November 29, 2024 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Christopher Columbus, the Genoese explorer, thanks to the Spanish monarchy,
changes the world, changes the future of humanity in a
way that is amazing and worthy of celebration, an incredible achievement.
This is a moment perhaps where you might be wondering, oh,
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what does the leadership of the Democrat party think about
Christopher Columbus? Well, where do they come down on this issue?
Oh gosh, I don't know. What about the person who
is held up by the Democrats as the next leader
of the free world? What does Kamala Harris? I'm sure,
by the way, we're probably a few hours from this
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being Oh, she no longer feels that way. Right, We'll
get somebody anonymously from political will say, you know, scoop,
Kamala Harris aid say she no longer feels this way
about Columbus Day. But yeah, you know, Clayton, it's totally good.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It is funny that you would have to have somebody
anonymous say, yeah, she actually is a big Columbus Day person.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Big Columbus, Oh, huge fan of Columbus celebrates his whole catalog.
Here she is in not like two thousand and eight,
not two thousand and two. Here she is at the
beginning of her vice presidential term talking about uh European
explorers on the This is the National Congress of American
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Indian seventy eighth Annual Convention. This is what she thinks
about the exploration of America. Play it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Since nineteen thirty four, every October the United States has
recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed
on the shores of the Americas. But that is not
the whole story. That has never been the whole story.
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Those explore ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations,
perpetrating violence, stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not
shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed
light on it and do everything we can to address
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the impact of the past on Native communities today.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay, this could be a much longer conversation about what
the reservation system in America has turned into and all
the casinos and all this stuff. The clay I would
just put it this way. It was amazing what Columbus
accomplished and in terms of everything that came afterwards. And
I've read extensively about what it was like. Even in
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the pre American colonial error, bad stuff was notn on
both sides. They lost, the Europeans won, and now we're
an American. It's a great place. Like what really, even
if we took kama letter word here, what are we
supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
It is a fantastic question. And I mean, if you
had a real historical conversation, what in Kamala Harris's ideal
world would the fourteen and fifteen hundreds have looked like?
What should have occurred that did not? Overwhelmingly, Western civilization
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has made the world better. And so to pick different
aspects of history that you don't like five hundred years
ago that none of us had any control over, well.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I just want to know how many lives if we're
going to play this game. And she's like, oh, well,
they brought disease, Well, yes, because the immune systems of
the people who were isolated here from the rest of
the planet were unable to handle pathogens that were freely
spread in societies all over the world by trade and exploration.
But just put that aside, how many lives were actually
saved by and I'm talking about all in by things
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like I don't know, antibiotics. Yeah, how many lives were
saved by clean drinking water. How many lives have been
saved by the civilizational advances that, by the way, didn't
just come from Europe. Came from many places around the world,
but they were civilizational advances. We can't just pick the
bad and leave out the good. And also I would
point out there is such a rewriting of history that
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goes on when it comes to the native tribes in
this country, Clay, they were in a constant state of
warfare with each other. I mentioned the Aztecs, but even
if you look at other tribes, including tribes that were
in Texas, tribes that were in the northeast parts of
the iroquoidation, cannibalism was practiced. They'd like to eat their enemies.
They would say it was for ritual purposes. But mutilation
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of men, women and children in warfare. Like this whole
notion that it was like the movie Pocahontas where everyone's
just you know, the the nobles and the bees and
everyone's just getting along is a complete and utter lie.
They were in a stone age in turn of the
civilizational advances. They had, as we pointed out, no wheel,
no writing, and they fought wars against the people that
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showed up here, just like people fight wars all over
the world. And they lost. And now we're all you know,
now we're all here together. So I just the whole
thing to me is a one. It's it's ahistorical. It's uh,
it's unhelpful today. But Comma, there's Kamala Harris who's like, oh, well,
the horrible things that the Europeans did.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Also, there was no way to stop disease. Even if
we had arrived here and only been super kind to everyone,
the disease was still going to spread widely.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Do we it's actually all these diseases they think. Bubonic plague,
for example, came from Asia and arrived on ships originally
in Venice and and you know merchants, Genoese merchants, Venetian merchants,
and then it made its way all through Europe. Are
we sitting here like.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
We need we need reparations from Asia for the bubbon plague?
You know, six hundred years ago, No, man, I mean
it was a tough world. Things happened, bad stuff went down.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't want to tell you human beings humanity life
was brutish, nasty and short. Anyway, I don't want to
spend too much time on it. I do just think
it's worth noting that Kamala Harris goes along with this.
I do want to note that I hear from people
all the time now when they go to college tours
and stuff. They start with these indigenous land, you know,
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proclamation about how I know how we are here on
stolen then actually, no, it's ours now. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I am taking my son around, my oldest to visit
different campuses, and many of the campus tours Buck, before
they even tell you about the history of the school
at all, begin with land acknowledgments. And I felt like
I was being pranked. When you're there and you're excited
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to go tour a campus, and the very first thing
the campus tour guide says is before we start to work,
walk you around here, we want to acknowledge this is
stole land. I can't believe that this is complate. They
do this now Buck In many universities. On the first
day of class, it's written in the syllabus, these land acknowledgments.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's so crazy, you know, when you.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Go back and you actually read the history, if you
read honest history of what happened, and a lot Texans
tend to know more about this. Texas was out on
its own, particularly the early eighteen hundreds and going up
to the period of a Civil War when it came
to dealing with the native tribes, particularly the Comanche, the Apache,
the Kiowa, and one of the things that's left out
it's always, oh, though the white man made these treaties
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and broke the treaties, there would be these tribes Comanche
is a good example, and they would decide, like some
of the young braves would decide that they wanted to
out make a name for themselves, and they would do
something called murder rates, that's actually what they called it.
Then they weren't trying to they weren't showing up at
a fort and fighting with able bodied men to see
who was going to be in controlled territory. They would
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wait until women and children were left alone. They would
go in enslave and or rape, murder, mutilate. And then
when we would sit and say, hold on a second,
I thought we had a treaty with you guys, you know,
the chief would say sorry, I can't control everybody, or sorry,
that's not my tribe. Well, you know, imagine that that's
your life on the frontier. After a while, you get
pretty tired of that. So there's a total rewriting of
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this issue that goes on people. One of the problems
even then was that Texans were like, this is horrible,
this is what's going on, And people in DC and
the Northeast were, what's the problem, Yeah, aren't there aren't
they just you know, civilizing like all the rest of
us and everything. Great, No it is not. Actually, they're
going on murder raids.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
And this is a history that's not talked about now ever.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Ever, I do a whole podcast series on this. People
should know this stuff. People should know what went on.
People should know that they that first of all, they
were they were slavers. The Native Americans. Oh yes, practiced
widespread and continuous slavery against each other and eventually against
white settlers who were here.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yes, there was a huge So all of this is
a like, can we play just to have a little
bit of humor. We've got the sopranos, because we mentioned
this in the past hour. I think we've got the
sopranos audio.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I hope we have the bleeps in there.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think, well, we'll see the bleeps.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, all right, we got bleeps. All right.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So here is Tony Soprano, one of the great shows
in the history of television. Weighing in to your point,
we're here in New York City, huge Italian population. My
mother in law's Italian. She would probably nod along entirely
with Tony Soprano.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Here. He discovered America, is what he did. He was
a brave Attalian explorer. And this house, Christopher Columbus is
a hero and a story. Yes, okay Soprano.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The Indigenous people Day concept is so laughably absurd that
I can't believe it's reason.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I just, you know what, I also would want to ask, okay,
what land, what land did they own? Like, show me
how how do you even sort of you know how
they you know, how they did determine who owned what
land among the tribes, what they keep by force of
arms against other tribes. That's it. There were no deeds,
there was none of this stuff. It was just, Hey,
if you come into my hunting territory, I'm gonna scalp you.
We also had the whole thing too. Of suddenly scalping
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becomes a practice, and they try to say, now that
this comes from the European side of things. Interesting, never
happened anywhere else until they came into the Americas. And
guess what they would take trophies of each other. And
people even ask me, you can go check. There were
among the Native American tribes there was cannibalism practice, not
by all of them, but by some of them. You
will not read that in books until you find the
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right books. It is true.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
This also ties in with the entire concept of trying
to redefine American history around slavery, which is what they've
tried to do with The New York Times, for instance.
The idea that slavery only existed in the United States
is really kind of embedded in the left wing attempt
to destroy the history of the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
This country fought its first foreign war in large part,
really entirely to stop the enslavement of white Europeans by
Barbary corsairs off the north from the North African coast.
Essentially that was to the shores of Tripoli. That's why
we actually fought our first So why we outfitted a navy,
we had six frigates. We deployed them and we had
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to go fight because and we asked, Actually, there was
a one of the you know, the Pasha or the
Amy or whatever he's called himself at the time, was
was in London and R. Mssary I believe it might
have even been Jefferson at the time, said why are
you doing this to us? Because the Koran says we
can and we like to. That's it. So when we're
enslaving our people.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
One of the huge lessons of world history, if you
actually study it, is every single person listening to us
right now has at some point had ancestors who were
slaves and people who owned slaves. One hundred percent of you, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
If you go back far enough, slavery was so endemic
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in society that every single one of you has an
ancestor who owned slaves and was See.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
The word comes from slav Actually, that's the root of it,
and it goes back to ancient Roman times. So the
original slaves, if you will, or white people in eastern Europe,
that is where the term originated from. Two thousand years ago.
I talked about the slave trade. By the way that
slave trade of barbary corsairs off of North Africa. It
wasn't a short period. It went on for about three
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hundred years. They went as far as Ireland and Iceland.
They would go all along the coast of Spain. In fact,
the Spanish in the sixteenth century were terrified. They would
tell their children's stories about Barbarossa the pirate, and how
he would steal children from the coast, because they did.
By the way, that was a thing that would happen.
They would show up anyway. We could talk with this
all day long. But this idea that it was like, oh,
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everything was great here.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
It was not utopia.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
They were not noble savages, which was another aspect of
the way that they were described in the Jefferson Sonian era. No,
their lives were brutal and filled with violence, and in
no way were they living in some sort of dentic paradise.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
When we were right, Davy Crockett and we have Crockett Coffee.
Davy Crockett's grandfather was scalped by Indians. Yeah, okay, this
was a reality of life on the frontier. Imagine that's there,
you know, I know Joe Biden's like, you know, my
grand My granduncle was eaten by Cannibal's or something. I're
almost eaten by Cannibal's turn. Now that wasn't true, but
it's Joe Biden. But this was reality of life on
the frontier. We get a very one sided story. And yeah,
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people do really horrible things. I mean, go back and
read about the Thirty Years War in Germany and Europe.
People do very terrible things to each other. But it's
only this one where all of a sudden we're like,
where's I'm supposed to make amends for this today? I
didn't do anything. You didn't do any No one listening
to this did anything. But we're supposed to sit around
and say, oh, you know, I'm so worried about it anyway,
And Kamala Harris plays into that game just just saying it.
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She she is all about whatever the woke demands. This
whole moderate Kamala thing is absolute garbage. It's not true.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Clay travs here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
You are going to love this. What is this woman's name, Buck.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't want even name her like she's she's a
left wing political analyst. Supposedly she was going out to
buy alcohol to celebrate Kamala Harris's win. She recorded a
video about lecturing a Trump supporter she saw.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
This is amazing. Just kick your feet up and enjoy.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
We're closing in on almost five pm Eastern time, and
I've been trucking everything that's been going on across the
country today.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
And my most important encounter was when I went out
to get my champagne. I was talking to the guy
in the store, of course, asking him did he vote,
and he said he did early voting, and he asked
me if I early voted, and he asked me. You
know why I was.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Getting the shampag and I said, because I'm going to
be toasting Madam President tonight. And he just looked at
me with kind of like a smirk on his face,
and I said, you know she's going to win this,
right And he said, oh, well, it's very very close.
And I said, no, it's not. Says well, what do
you mean, I said, no, it's not. The women of
America are making their voices heard. Reproductive rights is what
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it all comes down to, and the women are voting
in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable. She's won this.
And I said to him, she's going to take every
one of the swing states plus O plus Iowa. And
he said, oh, but the numbers are so close. I said,
I'm a political analyst. I'm telling you right now, the
numbers are there. She's taking this election.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
I've said to him, you realize And he didn't tell
me who he voted for, but.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Of course I knew, and I said, you do realize
you wasted your vote, right, And I didn't care.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
I walked out with my bottle of champagne and happily
walked home.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
The vie.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
This may be my favorite clip that we have ever
played in the history of the show. And I want
to hear from that liquor storer guy, if you happen
to be listening to us right now and you remember
that interaction and you sold that bottle of champagne. I
would love to hear from the Trump voter who got
laughed at and let him react. That clip is amazing.
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It's up at clayonbuck dot com. I'm gonna tweet it
out right now. I can't wait to share that.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You're listening to the best of Clay Traps and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You can debate border policy and some of that gets confusing.
You can debate tax policy, it's easy to get mucked
up in the details. Whether a dude should be able
to compete as a women's athlete and win a women's
championship is so crystallizing that I think it's cutting through
the noise as we come and come down the home
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stretch here. And I hope Kamala Harris gets asked about
this because you thought you've heard word salad from her
so far, Buck, Can you imagine her trying to respond
on this issue this issue Initially men were like me,
we're driving it because we saw it as crazy, and
men tend to in general be bigger sports fans than women,
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and I think men understand the concept of men being bigger, stronger,
and faster, particularly if you played sports than women did.
But now, thanks to many people like Riley Gaines speaking out,
women are finding their own voice on this issue. And
I think a lot of women were afraid that they
weren't being kind enough, or they weren't being caring or
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empathetic enough for the trans community. And that moment is
passed and women are taking a substantial lead and talking
about this issue. And I think Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say,
who is out there for women's gymnast who has her
own clothing company. I think a lot of women's athletes
are saying enough is enough. We're not going to stand
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for that. And it's going on right now in the
battleground state of Nevada where women's volleyball team said we
don't want to play against San Jose State University that
has a man that is dominating women's college volleyball on
the team, and a lot of women are saying, we're
not playing in a match if they're going to have
a man competing against this.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's just not fair.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I also just wait for there to be a real
defense of this practice. You'll notice that whenever it comes up,
they are these there's these steps that the left will
go through. It doesn't happen that often. Why is it
such a big deal to you? Why are you being
so mean? Why can't you just be inclusive? They won't
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address the core issue, which is not only is this
unfair biologically unfair? I mean, why why have age differences
in sports? Why not let sixteen year olds play ten
year olds in soccer or basketball, Yeah, exactly, you know
why not? I mean, why do we have these separations?
Because we're trying to create some baseline of biologically based
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fairness and they can't actually address this, So what do
they do? They attack? It's a little bit like what
I dealt with on the Bill Marshow. I'm smoking them
on all the arguments. So it's like, well, you're not
like that? Cool? Yeah, well what does that have to
do with anything? I mean, they can't make a coherent
defense of any of this, and in a sense, Kamala,
I'm going to offer something up. Clay. Kamala is actually
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the perfect candidate for this moment in Democrat politics because
her incoherence on everything, the fact that she stands for
nothing except power is a perfect encapsulation of what the
Democrat Party of today is, and the fact that she
says her principles haven't changed when she's changed her mind
on everything is a perfect a perfect overview of where
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the Democrat Party is right now. Nothing makes sense and
it's not supposed to shut up and let them run
your life.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
We've got another cut that I wanted to play. We
mentioned that Kamala did a town hall and every time
she does one of these interviews. There is a question
that to me becomes a central negativity associated with the
interview that she did, whether there's not a thing she
would change from the view and Colbet. Most recently, every
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time she speaks she says something that turns off a
large majority of the population. I think that's why they
hit her to such an extent. But Buck, she was
asked about reparations. She in the past has said that
she believes reparation should happen. California studied the issue, and
even Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I understand the recommendation, but no, California,
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which never permitted slavery, by the way, and has a
relatively small as a percentage of the population overall black population.
I think California is only six or eight percent black.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That sometimes surprises people large Asian, large Hispanic, large white population,
but not that large of a black population. She was
asked and Gavin Newsom said, the cost on this is
just outrageous. There's no way we can do it. Basically,
thanks for the recommendation, but we're not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
She said, we need to study it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Cost estimates around twelve trillion dollars for reparations. Buck, here's
Kamala on racial reparations.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yes, I'm running to be a president for all Americans.
That being said, I do have clear eyes about the
disparities that exist and the context in which they exist,
meaning history to your point, So my agenda, well, first
of all, on the point of reparations, it has to
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be studied. There's no question about that. And I've been
very clear about that position.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Okay, let's talk about this. First of all. I love
when she says I've been very clear. When she gives
a non answer. This should be like if you were
like if Clay asked me, He's like, Buck, what do
you think about this? And I was like, I played
the fifth As I have been very clear about my answer.
It's like, well, you're not answering. Actually, you're choosing to
give a total non answer. In this process. A few
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things that would come up, and this is one of
reparations I might add to the national electorate. Incredibly unpopular.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Eighty twenty against at least.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, eighty twenty against at least for obvious reasons. A
lot of people oppose this. But if you're going to
have reparations, here are the questions I have to ask
who gets them? What do you have to do to
qualify for them? How much? So questions like, if you're
a quarter African American, do you do you get like
twenty five percent of what the full reparations package would be?
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You know, how far back do you go? I mean,
if you're half African American, let's say, yeah, you get
a different percent. These are the questions you would have
to answer. If you are a Nigerian immigrants, do the
United States have a higher than most groups in this
country household income? But would they know they wouldn't qualify
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for reparations? Okay, well who does? Who doesn't? At what
point do you start to make these distinctions or rather
how far back do you have to go? And the
other part of the clay is it's immoral because you're
taking money from people today with the force of the
state based on some historical you know, some historical story.
And then also it's never enough. This is this is
the part of it that everybody knows, right, there would
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never be enough money in this program, just like all
other redistribution of wealth programs. It's never enough to deal
with the problem.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, I mean it's it's messy on so many different levels.
To your point, you have to do percentage analysis, right,
because huge percentages of the people who live in America
here were not in America when slavery occurred. So if
you're an immigrant from from China, why in the world
should you be paying reparations to black people? It makes
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no sense, right, So it's the huge percentage population wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Also, just you know, Jews who fled the Holocaust in
the Second World War, Okay, you just got here in
like nineteen fifty let's or you know, nineteen forty whatever,
they would be paying reparations, among many other people to
the black community for slavery that has been outlawed for
one hundred and fifty years. Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I also always enjoy two other points. One, I'm a
history nerd. So are we just forgetting the hundreds of
thousands of people who died in the Civil War? I
got an ancestor who died fighting in the Civil War.
He was motivated in some way over the issue of slavery.
Those people's lives don't matter. Some of us, literally who
are white, carry the blood of people who fought in
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the Civil War on both sides, and that's a whole
historical mess in and of itself. But those guys who
actually gave their lives, some of them to enslavery, don't count, right.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think you'd have a very fair point if we're
going to do this. Historical ancestry is something you're responsible for.
You know, my family are Irish immigrants, and the Irish
side that got here into the North, it's very likely
they fought for the Union. So am I exempted right
to do you get it aggreited?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Do you get credited because you had Union soldiers who
fought in your background. Here's the other thing, buck that
nobody really wants to talk about. Well, should in Africa
pay a substantial amount of the reparations here? Since the
slaves were initially enslaved in Africa and Africans profited immensely
off the slave trade, it's as if there is no
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reparations responsibility for that aspect of the slave trade.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I also think that you know, you can look at
a the closest thing that we've had in this country
to something along the lines of there are also people who,
by the way, I would I would point out, would
would claim that overall, you know, the welfare state that
this country has been supporting for the last seventy years
or so is a form of not even just for
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the African American community, but across the board, meant to
repair historical injustices by for dispossessed communities. And I mean,
and you know, it's been a lot of money. It's
the point, right, there's already a lot of money that
is going to help people in this country. We have
a trillion dollar welfar stay in this country. Beyond that, though,
you look at the Native American population in the you
know Indian population, I think, ciny we're are we supposed
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to call them? Now? The you know indigenous tribes, the
name keeps changing, which I think is just meant to
see who will be who. It's obedience training for the
rest of us. I might add, you know, you're not
You're not supposed to say Eskimo anymore because Eskimo is
only one tribe and they prefer I think more generally Inuit.
Our Alaska listeners, we've got a great station up in
up in Anchorage. They would know more about this than
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I do. But oh, you know, if you say Eskimo,
you're being rude. I mean, we can't keep up with
all this. What's the name? Tough to know the name
because no written language, you know, not a lot of
textual basis for this stuff. But on the on the
Native American reservations clay across the country, this has been
a program for a long time, and there have been
special incentives given to those communities, and we as a country,
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we never even really look at these. American reservations are
a horrible state of affairs when you look at things
like domestic abuse, alcoholism, violent crime per capita. These are
not happy places, the reservations. And then we have people
in Oklahoma listening who know exactly about this. We've had
the governor of Oklahoma, who himself is a Native America
(27:07):
by the way, member of a tribe, Kevin Stitt. And
this is not a program that has been successful at
all really when you look at it. So why would
we do these sort of race based preference programs, especially
after the Constitution has already told us that an admissions
it's bad, in redistribution of wealth it's good. Makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I would also add, historically, buck and this really gets
people all flummoxed.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Remember we were a.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Colony of great, great Britain for the vast majority of
time that there was slavery in the United States. Why
should the United States be responsible from sixteen nineteen to
seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty three, England should have
to pay all of the reparations to slaves in the
United States because England was the power here. We were colonies.
(27:57):
We were until we rever alted. We didn't have democracy
in this country.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So I never hear.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Anybody say, Okay, well, England is on the hook. We
only had legal slavery in the United States for eighty years,
and to your point, seventeen eighty three to eighteen sixty three.
To your point, buck, we've since had the welfare state,
which to a large extent since the nineteen sixties has
existed with the idea being that we're going to provide
some form of compensation and redress to people who were
(28:25):
discriminated against. We've had the welfare state and the Civil
Rights era almost as long now in the United States
since we had slavery. So anyway, I just love the
history of it. Very few people actually dive into it,
which is why, on its face, eighty percent of some
out Americans say this is a joke. Kamala believes it
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should happen in twenty nineteen, and she's saying now it
should be studied still in twenty twenty four. Again another
swinging amiss.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the class in Buck show.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Buck, you continue to be our behind enemy lines observer
of what's going on on MSNBC. And I'll confess when
greg Our clips guy, sometimes I scroll through and I
look like I can't believe that the clips are real,
but I do want to play this. This is a
guy who is a popular best selling American historian, Michael Beschlos.
Some of you may have read his work before Buck.
(29:24):
In twenty twenty two, he said, if Republicans won the election,
that they would set up firing squads and that your
kids may get murdered. This was him on MSNBC in
twenty twenty two.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
A historian fifty years from now, if historians are allowed
to ride in this country, and if there are still
free publishing houses and a free press, which I'm not
certain of, but if that is true, a historian will
say what was at stake tonight? And this week was
the fact whether we will be a democracy in the future,
(29:58):
whether our children will be arrested and conceivably killed.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Maybe we've been wrong this whole time, Clay. Maybe a
man can turn into a hysterical woman, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
That was Becialos on MSNBC in twenty two. Here he
is in twenty four saying, if Trump's elected, of all
the things he's going to do, he's going.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
To ban the writing of history books. This happened.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Listen, if historians in the future are allowed to write books,
and by the way, that question is opened this morning,
and if people are allowed to go on television and
say what they think in the future, which again that
question is opened this morning. In the future, historians are
going to look back on this day and say, this
is the day that America made a choice between freedom
(30:44):
and democracy on one side, and authoritarianism and dictatorship.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I Michael, I mean, boy, he's like a little schoolgirl
freaking out here.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
What is he even talking about? Clay? This is where
I really want betting markets to be set up for politics,
because you can start to shut these people up, baby, Like, really,
Trump's going to ban their ban history books? Like what
are we going to put on that you know what, what.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Are we actually going to put every dollar that I have?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Buck?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
First of all, it's hysterical to think of all the
things that Trump would want to do. Ban a historian
from writing a book is so like on on the
Trump Care scale. This is like one billion on the
Trump Care scale. For a historian to think that Trump
is like, oh, your book is so incredibly powerful that
(31:33):
I can't allow anyone to read it is a different
level of arrogance. But what I want you to know
is this is what they're telling their brain dead audience.
And it's the same argument he made in twenty two
and Buck, you texted this and I watched it and
I couldn't believe it. Rachel Maddow, who's supposed to be
the smart same member in some way of MSNBC's on
(31:57):
air talent Buck, she said that if if Elon musk,
that if Kamala wins, she should end federal contracts with
SpaceX and not allow Elon must to be involved in
space anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
A completely don't. We can't play that right now, Clay,
because we'll come back to that after we talk to Caroline.
We'll come back to this conversation, but the thirty million
dollar a year woman at MSNBC, Rachel Maddow is taking
the night before the election, and I was watching it
and my jaw actually just kind of hit the ground.
The most intellectually indefensible and insane thing that I have
(32:32):
heard on maybe on MSNBC all along. It's not even
about Trump right now. They're talking about Elon like he's
an existential threat. She wants to stop the most important
person for space exploration in the history of the human
species and slap him down because he realizes Kamala is
a moron. That's how important it is to pretend that
(32:53):
Kamala is not stupid. We have to stop space exploration.
Get a grip, Libs.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
And just remember this book.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
They wouldn't have even been able to get the astronauts
back except for SpaceX's talent.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
NASA is so far behind now
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Christopher Columbus, the Genoese explorer, thanks to the Spanish monarchy,
changes the world, changes the future of humanity in a
way that is amazing and worthy of celebration, an incredible achievement.
This is a moment perhaps where you might be wondering, oh,
(00:28):
what does the leadership of the Democrat party think about
Christopher Columbus? Well, where do they come down on this issue?
Oh gosh, I don't know. What about the person who
is held up by the Democrats as the next leader
of the free world? What does Kamala Harris? I'm sure,
by the way, we're probably a few hours from this
(00:49):
being Oh, she no longer feels that way. Right, We'll
get somebody anonymously from political will say, you know, scoop,
Kamala Harris aid say she no longer feels this way
about Columbus Day. But yeah, you know, Clayton, it's totally good.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It is funny that you would have to have somebody
anonymous say, yeah, she actually is a big Columbus Day person.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Big Columbus, Oh, huge fan of Columbus celebrates his whole catalog.
Here she is in not like two thousand and eight,
not two thousand and two. Here she is at the
beginning of her vice presidential term talking about uh European
explorers on the This is the National Congress of American
(01:32):
Indian seventy eighth Annual Convention. This is what she thinks
about the exploration of America. Play it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Since nineteen thirty four, every October the United States has
recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed
on the shores of the Americas. But that is not
the whole story. That has never been the whole story.
(01:59):
Those explore ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations,
perpetrating violence, stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not
shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed
light on it and do everything we can to address
(02:21):
the impact of the past on Native communities today.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay, this could be a much longer conversation about what
the reservation system in America has turned into and all
the casinos and all this stuff. The clay I would
just put it this way. It was amazing what Columbus
accomplished and in terms of everything that came afterwards. And
I've read extensively about what it was like. Even in
(02:48):
the pre American colonial error, bad stuff was notn on
both sides. They lost, the Europeans won, and now we're
an American. It's a great place. Like what really, even
if we took kama letter word here, what are we
supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
It is a fantastic question. And I mean, if you
had a real historical conversation, what in Kamala Harris's ideal
world would the fourteen and fifteen hundreds have looked like?
What should have occurred that did not? Overwhelmingly, Western civilization
(03:27):
has made the world better. And so to pick different
aspects of history that you don't like five hundred years
ago that none of us had any control over, well.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I just want to know how many lives if we're
going to play this game. And she's like, oh, well,
they brought disease, Well, yes, because the immune systems of
the people who were isolated here from the rest of
the planet were unable to handle pathogens that were freely
spread in societies all over the world by trade and exploration.
But just put that aside, how many lives were actually
saved by and I'm talking about all in by things
(04:02):
like I don't know, antibiotics. Yeah, how many lives were
saved by clean drinking water. How many lives have been
saved by the civilizational advances that, by the way, didn't
just come from Europe. Came from many places around the world,
but they were civilizational advances. We can't just pick the
bad and leave out the good. And also I would
point out there is such a rewriting of history that
(04:23):
goes on when it comes to the native tribes in
this country, Clay, they were in a constant state of
warfare with each other. I mentioned the Aztecs, but even
if you look at other tribes, including tribes that were
in Texas, tribes that were in the northeast parts of
the iroquoidation, cannibalism was practiced. They'd like to eat their enemies.
They would say it was for ritual purposes. But mutilation
(04:45):
of men, women and children in warfare. Like this whole
notion that it was like the movie Pocahontas where everyone's
just you know, the the nobles and the bees and
everyone's just getting along is a complete and utter lie.
They were in a stone age in turn of the
civilizational advances. They had, as we pointed out, no wheel,
no writing, and they fought wars against the people that
(05:08):
showed up here, just like people fight wars all over
the world. And they lost. And now we're all you know,
now we're all here together. So I just the whole
thing to me is a one. It's it's ahistorical. It's uh,
it's unhelpful today. But Comma, there's Kamala Harris who's like, oh, well,
the horrible things that the Europeans did.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Also, there was no way to stop disease. Even if
we had arrived here and only been super kind to everyone,
the disease was still going to spread widely.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Do we it's actually all these diseases they think. Bubonic plague,
for example, came from Asia and arrived on ships originally
in Venice and and you know merchants, Genoese merchants, Venetian merchants,
and then it made its way all through Europe. Are
we sitting here like.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
We need we need reparations from Asia for the bubbon plague?
You know, six hundred years ago, No, man, I mean
it was a tough world. Things happened, bad stuff went down.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't want to tell you human beings humanity life
was brutish, nasty and short. Anyway, I don't want to
spend too much time on it. I do just think
it's worth noting that Kamala Harris goes along with this.
I do want to note that I hear from people
all the time now when they go to college tours
and stuff. They start with these indigenous land, you know,
(06:26):
proclamation about how I know how we are here on
stolen then actually, no, it's ours now. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I am taking my son around, my oldest to visit
different campuses, and many of the campus tours Buck, before
they even tell you about the history of the school
at all, begin with land acknowledgments. And I felt like
I was being pranked. When you're there and you're excited
(06:54):
to go tour a campus, and the very first thing
the campus tour guide says is before we start to work,
walk you around here, we want to acknowledge this is
stole land. I can't believe that this is complate. They
do this now Buck In many universities. On the first
day of class, it's written in the syllabus, these land acknowledgments.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's so crazy, you know, when you.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Go back and you actually read the history, if you
read honest history of what happened, and a lot Texans
tend to know more about this. Texas was out on
its own, particularly the early eighteen hundreds and going up
to the period of a Civil War when it came
to dealing with the native tribes, particularly the Comanche, the Apache,
the Kiowa, and one of the things that's left out
it's always, oh, though the white man made these treaties
(07:39):
and broke the treaties, there would be these tribes Comanche
is a good example, and they would decide, like some
of the young braves would decide that they wanted to
out make a name for themselves, and they would do
something called murder rates, that's actually what they called it.
Then they weren't trying to they weren't showing up at
a fort and fighting with able bodied men to see
who was going to be in controlled territory. They would
(08:01):
wait until women and children were left alone. They would
go in enslave and or rape, murder, mutilate. And then
when we would sit and say, hold on a second,
I thought we had a treaty with you guys, you know,
the chief would say sorry, I can't control everybody, or sorry,
that's not my tribe. Well, you know, imagine that that's
your life on the frontier. After a while, you get
pretty tired of that. So there's a total rewriting of
(08:21):
this issue that goes on people. One of the problems
even then was that Texans were like, this is horrible,
this is what's going on, And people in DC and
the Northeast were, what's the problem, Yeah, aren't there aren't
they just you know, civilizing like all the rest of
us and everything. Great, No it is not. Actually, they're
going on murder raids.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
And this is a history that's not talked about now ever.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Ever, I do a whole podcast series on this. People
should know this stuff. People should know what went on.
People should know that they that first of all, they
were they were slavers. The Native Americans. Oh yes, practiced
widespread and continuous slavery against each other and eventually against
white settlers who were here.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yes, there was a huge So all of this is
a like, can we play just to have a little
bit of humor. We've got the sopranos, because we mentioned
this in the past hour. I think we've got the
sopranos audio.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I hope we have the bleeps in there.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think, well, we'll see the bleeps.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, all right, we got bleeps. All right.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So here is Tony Soprano, one of the great shows
in the history of television. Weighing in to your point,
we're here in New York City, huge Italian population. My
mother in law's Italian. She would probably nod along entirely
with Tony Soprano.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Here. He discovered America, is what he did. He was
a brave Attalian explorer. And this house, Christopher Columbus is
a hero and a story. Yes, okay Soprano.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The Indigenous people Day concept is so laughably absurd that
I can't believe it's reason.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I just, you know what, I also would want to ask, okay,
what land, what land did they own? Like, show me
how how do you even sort of you know how
they you know, how they did determine who owned what
land among the tribes, what they keep by force of
arms against other tribes. That's it. There were no deeds,
there was none of this stuff. It was just, Hey,
if you come into my hunting territory, I'm gonna scalp you.
We also had the whole thing too. Of suddenly scalping
(10:12):
becomes a practice, and they try to say, now that
this comes from the European side of things. Interesting, never
happened anywhere else until they came into the Americas. And
guess what they would take trophies of each other. And
people even ask me, you can go check. There were
among the Native American tribes there was cannibalism practice, not
by all of them, but by some of them. You
will not read that in books until you find the
(10:33):
right books. It is true.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
This also ties in with the entire concept of trying
to redefine American history around slavery, which is what they've
tried to do with The New York Times, for instance.
The idea that slavery only existed in the United States
is really kind of embedded in the left wing attempt
to destroy the history of the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
This country fought its first foreign war in large part,
really entirely to stop the enslavement of white Europeans by
Barbary corsairs off the north from the North African coast.
Essentially that was to the shores of Tripoli. That's why
we actually fought our first So why we outfitted a navy,
we had six frigates. We deployed them and we had
(11:17):
to go fight because and we asked, Actually, there was
a one of the you know, the Pasha or the
Amy or whatever he's called himself at the time, was
was in London and R. Mssary I believe it might
have even been Jefferson at the time, said why are
you doing this to us? Because the Koran says we
can and we like to. That's it. So when we're
enslaving our people.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
One of the huge lessons of world history, if you
actually study it, is every single person listening to us
right now has at some point had ancestors who were
slaves and people who owned slaves. One hundred percent of you, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
If you go back far enough, slavery was so endemic
(11:56):
in society that every single one of you has an
ancestor who owned slaves and was See.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
The word comes from slav Actually, that's the root of it,
and it goes back to ancient Roman times. So the
original slaves, if you will, or white people in eastern Europe,
that is where the term originated from. Two thousand years ago.
I talked about the slave trade. By the way that
slave trade of barbary corsairs off of North Africa. It
wasn't a short period. It went on for about three
(12:25):
hundred years. They went as far as Ireland and Iceland.
They would go all along the coast of Spain. In fact,
the Spanish in the sixteenth century were terrified. They would
tell their children's stories about Barbarossa the pirate, and how
he would steal children from the coast, because they did.
By the way, that was a thing that would happen.
They would show up anyway. We could talk with this
all day long. But this idea that it was like, oh,
(12:49):
everything was great here.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
It was not utopia.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
They were not noble savages, which was another aspect of
the way that they were described in the Jefferson Sonian era. No,
their lives were brutal and filled with violence, and in
no way were they living in some sort of dentic paradise.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
When we were right, Davy Crockett and we have Crockett Coffee.
Davy Crockett's grandfather was scalped by Indians. Yeah, okay, this
was a reality of life on the frontier. Imagine that's there,
you know, I know Joe Biden's like, you know, my
grand My granduncle was eaten by Cannibal's or something. I're
almost eaten by Cannibal's turn. Now that wasn't true, but
it's Joe Biden. But this was reality of life on
the frontier. We get a very one sided story. And yeah,
(13:28):
people do really horrible things. I mean, go back and
read about the Thirty Years War in Germany and Europe.
People do very terrible things to each other. But it's
only this one where all of a sudden we're like,
where's I'm supposed to make amends for this today? I
didn't do anything. You didn't do any No one listening
to this did anything. But we're supposed to sit around
and say, oh, you know, I'm so worried about it anyway,
And Kamala Harris plays into that game just just saying it.
(13:51):
She she is all about whatever the woke demands. This
whole moderate Kamala thing is absolute garbage. It's not true.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Clay travs here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
You are going to love this. What is this woman's name, Buck.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't want even name her like she's she's a
left wing political analyst. Supposedly she was going out to
buy alcohol to celebrate Kamala Harris's win. She recorded a
video about lecturing a Trump supporter she saw.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
This is amazing. Just kick your feet up and enjoy.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
We're closing in on almost five pm Eastern time, and
I've been trucking everything that's been going on across the
country today.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
And my most important encounter was when I went out
to get my champagne. I was talking to the guy
in the store, of course, asking him did he vote,
and he said he did early voting, and he asked
me if I early voted, and he asked me. You
know why I was.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Getting the shampag and I said, because I'm going to
be toasting Madam President tonight. And he just looked at
me with kind of like a smirk on his face,
and I said, you know she's going to win this,
right And he said, oh, well, it's very very close.
And I said, no, it's not. Says well, what do
you mean, I said, no, it's not. The women of
America are making their voices heard. Reproductive rights is what
(15:20):
it all comes down to, and the women are voting
in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable. She's won this.
And I said to him, she's going to take every
one of the swing states plus O plus Iowa. And
he said, oh, but the numbers are so close. I said,
I'm a political analyst. I'm telling you right now, the
numbers are there. She's taking this election.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
I've said to him, you realize And he didn't tell
me who he voted for, but.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Of course I knew, and I said, you do realize
you wasted your vote, right, And I didn't care.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
I walked out with my bottle of champagne and happily
walked home.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
The vie.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
This may be my favorite clip that we have ever
played in the history of the show. And I want
to hear from that liquor storer guy, if you happen
to be listening to us right now and you remember
that interaction and you sold that bottle of champagne. I
would love to hear from the Trump voter who got
laughed at and let him react. That clip is amazing.
(16:24):
It's up at clayonbuck dot com. I'm gonna tweet it
out right now. I can't wait to share that.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You're listening to the best of Clay Traps and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You can debate border policy and some of that gets confusing.
You can debate tax policy, it's easy to get mucked
up in the details. Whether a dude should be able
to compete as a women's athlete and win a women's
championship is so crystallizing that I think it's cutting through
the noise as we come and come down the home
(16:54):
stretch here. And I hope Kamala Harris gets asked about
this because you thought you've heard word salad from her
so far, Buck, Can you imagine her trying to respond
on this issue this issue Initially men were like me,
we're driving it because we saw it as crazy, and
men tend to in general be bigger sports fans than women,
(17:15):
and I think men understand the concept of men being bigger, stronger,
and faster, particularly if you played sports than women did.
But now, thanks to many people like Riley Gaines speaking out,
women are finding their own voice on this issue. And
I think a lot of women were afraid that they
weren't being kind enough, or they weren't being caring or
(17:36):
empathetic enough for the trans community. And that moment is
passed and women are taking a substantial lead and talking
about this issue. And I think Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say,
who is out there for women's gymnast who has her
own clothing company. I think a lot of women's athletes
are saying enough is enough. We're not going to stand
(17:58):
for that. And it's going on right now in the
battleground state of Nevada where women's volleyball team said we
don't want to play against San Jose State University that
has a man that is dominating women's college volleyball on
the team, and a lot of women are saying, we're
not playing in a match if they're going to have
a man competing against this.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's just not fair.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I also just wait for there to be a real
defense of this practice. You'll notice that whenever it comes up,
they are these there's these steps that the left will
go through. It doesn't happen that often. Why is it
such a big deal to you? Why are you being
so mean? Why can't you just be inclusive? They won't
(18:40):
address the core issue, which is not only is this
unfair biologically unfair? I mean, why why have age differences
in sports? Why not let sixteen year olds play ten
year olds in soccer or basketball, Yeah, exactly, you know
why not? I mean, why do we have these separations?
Because we're trying to create some baseline of biologically based
(19:02):
fairness and they can't actually address this, So what do
they do? They attack? It's a little bit like what
I dealt with on the Bill Marshow. I'm smoking them
on all the arguments. So it's like, well, you're not
like that? Cool? Yeah, well what does that have to
do with anything? I mean, they can't make a coherent
defense of any of this, and in a sense, Kamala,
I'm going to offer something up. Clay. Kamala is actually
(19:24):
the perfect candidate for this moment in Democrat politics because
her incoherence on everything, the fact that she stands for
nothing except power is a perfect encapsulation of what the
Democrat Party of today is, and the fact that she
says her principles haven't changed when she's changed her mind
on everything is a perfect a perfect overview of where
(19:48):
the Democrat Party is right now. Nothing makes sense and
it's not supposed to shut up and let them run
your life.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
We've got another cut that I wanted to play. We
mentioned that Kamala did a town hall and every time
she does one of these interviews. There is a question
that to me becomes a central negativity associated with the
interview that she did, whether there's not a thing she
would change from the view and Colbet. Most recently, every
(20:18):
time she speaks she says something that turns off a
large majority of the population. I think that's why they
hit her to such an extent. But Buck, she was
asked about reparations. She in the past has said that
she believes reparation should happen. California studied the issue, and
even Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I understand the recommendation, but no, California,
(20:41):
which never permitted slavery, by the way, and has a
relatively small as a percentage of the population overall black population.
I think California is only six or eight percent black.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That sometimes surprises people large Asian, large Hispanic, large white population,
but not that large of a black population. She was
asked and Gavin Newsom said, the cost on this is
just outrageous. There's no way we can do it. Basically,
thanks for the recommendation, but we're not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
She said, we need to study it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Cost estimates around twelve trillion dollars for reparations. Buck, here's
Kamala on racial reparations.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yes, I'm running to be a president for all Americans.
That being said, I do have clear eyes about the
disparities that exist and the context in which they exist,
meaning history to your point, So my agenda, well, first
of all, on the point of reparations, it has to
(21:38):
be studied. There's no question about that. And I've been
very clear about that position.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Okay, let's talk about this. First of all. I love
when she says I've been very clear. When she gives
a non answer. This should be like if you were
like if Clay asked me, He's like, Buck, what do
you think about this? And I was like, I played
the fifth As I have been very clear about my answer.
It's like, well, you're not answering. Actually, you're choosing to
give a total non answer. In this process. A few
(22:04):
things that would come up, and this is one of
reparations I might add to the national electorate. Incredibly unpopular.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Eighty twenty against at least.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, eighty twenty against at least for obvious reasons. A
lot of people oppose this. But if you're going to
have reparations, here are the questions I have to ask
who gets them? What do you have to do to
qualify for them? How much? So questions like, if you're
a quarter African American, do you do you get like
twenty five percent of what the full reparations package would be?
(22:36):
You know, how far back do you go? I mean,
if you're half African American, let's say, yeah, you get
a different percent. These are the questions you would have
to answer. If you are a Nigerian immigrants, do the
United States have a higher than most groups in this
country household income? But would they know they wouldn't qualify
(22:56):
for reparations? Okay, well who does? Who doesn't? At what
point do you start to make these distinctions or rather
how far back do you have to go? And the
other part of the clay is it's immoral because you're
taking money from people today with the force of the
state based on some historical you know, some historical story.
And then also it's never enough. This is this is
the part of it that everybody knows, right, there would
(23:18):
never be enough money in this program, just like all
other redistribution of wealth programs. It's never enough to deal
with the problem.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, I mean it's it's messy on so many different levels.
To your point, you have to do percentage analysis, right,
because huge percentages of the people who live in America
here were not in America when slavery occurred. So if
you're an immigrant from from China, why in the world
should you be paying reparations to black people? It makes
(23:45):
no sense, right, So it's the huge percentage population wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Also, just you know, Jews who fled the Holocaust in
the Second World War, Okay, you just got here in
like nineteen fifty let's or you know, nineteen forty whatever,
they would be paying reparations, among many other people to
the black community for slavery that has been outlawed for
one hundred and fifty years. Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I also always enjoy two other points. One, I'm a
history nerd. So are we just forgetting the hundreds of
thousands of people who died in the Civil War? I
got an ancestor who died fighting in the Civil War.
He was motivated in some way over the issue of slavery.
Those people's lives don't matter. Some of us, literally who
are white, carry the blood of people who fought in
(24:29):
the Civil War on both sides, and that's a whole
historical mess in and of itself. But those guys who
actually gave their lives, some of them to enslavery, don't count, right.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think you'd have a very fair point if we're
going to do this. Historical ancestry is something you're responsible for.
You know, my family are Irish immigrants, and the Irish
side that got here into the North, it's very likely
they fought for the Union. So am I exempted right
to do you get it aggreited?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Do you get credited because you had Union soldiers who
fought in your background. Here's the other thing, buck that
nobody really wants to talk about. Well, should in Africa
pay a substantial amount of the reparations here? Since the
slaves were initially enslaved in Africa and Africans profited immensely
off the slave trade, it's as if there is no
(25:16):
reparations responsibility for that aspect of the slave trade.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I also think that you know, you can look at
a the closest thing that we've had in this country
to something along the lines of there are also people who,
by the way, I would I would point out, would
would claim that overall, you know, the welfare state that
this country has been supporting for the last seventy years
or so is a form of not even just for
(25:41):
the African American community, but across the board, meant to
repair historical injustices by for dispossessed communities. And I mean,
and you know, it's been a lot of money. It's
the point, right, there's already a lot of money that
is going to help people in this country. We have
a trillion dollar welfar stay in this country. Beyond that, though,
you look at the Native American population in the you
know Indian population, I think, ciny we're are we supposed
(26:03):
to call them? Now? The you know indigenous tribes, the
name keeps changing, which I think is just meant to
see who will be who. It's obedience training for the
rest of us. I might add, you know, you're not
You're not supposed to say Eskimo anymore because Eskimo is
only one tribe and they prefer I think more generally Inuit.
Our Alaska listeners, we've got a great station up in
up in Anchorage. They would know more about this than
(26:24):
I do. But oh, you know, if you say Eskimo,
you're being rude. I mean, we can't keep up with
all this. What's the name? Tough to know the name
because no written language, you know, not a lot of
textual basis for this stuff. But on the on the
Native American reservations clay across the country, this has been
a program for a long time, and there have been
special incentives given to those communities, and we as a country,
(26:46):
we never even really look at these. American reservations are
a horrible state of affairs when you look at things
like domestic abuse, alcoholism, violent crime per capita. These are
not happy places, the reservations. And then we have people
in Oklahoma listening who know exactly about this. We've had
the governor of Oklahoma, who himself is a Native America
(27:07):
by the way, member of a tribe, Kevin Stitt. And
this is not a program that has been successful at
all really when you look at it. So why would
we do these sort of race based preference programs, especially
after the Constitution has already told us that an admissions
it's bad, in redistribution of wealth it's good. Makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I would also add, historically, buck and this really gets
people all flummoxed.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Remember we were a.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Colony of great, great Britain for the vast majority of
time that there was slavery in the United States. Why
should the United States be responsible from sixteen nineteen to
seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty three, England should have
to pay all of the reparations to slaves in the
United States because England was the power here. We were colonies.
(27:57):
We were until we rever alted. We didn't have democracy
in this country.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So I never hear.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Anybody say, Okay, well, England is on the hook. We
only had legal slavery in the United States for eighty years,
and to your point, seventeen eighty three to eighteen sixty three.
To your point, buck, we've since had the welfare state,
which to a large extent since the nineteen sixties has
existed with the idea being that we're going to provide
some form of compensation and redress to people who were
(28:25):
discriminated against. We've had the welfare state and the Civil
Rights era almost as long now in the United States
since we had slavery. So anyway, I just love the
history of it. Very few people actually dive into it,
which is why, on its face, eighty percent of some
out Americans say this is a joke. Kamala believes it
(28:46):
should happen in twenty nineteen, and she's saying now it
should be studied still in twenty twenty four. Again another
swinging amiss.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the class in Buck show.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Buck, you continue to be our behind enemy lines observer
of what's going on on MSNBC. And I'll confess when
greg Our clips guy, sometimes I scroll through and I
look like I can't believe that the clips are real,
but I do want to play this. This is a
guy who is a popular best selling American historian, Michael Beschlos.
Some of you may have read his work before Buck.
(29:24):
In twenty twenty two, he said, if Republicans won the election,
that they would set up firing squads and that your
kids may get murdered. This was him on MSNBC in
twenty twenty two.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
A historian fifty years from now, if historians are allowed
to ride in this country, and if there are still
free publishing houses and a free press, which I'm not
certain of, but if that is true, a historian will
say what was at stake tonight? And this week was
the fact whether we will be a democracy in the future,
(29:58):
whether our children will be arrested and conceivably killed.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Maybe we've been wrong this whole time, Clay. Maybe a
man can turn into a hysterical woman, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
That was Becialos on MSNBC in twenty two. Here he
is in twenty four saying, if Trump's elected, of all
the things he's going to do, he's going.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
To ban the writing of history books. This happened.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Listen, if historians in the future are allowed to write books,
and by the way, that question is opened this morning,
and if people are allowed to go on television and
say what they think in the future, which again that
question is opened this morning. In the future, historians are
going to look back on this day and say, this
is the day that America made a choice between freedom
(30:44):
and democracy on one side, and authoritarianism and dictatorship.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I Michael, I mean, boy, he's like a little schoolgirl
freaking out here.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
What is he even talking about? Clay? This is where
I really want betting markets to be set up for politics,
because you can start to shut these people up, baby, Like, really,
Trump's going to ban their ban history books? Like what
are we going to put on that you know what, what.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Are we actually going to put every dollar that I have?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Buck?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
First of all, it's hysterical to think of all the
things that Trump would want to do. Ban a historian
from writing a book is so like on on the
Trump Care scale. This is like one billion on the
Trump Care scale. For a historian to think that Trump
is like, oh, your book is so incredibly powerful that
(31:33):
I can't allow anyone to read it is a different
level of arrogance. But what I want you to know
is this is what they're telling their brain dead audience.
And it's the same argument he made in twenty two
and Buck, you texted this and I watched it and
I couldn't believe it. Rachel Maddow, who's supposed to be
the smart same member in some way of MSNBC's on
(31:57):
air talent Buck, she said that if if Elon musk,
that if Kamala wins, she should end federal contracts with
SpaceX and not allow Elon must to be involved in
space anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
A completely don't. We can't play that right now, Clay,
because we'll come back to that after we talk to Caroline.
We'll come back to this conversation, but the thirty million
dollar a year woman at MSNBC, Rachel Maddow is taking
the night before the election, and I was watching it
and my jaw actually just kind of hit the ground.
The most intellectually indefensible and insane thing that I have
(32:32):
heard on maybe on MSNBC all along. It's not even
about Trump right now. They're talking about Elon like he's
an existential threat. She wants to stop the most important
person for space exploration in the history of the human
species and slap him down because he realizes Kamala is
a moron. That's how important it is to pretend that
(32:53):
Kamala is not stupid. We have to stop space exploration.
Get a grip, Libs.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
And just remember this book.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
They wouldn't have even been able to get the astronauts
back except for SpaceX's talent.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
NASA is so far behind now
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