May 6, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the hosts dive into several pressing topics, starting with a discussion on President Biden's mental and physical cognition. They highlight a new book that reveals concerns within the White House about Biden's ability to pass a cognitive test in February 2024. This segment underscores the alleged cover-up by Biden's staff, who publicly claimed he was fit for office while privately fearing he wouldn't pass basic cognitive assessments. The conversation also touches on the deep ties between the Democrat party and the corporate media, emphasizing the media's role in perpetuating this narrative.
The hosts then shift to the political implications of Biden's condition, discussing the potential criminality of the cover-up and the integrity of Biden's longtime doctor, Kevin O'Connor. They speculate on the motivations behind the early debate decision in June 2027, suggesting it was a strategic blunder by Biden's team.
Next, Clay and Buck discuss the broader impact of this revelation on the credibility of the Democrat party and the media, comparing it to a rigged sports game. They argue that real journalism should have exposed these issues before the election, not after. The conversation also includes a brief mention of the New York Knicks' comeback win over the Boston Celtics, adding a lighter note to the discussion.
The hosts then address the executive order signed by Trump to end gain-of-function research, linking it to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the origins of COVID-19. They criticize Dr. Fauci's role in covering up the involvement of American tax dollars in the research and call for criminal charges against him.
The hour concludes with a preview of the upcoming interview with Senator Rand Paul in the third hour, where they plan to discuss various topics including the executive order, the Ukraine mineral deal, tariff talks, and student loans. The hosts express their frustration with the lack of accountability for the Biden administration's actions and emphasize the need for more aggressive measures to hold those responsible accountable.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program
and there is a lot going on in the world
that we will dive into. Our friend Senator Rand Paul
of Kentucky will join us at the top of the
third hour of the program. He is our only guest today.
(00:24):
Eight hundred and two two two eight a two. If
you want to weigh in on a variety of different
topics that we will soon be diving in. Two. But
this story I wanted to dive into got a little
bit of attention, but I actually think it is super fascinating.
We are in the middle right now of what we
all told you would be coming, and it is the
(00:47):
Biden's mental and physical cognition. Everybody knew how bad it was,
and some of the stories that were not told when
Biden was still in office are now being told. And
there is a new story out that I think should
have gotten more attention than it has so far, and
I wanted to talk about this with you new upcoming
(01:08):
book that is out about Biden's ongoing mental and physical
struggles in the In the White House Sunday New York Times,
I read it. This is coming from a couple of
different reporters. The book How Trump Retook the White House
and Democrats Lost America says that in twenty twenty four February,
(01:34):
that there was a substantial debate inside of the White
House about Joe Biden doing a cognitive test, because in
February of that year, if you'll remember, they came out
with the Her Report, which described the President as a sympathetic,
well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. At that
(01:58):
point in time, the story he was becoming such an
issue that they thought about having Biden take a cognition test,
but they were afraid that he would not be able
to pass. Now, this is in February of twenty twenty four,
he still buck had nearly a full year as President
(02:20):
of the United States, and they did backchannel conversations, according
to the book, and the physician said, I'm not going
to lie if he fails it, basically, and so they
didn't believe that Biden would be able to pass the test.
This is again, this is the New York Times reporting
(02:41):
a book that's going to be out soon. This is
one of the things that is in the book. If true,
If this is true, This is a cover up that
I believe would be criminal, because if you have a
president of the United States and his staff which is
publicly proclaiming that he's sharp as attack and that he's
(03:04):
going to be able to run for reelection and be
president for four more years, but privately, that same staff
that's saying that publicly is afraid that if he took
a cognition test. And these cognition tests are not we're
not talking about the SAT the Act rolled into one.
It's not an ap course. It is a very basic
(03:25):
test that elderly people sometimes take to see whether or
not they have severe dementia, or whether their mental and
physical capabilities are enough for them to instance, be able
to live at home or drive a car, these kind
of things. Buck. This is staggering if this is true,
(03:45):
because it would mean thankfully we got through it, but
that what we were all talking about was likely true,
and that for a year the White House was trying
to cover up the entire last year of his presidency
that many of his top eight didn't even think that
he could pass a basic cognition test, and that's the
reason they didn't have him do it. Well, that's because
(04:07):
everybody knew that this guy had dementia. But the entire system,
the entire apparatus, was completely enmeshed in the line, and
they knew. Right what's going to be interesting here is
how do they get past this? And some of you,
I will say, have been pointing out, Look, we're going
to talk about the tariffs and the latest. You know,
the latest is that Trump knows what he's doing and
(04:29):
it's all fine. So everyone needs to calm down a bit.
But we'll talk about the news of the day, of course,
with respect to that. But why does this story still
matter so much? It matters because it shows everybody just
how deep the rot was between the Democrat Party and
the corporate Democrat media, the old media institutions that still,
(04:51):
even until this last election, I think Clay had more
of a more of a claim to, oh, we're trustworthy
and neutral than they should have. People had wised up
a lot. But now, if you believe The New York
Times isn't pushing a left wing agenda, you're just not
very smart, right if you believe that the Washington Post
is objective journalism. Even Jeff Bezos doesn't believe the Washington Post.
(05:14):
He owns it and he doesn't think it's objective journalism
based on what we've seen in the last election cycle alone.
He's figured this out right. So I think Clay, what's
interesting is, you know there's this reporting about the cover
up and it comes out now, and this is going
to be one thing. This will be contentious, especially for
anybody who's trying to say, well, look at all the
(05:36):
good journalism we're doing now about this. All of this
was known and knowable before the election. Real journalism would
have been telling us about this before the American people
were voting, right, because it doesn't just go to Joe Biden.
It goes to the credibility of the pro Kamala media
(05:56):
and all of the stories around her and all the
things that were going on at that time. So you know,
you can't try to rig the game. I watched my
beloved New York Knicks last night get a huge win,
play huge win over the Boston Celtic. It came back
from twenty points down. When's the last time you watched
it full? Did you watch the whole game or just
the end of it? No, My brothers texted me and said,
(06:19):
stop being a communist. They're about to win. There's five
minutes left or something, Okay, And I said, okay, brothers.
My brothers are the normal ones in the family. They
were watching, so I turned it on. But you know,
imagine if it came out that that one of those
teams had tried to rig the game by paying off
the refs. You're not a hero for telling us that
after the game is over and you've played a year later,
(06:41):
I think, and a year later, that's not heroic. Okay.
That's cleaning up after the parade of elephants and horses,
so to speak, has already gone by. And that's what's
going on here. It is clean up on aisle journalism,
and we're going to have this out I think with
anybody who sees it otherwise. Oh, by the way, just
(07:02):
one more thing, Clay, if they could have gotten a
doctor to lie, they absolutely would have gone forward with it,
because all these people have their jobs writing on whether
Biden can pass this cognitive test. The doctor that's what
I wanted to reference. This is, according to the New
York Times, is reporting on this book that's going to
come out. Mister Biden's longtime doctor, Kevin O'Connor told AIDS
(07:24):
he would not take the eighty one year old president's
political standing into consideration when treating him. Good for him? Basically, Yeah,
that guy is That guy is actually a hero in
this story when it mattered he had integrity that Biden's
have declined to comment on this story that is coming
out in this book. Can I just throw something out
(07:47):
there too? Sorry, you've got me fired up about this story.
Clay sent me the story. Now I'm fired up about
this story. Clay. You know who wanted the chief You know,
maybe the chief villain in this whole narrative is going
to be Jill Biden. I've been arguing that for a while,
you have because she in his book. It's going to
completely align with your Jill Biden is a chief villain.
(08:10):
Take but I think we're going to get some of
those details. Now. Can you imagine hiding your husband's dementia
from the country in a reelection camp we're not even
talking about Can he just get to the end? Right?
That would be bad enough? Okay, just six more months, Joe,
just six more months, Clay. They were telling us she
should be president for four more years. There are two
(08:32):
other things in this story that are in the book
that I think is Mike Donellan, a senior advisor to
Biden had worked for him since the eighties, told the
Harvard Political Review in March, even when they were worried
about this cognitive test, every day, I keep seeing him
doing the job. I still think he's the best person
to be president today. David Axelrod, top advisor to President Obama,
(08:56):
called into question in July twenty twenty two whether by
And would be able to serve another four years. He said,
the stark realities the President's going to be closer to
the ninety than eighty at the end of the second term.
It would be a major issue. That comment, according to
the book, prompted an angry call to Axelrod from Ron Klaym,
(09:16):
then mister Biden's chief of staff. He said, there's no
Obama out there acts who's going to do it if
he doesn't do it. That is why they covered. It's
not only Buck that they were aware and they wanted
to maintain power and everything else. It's that I think
(09:37):
they realized there was no one else who could do
better against Trump than Biden. So they were willing to
weekend at Bernie's two Joe Biden as long as they
could keep this lie going. And that's because there wasn't
somebody in the wings that they thought was better and
(09:57):
they ended up being correct because Kamala couldn't do it either.
I'll also point this out, Clay. I know you're I
know you're with me on this, but I just think
we have to keep on reminding everybody because remember the
people that went along with this line, they all still
run the Democrat Party. They're all still calling the shots
at most of you know, the non Fox networks, although actually,
(10:18):
you know, congrats to uh uh Newsmax and news Nation
for all the gains they're you know, they're making a
lot of gains, and it's and they've earned it because
they've built their brands at a time when these other
brands are just going into the side of the mountain
at high speed. But Clay, if they could have held
off on the debate until the election, yeah, they would
(10:40):
have even still the story. That's still the story. I
want to know more about why did they decide to
do it, And I think it was the biggest blunder
in political history of Clay. They should they would have
gotten away with this, in my mind. Now, I don't
know if they would he would have beaten Trump. That's
a different question. I don't think so. Look at look
at the result in the election. But they would have
(11:02):
dragged him to election day. All they had to do
was say, Joe refuses to platform an election denier. You
have to say it like that because you have to
have no testosterone when you say it, Joe refuses to
platform an election denier. The American people will decide at
the ballot box. Play. They could have kept Biden in
(11:22):
the seat. And I'll say this, it would have if
they had done that, forget about the debate, it would
have been a better showing for them than it was
with Kamala. I think, no question in my mind. I
think that's still the great untold story. Why did they insist,
Remember it was their call. Why did they insist on
the early debate because they're lying about his mental and
(11:46):
physical cognition. Already, he'd already locked up the overall nomination.
There was nothing they could have done to him. If
they had just waited to do a debate until September October,
it would have destroyed his chances. I think of reelection,
because everybody would have seen it and it would have
been impossible to replace him at that point in time,
(12:06):
but why not? Or we said it for a while,
we thought that Biden might say, I'm not even going
to platform Trump because his ideas are too crazy. People
have seen this debate already. They know what he thinks,
they know what I think. I believe that that might
have been the better play, because then they could have
(12:27):
kept the lie going. I think if you and I
were running the Biden twenty twenty four campaign, talk about
a thought experiment, and we had and we had sold
our souls, and the whole point was anything because if
we believe, let's say that Trump was the end of
the Republic, which isn't that just even more insane now
that we look around her, like, I mean, the country
is healing and things are going great. Yeah, that's the
end of the republic. We could have gotten Biden to
(12:50):
election day. Look at all this stuff they were able
to suppress. They could I agree with you who pushed
forward the early debate, because there are only two options.
The biggest own goal self inflicted wound in modern American politics,
Or maybe somebody was like, I just can't be a
(13:13):
part of this anymore. I think that's less likely I do,
but it's not impossible. That would have been the House
of Cards part. You know, if this is the television
show that Netflix did back in the day, the House
of Cards version would be we're going to trot him
out there and we're going to let him go up
in flames. But it is crazy to me that they
(13:35):
let this guide debate in June of twenty twenty seven.
I just think it's crazy. We'll talk about this. We'll
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interview for you in the third hour. Just want to
give you a heads up so you can make sure
you tune in with Senator Ran Paul. We're gonna talk
(15:08):
about a whole range of things with him. Always always
like having a Senator Ram Paul on. We're gonna talk
to him about the Executive Order on the ending of
Gain of Function Research Clay which was signed yesterday, plus
the Ukraine mineral Deal, tariff, talks student loans. I mean,
we we never can get through all the things we
want to talk to Senator Paul about, but we'll try
to get through as much of the critical news of
(15:29):
the day with him as we can. But yeah, Trump
signing an executive order to end gain of a gain
of function research. It's still mind blowing to me in
so many ways that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is
the site of a global pandemic outbreak and we have
(15:54):
a funding cutout that goes through some you know, sort
of intermediary from US government funds to that Wuhan Institute
of Virology and everyone just went along with this. It's
a the globe. The world is a big place, right, yes,
Like Earth. Earth has a lot of places. And for
a virus that is being studied to pop up right
(16:20):
near a place where I'm sorry, rather for a virus
to come out right near a place where it is
being studied, what are the odds of that just happened?
Now that we can really think with clarity about this, Clay,
I mean, this would be like being hit by a
satellite that fell from the sky and landed on you
while you were sunbathing in your yard. Like it could happen,
(16:41):
but it's one in a billion. Yeah, I mean, it's
like claiming that you happen to run into Mickey Mouse
when you're at Disney World. You'd be like, well, that's
kind of where I would expect Mickey Mouse to be, right, Like, okay,
you believe it, like Mickey Mouse just happened. This has
always been my argument, and this is where I just
sit back and use basic logic and talk with Ram
Paul about this. But it's why I think Fauci should
(17:03):
be facing criminal charges because all of this was directly
covered up by him, because I think he recognized early on,
uh oh, American tax dollars were used to help create COVID,
which he didn't want to take responsibility for, so he
put in place this crazy natural evolution theory and many
(17:27):
people just went along with it because they trusted him,
and they took advantage of a lot of reporters who
frankly probably weren't very good at science or math or
any high level biology courses. Right. I mean, I don't
regrets that I wouldn't be great at analyzing the DNA
of viral sequences either, and so they trusted Fauci to
tell the truth and he lied. And I think you
should face criminal charges for it because I think it's
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the newly elected Prime Minister of Camp in the Oval
Office right now, and there are a wide variety of
newsmaking comments that are coming out. We are adding all
of those clips in for you right now. I'll read
this quote. Trump says, quote he has a very very
(19:18):
big announcement to make before he departs for the Middle East.
It'll be one of the most important announcements that has
been made in many years about a certain subject. Now
that is an all time tease. I guess it could
be related to the Middle East and Israel. One of
my first thoughts, but I would think he would wait
until he gets there, is that Saudi Arabia is going
(19:41):
to sign on to the Abraham Accords, which would be
hugely important in terms of long range stability in the
Middle East if Saudi Arabia were willing or able to
do it. I would also think it could have something
to do with Iran and what sort of uh negotiations
(20:03):
or agreements could be coming there. Uh, that's kind of
what comes top of my mind, Buck, anything that you
think of. Obviously, a lot of people also wondering if
it could have to do with trade, but it seems
based on follow up questions that it doesn't have anything
to do with trade. So that's why my thought is
that maybe it would have something to do with the
Middle East, since that's where he's going. Uh, but that
(20:25):
would be my best guess. I mean, it's trump Man,
It's it could be. It could be any number. I
think your guesses are are are x are you know,
excellent in terms of probability, But with with a Trumpster,
you just don't know. It's Uh, it could be, it
could be anything. It could be huge, it could be
a little less than huge, could be By the way,
(20:46):
Pete Rose is getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, Like,
I mean, Trump has got his hands on everything that's
going on right now. Uh cc Linda from down in
Houston seven forty k t R h Land and she
wanted to weigh in what she got for us.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Clan Buck, you are totally missing the point on this
Biden dementia's story. This is not about the press and
their deceit. This is about the deceit of who was
running the country while he was in this mental state.
This has nothing to do with the president, has everything
to do with the deep state that took over while
(21:24):
he was in this situation.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, I think it's a smart point. I do think
the press's job ostensibly is to speak truth to power
and hold those in power accountable. So the fact that
the president had dementia and that they are supposed to
be the spokespeople in some ways for what's going on
in the White House matters. But we have talked a
ton about who was actually making decisions in the White
(21:47):
House for years. You can hit us on like like
you can hit us on Clay's absolute overconfidence that he
would not drown, slash be eaten by sharks swimming from
Alcatraz yesterday. You can hit him on that, you know,
Or I love the ai that shows me all warm
and cozy drinking coffee on the shore that our team
pulled together while you are swimming away from the sharks.
(22:10):
You cannot hit us on. We did not hammer Biden's dementia,
Obama's third term, Obama's advisors making all the decisions. I
think that I said whoever's making the decisions in this
White House as a as sort of an addendum to
anything that Biden signed or did probably a few hundred
(22:31):
times on this show since we started. Okay, same with Clay.
We have been so it's a fair point from our
from our dear listener. We appreciate it, but we did
not miss this story. We talked about it ad nauseum. Okay,
ad nauseum. So there are things you can hit us on.
It's like saying, Buck, you didn't hate masking enough under
the Fauci Coke. No, No, I hated it more than anyone,
(22:54):
longer than anyone. So to be fair, let's go again
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and Trump. We do not
have yet that audio in. We'll play it for you
when we do. Thomas and san Diego, what's up?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Hey, hey, yes to pick my call. Let me get
right to my point again in the same vein as
the last collar. I love you guys, but today you
guys are way off all right. I feel like calling
you both captain obvious. Okay, no kidding. It's like a
book came out saying the sky is blue really and
(23:32):
the media was biased and lied. Wow, what a revelation.
And then I got Clay, of all people sitting here
mentioning criminal charges twice I'm gonna tell you what we
need to move on to. Now we all know the obvious.
Here's the problem we have to be and I call
it Maga dash AF. And it's not the AF. You
(23:55):
think it's accountability force. Okay, you guys sell like the
Jim Jordan Caucus where they go on Fox and they
talk a great game. But the biggest question you should
be asking is now, what what are you gonna do?
I don't want to hear criminal, this criminal that we
can't even get a subpoena. I know Fauci has a.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Pardon, all right, Okay, so what do you want?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Subpoena him? Subpoena him, bring him in he cannot plead
the fifth because of the pardon, and ask him direct questions.
And if he lies now, the pardon doesn't cover his
current lies. We have so many levers we could use
with the FBI, the DOJ. I promise you, if the
shoe was on the other foot, we'd already have subpoenas
(24:42):
flying out of Congress. We'd have the DOJ pulling people
out of their house in the middle of the night. Oh,
as I recall, we've already seen that we need to
start holding this administration accountable and if you want to
put it in the media's faith, go on their shows
and every question they ask preface it with you have
(25:03):
no credibility. You said Biden was sharp? Now what are
you trying to question and catch me on? I mean,
what are we doing Trump sitting down with these same
media jackals and giving them the time of day? Who
cares about these books?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So I appreciate I appreciate your passion. I have a
couple of questions. One, do you feel like the Trump
administration is not moving fast enough, doing enough, or aligned
enough with the mission so far? Because it sounds to
me like when you said hold the administration accountable, it's
been one hundred days. Is the one hundred days not
(25:41):
good in your mind? Like, like, let's let's get into
reality here a little bit. What is your criticism of
what they've done in the three months that this has
been the administration?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Okay? I hate when people answer a question with a question,
But uh, do you think do you think that?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Wait? What is your question that I'm supposed to answer?
I don't run the FBI.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Number one? Number one, Trump is doing everything he can. Okay.
Number two?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay, all right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No, okay, No, they're not doing enough. All right? Trumps?
Who all the things? He probably shut them to? Who? Now?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Okay, who do you want to do more?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Okay? The Republican Congress, they control everything, probably not for
long if they keep going at this pace of doing nothing.
I want to see people subpoena. I want to see it,
and I want you guys, when you talk to Rand Paul,
I know what he's gonna say. Saucy this, saucy that. Okay, now,
what what are you gonna do about it? I'm tired
(26:43):
of the talk and pointing out the obvious to us.
We all know the guy was out.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I can I ask you what do you think happens
if you subpoena? No, this is important, What do you
think happens if they do subpoena? Like, we'll get Senator
Rampaul on later and we talk to these people that
you you want to do more, so we can certainly
try to pass along some of your passion and your message.
What do you think is going to happen if they subpoena? Fauci,
(27:09):
you seem to think that subpoena ing is a is
a magic bullet, so to speak, Like What do you
think happens if they subpoena fauci Well, first.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Of all, ask ask Steve Bannon, okay, for starters. But
I'll tell you what's gonna happen. Okay, is they everyone
who's been given these pardons? Again, Captain obvious, why have
they been given pardons? Okay, They've been given these these
ridiculous pardons and Congress has sat there, So tell Rampaul
(27:37):
call him in, all right, put him under oaths. He
can't plead the fifth okay, and he has to answer
direct questions, and if he lies, do exactly what they
did to everyone in Trump's first term who supposedly defied
subpoenas and lied. You gotta fight fire with fire. Someone
hits you with a stick, you gotta hit them back
(28:00):
with the whole damn tree. If we don't do that,
it's gonna be overcome the midterms, all right, because we're
gonna lose it. And then you think Trump is handcuffed.
Now he's gonna be completely out of the game.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So Trump is doing amazing work. You agree with that,
and I would assume his administration. I'm sorry, did I
miss that? What was he to run for?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
He doesn't need to run for reelection, so he doesn't
care about polls or what anyone says, right.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, so he still likes to be like So the
administration is doing is doing great work. I just bring
this up because when you're talking about Fauci, you seem
to think that even if we got Fauci in handcuffs, right,
that that would be some dream come true. Meanwhile, having
doctor Marty McCarey and having RFK Junior, having these people
fundamentally trying to reorient these institutions and make them function
(28:51):
better based on what we've learned about what happened under
Biden and people like Fauci, isn't that a more important
mission even than the humiliation of Fauci, which I think
has already occurred. And knowing that he can't go He's
not going to prison for anything that he did, Clay,
it is not.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I'm sorry, Buck. They can chew gum and walk at
the same time. If you want to stop Democrats for
doing what they did, you have to do it times ten.
I don't care about humiliation. Every one of those people
who got a pardon, they need to be brought in
and everyone involved. You can probably pick up people who
don't have the pardons based on the truths they're gonna
(29:34):
either have to tell or themselves are gonna lie under oath.
It's one or the other. So here's my point. If
you don't want this to go on after the midterms,
hopefully if the Dems, you know, hope, I hope they
don't win. But if they do, they're gonna keep doing
the same stuff. If you want them to. You fight
fire with fire. You don't sit here and go we're
(29:55):
gonna be the We're gonna take the high ground.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We're gonna uh hygrind. I mean, haven't there been a
lot of government officials. We just talked yesterday to a
former FBI special agent about the FBI special agents reassigned.
There have been thousands and thousands of people fired from
the federal government, including U said. There's obviously been some
justice for the j six prisoners because of thankfully Trump's
pardon of them. I mean, again, I appreciate the passion,
(30:20):
and I get that there's a there's a desire for
like the bare knuckle brawling right to come out, but
I do think that this is not twenty seventeen, one
hundred days in this administration is doing the things they
said they would do. And when you say Congress, the
truth is that Congress is going to turn around and
look at you and say, we don't have sixty votes
in the Senate. We can't pass major bills. Subpoenaing people
(30:44):
ken and will happen, I think, depending on which committee
you're talking about. But that's just more of the conversation
that we're already having about the lies that Fauci told
about the operations of the deep state. I think fixing
these things which the executive branch is doing is a
far more potent response then looking you know, it depends.
Some days we're told stop talking about the cover up
(31:05):
of Biden, stop talking about the deep state. We want
you to focus on what's going on now in Trump's agenda.
Then we try to focus on Trump's agenda, we get
hold on. You're letting them get away with it, you know. So,
to be fair, I think we're trying to establish some
kind of a balance here, Clay, I agree to be fair.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
To be fair, where is the Epstein files? Where's all
these things that seem to me like I to be fair?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Did I or did I not tell you that there
would be nothing in the JFK files, and that the
Epstein files would not be released. Okay, I mean, I
tell you the truth. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
The ram Paul's and these people, we need to push
them because, trust me, if that again, we have to
we have to give them an incentive not to do
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Okay, let me go and talk for a one time.
Let me just say this about Rampaul. The guy got
beaten nearly to death by his neighbor over his politics.
The guy has been Yes, the guy has been dragged
through the absolute mud over being one of the bravest
and most outspoken people in the entire country over COVID.
(32:13):
As angry as that random caller is from San Diego
about doctor Fauci, ran Paul wrote an eight hundred page
book laying out in explicit detail how much Fauci has
lied about gain a fun function, you can go after people.
Those guys are fired up and angry, and they put
their lives legitimately on the line every day. I don't
(32:36):
think saying ran Paul is not doing enough is a
very effective line of attack. So here here's look. I mean,
there's a reason we let that caller because I think
that there is a sense out there, and we see
in your talkbacks, in your emails. You know, on the
one hand, I want us to feel good about what's
going well and what's going right. And we've just discussed this,
you know, a couple of weeks ago. Whenever's the terriffs
(32:57):
and Trump economy. What did we say on this show.
Trump knows what he's doing. He's got the right team.
It's going to work out now. Ram Paul disagrees with
the tariff approach, by the way, and we'll talk to
him about that because we want it. He's among the
most principled members of the United States Senate in my opinion,
among the highest IQ people in the United States Congress
in my opinion, and I think that to Clay's point,
(33:20):
he's been a warrior on a lot of issues when
it counted. We'll hear from him on tariff. Some of
you agree, some of you will disagree, But don't for
a second think that there is anybody who wants justice
and wants there to be accountability for what was done
wrong under the Biden administration. Then the two guys that
you are listening to day in and day out on
(33:42):
this show, and we appreciate that you give us your time,
because we could go back and get into some of this.
There is a lot of people on the right have
taken a lot of heat from those communists for a
long time, and now finally we can set this right.
So the passion that we hear, we appreciate. But there
is an absolute focus here on following through on the mission,
(34:04):
on getting the information out there about what Trump and
his team are doing, and yes, trying to push Congress
where possible and intelligent to do more to help in
that mission. I think you said it well. There is
a tension right now between people who want blood and
revenge for what happened and people who want to say,
(34:25):
turn the page, it's time to focus on the let's
get tired of winning, and that tension I think is
out there in a significant way. The caller who just
called in, and I feel a lot of that. I'm
still angry. I want there to be consequences, but I
also understand that a lot of people are like, I
don't care what happened five years ago. I don't care
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Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program
and there is a lot going on in the world
that we will dive into. Our friend Senator Rand Paul
of Kentucky will join us at the top of the
third hour of the program. He is our only guest today.
(00:24):
Eight hundred and two two two eight a two. If
you want to weigh in on a variety of different
topics that we will soon be diving in. Two. But
this story I wanted to dive into got a little
bit of attention, but I actually think it is super fascinating.
We are in the middle right now of what we
all told you would be coming, and it is the
(00:47):
Biden's mental and physical cognition. Everybody knew how bad it was,
and some of the stories that were not told when
Biden was still in office are now being told. And
there is a new story out that I think should
have gotten more attention than it has so far, and
I wanted to talk about this with you new upcoming
(01:08):
book that is out about Biden's ongoing mental and physical
struggles in the In the White House Sunday New York Times,
I read it. This is coming from a couple of
different reporters. The book How Trump Retook the White House
and Democrats Lost America says that in twenty twenty four February,
(01:34):
that there was a substantial debate inside of the White
House about Joe Biden doing a cognitive test, because in
February of that year, if you'll remember, they came out
with the Her Report, which described the President as a sympathetic,
well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. At that
(01:58):
point in time, the story he was becoming such an
issue that they thought about having Biden take a cognition test,
but they were afraid that he would not be able
to pass. Now, this is in February of twenty twenty four,
he still buck had nearly a full year as President
(02:20):
of the United States, and they did backchannel conversations, according
to the book, and the physician said, I'm not going
to lie if he fails it, basically, and so they
didn't believe that Biden would be able to pass the test.
This is again, this is the New York Times reporting
(02:41):
a book that's going to be out soon. This is
one of the things that is in the book. If true,
If this is true, This is a cover up that
I believe would be criminal, because if you have a
president of the United States and his staff which is
publicly proclaiming that he's sharp as attack and that he's
(03:04):
going to be able to run for reelection and be
president for four more years, but privately, that same staff
that's saying that publicly is afraid that if he took
a cognition test. And these cognition tests are not we're
not talking about the SAT the Act rolled into one.
It's not an ap course. It is a very basic
(03:25):
test that elderly people sometimes take to see whether or
not they have severe dementia, or whether their mental and
physical capabilities are enough for them to instance, be able
to live at home or drive a car, these kind
of things. Buck. This is staggering if this is true,
(03:45):
because it would mean thankfully we got through it, but
that what we were all talking about was likely true,
and that for a year the White House was trying
to cover up the entire last year of his presidency
that many of his top eight didn't even think that
he could pass a basic cognition test, and that's the
reason they didn't have him do it. Well, that's because
(04:07):
everybody knew that this guy had dementia. But the entire system,
the entire apparatus, was completely enmeshed in the line, and
they knew. Right what's going to be interesting here is
how do they get past this? And some of you,
I will say, have been pointing out, Look, we're going
to talk about the tariffs and the latest. You know,
the latest is that Trump knows what he's doing and
(04:29):
it's all fine. So everyone needs to calm down a bit.
But we'll talk about the news of the day, of course,
with respect to that. But why does this story still
matter so much? It matters because it shows everybody just
how deep the rot was between the Democrat Party and
the corporate Democrat media, the old media institutions that still,
(04:51):
even until this last election, I think Clay had more
of a more of a claim to, oh, we're trustworthy
and neutral than they should have. People had wised up
a lot. But now, if you believe The New York
Times isn't pushing a left wing agenda, you're just not
very smart, right if you believe that the Washington Post
is objective journalism. Even Jeff Bezos doesn't believe the Washington Post.
(05:14):
He owns it and he doesn't think it's objective journalism
based on what we've seen in the last election cycle alone.
He's figured this out right. So I think Clay, what's
interesting is, you know there's this reporting about the cover
up and it comes out now, and this is going
to be one thing. This will be contentious, especially for
anybody who's trying to say, well, look at all the
(05:36):
good journalism we're doing now about this. All of this
was known and knowable before the election. Real journalism would
have been telling us about this before the American people
were voting, right, because it doesn't just go to Joe Biden.
It goes to the credibility of the pro Kamala media
(05:56):
and all of the stories around her and all the
things that were going on at that time. So you know,
you can't try to rig the game. I watched my
beloved New York Knicks last night get a huge win,
play huge win over the Boston Celtic. It came back
from twenty points down. When's the last time you watched
it full? Did you watch the whole game or just
the end of it? No, My brothers texted me and said,
(06:19):
stop being a communist. They're about to win. There's five
minutes left or something, Okay, And I said, okay, brothers.
My brothers are the normal ones in the family. They
were watching, so I turned it on. But you know,
imagine if it came out that that one of those
teams had tried to rig the game by paying off
the refs. You're not a hero for telling us that
after the game is over and you've played a year later,
(06:41):
I think, and a year later, that's not heroic. Okay.
That's cleaning up after the parade of elephants and horses,
so to speak, has already gone by. And that's what's
going on here. It is clean up on aisle journalism,
and we're going to have this out I think with
anybody who sees it otherwise. Oh, by the way, just
(07:02):
one more thing, Clay, if they could have gotten a
doctor to lie, they absolutely would have gone forward with it,
because all these people have their jobs writing on whether
Biden can pass this cognitive test. The doctor that's what
I wanted to reference. This is, according to the New
York Times, is reporting on this book that's going to
come out. Mister Biden's longtime doctor, Kevin O'Connor told AIDS
(07:24):
he would not take the eighty one year old president's
political standing into consideration when treating him. Good for him? Basically, Yeah,
that guy is That guy is actually a hero in
this story when it mattered he had integrity that Biden's
have declined to comment on this story that is coming
out in this book. Can I just throw something out
(07:47):
there too? Sorry, you've got me fired up about this story.
Clay sent me the story. Now I'm fired up about
this story. Clay. You know who wanted the chief You know,
maybe the chief villain in this whole narrative is going
to be Jill Biden. I've been arguing that for a while,
you have because she in his book. It's going to
completely align with your Jill Biden is a chief villain.
(08:10):
Take but I think we're going to get some of
those details. Now. Can you imagine hiding your husband's dementia
from the country in a reelection camp we're not even
talking about Can he just get to the end? Right?
That would be bad enough? Okay, just six more months, Joe,
just six more months, Clay. They were telling us she
should be president for four more years. There are two
(08:32):
other things in this story that are in the book
that I think is Mike Donellan, a senior advisor to
Biden had worked for him since the eighties, told the
Harvard Political Review in March, even when they were worried
about this cognitive test, every day, I keep seeing him
doing the job. I still think he's the best person
to be president today. David Axelrod, top advisor to President Obama,
(08:56):
called into question in July twenty twenty two whether by
And would be able to serve another four years. He said,
the stark realities the President's going to be closer to
the ninety than eighty at the end of the second term.
It would be a major issue. That comment, according to
the book, prompted an angry call to Axelrod from Ron Klaym,
(09:16):
then mister Biden's chief of staff. He said, there's no
Obama out there acts who's going to do it if
he doesn't do it. That is why they covered. It's
not only Buck that they were aware and they wanted
to maintain power and everything else. It's that I think
(09:37):
they realized there was no one else who could do
better against Trump than Biden. So they were willing to
weekend at Bernie's two Joe Biden as long as they
could keep this lie going. And that's because there wasn't
somebody in the wings that they thought was better and
(09:57):
they ended up being correct because Kamala couldn't do it either.
I'll also point this out, Clay. I know you're I
know you're with me on this, but I just think
we have to keep on reminding everybody because remember the
people that went along with this line, they all still
run the Democrat Party. They're all still calling the shots
at most of you know, the non Fox networks, although actually,
(10:18):
you know, congrats to uh uh Newsmax and news Nation
for all the gains they're you know, they're making a
lot of gains, and it's and they've earned it because
they've built their brands at a time when these other
brands are just going into the side of the mountain
at high speed. But Clay, if they could have held
off on the debate until the election, yeah, they would
(10:40):
have even still the story. That's still the story. I
want to know more about why did they decide to
do it, And I think it was the biggest blunder
in political history of Clay. They should they would have
gotten away with this, in my mind. Now, I don't
know if they would he would have beaten Trump. That's
a different question. I don't think so. Look at look
at the result in the election. But they would have
(11:02):
dragged him to election day. All they had to do
was say, Joe refuses to platform an election denier. You
have to say it like that because you have to
have no testosterone when you say it, Joe refuses to
platform an election denier. The American people will decide at
the ballot box. Play. They could have kept Biden in
(11:22):
the seat. And I'll say this, it would have if
they had done that, forget about the debate, it would
have been a better showing for them than it was
with Kamala. I think, no question in my mind. I
think that's still the great untold story. Why did they insist,
Remember it was their call. Why did they insist on
the early debate because they're lying about his mental and
(11:46):
physical cognition. Already, he'd already locked up the overall nomination.
There was nothing they could have done to him. If
they had just waited to do a debate until September October,
it would have destroyed his chances. I think of reelection,
because everybody would have seen it and it would have
been impossible to replace him at that point in time,
(12:06):
but why not? Or we said it for a while,
we thought that Biden might say, I'm not even going
to platform Trump because his ideas are too crazy. People
have seen this debate already. They know what he thinks,
they know what I think. I believe that that might
have been the better play, because then they could have
(12:27):
kept the lie going. I think if you and I
were running the Biden twenty twenty four campaign, talk about
a thought experiment, and we had and we had sold
our souls, and the whole point was anything because if
we believe, let's say that Trump was the end of
the Republic, which isn't that just even more insane now
that we look around her, like, I mean, the country
is healing and things are going great. Yeah, that's the
end of the republic. We could have gotten Biden to
(12:50):
election day. Look at all this stuff they were able
to suppress. They could I agree with you who pushed
forward the early debate, because there are only two options.
The biggest own goal self inflicted wound in modern American politics,
Or maybe somebody was like, I just can't be a
(13:13):
part of this anymore. I think that's less likely I do,
but it's not impossible. That would have been the House
of Cards part. You know, if this is the television
show that Netflix did back in the day, the House
of Cards version would be we're going to trot him
out there and we're going to let him go up
in flames. But it is crazy to me that they
(13:35):
let this guide debate in June of twenty twenty seven.
I just think it's crazy. We'll talk about this. We'll
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welcome back in Clay and Buck. We've got a great
interview for you in the third hour. Just want to
give you a heads up so you can make sure
you tune in with Senator Ran Paul. We're gonna talk
(15:08):
about a whole range of things with him. Always always
like having a Senator Ram Paul on. We're gonna talk
to him about the Executive Order on the ending of
Gain of Function Research Clay which was signed yesterday, plus
the Ukraine mineral Deal, tariff, talks student loans. I mean,
we we never can get through all the things we
want to talk to Senator Paul about, but we'll try
to get through as much of the critical news of
(15:29):
the day with him as we can. But yeah, Trump
signing an executive order to end gain of a gain
of function research. It's still mind blowing to me in
so many ways that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is
the site of a global pandemic outbreak and we have
(15:54):
a funding cutout that goes through some you know, sort
of intermediary from US government funds to that Wuhan Institute
of Virology and everyone just went along with this. It's
a the globe. The world is a big place, right, yes,
Like Earth. Earth has a lot of places. And for
a virus that is being studied to pop up right
(16:20):
near a place where I'm sorry, rather for a virus
to come out right near a place where it is
being studied, what are the odds of that just happened?
Now that we can really think with clarity about this, Clay,
I mean, this would be like being hit by a
satellite that fell from the sky and landed on you
while you were sunbathing in your yard. Like it could happen,
(16:41):
but it's one in a billion. Yeah, I mean, it's
like claiming that you happen to run into Mickey Mouse
when you're at Disney World. You'd be like, well, that's
kind of where I would expect Mickey Mouse to be, right, Like, okay,
you believe it, like Mickey Mouse just happened. This has
always been my argument, and this is where I just
sit back and use basic logic and talk with Ram
Paul about this. But it's why I think Fauci should
(17:03):
be facing criminal charges because all of this was directly
covered up by him, because I think he recognized early on,
uh oh, American tax dollars were used to help create COVID,
which he didn't want to take responsibility for, so he
put in place this crazy natural evolution theory and many
(17:27):
people just went along with it because they trusted him,
and they took advantage of a lot of reporters who
frankly probably weren't very good at science or math or
any high level biology courses. Right. I mean, I don't
regrets that I wouldn't be great at analyzing the DNA
of viral sequences either, and so they trusted Fauci to
tell the truth and he lied. And I think you
should face criminal charges for it because I think it's
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the newly elected Prime Minister of Camp in the Oval
Office right now, and there are a wide variety of
newsmaking comments that are coming out. We are adding all
of those clips in for you right now. I'll read
this quote. Trump says, quote he has a very very
(19:18):
big announcement to make before he departs for the Middle East.
It'll be one of the most important announcements that has
been made in many years about a certain subject. Now
that is an all time tease. I guess it could
be related to the Middle East and Israel. One of
my first thoughts, but I would think he would wait
until he gets there, is that Saudi Arabia is going
(19:41):
to sign on to the Abraham Accords, which would be
hugely important in terms of long range stability in the
Middle East if Saudi Arabia were willing or able to
do it. I would also think it could have something
to do with Iran and what sort of uh negotiations
(20:03):
or agreements could be coming there. Uh, that's kind of
what comes top of my mind, Buck, anything that you
think of. Obviously, a lot of people also wondering if
it could have to do with trade, but it seems
based on follow up questions that it doesn't have anything
to do with trade. So that's why my thought is
that maybe it would have something to do with the
Middle East, since that's where he's going. Uh, but that
(20:25):
would be my best guess. I mean, it's trump Man,
It's it could be. It could be any number. I
think your guesses are are are x are you know,
excellent in terms of probability, But with with a Trumpster,
you just don't know. It's Uh, it could be, it
could be anything. It could be huge, it could be
a little less than huge, could be By the way,
(20:46):
Pete Rose is getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, Like,
I mean, Trump has got his hands on everything that's
going on right now. Uh cc Linda from down in
Houston seven forty k t R h Land and she
wanted to weigh in what she got for us.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Clan Buck, you are totally missing the point on this
Biden dementia's story. This is not about the press and
their deceit. This is about the deceit of who was
running the country while he was in this mental state.
This has nothing to do with the president, has everything
to do with the deep state that took over while
(21:24):
he was in this situation.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, I think it's a smart point. I do think
the press's job ostensibly is to speak truth to power
and hold those in power accountable. So the fact that
the president had dementia and that they are supposed to
be the spokespeople in some ways for what's going on
in the White House matters. But we have talked a
ton about who was actually making decisions in the White
(21:47):
House for years. You can hit us on like like
you can hit us on Clay's absolute overconfidence that he
would not drown, slash be eaten by sharks swimming from
Alcatraz yesterday. You can hit him on that, you know,
Or I love the ai that shows me all warm
and cozy drinking coffee on the shore that our team
pulled together while you are swimming away from the sharks.
(22:10):
You cannot hit us on. We did not hammer Biden's dementia,
Obama's third term, Obama's advisors making all the decisions. I
think that I said whoever's making the decisions in this
White House as a as sort of an addendum to
anything that Biden signed or did probably a few hundred
(22:31):
times on this show since we started. Okay, same with Clay.
We have been so it's a fair point from our
from our dear listener. We appreciate it, but we did
not miss this story. We talked about it ad nauseum. Okay,
ad nauseum. So there are things you can hit us on.
It's like saying, Buck, you didn't hate masking enough under
the Fauci Coke. No, No, I hated it more than anyone,
(22:54):
longer than anyone. So to be fair, let's go again
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and Trump. We do not
have yet that audio in. We'll play it for you
when we do. Thomas and san Diego, what's up?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Hey, hey, yes to pick my call. Let me get
right to my point again in the same vein as
the last collar. I love you guys, but today you
guys are way off all right. I feel like calling
you both captain obvious. Okay, no kidding. It's like a
book came out saying the sky is blue really and
(23:32):
the media was biased and lied. Wow, what a revelation.
And then I got Clay, of all people sitting here
mentioning criminal charges twice I'm gonna tell you what we
need to move on to. Now we all know the obvious.
Here's the problem we have to be and I call
it Maga dash AF. And it's not the AF. You
(23:55):
think it's accountability force. Okay, you guys sell like the
Jim Jordan Caucus where they go on Fox and they
talk a great game. But the biggest question you should
be asking is now, what what are you gonna do?
I don't want to hear criminal, this criminal that we
can't even get a subpoena. I know Fauci has a.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Pardon, all right, Okay, so what do you want?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Subpoena him? Subpoena him, bring him in he cannot plead
the fifth because of the pardon, and ask him direct questions.
And if he lies now, the pardon doesn't cover his
current lies. We have so many levers we could use
with the FBI, the DOJ. I promise you, if the
shoe was on the other foot, we'd already have subpoenas
(24:42):
flying out of Congress. We'd have the DOJ pulling people
out of their house in the middle of the night. Oh,
as I recall, we've already seen that we need to
start holding this administration accountable and if you want to
put it in the media's faith, go on their shows
and every question they ask preface it with you have
(25:03):
no credibility. You said Biden was sharp? Now what are
you trying to question and catch me on? I mean,
what are we doing Trump sitting down with these same
media jackals and giving them the time of day? Who
cares about these books?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So I appreciate I appreciate your passion. I have a
couple of questions. One, do you feel like the Trump
administration is not moving fast enough, doing enough, or aligned
enough with the mission so far? Because it sounds to
me like when you said hold the administration accountable, it's
been one hundred days. Is the one hundred days not
(25:41):
good in your mind? Like, like, let's let's get into
reality here a little bit. What is your criticism of
what they've done in the three months that this has
been the administration?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Okay? I hate when people answer a question with a question,
But uh, do you think do you think that?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Wait? What is your question that I'm supposed to answer?
I don't run the FBI.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Number one? Number one, Trump is doing everything he can. Okay.
Number two?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay, all right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No, okay, No, they're not doing enough. All right? Trumps?
Who all the things? He probably shut them to? Who? Now?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Okay, who do you want to do more?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Okay? The Republican Congress, they control everything, probably not for
long if they keep going at this pace of doing nothing.
I want to see people subpoena. I want to see it,
and I want you guys, when you talk to Rand Paul,
I know what he's gonna say. Saucy this, saucy that. Okay, now,
what what are you gonna do about it? I'm tired
(26:43):
of the talk and pointing out the obvious to us.
We all know the guy was out.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I can I ask you what do you think happens
if you subpoena? No, this is important, What do you
think happens if they do subpoena? Like, we'll get Senator
Rampaul on later and we talk to these people that
you you want to do more, so we can certainly
try to pass along some of your passion and your message.
What do you think is going to happen if they subpoena? Fauci,
(27:09):
you seem to think that subpoena ing is a is
a magic bullet, so to speak, Like What do you
think happens if they subpoena fauci Well, first.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Of all, ask ask Steve Bannon, okay, for starters. But
I'll tell you what's gonna happen. Okay, is they everyone
who's been given these pardons? Again, Captain obvious, why have
they been given pardons? Okay, They've been given these these
ridiculous pardons and Congress has sat there, So tell Rampaul
(27:37):
call him in, all right, put him under oaths. He
can't plead the fifth okay, and he has to answer
direct questions, and if he lies, do exactly what they
did to everyone in Trump's first term who supposedly defied
subpoenas and lied. You gotta fight fire with fire. Someone
hits you with a stick, you gotta hit them back
(28:00):
with the whole damn tree. If we don't do that,
it's gonna be overcome the midterms, all right, because we're
gonna lose it. And then you think Trump is handcuffed.
Now he's gonna be completely out of the game.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So Trump is doing amazing work. You agree with that,
and I would assume his administration. I'm sorry, did I
miss that? What was he to run for?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
He doesn't need to run for reelection, so he doesn't
care about polls or what anyone says, right.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, so he still likes to be like So the
administration is doing is doing great work. I just bring
this up because when you're talking about Fauci, you seem
to think that even if we got Fauci in handcuffs, right,
that that would be some dream come true. Meanwhile, having
doctor Marty McCarey and having RFK Junior, having these people
fundamentally trying to reorient these institutions and make them function
(28:51):
better based on what we've learned about what happened under
Biden and people like Fauci, isn't that a more important
mission even than the humiliation of Fauci, which I think
has already occurred. And knowing that he can't go He's
not going to prison for anything that he did, Clay,
it is not.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I'm sorry, Buck. They can chew gum and walk at
the same time. If you want to stop Democrats for
doing what they did, you have to do it times ten.
I don't care about humiliation. Every one of those people
who got a pardon, they need to be brought in
and everyone involved. You can probably pick up people who
don't have the pardons based on the truths they're gonna
(29:34):
either have to tell or themselves are gonna lie under oath.
It's one or the other. So here's my point. If
you don't want this to go on after the midterms,
hopefully if the Dems, you know, hope, I hope they
don't win. But if they do, they're gonna keep doing
the same stuff. If you want them to. You fight
fire with fire. You don't sit here and go we're
(29:55):
gonna be the We're gonna take the high ground.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We're gonna uh hygrind. I mean, haven't there been a
lot of government officials. We just talked yesterday to a
former FBI special agent about the FBI special agents reassigned.
There have been thousands and thousands of people fired from
the federal government, including U said. There's obviously been some
justice for the j six prisoners because of thankfully Trump's
pardon of them. I mean, again, I appreciate the passion,
(30:20):
and I get that there's a there's a desire for
like the bare knuckle brawling right to come out, but
I do think that this is not twenty seventeen, one
hundred days in this administration is doing the things they
said they would do. And when you say Congress, the
truth is that Congress is going to turn around and
look at you and say, we don't have sixty votes
in the Senate. We can't pass major bills. Subpoenaing people
(30:44):
ken and will happen, I think, depending on which committee
you're talking about. But that's just more of the conversation
that we're already having about the lies that Fauci told
about the operations of the deep state. I think fixing
these things which the executive branch is doing is a
far more potent response then looking you know, it depends.
Some days we're told stop talking about the cover up
(31:05):
of Biden, stop talking about the deep state. We want
you to focus on what's going on now in Trump's agenda.
Then we try to focus on Trump's agenda, we get
hold on. You're letting them get away with it, you know. So,
to be fair, I think we're trying to establish some
kind of a balance here, Clay, I agree to be fair.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
To be fair, where is the Epstein files? Where's all
these things that seem to me like I to be fair?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Did I or did I not tell you that there
would be nothing in the JFK files, and that the
Epstein files would not be released. Okay, I mean, I
tell you the truth. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
The ram Paul's and these people, we need to push
them because, trust me, if that again, we have to
we have to give them an incentive not to do
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Okay, let me go and talk for a one time.
Let me just say this about Rampaul. The guy got
beaten nearly to death by his neighbor over his politics.
The guy has been Yes, the guy has been dragged
through the absolute mud over being one of the bravest
and most outspoken people in the entire country over COVID.
(32:13):
As angry as that random caller is from San Diego
about doctor Fauci, ran Paul wrote an eight hundred page
book laying out in explicit detail how much Fauci has
lied about gain a fun function, you can go after people.
Those guys are fired up and angry, and they put
their lives legitimately on the line every day. I don't
(32:36):
think saying ran Paul is not doing enough is a
very effective line of attack. So here here's look. I mean,
there's a reason we let that caller because I think
that there is a sense out there, and we see
in your talkbacks, in your emails. You know, on the
one hand, I want us to feel good about what's
going well and what's going right. And we've just discussed this,
you know, a couple of weeks ago. Whenever's the terriffs
(32:57):
and Trump economy. What did we say on this show.
Trump knows what he's doing. He's got the right team.
It's going to work out now. Ram Paul disagrees with
the tariff approach, by the way, and we'll talk to
him about that because we want it. He's among the
most principled members of the United States Senate in my opinion,
among the highest IQ people in the United States Congress
in my opinion, and I think that to Clay's point,
(33:20):
he's been a warrior on a lot of issues when
it counted. We'll hear from him on tariff. Some of
you agree, some of you will disagree, But don't for
a second think that there is anybody who wants justice
and wants there to be accountability for what was done
wrong under the Biden administration. Then the two guys that
you are listening to day in and day out on
(33:42):
this show, and we appreciate that you give us your time,
because we could go back and get into some of this.
There is a lot of people on the right have
taken a lot of heat from those communists for a
long time, and now finally we can set this right.
So the passion that we hear, we appreciate. But there
is an absolute focus here on following through on the mission,
(34:04):
on getting the information out there about what Trump and
his team are doing, and yes, trying to push Congress
where possible and intelligent to do more to help in
that mission. I think you said it well. There is
a tension right now between people who want blood and
revenge for what happened and people who want to say,
(34:25):
turn the page, it's time to focus on the let's
get tired of winning, and that tension I think is
out there in a significant way. The caller who just
called in, and I feel a lot of that. I'm
still angry. I want there to be consequences, but I
also understand that a lot of people are like, I
don't care what happened five years ago. I don't care
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