June 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with a dynamic broadcast live from Washington, D.C., featuring exclusive insights from inside CIA headquarters. Clay and Buck reflect on their visit, highlighting the agency’s role in national security and its support for President Donald Trump’s administration. The hour dives into several major political and economic developments. A key focus is the improving U.S. economy under President Trump, with inflation continuing to decline for the fourth consecutive month and wage growth outpacing the cost of goods. The hosts emphasize how this economic turnaround contrasts sharply with the Biden-era struggles, crediting Trump’s leadership for restoring financial stability. They also discuss the Federal Reserve’s potential interest rate cuts and the positive implications for mortgages, credit cards, and loans. Another major headline is the announcement of a new U.S.-China trade agreement, featuring a 50% tariff on Chinese goods and a 10% reciprocal tariff from China. The deal includes increased access to rare earth minerals, which Clay and Buck frame as a strategic win for the Trump administration and a blow to critics who predicted economic disaster under his leadership. The show also covers the stock market’s near-record highs, reinforcing the strength of the Trump economy. The hosts argue that even those who invested at the market’s peak have seen minimal losses, underscoring the long-term benefits of investing in America’s economic future. On the political front, Clay and Buck analyze the growing resistance to illegal immigration enforcement, particularly in blue states like California. They praise red-state governors such as Greg Abbott (Texas) and Ron DeSantis (Florida) for maintaining law and order amid protests. The hosts contrast the current administration’s firm stance with the chaos of the 2020 BLM riots, noting a significant shift in public sentiment toward securing the border and supporting deportations. They also explore the political fallout from Elon Musk’s recent social media outburst against President Trump. Musk has since apologized, reportedly after intervention from JD Vance and Susie Wiles. The hosts predict a reconciliation between Musk and Trump, emphasizing the importance of unity among influential conservative figures. They highlight Trump’s unique ability to forgive past conflicts and bring former critics into the MAGA fold. The hour wraps with a lighthearted moment as Clay and Buck react to a surprising revelation: President Trump once took flute lessons as a child. This unexpected detail sparks a humorous debate about masculinity and musical instruments, adding a personal and entertaining touch to the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Nick Clay Travis buck Sexton
Show Live from Washington, DC. A bunch of different moving
parts on the program today, a lot of different stories underway.
We started off the day at the CIA, which I'm
(00:22):
allowed to tell you because they took a photograph of
us inside of the CIA that I imagine at something
time will be shared. Pretty cool. I've never been to
CIA headquarters, Buck, you work for a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Turning to my high schoolers, Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We met a lot of people doing really good work
on behalf of President Trump at the CIA, and we
will talk about that a bit as the program progresses.
Several different stories to update you on. Elon Musk has apologized,
as we suggested would likely be the case, to President
(00:58):
Trump for his tweet that went megaviral last week. We
will discuss what exactly is happening there. Inflation for a
fourth straight month has come in below quote expert economic opinions.
The important thing about inflation is not only what is
the rate at which it is rising, but more importantly
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are your wages rising faster than the cost of goods?
For much of Joe Biden's tenure in office, that was
not the case. That's why when you went to the
grocery store you had far less money than you did before.
It's not just that prices rose, it's that your wages
did not keep pace as a whole with the cost
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of goods. That is now flipped in the President Trump economy.
Wage growth around four percent, which is very good, the
cost of goods growing at about two point four percent,
which is low. So that means that every single month
you are netting out. On average body's financial circumstances are
not the exact same, but more money in your pocket
(02:04):
for the goods you are purchasing. Inflation conquered and we
should be having and now there is increasing motivation for this,
the FED lowering interest rates, which would be very transformative
in a positive way for overall economic circumstances. Whether it's
for mortgages, whether it's for car loans, whether it is
(02:26):
for credit card interest debt, all of those different things,
the borrowing costs would become cheaper.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That is the direction we are going.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Early this morning, Trump announced also that the China and
the United States trade deal has effectively been reached and
that we are going to have consistent fifty percent tariffs
in place. China will have a ten percent tariff on
our goods, and that is another positive story.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
They're going to give a little more rare earth minerals
to us in the bargain as well, or more openness
to that, which is certainly a good thing. So we
need some of that. But progress clay on this which
we had been told all along. Oh my gosh, Trump
is going to run the global economy into a ditch.
That's the opposite of what is happening. Yes, not a
surprise to us.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
We are approaching all time record highs in the stock market.
Those record highs set in February and so they are
probably going to be challenged in the near future. We
are very close, which means, basically, as we told you,
even if you bought stocks for the first time in
your life in February, that is, you had never purchased
(03:36):
stocks before in the history of your life. You had
never had a retirement account, no four to oh one K,
no stock ownership, even buck if you bought at the
absolute apex, you could not have bought at a worse time.
You bought on the day and the hour that the
all time s and P five hundred height of all
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time was hit, you have lost about one percent. So
if you just didn't pay attention at all to stock
market prices and you bought on the worst day the
all time high was set on paper, Yeah, that's gonna
be very few people, most of of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Uh. The market the way it most immediately affects you
has to do with your four oh one K, your IRA,
your retirement accounts. So you're probably invested in the market
in those accounts. If you're in mutual funds for a
long period of time, and if you've just let the
money sit, it's doing what it's supposed to do. Getting
rich slowly or being wealthy slowly is the only sure
way to do it. And investing in and believing in
(04:37):
the US economy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Uh. There are otherwise.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I know there are quick ways, but I'm just saying,
if you're looking for a strategy, you want to do
it slow and steady.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
That wins the race. Clay.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
There's also I think just victory in the air so
far on the protests, which is a major a major
win for the administrations. You've got the good economic data,
the China trade, Uh, trade movement. Let's say it's not,
you know, not a done deal, but there's certainly discussions.
I think he had a ninety minute phone call Ishesion
Paying a few days back. So Trump is very much
(05:08):
and he's isn't amazing he's doing the phone call.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, we just had an administration.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We just had a president of the United States who
had people around him having to do everything for him
and make sure that he had enough apple sauce and
nap time throughout the day. Now we have a president
who is going up against the most powerful premiere in
the world who is not the President of the United States,
so number two and doing I think a very good
(05:35):
job of it. There's supposed to be some protests elsewhere.
We're watching this pretty closely. Texas Governor Abbott, for example,
saying Clay exactly what should be said, same thing with
Governor DeSantis and Florida might add protest all you want.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Protest is great.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You want to say that this is horrible, that they're
enforcing the law against illegals. You know subtexts you're nuts,
But okay, fine, you know you're you're allowed to say that.
You start hurting people or breaking property or breaking laws.
Can't block roadways, You're gonna get arrested, You're gonna be
held responsible. Just think about what a difference. It is
a vibe shift. As the kids say, from twenty twenty
(06:11):
with BLM riots to now National Guard deployment. We'll get
into someone Gavin Newsom is saying, he clearly is positioning
himself as the leader of the nationwide Democrat resistance to Trump.
I think he is from Ghostbusters if we were choosing
the form of the destructor. I think Gavin Newsom as
the leader of the Democrats is to our benefit.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Actually, I don't think that he is going to.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Be able to be as effective on this as he
certainly thinks he will be. But the fact that they're
able to largely so far could break out and get
crazy tomorrow, but largely meet and contain this anarchy in
the streets of LA is really encouraging.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I think it, as we said yesterday, is a
lesson that Trump learned in the first term. I now
that doesn't mean that there may not be some chaos
in blue states and cities. But to your point, I
don't think anyone who runs a red state, big red
states Florida with DeSantis, Texas with Abbott. I don't think
(07:09):
they're going Brian Kemp and Georgia, Bille and Tennessee decent
population red states that might have blue cities of a
decent population inside of them.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I don't think they're going to allow this to get
out of control? Now?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Could this get out of control in some blue cities
in blue states? Do I think that Tim Walls is
going to stop people from rioting in Minneapolis? Sadly no,
And I've bet a lot of you who are listening
to us in Minneapolis understand. Chicago. I don't have a
lot of faith in Pritzker or Branda Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
The overall feeling around this, though, the zeitgeist, the sense
of the national emotions on the illegal immigration issue is
very different as a percentage, I think, than what it
was during the BLM riots COVID. It was just this
crazy time and people felt I think it was just
(08:00):
like a mass anxiety disorder that a lot of people
were suffering through at that time, and so they're very
susceptible to emotional manipulation.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's my belief.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think we saw that play out, and that's not
the hardcore left. I just mean a lot of people
all of a sudden, I even do some conservatives. Look,
there were some Republicans who were like, you know, we
need to do police reforms, Like this does not mean
we have to do police reform. Yes, different now though, Clay,
because ten plus million illegals come in under Biden, the
exploitation of the kindness and decency of the American people
very clear for all to see, the lawlessness, the destruction
(08:30):
of sovereignty, and those numbers. We talked about this yesterday,
that you have legal immigrants moving forty points toward get
these illegals out of here. It is very hard for
them to run the usual playbook of this is racist,
this is xenophobic. I mean you have black Americans, Latino Americans,
any American. Basically at this point, any group any is
(08:54):
saying we actually need to have a secure border. A
majority of that group is saying we need to have
a secure border. And so when it's all Americans by
majority saying what the administration's doing is good, this is
why this resistance movement is crumbling. We knew this would
be it. By the way, the deportations. We said this
from the very beginning of Trump's victory. This would be
how they try to consolidate. They don't have it yet,
(09:15):
but they may get some incident somewhere they're looking. They
want some grandma who seems kindly and elderly to you know,
have an incident where she falls and hits her head
during an ice ray, and then all of a sudden,
the protests will take on some different emotional dimension.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think they are struggling because the overwhelming majority of
Americans are on the side of the deportation. And I
think they're also struggling because they whiffed in the early
days of characterizing this by focusing on guys like a
Brao Garcia who are clearly bad dudes, and making them
(09:52):
the Maryland Man, the Maryland father who actually, according to
indictment in my home state of Tennessee, was a human trafficker.
It gets harder to make a case when you pick
the wrong people to represent the case that you're going to.
This is really important what you're hitting on, and it
is the Democrats. The one thing that even under the
(10:14):
Obama years and even at least verbally verbally and openly
on during the Biden years when it came to border enforcement,
it was always we can agree that violent criminals should
be sent out of the country. Now, they didn't actually
agree in terms of what they did, but they would
say that. Now they're in a position where it's very
clear to anyone paying attention, you guys, meaning the Democrats,
(10:37):
the party overall, you don't believe that you actually want
them all to stay. You want everyone to stay, including
people who are praying on their fellow human beings and
fellow Americans, or rather Americans, not fellow Americans here who
are illegals and doing things that any other country would
expel them as quickly as they possibly could as a
(10:57):
foreign national committing crimes on their soil. This is a
big This is a big change in perception.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I do think that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
They are using Los Angeles as a test case, and
we'll see on Saturday. There is an expectation that they're
going to have an all day protest. I think they
are trying to create social unrest in the country. Here's
the challenge that I think they're.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Going to have one.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Overwhelmingly, the American public are saying, No. Two.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
What's the end goal.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Do you think there's anything they can do that's going
to make Trump stop trying to deport people. I just
don't think that Trump was susceptible because that was an
election year he was worried about what the optics were.
I don't think he's worried about the optics at all,
because I think he believes's one hundred percent right. I
think it was last week I said here, the number
one thing that I hear from friends of mine, not
in the media, but friends of mine who voted Trump,
(11:48):
is a version of I voted for this. I'm watching
the things happen that made me vote for Trump, in
my case, for the third time. You know, some of
the people I know, certainly many of them third time Trump.
It's kind of amazing think about third time Trump voters
haven't voted for Republican who's not Trump, and in over
a decade at least for a president. And here we
(12:09):
are watching how the Democrats are scrambling for some kind
of relevancy in opposition to him, and they're forced to
do things that I think put them an even weaker
political position going forward. You know, and with these protests,
it's not hard for people to see. Hold on a second,
(12:30):
you're telling us that illegal aliens are like the fabric
of this nation.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Better than Americans, harder working than Americans, even though they
broke the law to be here and all that. And
then we see people on the streets by the thousands
in Los Angeles and people waving Mexican flags and breaking
laws and waving other flags of other countries, particularly Latin
American countries, and breaking our laws. Yeah, that's why we
want to legal support it, right, I mean, this is
(12:56):
the optics of this. What people were seeing, and you
mentioned this on X was supportive of their perception that
we have a problem that needs to be solved with
illegals who have developed political power in places like Los Angeles.
Think about this. Illegal aliens are an important, an important
constituency of Mayor Karen Bass of Los Angeles and of
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Governor Gavin Newsom of California. People that aren't even supposed
to be in the country in the first place. And
that's a slap in the face. That's an outrage to
Americans who do have nothing but allegiance and fealty and
love for this place. And it increasingly it's just it's
all Americans, all colors, racist creeds, all people who are
actually supposed to be here. More and more of them,
(13:39):
I know, they are democrats who are still insane, but
they're saying, we don't have a country if we can't
determine who's here.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's pretty obvious. No doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
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Speaker 1 (14:54):
I had no idea what to expect at Langley. I
think maybe what stood out the most to me was
just how big that place is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I told you it's like arriving to a sports arena
every day, and there's so many lots that people change
into sneakers for the long walk from their car to
the building.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, I mean what I said, and obviously this is
the worst intelligence failure of any of our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That is kind of a bummer class. Yeah, well, but
you know nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
When you think that there's ten thousand or more people
whose only job is to stop terror at oh, it's
way more than ten thousands of yeah people.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Just to be clear, it's hundreds of thousands of.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
People, and none of them were able to be aware
of what was going to happen on nine to eleven.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't know if we're going to give you a
tour of the museum again, sir, excuse me, Like you know,
let's just learned.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It just thinks it makes me think about the counter
insurgency of all of facets of life. I always thinking
about this when we're driving back, and from a business perspective,
how hard it is.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
To move any bureaucracy.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And I was thinking about it in the context of Elon,
because if Elon wants to make a decision at Tesla
or its base, he's a dictator.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And you're not a dictator in the government, even if
you're the president, it doesn't matter. There's so many checks
and balances that are still within it. And so I think.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It was just you know, when you go, we're doing
a lot of meetings around here, but you walk in
and you just see how multifaceted and massive the government is.
Elon's frustration makes so much more sense. And then the
fact that he basically flipped out and now is apologies.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Let let's dive into this. We'll talk more about it.
Also a revelation from Trump courtesy of Mirnda Divine.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We will get you.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's gonna be an interesting day for Clay and the
mentions on X I can tell you that we got Trump,
we got flute playing.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This is a real thing that we'll get to in
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But first off, Trump put this out on truth social
I'm open to reconciling with Elon after seeing his latest post.
Elon knows I love him. JD knows this too. I
give the biggest and best reconciliations. Is that real or
is this a fake truth social post? Because people are
saying that there's there's an opening here and the Trump
is being very forgiving. But this one I have to
(17:15):
actually check and see. It has been shared by some
big accounts. There is talk of reconciliation already. That's the
you know, there's talk of things calming down between those two,
So that is real. I'm just seeing this truth social
post in real time.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Late last night, Elon posted that he apologized right that
we know that's confirmed. He said, quote, I regret some
of my posts about President Trump last week. They went
too far. That came up in the middle of the night,
and we come back. We'll dive into a Wall Street
Journal report saying JD. Vance and Susie Wiles are to
credit for that because they basically talked Elon off the leg.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Even if this truth social post I'm talking about is
a phony, there's so many of those these days. They're
gonna be fine. Trump and him are gonna be playing
golf together.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Just give it some time.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
Miranda Devine gonna join us in the next hour. She
sat down with President Trump in the Oval Office. Tomorrow,
Buck and I will be with President Trump in the
Oval Office. That should not be bad. It should be
a lot of fun, not.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Bad, not bad.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Tomorrow will also have Secretary of State Marco Rubio on
the program. He's going to spend a decent amount of
time with us up here in DC, just FYI. So
should be a pretty great there. And in the third
hour of the program today, we're going to talk with
Trishamo McLaughlin from inside of the White House about the
latest on the situation with LA and other cities out
(19:38):
there as it pertains to all of those decisions. But
there was a great deal of drama as you may
have heard last week about Elon Musk and Trump and
the flare up and everything else associated with it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
We have talked about it. I wasn't worried, You weren't worried.
People were all freaking out about this one. This is
just you know, a little speed bump.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And the Wall Street Journal right as we right as
we started this program released a story came out literally
as we started, headline Musk retreats on Trump attacks after
call from JD Vance Susie Wiles, and just right here
off the top, buck, let me hit you with this.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
JD.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Vance and Susie Wiles reminder, of course, Susie Wiles, chief
of staff in the Trump White House two point zero,
pushed Elon Musk to repair his relationship with President Trump.
After the tech billionaire blew up at the president dramatic
public falling out in a call last Friday, the Vice
President and the White House Chief of Staff urged Musk
(20:40):
to put an end to the feud. Musk de escalated
early Wednesday with his post jad Vance has by and
large state out of the fray. And we told you
that this was likely to happen. And again I was
kind of hinting at this because we spent the morning
at Langley. I think that Elon sees the government debt
(21:04):
as a major threat to American exceptionalism and to our
ability to continue to dominate the world. And if you
study Elon at all, and I think he's the greatest
capitalist that has ever existed in the history of capitalism.
With theer there's my seventeen year old got into this
discussion with me too, and he specifically side Rockefeller. But
(21:27):
I think if you look at what he's done at Tasla,
what he's done at SpaceX, and then layer in xai Uh,
you add in neuralink, you add in the boring company.
I don't think anybody has ever had the level of
capitalistic success that he has. And he is clearly the
richest man in the world right now, which would reflect
(21:49):
that the market has agreed with him in many ways.
But his management strategy, and I think this is a
great management strategy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And I'm not a very.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Good manager, so so for full disclosure there, I get
frustrated a lot when things don't move rapidly or as
rapidly as I would like. So I think I have
some level of sympathy here, and I think a lot
of you who have small businesses and have engaged in
entrepreneurship will understand this. Elon Musk says he finds what
is the most broken. His management style is find what
(22:20):
is the most broken important part of a business and
pour all your energy into fixing it. And so I
think he looked at the United States government as a
whole and said, our expenditures are broken the national that
is a problem. I want to solve it. I think
in his mind he solved it. But the problem is
(22:41):
when you are CEO and you control the company, you say,
do it and people have to do it when you're
in government. That's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, it isn't how it works.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
And you know last week I put the day the
hours this came out. Clay, a fellow on ex fisher
King wrote, we got through four years with Potus who
suffered from dementia and a VP with a room temperature IQ.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
This will be fine. We'll survive this too.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
About the Elon Trump, and I responded to him, Indeed,
I don't think anyone's gonna care much. By next week,
the bill will pass and Elon will be having dinner
with Trump and mar A Lago.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
By Christmas, It's all gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So I might have by the way, I might have
extended the reconciliation timeline too far. But these two guys,
ultimately it's about results. It's about bigger issues and things.
Elon's a volatile and emotional fellow. That's not a surprise.
He shouldn't have said what he said, and that's clear
he's apologized for it. What he said was actually so
(23:37):
out of line. And so when I say said, what
he wrote publicly was so out of line and absurd
that I think it was just clear. Look, he had
a tantrum, yes, and he's a guy who's used to
having tantrums and having everybody say sir, yes, sir, whatever
you want. Doesn't work with Trump, doesn't work in the
government in general, no one's really able to make those
kind of declarative you will do this or else statements.
(23:58):
And so now he's come, he's come back into the
fold and he's there to do it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I shouldn't say he's not in the government anymore, but
he's back in Maga world. I think, slowly but surely
with his apology, it's a clear apology to Trump. He
crossed the line. And look, we want Elon for what
he can do and what his skill set is. He's
also the richest guy on the planet. We want him
to stay on the team, so to speak. And I
just think he had a tough day, and that can happen.
(24:24):
People can have a tough day.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I think Trump understands, I mean, emotionally, a tough day
Elon well, and I think Trump deserves a great deal
of credit here. He fired back a little bit, but
as Trump goes, Trump's response was very muted to Elon,
when you've taken a five, five, six, bullet through your
ear and it missed your base of your skull by
(24:46):
an inch. And I truly mean this, I think at
your head with what Trump has been through with a stupid,
almost schoolyard insult. I think tomorrow again we'll talk probably
with Trump about this a little bit in the Oval office.
But Trump, I believe, sees Elon as a as like
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one of his kids, and I think he feels like
I mean, there's reports out there that Trump, so I'm
not speaking out of turn. I don't think that basically
Trump has described Elon as fifty percent genius, fifty percent boy,
meaning Elon doesn't necessarily have the social skills that you
(25:31):
would expect someone who has had the success in life
to have that he has had. And he's basically an engineer.
And I think we had a caller on Friday of
last week, if I remember who, or an email that
was really good, just talking about the fact that engineers,
and I mean really great builders are often so logical
(25:53):
in the way that they think that they miss emotional
cues because they are so focused on the friend work
of math and building. And there are a lot of men,
some women, but a lot of men who are particularly
geared that way in their thought, and I think Trump
sees that with Elon. And what's Trump's unique is, yes,
he's a builder, but he's a building he's a people guy.
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He's a people guy.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
He also pulls together the construction crews to make the thing,
but he actually isn't the guy who's hammering anything obviously,
and so's he's a people guy. And by the way,
you're thinking about the about numbers, this is the knock
on a lot of doctors is that they're really good
at the MCATs and but sometimes they lack a certain
personal touch. This is a very generic thing. This is
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what people look. I mean the brain is that in
that direction.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And you know what the number one sign, because I
did this as practicing lawyer, the number one likelihood that
you're gonna get sued if you're a doctor is not
actually yeah, it's not actually your failure as a doctor.
Bedside manner, if they love you, even if you screw
up as a doctor, they're less likely to sue you.
(27:00):
If you are brusque and kind of you treat yourself
as if you are God's gift to the medicine, then
your patients feel it and they're more likely to hold
it against you, and so I think, look, there's a
brusqueness probably that comes with Elon that I think Trump
gets to your point on building in order to get
you know, better than anybody in New York City, you
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have to go through so many procedural hoops to get
anything built that it is a political job in many
ways to build a skyscraper in New York City.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Until Rudy Giuliani came along. You also had to maneuver
through the mob demanding all kinds of payoffs and things.
The mob was deeply entrenched in the building of you know,
building in New York City, carding construction, all of that. So, yes,
that's absolutely true. Look, I think the Elon thing is
going to be fine. It's good that he's back to
focusing on what he does, which is SpaceX and Tesla
(27:53):
and the boring company and X and all in all,
he's made enormously positive contributions to the Trumpet administration. And
I would, I would say to the country clearly since
he has been red pilled. So he's a he's a
volatile guy, and things got a little crazy there. Look
look at some of we're going to talk to Secretary
of State Rubio tomorrow and Clay that's a guy who
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went toe to toe with Trump in a primary and
things got a little things got a little nasty. Same
thing with Senator Ted Cruz and Trump. Things got a
little nasty, and now everyone's hugged it out and they're
on the same team and they're trying to save the country.
Jd Vance twenty sixteen. You go back and see what
he said about Trump. It was not complementary, and now
he's his VP. I think this is one of Trump's
great attributes, or one of one of the superpowers that
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he has, is that he is always willing to overlook
past squabbles and differences to bring you on board the
MAGA train and you know, the Trump team. I think
that's something that's very especially for a politician and really
a leader of a movement, which is what he is.
That has been to his tremendous credit, Whereas I mean
(29:00):
Hillary Clinton infamous for holding grudges forever in politicians to
be there, I think most politicians are grudge guys and gals.
They remember what's written about them, they remember what's said
about them forever.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think it's very unique that he will forgive any
insult h and by the way, he'll give any insult
and also give it up, which is why I think
you're right. Trump and Elon are going to be breaking
bread sooner rather than.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And there was never a moment where I thought that
this was going to result. People are like, oh, no,
he's going to fund all the left. They've already got
billionaires funding all these crappy left wing sites that no
one reads. Anyway, It's not like that's going to be
some game changer. He's not going to do that. He
understands what needs to happen here for the country. And
I just think that when you're when you're running, when
you're pulling all nighters and you're sleeping on a cot
(29:50):
in whatever building he's been in DC, and you're trying
to deal with the vast bureaucracy and inefficiencies of the
United States government, can drive yourself a little crazy. And
if you're somebody who runs on high emotion and isn't
used to dealing with the kinds of challenges that is
really unique to the federal government in terms of how
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just inefficient the whole thing is. It's almost it really
is meant to be inefficient in a lot of ways.
And so I think that that's what we saw come down.
But I'm I'm not worried about it. I think we
can pretty much move past it. Now they're gonna, they're
gonna reconcile. I'm sorry that Truth's social post was fake.
Uh this is I'm pretty sure it was fake at least,
and to tell was that I have the best, the
best reconciling or something. At the end, I was like, Oh,
(30:32):
there we go. So I saw that one in real time.
It looked like it was from a real account. It
had been shared. But the but the truth is that
there's already reprochment underway between Elon and Trump, and so
that's very good. And I think there's gonna be also
some reprochement between Clay and the flute playing community. If
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something we have a very we have a very important
announcement for all of you. I want I want to
hold you through here because we want to spend a
couple minutes on this one. But I don't know, I
don't know if Play's ever apologize for things that he
has said or anything that he has said before in media.
And we're gonna push them today and see, I think
you might have to owe some folks and apology, Clay,
about the masculinity of their instruments and the beautiful notes
(31:17):
and sounds that come out of a certain woodwind instrument.
And it involves a very famous person who played them.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I will tell you this. I'm not gonna apologize at all. Okay, Well,
we're gonna see. We're gonna see he's doubling down on it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
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Miranda Divine, who will be with us later on the
show today. We're big Miranda Divine fans here, but also
the one and only Donald J.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Trump.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
There has been some controversy on this program for quite
some time, mister Clay Travis out there spewing these absurd,
absurd things about the lack of testosterone and masculinity of
flute players, the players of flutes, Clay no less. And
(33:41):
here we have Donald Trump sitting down with Miranda Devine.
Does anyone to know what Donald Trump's childhood instrument was?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Play it? Did you ever play an instrument?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I played, like very short periods of time, the flute.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Would you believe?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Did you like? I had flute lessons? It's the first
person is ever asked me that crazy question. Yeah, I
had flute? Can you believe it? I could have been
a flutist and not did in particularly like it? I? No,
no, it wasn't for me, but and my mother had me
with I had instructors, an instructor coming to teach me
how to play the flute.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Who?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Get an unusual instrument?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You could maybe still do it?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I doubt it.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Make flute playing great again.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Clay now to be clear, I never said you couldn't
try to play the flute and then abandoned it, as
President Trump said, because it was not for him, because
he is a masculine man, and at some point in time,
I guarantee you he thought to himself, blowing into a
(34:49):
phallic object that I hold in close proximity to my
mouth is not something that I want to do for fun. Again,
it's Pride month. I'm not saying that some people could
have decided to do that. I'm us saying most choose
not to. And so I'm not surprised that President Trump,
as a as a great cultural uh experiment, may well
(35:14):
have tried several of the win based instruments but decided
that the flute wasn't for him. Now, Kamala Harris, we
know quite an a depth flute player, according to reports,
and there's nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure there
are other Democrat men. I bet Tim Wallas has played
a mean flute.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Back in the day. May still. But you know it's
not for me, It's not for most of us out there.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I do understand for the flute community, this is a
huge day coming for you right now.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I'm just telling you the.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Actual woodwind orchestral flute players in our audience. They have
had enough of your blasphemy. Play let's just let's just
check on the facts here, sir, before you run off
and get into the break. Donald Trump president slash former
flute player a true statement.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Will you now have to handle this, sir? I will
say the keyword there is former. He had tried it.
It wasn't for him.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He recognized that it would destroy He wouldn't have been
elected president. I'll tell you this. If he still played
the oh My and he abandoned it, he abandoned it
for other things.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I bet he was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
He's got a good ear. You know, he's very good,
very quick on his feet. He probably picks up a
tune fast. He was playing you know, Danny Boy and
all kinds of I'm gonna ask him about this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Why did his mom pick the flute? Why didn't you
bring in flute instructor because it's so masculine
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Nick Clay Travis buck Sexton
Show Live from Washington, DC. A bunch of different moving
parts on the program today, a lot of different stories underway.
We started off the day at the CIA, which I'm
(00:22):
allowed to tell you because they took a photograph of
us inside of the CIA that I imagine at something
time will be shared. Pretty cool. I've never been to
CIA headquarters, Buck, you work for a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Turning to my high schoolers, Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We met a lot of people doing really good work
on behalf of President Trump at the CIA, and we
will talk about that a bit as the program progresses.
Several different stories to update you on. Elon Musk has apologized,
as we suggested would likely be the case, to President
(00:58):
Trump for his tweet that went megaviral last week. We
will discuss what exactly is happening there. Inflation for a
fourth straight month has come in below quote expert economic opinions.
The important thing about inflation is not only what is
the rate at which it is rising, but more importantly
(01:21):
are your wages rising faster than the cost of goods?
For much of Joe Biden's tenure in office, that was
not the case. That's why when you went to the
grocery store you had far less money than you did before.
It's not just that prices rose, it's that your wages
did not keep pace as a whole with the cost
(01:42):
of goods. That is now flipped in the President Trump economy.
Wage growth around four percent, which is very good, the
cost of goods growing at about two point four percent,
which is low. So that means that every single month
you are netting out. On average body's financial circumstances are
not the exact same, but more money in your pocket
(02:04):
for the goods you are purchasing. Inflation conquered and we
should be having and now there is increasing motivation for this,
the FED lowering interest rates, which would be very transformative
in a positive way for overall economic circumstances. Whether it's
for mortgages, whether it's for car loans, whether it is
(02:26):
for credit card interest debt, all of those different things,
the borrowing costs would become cheaper.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That is the direction we are going.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Early this morning, Trump announced also that the China and
the United States trade deal has effectively been reached and
that we are going to have consistent fifty percent tariffs
in place. China will have a ten percent tariff on
our goods, and that is another positive story.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
They're going to give a little more rare earth minerals
to us in the bargain as well, or more openness
to that, which is certainly a good thing. So we
need some of that. But progress clay on this which
we had been told all along. Oh my gosh, Trump
is going to run the global economy into a ditch.
That's the opposite of what is happening. Yes, not a
surprise to us.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
We are approaching all time record highs in the stock market.
Those record highs set in February and so they are
probably going to be challenged in the near future. We
are very close, which means, basically, as we told you,
even if you bought stocks for the first time in
your life in February, that is, you had never purchased
(03:36):
stocks before in the history of your life. You had
never had a retirement account, no four to oh one K,
no stock ownership, even buck if you bought at the
absolute apex, you could not have bought at a worse time.
You bought on the day and the hour that the
all time s and P five hundred height of all
(03:57):
time was hit, you have lost about one percent. So
if you just didn't pay attention at all to stock
market prices and you bought on the worst day the
all time high was set on paper, Yeah, that's gonna
be very few people, most of of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Uh. The market the way it most immediately affects you
has to do with your four oh one K, your IRA,
your retirement accounts. So you're probably invested in the market
in those accounts. If you're in mutual funds for a
long period of time, and if you've just let the
money sit, it's doing what it's supposed to do. Getting
rich slowly or being wealthy slowly is the only sure
way to do it. And investing in and believing in
(04:37):
the US economy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Uh. There are otherwise.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I know there are quick ways, but I'm just saying,
if you're looking for a strategy, you want to do
it slow and steady.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
That wins the race. Clay.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
There's also I think just victory in the air so
far on the protests, which is a major a major
win for the administrations. You've got the good economic data,
the China trade, Uh, trade movement. Let's say it's not,
you know, not a done deal, but there's certainly discussions.
I think he had a ninety minute phone call Ishesion
Paying a few days back. So Trump is very much
(05:08):
and he's isn't amazing he's doing the phone call.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, we just had an administration.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We just had a president of the United States who
had people around him having to do everything for him
and make sure that he had enough apple sauce and
nap time throughout the day. Now we have a president
who is going up against the most powerful premiere in
the world who is not the President of the United States,
so number two and doing I think a very good
(05:35):
job of it. There's supposed to be some protests elsewhere.
We're watching this pretty closely. Texas Governor Abbott, for example,
saying Clay exactly what should be said, same thing with
Governor DeSantis and Florida might add protest all you want.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Protest is great.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You want to say that this is horrible, that they're
enforcing the law against illegals. You know subtexts you're nuts,
But okay, fine, you know you're you're allowed to say that.
You start hurting people or breaking property or breaking laws.
Can't block roadways, You're gonna get arrested, You're gonna be
held responsible. Just think about what a difference. It is
a vibe shift. As the kids say, from twenty twenty
(06:11):
with BLM riots to now National Guard deployment. We'll get
into someone Gavin Newsom is saying, he clearly is positioning
himself as the leader of the nationwide Democrat resistance to Trump.
I think he is from Ghostbusters if we were choosing
the form of the destructor. I think Gavin Newsom as
the leader of the Democrats is to our benefit.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Actually, I don't think that he is going to.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Be able to be as effective on this as he
certainly thinks he will be. But the fact that they're
able to largely so far could break out and get
crazy tomorrow, but largely meet and contain this anarchy in
the streets of LA is really encouraging.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I think it, as we said yesterday, is a
lesson that Trump learned in the first term. I now
that doesn't mean that there may not be some chaos
in blue states and cities. But to your point, I
don't think anyone who runs a red state, big red
states Florida with DeSantis, Texas with Abbott. I don't think
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they're going Brian Kemp and Georgia, Bille and Tennessee decent
population red states that might have blue cities of a
decent population inside of them.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I don't think they're going to allow this to get
out of control? Now?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Could this get out of control in some blue cities
in blue states? Do I think that Tim Walls is
going to stop people from rioting in Minneapolis? Sadly no,
And I've bet a lot of you who are listening
to us in Minneapolis understand. Chicago. I don't have a
lot of faith in Pritzker or Branda Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
The overall feeling around this, though, the zeitgeist, the sense
of the national emotions on the illegal immigration issue is
very different as a percentage, I think, than what it
was during the BLM riots COVID. It was just this
crazy time and people felt I think it was just
(08:00):
like a mass anxiety disorder that a lot of people
were suffering through at that time, and so they're very
susceptible to emotional manipulation.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's my belief.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think we saw that play out, and that's not
the hardcore left. I just mean a lot of people
all of a sudden, I even do some conservatives. Look,
there were some Republicans who were like, you know, we
need to do police reforms, Like this does not mean
we have to do police reform. Yes, different now though, Clay,
because ten plus million illegals come in under Biden, the
exploitation of the kindness and decency of the American people
very clear for all to see, the lawlessness, the destruction
(08:30):
of sovereignty, and those numbers. We talked about this yesterday,
that you have legal immigrants moving forty points toward get
these illegals out of here. It is very hard for
them to run the usual playbook of this is racist,
this is xenophobic. I mean you have black Americans, Latino Americans,
any American. Basically at this point, any group any is
(08:54):
saying we actually need to have a secure border. A
majority of that group is saying we need to have
a secure border. And so when it's all Americans by
majority saying what the administration's doing is good, this is
why this resistance movement is crumbling. We knew this would
be it. By the way, the deportations. We said this
from the very beginning of Trump's victory. This would be
how they try to consolidate. They don't have it yet,
(09:15):
but they may get some incident somewhere they're looking. They
want some grandma who seems kindly and elderly to you know,
have an incident where she falls and hits her head
during an ice ray, and then all of a sudden,
the protests will take on some different emotional dimension.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think they are struggling because the overwhelming majority of
Americans are on the side of the deportation. And I
think they're also struggling because they whiffed in the early
days of characterizing this by focusing on guys like a
Brao Garcia who are clearly bad dudes, and making them
(09:52):
the Maryland Man, the Maryland father who actually, according to
indictment in my home state of Tennessee, was a human trafficker.
It gets harder to make a case when you pick
the wrong people to represent the case that you're going to.
This is really important what you're hitting on, and it
is the Democrats. The one thing that even under the
(10:14):
Obama years and even at least verbally verbally and openly
on during the Biden years when it came to border enforcement,
it was always we can agree that violent criminals should
be sent out of the country. Now, they didn't actually
agree in terms of what they did, but they would
say that. Now they're in a position where it's very
clear to anyone paying attention, you guys, meaning the Democrats,
(10:37):
the party overall, you don't believe that you actually want
them all to stay. You want everyone to stay, including
people who are praying on their fellow human beings and
fellow Americans, or rather Americans, not fellow Americans here who
are illegals and doing things that any other country would
expel them as quickly as they possibly could as a
(10:57):
foreign national committing crimes on their soil. This is a
big This is a big change in perception.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I do think that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
They are using Los Angeles as a test case, and
we'll see on Saturday. There is an expectation that they're
going to have an all day protest. I think they
are trying to create social unrest in the country. Here's
the challenge that I think they're.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Going to have one.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Overwhelmingly, the American public are saying, No. Two.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
What's the end goal.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Do you think there's anything they can do that's going
to make Trump stop trying to deport people. I just
don't think that Trump was susceptible because that was an
election year he was worried about what the optics were.
I don't think he's worried about the optics at all,
because I think he believes's one hundred percent right. I
think it was last week I said here, the number
one thing that I hear from friends of mine, not
in the media, but friends of mine who voted Trump,
(11:48):
is a version of I voted for this. I'm watching
the things happen that made me vote for Trump, in
my case, for the third time. You know, some of
the people I know, certainly many of them third time Trump.
It's kind of amazing think about third time Trump voters
haven't voted for Republican who's not Trump, and in over
a decade at least for a president. And here we
(12:09):
are watching how the Democrats are scrambling for some kind
of relevancy in opposition to him, and they're forced to
do things that I think put them an even weaker
political position going forward. You know, and with these protests,
it's not hard for people to see. Hold on a second,
(12:30):
you're telling us that illegal aliens are like the fabric
of this nation.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Better than Americans, harder working than Americans, even though they
broke the law to be here and all that. And
then we see people on the streets by the thousands
in Los Angeles and people waving Mexican flags and breaking
laws and waving other flags of other countries, particularly Latin
American countries, and breaking our laws. Yeah, that's why we
want to legal support it, right, I mean, this is
(12:56):
the optics of this. What people were seeing, and you
mentioned this on X was supportive of their perception that
we have a problem that needs to be solved with
illegals who have developed political power in places like Los Angeles.
Think about this. Illegal aliens are an important, an important
constituency of Mayor Karen Bass of Los Angeles and of
(13:18):
Governor Gavin Newsom of California. People that aren't even supposed
to be in the country in the first place. And
that's a slap in the face. That's an outrage to
Americans who do have nothing but allegiance and fealty and
love for this place. And it increasingly it's just it's
all Americans, all colors, racist creeds, all people who are
actually supposed to be here. More and more of them,
(13:39):
I know, they are democrats who are still insane, but
they're saying, we don't have a country if we can't
determine who's here.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's pretty obvious. No doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
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I had no idea what to expect at Langley. I
think maybe what stood out the most to me was
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Speaker 3 (15:03):
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Well, I mean what I said, and obviously this is
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
That is kind of a bummer class. Yeah, well, but
you know nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
When you think that there's ten thousand or more people
whose only job is to stop terror at oh, it's
way more than ten thousands of yeah people.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Just to be clear, it's hundreds of thousands of.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
People, and none of them were able to be aware
of what was going to happen on nine to eleven.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't know if we're going to give you a
tour of the museum again, sir, excuse me, Like you know,
let's just learned.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It just thinks it makes me think about the counter
insurgency of all of facets of life. I always thinking
about this when we're driving back, and from a business perspective,
how hard it is.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
To move any bureaucracy.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And I was thinking about it in the context of Elon,
because if Elon wants to make a decision at Tesla
or its base, he's a dictator.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And you're not a dictator in the government, even if
you're the president, it doesn't matter. There's so many checks
and balances that are still within it. And so I think.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It was just you know, when you go, we're doing
a lot of meetings around here, but you walk in
and you just see how multifaceted and massive the government is.
Elon's frustration makes so much more sense. And then the
fact that he basically flipped out and now is apologies.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Let let's dive into this. We'll talk more about it.
Also a revelation from Trump courtesy of Mirnda Divine.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We will get you.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's gonna be an interesting day for Clay and the
mentions on X I can tell you that we got Trump,
we got flute playing.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This is a real thing that we'll get to in
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But first off, Trump put this out on truth social
I'm open to reconciling with Elon after seeing his latest post.
Elon knows I love him. JD knows this too. I
give the biggest and best reconciliations. Is that real or
is this a fake truth social post? Because people are
saying that there's there's an opening here and the Trump
is being very forgiving. But this one I have to
(17:15):
actually check and see. It has been shared by some
big accounts. There is talk of reconciliation already. That's the
you know, there's talk of things calming down between those two,
So that is real. I'm just seeing this truth social
post in real time.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Late last night, Elon posted that he apologized right that
we know that's confirmed. He said, quote, I regret some
of my posts about President Trump last week. They went
too far. That came up in the middle of the night,
and we come back. We'll dive into a Wall Street
Journal report saying JD. Vance and Susie Wiles are to
credit for that because they basically talked Elon off the leg.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Even if this truth social post I'm talking about is
a phony, there's so many of those these days. They're
gonna be fine. Trump and him are gonna be playing
golf together.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Just give it some time.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
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Miranda Devine gonna join us in the next hour. She
sat down with President Trump in the Oval Office. Tomorrow,
Buck and I will be with President Trump in the
Oval Office. That should not be bad. It should be
a lot of fun, not.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Bad, not bad.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Tomorrow will also have Secretary of State Marco Rubio on
the program. He's going to spend a decent amount of
time with us up here in DC, just FYI. So
should be a pretty great there. And in the third
hour of the program today, we're going to talk with
Trishamo McLaughlin from inside of the White House about the
latest on the situation with LA and other cities out
(19:38):
there as it pertains to all of those decisions. But
there was a great deal of drama as you may
have heard last week about Elon Musk and Trump and
the flare up and everything else associated with it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
We have talked about it. I wasn't worried, You weren't worried.
People were all freaking out about this one. This is
just you know, a little speed bump.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And the Wall Street Journal right as we right as
we started this program released a story came out literally
as we started, headline Musk retreats on Trump attacks after
call from JD Vance Susie Wiles, and just right here
off the top, buck, let me hit you with this.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
JD.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Vance and Susie Wiles reminder, of course, Susie Wiles, chief
of staff in the Trump White House two point zero,
pushed Elon Musk to repair his relationship with President Trump.
After the tech billionaire blew up at the president dramatic
public falling out in a call last Friday, the Vice
President and the White House Chief of Staff urged Musk
(20:40):
to put an end to the feud. Musk de escalated
early Wednesday with his post jad Vance has by and
large state out of the fray. And we told you
that this was likely to happen. And again I was
kind of hinting at this because we spent the morning
at Langley. I think that Elon sees the government debt
(21:04):
as a major threat to American exceptionalism and to our
ability to continue to dominate the world. And if you
study Elon at all, and I think he's the greatest
capitalist that has ever existed in the history of capitalism.
With theer there's my seventeen year old got into this
discussion with me too, and he specifically side Rockefeller. But
(21:27):
I think if you look at what he's done at Tasla,
what he's done at SpaceX, and then layer in xai Uh,
you add in neuralink, you add in the boring company.
I don't think anybody has ever had the level of
capitalistic success that he has. And he is clearly the
richest man in the world right now, which would reflect
(21:49):
that the market has agreed with him in many ways.
But his management strategy, and I think this is a
great management strategy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And I'm not a very.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Good manager, so so for full disclosure there, I get
frustrated a lot when things don't move rapidly or as
rapidly as I would like. So I think I have
some level of sympathy here, and I think a lot
of you who have small businesses and have engaged in
entrepreneurship will understand this. Elon Musk says he finds what
is the most broken. His management style is find what
(22:20):
is the most broken important part of a business and
pour all your energy into fixing it. And so I
think he looked at the United States government as a
whole and said, our expenditures are broken the national that
is a problem. I want to solve it. I think
in his mind he solved it. But the problem is
(22:41):
when you are CEO and you control the company, you say,
do it and people have to do it when you're
in government. That's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, it isn't how it works.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
And you know last week I put the day the
hours this came out. Clay, a fellow on ex fisher
King wrote, we got through four years with Potus who
suffered from dementia and a VP with a room temperature IQ.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
This will be fine. We'll survive this too.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
About the Elon Trump, and I responded to him, Indeed,
I don't think anyone's gonna care much. By next week,
the bill will pass and Elon will be having dinner
with Trump and mar A Lago.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
By Christmas, It's all gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So I might have by the way, I might have
extended the reconciliation timeline too far. But these two guys,
ultimately it's about results. It's about bigger issues and things.
Elon's a volatile and emotional fellow. That's not a surprise.
He shouldn't have said what he said, and that's clear
he's apologized for it. What he said was actually so
(23:37):
out of line. And so when I say said, what
he wrote publicly was so out of line and absurd
that I think it was just clear. Look, he had
a tantrum, yes, and he's a guy who's used to
having tantrums and having everybody say sir, yes, sir, whatever
you want. Doesn't work with Trump, doesn't work in the
government in general, no one's really able to make those
kind of declarative you will do this or else statements.
(23:58):
And so now he's come, he's come back into the
fold and he's there to do it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I shouldn't say he's not in the government anymore, but
he's back in Maga world. I think, slowly but surely
with his apology, it's a clear apology to Trump. He
crossed the line. And look, we want Elon for what
he can do and what his skill set is. He's
also the richest guy on the planet. We want him
to stay on the team, so to speak. And I
just think he had a tough day, and that can happen.
(24:24):
People can have a tough day.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I think Trump understands, I mean, emotionally, a tough day
Elon well, and I think Trump deserves a great deal
of credit here. He fired back a little bit, but
as Trump goes, Trump's response was very muted to Elon,
when you've taken a five, five, six, bullet through your
ear and it missed your base of your skull by
(24:46):
an inch. And I truly mean this, I think at
your head with what Trump has been through with a stupid,
almost schoolyard insult. I think tomorrow again we'll talk probably
with Trump about this a little bit in the Oval office.
But Trump, I believe, sees Elon as a as like
(25:09):
one of his kids, and I think he feels like
I mean, there's reports out there that Trump, so I'm
not speaking out of turn. I don't think that basically
Trump has described Elon as fifty percent genius, fifty percent boy,
meaning Elon doesn't necessarily have the social skills that you
(25:31):
would expect someone who has had the success in life
to have that he has had. And he's basically an engineer.
And I think we had a caller on Friday of
last week, if I remember who, or an email that
was really good, just talking about the fact that engineers,
and I mean really great builders are often so logical
(25:53):
in the way that they think that they miss emotional
cues because they are so focused on the friend work
of math and building. And there are a lot of men,
some women, but a lot of men who are particularly
geared that way in their thought, and I think Trump
sees that with Elon. And what's Trump's unique is, yes,
he's a builder, but he's a building he's a people guy.
(26:15):
He's a people guy.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
He also pulls together the construction crews to make the thing,
but he actually isn't the guy who's hammering anything obviously,
and so's he's a people guy. And by the way,
you're thinking about the about numbers, this is the knock
on a lot of doctors is that they're really good
at the MCATs and but sometimes they lack a certain
personal touch. This is a very generic thing. This is
(26:38):
what people look. I mean the brain is that in
that direction.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And you know what the number one sign, because I
did this as practicing lawyer, the number one likelihood that
you're gonna get sued if you're a doctor is not
actually yeah, it's not actually your failure as a doctor.
Bedside manner, if they love you, even if you screw
up as a doctor, they're less likely to sue you.
(27:00):
If you are brusque and kind of you treat yourself
as if you are God's gift to the medicine, then
your patients feel it and they're more likely to hold
it against you, and so I think, look, there's a
brusqueness probably that comes with Elon that I think Trump
gets to your point on building in order to get
you know, better than anybody in New York City, you
(27:21):
have to go through so many procedural hoops to get
anything built that it is a political job in many
ways to build a skyscraper in New York City.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Until Rudy Giuliani came along. You also had to maneuver
through the mob demanding all kinds of payoffs and things.
The mob was deeply entrenched in the building of you know,
building in New York City, carding construction, all of that. So, yes,
that's absolutely true. Look, I think the Elon thing is
going to be fine. It's good that he's back to
focusing on what he does, which is SpaceX and Tesla
(27:53):
and the boring company and X and all in all,
he's made enormously positive contributions to the Trumpet administration. And
I would, I would say to the country clearly since
he has been red pilled. So he's a he's a
volatile guy, and things got a little crazy there. Look
look at some of we're going to talk to Secretary
of State Rubio tomorrow and Clay that's a guy who
(28:17):
went toe to toe with Trump in a primary and
things got a little things got a little nasty. Same
thing with Senator Ted Cruz and Trump. Things got a
little nasty, and now everyone's hugged it out and they're
on the same team and they're trying to save the country.
Jd Vance twenty sixteen. You go back and see what
he said about Trump. It was not complementary, and now
he's his VP. I think this is one of Trump's
great attributes, or one of one of the superpowers that
(28:40):
he has, is that he is always willing to overlook
past squabbles and differences to bring you on board the
MAGA train and you know, the Trump team. I think
that's something that's very especially for a politician and really
a leader of a movement, which is what he is.
That has been to his tremendous credit, Whereas I mean
(29:00):
Hillary Clinton infamous for holding grudges forever in politicians to
be there, I think most politicians are grudge guys and gals.
They remember what's written about them, they remember what's said
about them forever.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think it's very unique that he will forgive any
insult h and by the way, he'll give any insult
and also give it up, which is why I think
you're right. Trump and Elon are going to be breaking
bread sooner rather than.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And there was never a moment where I thought that
this was going to result. People are like, oh, no,
he's going to fund all the left. They've already got
billionaires funding all these crappy left wing sites that no
one reads. Anyway, It's not like that's going to be
some game changer. He's not going to do that. He
understands what needs to happen here for the country. And
I just think that when you're when you're running, when
you're pulling all nighters and you're sleeping on a cot
(29:50):
in whatever building he's been in DC, and you're trying
to deal with the vast bureaucracy and inefficiencies of the
United States government, can drive yourself a little crazy. And
if you're somebody who runs on high emotion and isn't
used to dealing with the kinds of challenges that is
really unique to the federal government in terms of how
(30:11):
just inefficient the whole thing is. It's almost it really
is meant to be inefficient in a lot of ways.
And so I think that that's what we saw come down.
But I'm I'm not worried about it. I think we
can pretty much move past it. Now they're gonna, they're
gonna reconcile. I'm sorry that Truth's social post was fake.
Uh this is I'm pretty sure it was fake at least,
and to tell was that I have the best, the
best reconciling or something. At the end, I was like, Oh,
(30:32):
there we go. So I saw that one in real time.
It looked like it was from a real account. It
had been shared. But the but the truth is that
there's already reprochment underway between Elon and Trump, and so
that's very good. And I think there's gonna be also
some reprochement between Clay and the flute playing community. If
(30:52):
something we have a very we have a very important
announcement for all of you. I want I want to
hold you through here because we want to spend a
couple minutes on this one. But I don't know, I
don't know if Play's ever apologize for things that he
has said or anything that he has said before in media.
And we're gonna push them today and see, I think
you might have to owe some folks and apology, Clay,
about the masculinity of their instruments and the beautiful notes
(31:17):
and sounds that come out of a certain woodwind instrument.
And it involves a very famous person who played them.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I will tell you this. I'm not gonna apologize at all. Okay, Well,
we're gonna see. We're gonna see he's doubling down on it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
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(33:13):
Miranda Divine, who will be with us later on the
show today. We're big Miranda Divine fans here, but also
the one and only Donald J.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Trump.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
There has been some controversy on this program for quite
some time, mister Clay Travis out there spewing these absurd,
absurd things about the lack of testosterone and masculinity of
flute players, the players of flutes, Clay no less. And
(33:41):
here we have Donald Trump sitting down with Miranda Devine.
Does anyone to know what Donald Trump's childhood instrument was?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Play it? Did you ever play an instrument?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I played, like very short periods of time, the flute.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Would you believe?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Did you like? I had flute lessons? It's the first
person is ever asked me that crazy question. Yeah, I
had flute? Can you believe it? I could have been
a flutist and not did in particularly like it? I? No,
no, it wasn't for me, but and my mother had me
with I had instructors, an instructor coming to teach me
how to play the flute.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Who?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Get an unusual instrument?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You could maybe still do it?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I doubt it.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Make flute playing great again.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Clay now to be clear, I never said you couldn't
try to play the flute and then abandoned it, as
President Trump said, because it was not for him, because
he is a masculine man, and at some point in time,
I guarantee you he thought to himself, blowing into a
(34:49):
phallic object that I hold in close proximity to my
mouth is not something that I want to do for fun. Again,
it's Pride month. I'm not saying that some people could
have decided to do that. I'm us saying most choose
not to. And so I'm not surprised that President Trump,
as a as a great cultural uh experiment, may well
(35:14):
have tried several of the win based instruments but decided
that the flute wasn't for him. Now, Kamala Harris, we
know quite an a depth flute player, according to reports,
and there's nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure there
are other Democrat men. I bet Tim Wallas has played
a mean flute.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Back in the day. May still. But you know it's
not for me, It's not for most of us out there.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I do understand for the flute community, this is a
huge day coming for you right now.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I'm just telling you the.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Actual woodwind orchestral flute players in our audience. They have
had enough of your blasphemy. Play let's just let's just
check on the facts here, sir, before you run off
and get into the break. Donald Trump president slash former
flute player a true statement.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Will you now have to handle this, sir? I will
say the keyword there is former. He had tried it.
It wasn't for him.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He recognized that it would destroy He wouldn't have been
elected president. I'll tell you this. If he still played
the oh My and he abandoned it, he abandoned it
for other things.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I bet he was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
He's got a good ear. You know, he's very good,
very quick on his feet. He probably picks up a
tune fast. He was playing you know, Danny Boy and
all kinds of I'm gonna ask him about this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Why did his mom pick the flute? Why didn't you
bring in flute instructor because it's so masculine
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