April 11, 2024 • 36 mins
O.J. Simpson dies of cancer. Simpson trial impact on identity politics, media and racial division in America. 100 million people watched O.J. verdict. Callers weigh in on death of O.J. Simpson, including emotional childhood friend of Nicole Brown Simpson.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thursday edition of The Play Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Everybody, Thank you for being here
with us. As always, just a little guest preview, Eric Hovedy,
who is running for a critical Senate seat in Wisconsin.
He'll be with us in the second hour of the program.
(00:25):
He's a businessman, a philanthropist, and I think he's got
a really good shot of taking on the Democrat incumbent.
We shall discuss that, and also a lot going on
with the economy right now. People are starting to feel
more and more not just the pinch of high prices,
but the reality and the anxiety of this isn't going
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to change anytime soon. In fact, it's likely to get worse.
I think Biden's got some big problems on the economy,
even with all the games they're going to try to
play with Ray cuts and the rest of it. Certainly
something we'll get into battlefield Arizona. After that state Supreme
Court decision on an eighteen sixty four abortion law essentially
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legally resurrected in the aftermath of Roe v. Wade, Democrats
are already trying to flood the airwaves with scare tactics there,
and they think Arizona is now trending in their direction.
We'll get back into that discussion and talk about it.
But the big, the big breaking news that has hit
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all over the place in just the last hour or
so is that OJ Simpson. It's very interesting to see
how people are covering this given what happened. What he did?
You know, OJ Simpson? How are they going to describe
this fellow in the headlines depends on where you go.
He has passed away from cancer. So OJ Simpson is
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dead and this is for a lot of people bringing
back a whole bunch of memories. I remember this play
as the OJ Trial. Was the first time I had
ever paid attention to way criminal trial. I think I
was in the seventh or eighth grade. I can't even
remember now. It was on all the time. It really
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felt like, in a lot of ways, the beginning of
court TV as its own phenomenon or as a national obsession,
because it was the biggest thing for a while. I
remember watching live. I believe it was the Knicks against
the Houston Rockets. When I used to watch the NBA
because I was a big Knicks fan at the time,
and they cut from the game to show the White
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Bronco the Ford Bronco chase on the Highway, And this
brings back a lot of a lot of memories for people,
and also a reminder of how toxic and evil race
politics can be, because this was the first time, certainly
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in my lifetime, that I can remember somebody getting away
with something so incredibly heinous. Because essentially they said, this
is the argument that was made, was, well, there's a
lot of racism in this country, so let's just have
this as kind of a makeup call, if you will.
And two innocent people, one entirely unrelated to OJ in
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any context whatsoever, a bystander effectively brutally murdered Clay. I
know you're on Fox talking about this, and it's going
to dominate the headlines. I think for a port of today.
It feels quite strange to me. You remember when Abu
Baker al bag Daddy died and the New York Times
described him as a austere religious scholar. Yes, I'm seeing
(03:49):
a little bit of that, and I know that he
just died, and we usually don't want to speak ill
of the dead is this thing that we have. But
people got upset about the austere religious scholar. Also the
psychopathic terrorist, murderer and rapist Abu Baka al Buk Dottie
being described that way OJ's legacy. When they talk about
OJ's legacy, I feel like they've got to lead into
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what everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Here or else. They're part of a rewriting of history.
I believe in forgiveness and redemption. OJ never asked for either.
He's a killer, I believe based on all the evidence,
and frankly, I think he should rot in hell. And
I don't feel any compunction or necessity to tiptoe up
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to this. He never accepted responsibility for killing Nicole Brown
Simpson and Ronald Goldman, two innocent people. Buck he basically
cut their heads off. I mean, this was a incredibly
violent murder, even by violent murder standards. And then he
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became I think, and I tweeted this the forerunner of
identity politics as justification for anything. Because OJ Simpson got
off the jury found him not guilty of murder based
on him arguing that America had a racist history and
the Los Angeles Police Department had a racist history. And
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therefore he shouldn't be responsible for what happened. And in
fact that they framed him and the jury bought it,
I think to the eternal discredit of the jury. I
think OJ Simpson traded on true racism that I acknowledge
existed in the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties, innocent
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people who were guilty because.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Of their race.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
OJ then decided I'm going to swing that back in
the other direction, and I'm going to avoid punishment because
of my race. And I think it's a forerunner to
the modern identity politics culture that we've created today.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And Coulter had a line in one of her columns
about this where she referred to the the OJ verdict
for a while meant that the liberal white guilt bank
was closed, that you could no longer get away with
the same kinds of of you know, in treaties, arguments
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based on racial politics and racial positioning, because there was
such a there was such a revulsion to the verdict.
I mean, I don't know what it was like in
your school. I remember this very clearly. In my school.
I was at a Catholic school in New York City,
and there were not a lot of minority students, black
students in the school, but there were there were some
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and a few of them. We all listened on their
The only time anything like this happened when I was
in grammar school, we all listened on the radio. I
don't even we had a radio in the classroom. As
the verdict was, you know, read aloud, uh, and the
and a few of the black students jumped up and down, cheered,
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ran around the building and screamed in or face to everybody.
And I remember the school administrators didn't they everybody was
just show shocked by There was no punishment for this.
I mean, they just kind of were just they just
did this, and I guess it was considered acceptable. It
was such a toxic moment of race politics in this country.
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It is so grotesque that there was, finally, I think,
a national reckoning from all people of all ethnicities who
act in good faith and believe in the justice system
that this kind of thing cannot be allowed or cannot
be celebrated, cannot be allowed. I remember the uh you
mentioned this? You so you read the People Versus OJ.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So fabulous book, And if you are today to Jeffrey Tuban,
he's actually a really talented writer may may not be
able to avoid masturbating in front of female employees while
working at the New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I believe it was.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But he is a really talented writer, and it's a
great book. And if you want to go into the
specific details of that case, I know they turned into
a television show, which you watched.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So you and I can trade on this one because
I saw the show. I didn't read that book. I
didn't even know there was a book written by Jeffrey
Tuban on this The show was on FX. Cuba Gooding
Junior plays OJ. I thought the show was fantastic. Did
the show let me ask you this. The book, Tuban
is quite.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Confident that OJ is guilty, and he lays it out
like the I don't know. The television show made that
clear as well for people who were watching. One of
the terrible things is that it was so early in
DNA analysis that they were able to report poke more
holes in DNA analysis just because it was a new tech.
People forget this. It was a new technology right.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Now, it would be even it was an open and
shutcase then, I mean now, it would be a complete
absurdity because of the advances in the technology they have
for all this. But I remember this, this was a
because I followed the trial. I was a young kid.
I followed the trial and I remember parts of it.
I told you what it was like when the verdicant no.
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I remember feeling like it was a gut punch because
in my little thirteen year old mind, I was like,
we're still America, and we don't want innocent people being killed,
no matter how imperfect this country is. We all agree,
and in that moment, it wasn't true. In that moment,
there was from some people, there was so much animosity
toward whatever they perceive as the injustice of the system
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or the other, that they celebrated the massacre of two
innocent people. And we all knew what. No one really
believed that this was planted the whole he was looking
for the real killers. Clay he wrote a book. He
was going to publish a book. If I did it,
here's how I did it. What innocent person in the
history of the universe would do such a thing. Obviously
we know you know it's not This should be no
argument about it. I mean, if the jury was we
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found out the jury was ragged, would we all sit
around and talk about how, oh, he's innocent. But there's
a scene in The People Versus O. J. Simpson that
I thought was the most powerful scene of the whole
thing is And tell me if this is in the book,
when Marcia Clark sits down with Ron Goldman's dad and
it is you, you like well up with tears because
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he's like everyone's talking about OJ and his ex wife
and the and the celebrity affair. He's like, my son
is an innocent guy, didn't do anything in this lunatic
try to chop his head off. Yeah, and you're going
and you're telling me we may not be able to
get you know, he breaks down the whole thing. Ron
Goldman was just I mean, if this guy obviously murdered
his wife and mother of his children and the whole thing,
but Ron Goldman was just a guy standing there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, it's brutal to your point. And I'll mention this.
We talked about it because we were discussing the Princess
die death because the uh that event obviously, I said,
look nineteen eighty six Challenger explosion, the nineteen ninety five
OJ verdict. If you're around my age, I just turned
forty five, nineteen ninety seven, Princess Die, and then nine
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to eleven, that fifteen year window. Those are things that
I remember where I was in my high school. They
everybody had their own television, and even in your school
where you see you watch the ja Verton I launched
live in high school. I don't remember what I remember
what the wash. There were lots of people who were stunned.
There were some I mean I went to a you know,
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mixed race, largely diverse school, Martin Luther King. There were
lots of black kids celebrating, like in the in the
high school. The fact that OJ had gotten off because
it had turned into a referendum on blackness in some way, OJ,
which is which is what they spend a lot of
time on. OJ used to say all the time, I'm
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not black, I'm OJ. OJ turned his back to a
large extent on the black community to become a huge celebrity.
And then the the the the wild thing about it
is as soon as he got in trouble, now obviously
Johnny Cochrane comes in and look, the prosecutors did not
do a good job. If the glove fit doesn't fit,
you must have quit Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden, I
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think did a poor job. The h the judge, judge
was it you if I remember correctly, the Asian judge
who was in charge of the case, I think did
a poor job. And look the way I thought about
it then and I still think about it now, is
beyond a reasonable doubt as a high standard. So everybody
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has a different percentage of what beyond a reasonable doubt means.
To me, it's always been like ninety eight ninety nine percent.
You're certain can't remove all doubt from any case. But
to me, based on reading all the evidence and studying
this and even paying attention to it as a lawyer
as I got older, there is no doubt that O. J.
Simpson committed double murder, got away with it, and never
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accepted any responsibility at all for what he had done.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That part of it is terrible enough. He did lose
a civil judgment for the murders. And I would just
note in the press they all refer to Trump as
a rapist because of the and it wasn't even rape
that he was. He was found good with sex assault
against Egan Carol. But just to be clear, look at
the games they played. They said, they'll say, oh, we
don't want to call him a murderer because well, he
was found that a civil trial to be a murderer.
(13:02):
And you know, Donald Trump, they call him, you know,
a sexual abuser, a rapist, and that was just based
on a civil trial. No one even charged him criminally
because they couldn't because the whole thing right against Trump,
as we know. But the notion that anyone and there
was and essentially that you had that same experience that
people would celebrate the not guilty verdict of a person
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who did what he did, that was a real moment.
It was a real moment of recognition of the country.
It was a reminder of how toxic, corrosive and evil
race politics are and looking at race as like this
collective where we have to have the way to imbalance
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previous injustices is to do injustice today. The whole thing
was was absolutely appalling. And the people that were making
excuses for oj and that went along with it, the
ones with a high en f IQ, they certainly had
to know that what they were doing was grotesque, and
you know it was I don't know, I'm trying to
think I think that was It's interesting because you remember
(14:05):
where you were in Princess dieded and I don't. I
remember the OJ verdict very clearly.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And you remember to your point. I mean a lot
of people sorry to cut you off the June sixteenth
when you're watching the NBA Finals and they cut in.
I believe it was June sixteen, nineteen ninety four. The
White Bronco chase, I think is one of the most
iconic moments in American television history.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I must have been eighth grade, so I
was thirteen years old, and I still remember, man, I
remember what happened there. I couldn't believe they went to
the I mean, it's the NBA Finals and it broke
through the finals to go to a and it was
just a car going forty miles an hour on the highway.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, they shut down the whole interstate in LA which
is wild for anybody who's ever set in LA traffic.
For the fact that that that actually occurred. You know,
the report is buck that OJ had a gun to
his head in the back of the car. I actually
think the world would have been better off if he
had shot himself in the head.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Eight two eight eight two. We want to add to
our OJ conversation. Here the guy died, and yeah, I know.
We're not waiting on this one. We're speaking ill of
the dead. Is more of a guideline than a rule,
so we're laying it down here.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I will forgive anything. Buck just about if you'd never
asked for forgiveness or accept responsibility for what you did,
I think you should rotten hell. I just I don't
believe you should not speak ill to the dead. If
the dead was ill behaved, I mean, and OJ was. Yeah,
we'll take some of your calls.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're reacting.
We'll take some of your calls maybe here at the
back half of this hour reacting to OJ Simpson. We
should also mention because a lot of people are forgetting this.
Oj went to prison. He was found civilly liable basically
bankrupted in the civil case. After the criminal acquittal, he
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then was charged with a crime in Las Vegas for
stealing his own memorabilia in sort of this weird slapstick
esque robbery and went to prison for a few years.
I'll look up exactly how long he's spent in prison
in what many people viewed as some sort of small
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measure of justice. And then obviously he got out. He
had his NFL pension and basically lived in Las Vegas
and played golf every day. Never paid any substantial penalty
in the civil case because he didn't have that many assets.
But we'll take your calls eight hundred two A two
two eight eight two if you want to react again.
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cancer overtook basically the entire country for about a year
in nineteen ninety four and nineteen ninety five, culminating in
that not guilty verdict the Bronco Chase one hundred According
to Jocanca, one hundred million people watched that verdict, which
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a two hundred and fifty or two hundred and sixty
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I want
to talk economy and inflation in just a moment in
here latest numbers and bring it into some of the
realities that we are seeing and what's affecting people. Everything
is more expensive, Uh, the jobs data is being manipulated.
(19:10):
It's almost all when you dig into the numbers part
time work that they're counting as the jobs created in
these recent numbers, they're always having to revise down. I
think seventeen out of eighteen times or something. Now they've
they've had to revise down the numbers the second month.
So I want to get into some of this because
the economic picture that they're trying to portray, for obvious reasons,
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they're being untruthful and inaccurate about it. But first, we
got no surprise, a lot of interest in the the
death of OJ Simpson today, and I want to take
some of your calls on this.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
One eight hundred two A two two eight eight two
Keith in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Keith, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Thank you, Thank you guys for taking my call. I'm
doing well, thank you. I'm a diehard Trump fan. I
just want to say this. I was thirty five years
old when that verdict came down. I'm a big NFL fan,
so I was at that time. I was rooting for
Oj to be, you know, set free. I quitted and
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he was. I kind of rejoice. But as I'm older now.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, I can I kind of ask you.
I gotta ask you. Did you actually think he didn't
do it? Or did you just not really care because
you liked him from football?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You have a ladder?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, I just kind of I was a football fan
and I kind of feared he did it, but I
was just rooting for him to be set free. And
now that I'm older, I'm sixty three, Now he did it,
and you know, he had that prison time that he
served and now he has to meet his maker.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
So God have mercy on his own.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's all I have in retrospect. You wish he had
been found guilty, and that the justice system wasn't made
a laughing stock and the two dead people's families weren't
put through that, like right like, in right respect, you
wish he was found guilty in the first place a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
But I think the DA was you know, like the
cops were, you know, had his blood in his car
for I don't know how long correcting if I'm wrong,
several days or something. So because they did a stupid,
sloppy job, I was like, well, this is what you
get for them.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, thank you for the call. They actually, the evidence
reveals OJ actually had a really good relationship with the police,
and so they were far too they deferred to OJ
far too much in the immediate aftermath of the murder.
They they gave him too much leniency, They gave him
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too much uh leeway, and if you again, I would
encourage all of you to read that book to pee.
I think it's The People Versus O. J. Simpson by
Jeffrey Tuban.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's a fabulously well written book.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Notwithstanding Tuban's other issues.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You don't need to keep We we all know Tuban had.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But I think if you, uh, I think, if you
go into it. Ali just texted that OJ had celebrity privilege.
It's certainly true. I think the cops were called to
his house for domestic violence incidents with Nicole eight times.
So this is a guy who was regularly.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Being used beating her up. He was a wife beater.
On top of everything, he's a wife beater, a convicted robber,
and kidnapper, and should have been convicted of a heinous
double murder. In claiming you know, I don't know it's yeah,
I agree, he served. I mean that anybody thinks there's
any question about any of this whatsoever, I'm I'm going
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to try to not completely lose my mind here.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
But okay, he served nine years in prison. Staff looked
this up after being convicted by a jury of armed
robbery and kidnapping. Relating to again, this was his own
sports memorabilia that they tried to reclaim in Las Vegas
and before.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I'm sure we'll take some more calls, but the evidence,
the LAPD and the history of bad things, the LAPD.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Is gonna be like Johnny Cochran's calling in from it.
He's passed away too. Now, yeah he's passed away as well. Yeah,
I don't begarte Johnny Cockran's job, and I've represented people
accused of now he's a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He did what he had to do. But I'm just
saying people don't need to believe the nonsense, and unfortunately
some people believe the nonsense. I'm sorry, but if you
are accused of murdering the mother of your children, at
no point would an innocent person who is not deeply
mentally unwill and and is not evil would think about
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writing a book about Look, if I killed the wife
and my if I did other of my children, this
is how I would have done it to get a
payday nobody. I'm sorry that put aside everything else. The
chance of you doing that, if you were really an
innocent person accused of murdering the mother of your children,
is zero. It's une percent. You wouldn't at zero that
you would do this.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Do you think there's any possibility that he confessed on
his deathbed that that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I just thinking that, like, like in the last few minutes,
I don't think so. I think I think that he
is a malignant narcissist. I think that he created a
deluded reality for himself in which he had to believe
his own lie just so we could get out of
bed in the morning. And his brain probably I'm not
a psychiatrist, but I have read about this stuff. His
brain probably suppressed the memory and created some alternative, alternative
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reality where he wasn't actually a vicious double murderer.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So yeah, can you imagine me and the kids your
dad chops your mom's head off.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean, I think they probably believe he didn't do it.
You know, that's people people that the brain will do
very you know, trauma in the way it's processed. The
brain will do very you know powerful, sometimes in a
bad way. You would you would think two that I
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just what I.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Mean, I'm just trying to work through all of this.
If if you were like, let's pretend that like he's
Richard kill the oj Vernick helped me me a conservative
by the way, I'm not even I hadn't even really
I told you about some other things early on. Yeah,
but I think as a thirteen year old seeing that
and seeing who are the good guys who are the
bad guys in this whole process, like who in the
media was taking his side and who was like no,
(25:14):
justice should be what is done here? And there was
a right left divide. I mean there was the sort
of you know, social justice democrat left was far more likely.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
To be like, well, you can't really prove it a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think it would be even worse today because I
think there would be I don't remember there being a
lot of people on OJ's side again, like everybody have
been people who thought there was a reasonable The.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Way they did it in the clay was always you know,
it has to you know, beyond beyond a reasonable doubt,
beyond a reasonable doubt. You know, there was kind of
this mantra and people were saying that it's like you
they wanted was beyond an unreasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I think there would be people today that would say,
even if he did it, she deserved it, because this
is what racism drove him to. If this happened today,
there would be woke scholars, probably on tenure at Harvard
and other places that would say the total racism of
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society caused OJ Simpson to snap, he's not responsible for
his disagree with you, even though as you say the words,
actually I actually feel like bile lifting up. I think
it would It would be worse today. I think this
trial would than it would then because I remember most
people saying this is a total miscarriage of justice. I
think a lot of people would say it's the right
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verdict today.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean they were always relying on the and
again I'm going back when I was thirteen, but I
just remember it was always about process and anybody who
was making the case that the LAPD was racist in
the during the OJ trial was trying to carry you know,
carry water for the OJ defense, right. I mean that
was the whole. It was a total non Seculer had
nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And it totally has I would argue this was the
forerunner to you're not respond for what you do. Society
creates the situations that makes you not responsible for your
own individual actions.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, that was a view of criminal justice by the
by the radical left Democrats, stretching back to like the
weather underground days in nineteen sixty eight, and I mean
they it was always you know, society's fault. But okay,
see passion on this topic.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Still, isn't it amazing? Still runs high. This is because
everybody experienced it. I mean literally, I've bet everybody in
our audience. Yes, everybody, if you were you know, if
you were of age to remember, you know, so if
you were probably older than I don't know, five or
six years old, you remember what happened.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Oj Trial.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're pointing about one hundred million, one hundred million people.
This is Jocanca watched the verdict and ninety five million
buck watched the White Bronco Chase.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But what what else in America in recent years has
gotten a hundred million viewers in just the Super Bowl?
Just the Super Bowl? Yeah? Yeah, wow. Well look I've
got every line lit. So we'll take some more of
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Speaker 1 (30:09):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of you reacting all over the place with people wanting
to weigh in variety of different topics. Obviously, the OJ
Simpson death is paramount. Right now, Let's take a few
more of these calls. And while we do it, and
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Speaker 1 (30:44):
At least believe that there should be sorry, there should
be justice, believe there should be just there shouldn't be
justice in the justice system. Not unfortunately believing in the
justice system. David in Kenna saw Georgia, what you got
for us?
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Well, honestly believe that. I think of the Rodney King
verdict had a.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Lot to do with what happened with the O. J.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Simpson case.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Have right, that was the argument. But but but it
doesn't have anything to do with the O. J. Simpson case.
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (31:15):
That this is a well I disagree because Judge Edo,
the guys, the judge for the OJ Simpson case, that
city exploded and there were innocent people murdered in the streets,
and I think it had a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, thank you for the call. I think it opened
the door to Johnny Cochran using race as the defense
of O. J.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Simpson, Well, this was, but I mean one these two
things they're not doing is supposed to operate with what
happened to Rodney King is supposed to have zero influence
on the prosecutors, the judge, the jury. No one is
supposed to say, oh, well, there's this other case that
I don't like the verdict, this double murderer ago. Now,
(31:57):
to be fair to our caller, I didn't mean to
We didn't mean to cut them off there. What he's
saying is true, but the fact that it was true
was a grotesque miscarriage of justice. That's not the way
the system is supposed to work, or is set up
to work.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
By the way, I'll also say, we're gonna get some
conspiracy theorists. Now, some conspiracies are true. The problem is,
once you believe one conspiracy, the odds of everything being
a conspiracy is low. And I have found that you'll
have a conversation with somebody they'll be like, hey, the
COVID shot doesn't do what it's supposed to do. You're like, yeah,
(32:33):
that's what the evidence reflects. And then they're like, and
they also fake the moon landing and you're like, well,
you know, like at some point down the lot, you
can't always be a conspiracy guy. Frank in Texas, he's
a conspiracy guy. Frank, What you got the boy, Frank?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Well, I think that there was some evidence it wasn't
brought up. If you look at the early police reports.
When they first searched Nicole's apartment, they found cocaine that
was never brought up in trial.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Let me pause you for a moment. Here nineteen ninety
four in a rich person's house in La Brentwood, in Grillwood.
I think there were a lot of homes that had cocaine,
so like, I understand the reason they didn't allow it
to be brought up is because in general, it didn't
have anything to do with the murder at all.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But you can.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
Continue, Okay, the restaurant where Goldman worked, right, there were
two other waiters that were murdered, and there were actually
articles in La Times about these murders.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Within three months of the Goldman murder.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't know that. I don't know all that to
be true.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Look, you can say that you don't believe OJ is
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You can't say it. The
jury believe that I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think. I think this is a straightforward intelligence test,
and some people are fit. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Well, I think some people want to believe that the
conspiracy is always true, because once you see one conspiracy,
you start to see other conspiracies. By the way, Mike,
in South Carolina, you went to high school with Nicole
Brown Simpson.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Back in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So you went to high school with her. What was
she like? How do you feel today?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I couldn't be.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Happier that he's dead. I've been waiting for this day.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's emotional. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
We used to hang out, throw a frisbee in a
park and.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
She was your friend. W Huh she was your friend.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
She was my friend. Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
We used to go to our house, go swimming, you know,
have a lunch.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Her mother.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
I never really knew the dad that well, but her
mother was a great person. We'd go to their house
and just hang out this music, swim like I said,
we'd throw the frisbee around and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And you know, I've gotten in a lot of fights
over this because people say that's what she deserves for
going out with a black man and No, she didn't
deserve that, and you get a punch in the face
for that is what you get.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Look, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
For the I'm sorry to cut you off, but that
is I think the way that he's reacting is the
way that anybody who was a family member of Nicole
Brown Simpson or Ronald Goldman would be reacting today. No
one deserves any sort of violent act, no matter who
their boyfriend is, or what race they are, or what
religion they are. I think one of the lessons here
(35:59):
eight times the police were called to that house. Yeah,
if you know someone that is in in a domestic
violence laden relationship, you got to get them out because
it usually doesn't get better, and unfortunately you can end
like this.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And also I think it's this whole situation is a
reminder for the nation as we all think about oj
and we thought about him far more than we should,
considering what a horrible person he was. But race politics
are absolutely morally toxic and evil and wrong, and they
lead people, and they lead whole nations down the absolute
(36:38):
wrong path. We are all individuals, all created in God's image,
and to think of race as some kind of a
scoreboard is always the wrong approach
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thursday edition of The Play Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Everybody, Thank you for being here
with us. As always, just a little guest preview, Eric Hovedy,
who is running for a critical Senate seat in Wisconsin.
He'll be with us in the second hour of the program.
(00:25):
He's a businessman, a philanthropist, and I think he's got
a really good shot of taking on the Democrat incumbent.
We shall discuss that, and also a lot going on
with the economy right now. People are starting to feel
more and more not just the pinch of high prices,
but the reality and the anxiety of this isn't going
(00:49):
to change anytime soon. In fact, it's likely to get worse.
I think Biden's got some big problems on the economy,
even with all the games they're going to try to
play with Ray cuts and the rest of it. Certainly
something we'll get into battlefield Arizona. After that state Supreme
Court decision on an eighteen sixty four abortion law essentially
(01:12):
legally resurrected in the aftermath of Roe v. Wade, Democrats
are already trying to flood the airwaves with scare tactics there,
and they think Arizona is now trending in their direction.
We'll get back into that discussion and talk about it.
But the big, the big breaking news that has hit
(01:34):
all over the place in just the last hour or
so is that OJ Simpson. It's very interesting to see
how people are covering this given what happened. What he did?
You know, OJ Simpson? How are they going to describe
this fellow in the headlines depends on where you go.
He has passed away from cancer. So OJ Simpson is
(01:57):
dead and this is for a lot of people bringing
back a whole bunch of memories. I remember this play
as the OJ Trial. Was the first time I had
ever paid attention to way criminal trial. I think I
was in the seventh or eighth grade. I can't even
remember now. It was on all the time. It really
(02:19):
felt like, in a lot of ways, the beginning of
court TV as its own phenomenon or as a national obsession,
because it was the biggest thing for a while. I
remember watching live. I believe it was the Knicks against
the Houston Rockets. When I used to watch the NBA
because I was a big Knicks fan at the time,
and they cut from the game to show the White
(02:41):
Bronco the Ford Bronco chase on the Highway, And this
brings back a lot of a lot of memories for people,
and also a reminder of how toxic and evil race
politics can be, because this was the first time, certainly
(03:02):
in my lifetime, that I can remember somebody getting away
with something so incredibly heinous. Because essentially they said, this
is the argument that was made, was, well, there's a
lot of racism in this country, so let's just have
this as kind of a makeup call, if you will.
And two innocent people, one entirely unrelated to OJ in
(03:24):
any context whatsoever, a bystander effectively brutally murdered Clay. I
know you're on Fox talking about this, and it's going
to dominate the headlines. I think for a port of today.
It feels quite strange to me. You remember when Abu
Baker al bag Daddy died and the New York Times
described him as a austere religious scholar. Yes, I'm seeing
(03:49):
a little bit of that, and I know that he
just died, and we usually don't want to speak ill
of the dead is this thing that we have. But
people got upset about the austere religious scholar. Also the
psychopathic terrorist, murderer and rapist Abu Baka al Buk Dottie
being described that way OJ's legacy. When they talk about
OJ's legacy, I feel like they've got to lead into
(04:13):
what everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Here or else. They're part of a rewriting of history.
I believe in forgiveness and redemption. OJ never asked for either.
He's a killer, I believe based on all the evidence,
and frankly, I think he should rot in hell. And
I don't feel any compunction or necessity to tiptoe up
(04:35):
to this. He never accepted responsibility for killing Nicole Brown
Simpson and Ronald Goldman, two innocent people. Buck he basically
cut their heads off. I mean, this was a incredibly
violent murder, even by violent murder standards. And then he
(04:55):
became I think, and I tweeted this the forerunner of
identity politics as justification for anything. Because OJ Simpson got
off the jury found him not guilty of murder based
on him arguing that America had a racist history and
the Los Angeles Police Department had a racist history. And
(05:17):
therefore he shouldn't be responsible for what happened. And in
fact that they framed him and the jury bought it,
I think to the eternal discredit of the jury. I
think OJ Simpson traded on true racism that I acknowledge
existed in the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties, innocent
(05:38):
people who were guilty because.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Of their race.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
OJ then decided I'm going to swing that back in
the other direction, and I'm going to avoid punishment because
of my race. And I think it's a forerunner to
the modern identity politics culture that we've created today.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And Coulter had a line in one of her columns
about this where she referred to the the OJ verdict
for a while meant that the liberal white guilt bank
was closed, that you could no longer get away with
the same kinds of of you know, in treaties, arguments
(06:16):
based on racial politics and racial positioning, because there was
such a there was such a revulsion to the verdict.
I mean, I don't know what it was like in
your school. I remember this very clearly. In my school.
I was at a Catholic school in New York City,
and there were not a lot of minority students, black
students in the school, but there were there were some
(06:37):
and a few of them. We all listened on their
The only time anything like this happened when I was
in grammar school, we all listened on the radio. I
don't even we had a radio in the classroom. As
the verdict was, you know, read aloud, uh, and the
and a few of the black students jumped up and down, cheered,
(06:58):
ran around the building and screamed in or face to everybody.
And I remember the school administrators didn't they everybody was
just show shocked by There was no punishment for this.
I mean, they just kind of were just they just
did this, and I guess it was considered acceptable. It
was such a toxic moment of race politics in this country.
(07:18):
It is so grotesque that there was, finally, I think,
a national reckoning from all people of all ethnicities who
act in good faith and believe in the justice system
that this kind of thing cannot be allowed or cannot
be celebrated, cannot be allowed. I remember the uh you
mentioned this? You so you read the People Versus OJ.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So fabulous book, And if you are today to Jeffrey Tuban,
he's actually a really talented writer may may not be
able to avoid masturbating in front of female employees while
working at the New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I believe it was.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But he is a really talented writer, and it's a
great book. And if you want to go into the
specific details of that case, I know they turned into
a television show, which you watched.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So you and I can trade on this one because
I saw the show. I didn't read that book. I
didn't even know there was a book written by Jeffrey
Tuban on this The show was on FX. Cuba Gooding
Junior plays OJ. I thought the show was fantastic. Did
the show let me ask you this. The book, Tuban
is quite.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Confident that OJ is guilty, and he lays it out
like the I don't know. The television show made that
clear as well for people who were watching. One of
the terrible things is that it was so early in
DNA analysis that they were able to report poke more
holes in DNA analysis just because it was a new tech.
People forget this. It was a new technology right.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Now, it would be even it was an open and
shutcase then, I mean now, it would be a complete
absurdity because of the advances in the technology they have
for all this. But I remember this, this was a
because I followed the trial. I was a young kid.
I followed the trial and I remember parts of it.
I told you what it was like when the verdicant no.
(09:01):
I remember feeling like it was a gut punch because
in my little thirteen year old mind, I was like,
we're still America, and we don't want innocent people being killed,
no matter how imperfect this country is. We all agree,
and in that moment, it wasn't true. In that moment,
there was from some people, there was so much animosity
toward whatever they perceive as the injustice of the system
(09:23):
or the other, that they celebrated the massacre of two
innocent people. And we all knew what. No one really
believed that this was planted the whole he was looking
for the real killers. Clay he wrote a book. He
was going to publish a book. If I did it,
here's how I did it. What innocent person in the
history of the universe would do such a thing. Obviously
we know you know it's not This should be no
argument about it. I mean, if the jury was we
(09:44):
found out the jury was ragged, would we all sit
around and talk about how, oh, he's innocent. But there's
a scene in The People Versus O. J. Simpson that
I thought was the most powerful scene of the whole
thing is And tell me if this is in the book,
when Marcia Clark sits down with Ron Goldman's dad and
it is you, you like well up with tears because
(10:04):
he's like everyone's talking about OJ and his ex wife
and the and the celebrity affair. He's like, my son
is an innocent guy, didn't do anything in this lunatic
try to chop his head off. Yeah, and you're going
and you're telling me we may not be able to
get you know, he breaks down the whole thing. Ron
Goldman was just I mean, if this guy obviously murdered
his wife and mother of his children and the whole thing,
but Ron Goldman was just a guy standing there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, it's brutal to your point. And I'll mention this.
We talked about it because we were discussing the Princess
die death because the uh that event obviously, I said,
look nineteen eighty six Challenger explosion, the nineteen ninety five
OJ verdict. If you're around my age, I just turned
forty five, nineteen ninety seven, Princess Die, and then nine
(10:50):
to eleven, that fifteen year window. Those are things that
I remember where I was in my high school. They
everybody had their own television, and even in your school
where you see you watch the ja Verton I launched
live in high school. I don't remember what I remember
what the wash. There were lots of people who were stunned.
There were some I mean I went to a you know,
(11:10):
mixed race, largely diverse school, Martin Luther King. There were
lots of black kids celebrating, like in the in the
high school. The fact that OJ had gotten off because
it had turned into a referendum on blackness in some way, OJ,
which is which is what they spend a lot of
time on. OJ used to say all the time, I'm
(11:31):
not black, I'm OJ. OJ turned his back to a
large extent on the black community to become a huge celebrity.
And then the the the the wild thing about it
is as soon as he got in trouble, now obviously
Johnny Cochrane comes in and look, the prosecutors did not
do a good job. If the glove fit doesn't fit,
you must have quit Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden, I
(11:54):
think did a poor job. The h the judge, judge
was it you if I remember correctly, the Asian judge
who was in charge of the case, I think did
a poor job. And look the way I thought about
it then and I still think about it now, is
beyond a reasonable doubt as a high standard. So everybody
(12:15):
has a different percentage of what beyond a reasonable doubt means.
To me, it's always been like ninety eight ninety nine percent.
You're certain can't remove all doubt from any case. But
to me, based on reading all the evidence and studying
this and even paying attention to it as a lawyer
as I got older, there is no doubt that O. J.
Simpson committed double murder, got away with it, and never
(12:38):
accepted any responsibility at all for what he had done.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That part of it is terrible enough. He did lose
a civil judgment for the murders. And I would just
note in the press they all refer to Trump as
a rapist because of the and it wasn't even rape
that he was. He was found good with sex assault
against Egan Carol. But just to be clear, look at
the games they played. They said, they'll say, oh, we
don't want to call him a murderer because well, he
was found that a civil trial to be a murderer.
(13:02):
And you know, Donald Trump, they call him, you know,
a sexual abuser, a rapist, and that was just based
on a civil trial. No one even charged him criminally
because they couldn't because the whole thing right against Trump,
as we know. But the notion that anyone and there
was and essentially that you had that same experience that
people would celebrate the not guilty verdict of a person
(13:23):
who did what he did, that was a real moment.
It was a real moment of recognition of the country.
It was a reminder of how toxic, corrosive and evil
race politics are and looking at race as like this
collective where we have to have the way to imbalance
(13:44):
previous injustices is to do injustice today. The whole thing
was was absolutely appalling. And the people that were making
excuses for oj and that went along with it, the
ones with a high en f IQ, they certainly had
to know that what they were doing was grotesque, and
you know it was I don't know, I'm trying to
think I think that was It's interesting because you remember
(14:05):
where you were in Princess dieded and I don't. I
remember the OJ verdict very clearly.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And you remember to your point. I mean a lot
of people sorry to cut you off the June sixteenth
when you're watching the NBA Finals and they cut in.
I believe it was June sixteen, nineteen ninety four. The
White Bronco chase, I think is one of the most
iconic moments in American television history.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I must have been eighth grade, so I
was thirteen years old, and I still remember, man, I
remember what happened there. I couldn't believe they went to
the I mean, it's the NBA Finals and it broke
through the finals to go to a and it was
just a car going forty miles an hour on the highway.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, they shut down the whole interstate in LA which
is wild for anybody who's ever set in LA traffic.
For the fact that that that actually occurred. You know,
the report is buck that OJ had a gun to
his head in the back of the car. I actually
think the world would have been better off if he
had shot himself in the head.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Eight two eight eight two. We want to add to
our OJ conversation. Here the guy died, and yeah, I know.
We're not waiting on this one. We're speaking ill of
the dead. Is more of a guideline than a rule,
so we're laying it down here.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I will forgive anything. Buck just about if you'd never
asked for forgiveness or accept responsibility for what you did,
I think you should rotten hell. I just I don't
believe you should not speak ill to the dead. If
the dead was ill behaved, I mean, and OJ was. Yeah,
we'll take some of your calls.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
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Speaker 2 (15:28):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're reacting.
We'll take some of your calls maybe here at the
back half of this hour reacting to OJ Simpson. We
should also mention because a lot of people are forgetting this.
Oj went to prison. He was found civilly liable basically
bankrupted in the civil case. After the criminal acquittal, he
(16:45):
then was charged with a crime in Las Vegas for
stealing his own memorabilia in sort of this weird slapstick
esque robbery and went to prison for a few years.
I'll look up exactly how long he's spent in prison
in what many people viewed as some sort of small
(17:06):
measure of justice. And then obviously he got out. He
had his NFL pension and basically lived in Las Vegas
and played golf every day. Never paid any substantial penalty
in the civil case because he didn't have that many assets.
But we'll take your calls eight hundred two A two
two eight eight two if you want to react again.
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to talk economy and inflation in just a moment in
here latest numbers and bring it into some of the
realities that we are seeing and what's affecting people. Everything
is more expensive, Uh, the jobs data is being manipulated.
(19:10):
It's almost all when you dig into the numbers part
time work that they're counting as the jobs created in
these recent numbers, they're always having to revise down. I
think seventeen out of eighteen times or something. Now they've
they've had to revise down the numbers the second month.
So I want to get into some of this because
the economic picture that they're trying to portray, for obvious reasons,
(19:36):
they're being untruthful and inaccurate about it. But first, we
got no surprise, a lot of interest in the the
death of OJ Simpson today, and I want to take
some of your calls on this.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
One eight hundred two A two two eight eight two
Keith in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Keith, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Thank you, Thank you guys for taking my call. I'm
doing well, thank you. I'm a diehard Trump fan. I
just want to say this. I was thirty five years
old when that verdict came down. I'm a big NFL fan,
so I was at that time. I was rooting for
Oj to be, you know, set free. I quitted and
(20:18):
he was. I kind of rejoice. But as I'm older now.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, I can I kind of ask you.
I gotta ask you. Did you actually think he didn't
do it? Or did you just not really care because
you liked him from football?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You have a ladder?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, I just kind of I was a football fan
and I kind of feared he did it, but I
was just rooting for him to be set free. And
now that I'm older, I'm sixty three, Now he did it,
and you know, he had that prison time that he
served and now he has to meet his maker.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
So God have mercy on his own.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's all I have in retrospect. You wish he had
been found guilty, and that the justice system wasn't made
a laughing stock and the two dead people's families weren't
put through that, like right like, in right respect, you
wish he was found guilty in the first place a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
But I think the DA was you know, like the
cops were, you know, had his blood in his car
for I don't know how long correcting if I'm wrong,
several days or something. So because they did a stupid,
sloppy job, I was like, well, this is what you
get for them.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, thank you for the call. They actually, the evidence
reveals OJ actually had a really good relationship with the police,
and so they were far too they deferred to OJ
far too much in the immediate aftermath of the murder.
They they gave him too much leniency, They gave him
(21:41):
too much uh leeway, and if you again, I would
encourage all of you to read that book to pee.
I think it's The People Versus O. J. Simpson by
Jeffrey Tuban.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's a fabulously well written book.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Notwithstanding Tuban's other issues.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You don't need to keep We we all know Tuban had.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But I think if you, uh, I think, if you
go into it. Ali just texted that OJ had celebrity privilege.
It's certainly true. I think the cops were called to
his house for domestic violence incidents with Nicole eight times.
So this is a guy who was regularly.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Being used beating her up. He was a wife beater.
On top of everything, he's a wife beater, a convicted robber,
and kidnapper, and should have been convicted of a heinous
double murder. In claiming you know, I don't know it's yeah,
I agree, he served. I mean that anybody thinks there's
any question about any of this whatsoever, I'm I'm going
(22:39):
to try to not completely lose my mind here.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
But okay, he served nine years in prison. Staff looked
this up after being convicted by a jury of armed
robbery and kidnapping. Relating to again, this was his own
sports memorabilia that they tried to reclaim in Las Vegas
and before.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I'm sure we'll take some more calls, but the evidence,
the LAPD and the history of bad things, the LAPD.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Is gonna be like Johnny Cochran's calling in from it.
He's passed away too. Now, yeah he's passed away as well. Yeah,
I don't begarte Johnny Cockran's job, and I've represented people
accused of now he's a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He did what he had to do. But I'm just
saying people don't need to believe the nonsense, and unfortunately
some people believe the nonsense. I'm sorry, but if you
are accused of murdering the mother of your children, at
no point would an innocent person who is not deeply
mentally unwill and and is not evil would think about
(23:33):
writing a book about Look, if I killed the wife
and my if I did other of my children, this
is how I would have done it to get a
payday nobody. I'm sorry that put aside everything else. The
chance of you doing that, if you were really an
innocent person accused of murdering the mother of your children,
is zero. It's une percent. You wouldn't at zero that
you would do this.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Do you think there's any possibility that he confessed on
his deathbed that that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I just thinking that, like, like in the last few minutes,
I don't think so. I think I think that he
is a malignant narcissist. I think that he created a
deluded reality for himself in which he had to believe
his own lie just so we could get out of
bed in the morning. And his brain probably I'm not
a psychiatrist, but I have read about this stuff. His
brain probably suppressed the memory and created some alternative, alternative
(24:19):
reality where he wasn't actually a vicious double murderer.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So yeah, can you imagine me and the kids your
dad chops your mom's head off.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean, I think they probably believe he didn't do it.
You know, that's people people that the brain will do
very you know, trauma in the way it's processed. The
brain will do very you know powerful, sometimes in a
bad way. You would you would think two that I
(24:49):
just what I.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Mean, I'm just trying to work through all of this.
If if you were like, let's pretend that like he's
Richard kill the oj Vernick helped me me a conservative
by the way, I'm not even I hadn't even really
I told you about some other things early on. Yeah,
but I think as a thirteen year old seeing that
and seeing who are the good guys who are the
bad guys in this whole process, like who in the
media was taking his side and who was like no,
(25:14):
justice should be what is done here? And there was
a right left divide. I mean there was the sort
of you know, social justice democrat left was far more likely.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
To be like, well, you can't really prove it a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think it would be even worse today because I
think there would be I don't remember there being a
lot of people on OJ's side again, like everybody have
been people who thought there was a reasonable The.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Way they did it in the clay was always you know,
it has to you know, beyond beyond a reasonable doubt,
beyond a reasonable doubt. You know, there was kind of
this mantra and people were saying that it's like you
they wanted was beyond an unreasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I think there would be people today that would say,
even if he did it, she deserved it, because this
is what racism drove him to. If this happened today,
there would be woke scholars, probably on tenure at Harvard
and other places that would say the total racism of
(26:11):
society caused OJ Simpson to snap, he's not responsible for
his disagree with you, even though as you say the words,
actually I actually feel like bile lifting up. I think
it would It would be worse today. I think this
trial would than it would then because I remember most
people saying this is a total miscarriage of justice. I
think a lot of people would say it's the right
(26:32):
verdict today.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean they were always relying on the and
again I'm going back when I was thirteen, but I
just remember it was always about process and anybody who
was making the case that the LAPD was racist in
the during the OJ trial was trying to carry you know,
carry water for the OJ defense, right. I mean that
was the whole. It was a total non Seculer had
nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And it totally has I would argue this was the
forerunner to you're not respond for what you do. Society
creates the situations that makes you not responsible for your
own individual actions.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, that was a view of criminal justice by the
by the radical left Democrats, stretching back to like the
weather underground days in nineteen sixty eight, and I mean
they it was always you know, society's fault. But okay,
see passion on this topic.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Still, isn't it amazing? Still runs high. This is because
everybody experienced it. I mean literally, I've bet everybody in
our audience. Yes, everybody, if you were you know, if
you were of age to remember, you know, so if
you were probably older than I don't know, five or
six years old, you remember what happened.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Oj Trial.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're pointing about one hundred million, one hundred million people.
This is Jocanca watched the verdict and ninety five million
buck watched the White Bronco Chase.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But what what else in America in recent years has
gotten a hundred million viewers in just the Super Bowl?
Just the Super Bowl? Yeah? Yeah, wow. Well look I've
got every line lit. So we'll take some more of
your calls here on this, and then I promise we
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Speaker 1 (30:09):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of you reacting all over the place with people wanting
to weigh in variety of different topics. Obviously, the OJ
Simpson death is paramount. Right now, Let's take a few
more of these calls. And while we do it, and
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Speaker 1 (30:44):
At least believe that there should be sorry, there should
be justice, believe there should be just there shouldn't be
justice in the justice system. Not unfortunately believing in the
justice system. David in Kenna saw Georgia, what you got
for us?
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Well, honestly believe that. I think of the Rodney King
verdict had a.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Lot to do with what happened with the O. J.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Simpson case.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Have right, that was the argument. But but but it
doesn't have anything to do with the O. J. Simpson case.
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (31:15):
That this is a well I disagree because Judge Edo,
the guys, the judge for the OJ Simpson case, that
city exploded and there were innocent people murdered in the streets,
and I think it had a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, thank you for the call. I think it opened
the door to Johnny Cochran using race as the defense
of O. J.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Simpson, Well, this was, but I mean one these two
things they're not doing is supposed to operate with what
happened to Rodney King is supposed to have zero influence
on the prosecutors, the judge, the jury. No one is
supposed to say, oh, well, there's this other case that
I don't like the verdict, this double murderer ago. Now,
(31:57):
to be fair to our caller, I didn't mean to
We didn't mean to cut them off there. What he's
saying is true, but the fact that it was true
was a grotesque miscarriage of justice. That's not the way
the system is supposed to work, or is set up
to work.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
By the way, I'll also say, we're gonna get some
conspiracy theorists. Now, some conspiracies are true. The problem is,
once you believe one conspiracy, the odds of everything being
a conspiracy is low. And I have found that you'll
have a conversation with somebody they'll be like, hey, the
COVID shot doesn't do what it's supposed to do. You're like, yeah,
(32:33):
that's what the evidence reflects. And then they're like, and
they also fake the moon landing and you're like, well,
you know, like at some point down the lot, you
can't always be a conspiracy guy. Frank in Texas, he's
a conspiracy guy. Frank, What you got the boy, Frank?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Well, I think that there was some evidence it wasn't
brought up. If you look at the early police reports.
When they first searched Nicole's apartment, they found cocaine that
was never brought up in trial.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Let me pause you for a moment. Here nineteen ninety
four in a rich person's house in La Brentwood, in Grillwood.
I think there were a lot of homes that had cocaine,
so like, I understand the reason they didn't allow it
to be brought up is because in general, it didn't
have anything to do with the murder at all.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But you can.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
Continue, Okay, the restaurant where Goldman worked, right, there were
two other waiters that were murdered, and there were actually
articles in La Times about these murders.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Within three months of the Goldman murder.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't know that. I don't know all that to
be true.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Look, you can say that you don't believe OJ is
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You can't say it. The
jury believe that I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think. I think this is a straightforward intelligence test,
and some people are fit. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Well, I think some people want to believe that the
conspiracy is always true, because once you see one conspiracy,
you start to see other conspiracies. By the way, Mike,
in South Carolina, you went to high school with Nicole
Brown Simpson.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Back in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So you went to high school with her. What was
she like? How do you feel today?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I couldn't be.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Happier that he's dead. I've been waiting for this day.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's emotional. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
We used to hang out, throw a frisbee in a
park and.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
She was your friend. W Huh she was your friend.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
She was my friend. Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
We used to go to our house, go swimming, you know,
have a lunch.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Her mother.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
I never really knew the dad that well, but her
mother was a great person. We'd go to their house
and just hang out this music, swim like I said,
we'd throw the frisbee around and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And you know, I've gotten in a lot of fights
over this because people say that's what she deserves for
going out with a black man and No, she didn't
deserve that, and you get a punch in the face
for that is what you get.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Look, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
For the I'm sorry to cut you off, but that
is I think the way that he's reacting is the
way that anybody who was a family member of Nicole
Brown Simpson or Ronald Goldman would be reacting today. No
one deserves any sort of violent act, no matter who
their boyfriend is, or what race they are, or what
religion they are. I think one of the lessons here
(35:59):
eight times the police were called to that house. Yeah,
if you know someone that is in in a domestic
violence laden relationship, you got to get them out because
it usually doesn't get better, and unfortunately you can end
like this.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And also I think it's this whole situation is a
reminder for the nation as we all think about oj
and we thought about him far more than we should,
considering what a horrible person he was. But race politics
are absolutely morally toxic and evil and wrong, and they
lead people, and they lead whole nations down the absolute
(36:38):
wrong path. We are all individuals, all created in God's image,
and to think of race as some kind of a
scoreboard is always the wrong approach
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