October 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 kicks off with Clay and Buck diving into the fallout from the “No Kings” protest aimed at President Donald Trump. They mock the protest as ineffective and desperate, noting its aging demographic and lack of clear purpose. The hosts argue that Trump’s opponents have shifted from substantive issues to symbolic gestures, revealing the fractured state of the anti-Trump movement. They highlight Trump’s own response from Air Force One, where he dismissed the protests as “a joke” and reiterated, “I’m not a king.”
The discussion expands to the government shutdown drama, suggesting Democrats may prolong it for political leverage in upcoming elections. Clay and Buck emphasize Trump’s strong approval ratings and assert that his first year in office is among the most effective in U.S. history, despite ongoing judicial resistance. Next, the show pivots to New York City politics, analyzing new polling in the mayoral race. Prediction markets give Momani a commanding 92% chance of victory, while Curtis Sliwa’s continued presence could block Andrew Cuomo from mounting a challenge.
Clay and Buck break down a jaw-dropping heist at the Louvre, where thieves stole France’s crown jewels in broad daylight. They compare the audacious crime to an “Ocean’s 11” plot and speculate on motives, from billionaire collectors to sheer embarrassment for French security. A lively conversation on wedding costs, engagement rings, and financial priorities. The hosts urge listeners to avoid debt for weddings or rings, advocating instead for investing in a home. They share personal anecdotes, debate lab-grown diamonds versus natural stones, and offer practical advice for young couples. A caller adds insight on budgeting for weddings, reinforcing the theme of financial responsibility.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We
hope all of you had fantastic weekends.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are off and running with a brand new week.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
President Trump is in the White House right now having
a meeting with the Australian Prime Minister and taking questions
from reporters as we are beginning the program. He is
congratulations to all of the No Kings protesters. You succeeded.
(00:34):
Trump is still not a king. So everyone out there
who spent their weekend wasting a beautiful fall Saturday to protest,
you have had tremendous success. You have managed to ensure
that President Trump is not in fact a king, and
you have reiterated the fact that we won the Revolutionary
(00:56):
War in seventeen eighty three, and once and for all
the King to the curb. This is I think we
could have some fun with this right off the jump, Buck, I.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So let me give you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Remember I said, I bet that the momentum to get
the government shut down to the extent that people are
worried about the government shut down, that it would drastically
change as soon as the No King's protest was over.
There is now evidently a lot of momentum for the
government shutdown to be ended. They may drag it on
through the elections if they think they get some form
(01:32):
of benefit in Virginia, New Jersey, or New York City
over the government shutdown, but there now is momentum that there.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
May be a resolution there.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I think this was to a large extent, just
the Chuck Schumers and Hakeem Jeffries of the world, knowing
that a No King's protest was coming. If they bent
the knee to King Trump before the protest, it would
have stripped whatever modicum of energy might still have existed
in these mostly old white people protests. That looks frankly,
(02:10):
quite pathetic and bedraggled, as we said when we went
to the drove through the protest in the cold rain
in January of twenty twenty five, as Trump was preparing
to be inaugurated. So all of this feels like a
big nothing burger, so to speak. But they are arguing,
(02:31):
Oh my goodness, this is amazing. What was your takeaway?
We did Fox News together on Saturday morning, right before
the No Kings protests took off with our friend Kaylee mcananey.
But the whole thing is just it just feels desperate,
and every time they do one of these protests, they
feel less efficient and less effective and just make me
(02:54):
feel sad for the protesters more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, this just shows you where the state of things
currently lies. They are really ineffective at coming up with
something that sounds cool and has teeth behind it, so
much so that they're doing this thing that you ask
yourself immediately, what is the point of this? If there
(03:21):
was a no Purple Sky protest, you would say to yourself, right, yeah, big,
big success, We're good, like, we've got that covered. Trump
is obviously not a king. This sounds very emotionally erratic
and unstable, this whole notion of Donald Trump as a monarch.
(03:43):
They have a guy here who is constantly having to
go to court to deal with this federal judge or
that federal judge. You got the government shut down because
of what Congress is doing. There is no reason for
people to act like this. Although I really do believe
the only proper responds to the No King's protest would
be to have Trump twenty twenty eight rallies. Not that
(04:04):
I actually think Trump is going to run in twenty eight,
but it'll just really dig in more to these lunatics.
This is this is one of these times where they
can't even find what the primary issue is or they
can't come up with what they are most upset about,
so they've just created this.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It reminds me like the Women's March.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, right, yeah, the Women's March was really just code
for like abortion and also like a lot of like
feminists who hate Trump because he's clearly not you know,
Trump is not selling the feminist they are going to
be particularly fond of. And then there was a hashtag
resistance for a while, but everyone stopped using hashtags. Really,
you don't even really, I don't see them on social
media anymore. They're too annoying. People don't use them. So
(04:48):
hashtag resistance wasn't really good. Black Lives Matter was a
statement of the obvious and true that was effective in
its time because of the emotional relation that they were
able to put behind it. But it's just weak. It's sad.
This is, to me, Clay, the expansion of what we
(05:08):
saw at the anti inauguration protest, which was a bunch
of people that don't even really know why they're there.
They're just upset and they want to be around other
upset people. It was really a loser fest. Yes, and
and I and actually a lot of sad exclamation point
is what you feel when you see this. Because also
(05:29):
what's the great purpose of this mobilization? So that maybe
they can take a mid term advantage and they'll be
able to get the House and they'll probably impeach Trump
for the time be the third third time.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, Trump's not going to be president all that
much longer. They should maybe come up with why does
the rational part of the country think that the Democrat
Party is insane? And how can they stop being so crazy?
Instead of these very silly and self indulgent protests. It's
all very childish.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, and frankly, I mean you said what Joe Rogan said,
and I'll play cut nine here in a sec. But
you know what's interesting, more than anything else, is I
think and I tweeted something because I just I can't
imagine and I understand that not all of you are
(06:20):
college football diehards like I am, but I do think
it is a sign of where we are in America.
Whatever you're part of the country, that you're listening to
US or watching us in Right now is mid October
is maybe the greatest time of the year. The weather
tends to be really good almost everywhere. We're getting close
(06:43):
to Halloween. It's the fall season kind of starting to
kick off. In earnest to give up a beautiful Saturday
to go walk around and protest a democratically elected president
eleven months ago when he won the landslide election. I
just and I watched the videos because I was genuinely
(07:06):
curious who's going to show up. There is just a segment,
I would say, of people age fifty to seventy five,
primarily who Trump is just broken.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, this is boomers, a lot of boomers who are
trying to relive the night perceived glory of the sixties.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, that's really what this is.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And a lot of this stuff you see with this,
The left has a protest culture. I've been to many
of these protests to cover them or to take photos
and video of what they're doing, and they they really
feel the need the same way that you're annoying liberal
and to Thanksgiving is going to feel the need to
give you her very uninformed opinions on politics, even when
(07:52):
you just want to have some stuff in and like
go home.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
These particular these libs of the kind that we're talking about,
really think that showing up and being a quote part
of something like this is some profound statement of their
own worth and importance. And it's actually just sad they
should have gone to college. I'm not even a big
(08:18):
college football guy. Yes, if I had the choice to
go into any college football game in America or one
of these protests, it's a hundred times more fun, enjoyable,
and worthwhile to go to a college football game.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Amen, even though Alabama kicked Tennessee's ass, which is really unfortunate.
I will say, also, you hit on it. In the
nineteen sixties, the energy for protests came from young people,
and those of you who lived through the nineteen sixties
remind remember that, well, the vast majority of people at
the No King's protests were over the age of sixty five.
(08:50):
And I do think there's an element of what you're saying, Buck,
which is these people picked their team in the nineteen
sixties and they don't even realize that they now are
the opposite of the protests that they were having in
the nineteen sixties. They are now protesting in favor of
big government and in favor of all of the things
(09:13):
that censorship. Favor of censorship. Yeah, that's right, and so
that is an irony. Here's Joe Rogan pointing out that
the No Kings protesters ninety nine percent of them are losers.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
All those people that are protesting on the streets, ninety
nine percent of them are losers. The other ones work
for the fed, FBI agents and losers.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So it is the whole.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Every protest dude is FBI agents and losers.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I'm like, for me, you want me to you want
to protest, you want me to get it on the street,
first of all, to make a signet here, and then I.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Will make the sign.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
There's a guy with a van who's paid by George Soros,
and he's got stats signs that were made at Kinko's. Okay,
they're not homemade at all, and you can just just
pass those bad boys out.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Uh, it is very funny. They are complete losers and
they wasted it fall Saturday. And here's President Trump, who
was asked about it, cut one. I'm not a king.
I'm working my ass off to make our country great.
This was on Air Force one yesterday from the weekend
the New Kings Princess.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I think it's a joke.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I looked at the people if they're not representative of
this country.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And I looked at all the brand new science. I
guess it was paid for by Sarus and other radical
left lunatics. It looks like it was. We're checking it out.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
The demonstrations were very small, very ineffective, and the people
who are worked out, when you look at those people,
this are not representative of the people of our countryside
San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm not a king. I'm not a king. I worked
my ass off to make our country great. That's all
it is. I'm not a king at all.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So Trump is not a king. They were successful if
their goal was to stop a king from being in power.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Isn't this also really an admission though, that Trump politically
has defeated them. Yes, if you're concerned with a president
who has been elected twice despite all of your efforts
to stop both of those from happening, and your concern
is this idea that now he's president for life and
therefore more like a king. I think they're just they're
recognizing that they did everything they could to stop Donald
(11:19):
Trump from being president for eight years and they've failed.
So now they create this It's like don Quixote tilting
at windmills, that they create this fantasy in their minds
of well, now our great cause, Clay, is to stop
him from being president for life. Yes, he's not going
to be president for life, you losers. Okay, take a
(11:41):
calm down moment here, take a chill pill, as we
used to say in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Relax.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, they can't because that would make them think about
what they're actually doing with their life.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think it also is embodies the fact that the
Trump resistance is effectively broken everywhere but the judiciary. The
judiciary is constantly making rulings to try to take away
President Trump's power. And that's why much of the discussion
that we have about what Trump can and cannot do
is not about what the Democrat Party is trying to
(12:12):
stop him from doing. It's what is some unelected federal
district court judge doing when they're trying to say, hey,
the president doesn't have power to order this or take
that action. And it just kind of feels increasingly pathetic
and Trump according to many different polls that I have
seen out there is at right now probably his strongest
(12:36):
political position in terms of approval that he has had
during the course of his presidency. We really haven't seen
any weakening at all as we come up on the
one year anniversary of his election in twenty twenty four,
and he's having one of the most I think effective
(12:56):
presidencies first years that we've ever seen in the history
of the country. We'll take some of your calls. We'll
break all this down. I am up in New York City.
We'll talk some about the New York City mayor's race, Buck,
which is increasingly There's new polling out basically showing if
Curtis Lee was stays in the race, that mom Donnie
is going to win. If he were to drop out,
maybe Cuomo could give him a run. That's what the
(13:18):
latest polling is reflecting. But in the gambling markets out there,
the prediction markets, Mom Donnie has surged to an all
time high. There is this morning, Buck, I was doing
research and reading this morning now a ninety two percent chance.
Ninety two percent chance in the prediction markets. You can
put your own money if you disagree with it that
(13:39):
Mom Donnie is going to be elected the mayor of
New York City. We'll talk about that in the meantime.
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
For a long time since I've seen The Pink Panther
or say Ocean's eleven, a much more recent movie. But
if you were paying attention to the news over the weekend,
you might have seen that there was a stunning heist
at the Louver in Paris. Paris on Sunday. It was
(15:25):
open for business, tourists flocking in, probably getting close to
the Mona Lisa, where they realize they're in a very
packed room and it's a small painting, and it's behind
like ten inches of bulletproof, bomb proof, nuclear bomb proof glass,
and it's not as exciting as you're hoping it's going
(15:46):
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Sorry, I'm just telling you the facts, but.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
There are all these tourists jamming in there, and some
guys dressed in uh construction worker garb manage to steal
over the course of about this is nine thirty am Sunday,
France time. They got on an electric ladder mounted on
(16:11):
a truck. They got to the second floor the Apollo Gallery.
This houses Clay France's Crown Jewels, Yes, the actual Crown jewels.
And these guys used power tools broke in and a
couple of burglars broke into the most famous museum in
(16:34):
the world and still the most priceless jewels that France
has eight pieces of jewelry, a sapphire tiara necklace, earrings,
royal emerald necklace belonged to Empress Eugenie, the wife of Napoleon,
the third Clay.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
What the heck is going on here? I thought this
was a made up story. I thought to myself. Surely,
surely France could stop people from stealing things from the
louver in twenty twenty five, France could stop people from
stealing the Crown jewels, right, jewel If this movie came out.
(17:13):
I was talking about this with my wife. If this
movie came out, it sounds crazier than an Ocean's eleven.
Like I would I would not believe that they could
steal the French Crown Jewels in a movie. I would
say this is too unbelievable. How does this happen?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They took them ten minutes. How can you be.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
In the Crown Jewel room for ten minutes and they
can't catch you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Like I went?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And why I read all about this because I was
traveling up here late last night and I just I
was reading every article on my airplane flight because I
watched all.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The videos they just pulled. First of all, how can
you I got so many thoughts on this.
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Everybody, by
the way, is reacting. Everybody thinks it's as crazy as
you and I do.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It's an embarrassment to France that they could steal the
Crown jewels. If somebody could go in and steal this
sounds like a Nicholas Cage movie because it is the
Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, I would say, yeah,
we really blew it here. I would guess that's probably
(19:27):
the top thing that could be stolen in America. The
French Crown jewels just being stolen is embarrassing. As part
of all my reading about the French Crown Jewels being stolen,
I forgot, you know, they stole the Mona Lisa in
the early nineteen hundreds. So if you were France and
(19:51):
you had had previously the Mona Lisa stolen out of
the same museum one hundred years ago, don't you think
you would have said, hey, let's make sure that none
of our priceless artifacts ever get stolen again. And yet
France somehow allowed this to occur. And to your point, Buck,
(20:15):
it was the middle of the day. They just pulled
in a lift, they went in through the second floor window.
They were there for I've seen different reports seven to
ten minutes, which is a really long time to be
in the most secure museum in your country.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It should be.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
And then they left on motorcycles and now they have
no idea where they are. And you mentioned, you know,
it's hard to sell these, and I think that's probably true.
But my expert knowledge from the very high end television
show Outer Banks, one possibility would be that they just
(20:56):
melt this down for the jewels. But that doesn't seem
like such a good move because of the problems value.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You can't you can't you can't melt the jewel. These
are diamonds and emeralds, so you're not gonna melt those
down right, You got to keep them whole. Can you
you melt diamonds? I don't think you can help well,
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You melt the gold and then you isolate all of
the diamonds for the value. But out these diamonds and
these emeralds are gonna be so big, Like you're not
You're not gonna able to go on the on the
open market. You're like, hey, I just happened to have
this twenty carried emerald.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That I found.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Uh you know, I I am simultaneously impressed by the
hutzpah of the robbers because I mean, they decided we're
gonna steal the French crown jewels and they managed to
do it. I would imagine that they have been preparing
for this for some time, although the report is they
dropped one of the most valuable assets, like the one
(21:58):
of the I think or something, and so it was
left behind and damaged. But I wonder, do you think
this is some insanely wealthy person who funds this, because
what is the motivation here other than embarrassing the French government?
Because I can't imagine that it pays actually that well,
(22:19):
unless there's some super rich billionaire who just decided he
had to have the Empress's the Impress's necklace. Right, It's
like you're going on Thomas Crown affair, Like maybe there's
somebody out there who's just so bored with his life.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
He's like, you know what I'm going to do. I'm
going to steal the French crown jewels out of the louver.
So I don't know. I wonder if some Middle Eastern shake,
Well that's kind of my thought, wonders so badly to
have the French crown jewels in his in his safe,
that he would, But that's I got it run in
(22:52):
high risks here. If that's true, it's not the you know,
Middle Eastern ruler. Yeah, this the more fun thing, like
go buy yourself a European soccer team or something, you
know what I mean, do what all the other super
rich foreign guys do. I mean the crown jewels, I
don't know what you do with them.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
My thought is, if it's true that it was some
Middle Eastern shake or something that says, hey, go get
the the Empress Josephines you know necklace. This is kind
of the Middle Eastern shake equivalent of when Kobe bought
his wife the twelve million dollar ring after he got
caught cheating on her, like one of those Middle Eastern
cheeks did something really bad, and he's like, She's like
(23:33):
the only way I'll stay with you is if you
get me the Empress Josephine's necklace. And he's like, all right,
I guess we got to get the Impress Josephine's necklace, right,
Like do you remember Kobe when he got caught actually
was the woman accused him of raping her, yes, right
of rape, and his wife stayed with him after the
rape accusation, but they had a press conference and she
(23:57):
showed up with a diamond that was like twenty carrots,
like twenty somebody, look up how big the diamond?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It was like four carrots. Clay, I don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I think it was like twenty carrots, is like as
like a football. I think she basically showed up with
a with a flashlight sized diamond. I mean, like it
blinded everyone at the press conference. They were like, why
did you decide to stay with Kobe? And she like
raised her hand and four people lost their eyesight when
they caught the reflection from the diamond.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Eight It was.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Eight, so we kind of split the difference between us.
I said four, you said twenty is eight. Twenty carrot
ring would be like a baseball eight carrot ring is
a ridiculous ring. And this was pre all the fake diamonds, right,
like the diamond industry. Hold on a second, they're not
fake diamonds you're talking about. Necessarily, there are such things
(24:47):
as fake diamonds. You're talking about lab direct and I
know some people in the jewel business, and they're real diamonds.
They're just made under laboratory conditions. Oh yeah, much less expense.
Basically natural diamonds, and no one's hands get chopped off
in Africa by the warlords who are trying to mind them,
(25:08):
you know, the blood diamond stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, it's basically destroyed the diamond industry because they're able
to produce the synthetic diamonds. I think is the technical
term that instead of fake that people to a large
extent can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's your lab. I believe lab dimon is synthetic is
at a right ord too.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I don't know, by the way, until it's probably accurate,
But I'm just saying that they're usually lab diamonds.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Is how Lab grown diamonds.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I think I remember this from when I was buying
carry her engagement ring and people were I did not
go LAB.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I probably should have gone Lab because that was.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I told her this the most expensive thing I ever
bought in my life ever, because I didn't own a home.
Was was my wife's engagement room.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, this is also where you didn't get married till
after you already made money. See, I didn't have any money,
I don't think. Uh. By the way, Kobe's ring was
valued at four million dollars twenty years ago, so this
is probably close to a ten million dollar ring in
modern you know, the way that Biden inflation has gone.
(26:08):
I didn't have much money when I got engaged. In fact,
I think I had. I certainly had a negative next war,
a negative net worth and when I got engaged, so
it was a lot of money to meet, but it
wasn't a lot of money in the larger context. You,
on the other hand, you get married, you're already you
you had to you had to produce a good ring
because you got real money. Now, so they do this
(26:29):
thing of three months, so that salary that's cratl. She's insane,
but guys. All right, I'm gonna tell you some right,
for all the guys, we.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Don't have a lot of unmarried guys listening who are
still want to get married. We have, we have some,
but you know, I think a lot we we specialize
our audience is overwhelmingly gonna be people who are married
or have been married, right, I think that's true. We
don't have a lot of guys in their twenties and
thirties in particular, who are like looking to get married.
But for any of you out there, we'll tell you
a few things. Do not go into debt for uh,
(26:59):
for diamond for vacations or for anything that that that.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You know, how about weddings? Do not go in debt
for weddings or rings.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
This is the next thing I was gonna say, right
because you brought up like, yeah, I'd already had I'd achieved,
you know, a little bit of professional success when Kerry
and I got married and and we I mean, I'll
tell you, like, our wedding costs less than it basically
costs like the national average, but we're doing it in
New York City and Miami Beach costs less than a
(27:30):
third of what the average wedding would cost because I
don't understand, you know, in those places, because you know,
why are people spending all this money on this stuff?
I think this is crazy, the pressure you get. You know,
you shouldn't have to get Napoleon's Empress Josephine Crown jewels
for a lady to love you.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You know what I mean? This is come on now, No,
it's totally true.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Look, I would tell everybody out there, and I know
there's a lot of dads and moms nodding along right now,
I would. I would encourage you have way less of
a wedding, way less of a ring, and use money
to try and buy a place, like somewhere to live
for you. Put that into the house fund instead. I'm
(28:11):
gonna tell my kids this. I don't even know what
the rules are now. I've got three boys. It used
to be the paying You're not paying for any wedding.
By the way, technically I'm paying for all the weddings.
I bet that's probably. That's probably, that's probably I'm gonna
end up paying for a lot of the weddings. But
I'm telling my boys, hey, you should They're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
To your new house in thirty A and be like,
you know what, uh, Clay, I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Uh, I'm the father of the bride here, but I'm
gonna let you pay for the wedding. Buddy.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I think I think I can see Mexico from here. Yeah,
I think, yeah, you can almost see Mexico. You get
up there pretty high. You know what I've learned, buck
rooftop pool there, the bugs don't get that high. It's
a problem I didn't know, Like the the bugs get
in the pool when you're down low. The higher up
in the sky you go, the bugs bugs don't fly
(28:57):
that high. But it's something that I've learned. There's no
bugs in the pool high. Like if you got a
high level pool, there's no bugs. It's like everything gets better.
But I'm gonna end up paying. But I'm going to
tell my kids now I've already talked to him. Hey,
weddings are great, it's fun to celebrate them, but I
will I would rather help give you the money that
I would spend on the wedding to be in part
(29:20):
of your house fund, which actually benefits you and as
a good investment. Then just throw a crazy, extravagant wedding which,
by the way, just to be fair, a lot of
weddings don't last. All the marriages don't last that long.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
All right, Well, let's just say it. Imagine if you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Were a dad and a mom and you spend one
hundred k on a wedding and two years later your
kids are getting divorced. I would want to refund on
my hundred k. I K.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I was a plus one to a very extravagant wedding
in Long Island that lasted They were married six months.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So I what do you think the wedding cost three grand?
Probably so, Matt. I mean, this is insane.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Imagine that you and and not even for the people
who throw it on. I think you should have to
return the gifts and get your money back. You only
last six months. I mean whatever wedding register you got, like,
why why should you not get your money back on
the gift too?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
But I'll just tell you for all that. For the
guys out there, if you if you give the ring
and you get any sense or you know, you say
William Barry me, you get any sense that the ring
itself is some kind of issue, and or you here
via the grapevine that like the ring like the answer
is a yes, but the ring is disappointing. Don't do it, boys,
(30:35):
you need to do it. Run it's not good.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
It really Yeah. You need to know, you need to know.
And I wonder if some of the ladies are gonna
wigh on this one.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
They know, they know we've we've got We've got a
lot of wise ladies who listen in here and they know.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I feel the same way on the ring. Would you
rather have an expensive ring or a husband who is
going to be thinking about the long range future here
and he's trying to think of a place to buy,
he wants to start a house fund. I've said this before.
I do think it's funny for girls out there, if
you got daughters, if you got granddaughters. Knowing a guy's
(31:11):
credit rating, I think is almost more valuable than anything
else I'm talking about. If you're getting married to a
guy who's twenty eight or thirty two or thirty four,
you know, in that range, does he have a decent
credit rating? That's where that's what I would want to know.
The job matters, but also is he capable of understanding
basic finance such that his credit rating is going to
be able to help get you a mortgage. That's what
(31:34):
I'd want to know. If I was a chick, I'd
be like, Okay, it's great. You know you're six foot,
you may got a decent s out. What's your credit rating?
Clay is what we would call a hopeless romantic. There
you go, He's like, hey, baby, what's your credit rating?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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the Towers Foundation. Ken in Michigan wants to talk about
(33:27):
wedding stuff. Ken By all means, sir.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Hey love listening to you guys. When my two daughters
have got married, when they were planning their wedding, my
wife and I sat down with them and our potential
son in law and negotiated a fair, a nice but
fair wedding cost. And when we got done, I said, Okay,
you're gonna get half the money up front, You'll get
the other half on your wedding day, and anything that's
(33:54):
left over you can keep. And boy did they change
their tune and start cutting back on costs, and they
kept them balanced.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
For great advice. I love this. I love this advice.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I mean, if you got rational kids that are getting
married out there, if you're the kid that is listening
to us right now, who is going to get married
one day, financial issues gonna sound like an old man now.
Often derail marriage is more than almost anything, right. Couples
fight over money. There's very strong chance that you and
(34:24):
your spouse may have different standards of expenses or understanding
of how money should be allocated, and so starting off
with something that is a common goal, being able to
build a home and not starting off in debt.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I just the choices that people make. Can you imagine
Bud getting married and owing fifty K to help pay
off your wedding. I would were the guys, we're here
to help you out with this not worth it? You'd
have a not my actual wedding we had twenty five people. Yeah,
my actual wedding. We had twenty five people. Basically, I
think that was the number. Carry my correctness. She would
(35:01):
know better than it was something like that. And we
loved it. It was perfect. It ever had a great time.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So you know, it was in the church, it was
our families and that was it and that was all
we needed.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Now, we threw a big party.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But when you're just throwing a party without all the
wedding stuff, you know, Clay, you came to that. Yeah,
that's We had one hundred and eighty people at a party,
but the expense wasn't that much because it was.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
It was a three hour party. That's right.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
It's not the thing with weddings is you get into
all this other stuff and it gets all uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They play up on everybody's insecurity by saying, well, you
could choose not to do this, but most people do,
you know. And look, if you are fortunate enough to
have the money as a dad or mom and you
want to throw a big party, that's fine. You can
spend money however you want it exactly anyone who has
the money to burn. We're not telling you what to
do with that. I'm just saying it's not worth it
to go into debt, yes, which people do, which is bonkers.
(35:48):
It's not going to debt for a vacation.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
How do you enjoy your vacation when you're running up
a twenty thousand dollars credit.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Card debt on it? It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's nuts. And again I would echo what Buck said.
If the girl is gonna be upset about the size.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Of the ring, you need to run in run other directions.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Not gonna get It's not gonna get better, guys, it's
not gonna get better.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And by the way, maybe you end up having success
in life and you want to give your wife a
bigger ring somewhere down as a testament to the success
you've had together.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I think that's a cool idea.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
But I have a deal with Carrie because you know
she she quit her job to take care of speed
and to uh, you know, run the household. I can
get her gifts and things for Christmas, like you know,
things like we're get a little jewelry and.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
But she's like, well, if I get you a gift,
isn't it just with your money? And I'm like, yes,
that's why. Don't do it. Just keep being a great wife,
and I mean it did you know, don't don't get
me a Rolex.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I don't need a Rolex. I don't even want to
wear a fancy watch. I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I only shop at Costco, so I don't even know
what i'd watch.
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We
hope all of you had fantastic weekends.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are off and running with a brand new week.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
President Trump is in the White House right now having
a meeting with the Australian Prime Minister and taking questions
from reporters as we are beginning the program. He is
congratulations to all of the No Kings protesters. You succeeded.
(00:34):
Trump is still not a king. So everyone out there
who spent their weekend wasting a beautiful fall Saturday to protest,
you have had tremendous success. You have managed to ensure
that President Trump is not in fact a king, and
you have reiterated the fact that we won the Revolutionary
(00:56):
War in seventeen eighty three, and once and for all
the King to the curb. This is I think we
could have some fun with this right off the jump, Buck, I.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So let me give you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Remember I said, I bet that the momentum to get
the government shut down to the extent that people are
worried about the government shut down, that it would drastically
change as soon as the No King's protest was over.
There is now evidently a lot of momentum for the
government shutdown to be ended. They may drag it on
through the elections if they think they get some form
(01:32):
of benefit in Virginia, New Jersey, or New York City
over the government shutdown, but there now is momentum that there.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
May be a resolution there.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I think this was to a large extent, just
the Chuck Schumers and Hakeem Jeffries of the world, knowing
that a No King's protest was coming. If they bent
the knee to King Trump before the protest, it would
have stripped whatever modicum of energy might still have existed
in these mostly old white people protests. That looks frankly,
(02:10):
quite pathetic and bedraggled, as we said when we went
to the drove through the protest in the cold rain
in January of twenty twenty five, as Trump was preparing
to be inaugurated. So all of this feels like a
big nothing burger, so to speak. But they are arguing,
(02:31):
Oh my goodness, this is amazing. What was your takeaway?
We did Fox News together on Saturday morning, right before
the No Kings protests took off with our friend Kaylee mcananey.
But the whole thing is just it just feels desperate,
and every time they do one of these protests, they
feel less efficient and less effective and just make me
(02:54):
feel sad for the protesters more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, this just shows you where the state of things
currently lies. They are really ineffective at coming up with
something that sounds cool and has teeth behind it, so
much so that they're doing this thing that you ask
yourself immediately, what is the point of this? If there
(03:21):
was a no Purple Sky protest, you would say to yourself, right, yeah, big,
big success, We're good, like, we've got that covered. Trump
is obviously not a king. This sounds very emotionally erratic
and unstable, this whole notion of Donald Trump as a monarch.
(03:43):
They have a guy here who is constantly having to
go to court to deal with this federal judge or
that federal judge. You got the government shut down because
of what Congress is doing. There is no reason for
people to act like this. Although I really do believe
the only proper responds to the No King's protest would
be to have Trump twenty twenty eight rallies. Not that
(04:04):
I actually think Trump is going to run in twenty eight,
but it'll just really dig in more to these lunatics.
This is this is one of these times where they
can't even find what the primary issue is or they
can't come up with what they are most upset about,
so they've just created this.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It reminds me like the Women's March.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, right, yeah, the Women's March was really just code
for like abortion and also like a lot of like
feminists who hate Trump because he's clearly not you know,
Trump is not selling the feminist they are going to
be particularly fond of. And then there was a hashtag
resistance for a while, but everyone stopped using hashtags. Really,
you don't even really, I don't see them on social
media anymore. They're too annoying. People don't use them. So
(04:48):
hashtag resistance wasn't really good. Black Lives Matter was a
statement of the obvious and true that was effective in
its time because of the emotional relation that they were
able to put behind it. But it's just weak. It's sad.
This is, to me, Clay, the expansion of what we
(05:08):
saw at the anti inauguration protest, which was a bunch
of people that don't even really know why they're there.
They're just upset and they want to be around other
upset people. It was really a loser fest. Yes, and
and I and actually a lot of sad exclamation point
is what you feel when you see this. Because also
(05:29):
what's the great purpose of this mobilization? So that maybe
they can take a mid term advantage and they'll be
able to get the House and they'll probably impeach Trump
for the time be the third third time.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, Trump's not going to be president all that
much longer. They should maybe come up with why does
the rational part of the country think that the Democrat
Party is insane? And how can they stop being so crazy?
Instead of these very silly and self indulgent protests. It's
all very childish.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, and frankly, I mean you said what Joe Rogan said,
and I'll play cut nine here in a sec. But
you know what's interesting, more than anything else, is I
think and I tweeted something because I just I can't
imagine and I understand that not all of you are
(06:20):
college football diehards like I am, but I do think
it is a sign of where we are in America.
Whatever you're part of the country, that you're listening to
US or watching us in Right now is mid October
is maybe the greatest time of the year. The weather
tends to be really good almost everywhere. We're getting close
(06:43):
to Halloween. It's the fall season kind of starting to
kick off. In earnest to give up a beautiful Saturday
to go walk around and protest a democratically elected president
eleven months ago when he won the landslide election. I
just and I watched the videos because I was genuinely
(07:06):
curious who's going to show up. There is just a segment,
I would say, of people age fifty to seventy five,
primarily who Trump is just broken.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, this is boomers, a lot of boomers who are
trying to relive the night perceived glory of the sixties.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, that's really what this is.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And a lot of this stuff you see with this,
The left has a protest culture. I've been to many
of these protests to cover them or to take photos
and video of what they're doing, and they they really
feel the need the same way that you're annoying liberal
and to Thanksgiving is going to feel the need to
give you her very uninformed opinions on politics, even when
(07:52):
you just want to have some stuff in and like
go home.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
These particular these libs of the kind that we're talking about,
really think that showing up and being a quote part
of something like this is some profound statement of their
own worth and importance. And it's actually just sad they
should have gone to college. I'm not even a big
(08:18):
college football guy. Yes, if I had the choice to
go into any college football game in America or one
of these protests, it's a hundred times more fun, enjoyable,
and worthwhile to go to a college football game.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Amen, even though Alabama kicked Tennessee's ass, which is really unfortunate.
I will say, also, you hit on it. In the
nineteen sixties, the energy for protests came from young people,
and those of you who lived through the nineteen sixties
remind remember that, well, the vast majority of people at
the No King's protests were over the age of sixty five.
(08:50):
And I do think there's an element of what you're saying, Buck,
which is these people picked their team in the nineteen
sixties and they don't even realize that they now are
the opposite of the protests that they were having in
the nineteen sixties. They are now protesting in favor of
big government and in favor of all of the things
(09:13):
that censorship. Favor of censorship. Yeah, that's right, and so
that is an irony. Here's Joe Rogan pointing out that
the No Kings protesters ninety nine percent of them are losers.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
All those people that are protesting on the streets, ninety
nine percent of them are losers. The other ones work
for the fed, FBI agents and losers.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So it is the whole.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Every protest dude is FBI agents and losers.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I'm like, for me, you want me to you want
to protest, you want me to get it on the street,
first of all, to make a signet here, and then I.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Will make the sign.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
There's a guy with a van who's paid by George Soros,
and he's got stats signs that were made at Kinko's. Okay,
they're not homemade at all, and you can just just
pass those bad boys out.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Uh, it is very funny. They are complete losers and
they wasted it fall Saturday. And here's President Trump, who
was asked about it, cut one. I'm not a king.
I'm working my ass off to make our country great.
This was on Air Force one yesterday from the weekend
the New Kings Princess.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I think it's a joke.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I looked at the people if they're not representative of
this country.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And I looked at all the brand new science. I
guess it was paid for by Sarus and other radical
left lunatics. It looks like it was. We're checking it out.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
The demonstrations were very small, very ineffective, and the people
who are worked out, when you look at those people,
this are not representative of the people of our countryside
San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm not a king. I'm not a king. I worked
my ass off to make our country great. That's all
it is. I'm not a king at all.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So Trump is not a king. They were successful if
their goal was to stop a king from being in power.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Isn't this also really an admission though, that Trump politically
has defeated them. Yes, if you're concerned with a president
who has been elected twice despite all of your efforts
to stop both of those from happening, and your concern
is this idea that now he's president for life and
therefore more like a king. I think they're just they're
recognizing that they did everything they could to stop Donald
(11:19):
Trump from being president for eight years and they've failed.
So now they create this It's like don Quixote tilting
at windmills, that they create this fantasy in their minds
of well, now our great cause, Clay, is to stop
him from being president for life. Yes, he's not going
to be president for life, you losers. Okay, take a
(11:41):
calm down moment here, take a chill pill, as we
used to say in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Relax.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, they can't because that would make them think about
what they're actually doing with their life.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think it also is embodies the fact that the
Trump resistance is effectively broken everywhere but the judiciary. The
judiciary is constantly making rulings to try to take away
President Trump's power. And that's why much of the discussion
that we have about what Trump can and cannot do
is not about what the Democrat Party is trying to
(12:12):
stop him from doing. It's what is some unelected federal
district court judge doing when they're trying to say, hey,
the president doesn't have power to order this or take
that action. And it just kind of feels increasingly pathetic
and Trump according to many different polls that I have
seen out there is at right now probably his strongest
(12:36):
political position in terms of approval that he has had
during the course of his presidency. We really haven't seen
any weakening at all as we come up on the
one year anniversary of his election in twenty twenty four,
and he's having one of the most I think effective
(12:56):
presidencies first years that we've ever seen in the history
of the country. We'll take some of your calls. We'll
break all this down. I am up in New York City.
We'll talk some about the New York City mayor's race, Buck,
which is increasingly There's new polling out basically showing if
Curtis Lee was stays in the race, that mom Donnie
is going to win. If he were to drop out,
maybe Cuomo could give him a run. That's what the
(13:18):
latest polling is reflecting. But in the gambling markets out there,
the prediction markets, Mom Donnie has surged to an all
time high. There is this morning, Buck, I was doing
research and reading this morning now a ninety two percent chance.
Ninety two percent chance in the prediction markets. You can
put your own money if you disagree with it that
(13:39):
Mom Donnie is going to be elected the mayor of
New York City. We'll talk about that in the meantime.
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
For a long time since I've seen The Pink Panther
or say Ocean's eleven, a much more recent movie. But
if you were paying attention to the news over the weekend,
you might have seen that there was a stunning heist
at the Louver in Paris. Paris on Sunday. It was
(15:25):
open for business, tourists flocking in, probably getting close to
the Mona Lisa, where they realize they're in a very
packed room and it's a small painting, and it's behind
like ten inches of bulletproof, bomb proof, nuclear bomb proof glass,
and it's not as exciting as you're hoping it's going
(15:46):
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Sorry, I'm just telling you the facts, but.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
There are all these tourists jamming in there, and some
guys dressed in uh construction worker garb manage to steal
over the course of about this is nine thirty am Sunday,
France time. They got on an electric ladder mounted on
(16:11):
a truck. They got to the second floor the Apollo Gallery.
This houses Clay France's Crown Jewels, Yes, the actual Crown jewels.
And these guys used power tools broke in and a
couple of burglars broke into the most famous museum in
(16:34):
the world and still the most priceless jewels that France
has eight pieces of jewelry, a sapphire tiara necklace, earrings,
royal emerald necklace belonged to Empress Eugenie, the wife of Napoleon,
the third Clay.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
What the heck is going on here? I thought this
was a made up story. I thought to myself. Surely,
surely France could stop people from stealing things from the
louver in twenty twenty five, France could stop people from
stealing the Crown jewels, right, jewel If this movie came out.
(17:13):
I was talking about this with my wife. If this
movie came out, it sounds crazier than an Ocean's eleven.
Like I would I would not believe that they could
steal the French Crown Jewels in a movie. I would
say this is too unbelievable. How does this happen?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They took them ten minutes. How can you be.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
In the Crown Jewel room for ten minutes and they
can't catch you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Like I went?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And why I read all about this because I was
traveling up here late last night and I just I
was reading every article on my airplane flight because I
watched all.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The videos they just pulled. First of all, how can
you I got so many thoughts on this.
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Everybody, by
the way, is reacting. Everybody thinks it's as crazy as
you and I do.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It's an embarrassment to France that they could steal the
Crown jewels. If somebody could go in and steal this
sounds like a Nicholas Cage movie because it is the
Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, I would say, yeah,
we really blew it here. I would guess that's probably
(19:27):
the top thing that could be stolen in America. The
French Crown jewels just being stolen is embarrassing. As part
of all my reading about the French Crown Jewels being stolen,
I forgot, you know, they stole the Mona Lisa in
the early nineteen hundreds. So if you were France and
(19:51):
you had had previously the Mona Lisa stolen out of
the same museum one hundred years ago, don't you think
you would have said, hey, let's make sure that none
of our priceless artifacts ever get stolen again. And yet
France somehow allowed this to occur. And to your point, Buck,
(20:15):
it was the middle of the day. They just pulled
in a lift, they went in through the second floor window.
They were there for I've seen different reports seven to
ten minutes, which is a really long time to be
in the most secure museum in your country.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It should be.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
And then they left on motorcycles and now they have
no idea where they are. And you mentioned, you know,
it's hard to sell these, and I think that's probably true.
But my expert knowledge from the very high end television
show Outer Banks, one possibility would be that they just
(20:56):
melt this down for the jewels. But that doesn't seem
like such a good move because of the problems value.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You can't you can't you can't melt the jewel. These
are diamonds and emeralds, so you're not gonna melt those
down right, You got to keep them whole. Can you
you melt diamonds? I don't think you can help well,
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You melt the gold and then you isolate all of
the diamonds for the value. But out these diamonds and
these emeralds are gonna be so big, Like you're not
You're not gonna able to go on the on the
open market. You're like, hey, I just happened to have
this twenty carried emerald.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That I found.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Uh you know, I I am simultaneously impressed by the
hutzpah of the robbers because I mean, they decided we're
gonna steal the French crown jewels and they managed to
do it. I would imagine that they have been preparing
for this for some time, although the report is they
dropped one of the most valuable assets, like the one
(21:58):
of the I think or something, and so it was
left behind and damaged. But I wonder, do you think
this is some insanely wealthy person who funds this, because
what is the motivation here other than embarrassing the French government?
Because I can't imagine that it pays actually that well,
(22:19):
unless there's some super rich billionaire who just decided he
had to have the Empress's the Impress's necklace. Right, It's
like you're going on Thomas Crown affair, Like maybe there's
somebody out there who's just so bored with his life.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
He's like, you know what I'm going to do. I'm
going to steal the French crown jewels out of the louver.
So I don't know. I wonder if some Middle Eastern shake,
Well that's kind of my thought, wonders so badly to
have the French crown jewels in his in his safe,
that he would, But that's I got it run in
(22:52):
high risks here. If that's true, it's not the you know,
Middle Eastern ruler. Yeah, this the more fun thing, like
go buy yourself a European soccer team or something, you
know what I mean, do what all the other super
rich foreign guys do. I mean the crown jewels, I
don't know what you do with them.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
My thought is, if it's true that it was some
Middle Eastern shake or something that says, hey, go get
the the Empress Josephines you know necklace. This is kind
of the Middle Eastern shake equivalent of when Kobe bought
his wife the twelve million dollar ring after he got
caught cheating on her, like one of those Middle Eastern
cheeks did something really bad, and he's like, She's like
(23:33):
the only way I'll stay with you is if you
get me the Empress Josephine's necklace. And he's like, all right,
I guess we got to get the Impress Josephine's necklace, right,
Like do you remember Kobe when he got caught actually
was the woman accused him of raping her, yes, right
of rape, and his wife stayed with him after the
rape accusation, but they had a press conference and she
(23:57):
showed up with a diamond that was like twenty carrots,
like twenty somebody, look up how big the diamond?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It was like four carrots. Clay, I don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I think it was like twenty carrots, is like as
like a football. I think she basically showed up with
a with a flashlight sized diamond. I mean, like it
blinded everyone at the press conference. They were like, why
did you decide to stay with Kobe? And she like
raised her hand and four people lost their eyesight when
they caught the reflection from the diamond.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Eight It was.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Eight, so we kind of split the difference between us.
I said four, you said twenty is eight. Twenty carrot
ring would be like a baseball eight carrot ring is
a ridiculous ring. And this was pre all the fake diamonds, right,
like the diamond industry. Hold on a second, they're not
fake diamonds you're talking about. Necessarily, there are such things
(24:47):
as fake diamonds. You're talking about lab direct and I
know some people in the jewel business, and they're real diamonds.
They're just made under laboratory conditions. Oh yeah, much less expense.
Basically natural diamonds, and no one's hands get chopped off
in Africa by the warlords who are trying to mind them,
(25:08):
you know, the blood diamond stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, it's basically destroyed the diamond industry because they're able
to produce the synthetic diamonds. I think is the technical
term that instead of fake that people to a large
extent can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's your lab. I believe lab dimon is synthetic is
at a right ord too.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I don't know, by the way, until it's probably accurate,
But I'm just saying that they're usually lab diamonds.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Is how Lab grown diamonds.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I think I remember this from when I was buying
carry her engagement ring and people were I did not
go LAB.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I probably should have gone Lab because that was.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I told her this the most expensive thing I ever
bought in my life ever, because I didn't own a home.
Was was my wife's engagement room.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, this is also where you didn't get married till
after you already made money. See, I didn't have any money,
I don't think. Uh. By the way, Kobe's ring was
valued at four million dollars twenty years ago, so this
is probably close to a ten million dollar ring in
modern you know, the way that Biden inflation has gone.
(26:08):
I didn't have much money when I got engaged. In fact,
I think I had. I certainly had a negative next war,
a negative net worth and when I got engaged, so
it was a lot of money to meet, but it
wasn't a lot of money in the larger context. You,
on the other hand, you get married, you're already you
you had to you had to produce a good ring
because you got real money. Now, so they do this
(26:29):
thing of three months, so that salary that's cratl. She's insane,
but guys. All right, I'm gonna tell you some right,
for all the guys, we.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Don't have a lot of unmarried guys listening who are
still want to get married. We have, we have some,
but you know, I think a lot we we specialize
our audience is overwhelmingly gonna be people who are married
or have been married, right, I think that's true. We
don't have a lot of guys in their twenties and
thirties in particular, who are like looking to get married.
But for any of you out there, we'll tell you
a few things. Do not go into debt for uh,
(26:59):
for diamond for vacations or for anything that that that.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You know, how about weddings? Do not go in debt
for weddings or rings.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
This is the next thing I was gonna say, right
because you brought up like, yeah, I'd already had I'd achieved,
you know, a little bit of professional success when Kerry
and I got married and and we I mean, I'll
tell you, like, our wedding costs less than it basically
costs like the national average, but we're doing it in
New York City and Miami Beach costs less than a
(27:30):
third of what the average wedding would cost because I
don't understand, you know, in those places, because you know,
why are people spending all this money on this stuff?
I think this is crazy, the pressure you get. You know,
you shouldn't have to get Napoleon's Empress Josephine Crown jewels
for a lady to love you.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You know what I mean? This is come on now, No,
it's totally true.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Look, I would tell everybody out there, and I know
there's a lot of dads and moms nodding along right now,
I would. I would encourage you have way less of
a wedding, way less of a ring, and use money
to try and buy a place, like somewhere to live
for you. Put that into the house fund instead. I'm
(28:11):
gonna tell my kids this. I don't even know what
the rules are now. I've got three boys. It used
to be the paying You're not paying for any wedding.
By the way, technically I'm paying for all the weddings.
I bet that's probably. That's probably, that's probably I'm gonna
end up paying for a lot of the weddings. But
I'm telling my boys, hey, you should They're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
To your new house in thirty A and be like,
you know what, uh, Clay, I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Uh, I'm the father of the bride here, but I'm
gonna let you pay for the wedding. Buddy.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I think I think I can see Mexico from here. Yeah,
I think, yeah, you can almost see Mexico. You get
up there pretty high. You know what I've learned, buck
rooftop pool there, the bugs don't get that high. It's
a problem I didn't know, Like the the bugs get
in the pool when you're down low. The higher up
in the sky you go, the bugs bugs don't fly
(28:57):
that high. But it's something that I've learned. There's no
bugs in the pool high. Like if you got a
high level pool, there's no bugs. It's like everything gets better.
But I'm gonna end up paying. But I'm going to
tell my kids now I've already talked to him. Hey,
weddings are great, it's fun to celebrate them, but I
will I would rather help give you the money that
I would spend on the wedding to be in part
(29:20):
of your house fund, which actually benefits you and as
a good investment. Then just throw a crazy, extravagant wedding which,
by the way, just to be fair, a lot of
weddings don't last. All the marriages don't last that long.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
All right, Well, let's just say it. Imagine if you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Were a dad and a mom and you spend one
hundred k on a wedding and two years later your
kids are getting divorced. I would want to refund on
my hundred k. I K.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I was a plus one to a very extravagant wedding
in Long Island that lasted They were married six months.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So I what do you think the wedding cost three grand?
Probably so, Matt. I mean, this is insane.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Imagine that you and and not even for the people
who throw it on. I think you should have to
return the gifts and get your money back. You only
last six months. I mean whatever wedding register you got, like,
why why should you not get your money back on
the gift too?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
But I'll just tell you for all that. For the
guys out there, if you if you give the ring
and you get any sense or you know, you say
William Barry me, you get any sense that the ring
itself is some kind of issue, and or you here
via the grapevine that like the ring like the answer
is a yes, but the ring is disappointing. Don't do it, boys,
(30:35):
you need to do it. Run it's not good.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
It really Yeah. You need to know, you need to know.
And I wonder if some of the ladies are gonna
wigh on this one.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
They know, they know we've we've got We've got a
lot of wise ladies who listen in here and they know.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I feel the same way on the ring. Would you
rather have an expensive ring or a husband who is
going to be thinking about the long range future here
and he's trying to think of a place to buy,
he wants to start a house fund. I've said this before.
I do think it's funny for girls out there, if
you got daughters, if you got granddaughters. Knowing a guy's
(31:11):
credit rating, I think is almost more valuable than anything
else I'm talking about. If you're getting married to a
guy who's twenty eight or thirty two or thirty four,
you know, in that range, does he have a decent
credit rating? That's where that's what I would want to know.
The job matters, but also is he capable of understanding
basic finance such that his credit rating is going to
be able to help get you a mortgage. That's what
(31:34):
I'd want to know. If I was a chick, I'd
be like, Okay, it's great. You know you're six foot,
you may got a decent s out. What's your credit rating?
Clay is what we would call a hopeless romantic. There
you go, He's like, hey, baby, what's your credit rating?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I want to know. I want to know.
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the Towers Foundation. Ken in Michigan wants to talk about
(33:27):
wedding stuff. Ken By all means, sir.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Hey love listening to you guys. When my two daughters
have got married, when they were planning their wedding, my
wife and I sat down with them and our potential
son in law and negotiated a fair, a nice but
fair wedding cost. And when we got done, I said, Okay,
you're gonna get half the money up front, You'll get
the other half on your wedding day, and anything that's
(33:54):
left over you can keep. And boy did they change
their tune and start cutting back on costs, and they
kept them balanced.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
For great advice. I love this. I love this advice.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I mean, if you got rational kids that are getting
married out there, if you're the kid that is listening
to us right now, who is going to get married
one day, financial issues gonna sound like an old man now.
Often derail marriage is more than almost anything, right. Couples
fight over money. There's very strong chance that you and
(34:24):
your spouse may have different standards of expenses or understanding
of how money should be allocated, and so starting off
with something that is a common goal, being able to
build a home and not starting off in debt.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I just the choices that people make. Can you imagine
Bud getting married and owing fifty K to help pay
off your wedding. I would were the guys, we're here
to help you out with this not worth it? You'd
have a not my actual wedding we had twenty five people. Yeah,
my actual wedding. We had twenty five people. Basically, I
think that was the number. Carry my correctness. She would
(35:01):
know better than it was something like that. And we
loved it. It was perfect. It ever had a great time.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So you know, it was in the church, it was
our families and that was it and that was all
we needed.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Now, we threw a big party.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But when you're just throwing a party without all the
wedding stuff, you know, Clay, you came to that. Yeah,
that's We had one hundred and eighty people at a party,
but the expense wasn't that much because it was.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
It was a three hour party. That's right.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
It's not the thing with weddings is you get into
all this other stuff and it gets all uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They play up on everybody's insecurity by saying, well, you
could choose not to do this, but most people do,
you know. And look, if you are fortunate enough to
have the money as a dad or mom and you
want to throw a big party, that's fine. You can
spend money however you want it exactly anyone who has
the money to burn. We're not telling you what to
do with that. I'm just saying it's not worth it
to go into debt, yes, which people do, which is bonkers.
(35:48):
It's not going to debt for a vacation.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
How do you enjoy your vacation when you're running up
a twenty thousand dollars credit.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Card debt on it? It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's nuts. And again I would echo what Buck said.
If the girl is gonna be upset about the size.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Of the ring, you need to run in run other directions.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Not gonna get It's not gonna get better, guys, it's
not gonna get better.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And by the way, maybe you end up having success
in life and you want to give your wife a
bigger ring somewhere down as a testament to the success
you've had together.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I think that's a cool idea.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
But I have a deal with Carrie because you know
she she quit her job to take care of speed
and to uh, you know, run the household. I can
get her gifts and things for Christmas, like you know,
things like we're get a little jewelry and.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
But she's like, well, if I get you a gift,
isn't it just with your money? And I'm like, yes,
that's why. Don't do it. Just keep being a great wife,
and I mean it did you know, don't don't get
me a Rolex.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I don't need a Rolex. I don't even want to
wear a fancy watch. I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I only shop at Costco, so I don't even know
what i'd watch.
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