July 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into a dynamic mix of breaking political news, economic analysis, immigration policy, and high-profile investigations. The hour opens with live coverage of a cabinet meeting led by President Donald Trump, who addresses the devastating Texas floods, economic developments, and border security. The hosts highlight the Trump administration’s claim that tariffs have generated over $100 billion in revenue, with projections of $300 billion more, challenging mainstream narratives about inflation and price hikes.
The discussion transitions into immigration enforcement, spotlighting Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass’s opposition to ICE operations in MacArthur Park. Clay and Buck critique sanctuary city policies and explore the broader economic impact of illegal immigration on housing costs, emergency room usage, and labor markets. They argue that removing illegal immigrants could lower rent prices and reduce strain on public services, reinforcing conservative immigration stances.
The hosts then tackle the controversial Jeffrey Epstein case following a DOJ memo release. Attorney General Pam Bondi addresses lingering questions about Epstein’s ties to intelligence agencies and the mysterious missing minute in jailhouse surveillance footage. While AG Bondi confirms Epstein’s suicide and denies knowledge of intelligence links, the hosts express skepticism and explore theories involving blackmail, foreign intelligence, and Epstein’s connections to elites like Prince Andrew and Les Wexner.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. Thanks for being with
us from all across this great land. Right as we're
speaking to you, of course, we are alive. President Trump
is holding a cabinet meeting. We were watching it right
until the moment we had to come on the air.
We are monitoring for the most important moment, so we
(00:22):
will bring you those. He's continuing to talk about a
range of subjects, the obviously President, addressing the terrible floods
in the Hill Country of Texas, also discussing that matters
having to do with the economy and the border. Specifically
on the economy that we've already seen one hundred billion
(00:45):
dollars come in of revenue to the Treasury as a
result of the Trump tariffs. The tariffs that we were
told would raise the price on everything, which does not
seem to have happened at all. And Scott Bessen's, his
Treasury Secretary, went on to say it is expected soon
that there will be more like three hundred billion dollars
that will come in to the Treasury as a result
(01:08):
of the Trump tariffs. Three hundred billion dollars a lot
of money even for this federal government. That's one hundred
billion in here, one hundred billion there. This is real money.
So I think it's interesting to see how the evolution
of the conversation around tariffs is moving so rapidly to
not only are tariffs failing to do the price gouging
(01:32):
price increases that we were told, but actually bringing money
into the Treasury Department. So I think that's particularly interesting.
We've also got some fantastic guest today, just to give
you a heads up about that. The Energy Secretary Chris
Wright will be with us. Let's talk about what mega
make energy great again? How about that. We're gonna talk
(01:52):
about energy and how this administration is all systems go
on and tapping into the incredible resources that this nation
has more so than ever, and getting rid of the
red tape and getting rid of the nonsense and getting
rid of the green new scam nonsense. So we'll discuss
(02:13):
that with Heim. We've also got Selena Zito, author and journalists.
She'll be with us. He's got a new book out
talking about the attempted assassination Donald Trump. Will discuss with
her what her research found. But Clay, I want to
start with this. Some very interesting things going on in
the immigration realm. First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass,
(02:35):
the mayor of Los Angeles, very upset and telling members
of Immigration and Customs enforcement that they need to stop
what they're doing, and by that she means stop enforcing
the law. They had an operation where they were going
through a park in Los Angeles and they were picking
up illegals. The details of this I'm still reading up
(02:59):
on specifically how many people, how many people they took
into custody. But they had this operation where they were
going to get illegals, and the mayor of Los Angeles
shows up and says that this needs it stuff. This
is her. This is that MacArthur Park. As federal agents
are raiding the area. This is cut four. Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
My comments is they need to leave, and they need
to leave right now.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Unacceptable. Uh No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave.
They're enforcing the law. Their federal agency has no authority
to stop them, to order them to do anything to them.
And if she tries, she's breaking federal law, which Los
Angeles is still a part of the United States and
therefore falls under federal jurisdiction, and there's just none of
(03:51):
this nonsense that we should be accepting. I want to
get into also some of the way the rhetoric that's
out there is creating. I saw those two ambush attempts.
One time a ICE member shot in the neck. We'll
talk about that in a second Clay. They really think
that the law doesn't count somehow in these sanctuary cities,
(04:11):
that there's some argument to be made that federal law
has no real bearing on what's going on, just because
they say so. This is a very important moment in
the rule of law for this country.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, and again it goes to the very basics of
the supremacy clause, which is why I don't really even
understand what the attempt is here. The United States president
controls immigration law. And so we had this discussion because
Gavin Newsom, remember when he was making a big show
(04:45):
of hey, the president doesn't have the ability to call
out the guard here in the state of California, And
there was one federal District court judge that agreed, and
then it immediately got slapped down by the Ninth Circuit,
and we came on and said, this is kind of
a foundational issue it is a foundational issue that the
president of the United States has control over immigration law
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across the entirety of the country, whether it's a blue
state or a blue city or not. And a part
of me thinks, and tell me if, because I'm trying
to think of this strategically, the only way this makes
sense is if you just are desperate to be arrested
by the President of the United States because that helps
(05:32):
you politically when it comes to your standing in the
Democrat Party. This in no way actually benefits the city.
It certainly doesn't benefit the state. Look, have you ever
seen a study on this, because I would love to
see a study on this. Mom, Donnie got elected in
New York City and I see these as all connected,
or got the nomination for the Democrat Party in New
(05:55):
York City for the mayorship by basically arguing rent is
too expensive, we need to rent, freeze rent, and really
he argued products are too expensive. Life is too expensive
in New York City. You lived in New York City
for a while, I don't know what the numbers would reflect.
Jd Vance made this argument a bit on the debate
(06:16):
against Mike Walls Tim Walls, and then it got shot
down didn't get much attention beyond that, what would it
do to rent if there were no illegal immigrants in
New York City?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, I believe that the laws of supply and demand
still matter even when Democrats wish they wouldn't. So, yes,
there would be more housing that would open up. This
is true in New York City, this is true nationwide.
The same way that they say, who's going to work
in the meat plant once the illegals have been removed
from it? Americans? That's actually what happens. That's how supply. Yeah,
(06:52):
this has been fascinating because the rhetorical question that they
think they're asking actually has an answer. Who's going to
take these jobs? Americans who get paid on the books
and a real wage.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So I would love the fact that we've never really
seen a study, and maybe some of you have if
we have. According to Tom Holman, twenty million illegals in
the United States. That's what he told me a couple
of months ago. He thought was the actual number. Now
some of you are going to say, hey, I think
it's thirty, or I think it's forty or whatever the
number is. Tom Holman said twenty. So I'm going to
(07:24):
use twenty as a rough approximation, those numbers are overwhelmingly
slotted in cities like New York, Chicago, and LA. What
would rents do if you just eliminated illegal immigrants from
the rental universe? To your point, natural laws of supplying
demand would suggest they would come down substantially.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It's even worse than that. Unfortunately, the city of New
York has some of the most oppressive and anti anti
property owner laws in the entire country. And there's also
rent control, which is just a government mandated spoil system
that people abuse. And I'm sorry if some people live
(08:05):
in rent control department's good for you, but you're actually
kind of milking the system. That's just the truth I had.
I you know, my first my girlfriend when I was
in high school, she lived in a rent control department.
And when her parents told me what she was paying,
I remember I was like, Wow, that's like a couple
hundred bucks a month for a huge apartment. I was like,
that's weird. So look, it's it's a spoil system and
(08:27):
it artificially raises the cost of housing the same way
that illegal immigration raised the cost of housing. Here's here's
another one, Clay, They estimate, and they have pretty good
numbers on this because they have to build people. Thirty
percent of emergency room visits in New York City last
(08:47):
year were illegal immigrants. Thirty Yeah, So if thirty percent
of the er visits are illegals, now, I know you say, oh,
but they don't have access to frontline care. That's why
they're going. Yeah, but what would happen if you didn't
have those illegals. You'd have a whole lot more er capacity,
wouldn't you. You'd have much shorter er weights, wouldn't you.
The same concepts, the same ideas apply to housing, apply
(09:10):
to employment, apply because supply and demand is a real thing.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Which is why I think Republicans should start making that argument,
because there are a lot of people out there who
feel like goods cost way more than they used to,
and that's the function of inflation. Inflation comes down, it
doesn't ever go away. It's like putting on weight. You
eventually have to you know, you don't ever get typically
(09:36):
negative cost of goods. So you're trying to get around
two percent a year, it's still going to add up.
I saw our friend Jesse Kelly shared something that since
COVID one hundred thousand dollars today one hundred thousand dollars
in twenty twenty. You need one hundred and twenty five
k today to have the same purchasing power. Basically, everything
(10:00):
costs about twenty five percent more than it did in
twenty twenty, which is a function of inflation, because we
judge inflation on a year to year basis, not on
a multi year basis, so that nine percent inflation got
perpetually embedded, and so really goods have increased in value
by about the cost of them has increased by about
twenty five percent just over the last five years.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And you look at what happens when the government starts
playing this game of influencing the numbers in the market,
whether it's for housing or employment, playing these games by
allowing the legal immigrants to get you know, work papers
and all these things, it has tremendous costs. Obamacare, this
has been largely forgotten, was supposed to bring down the
(10:46):
cost of healthcare. Everybody do you remember that? Does anybody remember?
That was the big promise. Yeah, you're all going to
be covered covered quote unquote, but it's going to bring
on the cost of healthcare. It didn't do that healthcare
is actually just getting more expensive all the time. It's
super heavily regulated and it is more expensive. Kind of
like housing stock in Los Angeles. Very hard to build
(11:09):
new homes in LA new apartment buildings a million different
environmental and union and local regulations. Same thing is true
in New York City. These places are infringing on the
market and causing huge problems. So yes, with the illegals,
despite what Mayor Bass says, they're called illegals once again
for a reason because they're breaking the law. And I
(11:31):
think Tom Homan really got to this when he said
that they're arresting non criminals. He's like, they're not allowed
to be here. The whole point is that this is
cut ten. He's like, we're arresting the people who are
not supposed to be in the United States. That is
the fundamental problem. Yeah, and that cut ten.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Great country. Legally, you're not off the table. I mean
people are actually people are you know saying we're resting
non criminals. Well, during the country leagally, that's our job
and we total ice agents in the process going out,
but from the bad guy. And this is the problem
sanctuary cities. When we go to the community to go
find a criminal. Many times you're with others, others that
may not be a criminal target, but they're in the
United States illegally, they're coming to We're going to force
(12:10):
immigration law. Unlike the last administration, where Secretary of majorca
is instructured ice. You can't arrest an illegal alien for
simply being here at legally. They got to be arrested
being convicted of a serious criminal offense. He me wrote
the law. That's not what the law says. We're going
to force law. That's what the people put President Trump
in office to do, and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Enforce the law. And we have shut down the border.
But again, if you take Tom Homan at his word,
and there's twenty million illegals here, even at three thousand
deportations a day, it would take decades to get that
twenty million out of the country.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
That's the reality.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
It's why Tom Holman just said, hey, we need to
bump those numbers up to seven thousand a day. We'll
talk more about this, but I do think the only
thing that makes sense for Karen Bass is she's hoping
to get arrested. Gavin Newsom's hoping to get arrested. He
actually call for it because they see it as ultimately
beneficial in the Democrat party, even if it's actually detrimental
to their city and state, which is a sad place
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We said
that Trump is in a cabinet meeting UH, and that
is going on right now. But the awfulness of the
flood that happened in Texas continues to to be explored,
to be taken to be examined, and Trump has tried
(14:46):
to stay out of the way, and to the extent
that any of you are in that area, they have asked, Hey,
the money is significant, but please don't be sending drones
up into the sky because they had a conf licked
a collision between a helicopter that was trying to save
people and drones. But I mean, just get out of
(15:07):
the way, right unless you are in the in the
the UH, in the safety universe, the first responder universe.
And Trump has made that decision himself and he has said,
I want to make sure things calm down that they
have done everything they can to rescue as many people,
they have stabilized that situation, and then he is going
to go in and bring the media spotlight to that
(15:28):
area to help the recovery process that now is going
to happen on Friday. And here he is just announcing
that he will be going down on Friday.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Listen, I'll be going down on Friday with first Lady,
be taking a trip, and we don't want to get
in anyone's way, because you know, that's what happens if
president goes and everyone's around focused on I don't want
anyone to focus on us.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
But as possible they could have, they could have somebody saved. Still,
you know, there's a lot of areas, it's a big area,
and you know, probably unlikely at this point, but there
could be. I mean, they're thinking there could be the possibility.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
But what a tragic situation.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay, So he is going to go in on Friday.
We were just talking off air, and we'll probably talk
about it some more during the course of today's program.
The amount of toxicity surrounding this, it's rare that I'm
surprised on social media the number of people that are
either directly blaming Trump for the death of kids, or
(16:31):
even celebrating in some way. I can't believe the number
of people I've seen. It's just it's dark and sinister
in a way that is even strange for me. On
social media, there's a viciousness that is indicative of psychopathy
in the comments that I've seen as well, Meaning, these
are deranged individuals. And you know, we didn't want to
(16:56):
spend any time talking about the politicization of it yesterday,
but it's it's even a level beyond the you know,
the usual imbeciles will say something stupid about climate change,
which has nothing to do, you know, nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They'll say that those kinds of things. But to your point, Clay,
we would think that even people who are politically deranged
about Trump wouldn't be deranged in their response to the
just absolutely soul crushing deaths of young girls at a
summer camp. There's a lot of evil out there, and
and it is it is consolidated on the ideological left.
(17:33):
I'm I and we'll talk more about that in other
context today as well. That's what I see going on.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Here, no doubt, and uh, and we're gonna help to
continue to raise money and attention for all the people
as they recovered down in the Texas Hill Country and
the Curville and beyond.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh, but that will keep you updated. Look, the BBB
has passed, which is great for the economy, but as
you know, we're raising the debt ceiling five trillion dollar dollars.
We're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. The printing is
gonna happen. Clay just talked about how you're now neeting
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this buying power just five years ago. What can you
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(18:57):
and Buck. We got President Trump with a meeting that
is still underway as we speak to you. We told
you to bring you the most important moments of it.
One of the things we can do for you is
bring you the stuff you need to know and save
you some time in the process because the long meeting.
But we have our team monitoring and we're going through
these clips in real time. And that includes a discussion
that just happened moments ago with President Trump and his
(19:21):
cabinet surrounding him and some reporters asking about the Sunday
evening Epstein memo from the DOJ let's Trump and bond
and ag Bondi Attorney General Pam Bondi both responded on
this issue. Let's hear first from President Trump on Epstein
Plate twenty nine and your memo and release his jam
(19:44):
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
It lets some lingering mysteries of one of the biggest
ones is whether he ever worked for a American for
foreign intelligence agency. The former Laker secretary who is Miami,
he was attorney Now say a leisuredly said that he
did for intelligence agency.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So could you resolve whether or not you did?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
And also could you see why there was a minute
missing from the jail house step.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, sir, I just interested.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey and Epstein? This guy's
been talked about for years. You're asking me. We have Texas,
we have this, we have all of the things, and
are people still talking about this guy, this creep that
is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And do you feel like answering?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I don't mind answering.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
at Epstein at a time like this where we're having
some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what
happened in Texas.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It just seems like a desecration.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But like, what do you make of that response?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, I think Pam Bondi answers as well. Uh in
more earnest, So let's listen to that and then we'll
break it down to me.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It sounds like Trump is not.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Spending much time I'm on Epstein, and so that he's
maybe not aware of how big of a story this
has been on social media, because sometimes I will criticize
media people who ask questions and you'll say, come on,
there's four billion things that mattered. This is far down
the list. This asking you a question about Epstein today
(21:20):
to the Attorney General seems very relevant given that they
just announced and put out.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They just put out, they just put out the memo.
So Pam BONDI, let's get here. The age does now. Look,
I think Trump is honestly, he talks more about the
Texas thing. I think he's he feels for what's gone
on here and his mind is there, and that is
right now, a far more important story and far more
you know, necessary for us to get all the details
(21:47):
and everything. But the Age. The Attorney General did address
the question about Epstein. Here's what she said, Play thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
In February. I did an interview on Fox and it's
been getting a lot of attention because I said, I
was asked a question about the client list, and my
response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed,
meaning the file along with the jk MLK files as well.
(22:15):
That's what I meant by that. Also to the tens
of thousands of video they turned out to be child
porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Childborn is what
they were never going to be released, never going to
see the light of day. To him being an agent,
I have no knowledge about that. We can get back
to you on that. And the minute missing from the video.
(22:36):
We released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive,
but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.
And what was on that there was a minute that was.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Off the counter.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And what we learned from your own prisons was every year,
every night they redo that videos old from like nineteen
ninety nine, So every night the video is reset and
every night should have the same minute missing. So we're
looking for that video to release that as well as
showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's
it on Epstein.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So there is a missing minute that's from the Attorney General. Well,
I don't know. I know she's saying there's a missing
minute every night, but people are gonna say, well, the
prison knew there was a missing minute every night from
the footage. Right, you know, we've all seen enough enough
cat burglar movies and stuff where if you know where
the cameras are and you avoid the you know what
I'm saying. Look, I'm not saying it's nefarious necessarily. I'm
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just saying the people that initially said there's a minute
missing were pounced on online for you know, conspiracy stuff.
And there's the Attorney General saying there is a minute missing,
it's missing every night. But why didn't we know that before?
That seems like a pretty important if your whole thing
is nobody could have gotten into the cell. Oh, but
there's a sixty second period where we have no evidence
(23:59):
of anything, but that happens every night, Clay. My point
here is that should have been in the memo.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
You.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The way this has been handled, at a minimum from
a messaging point of view, has created more problems than
it has solved. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Look, the Attorney General, in her answer to that Fox
News question, and I understand her saying it's on my desk,
was not.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I give her. I think that's so. I think she's
being honest on that. I think she just if you
listen to what she said, she meant, like, all the
Epstein stuff is on my desk, and you can yell
at me for covering for I don't cover for any
of these people. I think that's valid. I think there
are other problems though, which we're addressing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Look, I think they could have handled this if they
had come out and said, we have reviewed all of
the evidence and there is nothing else there from a
criminal perspective that is still in the files. I think
that people might accept it, but they would at least
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understand that these guys are doing everything they can, which
I believe. Again to your point, like I don't I've
never met Pambondy. I mean, to my knowledge, I don't
think she's ever coming on the radio program. Yeah no,
so I have no like defense mechanism set up for
Pambondy in any way. Uh, we like cash and we
(25:24):
like Dan Bongino. I'll speak to them directly.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I would.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
There's zero percent chance, in my opinion, that Dan Bongino
gave up a multi million dollar media gig so he
could go to the FBI and somehow not tell you
what he saw in the Jeffrey Epstein files. There is
a zero experiance. Completely agree and we know cash, well
zero percent chance on there. So you either are of
(25:51):
the opinion. I mean, I'm just gonna be straightforward with
everybody out there because some people. You're either of the
opinion that everyone that you used to trust before they
got into these jobs decided they got into these jobs
and they are going to cover up for Jeffrey Epstein
to create an even larger conspiracy, or or they have
(26:13):
looked at all of the existing documents and there's nothing
else there.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I am in the ladder camp. Okay, let me put
this out there, though I would have an addendum, an
asterisk to this. I mean, I I agree no one's
holding anything over dan in cash and making them protect
like a you know, global Epstein ring. Like I don't
buy that for one second, And I think that that's
unhelpful because some people do buy that, and they're going
(26:39):
to be like, we're we're that.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, the conspiracy never ends. We all desperately want to
protect Jeffrey Epstein and everybody he knew from having at somebody.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Here's what I will take a sanity pill. There's there's
you know, there's the question about being a foreign agent.
For example, with Epstein. This is a guy who was
hanging out with with as we know, with Bill Clinton
and Bill Gates. And this is a matter of public record, Okay,
hanging out with some of those powerful people in the world.
Are we really to believe that he actually didn't have
any contact with any I mean, Clay, you've been hanging
(27:14):
out with a former at least allegedly a former spy
for a long time, right, there's a lot of people
that are in the intel world. I bring this up
because given his contacts, given his international travel, given his access.
You'll notice ag Bondy didn't say he was not an
asset or he's not working with because I think she
(27:39):
realizes she may not know. I think it may have
been that's the part I believe. Well, but see, and
that's the part that may have been well covered up.
That's the kind of stuff. You know, Epstein was a
heinous criminal. Everyone understands that. I also I'm seeing people
say there's stuff online to who People saying, oh, well,
I guess Epstein. You know that. Why Why was Gelian
(28:00):
Maxwell in prison? Because they were involved in you know,
sex trafficking of underage underage kids, like hundreds and hundreds
of times. I mean, it's like the worst stuff imaginable,
and that's no one's doubting Epstein's guilt. No one's doubting
I should say nobody should be doubting these things right
based on the available evidence to it. But that doesn't
mean that all the questions have been answered. And that
(28:22):
doesn't mean the question about did he have any foreign
intelligence contacts or access? Maybe it wasn't as sophisticated as
a global blackmail ring to you know, direct policy, et cetera.
But I'm telling you heard the Attorney General there, and
she's being very careful now about her words. We have
no evidence to that effect. That's not the same she's
(28:44):
saying Epstein killed themselves. She's not saying Epstein, we know
for for sure had no foreign intelligence contacts, because that
would be quite a sweeping thing. So I'm saying there's
still that that remains an open part of this. And
I also people are saying that the where he got
his money from has been No that has not been
Has that been satisfactorily answered? I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I think I think a lot of people don't. Let
me take a step back, so one, I think he
probably was on some level intelligence asset I think those
files or whatever were likely destroyed. Maybe they were had
to be destroyed to be fair, to protect the identity
of some of the intelligence assets. I think he likely
(29:27):
blackmailed some of these rich guys and got money basically
paid out to him through this.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Now he also had.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
This like if you want to take a step back
and just say, hey, you know, why would he have
access to all these super rich guys. He had access
to all the victorious Secret models. He had access leave
aside the younger women. He had access to some of
the most beautiful women in the world because he was
in some sort of relationship I mean financial relationship with
(30:00):
the founder of Victoria's Secret Lex Wexner.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I believe it's last name.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I think, yes, okay, something like that, and he and
Epstein were tight, and I think Epstein ran hot models
and he hooked them up rich guys with being able
to hang out with hot models. I think also then
Epstein got involved in underage girl trafficking, meaning he was
(30:27):
flying underage girls because he was interested in super young
not super young, but like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old girls. Right,
I haven't seen anything about like eight or nine or
something like that like under eighteen young women, some of them,
but he had access to Victoria's Secret, supermodels, super rich guys.
Does it surprise you that Bill Clinton might have gotten
(30:50):
on the phone with Epstein? And Epstein said, Hey, you
know the girl who's on the cover of the latest
Victorious Secret fashion catalog.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
She's going to be at my party. She's going to
be at my house. Do you want to come hang
out with her? Like?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I think there was a lot of that. I think
there was a lot of I've got access to super
hot chicks and I'm going to put you with them now.
I think it's also possible that he then, with some
of the tapes and recording setups that he had in
his house, got very prominent men engaged in behavior that
(31:24):
they would never want to go public, and use that
to his advantage, potentially with intelligence assets, potentially for blackmail purposes,
maybe just to get sweetheart deals in business.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We have this data point of he brought a very
you know, a a minor on the plane to Prince Andrew.
According to that, I believe she's now passed away. It's
as sad, right, she didn't she die recently? I think, yeah,
but she alleged very publicly that her and Prince Andrew,
remember the Royal family, So we're being told, oh, no,
(31:58):
Epstein was the only one who who did any of this.
But we have the photo of the guy with the
girl and the allegation from the girl, and are we
to believe that she wasn't to be believed? Is that?
What did you see? What I'm saying? No, No, theuring women,
so to speak, trafficking for other people we knew he
(32:20):
had and he had access to Like you and I
if we wanted to get in touch with a member
of the royal family to hang out with, I don't
think we could do it.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
So he had access. I mean to we we were
pretty cool. We could probably I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Think I could get Prince well.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Like, my point is, I think the rich guys started
talking and they said, hey, Epstein's got access to a
bunch of super hot chicks sometimes Victoria's secret models through Wexner.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
And I think that he leveraged all of that to
his benefit. And it feels to me buck unlikely that
at some point, given the international connections, that there were
not some intelligence asset related to activity right.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's she will not she can she cannot confirm there
were no you know, she can't prove the negative, So
PANMBONDI is saying, I can't say there were no Intel
Intel connections. So that's part one. I think this thing
has been mishandled. There was a lot of over over promising.
That's part two. And I still have open questions about this,
and I'm not convinced that we know the whole story.
That's my part three. I think you and I see
this the same way largely, right. I mean, is there
(33:22):
anything that I'm going to know?
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Speaker 3 (34:58):
I've got the whole show with all my different offf
air theories. Uh, and I'll share some of those now,
which is always dangerous, but like the idea, let me
just kind of dive into this at its most basic level.
Why would all of these super famous people want to
hang out with Jeffrey Epstein? Like that is the number
(35:21):
one question that I think you can ask. Why are
all these guys Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, the Prince or
whatever the heck his name is over there, Prince Philip,
I think, unless I'm saying the Prince Andrew whatever that
guy's name, Yeah, sorry, you're the British.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
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Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think The Crown is an amazing show. And my
wife listens to an embarrassing number of British podcasts. It's
unbelievable to me. I walk in and every time she's
got a British podcast on. Why were they hanging out
with him? That's the number one question you should ask.
The answer is because he had access to really good
looking women, most of them, I think initially a lot
(36:08):
of times the Victoria's Secret models. Okay, that's why they
were hanging out. And Buck, you were a former CIA guy.
But this is not revolutionary all of you know it.
What's one of the number number, number one ways that
intelligence agencies get dirt on men, pretty nimbles, honey pot schemes.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Well, they either either blackmail them if they're married, or
they just get them to spill secrets, you know, with
pillow talk. But it's a huge risk to this day.
It has been for as long as people have been
doing intel ops.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Some would say it's the only undefeated thing that has
ever existed in the history of the world. And you
know what I'm talking about, That to me is actually
the story here. They were likely using him to get
advantages on these guys.
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. Thanks for being with
us from all across this great land. Right as we're
speaking to you, of course, we are alive. President Trump
is holding a cabinet meeting. We were watching it right
until the moment we had to come on the air.
We are monitoring for the most important moment, so we
(00:22):
will bring you those. He's continuing to talk about a
range of subjects, the obviously President, addressing the terrible floods
in the Hill Country of Texas, also discussing that matters
having to do with the economy and the border. Specifically
on the economy that we've already seen one hundred billion
(00:45):
dollars come in of revenue to the Treasury as a
result of the Trump tariffs. The tariffs that we were
told would raise the price on everything, which does not
seem to have happened at all. And Scott Bessen's, his
Treasury Secretary, went on to say it is expected soon
that there will be more like three hundred billion dollars
that will come in to the Treasury as a result
(01:08):
of the Trump tariffs. Three hundred billion dollars a lot
of money even for this federal government. That's one hundred
billion in here, one hundred billion there. This is real money.
So I think it's interesting to see how the evolution
of the conversation around tariffs is moving so rapidly to
not only are tariffs failing to do the price gouging
(01:32):
price increases that we were told, but actually bringing money
into the Treasury Department. So I think that's particularly interesting.
We've also got some fantastic guest today, just to give
you a heads up about that. The Energy Secretary Chris
Wright will be with us. Let's talk about what mega
make energy great again? How about that. We're gonna talk
(01:52):
about energy and how this administration is all systems go
on and tapping into the incredible resources that this nation
has more so than ever, and getting rid of the
red tape and getting rid of the nonsense and getting
rid of the green new scam nonsense. So we'll discuss
(02:13):
that with Heim. We've also got Selena Zito, author and journalists.
She'll be with us. He's got a new book out
talking about the attempted assassination Donald Trump. Will discuss with
her what her research found. But Clay, I want to
start with this. Some very interesting things going on in
the immigration realm. First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass,
(02:35):
the mayor of Los Angeles, very upset and telling members
of Immigration and Customs enforcement that they need to stop
what they're doing, and by that she means stop enforcing
the law. They had an operation where they were going
through a park in Los Angeles and they were picking
up illegals. The details of this I'm still reading up
(02:59):
on specifically how many people, how many people they took
into custody. But they had this operation where they were
going to get illegals, and the mayor of Los Angeles
shows up and says that this needs it stuff. This
is her. This is that MacArthur Park. As federal agents
are raiding the area. This is cut four. Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
My comments is they need to leave, and they need
to leave right now.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Unacceptable. Uh No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave.
They're enforcing the law. Their federal agency has no authority
to stop them, to order them to do anything to them.
And if she tries, she's breaking federal law, which Los
Angeles is still a part of the United States and
therefore falls under federal jurisdiction, and there's just none of
(03:51):
this nonsense that we should be accepting. I want to
get into also some of the way the rhetoric that's
out there is creating. I saw those two ambush attempts.
One time a ICE member shot in the neck. We'll
talk about that in a second Clay. They really think
that the law doesn't count somehow in these sanctuary cities,
(04:11):
that there's some argument to be made that federal law
has no real bearing on what's going on, just because
they say so. This is a very important moment in
the rule of law for this country.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, and again it goes to the very basics of
the supremacy clause, which is why I don't really even
understand what the attempt is here. The United States president
controls immigration law. And so we had this discussion because
Gavin Newsom, remember when he was making a big show
(04:45):
of hey, the president doesn't have the ability to call
out the guard here in the state of California, And
there was one federal District court judge that agreed, and
then it immediately got slapped down by the Ninth Circuit,
and we came on and said, this is kind of
a foundational issue it is a foundational issue that the
president of the United States has control over immigration law
(05:10):
across the entirety of the country, whether it's a blue
state or a blue city or not. And a part
of me thinks, and tell me if, because I'm trying
to think of this strategically, the only way this makes
sense is if you just are desperate to be arrested
by the President of the United States because that helps
(05:32):
you politically when it comes to your standing in the
Democrat Party. This in no way actually benefits the city.
It certainly doesn't benefit the state. Look, have you ever
seen a study on this, because I would love to
see a study on this. Mom, Donnie got elected in
New York City and I see these as all connected,
or got the nomination for the Democrat Party in New
(05:55):
York City for the mayorship by basically arguing rent is
too expensive, we need to rent, freeze rent, and really
he argued products are too expensive. Life is too expensive
in New York City. You lived in New York City
for a while, I don't know what the numbers would reflect.
Jd Vance made this argument a bit on the debate
(06:16):
against Mike Walls Tim Walls, and then it got shot
down didn't get much attention beyond that, what would it
do to rent if there were no illegal immigrants in
New York City?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, I believe that the laws of supply and demand
still matter even when Democrats wish they wouldn't. So, yes,
there would be more housing that would open up. This
is true in New York City, this is true nationwide.
The same way that they say, who's going to work
in the meat plant once the illegals have been removed
from it? Americans? That's actually what happens. That's how supply. Yeah,
(06:52):
this has been fascinating because the rhetorical question that they
think they're asking actually has an answer. Who's going to
take these jobs? Americans who get paid on the books
and a real wage.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So I would love the fact that we've never really
seen a study, and maybe some of you have if
we have. According to Tom Holman, twenty million illegals in
the United States. That's what he told me a couple
of months ago. He thought was the actual number. Now
some of you are going to say, hey, I think
it's thirty, or I think it's forty or whatever the
number is. Tom Holman said twenty. So I'm going to
(07:24):
use twenty as a rough approximation, those numbers are overwhelmingly
slotted in cities like New York, Chicago, and LA. What
would rents do if you just eliminated illegal immigrants from
the rental universe? To your point, natural laws of supplying
demand would suggest they would come down substantially.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It's even worse than that. Unfortunately, the city of New
York has some of the most oppressive and anti anti
property owner laws in the entire country. And there's also
rent control, which is just a government mandated spoil system
that people abuse. And I'm sorry if some people live
(08:05):
in rent control department's good for you, but you're actually
kind of milking the system. That's just the truth I had.
I you know, my first my girlfriend when I was
in high school, she lived in a rent control department.
And when her parents told me what she was paying,
I remember I was like, Wow, that's like a couple
hundred bucks a month for a huge apartment. I was like,
that's weird. So look, it's it's a spoil system and
(08:27):
it artificially raises the cost of housing the same way
that illegal immigration raised the cost of housing. Here's here's
another one, Clay, They estimate, and they have pretty good
numbers on this because they have to build people. Thirty
percent of emergency room visits in New York City last
(08:47):
year were illegal immigrants. Thirty Yeah, So if thirty percent
of the er visits are illegals, now, I know you say, oh,
but they don't have access to frontline care. That's why
they're going. Yeah, but what would happen if you didn't
have those illegals. You'd have a whole lot more er capacity,
wouldn't you. You'd have much shorter er weights, wouldn't you.
The same concepts, the same ideas apply to housing, apply
(09:10):
to employment, apply because supply and demand is a real thing.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Which is why I think Republicans should start making that argument,
because there are a lot of people out there who
feel like goods cost way more than they used to,
and that's the function of inflation. Inflation comes down, it
doesn't ever go away. It's like putting on weight. You
eventually have to you know, you don't ever get typically
(09:36):
negative cost of goods. So you're trying to get around
two percent a year, it's still going to add up.
I saw our friend Jesse Kelly shared something that since
COVID one hundred thousand dollars today one hundred thousand dollars
in twenty twenty. You need one hundred and twenty five
k today to have the same purchasing power. Basically, everything
(10:00):
costs about twenty five percent more than it did in
twenty twenty, which is a function of inflation, because we
judge inflation on a year to year basis, not on
a multi year basis, so that nine percent inflation got
perpetually embedded, and so really goods have increased in value
by about the cost of them has increased by about
twenty five percent just over the last five years.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And you look at what happens when the government starts
playing this game of influencing the numbers in the market,
whether it's for housing or employment, playing these games by
allowing the legal immigrants to get you know, work papers
and all these things, it has tremendous costs. Obamacare, this
has been largely forgotten, was supposed to bring down the
(10:46):
cost of healthcare. Everybody do you remember that? Does anybody remember?
That was the big promise. Yeah, you're all going to
be covered covered quote unquote, but it's going to bring
on the cost of healthcare. It didn't do that healthcare
is actually just getting more expensive all the time. It's
super heavily regulated and it is more expensive. Kind of
like housing stock in Los Angeles. Very hard to build
(11:09):
new homes in LA new apartment buildings a million different
environmental and union and local regulations. Same thing is true
in New York City. These places are infringing on the
market and causing huge problems. So yes, with the illegals,
despite what Mayor Bass says, they're called illegals once again
for a reason because they're breaking the law. And I
(11:31):
think Tom Homan really got to this when he said
that they're arresting non criminals. He's like, they're not allowed
to be here. The whole point is that this is
cut ten. He's like, we're arresting the people who are
not supposed to be in the United States. That is
the fundamental problem. Yeah, and that cut ten.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Great country. Legally, you're not off the table. I mean
people are actually people are you know saying we're resting
non criminals. Well, during the country leagally, that's our job
and we total ice agents in the process going out,
but from the bad guy. And this is the problem
sanctuary cities. When we go to the community to go
find a criminal. Many times you're with others, others that
may not be a criminal target, but they're in the
United States illegally, they're coming to We're going to force
(12:10):
immigration law. Unlike the last administration, where Secretary of majorca
is instructured ice. You can't arrest an illegal alien for
simply being here at legally. They got to be arrested
being convicted of a serious criminal offense. He me wrote
the law. That's not what the law says. We're going
to force law. That's what the people put President Trump
in office to do, and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Enforce the law. And we have shut down the border.
But again, if you take Tom Homan at his word,
and there's twenty million illegals here, even at three thousand
deportations a day, it would take decades to get that
twenty million out of the country.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
That's the reality.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
It's why Tom Holman just said, hey, we need to
bump those numbers up to seven thousand a day. We'll
talk more about this, but I do think the only
thing that makes sense for Karen Bass is she's hoping
to get arrested. Gavin Newsom's hoping to get arrested. He
actually call for it because they see it as ultimately
beneficial in the Democrat party, even if it's actually detrimental
to their city and state, which is a sad place
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We said
that Trump is in a cabinet meeting UH, and that
is going on right now. But the awfulness of the
flood that happened in Texas continues to to be explored,
to be taken to be examined, and Trump has tried
(14:46):
to stay out of the way, and to the extent
that any of you are in that area, they have asked, Hey,
the money is significant, but please don't be sending drones
up into the sky because they had a conf licked
a collision between a helicopter that was trying to save
people and drones. But I mean, just get out of
(15:07):
the way, right unless you are in the in the
the UH, in the safety universe, the first responder universe.
And Trump has made that decision himself and he has said,
I want to make sure things calm down that they
have done everything they can to rescue as many people,
they have stabilized that situation, and then he is going
to go in and bring the media spotlight to that
(15:28):
area to help the recovery process that now is going
to happen on Friday. And here he is just announcing
that he will be going down on Friday.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Listen, I'll be going down on Friday with first Lady,
be taking a trip, and we don't want to get
in anyone's way, because you know, that's what happens if
president goes and everyone's around focused on I don't want
anyone to focus on us.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
But as possible they could have, they could have somebody saved. Still,
you know, there's a lot of areas, it's a big area,
and you know, probably unlikely at this point, but there
could be. I mean, they're thinking there could be the possibility.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
But what a tragic situation.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay, So he is going to go in on Friday.
We were just talking off air, and we'll probably talk
about it some more during the course of today's program.
The amount of toxicity surrounding this, it's rare that I'm
surprised on social media the number of people that are
either directly blaming Trump for the death of kids, or
(16:31):
even celebrating in some way. I can't believe the number
of people I've seen. It's just it's dark and sinister
in a way that is even strange for me. On
social media, there's a viciousness that is indicative of psychopathy
in the comments that I've seen as well, Meaning, these
are deranged individuals. And you know, we didn't want to
(16:56):
spend any time talking about the politicization of it yesterday,
but it's it's even a level beyond the you know,
the usual imbeciles will say something stupid about climate change,
which has nothing to do, you know, nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They'll say that those kinds of things. But to your point, Clay,
we would think that even people who are politically deranged
about Trump wouldn't be deranged in their response to the
just absolutely soul crushing deaths of young girls at a
summer camp. There's a lot of evil out there, and
and it is it is consolidated on the ideological left.
(17:33):
I'm I and we'll talk more about that in other
context today as well. That's what I see going on.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Here, no doubt, and uh, and we're gonna help to
continue to raise money and attention for all the people
as they recovered down in the Texas Hill Country and
the Curville and beyond.
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Uh, but that will keep you updated. Look, the BBB
has passed, which is great for the economy, but as
you know, we're raising the debt ceiling five trillion dollar dollars.
We're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. The printing is
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is still underway as we speak to you. We told
you to bring you the most important moments of it.
One of the things we can do for you is
bring you the stuff you need to know and save
you some time in the process because the long meeting.
But we have our team monitoring and we're going through
these clips in real time. And that includes a discussion
that just happened moments ago with President Trump and his
(19:21):
cabinet surrounding him and some reporters asking about the Sunday
evening Epstein memo from the DOJ let's Trump and bond
and ag Bondi Attorney General Pam Bondi both responded on
this issue. Let's hear first from President Trump on Epstein
Plate twenty nine and your memo and release his jam
(19:44):
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
It lets some lingering mysteries of one of the biggest
ones is whether he ever worked for a American for
foreign intelligence agency. The former Laker secretary who is Miami,
he was attorney Now say a leisuredly said that he
did for intelligence agency.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So could you resolve whether or not you did?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
And also could you see why there was a minute
missing from the jail house step.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, sir, I just interested.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey and Epstein? This guy's
been talked about for years. You're asking me. We have Texas,
we have this, we have all of the things, and
are people still talking about this guy, this creep that
is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And do you feel like answering?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I don't mind answering.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
at Epstein at a time like this where we're having
some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what
happened in Texas.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It just seems like a desecration.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But like, what do you make of that response?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, I think Pam Bondi answers as well. Uh in
more earnest, So let's listen to that and then we'll
break it down to me.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It sounds like Trump is not.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Spending much time I'm on Epstein, and so that he's
maybe not aware of how big of a story this
has been on social media, because sometimes I will criticize
media people who ask questions and you'll say, come on,
there's four billion things that mattered. This is far down
the list. This asking you a question about Epstein today
(21:20):
to the Attorney General seems very relevant given that they
just announced and put out.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They just put out, they just put out the memo.
So Pam BONDI, let's get here. The age does now. Look,
I think Trump is honestly, he talks more about the
Texas thing. I think he's he feels for what's gone
on here and his mind is there, and that is
right now, a far more important story and far more
you know, necessary for us to get all the details
(21:47):
and everything. But the Age. The Attorney General did address
the question about Epstein. Here's what she said, Play thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
In February. I did an interview on Fox and it's
been getting a lot of attention because I said, I
was asked a question about the client list, and my
response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed,
meaning the file along with the jk MLK files as well.
(22:15):
That's what I meant by that. Also to the tens
of thousands of video they turned out to be child
porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Childborn is what
they were never going to be released, never going to
see the light of day. To him being an agent,
I have no knowledge about that. We can get back
to you on that. And the minute missing from the video.
(22:36):
We released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive,
but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.
And what was on that there was a minute that was.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Off the counter.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And what we learned from your own prisons was every year,
every night they redo that videos old from like nineteen
ninety nine, So every night the video is reset and
every night should have the same minute missing. So we're
looking for that video to release that as well as
showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's
it on Epstein.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So there is a missing minute that's from the Attorney General. Well,
I don't know. I know she's saying there's a missing
minute every night, but people are gonna say, well, the
prison knew there was a missing minute every night from
the footage. Right, you know, we've all seen enough enough
cat burglar movies and stuff where if you know where
the cameras are and you avoid the you know what
I'm saying. Look, I'm not saying it's nefarious necessarily. I'm
(23:38):
just saying the people that initially said there's a minute
missing were pounced on online for you know, conspiracy stuff.
And there's the Attorney General saying there is a minute missing,
it's missing every night. But why didn't we know that before?
That seems like a pretty important if your whole thing
is nobody could have gotten into the cell. Oh, but
there's a sixty second period where we have no evidence
(23:59):
of anything, but that happens every night, Clay. My point
here is that should have been in the memo.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
You.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The way this has been handled, at a minimum from
a messaging point of view, has created more problems than
it has solved. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Look, the Attorney General, in her answer to that Fox
News question, and I understand her saying it's on my desk,
was not.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I give her. I think that's so. I think she's
being honest on that. I think she just if you
listen to what she said, she meant, like, all the
Epstein stuff is on my desk, and you can yell
at me for covering for I don't cover for any
of these people. I think that's valid. I think there
are other problems though, which we're addressing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Look, I think they could have handled this if they
had come out and said, we have reviewed all of
the evidence and there is nothing else there from a
criminal perspective that is still in the files. I think
that people might accept it, but they would at least
(25:04):
understand that these guys are doing everything they can, which
I believe. Again to your point, like I don't I've
never met Pambondy. I mean, to my knowledge, I don't
think she's ever coming on the radio program. Yeah no,
so I have no like defense mechanism set up for
Pambondy in any way. Uh, we like cash and we
(25:24):
like Dan Bongino. I'll speak to them directly.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I would.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
There's zero percent chance, in my opinion, that Dan Bongino
gave up a multi million dollar media gig so he
could go to the FBI and somehow not tell you
what he saw in the Jeffrey Epstein files. There is
a zero experiance. Completely agree and we know cash, well
zero percent chance on there. So you either are of
(25:51):
the opinion. I mean, I'm just gonna be straightforward with
everybody out there because some people. You're either of the
opinion that everyone that you used to trust before they
got into these jobs decided they got into these jobs
and they are going to cover up for Jeffrey Epstein
to create an even larger conspiracy, or or they have
(26:13):
looked at all of the existing documents and there's nothing
else there.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I am in the ladder camp. Okay, let me put
this out there, though I would have an addendum, an
asterisk to this. I mean, I I agree no one's
holding anything over dan in cash and making them protect
like a you know, global Epstein ring. Like I don't
buy that for one second, And I think that that's
unhelpful because some people do buy that, and they're going
(26:39):
to be like, we're we're that.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, the conspiracy never ends. We all desperately want to
protect Jeffrey Epstein and everybody he knew from having at somebody.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Here's what I will take a sanity pill. There's there's
you know, there's the question about being a foreign agent.
For example, with Epstein. This is a guy who was
hanging out with with as we know, with Bill Clinton
and Bill Gates. And this is a matter of public record, Okay,
hanging out with some of those powerful people in the world.
Are we really to believe that he actually didn't have
any contact with any I mean, Clay, you've been hanging
(27:14):
out with a former at least allegedly a former spy
for a long time, right, there's a lot of people
that are in the intel world. I bring this up
because given his contacts, given his international travel, given his access.
You'll notice ag Bondy didn't say he was not an
asset or he's not working with because I think she
(27:39):
realizes she may not know. I think it may have
been that's the part I believe. Well, but see, and
that's the part that may have been well covered up.
That's the kind of stuff. You know, Epstein was a
heinous criminal. Everyone understands that. I also I'm seeing people
say there's stuff online to who People saying, oh, well,
I guess Epstein. You know that. Why Why was Gelian
(28:00):
Maxwell in prison? Because they were involved in you know,
sex trafficking of underage underage kids, like hundreds and hundreds
of times. I mean, it's like the worst stuff imaginable,
and that's no one's doubting Epstein's guilt. No one's doubting
I should say nobody should be doubting these things right
based on the available evidence to it. But that doesn't
mean that all the questions have been answered. And that
(28:22):
doesn't mean the question about did he have any foreign
intelligence contacts or access? Maybe it wasn't as sophisticated as
a global blackmail ring to you know, direct policy, et cetera.
But I'm telling you heard the Attorney General there, and
she's being very careful now about her words. We have
no evidence to that effect. That's not the same she's
(28:44):
saying Epstein killed themselves. She's not saying Epstein, we know
for for sure had no foreign intelligence contacts, because that
would be quite a sweeping thing. So I'm saying there's
still that that remains an open part of this. And
I also people are saying that the where he got
his money from has been No that has not been
Has that been satisfactorily answered? I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I think I think a lot of people don't. Let
me take a step back, so one, I think he
probably was on some level intelligence asset I think those
files or whatever were likely destroyed. Maybe they were had
to be destroyed to be fair, to protect the identity
of some of the intelligence assets. I think he likely
(29:27):
blackmailed some of these rich guys and got money basically
paid out to him through this.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Now he also had.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
This like if you want to take a step back
and just say, hey, you know, why would he have
access to all these super rich guys. He had access
to all the victorious Secret models. He had access leave
aside the younger women. He had access to some of
the most beautiful women in the world because he was
in some sort of relationship I mean financial relationship with
(30:00):
the founder of Victoria's Secret Lex Wexner.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I believe it's last name.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I think, yes, okay, something like that, and he and
Epstein were tight, and I think Epstein ran hot models
and he hooked them up rich guys with being able
to hang out with hot models. I think also then
Epstein got involved in underage girl trafficking, meaning he was
(30:27):
flying underage girls because he was interested in super young
not super young, but like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old girls. Right,
I haven't seen anything about like eight or nine or
something like that like under eighteen young women, some of them,
but he had access to Victoria's Secret, supermodels, super rich guys.
Does it surprise you that Bill Clinton might have gotten
(30:50):
on the phone with Epstein? And Epstein said, Hey, you
know the girl who's on the cover of the latest
Victorious Secret fashion catalog.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
She's going to be at my party. She's going to
be at my house. Do you want to come hang
out with her? Like?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I think there was a lot of that. I think
there was a lot of I've got access to super
hot chicks and I'm going to put you with them now.
I think it's also possible that he then, with some
of the tapes and recording setups that he had in
his house, got very prominent men engaged in behavior that
(31:24):
they would never want to go public, and use that
to his advantage, potentially with intelligence assets, potentially for blackmail purposes,
maybe just to get sweetheart deals in business.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We have this data point of he brought a very
you know, a a minor on the plane to Prince Andrew.
According to that, I believe she's now passed away. It's
as sad, right, she didn't she die recently? I think, yeah,
but she alleged very publicly that her and Prince Andrew,
remember the Royal family, So we're being told, oh, no,
(31:58):
Epstein was the only one who who did any of this.
But we have the photo of the guy with the
girl and the allegation from the girl, and are we
to believe that she wasn't to be believed? Is that?
What did you see? What I'm saying? No, No, theuring women,
so to speak, trafficking for other people we knew he
(32:20):
had and he had access to Like you and I
if we wanted to get in touch with a member
of the royal family to hang out with, I don't
think we could do it.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
So he had access. I mean to we we were
pretty cool. We could probably I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Think I could get Prince well.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Like, my point is, I think the rich guys started
talking and they said, hey, Epstein's got access to a
bunch of super hot chicks sometimes Victoria's secret models through Wexner.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
And I think that he leveraged all of that to
his benefit. And it feels to me buck unlikely that
at some point, given the international connections, that there were
not some intelligence asset related to activity right.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's she will not she can she cannot confirm there
were no you know, she can't prove the negative, So
PANMBONDI is saying, I can't say there were no Intel
Intel connections. So that's part one. I think this thing
has been mishandled. There was a lot of over over promising.
That's part two. And I still have open questions about this,
and I'm not convinced that we know the whole story.
That's my part three. I think you and I see
this the same way largely, right. I mean, is there
(33:22):
anything that I'm going to know?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I think that And if people, by the way disagree
with this, you want to let way in and tell
us things that were missing eight hundred and two A
two two eight A two, let us know.
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Podcasts, Welcome back in.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I've got the whole show with all my different offf
air theories. Uh, and I'll share some of those now,
which is always dangerous, but like the idea, let me
just kind of dive into this at its most basic level.
Why would all of these super famous people want to
hang out with Jeffrey Epstein? Like that is the number
(35:21):
one question that I think you can ask. Why are
all these guys Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, the Prince or
whatever the heck his name is over there, Prince Philip,
I think, unless I'm saying the Prince Andrew whatever that
guy's name, Yeah, sorry, you're the British.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I I love The Crown Clay over there.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think The Crown is an amazing show. And my
wife listens to an embarrassing number of British podcasts. It's
unbelievable to me. I walk in and every time she's
got a British podcast on. Why were they hanging out
with him? That's the number one question you should ask.
The answer is because he had access to really good
looking women, most of them, I think initially a lot
(36:08):
of times the Victoria's Secret models. Okay, that's why they
were hanging out. And Buck, you were a former CIA guy.
But this is not revolutionary all of you know it.
What's one of the number number, number one ways that
intelligence agencies get dirt on men, pretty nimbles, honey pot schemes.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Well, they either either blackmail them if they're married, or
they just get them to spill secrets, you know, with
pillow talk. But it's a huge risk to this day.
It has been for as long as people have been
doing intel ops.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Some would say it's the only undefeated thing that has
ever existed in the history of the world. And you
know what I'm talking about, That to me is actually
the story here. They were likely using him to get
advantages on these guys.
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