July 1, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a dynamic and timely breakdown of the Senate’s passage of the “Big Beautiful Bill”, a sweeping legislative package poised to reshape the political and economic landscape. Passed by a narrow 51-50 margin with Vice President JD Vance casting the tie-breaking vote, the bill now awaits President Donald Trump’s signature, expected by July 4th. This hour dives deep into the bill’s key provisions, including a $5 trillion debt ceiling increase, hundreds of billions allocated for border security and national defense, and a projected $3.3 trillion budget deficit increase through 2034. The hosts analyze the political drama surrounding the bill’s passage, highlighting opposition from Republican Senators Rand Paul, Tom Tillis, and Susan Collins, and the expected reconciliation process in the House. The conversation pivots to the economic implications, with a focus on achieving 3–4% GDP growth as a strategy to offset rising debt. The hosts emphasize the need for the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates to unlock the housing market and stimulate broader economic activity. They also confront the political reality of entitlement reform, noting the structural challenges posed by Social Security and Medicare and the public’s resistance to change. In a lighter but impactful segment, the show covers President Trump’s visit to “Alligator Alcatraz”, a new immigration detention facility in Florida’s Everglades. The hosts praise the facility’s strategic location and its role in Trump’s border enforcement agenda, while humorously debating the best way to escape an alligator encounter. Additional highlights include: Concerns over the BRICS nations’ efforts to de-dollarize and its potential impact on U.S. economic dominance. The looming expiration of Trump-era tax cuts, which could trigger the largest tax hike in U.S. history if not extended. A spirited discussion on public misunderstanding of entitlement programs, the media’s framing of spending cuts, and the need for economic literacy. Light-hearted banter about alligators, crocodiles, and Everglades wildlife, adding a unique flavor to the policy-heavy hour.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It is big, it is beautiful, and it is now law.
The Big Beautiful Bill has just moments ago passed in
the United States. Sent Okay, I know Trump has to
sign it, but you know it's happening. Trump's going to
sign this big beautiful bill. So the big beautiful Bill
has gone through. It will be on the President's desk.
(00:32):
This is huge.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It is huge.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We will get into some of the final items that
were in this. We will discuss some of the no votes.
There were some no votes. We'll also talk about how
Elon Musk, formerly of DOGE fame pretty unhappy with the
situation here of the five trillion dollar debt ceiling rays.
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Still potentially bucked a little bit of drama because I
think the House will now have to come back and
agree to something.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Side I got ahead of myself there too excited, too excited,
So there will there will be some drama that's in reconciling.
It's going to go through the House has already passed it.
It's going to go through. But thank you for the yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So early for me for the nerdy edition where there
will continue to be drama.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
First, how is that going to take though?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't know, I I I just we have not
spent a ton of time on the minute by minute
because we knew that this was going to pass and
it will pass on some level. Uh, but they still
have some maneuvering. I think Trump wants it by July fourth, right,
is the ideal day that he would sign it, which
is Friday, And so I imagine that they are hoping
(01:46):
that the House will sign off on the changes made
by the Senate at some point in time in the
next several days. But that's the timeframe. Uh so that
is the last drama to be had before this thing
is officially signed get an underway, which it's.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Not gonna mean. It's not gonna mean drama. I mean
they're gonna you know what I mean, Like, come on,
what's the drama gonna be, clay Someone's really the Republicans
aren't going to actually do the thing that they've already
said they were gonna do. I don't I don't see it,
but yes, procedurally speaking, they have to reconcile it.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the House, as the set of the Senate, says,
how's that. Okay, So let's get into what is in
the big beautiful bill, which I do believe is its
official is its official name. I'm just seeing now. I
think it happened so recently, Clay, that all the the
news sites live and in real time here are still updating.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Past as we came on the air like that is, yes,
the second absolute latest breaking news.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's why I got all excited. Okay, so it was
happening in real time. We got to open the show with, ah,
it has past. The said it fifty one fifty, and
JD Vance had to step in to uh write, Jade Vance,
I'm reading this in real time because it just happened.
Just you understand, this wasn't like an hour. What happened
seconds or minutes ago. Three Republicans ran Paul of Kentucky,
(03:06):
Tom Tillis of North Carolina, not running next year. Susan
Collins of Maine joined Democrats to vote against the bill.
Paul opposed the legislation's five trillion dollars debtlimit, et cetera. Okay,
so Susan Collins not a surprise, Ran Paul being Ran Paul,
Trump's probably gonna have some truths for him that are
not very nice. And Tom tillis here. Lisa Murkowski was
(03:30):
the final piece. She backed the bill after discussions with
Thune twenty four hours of motions and amendments. Senate Republican
leaders altered the bill right up to the final moments.
So this was this was down to the wire, everyone
to get the things they wanted to get into in here.
Hundreds of billions for border security, national defense, increased budget
(03:54):
deficit by about three point three trillion through twenty thirty four. Yeah,
look it's I'll tell you, the White House is very
excited about this. I think the economy is going to
look really good as a result of this, or rather,
there's going to be a lot of good things that happened. Clay,
we knew it would get through. Yeah, tie breaking vote
(04:15):
from JD. Van So it was a close run thing here.
We knew it would get through. It's getting through now. Okay,
the House reconciles it on their end. What are your
thoughts as we sit here and bask in the glow
of MAGA another win up on the board.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I think the big question is going to be
how fast can the economy grow? So, now that this
bill is done, the ability to grow the economy is
how we end up keeping from having to massively increase
the overall debt, and so that is my biggest question.
(04:54):
Can we get this economy moving at three percent growth
doesn't sound found outrageous to me, but it is better
than we have been growing the economy over the past
decade or so fifteen years on average, And so to me,
the biggest question out there is how fast can we
grow the economy? To me, the secondary question on this
(05:17):
is can we get the FED to lower interest rates?
Our interest rates are about two percent above where the
EU is right now at four point two five four
point five. You guys can correct me in the studio
if I get the percentages wrong. I think the numbers
need to be around two and a half frankly where
the EU is. If that were to happen, then mortgage
(05:39):
rates and theory are going to come back. That would
unlock the housing market, which is I think the most
frozen aspect of the American economy right now. So many
of you got the two and a half or three
percent fifteen and thirty year mortgages. Congrats, but it's been
several years and we accelerated those so rapidly. Ye, lots
(06:00):
of people are unwilling to sell their homes or move
despite changing life circumstances because the difference between a two
and a half and a three and a seven percent
mortgage rate is so massively substantial. If that starts to
get unfrozen, then I think a lot of the other
aspects of the economy will start to fire on all cylinders.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So the House Freedom Caucus, I was asking, who's going
to cause drama here? I was all excited, like, Okay,
this is finally happening. We're looking at a holiday coming
up here, a great holiday weekend. Country's kicking ass. Things
going really well. House Freedom Caucus says, and this is
as of the last twenty four hours. House budget framework
was clear. No new deficit spending in the One Big
(06:41):
Beautiful Bill. The Senates version adds six hundred and fifty
one billion to the deficit, and that's before interest costs,
which nearly double the total. That's not fiscal responsibility, that's
not what we agreed to. The Senate must make major
changes and should at least be in the ballpark of
compliance with the House Budget Framework. H Are they really
(07:02):
going to do this? Are they going to do this?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think they're gonna be some drama associated with this,
and I think ultimately everybody if.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The drama is just so they get attention and then
they let this go through, they're just being annoying.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm just gonna say this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because we've already we've already had this discussion.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I get it. This is the best you're gonna get.
And there's people out there who are gonna say, Look,
Rand Paul's right about the deficit. I think he is.
Chip chip Roy is right about the deficit. I think
he is. This is the best bill that's going to
pass and you just saw. I have yet to see
anyone come up with a bill that could get passage
(07:44):
in the Senate and the House and do as much
of this bill does. Politics is the art of the possible.
I get people out there that are upset about the debt,
the deficit. I am Look. The reality is nobody wants
to address the fact that entitlement spending, Social Security, and
medicare make it virtually impossible to largely restrict the size
(08:07):
of the federal government. And as soon as you mentioned that,
we get flooded and every politician does with Hey, that
money is mine, I want it back. And so the
structural issues we have at play here, and this is
a challenge, and I don't want to be the want
walk guy, but the structural issues we have in play
(08:27):
is there are way more older people now than there
are younger people in many advanced countries in the world,
and entitle what programs are predicated on there being way
more younger people than there are older people. And if
you are around our age, the math doesn't add up
for us to get the Social Security dollars back that
(08:48):
we put in. And that's just the reality, without adjusting
based on retirement ages, based on just looking at population tables,
I presume that I'm going to get virtually nothing from
Social Security. That's me. I'm forty six. You know, people
can start taking Social Security. I think it's sixty two,
so I'm not that far away. Well, I don't think
(09:09):
it's going to be there. This is why I find
the whole thing frustrating.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And I appreciate that Rand Paul wants to Senator Paul
wants to have his voice heard on this, and mathematically
he's right, but politically he's wrong because no one's going
to do anything about this right now, and there's no
willingness among the American people, even people who say they
want to tackle the debt to do it. It's like
having a debt ceiling fight. It's a fake fight because
we always raise the debt ceiling, and then if they default,
(09:35):
they don't really Rather there's discussion about default, they're not
really going to default. So it just becomes tiresome and
you lose. It's the boy who cried wolf. You lose
public interest, and I think that, yeah, until people want
to talk about entitlements just to keep spending the money
we have to spend to achieve the priorities of the
Republican Party. If we don't have a secure border and
we don't deal with the illegal immigration issue, we Medicare
and social security in thirty years is going to be
(09:57):
the least of our problems because we're not gonna have
a country. More so, the hundreds of billions of dollars
that are going toward border security and the deportation efforts
of the illegals who pile them. Under Biden, it's absolutely essential.
A lot of the things that are covered in the
big beautiful bill are going to be I believe rocket
fuel for the economy. Growth is also really important. Remember
(10:19):
nobody's factoring in that Trump wasn't I should say, factoring
in Trump's tariffs into financial and fiscal matters for the country.
It's already one hundred and twenty billion dollars and it's
just getting going. So you know, there are other pathways
maybe that could be considered here that might make the
situation better. Now that I mean I did, I'll say,
I know that Trump had to sign it, sol I've forgotten.
(10:40):
Now the House has to reconcile on their side for
a second, and I think they're just gonna do what
they did. We're gonna get a bunch of windy speeches
about the debt, the debt, the debt, and then they're
gonna and then they're gonna vote for it. I don't
understand what's We all get it. We all understand there's
nothing else to be said until until you want to
deal with entitlements. Everybody, you don't want to deal with
the debt. End of story, full stop, end of conversation.
(11:01):
And nobody wants to deal with entitlement. So let's just
do what we can to achieve the agenda we've got
while Trump's running things.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I think that there's going to be a recognition that
entitlement spending is out of control and everybody's gonna have
to get their benefits cut. And we should have we
should have a real conversation about Social Security and the
fact that it's actually not a very good deal and
(11:29):
most Americans just don't really look into it because it's
been established for a long time. The government takes your money,
they give you a three percent return roughly on it,
and if you die, they'll never get it. You know
that this is all falling on deaf ears. People love
their people love social Security, and you know what the
problem is, Clay, the lunatic communists who are certainly right
(11:52):
now sitting around a lot of them praising the Mom
Donnie wing of the Democrat Party. They're not going to
get into what you're talking about. They're just gonna tell
people bull.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
They're taking your social Security, and then you lose, and
then the communists are in charge and then they ruin everything.
So this is true is the political reality of America
right now. And Trump sees it, and I that's why
I have my patience for this thing and my patients
even for beyond. Yeah, of course, hear it out. Make
the case, tell everybody the numbers. But standing in the
way of the Trump agenda because you say that you're
(12:22):
not getting the cuts you want. You're not getting the cuts. Okay,
it's not happening. You're you're not You're not actually going
to deal with the dead. It's thirty seven trillion dollars.
It's not happening.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
How many people do you think even understands for security?
What percentage of the American population?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean, they know that they get money when they're
when they're older, and they needed I mean, that's all
they care to know.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But the fact that it's an awful deal. And if
you got to keep your own money and you just
put it in index funds, you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Would people don't trust themselves. People don't They would spend it.
People would spend it on a jet ski and then
they'd say, oh, but I need help now. And you
know this is the this is the problem. People want.
Everybody wants somebody else to pay for their stuff. Realizing
that they're the ones paying for the stuff. They think
is coming from other people.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think the biggest challenge is it's so embedded now
that most people don't even examine the underlying concept, which
is basically a big pyramid scheme, and it's predicated on
there always being way more young people than there are
old people. And we're not in that era anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Clay, the average person pays in to medicare less than
half of what they take out of Medicare in terms
of the actual cost of their care.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But if you tell.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Anybody that you're gonna change Medicare, you know what they say,
I paid for that. It's not welfare, it's an entitlement.
I've paid for it. I deserve it. Okay, Well, if
I give you money for one ice cream cone, but
you keep giving me two ice cream cones, you're going
to run out of ice cream cones. Nobody wants to
hear it. And honestly, I'm excited about the border. I'm
excited about saving the country. I'm excited about the Trump
(13:53):
agenda being funded. You know, I'm with Stephen Miller on
this stuff. Man, Like, we got to save the country now,
so we'll figure out the debt later. When people want
to have big boy conversations about it. They don't actually
the American poser want to have the conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The answer then becomes, the growth rate is everything, yep,
because the growth rate of the country is what can
turn this into a net positive bill. So if you
are optimistic on AI, if you want to unleash individual
American meritocracy, if we ever got the country growing at
four percent again, all of these issues vanish basically, right
(14:31):
a four percent a year, four percent a year, four
percent a year. We're growing at like one point five
percent a year, one point eight percent a year. The
overall growth rate of the American economy is the key.
If overall spending is not going to be addressed, and
there doesn't seem to be a political will unfortunately, as
you and I believe there should be. If you look
(14:51):
at just the basic books, the political will isn't there
to address the spending, and so we live in match.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
You to Understandercent, it's not convincing Republicans to tackle the debt.
It's dealing with the fact that Democrats will call you heartless,
you know, ruthless, throwing old ladies off their Medicare and
taking away social Security from hardworking Americans so they can
seize power and act like communist maniacs. That's the problem.
(15:19):
So this is it's not just like we're having a
talk on our side.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And also the concept of cut, which the media I
think does a poor job of slowing the rate of growth,
is not a cut. It's still a growth. But they
have managed to create this idea, well, we're going to
dial back the growth of the of the of the
overall spending, and that is seen as a cut. Oh
you're cutting spinning, No, spinning, still growing, it's just not
(15:44):
growing at the same rate. And honestly, I think a
lot of this is just communication failure. I don't think
people know the details. I think a lot of people
don't care to know the details.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Spoiler alert. It's going to pass and Trump's gonna end
up signing it, and everyone who's chirping about this from
the Congress in the meantime is going to go along
with what's basically there. Just throw it out there for everybody.
But the debt is not being dealt with, that is
for sure. And that is why the Bricks conference is
so interesting. It's going on next week right around this
time for zill Russia, India, China. You know what they're
(16:14):
trying to do, get off the dollar as the world's
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a huge lifestyle change for all Americans if that happens,
and as it happens over time, it means that we
can't fund the things that we fund right now with
money printing the same way because other countries aren't going
to buy our debt and we can't just print our
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(16:35):
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Well, you're gonna have some fun with all of you.
Trump is down at Alligator Alcatraz. We'll have some some
discussions about that. It is the last show that Buck
and I will do before July fourth. We're gonna have
Tutor Dixon, our friend from Michigan, part of the Clay
and Buck podcast network, in guest hosting tomorrow, and then
Brian Mudd will be guest hosting on Thursday Friday, Best
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
You may have heard of this one President Trump went
down to today. It is a reference to a new
holding facility set up here in the state of Florida
for illegal immigrants in the Everglades, which is actually quite
a lovely place. It is not a swamp in the
sense that people think of is fresh water is actually
(19:24):
quite clean. The aquifer there provides drinking water for those
of us down here in South Florida. Not home to
a lot of flamingos, despite what you may think or
may have said recently, but a lot of alligators, that
is for sure. And I'm surprised I didn't get lit
up on this one, Clay, because you brought up the
crocodile issue before. Yes, there are, it's the North American crocodile.
(19:45):
So there are crocodiles here, Yes, there are not that
many of them, but there are crocodiles in Florida. It
is a it is a particular type, the salt water crocodile,
even though the North American crocodile can go in salt water.
The saltwater crocodile refers to the very large one in Australia.
But the most dangerous is, in fact, the nile crocodile
(20:06):
when it comes to number of people killed. Now that
maybe not just the crocodile, maybe proximity to people in
certain countries. Anyway, that's have we gotten into our crocodilions?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Enough? Are we? Are we good?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I having been to Australia, I will say this, how
unfair is it that in Australia you have to be
concerned about crocodiles and sharks when you actually get in
the water at the beach. Doesn't it seem a little
bit unfair that you could be I think saltwater crocodiles
kill way more people in Australia than sharks do, but
(20:40):
it seems very unfair. Have you've seen some of those
videos of the saltwater crocodiles like just off the shore
in Australia where you can't even see them at all,
And yeah, I mean it seems I just think it
seems unfair to think that you could be attacked by
a crocodile while walking along the beach, which can't happen
in Austin.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Australia has recorded a total of forty four fatal fatal
crocodile attacks, so that's officially speaking. So it's it's usually
like a couple of year, I think is what they get,
one or two a year. It's a rough way to go.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
So why are we talking about this, Well, because the
President we agree on it's a rough way to get
it's a rough way to go.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You don't want, you know, they get into the death role.
They grab you, they spin you drown, you're being eaten.
It's not good. It's an unpleasant way to go. Uh,
the President's talking about this. This is We're not just
turning this into an episode of Wild Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
For no reason.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
President Trump came down here to the Great State of Florida.
In gosh, you know, I'm not that good at the
Florida pronunciations. Yet I have to admit there's some funky ones, Chipee,
is that right? Guys? I live here, but I don't
know all of the there's some there's some tough, tough
ways to I should just have Clay read them. Clay,
(21:52):
what do you think, ochipe One of the odds that
I'm going to correctly pronounce anything on this show, well,
at least then the pronunciation police will come for you.
Trump at Alligator Alcatraz here he is cut to play it.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's nice and the job they've done is fantastic. And
this is what you did. And Ron worked beauty play
with Christie and rob the people a homeland security and
he got it done.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Eight days of the new facility. Kind of heard it there.
He's saying, they set up It's fantastic. It happened very quickly.
They've got this thing going. Uh, eight days this facility
was up and running. So what they're saying is they're
gonna be able to hold they're gonna be able to
detain people in this it's uh, it's like an airstrip.
(22:44):
I've seen video of it. The Attorney general here, Attorney
General Uth Meyer did a video of this and this
way people can be taken right there detained, processed, and removed,
and a lot of them would be removed to countries
south of the United States. So South Florida is a
pretty convenient place to stage these these deportations from. And
(23:09):
Trump is going all in on this one. Clay He's
he showed up today to talk about it. He said,
this has cut six. He said, Uh, whatever you do
if you escape alligator Alcatraz, don't run in a straight
line alligator alfacratic.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Well, the idea that it doesn't another great, they don't
get any fill here or I guess that's the concept.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
This is not a nice business. I guess that's the
concept that you you know, the snakes are fast, but.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Alligators but wilding to teach them how to run away.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
From an alligator?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay, because they escaped prison, how to run away?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Don't run in a state line look like this, and
you know what, your chances go off for about one percent. Okay,
that's not a good thing.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
This is true. Do you know, Bucket, I've always wondered
about this. They say that you need to run because
alligators have great straight line speed, right, do you know this.
I've done the research.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
They're much they're much faster on land than people think
they are because they assume they're mostly u water, you know, aquatic.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So if you don't run in a straight line, your
odds are better because the alligator doesn't shift and change
direction very well. Here's the problem. If you run in
a diagonal, eventually you run back into the alligator. No
one ever have you thought about this, Like, if you
just run in zigzags, eventually you cross right back in
front of the alligator. What am I missing here? You're
(24:35):
hoping that the alligator is going to follow you on
the zigzags. The problem is if the alligator just keeps
running straight, you run right back into the alligator. So
I don't even under really understand the zigzag idea. You
understand what I'm saying, Like, if the alligator just stays
committed to his line, you just run right back into him.
But that's what they tell you to do.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think the zigzag maneuver. First
of all, if you try to zigzag, you might zag
when you should zee.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's what I'm saying, like right into the alligator. Like,
if the alligator stays committed to his line, he's gonna
eat you. No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I think you just run as fast as you can
if you're on land, but they're not gonna They're really
not going to chase you on land. Uh. What's dangerous
for people is when you are at the water's edge,
and that's where they'll do. You know, their their predatory behavior.
So if you're a small per, if you're a if
you're a pet or a kid, you know, if you're
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a smaller person or sometimes elderly people. Unfortunately, what's happened
here in Florida, there have been a few fatalities in
the last few years, elderly people with a dog. The
alligator actually goes after their small dog and then they
try to defend the dog, and then the alligator goes
after the elderly person. That has happened, right, So if
you're an able bodied adult human on land, you're you're you're.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
In pretty good shape with a gator.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Uh, you definitely don't want to be I think someone
actually just was in a canoe and got flipped over
and killed you an alligator recently.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
That just happened.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So yeah, you don't want it. You don't want that
to happen either. That's very rare though, that was a
very big gator too, that was like a ten footer. Yeah,
the alligator Alcatraz. We said on this program, Trump is
gonna love this.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We know that Trump wanted to bring back Alcatraz, but
we knew that he would absolutely love this idea. And
it actually does make a lot of sense because the
initial idea behind Alcatraz was you spend less on having
to build walls and everything else because if somebody gets out,
they're done. For the idea that you're going to flee
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through the swamp and get back to some form of
safety virtually zero, virtually zero percent chance of you being
able to escape and be safe, which means that your
requirement in terms of building walls and everything else is
actually diminished substantially. And I knew that he would love
the concept of the alligator Alcatraz. And I give credit
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to the state of Florida for coming up with this
idea because nobody wants to try to swim across a
swamp to get away from anything. Even if your odds
of getting attacked by the alligator are low, your odds
of fleeing through the everglades are virtually non existent.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Safely in daylight. I'm just gonna say this. You know
you're you're probably gonna be okay getting away from the
get there. They're more nocturnal hunters nighttime. If your chest
deep in the Everglades, I wouldn't like that. I wouldn't
you know if you're.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Having the challenge is you don't really know because of
the sawgrass, where land is or how reliable it is
to be land. Right, So, in addition to the fact
that you're gonna have to constantly be wading through water,
it's gonna be hot, there's gonna be a lot of mosquitoes,
there's gonna be a lot of those pythons and anacondas. Now,
(27:56):
the challenge is everything that can live lives in the Everglades, right.
Florida is so hospitable to virtually all animal life that nowadays,
like you don't even know what you're gonna run into
some of those anacondas that they now have into pythons, pythons.
I think there are anacondas now, too, aren't there.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'll check.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't want to get anything wrong Florida. People will
light me up sam a fake flat.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I think basically, if you can have an animal and
it has you know, they say Hurricane Andrew is what
initially it was an android.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
There have been there have been sightings of pet green
ana condas that have been released into the I mean,
so yes, they're an introduced. But this is a little
bit like are there alligators in Harlem? No, but there
was a guy with an alligator in Harlem, New York,
like a long time ago, because he had it as
a pet. Right, it's a real story. There's a guy
with like I think he had an ocelot, an alligator,
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like a bunch of things. So you know that can happen.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's so hospitable that if you release the pet, it
will survive. And so yeah, there are anacondas there. Certainly
there's tons of pythons, and the pythons have reproduced to
such an extent that they have huge python searches. Now,
your odds are getting out of the anaconda of the
alligator Alcatraz virtually zero.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, also, I mean what if your options are make
a run for it for alligator Alcatraz because you're an
illegal who's going to get sent back to your country,
make a run for it in this in this water
which does have a lot of gators, or just get
sent home to wherever and maybe try to come back
in the United States some other time or find some
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other place to live. You know what, It's not like
people are being sentenced to life in prison here is
what I'm saying. So you don't need the same level
of deterrence to get into that water, do you know
what I mean? If you were in Alcatraz and you
were serving a life sentence, you know, maybe your risk
swimming to shore or not. Maybe you decide it's worth
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worth a go. If you're waiting a few days before
you get deported to I don't know, Guatemala or where,
probably just get on the plane and figure things out later.
I'm not sure that I would take the risk of
going chest deep in the Everglades. I'm gonna take you,
Laura and the boys, by the way, on an alligator
Everglades tour. I've been telling you this alllong. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
That would be really really cool.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's really cool. The Everglades is actually beautiful. It's a
really pristine and amazing wilderness area.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And alligators and you get up close to them are
incredible animals. They're a little bit like dogs.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I have been obsessed with alligators my whole life, so
I find them to be utterly fascinating and uh actually
way more interesting than sharks, because you're more likely to
be around fresh water on a regular basis than you
are the ocean generally speaking. And I just I love
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this idea, and I think what it speaks to is
now that the big beautiful bill has passed and they
have to go back and the House has to get
involved in everything else. I think that many of the
Trump policies are going to be officially underway, and again
I would suggest that the pivot at this point needs
to be to let's unlock the full growth rate and
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potential of the American economy, because that's what will ultimately
make this bill a one that really kind of gets
everything firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And this is why I think the just the border
issue alone, for me and the funding and the components
of this bill that deal with the border, if you
get nothing else but that, it's worth passing this bill
because if you don't get that under control, nothing else matter.
First of all you want for conservatism, you keep letting
the third world come in by the tens of millions conservatism.
(31:44):
Good luck with that, and you're not going to have
a country left to fight for in the in the
first place. So yeah, these other things, they're structural, they're
long term. I get it on the numbers, m clay,
and I've been doing this for fifteen years. It's just yes,
you're you know, it's going to go back to the
House now, and we're gonna hear chip Row and some people.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And I like these people.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm not putting, but you know it's they're gonna they're
gonna sign off on this. So we're gonna hear some
some chirping about some things, and we already know the things,
and then the tru and then Trump's gonna sign it,
and it's gonna be great independency a weekend for everybody.
So I just it's like the debt ceiling fights. I
just wish we could skip all the nonsense and everyone
could just be, uh, you know, honest about what's really
going to happen here. What we're not gonna We're not
(32:24):
going to enact the Trump agenda as a Republicans, you know,
we're not actually going to allow him to secure the border.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Come on, and I think the other part of this
that is super important is the tax cuts are set
to expire, so if there is not action taken, then
everybody in the whole United States is going to see
their tax rate increase, which is exactly what Democrats would want.
So the ultimate policy in place has to be continued
the tax cuts going forward, otherwise we're gonna get the
(32:53):
largest tax increase in history starting at the first of
the year.
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Speaker 2 (35:25):
Nine, Democrats hate America?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
What a shot? Yes, yes, Democrats do in fact hate America.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
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clam Buck. You know nothing about gators and crocs. Crocs
will chase you on land with speeds. I didn't say
they won't chase you. I just had an able bodied Bob.
I'm just faster than you are, Buddy. I don't know
what to tell you, Okay, i'd smoke you in a
foot race. And he says gators are active during the day.
(35:55):
I know, I said they primarily hunt at night. We
got to listen for the words here, folks, gotta listen
for this specific words.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
My point is just if you run it diagonals, and
if the alligator stays committed to going straight, you're gonna
run right.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Back into the alligator. So the diagonal thing is preposterous.
That's just a wive that's not a real thing, all right,
You just mean run. It relies on the fact that
the alligator is going to be chasing you. But again,
my point is just diagonal is not actually taking you
further away from the alligator. If the alligator keeps running
at a straight line, well yeah, well so you're supposed
to zigzag, is the point. So you're using like your
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your lateral movement, you know, in order to escape because
it had this thing. If you don't move fast, it's
gonna get you. It's gonna bite your ass. So you
gotta move fast. That's that's the real important safety tip.
Run faster than the alligator.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It is big, it is beautiful, and it is now law.
The Big Beautiful Bill has just moments ago passed in
the United States. Sent Okay, I know Trump has to
sign it, but you know it's happening. Trump's going to
sign this big beautiful bill. So the big beautiful Bill
has gone through. It will be on the President's desk.
(00:32):
This is huge.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It is huge.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We will get into some of the final items that
were in this. We will discuss some of the no votes.
There were some no votes. We'll also talk about how
Elon Musk, formerly of DOGE fame pretty unhappy with the
situation here of the five trillion dollar debt ceiling rays.
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Still potentially bucked a little bit of drama because I
think the House will now have to come back and
agree to something.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Side I got ahead of myself there too excited, too excited,
So there will there will be some drama that's in reconciling.
It's going to go through the House has already passed it.
It's going to go through. But thank you for the yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So early for me for the nerdy edition where there
will continue to be drama.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
First, how is that going to take though?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't know, I I I just we have not
spent a ton of time on the minute by minute
because we knew that this was going to pass and
it will pass on some level. Uh, but they still
have some maneuvering. I think Trump wants it by July fourth, right,
is the ideal day that he would sign it, which
is Friday, And so I imagine that they are hoping
(01:46):
that the House will sign off on the changes made
by the Senate at some point in time in the
next several days. But that's the timeframe. Uh so that
is the last drama to be had before this thing
is officially signed get an underway, which it's.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Not gonna mean. It's not gonna mean drama. I mean
they're gonna you know what I mean, Like, come on,
what's the drama gonna be, clay Someone's really the Republicans
aren't going to actually do the thing that they've already
said they were gonna do. I don't I don't see it,
but yes, procedurally speaking, they have to reconcile it.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the House, as the set of the Senate, says,
how's that. Okay, So let's get into what is in
the big beautiful bill, which I do believe is its
official is its official name. I'm just seeing now. I
think it happened so recently, Clay, that all the the
news sites live and in real time here are still updating.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Past as we came on the air like that is, yes,
the second absolute latest breaking news.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's why I got all excited. Okay, so it was
happening in real time. We got to open the show with, ah,
it has past. The said it fifty one fifty, and
JD Vance had to step in to uh write, Jade Vance,
I'm reading this in real time because it just happened.
Just you understand, this wasn't like an hour. What happened
seconds or minutes ago. Three Republicans ran Paul of Kentucky,
(03:06):
Tom Tillis of North Carolina, not running next year. Susan
Collins of Maine joined Democrats to vote against the bill.
Paul opposed the legislation's five trillion dollars debtlimit, et cetera. Okay,
so Susan Collins not a surprise, Ran Paul being Ran Paul,
Trump's probably gonna have some truths for him that are
not very nice. And Tom tillis here. Lisa Murkowski was
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the final piece. She backed the bill after discussions with
Thune twenty four hours of motions and amendments. Senate Republican
leaders altered the bill right up to the final moments.
So this was this was down to the wire, everyone
to get the things they wanted to get into in here.
Hundreds of billions for border security, national defense, increased budget
(03:54):
deficit by about three point three trillion through twenty thirty four. Yeah,
look it's I'll tell you, the White House is very
excited about this. I think the economy is going to
look really good as a result of this, or rather,
there's going to be a lot of good things that happened. Clay,
we knew it would get through. Yeah, tie breaking vote
(04:15):
from JD. Van So it was a close run thing here.
We knew it would get through. It's getting through now. Okay,
the House reconciles it on their end. What are your
thoughts as we sit here and bask in the glow
of MAGA another win up on the board.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I think the big question is going to be
how fast can the economy grow? So, now that this
bill is done, the ability to grow the economy is
how we end up keeping from having to massively increase
the overall debt, and so that is my biggest question.
(04:54):
Can we get this economy moving at three percent growth
doesn't sound found outrageous to me, but it is better
than we have been growing the economy over the past
decade or so fifteen years on average, And so to me,
the biggest question out there is how fast can we
grow the economy? To me, the secondary question on this
(05:17):
is can we get the FED to lower interest rates?
Our interest rates are about two percent above where the
EU is right now at four point two five four
point five. You guys can correct me in the studio
if I get the percentages wrong. I think the numbers
need to be around two and a half frankly where
the EU is. If that were to happen, then mortgage
(05:39):
rates and theory are going to come back. That would
unlock the housing market, which is I think the most
frozen aspect of the American economy right now. So many
of you got the two and a half or three
percent fifteen and thirty year mortgages. Congrats, but it's been
several years and we accelerated those so rapidly. Ye, lots
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of people are unwilling to sell their homes or move
despite changing life circumstances because the difference between a two
and a half and a three and a seven percent
mortgage rate is so massively substantial. If that starts to
get unfrozen, then I think a lot of the other
aspects of the economy will start to fire on all cylinders.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So the House Freedom Caucus, I was asking, who's going
to cause drama here? I was all excited, like, Okay,
this is finally happening. We're looking at a holiday coming
up here, a great holiday weekend. Country's kicking ass. Things
going really well. House Freedom Caucus says, and this is
as of the last twenty four hours. House budget framework
was clear. No new deficit spending in the One Big
(06:41):
Beautiful Bill. The Senates version adds six hundred and fifty
one billion to the deficit, and that's before interest costs,
which nearly double the total. That's not fiscal responsibility, that's
not what we agreed to. The Senate must make major
changes and should at least be in the ballpark of
compliance with the House Budget Framework. H Are they really
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going to do this? Are they going to do this?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think they're gonna be some drama associated with this,
and I think ultimately everybody if.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The drama is just so they get attention and then
they let this go through, they're just being annoying.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm just gonna say this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because we've already we've already had this discussion.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I get it. This is the best you're gonna get.
And there's people out there who are gonna say, Look,
Rand Paul's right about the deficit. I think he is.
Chip chip Roy is right about the deficit. I think
he is. This is the best bill that's going to
pass and you just saw. I have yet to see
anyone come up with a bill that could get passage
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in the Senate and the House and do as much
of this bill does. Politics is the art of the possible.
I get people out there that are upset about the debt,
the deficit. I am Look. The reality is nobody wants
to address the fact that entitlement spending, Social Security, and
medicare make it virtually impossible to largely restrict the size
(08:07):
of the federal government. And as soon as you mentioned that,
we get flooded and every politician does with Hey, that
money is mine, I want it back. And so the
structural issues we have at play here, and this is
a challenge, and I don't want to be the want
walk guy, but the structural issues we have in play
(08:27):
is there are way more older people now than there
are younger people in many advanced countries in the world,
and entitle what programs are predicated on there being way
more younger people than there are older people. And if
you are around our age, the math doesn't add up
for us to get the Social Security dollars back that
(08:48):
we put in. And that's just the reality, without adjusting
based on retirement ages, based on just looking at population tables,
I presume that I'm going to get virtually nothing from
Social Security. That's me. I'm forty six. You know, people
can start taking Social Security. I think it's sixty two,
so I'm not that far away. Well, I don't think
(09:09):
it's going to be there. This is why I find
the whole thing frustrating.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And I appreciate that Rand Paul wants to Senator Paul
wants to have his voice heard on this, and mathematically
he's right, but politically he's wrong because no one's going
to do anything about this right now, and there's no
willingness among the American people, even people who say they
want to tackle the debt to do it. It's like
having a debt ceiling fight. It's a fake fight because
we always raise the debt ceiling, and then if they default,
(09:35):
they don't really Rather there's discussion about default, they're not
really going to default. So it just becomes tiresome and
you lose. It's the boy who cried wolf. You lose
public interest, and I think that, yeah, until people want
to talk about entitlements just to keep spending the money
we have to spend to achieve the priorities of the
Republican Party. If we don't have a secure border and
we don't deal with the illegal immigration issue, we Medicare
and social security in thirty years is going to be
(09:57):
the least of our problems because we're not gonna have
a country. More so, the hundreds of billions of dollars
that are going toward border security and the deportation efforts
of the illegals who pile them. Under Biden, it's absolutely essential.
A lot of the things that are covered in the
big beautiful bill are going to be I believe rocket
fuel for the economy. Growth is also really important. Remember
(10:19):
nobody's factoring in that Trump wasn't I should say, factoring
in Trump's tariffs into financial and fiscal matters for the country.
It's already one hundred and twenty billion dollars and it's
just getting going. So you know, there are other pathways
maybe that could be considered here that might make the
situation better. Now that I mean I did, I'll say,
I know that Trump had to sign it, sol I've forgotten.
(10:40):
Now the House has to reconcile on their side for
a second, and I think they're just gonna do what
they did. We're gonna get a bunch of windy speeches
about the debt, the debt, the debt, and then they're
gonna and then they're gonna vote for it. I don't
understand what's We all get it. We all understand there's
nothing else to be said until until you want to
deal with entitlements. Everybody, you don't want to deal with
the debt. End of story, full stop, end of conversation.
(11:01):
And nobody wants to deal with entitlement. So let's just
do what we can to achieve the agenda we've got
while Trump's running things.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I think that there's going to be a recognition that
entitlement spending is out of control and everybody's gonna have
to get their benefits cut. And we should have we
should have a real conversation about Social Security and the
fact that it's actually not a very good deal and
(11:29):
most Americans just don't really look into it because it's
been established for a long time. The government takes your money,
they give you a three percent return roughly on it,
and if you die, they'll never get it. You know
that this is all falling on deaf ears. People love
their people love social Security, and you know what the
problem is, Clay, the lunatic communists who are certainly right
(11:52):
now sitting around a lot of them praising the Mom
Donnie wing of the Democrat Party. They're not going to
get into what you're talking about. They're just gonna tell
people bull.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
They're taking your social Security, and then you lose, and
then the communists are in charge and then they ruin everything.
So this is true is the political reality of America
right now. And Trump sees it, and I that's why
I have my patience for this thing and my patients
even for beyond. Yeah, of course, hear it out. Make
the case, tell everybody the numbers. But standing in the
way of the Trump agenda because you say that you're
(12:22):
not getting the cuts you want. You're not getting the cuts. Okay,
it's not happening. You're you're not You're not actually going
to deal with the dead. It's thirty seven trillion dollars.
It's not happening.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
How many people do you think even understands for security?
What percentage of the American population?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean, they know that they get money when they're
when they're older, and they needed I mean, that's all
they care to know.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But the fact that it's an awful deal. And if
you got to keep your own money and you just
put it in index funds, you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Would people don't trust themselves. People don't They would spend it.
People would spend it on a jet ski and then
they'd say, oh, but I need help now. And you
know this is the this is the problem. People want.
Everybody wants somebody else to pay for their stuff. Realizing
that they're the ones paying for the stuff. They think
is coming from other people.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think the biggest challenge is it's so embedded now
that most people don't even examine the underlying concept, which
is basically a big pyramid scheme, and it's predicated on
there always being way more young people than there are
old people. And we're not in that era anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Clay, the average person pays in to medicare less than
half of what they take out of Medicare in terms
of the actual cost of their care.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But if you tell.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Anybody that you're gonna change Medicare, you know what they say,
I paid for that. It's not welfare, it's an entitlement.
I've paid for it. I deserve it. Okay, Well, if
I give you money for one ice cream cone, but
you keep giving me two ice cream cones, you're going
to run out of ice cream cones. Nobody wants to
hear it. And honestly, I'm excited about the border. I'm
excited about saving the country. I'm excited about the Trump
(13:53):
agenda being funded. You know, I'm with Stephen Miller on
this stuff. Man, Like, we got to save the country now,
so we'll figure out the debt later. When people want
to have big boy conversations about it. They don't actually
the American poser want to have the conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The answer then becomes, the growth rate is everything, yep,
because the growth rate of the country is what can
turn this into a net positive bill. So if you
are optimistic on AI, if you want to unleash individual
American meritocracy, if we ever got the country growing at
four percent again, all of these issues vanish basically, right
(14:31):
a four percent a year, four percent a year, four
percent a year. We're growing at like one point five
percent a year, one point eight percent a year. The
overall growth rate of the American economy is the key.
If overall spending is not going to be addressed, and
there doesn't seem to be a political will unfortunately, as
you and I believe there should be. If you look
(14:51):
at just the basic books, the political will isn't there
to address the spending, and so we live in match.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
You to Understandercent, it's not convincing Republicans to tackle the debt.
It's dealing with the fact that Democrats will call you heartless,
you know, ruthless, throwing old ladies off their Medicare and
taking away social Security from hardworking Americans so they can
seize power and act like communist maniacs. That's the problem.
(15:19):
So this is it's not just like we're having a
talk on our side.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And also the concept of cut, which the media I
think does a poor job of slowing the rate of growth,
is not a cut. It's still a growth. But they
have managed to create this idea, well, we're going to
dial back the growth of the of the of the
overall spending, and that is seen as a cut. Oh
you're cutting spinning, No, spinning, still growing, it's just not
(15:44):
growing at the same rate. And honestly, I think a
lot of this is just communication failure. I don't think
people know the details. I think a lot of people
don't care to know the details.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Spoiler alert. It's going to pass and Trump's gonna end
up signing it, and everyone who's chirping about this from
the Congress in the meantime is going to go along
with what's basically there. Just throw it out there for everybody.
But the debt is not being dealt with, that is
for sure. And that is why the Bricks conference is
so interesting. It's going on next week right around this
time for zill Russia, India, China. You know what they're
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trying to do, get off the dollar as the world's
reserve currency. Why does that matter, Well, that would be
a huge lifestyle change for all Americans if that happens,
and as it happens over time, it means that we
can't fund the things that we fund right now with
money printing the same way because other countries aren't going
to buy our debt and we can't just print our
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Trump is down at Alligator Alcatraz. We'll have some some
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Brian Mudd will be guest hosting on Thursday Friday, Best
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
You may have heard of this one President Trump went
down to today. It is a reference to a new
holding facility set up here in the state of Florida
for illegal immigrants in the Everglades, which is actually quite
a lovely place. It is not a swamp in the
sense that people think of is fresh water is actually
(19:24):
quite clean. The aquifer there provides drinking water for those
of us down here in South Florida. Not home to
a lot of flamingos, despite what you may think or
may have said recently, but a lot of alligators, that
is for sure. And I'm surprised I didn't get lit
up on this one, Clay, because you brought up the
crocodile issue before. Yes, there are, it's the North American crocodile.
(19:45):
So there are crocodiles here, Yes, there are not that
many of them, but there are crocodiles in Florida. It
is a it is a particular type, the salt water crocodile,
even though the North American crocodile can go in salt water.
The saltwater crocodile refers to the very large one in Australia.
But the most dangerous is, in fact, the nile crocodile
(20:06):
when it comes to number of people killed. Now that
maybe not just the crocodile, maybe proximity to people in
certain countries. Anyway, that's have we gotten into our crocodilions?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Enough? Are we? Are we good?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I having been to Australia, I will say this, how
unfair is it that in Australia you have to be
concerned about crocodiles and sharks when you actually get in
the water at the beach. Doesn't it seem a little
bit unfair that you could be I think saltwater crocodiles
kill way more people in Australia than sharks do, but
(20:40):
it seems very unfair. Have you've seen some of those
videos of the saltwater crocodiles like just off the shore
in Australia where you can't even see them at all,
And yeah, I mean it seems I just think it
seems unfair to think that you could be attacked by
a crocodile while walking along the beach, which can't happen
in Austin.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Australia has recorded a total of forty four fatal fatal
crocodile attacks, so that's officially speaking. So it's it's usually
like a couple of year, I think is what they get,
one or two a year. It's a rough way to go.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
So why are we talking about this, Well, because the
President we agree on it's a rough way to get
it's a rough way to go.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You don't want, you know, they get into the death role.
They grab you, they spin you drown, you're being eaten.
It's not good. It's an unpleasant way to go. Uh,
the President's talking about this. This is We're not just
turning this into an episode of Wild Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
For no reason.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
President Trump came down here to the Great State of Florida.
In gosh, you know, I'm not that good at the
Florida pronunciations. Yet I have to admit there's some funky ones, Chipee,
is that right? Guys? I live here, but I don't
know all of the there's some there's some tough, tough
ways to I should just have Clay read them. Clay,
(21:52):
what do you think, ochipe One of the odds that
I'm going to correctly pronounce anything on this show, well,
at least then the pronunciation police will come for you.
Trump at Alligator Alcatraz here he is cut to play it.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's nice and the job they've done is fantastic. And
this is what you did. And Ron worked beauty play
with Christie and rob the people a homeland security and
he got it done.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Eight days of the new facility. Kind of heard it there.
He's saying, they set up It's fantastic. It happened very quickly.
They've got this thing going. Uh, eight days this facility
was up and running. So what they're saying is they're
gonna be able to hold they're gonna be able to
detain people in this it's uh, it's like an airstrip.
(22:44):
I've seen video of it. The Attorney general here, Attorney
General Uth Meyer did a video of this and this
way people can be taken right there detained, processed, and removed,
and a lot of them would be removed to countries
south of the United States. So South Florida is a
pretty convenient place to stage these these deportations from. And
(23:09):
Trump is going all in on this one. Clay He's
he showed up today to talk about it. He said,
this has cut six. He said, Uh, whatever you do
if you escape alligator Alcatraz, don't run in a straight
line alligator alfacratic.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Well, the idea that it doesn't another great, they don't
get any fill here or I guess that's the concept.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
This is not a nice business. I guess that's the
concept that you you know, the snakes are fast, but.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Alligators but wilding to teach them how to run away.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
From an alligator?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay, because they escaped prison, how to run away?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Don't run in a state line look like this, and
you know what, your chances go off for about one percent. Okay,
that's not a good thing.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
This is true. Do you know, Bucket, I've always wondered
about this. They say that you need to run because
alligators have great straight line speed, right, do you know this.
I've done the research.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
They're much they're much faster on land than people think
they are because they assume they're mostly u water, you know, aquatic.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So if you don't run in a straight line, your
odds are better because the alligator doesn't shift and change
direction very well. Here's the problem. If you run in
a diagonal, eventually you run back into the alligator. No
one ever have you thought about this, Like, if you
just run in zigzags, eventually you cross right back in
front of the alligator. What am I missing here? You're
(24:35):
hoping that the alligator is going to follow you on
the zigzags. The problem is if the alligator just keeps
running straight, you run right back into the alligator. So
I don't even under really understand the zigzag idea. You
understand what I'm saying, Like, if the alligator just stays
committed to his line, you just run right back into him.
But that's what they tell you to do.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think the zigzag maneuver. First
of all, if you try to zigzag, you might zag
when you should zee.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's what I'm saying, like right into the alligator. Like,
if the alligator stays committed to his line, he's gonna
eat you. No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I think you just run as fast as you can
if you're on land, but they're not gonna They're really
not going to chase you on land. Uh. What's dangerous
for people is when you are at the water's edge,
and that's where they'll do. You know, their their predatory behavior.
So if you're a small per, if you're a if
you're a pet or a kid, you know, if you're
(25:33):
a smaller person or sometimes elderly people. Unfortunately, what's happened
here in Florida, there have been a few fatalities in
the last few years, elderly people with a dog. The
alligator actually goes after their small dog and then they
try to defend the dog, and then the alligator goes
after the elderly person. That has happened, right, So if
you're an able bodied adult human on land, you're you're you're.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
In pretty good shape with a gator.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Uh, you definitely don't want to be I think someone
actually just was in a canoe and got flipped over
and killed you an alligator recently.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
That just happened.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So yeah, you don't want it. You don't want that
to happen either. That's very rare though, that was a
very big gator too, that was like a ten footer. Yeah,
the alligator Alcatraz. We said on this program, Trump is
gonna love this.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We know that Trump wanted to bring back Alcatraz, but
we knew that he would absolutely love this idea. And
it actually does make a lot of sense because the
initial idea behind Alcatraz was you spend less on having
to build walls and everything else because if somebody gets out,
they're done. For the idea that you're going to flee
(26:39):
through the swamp and get back to some form of
safety virtually zero, virtually zero percent chance of you being
able to escape and be safe, which means that your
requirement in terms of building walls and everything else is
actually diminished substantially. And I knew that he would love
the concept of the alligator Alcatraz. And I give credit
(27:03):
to the state of Florida for coming up with this
idea because nobody wants to try to swim across a
swamp to get away from anything. Even if your odds
of getting attacked by the alligator are low, your odds
of fleeing through the everglades are virtually non existent.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Safely in daylight. I'm just gonna say this. You know
you're you're probably gonna be okay getting away from the
get there. They're more nocturnal hunters nighttime. If your chest
deep in the Everglades, I wouldn't like that. I wouldn't
you know if you're.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Having the challenge is you don't really know because of
the sawgrass, where land is or how reliable it is
to be land. Right, So, in addition to the fact
that you're gonna have to constantly be wading through water,
it's gonna be hot, there's gonna be a lot of mosquitoes,
there's gonna be a lot of those pythons and anacondas. Now,
(27:56):
the challenge is everything that can live lives in the Everglades, right.
Florida is so hospitable to virtually all animal life that nowadays,
like you don't even know what you're gonna run into
some of those anacondas that they now have into pythons, pythons.
I think there are anacondas now, too, aren't there.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'll check.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't want to get anything wrong Florida. People will
light me up sam a fake flat.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I think basically, if you can have an animal and
it has you know, they say Hurricane Andrew is what
initially it was an android.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
There have been there have been sightings of pet green
ana condas that have been released into the I mean,
so yes, they're an introduced. But this is a little
bit like are there alligators in Harlem? No, but there
was a guy with an alligator in Harlem, New York,
like a long time ago, because he had it as
a pet. Right, it's a real story. There's a guy
with like I think he had an ocelot, an alligator,
(28:51):
like a bunch of things. So you know that can happen.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's so hospitable that if you release the pet, it
will survive. And so yeah, there are anacondas there. Certainly
there's tons of pythons, and the pythons have reproduced to
such an extent that they have huge python searches. Now,
your odds are getting out of the anaconda of the
alligator Alcatraz virtually zero.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, also, I mean what if your options are make
a run for it for alligator Alcatraz because you're an
illegal who's going to get sent back to your country,
make a run for it in this in this water
which does have a lot of gators, or just get
sent home to wherever and maybe try to come back
in the United States some other time or find some
(29:32):
other place to live. You know what, It's not like
people are being sentenced to life in prison here is
what I'm saying. So you don't need the same level
of deterrence to get into that water, do you know
what I mean? If you were in Alcatraz and you
were serving a life sentence, you know, maybe your risk
swimming to shore or not. Maybe you decide it's worth
(29:53):
worth a go. If you're waiting a few days before
you get deported to I don't know, Guatemala or where,
probably just get on the plane and figure things out later.
I'm not sure that I would take the risk of
going chest deep in the Everglades. I'm gonna take you,
Laura and the boys, by the way, on an alligator
Everglades tour. I've been telling you this alllong. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
That would be really really cool.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's really cool. The Everglades is actually beautiful. It's a
really pristine and amazing wilderness area.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And alligators and you get up close to them are
incredible animals. They're a little bit like dogs.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I have been obsessed with alligators my whole life, so
I find them to be utterly fascinating and uh actually
way more interesting than sharks, because you're more likely to
be around fresh water on a regular basis than you
are the ocean generally speaking. And I just I love
(30:50):
this idea, and I think what it speaks to is
now that the big beautiful bill has passed and they
have to go back and the House has to get
involved in everything else. I think that many of the
Trump policies are going to be officially underway, and again
I would suggest that the pivot at this point needs
to be to let's unlock the full growth rate and
(31:12):
potential of the American economy, because that's what will ultimately
make this bill a one that really kind of gets
everything firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And this is why I think the just the border
issue alone, for me and the funding and the components
of this bill that deal with the border, if you
get nothing else but that, it's worth passing this bill
because if you don't get that under control, nothing else matter.
First of all you want for conservatism, you keep letting
the third world come in by the tens of millions conservatism.
(31:44):
Good luck with that, and you're not going to have
a country left to fight for in the in the
first place. So yeah, these other things, they're structural, they're
long term. I get it on the numbers, m clay,
and I've been doing this for fifteen years. It's just yes,
you're you know, it's going to go back to the
House now, and we're gonna hear chip Row and some people.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And I like these people.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm not putting, but you know it's they're gonna they're
gonna sign off on this. So we're gonna hear some
some chirping about some things, and we already know the things,
and then the tru and then Trump's gonna sign it,
and it's gonna be great independency a weekend for everybody.
So I just it's like the debt ceiling fights. I
just wish we could skip all the nonsense and everyone
could just be, uh, you know, honest about what's really
going to happen here. What we're not gonna We're not
(32:24):
going to enact the Trump agenda as a Republicans, you know,
we're not actually going to allow him to secure the border.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Come on, and I think the other part of this
that is super important is the tax cuts are set
to expire, so if there is not action taken, then
everybody in the whole United States is going to see
their tax rate increase, which is exactly what Democrats would want.
So the ultimate policy in place has to be continued
the tax cuts going forward, otherwise we're gonna get the
(32:53):
largest tax increase in history starting at the first of
the year.
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Big beautiful bill passes the Senate. We'll see what happens
with reconciliation. That news as we started the program, I
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Speaker 2 (35:25):
Nine, Democrats hate America?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
What a shot? Yes, yes, Democrats do in fact hate America.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
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clam Buck. You know nothing about gators and crocs. Crocs
will chase you on land with speeds. I didn't say
they won't chase you. I just had an able bodied Bob.
I'm just faster than you are, Buddy. I don't know
what to tell you, Okay, i'd smoke you in a
foot race. And he says gators are active during the day.
(35:55):
I know, I said they primarily hunt at night. We
got to listen for the words here, folks, gotta listen
for this specific words.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
My point is just if you run it diagonals, and
if the alligator stays committed to going straight, you're gonna
run right.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Back into the alligator. So the diagonal thing is preposterous.
That's just a wive that's not a real thing, all right,
You just mean run. It relies on the fact that
the alligator is going to be chasing you. But again,
my point is just diagonal is not actually taking you
further away from the alligator. If the alligator keeps running
at a straight line, well yeah, well so you're supposed
to zigzag, is the point. So you're using like your
(36:30):
your lateral movement, you know, in order to escape because
it had this thing. If you don't move fast, it's
gonna get you. It's gonna bite your ass. So you
gotta move fast. That's that's the real important safety tip.
Run faster than the alligator.
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