July 31, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the political headlines dominating the national conversation. The hour opens with a sharp focus on Kamala Harris, who recently announced she will not run for California governor in 2026. The hosts analyze her new book, 107 Days, and preview her upcoming appearance on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert—her first major interview since her 2024 presidential campaign defeat.
The central debate of the hour revolves around Kamala Harris’s political future. Clay and Buck engage in a spirited discussion over whether Harris will run for president in 2028. Clay argues she will, citing her age, lack of alternative pursuits, and her unique position as a Black female candidate with strong name recognition. Buck counters that Harris is politically finished, suggesting she’s more likely to take a ceremonial role at a university or think tank. The conversation touches on Democratic Party strategy, the importance of the South Carolina primary, and the influence of figures like James Clyburn.
The hosts also revisit Kamala Harris’s most infamous media moments, including her widely criticized response to questions about visiting the southern border. These clips are used to underscore concerns about her communication skills and political instincts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,
and we have got a loaded program for all of you.
Nancy Pelosi flustered when she's confronted with insider trading allegations.
Mom Donnie the Democrat nominee on in the New York
(00:25):
City mayor's race, we will break down his sudden change
of heart when it comes to defunding the police. Certainly
interesting timing there. But we begin with our good friend
Kamala Harris. Yesterday afternoon, shortly after we finished the program,
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Kamala announced that she will not run for governor in
twenty twenty six. Since then, she has announced that she
has a new book out called one hundred and seven
Days that will be out sometime next month or sorry,
in September for those of you, I guess it's the
last day of July. For those of you want to
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make sure that that is on your calendar so that
you do not miss the opportunity to buy that on
the release day. It will be coming out in September.
She also just announced, or it was just reported, that
she will be Stephen Colbert's guest tonight on his late show.
This is the very first interview Kamala will have done
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since her epic defeat in the twenty twenty four campaign.
She has to a large extent, stayed out of public
view for the last six months or so in the
wake of that election defeat and the obvious inauguration day
that followed. But I thought that we should first let's
(01:49):
start with this. Let's go on the record, Buck if
you want to, I don't even know what your answer
is going to be on this. Do you believe that
she will run in twenty two, twenty eight or do
you think this is effectively Kamala Harris waiving the proverbial
white flag and letting it be known that she is
no longer going to be involved in serious politics.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know what I've said all along, Clay, I am
a firm believer in Kamala Harris is on her way
to a chancellorship or some other quasi ceremonial overpaid role
at a UC school, university, California school, or something like that.
(02:36):
Maybe she is, you know, a senior something or other,
you know, a chancellor emeritus or something at the Brookings Foundation,
you know, like, but she's out of the political game.
Is my point here, the fact that she's written a
book about the one hundred days. The only way this
book could be worth reading and could be interesting in
(02:56):
the least is if Kamala Harris was going score work yeah,
and just lighting up every Democrat who crossed her, every
idiot who gave her some of the worst advice I've
ever seen. It was clear that she was advised, for example,
not to do media. That was and she started doing
(03:17):
media when the public outcry was, Hey, you're running for president.
It's been a few weeks since you became the nominee. Effectively,
you have to actually talk to people. You can't just
have the machine do all this for you. But now
we get to clay, was it actually better for her
(03:38):
to not do any of the media here is for example,
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, hold on before before we get the Kamala I
actually disagree. I think she's gonna run. I think she
will run in twenty twenty. Bet stake best steak. Bet
Let me let me yes steak bet on Kamala's future.
Let me lay out why I think she will run
because I understand market down, team market down. I understand
(04:04):
your argument of she can get a multimillion dollar relaxed job.
She isn't actually a very talented politician. It's rare for
Democrats to renominate a candidate who lost.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can run through all of those different things.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't think she has anything else in her life.
This is me getting into the psychoanalysis of Kamala Harris one.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
She's sixty.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That is relatively young as these things go in the
political process. Hillary, somebody can look up the exact age
Hillary was. But actually, I think Hillary had a I
can't believe. I'm gonna say Hillary has a life outside
of politics in some way. She's got a daughter, she's
got grandkids, She's got a husband that at least she
(04:51):
has been with for a long time and has some
sort of relationship with. I don't think Kamala actually likes
Doug him Hoff. I think he's a loser. I think
deep down she knows that he's a loser, not a
particularly likable or charismatic guy. Her. She doesn't have any kids,
she doesn't have any pre existing life. She's I can't
(05:15):
believe that. I'm not trying to just utterly destroy her,
but I think she's an empty soul. And politics, feels
the void in her life that otherwise doesn't exist. There
are other people out there that and you all know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I would argue with you that Hillary Clinton actually has
an even bigger hole in her soul and doesn't care
that she has a husband who she obviously does not
have any real uh you know.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Maybe, but she has a daughter, she has grandkids like Hillary.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think either.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think Hillary has a life that is more filling
in its way than Kamala does. I mean, I can
understand the argument, and but I just look at this
and I say, hey, she was.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Utterly humiliated in this election, utterly coo. She lost, Yes,
she lost every swing state.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
She looked like she's a disaster. But she can at
least say it wasn't. Why didn't she hear?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
With this book, it's trying to reframe the narrative of
the disaster. Now, I know you're saying, well, maybe that's
to reframe it so she can run again in a
few years, Clay, the Democrats are going to want to
move on everything Biden related entirely, and at least Kamala
Harris can go out now on the speaking tour and
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take that chancellor's job at you know, you see San
Diego or whatever making a million dollars a year to
go to cocktail parties and sound like an imbecile. If
she runs again, she has to put herself out there
for other Democrats to further destroy her brand. Now she's
a former vice president who was pushed into the slot.
(06:53):
That's obviously part I haven't read the book, but I
could tell you what the book's about.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It was I did my.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Best under difficult circumstances, and like, you know, please don't
hate me. That's her book, it's not I'm amazing. I'm
the leader of the Democrat Party going forward. And Gavin Newsom,
by the way, he is going to work all the donors.
He's gonna work the entire system in California. So there's
not even a hint of a lane for Kamala to run.
We got a stake on this one.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I get the argument. Your argument is not a bad one.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I just think she has to do this because I
don't think she has anything else in her life, and
I think there are a lot of people that advise
her that also are incentivized to build her back up
and convince her that she needs to run.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Here's the I think politics was the easiest way for
her to get a job that paid her and gave
her prominence and access. And if that now is offered
to her outside of politics, she would far. She's never
had to run a real campaign, obviously, look at the
campaign she ran. She is the DEEI, the pinnacle of
DEI and it all collapsed.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But look at the like I can't believe that I'm
now going to be made making the commed shoutrageous it
is that I'm now if I'm Kamala's chief commissar, her
chief of staff, whoever her conflict consigliari is, they don't
pounce the g consolieri consiliary, whoever the person is that
(08:18):
can put her in a position that then elevates his
or her position. Look at the rest of the Democrat
field of minority candidates, and we know black voters are
a huge part of the overall electorate. Look, Stacy Abrams
is dead in the water, Karen bass is dead in
(08:39):
the water. There is no black female candidate unless Oprah
runs or somebody like that that can go into the
Kamala arena right to get the nomination. This is the
way I'm sketching it. Out in her mind, Wes Moore
is unchallenged. Corey Booker is is just lighting himself on fire.
She is the number one my nor aready candidate in
(09:01):
a field buck that may start in South Carolina because
remember there's now a battle over what is the overall
flow chart of the Democrat Party. If James Clyburn says
as he did when Kamala got elevated, it's Kamala, She'll
be the nominee. There's going to be a bunch of
white guys. Gavin Newsom, I hope you're right. I hope
(09:24):
you're right, But you're you're saying, you're saying why she's
going to be the nominee or why she's going to run. Well,
I think guy's going to be the nominee. We gotta
go more than a stake. I need like a trip
to Saint Barbe. That's that's where. That's where they're going
to pitch her. So I'm just sketching out why she's
going to run because they're going to say, you're the
only black candidate that can get black support. If James
(09:46):
Clyburn is still live in South Carolina and he says
you're the pick, much like Joe Biden became the nominee.
Look Mayor, Pete, Gavin Newsom, Josh Shapiro, They're all kind
of running for the same lane.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Who is the I mean, just put it to the
lost everywhere she could possibly lose as badly as she
could lose. It would be almost unthinkable for a Democrat
to underperform Kamala's numbers in this last election you're going
to get. I mean, I hope what you're saying is true.
I just think the Democrats aren't that insane, Okay. I mean,
(10:21):
here's what I'm saying. They're going to pitch to her.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Who is the minority candidate that is going to get
the black vote instead of her?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think Democrats think that. I don't think Democrats
are necessarily going to run a minority. Joe Biden, by
the way, had phenomenal support among the black community of
Democrat voters. I don't think you need to run a mind.
I think you're artificially limiting the field.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But Joe Biden didn't have to overcome a minority candidate
because Kamala was so bad she had already dropped out.
It was Joe Biden, when by the time Cliburn made.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Sure there was Corey Booker, there was Kamala Harris, there
was that guy from those guys as the congressman who's
Latin Latin America. Those guys were gone by the time
Cliburn had to make the decision. Remember, if they start
in South Carolina, and I don't know that they are.
If they start in South Carolina, then the black vote
is going to matter. The black vote doesn't matter in
Iowa and New Hampshire because it doesn't exist, which is
(11:10):
why Democrats have said, hey, we should start with South Carolina.
You start with South Carolina again, that will be a
signe of whether Kamala is gonna run. I think she's
gonna run. So do you disagree with this statement if
they run Kamala in Well, see, no, we're conflating a
little bit here because you're saying she's going to run.
Maybe she runs, but if she does, she's doing it
(11:31):
for the book sales and the attention.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I would I would we agree?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Chance?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Zero zero chance.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't even agree with that because if they start
with South Carolina, I think it will be a minority voter,
a minority candidate that gets the South Carolina primary win.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Now maybe it's West running for governor of California. Why
wouldn't she do it? No, why isn't she doing it?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh? Because I think she doesn't think that it gains
her any standing. If she runs in twenty twenty eight, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Clai, twenty twenty eight is a long time away. People
are going to forget who Kamala Harris is. What might
be might be good for her, That's what I'm saying.
It might be good, though, but I think her name
recognition is going to fade along with it. I think
she's in a far better position running for president if
she was the governor of California. I just I actually
think if she's governor, she exposes herself because she does
(12:23):
far more public events. She's an empty suit. She's an
awful candidate. But I think you have to get into
her peanut brain and think as she lays this all out,
I think she is going to run.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Let's put in a pole question. I'm curious, like what
people think. By the way, you can weigh in and
we got a long time to think of. But remember
people are as fellow. I think he's wrong top to
bottom on this one. I think he's wrong. People are
going to announce by January of twenty seven. So it
sounds like it's a long time away until November of
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twenty eight. But people, the Democrats are going to officially
be chopping at the bit and announcing in January February.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You may be right, I may be right, but we
have deprived the audience of the greatest hits of Kamala
because of how we will play those. We would hit those, Yes,
we have to hit those, okay, because that I think
will also shed some light on the discussion. Wow, Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You know we talk about the The best case maybe
for a Kamala resurgence would be the career of Joe Biden,
who ran three times was a total loser, but that
was contingent upon a once in a century pandemic and
a mass delusion that allowed a dementia patient to hide
in a basement and have people cheering for him to
(13:40):
be hiding in that basement. You would need clay, something
completely world changing for Kama. They would have to be
like the COVID pandemic. For Kamala, Harris even be the nominee.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But remember Biden was the nominee before COVID hit he
won in South Carolina because Clyburn said vote for and
then Super Tuesday happened all before COVID became an issue,
and then they hit him right if he had.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Had to be I mean, how he became president.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But yeah, but even yeah, but even the nominee, they
basically just said, it's Biden and to knock out Bernie Well,
that was name recognition tied to him being eight years
of Obama's wingman.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's that was the whole decision, and it was the
system just deciding that the guy who was with the
guy who won twice can win again. And it was
a very unique moment in time for Joe Biden because
obviously he wasn't even leading and they picked him. But
that's because they thought he could win and they managed
to do it. I know they cheated whatever. But Kamala
Harris Clay Clay, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We'll get into this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He's gonna say, I deserve to be the full nominee.
I deserve a black woman. They just threw me in
to try to take.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The your your buddy Cuomo, who you said was gonna
be mayor and then president. He's about to get his
ass kicked by Mom Donnie. I met he was gonna run.
I said he was gonna run for president, And that's
a mess. I did not see Mom Donnie.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Come, I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't think if he gets his ass kicked by
mom Donnie, he's gonna run for president after that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think that's But if you were able to win
as an independent, I think you would.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
The thing is, some of these people are insane enough
that I can't entirely even if I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Have anything else.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
This is where your argument of what do you actually
lose by running for president is actually a good one,
Like most people, I guess. I mean, if you're telling
me that is kmma gonna run in a few years
and she's gonna end up with like five percent or
ten percent of the vote or something, I'm like maybe.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But all right, all right, let's hear from all of
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Speaker 2 (17:25):
All right, we're gonna come back with the best of
Kamala here in a second, because play is convinced that
Kamala Harris is going to come back and run. And
a lot of your weighing in. We want to get
some of your funny comments on this. Clay's basic thesis
is that there's nothing but running for president that could
fill the giant hole in kamala soul.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yes, out that the hole in the soul part we
totally agree on. But I don't know. I think I
think we'll see, we shall see.
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We'll get some of your comments, calls and talkbacks here
in a second, because a big topic today is the
announcement that Kamala Harris is not running for governor of California.
New York Times piece here what Kamala Harris's decision not
to run for governor means for twenty twenty eight and
A Harris ally says all options are on the table.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They didn't call you for this one, did.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
They, but cautions against reading too much into the former
vice president's choice to skip the governor's race. So it's
funny because this New York Times piece essentially does the
point counterpoint that you and I just did, which is
name recognition, minority female, big fundraising, but an absolutely horrifying
finish in the last election that most Democrats are desperate
(19:37):
to move on from. So that's really where this that's
where the rubber meets the road on this.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Do we agree that Kamala's book, depending on who the
ghost author is, has the potential to be one of
the worst political books of all time. Yes, I mean,
what a loser you would even have to be, frankly
to buy Kamala Harris his book and read about the
(20:02):
one hundred and and seven day disaster campaign that she ran.
By the way, pole question is up, I haven't even
looked at the results yet. At Clay Travis on Twitter
will share it from at Clay and Buck two. Do
you agree with me that you think Kamala will run
in twenty twenty eight or do you agree with Buck
not whether she'll be the nominee, because that's the next
(20:24):
god By. I would love I would pay an obscene
amount of money right now to guarantee that Kamala Harris
was the nominee in twenty twenty eight. Because where I
think Buck, you and I would agree is there is
a zero percent chance that she could win in twenty
twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Like zero.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But I will say this, if you were listening to
MSNBC or CNN when Trump said he was gonna run,
or if you were having.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
This debate in.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
February of twenty two, twenty one, right after Joe Biden
came into office, and you were like, hey, well Trump run,
I think a lot of people would have said yes,
they would have said there was a zero percent chance
he could win on MSNBC and CNN, So crazy things
can happen. There have been totally unexpected political comebacks, as
we have seen with Trump in terms of the expected
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national opinion. I think that they are going to convince
Kamala that she should run. By the way, producer Ali
points out that she has step children. I understand some
of you are stepparents. When you become a step parent
of kids that are already in their teenage years. One
of them was already away at college, the other one
was already into well into high school, that's not an
(21:44):
insignificant role. It is not the same as raising children
from infants see two all the way to adulthood. So
I don't think that being a step mom is feeling
the huge hole in Kamala Harris soul am I going
to have every step parent in America. Is there's gonna
be a headline now Klay Travis attacks stepparents.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I just don't think that.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Kamala Harris, I'm sorry this whole Mamala thing that they
remember they call her Mamala, that it didn't work. People
do not buy into Kamala Harris as a mom. Step
moms can matter. They aren't all the wicked witch of
Cinderella fame. Some of you are great step moms. It
is not the same as raising a child from birth,
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which I think would be more likely to have something
in Kamala Harris's world that is significant.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I want to present you all now with some of
the greatest hits of the former Democrat nominee and former
Vice President of these United States, Kamala Harris. I in
some ways think this is top three for me. This
is a flashback to the June twenty twenty one, so
this is early. This isn't turned the campaign early in
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Biden's presidency when she was the border czar who did
not go to the BORDEU. So how does that work? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Play twenty four. You have any plans to visit the
border at some point?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
You know we are going to the border. We've been
to the border. So this whole, this whole, this whole
thing about the border. We've been to the border. We've
been to the border. You haven't been to the border,
and I haven't been to Europe, and I don't know
understand the point that you're making uh.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
No, she does. She does, but she's horrible.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Let's probably Lester whole credit because he was like, lady, lady, like,
I'm here to help you, but there's only so much
that you can do without me looking like a moron too.
You can't say we've been to the border when you
haven't been to the border.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Let's play that again before we do. Though, if you
get wrecked by Lester Holt, it's like Ned Flanders coming
in and just like pimp slapping you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I don't know how you ever recover from this.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, Lester is a very nice guy, but if
Lester Holt just wrecks you, and like if you or
I went and set for an intern, who's the most
I don't know if Lester Holt still does his show,
who is the interview subject that if you set across
from them and they just wrecked you, like you should
just have to wave goodbye to your political career?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Who is the least.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Intimidating in Like if Michael If I did an interview
with Michael Strahan, right, I think he's on Good Morning
America and obviously he's got the football background, and you
watched it and you were like, Michael Strahan just flayed
Clay Travis and I was running for political office.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I'll be like, I'll see you guys, I'm headed to
the beach. Maybe this is not for me.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You get wrecked by Lester Holt, who is the you know,
like Billy Bush just took you to the wood shed
with shed.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
In some political interview.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Back in the day, the current affairs host Pat O'Brien,
I think like there are a lot of guys where
if you got.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Wrecked by, I would say paul Abdul from American Idol
because she was always the one.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah, anybody on a mayor, although Simon Cole on
American Idol, Simon cow would light you up for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm saying Paula was the nice one. So if Paula
was mean to you, you really couldn't sing. So, yes,
that was a that was a more time. I just
love that time. Love that one so much.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Here it is Lester Hohold two by four hacksaw Jim
Duggan style on Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Do you have any plans to visit the border.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
At some point? You know we are going to the border.
We've been to the border. So this whole this whole
this whole thing about the border. We've been to the border.
We've been to the border.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
You haven't been to the border.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And I haven't been to Europe.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I think she make it on wait wait, Clay.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
She clearly was told by some staffer trying to make
this about like we the administration. Yeah, because it's impossible
to come to this conclusion that she did, that you're
gonna get away with someone like Clay, you've been to Athens, Georgia.
If I'm telling everybody we've been to Athens, Georgia, someone's
gonna look at me and be like, Buck, you haven't
(26:06):
gone to the game yet. That's weird. You have not
been to Athens, Georgia. That's very straightforward. How did she
think she would get away with this? Yeah, Look, her
answer is very strange. I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think they probably said, hey, you're speaking on behalf
of the administration, you specifically, But for her to say
and I haven't been to Europe is such a I
think that's actually what created the bigger difference, because if
she had just followed up and said, look, the administration
collectively has many different things on their plate. I will
physically be at the border at some point in time.
(26:37):
You can understand what's going on from the border by
hearing from people who work there every day. This is
not a difficult question. Again, it's Lester Holt. I think
her pivot to and I haven't been to Europe was
such an incongruous record scratch moment that it just calls
into question her ability to do simple, basic interviews. Which
(26:58):
is why tying in, I think if she were governor,
I don't think she'd be able to run for president
because I think she would have so many gaffes as
California governor, where she has to be in an executive role,
that it would be considered impossible for her. Think of
all the things that have gone to me if she if.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
She was a serious person, she would say, I'm gonnapprove
to everybody, I'm gonna win California and I'm gonna be
the governor. Right, that would be if she was a
serious person, That's what she would do. She's an unseerious person.
I don't care that she was the vice president. And
then I think, now we're going to the campaign. This
is Kamala's greatest hits. This is probably the worst moment
she had on air in the entire campaign. October eighth,
(27:42):
twenty twenty four flashback Here she's asked on the view
of all places, right, wasn't this on the view? Yes,
it was the view. If she would do anything differently
from Biden?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Play twenty five, If anything, would you have done something
differently than President Biden during the past four years?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
There is not a thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That is I think the worst possible answer. I think
the better answer would be absolutely anything than I don't
have an answer. You know, that just shows she's completely
she has not spent one minute thinking about actual governance.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I don't know that it would have worked, and I'm
sure the polling said that it would not. But I
think in order to actually have a chance to win,
Kamala Harris had to attack Joe Biden and say he
made some choices the administration made choices that I don't
think were the right ones that if I had been
in that chair, I think I might have done differently.
(28:41):
It's incredibly disloyal, It's arguably a sin that would have
rendered her relationship with Joe Biden completely sundered forever. But
I think she had to do it. In order to win.
Because if you're running on behalf of a historically unpo
popular regime and you are arguing to Sonny Hostin there,
(29:04):
that would be a good example, by the way of somebody,
if I set down for an interview with Sonny Hostin
and she just destroyed me, and you guys just sitting
back like, oh my god, Sonny is just like like,
we're gonna feel like I think she would be very
I think she'd be very aggressive with you in an interview.
You don't think she she's a former prosecutor and she's mean.
I think she would. I just don't think she's smart
enough to actually argue. She wouldn't win the arguments, but
(29:27):
she shouldn't come at you. She's not like in a
It's not like Wolf Blitzer or Lester Holt, who are
pretty laid back. I'm saying if if I went, if
I said, hey, I'm sitting down for an interview with
Sonny Houstin, and then you guys all watched a twenty
minute interview and it was actually not edited, right, I mean,
just live, and I was just getting you barraged. I
was like in the corner in a boxing match, just
(29:48):
like with my my mits up just getting pummeled by
Sonny Hostin. I think I would have to tap out.
But this, I do think you're right. I think she
had to cut bait with Biden. She wasn't willing to
do it, and I think that was sometimes you end
up with the most destructive political moments in the softest
of interviews. I think that Sunny Houstin actually inadvertently and
(30:11):
I think she felt awful about having done it. I
think she exposed the number one biggest attack angle on
Kamala Harris, which was she's just Joe Biden two point zero.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Think about this if you were if you were walking
up to somebody on the street and doing that man
on the street ask a question thing, and you go,
I don't want this person to look dumb, so I'm
going to ask them whoever It is the easiest question
I can think of, yah, because I'm trying to be nice.
And then unfortunately that turns into that you know, what
is the capital of the United States? And they say,
(30:45):
you know, Portland, Oregon. Yeah, Like you tried to help them,
but they've done enormous damage to their standing with the audience, right,
And that's what happened. I think with Kamala, she was
trying to give her a softball and she took a
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Speaker 2 (32:18):
Whoops, he just got startled, Darius. Welcome back into Clay
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an appearance here on the YouTube. He is fascinated by
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Speaker 3 (32:35):
He is three and a.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Half months old, super cute. Where does he put himself
right now in the uh in the weight category for
young children because he.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Is a shy of just shy of ninetieth percentile. So
he is my little red haired sumo wrestler right now.
He's got some chunky legs on him. That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
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this clip of this gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
If politicians can hold it and kiss babies on the
head for votes, I feel like we can do it
for followers on.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
YouTube, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And by the way, the pole question is up sixty
percent of you you can go vote. Sixty percent of
you agree with Buck that she will not run. That
is Kamala Harris will not run in twenty twenty eight
presidential cycle. Forty percent of you agree with me, so
(33:54):
yes she runs, forty percent, No, she will not run
sixty percent. That's according to the votes out there right now.
So you can go vote and make your voice heard
as well. Don in North Carolina wants to weigh in
on this. Don, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Don? You will apparently not?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Don?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Don is not there about Mike in Wisconsin? Is he there?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Guys? Hey, you know you're both very smart, but your
analysis of Kamala in twenty eight is too complicated and
it's flawed. And here's why. The correct analysis. Whatever is
the wrong decision for her, that's the decision that she's
going to make. She can't weigh the point counterpoint arguments
in the New York Times article, nor does she have
(34:47):
the introspects and to look at the voids in her
life or her talents or lack thereof.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Whatever is the.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Wrong decision is what she's going to decide. Look at Waltz,
look at all the decisions he made in the campaign.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think that running is the wrong decision because I
think ultimately she is a bad choice for the country,
and I think that we got lucky that she was
the VP choice. She was a heartbeat away. Biden was awful,
but I do think Kamala would have been worse. I
think she would have been a worse decision, a worse
leader even than Biden was. And Biden got almost everything
(35:27):
wrong that he did too.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think at that thank you for calling in, don.
I think Clay that the case can be made for
that based on Biden's decrepitude and ineptitude were to the
benefit of the country because it limited how much of
the agenda he could actually push forward. You know, the
fact that it was the auto pen and the advisors
doing it looked at someone like Trump. I mean, Trump
(35:51):
is a force of nature. If you had a force
of nature Kami making all kinds of decisions, that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Would be bad.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Look, I do think the all is a great one
for this reason. All we're deciding when we pick a
president is who should be the ultimate desire. And if
you are good at deciding complex issues, you're not going
to be right on everything. But if you're right seventy
percent of the time, you're a great president. If you're
right sixty percent of the time, you're a good president.
(36:20):
If you're only right twenty five percent of the time,
which maybe Biden was, you're an awful president, one of
the worst ever. So all those decisions just stack up
and eventually lead us to a result. So far, I
love about all the decisions by and large that Trump
is making. And we will see where this goes. By
the way, the Russia collusion stuff has taken over the internet.
(36:41):
You and I were talking about this off air, and
maybe we'll talk a little bit about more about this.
At this point, I think for most people the question
is are there going to be charges broad or not.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
We'll discuss
Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,
and we have got a loaded program for all of you.
Nancy Pelosi flustered when she's confronted with insider trading allegations.
Mom Donnie the Democrat nominee on in the New York
(00:25):
City mayor's race, we will break down his sudden change
of heart when it comes to defunding the police. Certainly
interesting timing there. But we begin with our good friend
Kamala Harris. Yesterday afternoon, shortly after we finished the program,
(00:45):
Kamala announced that she will not run for governor in
twenty twenty six. Since then, she has announced that she
has a new book out called one hundred and seven
Days that will be out sometime next month or sorry,
in September for those of you, I guess it's the
last day of July. For those of you want to
(01:06):
make sure that that is on your calendar so that
you do not miss the opportunity to buy that on
the release day. It will be coming out in September.
She also just announced, or it was just reported, that
she will be Stephen Colbert's guest tonight on his late show.
This is the very first interview Kamala will have done
(01:27):
since her epic defeat in the twenty twenty four campaign.
She has to a large extent, stayed out of public
view for the last six months or so in the
wake of that election defeat and the obvious inauguration day
that followed. But I thought that we should first let's
(01:49):
start with this. Let's go on the record, Buck if
you want to, I don't even know what your answer
is going to be on this. Do you believe that
she will run in twenty two, twenty eight or do
you think this is effectively Kamala Harris waiving the proverbial
white flag and letting it be known that she is
no longer going to be involved in serious politics.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know what I've said all along, Clay, I am
a firm believer in Kamala Harris is on her way
to a chancellorship or some other quasi ceremonial overpaid role
at a UC school, university, California school, or something like that.
(02:36):
Maybe she is, you know, a senior something or other,
you know, a chancellor emeritus or something at the Brookings Foundation,
you know, like, but she's out of the political game.
Is my point here, the fact that she's written a
book about the one hundred days. The only way this
book could be worth reading and could be interesting in
(02:56):
the least is if Kamala Harris was going score work yeah,
and just lighting up every Democrat who crossed her, every
idiot who gave her some of the worst advice I've
ever seen. It was clear that she was advised, for example,
not to do media. That was and she started doing
(03:17):
media when the public outcry was, Hey, you're running for president.
It's been a few weeks since you became the nominee. Effectively,
you have to actually talk to people. You can't just
have the machine do all this for you. But now
we get to clay, was it actually better for her
(03:38):
to not do any of the media here is for example,
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, hold on before before we get the Kamala I
actually disagree. I think she's gonna run. I think she
will run in twenty twenty. Bet stake best steak. Bet
Let me let me yes steak bet on Kamala's future.
Let me lay out why I think she will run
because I understand market down, team market down. I understand
(04:04):
your argument of she can get a multimillion dollar relaxed job.
She isn't actually a very talented politician. It's rare for
Democrats to renominate a candidate who lost.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can run through all of those different things.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't think she has anything else in her life.
This is me getting into the psychoanalysis of Kamala Harris one.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
She's sixty.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That is relatively young as these things go in the
political process. Hillary, somebody can look up the exact age
Hillary was. But actually, I think Hillary had a I
can't believe. I'm gonna say Hillary has a life outside
of politics in some way. She's got a daughter, she's
got grandkids, She's got a husband that at least she
(04:51):
has been with for a long time and has some
sort of relationship with. I don't think Kamala actually likes
Doug him Hoff. I think he's a loser. I think
deep down she knows that he's a loser, not a
particularly likable or charismatic guy. Her. She doesn't have any kids,
she doesn't have any pre existing life. She's I can't
(05:15):
believe that. I'm not trying to just utterly destroy her,
but I think she's an empty soul. And politics, feels
the void in her life that otherwise doesn't exist. There
are other people out there that and you all know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I would argue with you that Hillary Clinton actually has
an even bigger hole in her soul and doesn't care
that she has a husband who she obviously does not
have any real uh you know.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Maybe, but she has a daughter, she has grandkids like Hillary.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think either.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think Hillary has a life that is more filling
in its way than Kamala does. I mean, I can
understand the argument, and but I just look at this
and I say, hey, she was.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Utterly humiliated in this election, utterly coo. She lost, Yes,
she lost every swing state.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
She looked like she's a disaster. But she can at
least say it wasn't. Why didn't she hear?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
With this book, it's trying to reframe the narrative of
the disaster. Now, I know you're saying, well, maybe that's
to reframe it so she can run again in a
few years, Clay, the Democrats are going to want to
move on everything Biden related entirely, and at least Kamala
Harris can go out now on the speaking tour and
(06:33):
take that chancellor's job at you know, you see San
Diego or whatever making a million dollars a year to
go to cocktail parties and sound like an imbecile. If
she runs again, she has to put herself out there
for other Democrats to further destroy her brand. Now she's
a former vice president who was pushed into the slot.
(06:53):
That's obviously part I haven't read the book, but I
could tell you what the book's about.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It was I did my.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Best under difficult circumstances, and like, you know, please don't
hate me. That's her book, it's not I'm amazing. I'm
the leader of the Democrat Party going forward. And Gavin Newsom,
by the way, he is going to work all the donors.
He's gonna work the entire system in California. So there's
not even a hint of a lane for Kamala to run.
We got a stake on this one.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I get the argument. Your argument is not a bad one.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I just think she has to do this because I
don't think she has anything else in her life, and
I think there are a lot of people that advise
her that also are incentivized to build her back up
and convince her that she needs to run.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Here's the I think politics was the easiest way for
her to get a job that paid her and gave
her prominence and access. And if that now is offered
to her outside of politics, she would far. She's never
had to run a real campaign, obviously, look at the
campaign she ran. She is the DEEI, the pinnacle of
DEI and it all collapsed.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But look at the like I can't believe that I'm
now going to be made making the commed shoutrageous it
is that I'm now if I'm Kamala's chief commissar, her
chief of staff, whoever her conflict consigliari is, they don't
pounce the g consolieri consiliary, whoever the person is that
(08:18):
can put her in a position that then elevates his
or her position. Look at the rest of the Democrat
field of minority candidates, and we know black voters are
a huge part of the overall electorate. Look, Stacy Abrams
is dead in the water, Karen bass is dead in
(08:39):
the water. There is no black female candidate unless Oprah
runs or somebody like that that can go into the
Kamala arena right to get the nomination. This is the
way I'm sketching it. Out in her mind, Wes Moore
is unchallenged. Corey Booker is is just lighting himself on fire.
She is the number one my nor aready candidate in
(09:01):
a field buck that may start in South Carolina because
remember there's now a battle over what is the overall
flow chart of the Democrat Party. If James Clyburn says
as he did when Kamala got elevated, it's Kamala, She'll
be the nominee. There's going to be a bunch of
white guys. Gavin Newsom, I hope you're right. I hope
(09:24):
you're right, But you're you're saying, you're saying why she's
going to be the nominee or why she's going to run. Well,
I think guy's going to be the nominee. We gotta
go more than a stake. I need like a trip
to Saint Barbe. That's that's where. That's where they're going
to pitch her. So I'm just sketching out why she's
going to run because they're going to say, you're the
only black candidate that can get black support. If James
(09:46):
Clyburn is still live in South Carolina and he says
you're the pick, much like Joe Biden became the nominee.
Look Mayor, Pete, Gavin Newsom, Josh Shapiro, They're all kind
of running for the same lane.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Who is the I mean, just put it to the
lost everywhere she could possibly lose as badly as she
could lose. It would be almost unthinkable for a Democrat
to underperform Kamala's numbers in this last election you're going
to get. I mean, I hope what you're saying is true.
I just think the Democrats aren't that insane, Okay. I mean,
(10:21):
here's what I'm saying. They're going to pitch to her.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Who is the minority candidate that is going to get
the black vote instead of her?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think Democrats think that. I don't think Democrats
are necessarily going to run a minority. Joe Biden, by
the way, had phenomenal support among the black community of
Democrat voters. I don't think you need to run a mind.
I think you're artificially limiting the field.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But Joe Biden didn't have to overcome a minority candidate
because Kamala was so bad she had already dropped out.
It was Joe Biden, when by the time Cliburn made.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Sure there was Corey Booker, there was Kamala Harris, there
was that guy from those guys as the congressman who's
Latin Latin America. Those guys were gone by the time
Cliburn had to make the decision. Remember, if they start
in South Carolina, and I don't know that they are.
If they start in South Carolina, then the black vote
is going to matter. The black vote doesn't matter in
Iowa and New Hampshire because it doesn't exist, which is
(11:10):
why Democrats have said, hey, we should start with South Carolina.
You start with South Carolina again, that will be a
signe of whether Kamala is gonna run. I think she's
gonna run. So do you disagree with this statement if
they run Kamala in Well, see, no, we're conflating a
little bit here because you're saying she's going to run.
Maybe she runs, but if she does, she's doing it
(11:31):
for the book sales and the attention.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I would I would we agree?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Chance?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Zero zero chance.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't even agree with that because if they start
with South Carolina, I think it will be a minority voter,
a minority candidate that gets the South Carolina primary win.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Now maybe it's West running for governor of California. Why
wouldn't she do it? No, why isn't she doing it?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh? Because I think she doesn't think that it gains
her any standing. If she runs in twenty twenty eight, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Clai, twenty twenty eight is a long time away. People
are going to forget who Kamala Harris is. What might
be might be good for her, That's what I'm saying.
It might be good, though, but I think her name
recognition is going to fade along with it. I think
she's in a far better position running for president if
she was the governor of California. I just I actually
think if she's governor, she exposes herself because she does
(12:23):
far more public events. She's an empty suit. She's an
awful candidate. But I think you have to get into
her peanut brain and think as she lays this all out,
I think she is going to run.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Let's put in a pole question. I'm curious, like what
people think. By the way, you can weigh in and
we got a long time to think of. But remember
people are as fellow. I think he's wrong top to
bottom on this one. I think he's wrong. People are
going to announce by January of twenty seven. So it
sounds like it's a long time away until November of
(12:55):
twenty eight. But people, the Democrats are going to officially
be chopping at the bit and announcing in January February.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You may be right, I may be right, but we
have deprived the audience of the greatest hits of Kamala
because of how we will play those. We would hit those, Yes,
we have to hit those, okay, because that I think
will also shed some light on the discussion. Wow, Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You know we talk about the The best case maybe
for a Kamala resurgence would be the career of Joe Biden,
who ran three times was a total loser, but that
was contingent upon a once in a century pandemic and
a mass delusion that allowed a dementia patient to hide
in a basement and have people cheering for him to
(13:40):
be hiding in that basement. You would need clay, something
completely world changing for Kama. They would have to be
like the COVID pandemic. For Kamala, Harris even be the nominee.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But remember Biden was the nominee before COVID hit he
won in South Carolina because Clyburn said vote for and
then Super Tuesday happened all before COVID became an issue,
and then they hit him right if he had.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Had to be I mean, how he became president.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But yeah, but even yeah, but even the nominee, they
basically just said, it's Biden and to knock out Bernie Well,
that was name recognition tied to him being eight years
of Obama's wingman.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's that was the whole decision, and it was the
system just deciding that the guy who was with the
guy who won twice can win again. And it was
a very unique moment in time for Joe Biden because
obviously he wasn't even leading and they picked him. But
that's because they thought he could win and they managed
to do it. I know they cheated whatever. But Kamala
Harris Clay Clay, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We'll get into this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He's gonna say, I deserve to be the full nominee.
I deserve a black woman. They just threw me in
to try to take.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The your your buddy Cuomo, who you said was gonna
be mayor and then president. He's about to get his
ass kicked by Mom Donnie. I met he was gonna run.
I said he was gonna run for president, And that's
a mess. I did not see Mom Donnie.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Come, I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't think if he gets his ass kicked by
mom Donnie, he's gonna run for president after that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think that's But if you were able to win
as an independent, I think you would.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
The thing is, some of these people are insane enough
that I can't entirely even if I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Have anything else.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
This is where your argument of what do you actually
lose by running for president is actually a good one,
Like most people, I guess. I mean, if you're telling
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All right, we're gonna come back with the best of
Kamala here in a second, because play is convinced that
Kamala Harris is going to come back and run. And
a lot of your weighing in. We want to get
some of your funny comments on this. Clay's basic thesis
is that there's nothing but running for president that could
fill the giant hole in kamala soul.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yes, out that the hole in the soul part we
totally agree on. But I don't know. I think I
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We'll get some of your comments, calls and talkbacks here
in a second, because a big topic today is the
announcement that Kamala Harris is not running for governor of California.
New York Times piece here what Kamala Harris's decision not
to run for governor means for twenty twenty eight and
A Harris ally says all options are on the table.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They didn't call you for this one, did.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
They, but cautions against reading too much into the former
vice president's choice to skip the governor's race. So it's
funny because this New York Times piece essentially does the
point counterpoint that you and I just did, which is
name recognition, minority female, big fundraising, but an absolutely horrifying
finish in the last election that most Democrats are desperate
(19:37):
to move on from. So that's really where this that's
where the rubber meets the road on this.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Do we agree that Kamala's book, depending on who the
ghost author is, has the potential to be one of
the worst political books of all time. Yes, I mean,
what a loser you would even have to be, frankly
to buy Kamala Harris his book and read about the
(20:02):
one hundred and and seven day disaster campaign that she ran.
By the way, pole question is up, I haven't even
looked at the results yet. At Clay Travis on Twitter
will share it from at Clay and Buck two. Do
you agree with me that you think Kamala will run
in twenty twenty eight or do you agree with Buck
not whether she'll be the nominee, because that's the next
(20:24):
god By. I would love I would pay an obscene
amount of money right now to guarantee that Kamala Harris
was the nominee in twenty twenty eight. Because where I
think Buck, you and I would agree is there is
a zero percent chance that she could win in twenty
twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Like zero.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But I will say this, if you were listening to
MSNBC or CNN when Trump said he was gonna run,
or if you were having.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
This debate in.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
February of twenty two, twenty one, right after Joe Biden
came into office, and you were like, hey, well Trump run,
I think a lot of people would have said yes,
they would have said there was a zero percent chance
he could win on MSNBC and CNN, So crazy things
can happen. There have been totally unexpected political comebacks, as
we have seen with Trump in terms of the expected
(21:19):
national opinion. I think that they are going to convince
Kamala that she should run. By the way, producer Ali
points out that she has step children. I understand some
of you are stepparents. When you become a step parent
of kids that are already in their teenage years. One
of them was already away at college, the other one
was already into well into high school, that's not an
(21:44):
insignificant role. It is not the same as raising children
from infants see two all the way to adulthood. So
I don't think that being a step mom is feeling
the huge hole in Kamala Harris soul am I going
to have every step parent in America. Is there's gonna
be a headline now Klay Travis attacks stepparents.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I just don't think that.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Kamala Harris, I'm sorry this whole Mamala thing that they
remember they call her Mamala, that it didn't work. People
do not buy into Kamala Harris as a mom. Step
moms can matter. They aren't all the wicked witch of
Cinderella fame. Some of you are great step moms. It
is not the same as raising a child from birth,
(22:28):
which I think would be more likely to have something
in Kamala Harris's world that is significant.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I want to present you all now with some of
the greatest hits of the former Democrat nominee and former
Vice President of these United States, Kamala Harris. I in
some ways think this is top three for me. This
is a flashback to the June twenty twenty one, so
this is early. This isn't turned the campaign early in
(22:58):
Biden's presidency when she was the border czar who did
not go to the BORDEU. So how does that work? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Play twenty four. You have any plans to visit the
border at some point?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
You know we are going to the border. We've been
to the border. So this whole, this whole, this whole
thing about the border. We've been to the border. We've
been to the border. You haven't been to the border,
and I haven't been to Europe, and I don't know
understand the point that you're making uh.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
No, she does. She does, but she's horrible.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Let's probably Lester whole credit because he was like, lady, lady, like,
I'm here to help you, but there's only so much
that you can do without me looking like a moron too.
You can't say we've been to the border when you
haven't been to the border.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Let's play that again before we do. Though, if you
get wrecked by Lester Holt, it's like Ned Flanders coming
in and just like pimp slapping you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I don't know how you ever recover from this.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, Lester is a very nice guy, but if
Lester Holt just wrecks you, and like if you or
I went and set for an intern, who's the most
I don't know if Lester Holt still does his show,
who is the interview subject that if you set across
from them and they just wrecked you, like you should
just have to wave goodbye to your political career?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Who is the least.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Intimidating in Like if Michael If I did an interview
with Michael Strahan, right, I think he's on Good Morning
America and obviously he's got the football background, and you
watched it and you were like, Michael Strahan just flayed
Clay Travis and I was running for political office.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I'll be like, I'll see you guys, I'm headed to
the beach. Maybe this is not for me.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You get wrecked by Lester Holt, who is the you know,
like Billy Bush just took you to the wood shed
with shed.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
In some political interview.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Back in the day, the current affairs host Pat O'Brien,
I think like there are a lot of guys where
if you got.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Wrecked by, I would say paul Abdul from American Idol
because she was always the one.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah, anybody on a mayor, although Simon Cole on
American Idol, Simon cow would light you up for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm saying Paula was the nice one. So if Paula
was mean to you, you really couldn't sing. So, yes,
that was a that was a more time. I just
love that time. Love that one so much.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Here it is Lester Hohold two by four hacksaw Jim
Duggan style on Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Do you have any plans to visit the border.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
At some point? You know we are going to the border.
We've been to the border. So this whole this whole
this whole thing about the border. We've been to the border.
We've been to the border.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
You haven't been to the border.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And I haven't been to Europe.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I think she make it on wait wait, Clay.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
She clearly was told by some staffer trying to make
this about like we the administration. Yeah, because it's impossible
to come to this conclusion that she did, that you're
gonna get away with someone like Clay, you've been to Athens, Georgia.
If I'm telling everybody we've been to Athens, Georgia, someone's
gonna look at me and be like, Buck, you haven't
(26:06):
gone to the game yet. That's weird. You have not
been to Athens, Georgia. That's very straightforward. How did she
think she would get away with this? Yeah, Look, her
answer is very strange. I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think they probably said, hey, you're speaking on behalf
of the administration, you specifically, But for her to say
and I haven't been to Europe is such a I
think that's actually what created the bigger difference, because if
she had just followed up and said, look, the administration
collectively has many different things on their plate. I will
physically be at the border at some point in time.
(26:37):
You can understand what's going on from the border by
hearing from people who work there every day. This is
not a difficult question. Again, it's Lester Holt. I think
her pivot to and I haven't been to Europe was
such an incongruous record scratch moment that it just calls
into question her ability to do simple, basic interviews. Which
(26:58):
is why tying in, I think if she were governor,
I don't think she'd be able to run for president
because I think she would have so many gaffes as
California governor, where she has to be in an executive role,
that it would be considered impossible for her. Think of
all the things that have gone to me if she if.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
She was a serious person, she would say, I'm gonnapprove
to everybody, I'm gonna win California and I'm gonna be
the governor. Right, that would be if she was a
serious person, That's what she would do. She's an unseerious person.
I don't care that she was the vice president. And
then I think, now we're going to the campaign. This
is Kamala's greatest hits. This is probably the worst moment
she had on air in the entire campaign. October eighth,
(27:42):
twenty twenty four flashback Here she's asked on the view
of all places, right, wasn't this on the view? Yes,
it was the view. If she would do anything differently
from Biden?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Play twenty five, If anything, would you have done something
differently than President Biden during the past four years?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
There is not a thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That is I think the worst possible answer. I think
the better answer would be absolutely anything than I don't
have an answer. You know, that just shows she's completely
she has not spent one minute thinking about actual governance.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I don't know that it would have worked, and I'm
sure the polling said that it would not. But I
think in order to actually have a chance to win,
Kamala Harris had to attack Joe Biden and say he
made some choices the administration made choices that I don't
think were the right ones that if I had been
in that chair, I think I might have done differently.
(28:41):
It's incredibly disloyal, It's arguably a sin that would have
rendered her relationship with Joe Biden completely sundered forever. But
I think she had to do it. In order to win.
Because if you're running on behalf of a historically unpo
popular regime and you are arguing to Sonny Hostin there,
(29:04):
that would be a good example, by the way of somebody,
if I set down for an interview with Sonny Hostin
and she just destroyed me, and you guys just sitting
back like, oh my god, Sonny is just like like,
we're gonna feel like I think she would be very
I think she'd be very aggressive with you in an interview.
You don't think she she's a former prosecutor and she's mean.
I think she would. I just don't think she's smart
enough to actually argue. She wouldn't win the arguments, but
(29:27):
she shouldn't come at you. She's not like in a
It's not like Wolf Blitzer or Lester Holt, who are
pretty laid back. I'm saying if if I went, if
I said, hey, I'm sitting down for an interview with
Sonny Houstin, and then you guys all watched a twenty
minute interview and it was actually not edited, right, I mean,
just live, and I was just getting you barraged. I
was like in the corner in a boxing match, just
(29:48):
like with my my mits up just getting pummeled by
Sonny Hostin. I think I would have to tap out.
But this, I do think you're right. I think she
had to cut bait with Biden. She wasn't willing to
do it, and I think that was sometimes you end
up with the most destructive political moments in the softest
of interviews. I think that Sunny Houstin actually inadvertently and
(30:11):
I think she felt awful about having done it. I
think she exposed the number one biggest attack angle on
Kamala Harris, which was she's just Joe Biden two point zero.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Think about this if you were if you were walking
up to somebody on the street and doing that man
on the street ask a question thing, and you go,
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going to ask them whoever It is the easiest question
I can think of, yah, because I'm trying to be nice.
And then unfortunately that turns into that you know, what
is the capital of the United States? And they say,
(30:45):
you know, Portland, Oregon. Yeah, Like you tried to help them,
but they've done enormous damage to their standing with the audience, right,
And that's what happened. I think with Kamala, she was
trying to give her a softball and she took a
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Whoops, he just got startled, Darius. Welcome back into Clay
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Speaker 3 (32:35):
He is three and a.
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Half months old, super cute. Where does he put himself
right now in the uh in the weight category for
young children because he.
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he is my little red haired sumo wrestler right now.
He's got some chunky legs on him. That is awesome.
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
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Speaker 1 (33:33):
And by the way, the pole question is up sixty
percent of you you can go vote. Sixty percent of
you agree with Buck that she will not run. That
is Kamala Harris will not run in twenty twenty eight
presidential cycle. Forty percent of you agree with me, so
(33:54):
yes she runs, forty percent, No, she will not run
sixty percent. That's according to the votes out there right now.
So you can go vote and make your voice heard
as well. Don in North Carolina wants to weigh in
on this. Don, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Don? You will apparently not?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Don?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Don is not there about Mike in Wisconsin? Is he there?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Guys? Hey, you know you're both very smart, but your
analysis of Kamala in twenty eight is too complicated and
it's flawed. And here's why. The correct analysis. Whatever is
the wrong decision for her, that's the decision that she's
going to make. She can't weigh the point counterpoint arguments
in the New York Times article, nor does she have
(34:47):
the introspects and to look at the voids in her
life or her talents or lack thereof.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Whatever is the.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Wrong decision is what she's going to decide. Look at Waltz,
look at all the decisions he made in the campaign.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think that running is the wrong decision because I
think ultimately she is a bad choice for the country,
and I think that we got lucky that she was
the VP choice. She was a heartbeat away. Biden was awful,
but I do think Kamala would have been worse. I
think she would have been a worse decision, a worse
leader even than Biden was. And Biden got almost everything
(35:27):
wrong that he did too.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think at that thank you for calling in, don.
I think Clay that the case can be made for
that based on Biden's decrepitude and ineptitude were to the
benefit of the country because it limited how much of
the agenda he could actually push forward. You know, the
fact that it was the auto pen and the advisors
doing it looked at someone like Trump. I mean, Trump
(35:51):
is a force of nature. If you had a force
of nature Kami making all kinds of decisions, that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Would be bad.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Look, I do think the all is a great one
for this reason. All we're deciding when we pick a
president is who should be the ultimate desire. And if
you are good at deciding complex issues, you're not going
to be right on everything. But if you're right seventy
percent of the time, you're a great president. If you're
right sixty percent of the time, you're a good president.
(36:20):
If you're only right twenty five percent of the time,
which maybe Biden was, you're an awful president, one of
the worst ever. So all those decisions just stack up
and eventually lead us to a result. So far, I
love about all the decisions by and large that Trump
is making. And we will see where this goes. By
the way, the Russia collusion stuff has taken over the internet.
(36:41):
You and I were talking about this off air, and
maybe we'll talk a little bit about more about this.
At this point, I think for most people the question
is are there going to be charges broad or not.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
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