score you cared about. That was
how you tried to tell who was winning if the
game wasn't on television.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I just I think that all these brands have been
these these Democrat corporate brands for news. They're really we
call them propaganda and we mean it. I mean, I
think that they have become full on vehicles for the
advancement of partisan Democrat interests. I truly believe that. I
do not think that is an exaggeration at all. But
I think that they've also play back to my their
(12:46):
professionalism is now a matter of not just question. I
think it's substantially in doubt. You see what's happened, and
with the combination of social media the echo chamber effect
that these are all fighting over. You know, what is
the what is the huge advantage that Fox News has
as a channel that's in you know, all all the
(13:07):
cable news homes across the country, is that they have
half the country to generally get as their audience.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yes, if you look at the other side of the aisle,
you've got ABC, NBCCBS all have these even news shows.
You've got MSNBC and CNN, You've got you know, PBS.
I think still does some some kind of news thing.
I mean, nobody watches it, but they still have some
news programming, and I'm probably forgetting some other stuff too.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
They're all fighting for the same.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Point of view, and I don't see that as as
sustainable for them going forward, especially while digital shows are
getting better and better. More and more people, even for
like breaking news coverage and election night coverage, are going
for digital. Now they're going to I mean, I don't know.
I don't have a cable box or cable TV play
and I haven't for years. And this is just accelerating, accelerating.
(13:56):
So this isn't just I know, we're getting a little
inside baseball here about the media, but this is also
a sea change in the information exchanges that exist in
this country that directly affect politics, that directly affect culture,
and with that the direction of the United States overall.
I think it's a major shift. It's kind of like
it's happening, Clay.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
We've been waiting for this to happen for about ten
or fifteen years, and it's now happening finally, and I
think it's going to accelerate even more in this Trump
era because so many people lost a ton of legitimacy
during COVID and then saying Kablo is running a great campaign,
Joe Biden as sharp as attack, and finally a lot
(14:36):
of people are saying, I can't listen to these guys anymore.
That's the question you and I have been asking for
some time. I'll give you a good analogy here as
we go to break Warren Buffett says, over time, the
stock market is basically a weighing mechanism. That is, you
weigh the value of a company, and a company that's
producing consistent earnings and everything else is going to increase
in value.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I would submit to you.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That trust in public is also a weighing mechanism. And
to your point earlier, Buck, the more time you spend
listening to someone, as soon as you know that they
have told you things that are untrue, you should trust
them less. And when you are consistently told true things,
you should trust them more. And I think a lot
of shows like this one are winning, and I think
shows like Mika and Joe are collapsing. We've also got
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Speaker 1 (16:28):
We've got a few more picks that Trump has put out.
Doctor Mehmet Oz. Remember doctor Oz ran for Senate in
that close race, lost to Fetterman.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Oz is not going to be in charge of medicare, right,
that's the idea. And Sean Duffy Transportation Secretary Linda McMahon,
Education Secretary all Oliver Strong picks the funny one though, Clay,
we were just talking about it, Sean Duffy. There's a
piece of Daily Mail hard partying sex life of former
(17:01):
MTV reality star Sean Duffy resurfaces after Trump nominates him.
Sean Duffy's been married for twenty five years and has
like nine kids.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
He's like mister Rogers with a huge family. And they're
talking about the fact that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He was on the Real World twenty years ago and
like making out with chicks is a bad thing. It
is really funny that they're attacking him again. For those
of you who don't know Sean Duffy, Rachel kompos Stuffy,
have they been married for how many years?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Over twenty? Over twenty?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have nine kids? And they're writing articles about when
he was on reality television twenty plus years ago. When
he was he was like a bad boy who liked
to party. I'm like this guy, he's like you've met.
He's like the nicest guy dude have.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's also been married and has nine kids.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Like I mean, the idea that you would try to
classify him as some like out of control, raging part like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
The ideal family man.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They're like, you realize he was to drink beer and
stay out with women when he was in college.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
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So we mentioned, you know, Miken Joe going to mar Lago.
(19:17):
There have been a lot of reactions to that. One
of the things is Brian Stelter, who Buck? Does he
have the lowest testosterone level of any man that appears
regularly on television. Is that a fair assessment? We should
legitimately send him a care package of like chalk for
six months to help my man out.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So he went on CNN. They fired him and now
he's back. He went on CNN.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You can't get rid of him. You can't get that's right,
you can't get rid of him, he had a good cry.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Remember, with one of the maybe the weakest media tweet
of all time, I curled up in the fetal position
and just had a good, long cry. I still can't
believe that's real. He went on and said Joe and
Mika had to go to mar A Lago because they
feared retribution. Here's what that sounded like.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Jomica didn't say much about it today, but according to
my sources, they believed they credibly were concerned that they
faced governmental and legal harassment with this incoming administration, essentially
that they feared retribution. To be fair to Brazinski and Scarborough,
they're not the only MSNBC hosts or the only The
(20:27):
word journalist is complicated, right because they're more like personalities.
But there are a number of journalists at place like
the AP and other big news outlets that are concerned
about retaliation in the coming months.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Now.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
I don't know exactly what the specific concern Joe Amica
had was or wasn't, but they're not the only MSNBC
personalities worried about retaliation. However, they are the only ones
to go down to mar A Lago and have a meeting.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
What I mean it's okay. First of all, sources tell
me that there could stop okay. But to his credit,
block Scott Jennings, who is the most talented person I
think on air CNN right now, just openly mocked the
idea that Joe and Mika were afraid of Trump doing
something to them after Stelter said it. This is on
(21:09):
CNN to Stelter's face, and Joy, I.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Mean, isn't it possible too that they're just two people
who thinks are.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So full of themselves, so full of self.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Aggrandizement, that they would feel like that they would be
personally Scott, I don't.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Tell anyone, but some of their colleagues feel that way.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Well, I just, first of all, I can see why.
Second of all, if that's what happened, and if that's
what they truly believed, why didn't they go on TV
and say that we went down there to meet with
the President to tell him that, hey, anyone who's been
critical of you, you know, you should treat us like
journalists and not like the enemy. They didn't go on
TV and say that. They went on TV and portrayed
it much differently. So what I hear you saying in
your reporting is they had a motive that they weren't
(21:47):
willing to disclose to their audience, which I think should
get them more scorn today than they were already getting
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I think that's well said. There's also one more clip.
I can't believe they let this guy keep going on.
So this was Michael Cohen who went on MSNBC and
says he's so afraid that he's now got a passport
in somebody else's name in case he has to flee
the country. This is from I believe MSNBC listen.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Already working on foreign passport with a completely different name.
I don't know how it's going to work. As far
as dealing with my wife and my children. I certainly
don't want them moving to where I'm looking to go.
And I don't think yourself. The president of MSNBC, General
Millie Liz Cheney. How many people has he turned around
(22:37):
and said that these are people that I intend to
go after if I have the ability to.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
And the worst is.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
The Supreme Court's recent decision that gave him immunity presidential immunity.
Now he thinks it's not only is it I can
do whatever I want, but I can't even be prosecuted
to get out of jail free card solely for the president.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Ada here, you leave the country, I have no choice. Okay,
this is really funny. But let me start with this book.
You worked in the CIA. Would you advise someone to
go on television and say they're trying to get a
passport from a foreign country and a name different than theirs.
That seems like it's probably illegal on the first testry,
(23:16):
go find the place where he can go to a
non extradition country and find himself, you know, away from
you guys in the Trump White House.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What a baby clay. It's insane. Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
First of all, the federal government can basically find you
anywhere in the world if they want to, So start
with that. Okay, Michael Cohen is not about to disappear
in the Hindukush and go.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Native, all right, It's not gonna be that hard to find.
Laughing about what country would he even go to?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well, this is what I'm saying. Not if you look
up what non extradition countries, there's a lot of bad
countries you would not want to live in that are
not places you want to go. And fun fact, even
non extradition countries. That just means they don't have an
extradition treaty. If the US government calls them and they're like, hey,
will you give this a give this guy back to US,
chances are gonna say, yeah, we don't want this headache.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Would you just.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Watch a reality television show of Michael Cohen fleeing the
country and having you go to like Haiti.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I was not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I would watch the heck out of that television show
Michael Cohen, and like, I don't even know equators much
for let's send him much further, Like Michael Cohen trying
to go like all of a sudden, he's a goat
herter and Kyrgyzstan or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He's like, hey, is this how you milk? Is this
how you milk the goats? How do you milk the goats? Hey?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
He said he didn't want to leave his family. I mean,
these people are so freaking crazy, they are so durant.
I think Jennings got this right when he said you
have to have a level of narcissism that is off
the charts for Trump to be elected and for your
first thought to be He's gonna put me in prison.
(24:52):
I mean, he was already president. He hasn't put anybody
in prison. Like, what why would he suddenly decide, Hey,
you know, I gotta go get the morning show host
on MSNBC. They can no longer talk to the seven
hundred thousand people who watch their show.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They're too much of a public threat. They've got to
be in prison.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Also, you know, it's amazing Donald Trump. They actually did
try to lock him up. I mean, they really did
prosecute him for nonsense. And now their whole thing is.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What if he decides to prosecute us for nonsense?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And by the way, your idea of a Michael Cohen show, like,
I really, you know, what wat the heck out of that?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know, all, what is.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
The funniest country that Michael Cohen could flee to for purposes?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I mean Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen sneaking into North Korea?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Like at least Trump can't get me here. At least
that will be safe.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
John might turn Michael Cohen back over to Trump because
I think they have a pretty good relationship. Like it's true.
I think Rocketman may say, we'll give you back Michael.
It's gonna be like, hey, Trump, here's Michael Cohen back.
What is the funniest non extra diitible country. First of all,
it has to be a felony, right, Am I crazy
(26:05):
to use a fake name and get a foreign passport?
That has to be something that you could actually go
to prison for. So going on MSNBC and saying you're
going to do that doesn't seem very smart from a
covert fleeing the country move. Like if he did he
had gone on and been like, hey, yeah, you know
they got me on a lot of this baby oil stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm in real trouble.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm gonna get a fake passport and I'm going to
go to somebody do research on the list of non
extraditable countries. Oh I can I can name? I mean
I could? You want to know some of them? You
got Cuba all there? Cuba, Cuba might be the best
to go. Well, that's the closest. So that's actually one
that people have made it to when they want it.
(26:48):
If you don't every want to be arrested in the
Cuban government's not going to arrest you. You make it a
Cuba you're not going to get You're not going to
get deported or you're not going to get to extradited,
but you're going to be in Cuba and hope that
they're treating you well.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
North Korea, Russia, China, and Gola. I don't think Lebanon
has an extradition treaty with the United States. You know
that's right, because what's the guy's name who fled and
was formerly like the huge auto executive that got smuggled
out of Japan. He got into into be Root, right,
and he's been able.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
To stay there. Yeah, so Lebanon's on the list.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean the countries overwhelmingly that are on that list
are countries you'd be like, I don't want to live there.
What is the funniest country on the list that we
could get Michael Cohen to go to and do a
reality television show about it? All right, I'm looking up
right now, I mean there are like if you're looking,
I mean, I don't know how long he'd last in Somalia,
Like that would be kind of a survival show for him,
(27:42):
that Michael Cohen as a Somali pilot Pirate would be
a show I would watch. I'm the captain now, I
would be all in on that Vietnam. Vietnam is actually
really actually really enjoyed my time in Vietnam when I visited,
So that's a good that's a good place to go.
The Central African Republic, I think they've been through decades
of like the worst war, famine, disease, and Huang Guy
(28:04):
Bon Guy Cohen and Bon Guy would be a heck
of a look. I don't imagine there's a lot of
white Americans that are choosing to live in in in
in Bon guys.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Here are some of the ones.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Uh, some of the Iran would be amazing, Michael Cohen,
And Iran would be like just showing up with the
Ayatola chillin. I can you imagine the zooms I have
converted to Islam. It is a beautiful religion. I am
now an Iranian citizen Michael Cohen. Uh, yeah, good luck
with that one too. That'd be a lot of fun
to Americans. Doesn't seem like that would be a really
smart move, But maybe maybe he would be a great
(28:36):
fit thing Afghanistan.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Afghanistan with a Taliban in charge, mind you, like there's
no more you know, it's not like the Northern Alliance
is going to keep you safe in the north anymore? Yikes,
not good, not not a fun, not a fun place
to be. So there's a I mean, the list is
pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And by the way, I'm I'm all in.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I encourage Michael Cohen to commit a felony, get an
illegal passport, change with with a fake name, and then
I want him to go to Iran. I want him
to go to Cambodia. I want him to go to
one of these countries that I have no idea about.
And I would watch a reality television show about Michael
Cohen starting his life back over there. Sure he has
a lot of marketable skills. Smally pirate Michael Cohen. I
(29:18):
mean I would, I would try that out.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I mean, you know this guy was. It's amazing too.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
He was Trump's lawyer for so many years. And now
he's talking about fleeing the country and have you get
a passport, you know, like buck he's bragging about that
has to again, it has to be a felony to
get a foreign passport under a different name like that
can't be legal. I mean, if you if I told you,
(29:44):
like you your brother you've got a single brother. If
your brother was like, hey, I got a new girlfriend,
and you're like, what does she do? Well, I'm not
really sure, but she has a foreign passport in a
different name. You'd be like, you know, maybe you could
pride somebody else to date. It's not a great choice.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Problem for sure. Yeah, I look, Michael Cohen is not
leaving the country. It's absurd, you know. I think I
mentioned that Ava Longoria, you know, and I think we
mentioned on the show that she actually is. She's already
been out so she lives in like Madrid, and you know,
she lives in fancy places around the world already, so
it's not like she's giving up her life in America.
(30:21):
She already spends most of the year abroad, so that
wasn't some big change. But she's saying, oh yeah, I'm
going to live abroad also, Like it's just so silly,
isn't it, you know what I mean? Like, what are
I really even talking about? What do they think is
going to happen to them? There's bigger there's bigger fish
to fry. I do give them credit.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
At least if you say, if somebody wins an election
in either direction that you are leaving the country, you
should have to leave the country because ninety nine percent
of the people who say if Trump wins, I'm leaving
the country, never leave. At least if you're gonna make
that statement, follow up with it when the election actually
(30:59):
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got
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of the new nominees want to discuss, and also one
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Speaker 7 (33:59):
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Speaker 5 (33:59):
Hey, y'all doing a great job. I just think it
is a good time for a rush quote about the
nominees the left or not by partisan? Somebody give me
an example of left weight by partisanship. They don't even
define it that way we do. By partnership is they
define it as we cave on our core beliefs and
agree with them. That is by partisnship. There it is
(34:21):
no compromnd just want to throw that out and do
what you guys have to say.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Look, first of all, thanks for the call. I think
we're gonna talk about this in a little bit. Some
things there is no room for bipartisanship on like, hey,
this guy is a dude pretending to be a chick.
How do you bypartisan? That which is the controversy right now?
It's a true binary in every sense.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It is or is not. It is true or it
is not, that is it. I think there are a
lot of those issues.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
By the way, my wife weighed in on the illegal
on the leaving and.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Becoming a citizen.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh, where would Laura make you, guys go if you
had to flee the country. I know I'm going monta Negro. Yeah,
Laura would be well versed on this. I mean this
is My wife has been getting paper maps because she's
convinced that the Internet is going to collapse and we're
going to have civil war at some point. So paper
maps have been arriving at my house so that you
could figure out how to get around.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
In the country.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
But she points out I think it's it's a good
point that most countries it is insanely hard to become
a citizen. Yeah, you can't just suddenly become a citizen.
There's a few Caribbean islands where but they have extradition treaties.
Most places won't allow you to just show up and
become a citizen. The United States is actually incredibly rare
(35:38):
in its openness to the idea of immigration. Buck Japan
and China, you can't become a citizen. It's almost impossible
if you aren't born in Japan and China for those
countries to allow you to ever become a citizen. We
talk a lot about immigration policy and everything else. Very
rarely do we look external to the United States and
(36:00):
point out how rare it is that we are as
open as we are to as many different people as
we are.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I do think it was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I was out to dinner last night and one of
the guys brought up Trudeau just out of nowhere, buck
posting a video saying, yeah, we're basically done with immigration
in Canada. They've been letting people in left and right.
Trudeau is the ultimate left wing beta male, and suddenly
even he is like, yeah, you know what, We've actually
let in too many immigrants and we're shutting the door.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
For the next three years.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's how much the discussion has changed on immigration, not
only here in the United States with Trump's victory, but
even in place like America's top hat of Canada, they're
looking around and saying, yeah, maybe we've been way too open.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Cana's a lot smaller than us and smaller than us.
If you take in too many foreigners, you don't have
a country anything, right,
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