May 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and emotionally charged discussion centered on the tragic antisemitic double murder of a young couple in Washington, D.C., and the broader implications of rising antisemitism in America. Clay and Buck open the hour with breaking news about the passage of a major bill in the House of Representatives, highlighting its narrow approval and the expected path forward in the Senate. However, the focus quickly shifts to the horrific killing of two Israeli diplomats, a crime the hosts attribute to the dangerous rhetoric and ideology spreading across college campuses and left-wing political circles under slogans like “Globalize the Intifada.” The hosts condemn the mainstream media and political figures for their silence or tepid responses, calling out Representative Ilhan Omar for refusing to comment. They draw parallels between this attack and the October 7 Hamas terrorist massacre in Israel, emphasizing the moral inversion and ignorance among younger generations regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Buck Sexton, drawing on his background in Middle East studies and the CIA, provides historical and geopolitical context, arguing that Hamas’s actions are rooted in a desire to prevent peace in the region, particularly between Israel and Saudi Arabia. The conversation also explores the broader issue of selective outrage and hypocrisy in global human rights advocacy, pointing to the lack of attention to genocides in places like South Sudan. The hosts stress the importance of educating younger Americans about the realities of terrorism, antisemitism, and the existential threats faced by Israel. Later in the hour, KY Senator Rand Paul joins the show to discuss the implications of the newly passed House bill, particularly its impact on the national debt and fiscal conservatism. Paul criticizes the bill’s projected $4–5 trillion increase to the debt ceiling and warns that Republicans are abandoning their principles by supporting unsustainable spending. He advocates for entitlement reform and a return to fiscal responsibility, warning of the long-term consequences of unchecked deficits. The hour concludes with a candid discussion about President Biden’s health, referencing revelations from a new book and raising concerns about his cognitive fitness. Senator Paul, also a physician, offers insights into prostate cancer and the complexities of medical decision-making for aging men, adding a personal and informative touch to the segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We've
got some good news and some awful news. So I
will start with the good news. Early this morning, the
big beautiful Bill passed the House of Representatives two fifteen
to to fourteen. It is now on to the United
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States Senate, where expectations are that it will pass at
some point in the next month and become the law
of the land. More flexibility in the United States Senate
because it's a little bit better of a majority fifty
three forty seven than what Mike Johnson was working with
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on a regular basis in the House of Representatives. So
all of that very very positive news that happened early
this morning. Unfortunately, an awful thing happened late last night
in our nation's capital when too young, soon to be
engaged individuals, one from Kansas, the other from Jerusalem. It's
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an awful story. The man in this relationship was planning
to propose, had already bought her a ring, and they
were shot and killed in cold antisemitic blood on the
streets of our nation's capital. And this is what globalized
the Intifada leads to this is why everyone on a
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college campus that has been moronically walking around saying globalize
the into fada. This is what they are calling for.
This is, unfortunately what happens in Israel. Quite often, a
terrorist comes up and kills someone because they happened to
be Jewish, and it felt sadly inevitable, inevitable to me
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that this would occur. But here is I want to
play the audio because there's no uncertainty about exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Here.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Here is the individual who will soon be charged with
the crime if he has not already been shouting free,
free Palestine after he murdered two Israeli diplomats on the
streets of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Here's cut too, so.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There's no uncertainty about what his motives are. This is
a chant that has been screamed loudly on college campuses
everywhere in many different American streets by people who claim
that Israel is the bad guy in the wake of
October seventh. Let me make sure that you know these individuals' names.
This is the Israeli ambassador Yekel Leiter discussing these victims
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and talking about his conversation with President Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The young man purchased the ring this week with the
intention of proposing to his girlfriend next week in Jerusalem.
They were a beautiful couple who came to enjoy an
evening in Washington's Cultural Center. On the way in this
BONDI was kind enough to hand me on the phone
and the other line was the President of the United States,
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Donald Trump, who told me that his administration is going
to do everything it can possibly do to fight and
end anti Semitism and the hatred that's being directed the
demonization and delegitimization of the state of Israel.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, Buck, you and I I don't think, sadly are surprised.
I was just about getting ready to go to bed
when the alert popped up on my phone late last night,
a little bit after midnight, and to me it felt
inevitable based on the way that the United States, many
people in the United States, on the left in particular,
but all so, there's people on the right who are
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anti Semitic. This is where I would say the left
and the right unfortunately sometimes have agreement, but it's far
more pronounced, certainly on the left wing right now anti
anti Semitism is and this to me is a natural
result of being unable to distinguish between good and evil,
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such that you then engage in evil acts yourself because
you believe you're doing something that is right and just.
And this is the importance of being able to teach
right and wrong. And unfortunately, the younger you are in
this country, the more likely you are to buy into
the idea that the Israeli state is the bad guy here.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
We recognize that. First of all, I just it's heartbreaking
to see this. And I sit here and just say
that murdering a beautiful couple like this in cold blood
outside a social event, I don't know what could be
more demonic senseless. And you know, it's interesting to me
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that the media, whenever there is a anything that they
can say how somehow involves right wing ideology, they'll speak
of something called and we've discussed it on the show
stochastic terrorism. So numerically random terrorism is effectively what it
is like if you do this enough, if you spread
this message enough, somebody will commit an active terrorism. They'll
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talk about that if they can say that this is
somehow racist right wing ideology. Meanwhile, the left is soaked
in anti Israel, anti Semitic hatred, top to bottom, day
in and day out. It's in the media, it's on campuses.
They're safe harbor given and platform given to it in
the Democrat Party. And we are just to think that
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this now happens in some kind of vacuum. You know,
this comes up Clay when we have the discussions of
they can't say that Trump is Hitler, but they oppose
violence against Trump. That doesn't really make sense, does it.
If you believe that Trump was Hitler, which is an
insane person statement, but the Democrats have said at countless
times as we know. But if you truly believed that,
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then you would want to do anything to remove that
threat from the United States. And of course we saw
that two people tried in the election cycle, and one
put a bullet through Trump's ear. If you truly believe
that there is a genocide going on in Gaza, first
of all, you can't read or you can't process information,
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because this wouldn't be a long and drawn out war.
If it was a genocide, Israel could just flatten all
of Gaza in a matter of days, no offens or butts,
and that would be the end. Of it. They could
kill every man, women and child in Gaza if they
chose to do so. The reason the war is taking
so long as first and foremost Gaza, I mean Hamas,
and the Gazins refuse to release civilian hostages that were
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taken at the start of this war in the horrible
October seventh terrorist massacre. So to me, there is such
an inversion of morality that goes on here. And I
point this out as well, Clay, because you know you
said this yesterday. I've been advancing this point on the
show as much as I can because I started out
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in Middle East studies in my life back in college
working the Arab Israeli working on the Arab Israeli issue.
My first ever real internship was for Dennis Ross, the
US ambassador under Clinton for the Arab Israeli peace Accords.
So I've been following this for a very long time
and I'm aware of a lot of the different dynamics.
But in this country it has turned into a shrill
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left wing rallying cry, absent facts and just full of hatred,
and that results in things like we've seen on the campuses,
which is which is completely disgusting. And then can even
result in things like this. I would want to ask
these individuals who are on the campuses. I want to
ask the people who are always talking about the genocide
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and Gaza, where are they on the genocide? And I
know it sounds like a what about isn't to some
people they want to make that claim, Clay, where's the
talk about the genocide going on in South Sudan? Or
is it every Do they care about every human life
and depression? Do they care about hospitals being bombed? How
many of them even know that the hospitals just bombed
in South Sudan. They have no idea. They don't pay
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any attention because that is a fight among a lot
of different ethnic groups, but Arab Muslims, Black Africans, there's
no white people involved. And when there's no white people involved,
even though four hundred thousand people have died, there have
been mass rapes, there has been ethnic cleansing. I mean,
the most horrific stuff imaginable. It's been going on for
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over a decade, I might add. And yet none of
the people that are walking around with cafaas on talking
about how every life matters and stop genocide. You don't
know a damn thing about it. You know why, because
they're costplaying as revolutionaries and they're just feeding in to
this anti white narrative that they think somehow explains the
Israel Hamas war. And that is how stupid they are,
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and that is how malevolent their ideology is, and it
results in things like we saw last night. I think
all that's very well said.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I know there are maybe some people out there with kids'
grandkids that don't get this. Let me give you two
things that I think are very simple that you can
share with them and ask them to think about. One
is And I was over in December, and I don't
remember who told me this, but I've heard it repeated since.
But the first time I heard it was in Israel.
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And it is this. If Israel put down its weapons,
it wouldn't exist tomorrow. If every other country in the
Middle East that hates Israel put down its weapons, there
would be peace in the Middle East. Israel is not
the progressor. Israel is trying to protect itself and most
of its foes want Israel, as you saw in October seventh,
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waped the Jewish people in Israel wiped off the face
of the earth. That's what from the river to the
sea means. So that's an easy one that I think
is that everybody can grasp. And two is another analogy
we have made, and I think it's a good one
because people sometimes say, Okay, well, why do you care?
How do you decide who's good who's bad. Well, I
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was there in all the kibbutz's where all the innocent
people were murdered when Hamas decided to come into Israel
and rape and pillage and murder across a wide expanse.
But I want you to think about this when Biden
had our southern border wide open, or even now, if
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somehow it were to occur, if a Mexican terror organization
came across our southern border and killed twelve hundred Americans
and kidnapped hundreds of them and went back into Mexico
and claimed that they shouldn't be attacked because women and
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children might be harmed, what would we do to the
part of Mexico that the terrorists were in.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You would say, Ia, what do you think we would
do if they killed twelve hundred Americans went back across
their border and had hundreds of hostages.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, I joined the CIA because of nine to eleven,
So we could even use a more direct historical analogy here.
I think that October seventh was Israel's nine to eleven. Yeah,
and I think very clearly, and as a matter of percentages,
I think it might even be higher than nine to eleven. Oh,
infinitely infinitely higher because the Israeli population so much smaller.
So when you factor this out, yeah, after nine to eleven,
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you know, I will add, By the way, there's actually
a pretty good hunt for bin Laden on Netflix if
anyone's curious to look for something that's it's pretty well done.
My old friend Gary Burnson, who led the Jawbreaker team
is on it. Mike Morrell, whom I work for in
the CIA, who's a Lib and a Hillary guy. But
you know, there's some people that were there doing the
doing the work, and they're pretty good. But Clay people,
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I think, I think sometimes leave this part out of
our response. After nine eleven, we said to the Taliban, Okay,
you guys have him, you hand him over or else.
They chose or else. Yeah, we had no choice. There
is no choice because the choice to not do anything
would be the choice to let evil win. And Hama
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and Israel has the same choice after October seventh. And
this is the you know, this is where I get
very frustrated because there are people out there who think
themselves clever because somehow the only thing they ever have
a problem with is a response to terrorism. Yeah, it's
always the response isn't good enough. It's a little bit
like arguing with somebody who's wrong and just says I
don't like your tone. I don't like your tone. Well,
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how are we going to is it? Who's right is
what matters? Okay, you can complain about my tone all day.
And amaspought this war upon themselves. They could have ended
this war after October seventh, for months and months and months,
given the hostages back and had an unconditional surrender. They
chose not to do it. They don't just hold Israeli's hostage,
They hold themselves hostage. That's the problem. They've decided we
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would rather light ourselves on fire as a people in
Gaza than join civilization and stop this madness.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Wall Street Journal last weekend had a peace that I
thought was important.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I shared it.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
People say, why did Hamas do it? Well, certainly they're
horrible anti Semites, right, they want Israel wiped off and
the Jewish people wiped off the planet. But in particular,
the timing of October seventh seems to have been directly
tied to fear that Saudi Arabia was going to normalize
relations with Israel and that would lead to more peace
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in the Middle East, and they didn't want that to
happen because they thought that would undercut their political posture.
So the reason they stay attacked on October seven was
they were trying to stop peace from spreading even more
substantially in the Middle East. They're evil, and I think
you saw the motivation and any of you out there
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with kids or grandkids walking around saying globalize the Intifada,
I think that they are so poorly educated that they
do not even understand how much of morons they truly are. Look,
we're gonna talk more about this. We're gonna go to
Israel and talk with Yel Extein, she works at the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews about what the reaction
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is in Israel, which I'm sure is widely discussed and
was crushing to so many people over there to hear
that two young, innocent people who were soon to be
engaged were murdered in cold blood for being Jewish. This
is why, you know, our friend Carol Mark Whiz tweeted
that Jews need to go buy as many guns as
they can. And she in particular, she's on a plane,
or she'd be with us today. Maybe we can get
her on tomorrow. But she in particular Buck you know this,
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went and taught herself how to fire a gun after
October seventh. And there are a lot of women out
there and popular I took her out and taught her
how to fire guns. We took her out for a
range day so that she knew how to defend herself.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So many people are like this.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean, I talked about when I was in Israel,
I met a woman who's working with the IFCJ. Young
mom walks around with a handgun on her hip everywhere
she goes. Now, she was in the hospital having just
delivered a baby on October seventh, and her mom was
killed on October seventh. Her brothers had to go rescue her,
her husband who was holding the butcher knife right by
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the door to try to stab people if they came
in to kill their infant children. I mean, this is
the reality of what people in Israel deal with every
day and unfortunately globalize, the Intifada has spread here. If
you want to educate, you want people to learn more,
trust me, just go to IFCJ dot org. You can
learn click there so you can talk to the kids
and grandkids in your family. Please just trust me. IFCJ
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dot org go learn what is going on, what Israel
is having to deal with and trying to defend itself
and it's very existence. IFCJ dot org is that website.
Click to learn tab IFCJ dot org. All right, welcome
back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We've been talking to you about this terrible, this heinous
double assassination of to a young Jewish couple about to
get engaged at in our nation's capital last night, and
this is should be the easiest thing for anyone in
American politics to condemn. Let's check in on Ilhan Omar
for a second member of the United States Congress. Play
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cut seven.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Congresswoman, can I give your reaction to the shooting that
happened DC last night. I'm going to go for now.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm going to go for now. Let me let me
just say something so we're all very clear on this.
We all know, right, that Ilhan Omar represents the constituency
a law. I mean, if you did a poll, I'm
telling you a large percentage of them support what happened
last night. They say that that's actually what should happen.
That's the truth. That is the truth. There are people
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who vote for ilan Omar. There are people who vote
for some of these radical left, anti Israeli members of
Congress who think that violence is justified. I mean they
say it on college campuses, right, Why wouldn't this extend
to other people across the country.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, this is the definition of globalized the Intifada.
I mean, this is what happens in Israel sadly, on
a regular basis. A terrorist comes up and kills someone
because they're Jewish. This happens all the time. It's really
the only crime they have in Israel. And we don't
see this thing happen thankfully, very often here. But it's inevitable.
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I mean, look, George Washington University, my alma mater, said
Death of the Martyrs on the library and had one
of the most long lasting campus takeovers of any university
in the country. They put a CAFAA on George Washington
in the center of the campus. It's sadly not a
surprise to me. I think that Washington, DC is probably
one of the most anti Semitic cities in America. And
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in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. We head up to
Capitol Hill now to be joined by Senator Rand Paul
of Kentucky. Senator, we saw the big beautiful bill pass
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by one vote in the House to fifteen to two fourteen.
I believe it is now onto the United States Senate.
What happens there now? What should we know about, what
the process is in the Senate? What you want to see?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But you know, there's some good and some bad to
the bill. The good is the tax cuts. You know,
I've supported these in twenty seventeen. Some of them will
be making permanent and some of them will be adding
to I'm very supportive of that. I'm supportive of spending cuts.
I think the spending cuts are wimpy, anemic, and unfortunately
it won't do much to change the course of the
country towards a more fiscal physically responsible path. The thing
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I'll really object to, though, and that prevents me from
supporting it at this point, is that it adds either
four or five trillion, depending on which version you look
at to the debt ceiling. This will be an historic
increase in the debt ceiling. We've never added this much
at one time, and frankly concern have never voted to
these things. Typically they've been passed by Democrats and sort
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of the big government Republicans are forced to get together.
I always called it a day of shame. They had
to go down on the well and admit that there's
big spending plans had caused the debt to rise alarmingly.
But now it's conservatives voting for it. And my fear
is is that this will be the end of fiscal
conservatism here and in the country because there's very few
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I mean, there were one or two in the House
that oppose this because the debt grows too much. Right now,
it's just me in the Senate, and it's not because
I opposed Donald Trump or not because I opposed that
the tax cuts or any of the spending cuts. But
I just don't think we should be the party that
raises the debt ceiling five trillion dollars. You know, come September,
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the deficit this year is going to be about two
point two trillion. That's all Republican now, because Republicans have
voted for these spending levels, they're anticipating two point eight
to three trillion next year. That's just not conservative and
somebody's got to be left in the country wholes break
truth to power that we'll say, basically, we're supposed to
be the Conservative Party.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Senator Paul Are we at a point where we just
need to be honest as a country that if there
is no political will to change alter whatever somebody wants
to say about it, social Security, medicare, medicaid, maybe really
just medicare that in that equation, and defense spending is
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not going to get cut, if anything, that's going to
go up. We're not going to tackle the debt, right,
I mean, is that mathematically what we are stuck with?
Is there some other way? I just worry that this
is you know, I remember when you came in on
the tea party wave. We've been talking about this issue
for a long time. There's a bit of fatigue over guys.
The debt bomb is ticking. The debt bomb is ticking,
and everyone goes, oh my gosh, let's do something about it.
(21:51):
You go, okay, maybe we need to reform entitlements. They go,
you're out of office.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, well, you know, I've been pretty honest with it,
you know, since I was elected. When I was running
for the office the first time I said, those securities,
running out of money, those Medicare, and we're moving longer.
We're going to have to gradually raise the age of eligibility.
And I would laughingly say, you know, people would say,
do you hate old people? And I say, no, I
aspire a vehicle person. You know, I'm on my way.
I you know, I want to collect my Social Security,
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my Medicare. And so in order to save these systems,
they have to be reformed. But when we take them
off the table and we present deficits as big as
the Biden deficits are bigger, we're just as guilty, and
we no longer can point to them as all these
are the Biden deficits or the Biden inflation that came
from the deficits. We'll be looking in the mirror because
we'll have the responsibility now. And I just I think
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there still needs to be a conservative resistance against big
spending and against debt. And it is important. Our interest
rates about a trillion dollars and our interest payments about
a trillion dollars a year. But interest rates are still
edging up. You know, the interest rate for thirty years
at five percent. So we are gradually turning over into
a higher interest rate, and it's going to crowd out
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all spending. At some point in time, the deficit for
this year will equal to budget. Congress votes on a
discretionary budget of about one point eight to two trillion dollars.
That's equal to the deficit, which means one hundred percent
of the budget we vote on will be borrowed this year.
So this should not be about allegiance to Donald Trump.
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I like the President, I voted for him, I support him,
and I'm with him on so many things, his cabinet,
Maha movement, all that stuff. But it doesn't mean we
should quit being physically conservative and asking the difficult questions
about are we full big debt? Are we not for it?
Are we different than the Democrats when it comes to
deficit spending? And right now we're looking kind of like
the Democrats as far as a result.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
We're talking to Senator ram Paul. I want to build
on what Buck said because I do think it's interesting
the Tea Party movement started. You can correct me if
I'm wrong, because I may be a little bit off,
but I think I'm right. When under Obama the national
debt approach ten trillion since that time, we have nearly
quadrupled the national debt because it's rapidly approaching forty trillion,
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and as you just laid out, you know we're headed
for fifty trillion, sixty trillion, and it just feels like
Buck and I talk about this sometimes on the program
because we see the responses when we bring it up.
You say, hey, this is unsustainable. People say, well, you
should just cut cost. The problem is if you look
at the basic math of what medicare cost of, what
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Social Security costs, what the debt costs, and I don't
think most people want to replace national defense, even though
now we're spending more money servicing the debt on interest
than we are in national defense. That eliminates about eighty
six percent issh of the overall budget. Even if you
cut every other part of the budget, you're still going to,
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as you just laid out, end up in a deficits situation.
To me, the only possible solution is you have to
address entitlement spending in a significant way.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And you know this better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It seems like ninety five percent of politicians just say, hey,
I got to get elected in two years, Hey I
got to get elected in four years, six years, whatever
it is, we'll just kick the can down the road
and pretend that the looming debt crisis doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well, you know, one of the reasons we've put forward
the Penny Plan budget to balance the budget is to
illustrate that it can be done, and it can be
done by cutting only a few percentage points. But you
have to cut a few percentage points of everything. So
when I started proposing this ten years ago, spending wasn't
nearly as bad, but it was it was headed in
the wrong direction. Ten years ago, you could free spending,
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just don't increase spending. Spend the same amount each year
for five years, and the budget would balance. Then a
couple of years later we called it the Penny plan.
You had to cut one percent across the board of
everything on budget to balance the budget, to balance the
annual budget. Then it became the two penny plan. Then
COVID hit and it became the six penny plan. And
so that's about what we are right now. You'd have
to cut it six percent across the board. But I
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tell people, look at it this way. If you still
had ninety four percent, Let's say your big deal is
your brother and grandmother had Alzheimer's disease. You want the
government to do research. So they come into me. They
all wear purple ribbons, and I have great deal of sympathy.
I have family members who have had and I say
to them, well, you know, we're short of money, and
you got one hundred million last year, could you live
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with ninety four million this year? And every one of
them they're tearful thinking about their loved ones. They're talking
about something very personal to them, and they look at
me and they say, well, sure, if the country's short
of money, we could do with ninety four million. And
see that would be the same truth of everybody. Everybody
would just have to do with ninety four dollars out
of one hundred, and it would be less about eliminating
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anything to anyone, but cutting everybody the six percent and
just saying we've got to do it. You do it.
For a couple of years, we balanced, the country begins
to grow, receipts grow again, and actually governments many could
gradually go up after a while. But I don't know.
I'm not afraid to do it, and I don't know
that I many less popular than I was when I ran.
You know, I got sixty two percent of the vote
last time in a state that has the significant population
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that's dependent on government, and I have great sympathy for them,
but I want them all to do better. And I say,
I don't want to cut you off Medicaid, don't want
to get you private health insurance with the private job
and better payment. And so I don't know. I think
people do understand that if you're sincere. I think a
lot of the people that are Weasily and Waffley and
never really commit one way or the other and then
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go home and tell everybody there for a balanced budget.
This is a problem with Republicans. It's going to They're
going to lose face, and they're going to lose any
semblance of sincerity because they're going to go home to
the Chamber of Commerce and to the Roadary and talk
about balance budgets next year or this summer. And yet
the deficit's going to be two point two trillion, and
all of it is responsible to Republicans. Now, this is
(27:49):
no longer the Biden deficit. This will be the GOP deficit.
And in the next two years are going to borrow
five trillion dollars somebody's got to stand up and shout no.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, at least down the line, if this doesn't stop,
you'll be able to look at all of us when
we're facing a true financial crisis and say, I did
tell you guys this is coming. So I know that
won that will be cold comfort. But you're very much
on the record with this one. I worry that American
politics have unfortunately gotten on this unstoppable amusement park ride
(28:20):
and we're going to run out of track. But anyway,
I also wanted to ask you something, well, actually, no,
this is very serious too. I was gonna say, go
to a lighter direction, but no, not really what you're
finding about, or what we're all finding out about, really
the new version of how the Democrats viewed Biden during
the election, this book that's come out, all of this stuff.
(28:44):
Where do you come I mean, as a doctor as
well as somebody who's in politics at a high level.
I mean, nobody's really supposed to believe that your Democrat
colleagues in the Senate didn't know Biden wasn't all there,
right or what?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No, this is really shocking. You're going to ever can
you believe it that Biden was actually mentally impaired, and
no one knew about it until wrote his book. This
is just shocking. I mean, what great reporting Tapper has
revealed that President Biden was missing a step or two. No,
I mean everybody saw it from miles away. The shuffling gate,
(29:17):
the absence stare, the you know, looking one way, looking
for people, never really certain of where he was, and
then the rambling incoherent sentences. So you know, and if
it were just someone you knew, you'd feel sorry for them.
But if it were my loved one, I would be
mad at the family for putting something like that out.
(29:38):
I think actually one of the most insulting things was
Jimmy Carter's family. As Jimmy Carter was dying and really
not conscious, they rolled him out for display of the
cameras after having just voted. And you know, it's a
sad time. Look, Jimmy Carter wasn't a great president, was
a great humanitarian, I think, and not a bad person
after the presidency. He should have been remembered for that instead.
(30:00):
I can't shake the image of you know, his mouth open,
unconscious and his idiot family parading him out there in
front of cameras. To stay just voted. You know, that's
that's kind of what they did to Biden for four years,
and it would have been much better. And you know,
he could have been remember, you know, I guess at
least just for being a crook, you know, as a
vice president instead of you know, being a bumbling president.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Do you believe that they found out on Friday that
he had stage four cancer?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know maybe? And I don't really fault people as
much for this. If you've looked into prostate cancer, and
a lot of men have looked into the pros and
cons of the blood testing, it really has evolved and
changed a lot. So they used to have everybody at
forty start taking a PSA, but then they started finding
elevated PSAs and people having a prostage formood, which is
not a benign receiver procedure, and it's sort of unclear
(30:53):
whether they were early cancers that might have stayed and
hidden for dozens of years, and so the numbers of
surgeries of skyrocketed, and then they decided, after seventy you're
more likely to die from something else, they don't take
the PSA at all. And so it's weird because we
all have this mortality, and we like, I'm seventy one,
feel pretty healthy. I think I should get a PSA.
Or I'm eighty two and feel healthy. Maybe I'll get
a PSA, or maybe I'll just roll the dice. I'm
(31:16):
getting older, I'm going to die from something. So these
are they're difficult and personal decisions. So I don't follow
him for any of that. And I think there is
a chance he didn't know they said he got a
PSA that was probably normal back when he was seventy one,
and it's a slow going cancer, and there's you know,
he's eighty two or eighty three, and you know, the
downside to the surgeries are a lot of different side
(31:38):
effects from the surgery. Is not a perfect surgery by
any means, And so I don't know. I guess I
don't follow him because I think the decision making process
is a very personal one that a lot of men
are having to go through. And really it's not an
easy one because it's not what I can.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
To ask you really quickly about doctor pauls or Senator Paul,
doctor Paul. My own father, by the way, I had
had to go through this. So a lot of us
listening it's very it's very personal and exactly what you're
talking about. But why is this happening to so many?
This is we're not a point where men are being
told something like what seventy percent or eighty percent of
them will have some form of prostate cancer. This can't
(32:14):
be normal. Do you have any any working theory as
to what's going on?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Actually, it actually is kind of normal. They've done a
natural study of the natural course of the disease. And
when they do autopsies of men in their seventies who
die for other reasons, you just die. And they take
one hundred people who died and they look at the prostates,
it is like, seventy percent of them have cancer in
the prostate, but never had any symptoms that didn't spread
anywhere in their body, and they died from something else.
(32:39):
That's why it's a difficult decision. If it were just
a breast biopsy or a lumpectomy that they did to
the prostate, you didn't have to worry about all the
other possible problems. It wouldn't be such a big deal.
But since the surgery is a pretty dramatic thing, you
obviously don't want to do the surgery on people who
don't need to have it.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, so one hundred years ago, we think as many
men were having this issue as today, I'm asking honestly,
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, probably, but one hundred years ago, you know, the
average life expectancy was forty five and so aase we
live longer, there's going to be a lot more people
with it. But it's even worse than that. They apparently
have done autopsy studies of men who die in their twenties,
and I've seen at least one report saying eight percent
of men in their twenties already have a form of
prostate cancer. So that makes you wonder if it's more
(33:24):
hyperplasia or something that's not quite cancer, and that maybe
our grading system needs to be better refined to figure
out when we need to do surgery and when we do.
So it is a complicated subject. I guess it. Don't
follow him for it because look, he's eighty two and
he's had twelve years without having to deal with any
of the symptoms of having the surgery. And I don't know,
(33:45):
I don't know what would have been better, and nobody really,
I don't know. There's a lot of ends or butts
about how to make the decision. The guy that invented
the PSA was a test with a chairman of the
department at Stanford for many years. He finally came to
the conclusion at the end that PSA is also related
to a benign enlargement of the prostate as well as cancer.
(34:07):
And it's difficult to distinguish because men's prostate gets bigger
over time, and that's why most older men have trouble
with urinary symptoms. But it's not all cancer. A lot
of it's benign. And because the surgeries involved, you other
decide do I want to do you know, do I
want to watch it? Do I want to do surgery?
And it's a difficult decision for a lot of men.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Senator Paul, Doctor Paul wearing both hats today for us.
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Speaker 2 (36:36):
Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We've
got some good news and some awful news. So I
will start with the good news. Early this morning, the
big beautiful Bill passed the House of Representatives two fifteen
to to fourteen. It is now on to the United
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States Senate, where expectations are that it will pass at
some point in the next month and become the law
of the land. More flexibility in the United States Senate
because it's a little bit better of a majority fifty
three forty seven than what Mike Johnson was working with
(00:47):
on a regular basis in the House of Representatives. So
all of that very very positive news that happened early
this morning. Unfortunately, an awful thing happened late last night
in our nation's capital when too young, soon to be
engaged individuals, one from Kansas, the other from Jerusalem. It's
(01:12):
an awful story. The man in this relationship was planning
to propose, had already bought her a ring, and they
were shot and killed in cold antisemitic blood on the
streets of our nation's capital. And this is what globalized
the Intifada leads to this is why everyone on a
(01:35):
college campus that has been moronically walking around saying globalize
the into fada. This is what they are calling for.
This is, unfortunately what happens in Israel. Quite often, a
terrorist comes up and kills someone because they happened to
be Jewish, and it felt sadly inevitable, inevitable to me
(01:57):
that this would occur. But here is I want to
play the audio because there's no uncertainty about exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Here.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Here is the individual who will soon be charged with
the crime if he has not already been shouting free,
free Palestine after he murdered two Israeli diplomats on the
streets of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Here's cut too, so.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There's no uncertainty about what his motives are. This is
a chant that has been screamed loudly on college campuses
everywhere in many different American streets by people who claim
that Israel is the bad guy in the wake of
October seventh. Let me make sure that you know these individuals' names.
This is the Israeli ambassador Yekel Leiter discussing these victims
(02:55):
and talking about his conversation with President Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The young man purchased the ring this week with the
intention of proposing to his girlfriend next week in Jerusalem.
They were a beautiful couple who came to enjoy an
evening in Washington's Cultural Center. On the way in this
BONDI was kind enough to hand me on the phone
and the other line was the President of the United States,
(03:20):
Donald Trump, who told me that his administration is going
to do everything it can possibly do to fight and
end anti Semitism and the hatred that's being directed the
demonization and delegitimization of the state of Israel.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, Buck, you and I I don't think, sadly are surprised.
I was just about getting ready to go to bed
when the alert popped up on my phone late last night,
a little bit after midnight, and to me it felt
inevitable based on the way that the United States, many
people in the United States, on the left in particular,
but all so, there's people on the right who are
(04:01):
anti Semitic. This is where I would say the left
and the right unfortunately sometimes have agreement, but it's far
more pronounced, certainly on the left wing right now anti
anti Semitism is and this to me is a natural
result of being unable to distinguish between good and evil,
(04:21):
such that you then engage in evil acts yourself because
you believe you're doing something that is right and just.
And this is the importance of being able to teach
right and wrong. And unfortunately, the younger you are in
this country, the more likely you are to buy into
the idea that the Israeli state is the bad guy here.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
We recognize that. First of all, I just it's heartbreaking
to see this. And I sit here and just say
that murdering a beautiful couple like this in cold blood
outside a social event, I don't know what could be
more demonic senseless. And you know, it's interesting to me
(05:07):
that the media, whenever there is a anything that they
can say how somehow involves right wing ideology, they'll speak
of something called and we've discussed it on the show
stochastic terrorism. So numerically random terrorism is effectively what it
is like if you do this enough, if you spread
this message enough, somebody will commit an active terrorism. They'll
(05:30):
talk about that if they can say that this is
somehow racist right wing ideology. Meanwhile, the left is soaked
in anti Israel, anti Semitic hatred, top to bottom, day
in and day out. It's in the media, it's on campuses.
They're safe harbor given and platform given to it in
the Democrat Party. And we are just to think that
(05:53):
this now happens in some kind of vacuum. You know,
this comes up Clay when we have the discussions of
they can't say that Trump is Hitler, but they oppose
violence against Trump. That doesn't really make sense, does it.
If you believe that Trump was Hitler, which is an
insane person statement, but the Democrats have said at countless
times as we know. But if you truly believed that,
(06:17):
then you would want to do anything to remove that
threat from the United States. And of course we saw
that two people tried in the election cycle, and one
put a bullet through Trump's ear. If you truly believe
that there is a genocide going on in Gaza, first
of all, you can't read or you can't process information,
(06:38):
because this wouldn't be a long and drawn out war.
If it was a genocide, Israel could just flatten all
of Gaza in a matter of days, no offens or butts,
and that would be the end. Of it. They could
kill every man, women and child in Gaza if they
chose to do so. The reason the war is taking
so long as first and foremost Gaza, I mean Hamas,
and the Gazins refuse to release civilian hostages that were
(07:01):
taken at the start of this war in the horrible
October seventh terrorist massacre. So to me, there is such
an inversion of morality that goes on here. And I
point this out as well, Clay, because you know you
said this yesterday. I've been advancing this point on the
show as much as I can because I started out
(07:22):
in Middle East studies in my life back in college
working the Arab Israeli working on the Arab Israeli issue.
My first ever real internship was for Dennis Ross, the
US ambassador under Clinton for the Arab Israeli peace Accords.
So I've been following this for a very long time
and I'm aware of a lot of the different dynamics.
But in this country it has turned into a shrill
(07:46):
left wing rallying cry, absent facts and just full of hatred,
and that results in things like we've seen on the campuses,
which is which is completely disgusting. And then can even
result in things like this. I would want to ask
these individuals who are on the campuses. I want to
ask the people who are always talking about the genocide
(08:08):
and Gaza, where are they on the genocide? And I
know it sounds like a what about isn't to some
people they want to make that claim, Clay, where's the
talk about the genocide going on in South Sudan? Or
is it every Do they care about every human life
and depression? Do they care about hospitals being bombed? How
many of them even know that the hospitals just bombed
in South Sudan. They have no idea. They don't pay
(08:30):
any attention because that is a fight among a lot
of different ethnic groups, but Arab Muslims, Black Africans, there's
no white people involved. And when there's no white people involved,
even though four hundred thousand people have died, there have
been mass rapes, there has been ethnic cleansing. I mean,
the most horrific stuff imaginable. It's been going on for
(08:52):
over a decade, I might add. And yet none of
the people that are walking around with cafaas on talking
about how every life matters and stop genocide. You don't
know a damn thing about it. You know why, because
they're costplaying as revolutionaries and they're just feeding in to
this anti white narrative that they think somehow explains the
Israel Hamas war. And that is how stupid they are,
(09:14):
and that is how malevolent their ideology is, and it
results in things like we saw last night. I think
all that's very well said.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I know there are maybe some people out there with kids'
grandkids that don't get this. Let me give you two
things that I think are very simple that you can
share with them and ask them to think about. One
is And I was over in December, and I don't
remember who told me this, but I've heard it repeated since.
But the first time I heard it was in Israel.
(09:45):
And it is this. If Israel put down its weapons,
it wouldn't exist tomorrow. If every other country in the
Middle East that hates Israel put down its weapons, there
would be peace in the Middle East. Israel is not
the progressor. Israel is trying to protect itself and most
of its foes want Israel, as you saw in October seventh,
(10:07):
waped the Jewish people in Israel wiped off the face
of the earth. That's what from the river to the
sea means. So that's an easy one that I think
is that everybody can grasp. And two is another analogy
we have made, and I think it's a good one
because people sometimes say, Okay, well, why do you care?
How do you decide who's good who's bad. Well, I
(10:27):
was there in all the kibbutz's where all the innocent
people were murdered when Hamas decided to come into Israel
and rape and pillage and murder across a wide expanse.
But I want you to think about this when Biden
had our southern border wide open, or even now, if
(10:50):
somehow it were to occur, if a Mexican terror organization
came across our southern border and killed twelve hundred Americans
and kidnapped hundreds of them and went back into Mexico
and claimed that they shouldn't be attacked because women and
(11:11):
children might be harmed, what would we do to the
part of Mexico that the terrorists were in.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You would say, Ia, what do you think we would
do if they killed twelve hundred Americans went back across
their border and had hundreds of hostages.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, I joined the CIA because of nine to eleven,
So we could even use a more direct historical analogy here.
I think that October seventh was Israel's nine to eleven. Yeah,
and I think very clearly, and as a matter of percentages,
I think it might even be higher than nine to eleven. Oh,
infinitely infinitely higher because the Israeli population so much smaller.
So when you factor this out, yeah, after nine to eleven,
(11:50):
you know, I will add, By the way, there's actually
a pretty good hunt for bin Laden on Netflix if
anyone's curious to look for something that's it's pretty well done.
My old friend Gary Burnson, who led the Jawbreaker team
is on it. Mike Morrell, whom I work for in
the CIA, who's a Lib and a Hillary guy. But
you know, there's some people that were there doing the
doing the work, and they're pretty good. But Clay people,
(12:11):
I think, I think sometimes leave this part out of
our response. After nine eleven, we said to the Taliban, Okay,
you guys have him, you hand him over or else.
They chose or else. Yeah, we had no choice. There
is no choice because the choice to not do anything
would be the choice to let evil win. And Hama
(12:32):
and Israel has the same choice after October seventh. And
this is the you know, this is where I get
very frustrated because there are people out there who think
themselves clever because somehow the only thing they ever have
a problem with is a response to terrorism. Yeah, it's
always the response isn't good enough. It's a little bit
like arguing with somebody who's wrong and just says I
don't like your tone. I don't like your tone. Well,
(12:53):
how are we going to is it? Who's right is
what matters? Okay, you can complain about my tone all day.
And amaspought this war upon themselves. They could have ended
this war after October seventh, for months and months and months,
given the hostages back and had an unconditional surrender. They
chose not to do it. They don't just hold Israeli's hostage,
They hold themselves hostage. That's the problem. They've decided we
(13:15):
would rather light ourselves on fire as a people in
Gaza than join civilization and stop this madness.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Wall Street Journal last weekend had a peace that I
thought was important.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I shared it.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
People say, why did Hamas do it? Well, certainly they're
horrible anti Semites, right, they want Israel wiped off and
the Jewish people wiped off the planet. But in particular,
the timing of October seventh seems to have been directly
tied to fear that Saudi Arabia was going to normalize
relations with Israel and that would lead to more peace
(13:50):
in the Middle East, and they didn't want that to
happen because they thought that would undercut their political posture.
So the reason they stay attacked on October seven was
they were trying to stop peace from spreading even more
substantially in the Middle East. They're evil, and I think
you saw the motivation and any of you out there
(14:11):
with kids or grandkids walking around saying globalize the Intifada,
I think that they are so poorly educated that they
do not even understand how much of morons they truly are. Look,
we're gonna talk more about this. We're gonna go to
Israel and talk with Yel Extein, she works at the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews about what the reaction
(14:31):
is in Israel, which I'm sure is widely discussed and
was crushing to so many people over there to hear
that two young, innocent people who were soon to be
engaged were murdered in cold blood for being Jewish. This
is why, you know, our friend Carol Mark Whiz tweeted
that Jews need to go buy as many guns as
they can. And she in particular, she's on a plane,
or she'd be with us today. Maybe we can get
her on tomorrow. But she in particular Buck you know this,
(14:54):
went and taught herself how to fire a gun after
October seventh. And there are a lot of women out
there and popular I took her out and taught her
how to fire guns. We took her out for a
range day so that she knew how to defend herself.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So many people are like this.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean, I talked about when I was in Israel,
I met a woman who's working with the IFCJ. Young
mom walks around with a handgun on her hip everywhere
she goes. Now, she was in the hospital having just
delivered a baby on October seventh, and her mom was
killed on October seventh. Her brothers had to go rescue her,
her husband who was holding the butcher knife right by
(15:30):
the door to try to stab people if they came
in to kill their infant children. I mean, this is
the reality of what people in Israel deal with every
day and unfortunately globalize, the Intifada has spread here. If
you want to educate, you want people to learn more,
trust me, just go to IFCJ dot org. You can
learn click there so you can talk to the kids
and grandkids in your family. Please just trust me. IFCJ
(15:53):
dot org go learn what is going on, what Israel
is having to deal with and trying to defend itself
and it's very existence. IFCJ dot org is that website.
Click to learn tab IFCJ dot org. All right, welcome
back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We've been talking to you about this terrible, this heinous
double assassination of to a young Jewish couple about to
get engaged at in our nation's capital last night, and
this is should be the easiest thing for anyone in
American politics to condemn. Let's check in on Ilhan Omar
for a second member of the United States Congress. Play
(16:31):
cut seven.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Congresswoman, can I give your reaction to the shooting that
happened DC last night. I'm going to go for now.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm going to go for now. Let me let me
just say something so we're all very clear on this.
We all know, right, that Ilhan Omar represents the constituency
a law. I mean, if you did a poll, I'm
telling you a large percentage of them support what happened
last night. They say that that's actually what should happen.
That's the truth. That is the truth. There are people
(17:00):
who vote for ilan Omar. There are people who vote
for some of these radical left, anti Israeli members of
Congress who think that violence is justified. I mean they
say it on college campuses, right, Why wouldn't this extend
to other people across the country.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, this is the definition of globalized the Intifada.
I mean, this is what happens in Israel sadly, on
a regular basis. A terrorist comes up and kills someone
because they're Jewish. This happens all the time. It's really
the only crime they have in Israel. And we don't
see this thing happen thankfully, very often here. But it's inevitable.
(17:38):
I mean, look, George Washington University, my alma mater, said
Death of the Martyrs on the library and had one
of the most long lasting campus takeovers of any university
in the country. They put a CAFAA on George Washington
in the center of the campus. It's sadly not a
surprise to me. I think that Washington, DC is probably
one of the most anti Semitic cities in America. And
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in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. We head up to
Capitol Hill now to be joined by Senator Rand Paul
of Kentucky. Senator, we saw the big beautiful bill pass
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by one vote in the House to fifteen to two fourteen.
I believe it is now onto the United States Senate.
What happens there now? What should we know about, what
the process is in the Senate? What you want to see?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But you know, there's some good and some bad to
the bill. The good is the tax cuts. You know,
I've supported these in twenty seventeen. Some of them will
be making permanent and some of them will be adding
to I'm very supportive of that. I'm supportive of spending cuts.
I think the spending cuts are wimpy, anemic, and unfortunately
it won't do much to change the course of the
country towards a more fiscal physically responsible path. The thing
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I'll really object to, though, and that prevents me from
supporting it at this point, is that it adds either
four or five trillion, depending on which version you look
at to the debt ceiling. This will be an historic
increase in the debt ceiling. We've never added this much
at one time, and frankly concern have never voted to
these things. Typically they've been passed by Democrats and sort
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of the big government Republicans are forced to get together.
I always called it a day of shame. They had
to go down on the well and admit that there's
big spending plans had caused the debt to rise alarmingly.
But now it's conservatives voting for it. And my fear
is is that this will be the end of fiscal
conservatism here and in the country because there's very few
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I mean, there were one or two in the House
that oppose this because the debt grows too much. Right now,
it's just me in the Senate, and it's not because
I opposed Donald Trump or not because I opposed that
the tax cuts or any of the spending cuts. But
I just don't think we should be the party that
raises the debt ceiling five trillion dollars. You know, come September,
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the deficit this year is going to be about two
point two trillion. That's all Republican now, because Republicans have
voted for these spending levels, they're anticipating two point eight
to three trillion next year. That's just not conservative and
somebody's got to be left in the country wholes break
truth to power that we'll say, basically, we're supposed to
be the Conservative Party.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Senator Paul Are we at a point where we just
need to be honest as a country that if there
is no political will to change alter whatever somebody wants
to say about it, social Security, medicare, medicaid, maybe really
just medicare that in that equation, and defense spending is
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not going to get cut, if anything, that's going to
go up. We're not going to tackle the debt, right,
I mean, is that mathematically what we are stuck with?
Is there some other way? I just worry that this
is you know, I remember when you came in on
the tea party wave. We've been talking about this issue
for a long time. There's a bit of fatigue over guys.
The debt bomb is ticking. The debt bomb is ticking,
and everyone goes, oh my gosh, let's do something about it.
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You go, okay, maybe we need to reform entitlements. They go,
you're out of office.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, well, you know, I've been pretty honest with it,
you know, since I was elected. When I was running
for the office the first time I said, those securities,
running out of money, those Medicare, and we're moving longer.
We're going to have to gradually raise the age of eligibility.
And I would laughingly say, you know, people would say,
do you hate old people? And I say, no, I
aspire a vehicle person. You know, I'm on my way.
I you know, I want to collect my Social Security,
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my Medicare. And so in order to save these systems,
they have to be reformed. But when we take them
off the table and we present deficits as big as
the Biden deficits are bigger, we're just as guilty, and
we no longer can point to them as all these
are the Biden deficits or the Biden inflation that came
from the deficits. We'll be looking in the mirror because
we'll have the responsibility now. And I just I think
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there still needs to be a conservative resistance against big
spending and against debt. And it is important. Our interest
rates about a trillion dollars and our interest payments about
a trillion dollars a year. But interest rates are still
edging up. You know, the interest rate for thirty years
at five percent. So we are gradually turning over into
a higher interest rate, and it's going to crowd out
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all spending. At some point in time, the deficit for
this year will equal to budget. Congress votes on a
discretionary budget of about one point eight to two trillion dollars.
That's equal to the deficit, which means one hundred percent
of the budget we vote on will be borrowed this year.
So this should not be about allegiance to Donald Trump.
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I like the President, I voted for him, I support him,
and I'm with him on so many things, his cabinet,
Maha movement, all that stuff. But it doesn't mean we
should quit being physically conservative and asking the difficult questions
about are we full big debt? Are we not for it?
Are we different than the Democrats when it comes to
deficit spending? And right now we're looking kind of like
the Democrats as far as a result.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
We're talking to Senator ram Paul. I want to build
on what Buck said because I do think it's interesting
the Tea Party movement started. You can correct me if
I'm wrong, because I may be a little bit off,
but I think I'm right. When under Obama the national
debt approach ten trillion since that time, we have nearly
quadrupled the national debt because it's rapidly approaching forty trillion,
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and as you just laid out, you know we're headed
for fifty trillion, sixty trillion, and it just feels like
Buck and I talk about this sometimes on the program
because we see the responses when we bring it up.
You say, hey, this is unsustainable. People say, well, you
should just cut cost. The problem is if you look
at the basic math of what medicare cost of, what
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Social Security costs, what the debt costs, and I don't
think most people want to replace national defense, even though
now we're spending more money servicing the debt on interest
than we are in national defense. That eliminates about eighty
six percent issh of the overall budget. Even if you
cut every other part of the budget, you're still going to,
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as you just laid out, end up in a deficits situation.
To me, the only possible solution is you have to
address entitlement spending in a significant way.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And you know this better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It seems like ninety five percent of politicians just say, hey,
I got to get elected in two years, Hey I
got to get elected in four years, six years, whatever
it is, we'll just kick the can down the road
and pretend that the looming debt crisis doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well, you know, one of the reasons we've put forward
the Penny Plan budget to balance the budget is to
illustrate that it can be done, and it can be
done by cutting only a few percentage points. But you
have to cut a few percentage points of everything. So
when I started proposing this ten years ago, spending wasn't
nearly as bad, but it was it was headed in
the wrong direction. Ten years ago, you could free spending,
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just don't increase spending. Spend the same amount each year
for five years, and the budget would balance. Then a
couple of years later we called it the Penny plan.
You had to cut one percent across the board of
everything on budget to balance the budget, to balance the
annual budget. Then it became the two penny plan. Then
COVID hit and it became the six penny plan. And
so that's about what we are right now. You'd have
to cut it six percent across the board. But I
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tell people, look at it this way. If you still
had ninety four percent, Let's say your big deal is
your brother and grandmother had Alzheimer's disease. You want the
government to do research. So they come into me. They
all wear purple ribbons, and I have great deal of sympathy.
I have family members who have had and I say
to them, well, you know, we're short of money, and
you got one hundred million last year, could you live
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with ninety four million this year? And every one of
them they're tearful thinking about their loved ones. They're talking
about something very personal to them, and they look at
me and they say, well, sure, if the country's short
of money, we could do with ninety four million. And
see that would be the same truth of everybody. Everybody
would just have to do with ninety four dollars out
of one hundred, and it would be less about eliminating
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anything to anyone, but cutting everybody the six percent and
just saying we've got to do it. You do it.
For a couple of years, we balanced, the country begins
to grow, receipts grow again, and actually governments many could
gradually go up after a while. But I don't know.
I'm not afraid to do it, and I don't know
that I many less popular than I was when I ran.
You know, I got sixty two percent of the vote
last time in a state that has the significant population
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that's dependent on government, and I have great sympathy for them,
but I want them all to do better. And I say,
I don't want to cut you off Medicaid, don't want
to get you private health insurance with the private job
and better payment. And so I don't know. I think
people do understand that if you're sincere. I think a
lot of the people that are Weasily and Waffley and
never really commit one way or the other and then
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go home and tell everybody there for a balanced budget.
This is a problem with Republicans. It's going to They're
going to lose face, and they're going to lose any
semblance of sincerity because they're going to go home to
the Chamber of Commerce and to the Roadary and talk
about balance budgets next year or this summer. And yet
the deficit's going to be two point two trillion, and
all of it is responsible to Republicans. Now, this is
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no longer the Biden deficit. This will be the GOP deficit.
And in the next two years are going to borrow
five trillion dollars somebody's got to stand up and shout no.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, at least down the line, if this doesn't stop,
you'll be able to look at all of us when
we're facing a true financial crisis and say, I did
tell you guys this is coming. So I know that
won that will be cold comfort. But you're very much
on the record with this one. I worry that American
politics have unfortunately gotten on this unstoppable amusement park ride
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and we're going to run out of track. But anyway,
I also wanted to ask you something, well, actually, no,
this is very serious too. I was gonna say, go
to a lighter direction, but no, not really what you're
finding about, or what we're all finding out about, really
the new version of how the Democrats viewed Biden during
the election, this book that's come out, all of this stuff.
(28:44):
Where do you come I mean, as a doctor as
well as somebody who's in politics at a high level.
I mean, nobody's really supposed to believe that your Democrat
colleagues in the Senate didn't know Biden wasn't all there,
right or what?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No, this is really shocking. You're going to ever can
you believe it that Biden was actually mentally impaired, and
no one knew about it until wrote his book. This
is just shocking. I mean, what great reporting Tapper has
revealed that President Biden was missing a step or two. No,
I mean everybody saw it from miles away. The shuffling gate,
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the absence stare, the you know, looking one way, looking
for people, never really certain of where he was, and
then the rambling incoherent sentences. So you know, and if
it were just someone you knew, you'd feel sorry for them.
But if it were my loved one, I would be
mad at the family for putting something like that out.
(29:38):
I think actually one of the most insulting things was
Jimmy Carter's family. As Jimmy Carter was dying and really
not conscious, they rolled him out for display of the
cameras after having just voted. And you know, it's a
sad time. Look, Jimmy Carter wasn't a great president, was
a great humanitarian, I think, and not a bad person
after the presidency. He should have been remembered for that instead.
(30:00):
I can't shake the image of you know, his mouth open,
unconscious and his idiot family parading him out there in
front of cameras. To stay just voted. You know, that's
that's kind of what they did to Biden for four years,
and it would have been much better. And you know,
he could have been remember, you know, I guess at
least just for being a crook, you know, as a
vice president instead of you know, being a bumbling president.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Do you believe that they found out on Friday that
he had stage four cancer?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know maybe? And I don't really fault people as
much for this. If you've looked into prostate cancer, and
a lot of men have looked into the pros and
cons of the blood testing, it really has evolved and
changed a lot. So they used to have everybody at
forty start taking a PSA, but then they started finding
elevated PSAs and people having a prostage formood, which is
not a benign receiver procedure, and it's sort of unclear
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whether they were early cancers that might have stayed and
hidden for dozens of years, and so the numbers of
surgeries of skyrocketed, and then they decided, after seventy you're
more likely to die from something else, they don't take
the PSA at all. And so it's weird because we
all have this mortality, and we like, I'm seventy one,
feel pretty healthy. I think I should get a PSA.
Or I'm eighty two and feel healthy. Maybe I'll get
a PSA, or maybe I'll just roll the dice. I'm
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getting older, I'm going to die from something. So these
are they're difficult and personal decisions. So I don't follow
him for any of that. And I think there is
a chance he didn't know they said he got a
PSA that was probably normal back when he was seventy one,
and it's a slow going cancer, and there's you know,
he's eighty two or eighty three, and you know, the
downside to the surgeries are a lot of different side
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effects from the surgery. Is not a perfect surgery by
any means, And so I don't know. I guess I
don't follow him because I think the decision making process
is a very personal one that a lot of men
are having to go through. And really it's not an
easy one because it's not what I can.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
To ask you really quickly about doctor pauls or Senator Paul,
doctor Paul. My own father, by the way, I had
had to go through this. So a lot of us
listening it's very it's very personal and exactly what you're
talking about. But why is this happening to so many?
This is we're not a point where men are being
told something like what seventy percent or eighty percent of
them will have some form of prostate cancer. This can't
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be normal. Do you have any any working theory as
to what's going on?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Actually, it actually is kind of normal. They've done a
natural study of the natural course of the disease. And
when they do autopsies of men in their seventies who
die for other reasons, you just die. And they take
one hundred people who died and they look at the prostates,
it is like, seventy percent of them have cancer in
the prostate, but never had any symptoms that didn't spread
anywhere in their body, and they died from something else.
(32:39):
That's why it's a difficult decision. If it were just
a breast biopsy or a lumpectomy that they did to
the prostate, you didn't have to worry about all the
other possible problems. It wouldn't be such a big deal.
But since the surgery is a pretty dramatic thing, you
obviously don't want to do the surgery on people who
don't need to have it.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, so one hundred years ago, we think as many
men were having this issue as today, I'm asking honestly,
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, probably, but one hundred years ago, you know, the
average life expectancy was forty five and so aase we
live longer, there's going to be a lot more people
with it. But it's even worse than that. They apparently
have done autopsy studies of men who die in their twenties,
and I've seen at least one report saying eight percent
of men in their twenties already have a form of
prostate cancer. So that makes you wonder if it's more
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hyperplasia or something that's not quite cancer, and that maybe
our grading system needs to be better refined to figure
out when we need to do surgery and when we do.
So it is a complicated subject. I guess it. Don't
follow him for it because look, he's eighty two and
he's had twelve years without having to deal with any
of the symptoms of having the surgery. And I don't know,
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I don't know what would have been better, and nobody really,
I don't know. There's a lot of ends or butts
about how to make the decision. The guy that invented
the PSA was a test with a chairman of the
department at Stanford for many years. He finally came to
the conclusion at the end that PSA is also related
to a benign enlargement of the prostate as well as cancer.
(34:07):
And it's difficult to distinguish because men's prostate gets bigger
over time, and that's why most older men have trouble
with urinary symptoms. But it's not all cancer. A lot
of it's benign. And because the surgeries involved, you other
decide do I want to do you know, do I
want to watch it? Do I want to do surgery?
And it's a difficult decision for a lot of men.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Senator Paul, Doctor Paul wearing both hats today for us.
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