February 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Trump's plans to remake Gaza into the "Riveria of the Middle East." The left melts down. A defanged Iran. El Salvador and Bukele. You do NOT want to get arrested in a foreign country or be in their prisons. The DOGE disruptors.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in so much winning going on. I gotta tell you,
I know, Buck Fell's the same way. Like every day,
I'm just super excited to wake up and see what
the news of the day is. And Trump is moving
sixteen days into his term so rapidly that I don't
(00:20):
think we've seen anything like it in any of our lives.
And almost everything he is doing is absolutely incredible, and
my goodness, we just got to dive into so much
that's going on. So let me give you a little
bit of a roadmap of where we're headed. First of all,
we'll be talking to Caroline Levitt, White House spokesperson in
(00:42):
the third hour. Actually, Buck will because I have to
run and catch one of the only flights to New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I know, a tough thing.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm gonna be down on Bourbon Street for the Super
Bowl Thursday and Friday. Should be a lot of fun
on the show talking about all that. Look forward to
hanging out with many of you down there. But she
is going to join us from the White House, where
today is National Women in Sports Day and Donald Trump
is signing an executive order to ban all men from
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being able to compete in women's sports. We're going to
talk some about that. It's amazing that he's got to
do it, but also phenomenal that he is doing it
and that he would be doing it on this day,
and we'll talk Caroline Levitt about that, who is a
former college athlete herself and has been on this program
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quite a lot. Also Riley Gaines up there, who is
an OutKick worker among many other things, fabulous and her
swimming against Leah Thomas is what really, I would say,
put in motion much of the triumph that we saw
in the area of cultural affairs that Trump has been leading.
(01:52):
So that is going on today. We will also talk
with Sean Parnell. We mentioned this on the show. Sean
Parnell has been a part of the Clay Buck podcast
for the last year plus. Fabulous guy helped to win
Trump Pennsylvania. He now is going to be the chief
spokesperson for the Pentagon underneath Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.
(02:15):
So we have got one of our podcast hosts stepping
out of the podcast hosting universe. I think he has
just posted his final podcast right now for the Clay
and Buck network because he's got to take over as
spokesperson for the Pentagon. Kind of cool, kind of a
big deal.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we'll talk with Sean. Proud of our guy. We're
proud of our guy. Good friend.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Owners.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Can we say behind the scenes, we almost had Caroline
Levitt if she had not been taking over the jobs
that she did. She was set up to be a
part of the Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We offer we offered her, We offered her a spot
on the Clan Buck podcast network. That is true, before
she was even on the Trump We offered her that
right after her congressional run. It was before she was
working for the Trump campaign in any capacity. So I'm
just saying, we got a good eye for talent, everybody.
We got a good eye for ten Yeah, no doubt.
So that is going on. We're going to dive into
(03:05):
all of that and more. But Buck, I feel like
we have to start with net Yahoo visiting first foreign
state visitor of the Trump era. Last night they had
a press conference, and before we dive into that press conference, Buck,
is it fair to say that Trump has answered more
questions already from the news media in the first two
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weeks of his presidency than Joe Biden likely did in
the last two years of his presidency. Whatever you think
about the political universe. Trump is more available to more
media and telling you more about what's going on and
what he sees than Joe Biden did for the last
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two years. I mean, it is night and day simply
the communication aspect and leadership in a public fashion that
we are seeing between Trump and Biden, right, I mean
to me, I don't want to understate or overlook how
different it is just to see a president standing in
the in front of the media and just randomly taking
(04:10):
questions without having to look down at a note card
and read what his staff is telling him to ask,
without the questions being precleared, all these things that we
didn't see for years from Biden. So with that in mind,
Trump just cannon balled into the Middle East swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think as one way to kind of use a
metaphor to describe what exactly happened, and I believe we
have audio. I'm sure we do, but at its most
basic level, buck Trump basically said, Hey, I want the
United States involved. I want us to assist in a
substantial way in rebuilding Gaza, and I want this to
(04:52):
be the way that we basically bring the Middle East
back from October seventh cannonball ripple effects have just gone
in every direction. No one foresaw anything like this. The motivation,
I would say, Buck, and I'm curious what you think
is and much of the media, I think still doesn't
(05:14):
get it. At his heart, Trump is just a real
estate guy. Like he sees land. He said this when
he went to visit North Korea. He's like, you know,
you got some nice beaches here, you can probably have
casinos you could have I mean, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
This is what he did.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Remember, Yeah, he told Kim Jong Oud He's like, this
is beautiful Layan, you know, like, why wouldn't you have
a nice hotel here? And if you have spent time
around real estate guy And I know there's real estate
galto but a lot of this is real estate guy.
They are the most optimistic, blustering, you know, forward thinking,
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sometimes a little bit crazy when they see land. And
I think that Trump really has seen that this place
is destroyed and he's like, I want to rebuild it,
and I think the United States could do a good
job of it. And I also think he knows, Buck,
nothing has worked, and so he's just kind of throwing
suggestions out in a way to try to scramble the
(06:11):
existing dynamics. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Here is let's just let everyone hear what he's said.
Because I listened to this whole press conference yesterday. It's
only a I don't know what it's like at an
executive order signing with members of the press in the room.
It's very Trump, you know, it's very much the look.
It's a show. I mean, he does this, and this,
he's creating news for the full forty five minutes of
the hour, whatever it was. He's doing this, but this
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has cut seven Trump saying he will turn Gaza into
the Riviera.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I do see a long term ownership position, and I
see it bringing great stability to that part of the
Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East. And everybody
I've spoken to this was not a decision made lightly.
Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United
States owning that piece of life and developing and creating
(07:01):
thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in
a really magnificent area that nobody would know. Nobody could
look because all they see is death and destruction and
rubble and and uh demolished buildings falling all over and
we have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal.
And I don't want to be cute. I don't want
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to be a wise guy.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But the riviera of the Middle East, the rivi era
of the Middle East. Now the AI enabled memes of
like Trump Tower, Trump Hotels and everything is in there.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
A gaza, is it?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know? Like what alago? This This took over the
internet for the last twenty four hours. That was actually
from Trump's UH press conference with bb after UH, after
the the signing and everything else that he was doing
there on the EOS. But okay, Clai, let's break this
down because he there are there are really two different
There was a little bit of a freak out that
(08:00):
happened from some people, and I'll just I'll jump ahead.
I haven't even seen your response to this. My sense is, look,
let Trump be Trump. He's doing his thing, you know,
Let let the man pull the tricks he needs to
for the magic show to continue, because he's on a
hot streak. He's kicking ass. You know, I don't think
he's going to actually take Gaza. Let's just see what
(08:21):
he's saying here. Let you know, because there you saw
the panic or we can get into who's panickings the
two very different groups of people. What how do you
view what he says here in terms of actual policy.
I again, I look at it as a real estate
guy and as a business guy. And for anybody out
there that has ever been involved in a let me,
let me just explain the way he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Anybody who's ever been involved in a negotiation. Sometimes you
walk into a negotiation and the range of potential outcomes
is wild, right, Like you might buy a company, you
might decide to sell a company, you might decide. In
other words, the entire spectrum of possibility is a and
sometimes somebody just needs to start the conversation. So when
(09:05):
I looked at it, Buck, I just came back from Israel,
and I thought it was an important trip for me personally. See,
I know you've been there. You feel so small because
the history of Rancor is so long, and any one
lifespan eighty years, one hundred years, however fortunate you are
to live, it is a pin prick in the conflict
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that has existed there. And when you have both sides
sort of intractably in a position and it doesn't seem
like there's much movement. I see Trump as just someone
who runs in and like the cannonball in the pool.
Idea is one where it's like, hey, let's just shake
up the status quo and see if it could lead
us to a better place. That's kind of the way
(09:47):
that I take much of what Trump says publicly is
a challenge to the status quo.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It's like an opening bid, but on an idea for
a solution. Sounds to me though, like you don't you
agree with me, You don't actually think Trump is right
now planning on sending a of course, right, and so
this is where.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So he lets take him so literally, this is that still,
this is the key, right.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
This is why everybody seeds to calm down. The left,
of course takes everything Trump says both out of context
and literally, and they're insane. So those are three things.
So all that together, and so they're like, oh my gosh,
Goza in there. And I really believe this. Americans overwhelmingly
who pretend to care so much about Gaza. It's performative. Okay,
(10:31):
these campus protesters, they know nothing about Gaza. They've never
even been to the Middle East. Again, a few of
them have, but ninety percent ninety five percent. It's all
just Oh I care, and I always want to ask
them you care. You know, some some kid who grew
up in like the mainline of Philadelphia, you know, having
like the maid do his laundry and bring him all
of his meals when he went to private school. Now
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he's at Harvard and he can't. He's all upset about Gaza.
I want to say, why aren't you so upset about
South Sudan? Do you know what's going on in South Sudan?
You have any idea about the ethnic cleansing and the
rapes and the murders and the horrific anyway, And the answers,
of course no. They only care about Gaza because they
think it makes them look cool. So there are those
people we can just kind of dispense with that because
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it's just anti Trump. Oh my god, Gaza. They act
like it's such a big deal. There were people on
the right though, who and even people that you and
I like and know, you know in the commentary space,
who were very put off by this right away, because like,
this is not America. First, I don't give a damn
about Gaza. Why would we take Gaza and everything else?
And to them, I would just say, I understand the
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principle that they're asserting. I don't disagree that we don't
want to set up some satellites. It's one thing to
take over Greenland. Okay, we could take over Greenland. That'd
be one thing. If we tried to take Gaza, I
know something about this, we would have every jiehattist wacko
from Morocco to Indonesia showing up and suicide bombs and
(11:57):
the whole it app and be an absolute mess. Right,
I don't think that's gonna happen. But to Clay's point,
everyone just and I agree and my point too. Take
a deep breath. Trump is being Trump, He's you know,
you know, this is a way of showing, hey, you know,
who should take Gaza, so to speak, at least take
ownership of it in a financial responsibility sense. Ultra rich
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Muslim Gulf states that could entirely fund the rebuilding of this,
that could entirely fund an actual, you know, functioning civil
society there. And this I think brings them into the
conversation in a way that otherwise wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Look, there are jewels of the Middle East, right now,
leave aside Israel, which I love and obviously have a
deep affinity for the people of Israel.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
As people attack us as Zionists now online do you
ever see this? You and I we're Zionists and you
see that. Yeah, I mean I've been called a lot worse.
Let me just I love the Jewish people and I
with civilizations, so I'm in the favor of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I was actually going to say something very positive for
the Middle East outside of Israel. A lot of what's
going on in Saudi Arabia I think is very positive
if you look at the way again, I'm not saying
it's very positive compared to like, you know, the flourishment
of full civilization in ancient Rome, right, I'm talking about
compared to recent history in the Middle East. There's a
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lot of green shoots of progress. I would say in
Saudi Arabia, I think Mohammed ben Salmon, who is a
relatively young guy for leadership age, has given more freedoms
to women in the Middle East and to people in
his country than has historically existed. I think you can
look at Qatar there positive signs. I think you can
look at Bahrain. I would like to go visit some
(13:47):
of these countries to see them for myself. What Trump
I think is seeing is if these other places in
the Middle East can become tech hubs in some way,
can become capitalistic in some way, why cannot there be
a Middle Eastern arrangement that leads to some form of
(14:09):
peace in Gaza and a rebuilt area.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And also all this stuff about that Trump is saying
here and speaking honestly about it and creating some sense
of accountability for why does Gaza have to be? And
when I say Gaza, I'm not just talking. I'm not
talking about it in the context of oh my god,
the war and there's rubble, of course, there's all that. Now, yes,
how did it get to this point? Right? Why hasn't
Gaza been for the last call it twenty years since
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the I'm trying to think of one the handover I
had the handovers two thousand and two and five. I
can't remember now when the when the Israeli's, against a
lot of internal opposition, by the way, pulled out and said, okay, fine,
Palestinian's Gaza is yours. So whatever that timeline is to present,
why has it been such a disaster? And the answer
(14:58):
is Humas and the decision by the electorates such as
it is inside of Gaza because they voted for this
and they support Hamas. That's why it doesn't have to
be this way, Clay.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's the point, Amen, And I mean, I think you
can just say, like, okay, let's compare Hamas and Gaza,
and let's compare what's happened in Dubai like in the
last twenty years. There is a pathway to peace and
prosperity in the Middle East. And there's actually again green
shoots showing much of that positivity. And I think it
is innate nature. Trump is a very positive guy because
(15:31):
guess what, every real estate developer in the world has
to be very positive because you have to in some
way create something out of nothing. And most people who
create something out of nothing that is a brand new building,
a brand new opportunity in real estate. You don't do
it by being a pessimist. General life lesson. Look, a
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Speaker 2 (17:19):
We've had a quick turn here, but Clay in Buck
bringing you all the latest today. The Trump press conference
yesterday and the meeting with beb net Yahoo was a
tour de force. It was really incredible. Trump covered so
many subjects. We will dive into it, Clay. You see,
he's got a he's got a you better not even
think about it plan in case Iran, We're to try
(17:41):
to come after him as president, and this should be
the plan for any future president as well. We'll get
into what Trump had to say about it. But I
think Iron knows he's not bluffing. He is not bluffing
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Travis buck Sexton Show, appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. Wednesday edition of the program. We said this
on the program. Credit to Trump. A lot of what
we say on the program now becoming policy forty seven,
putting in place all of it. So let's dive in
here for a minute. Buck, You and I said on
the program. As soon as news came out that Iran
(19:20):
wanted to assassinate Trump and that the government had actionable
authority of that being true. The fact that to me
Joe Biden didn't come out and immediately vociferously without any
tiptoeing up to it, put Iran on notice publicly what
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would happen if they tried to do something like this
was an embarrassment of leadership by him. And in fact,
I remember this may have been like a year and
a half or two years ago when this news came out, Buck,
we had a big discussion. Remember Bill Clinton, when there
was a strong plan to kill George Bush Sr. Came
into office and absolutely waylaid iraq. Do you remember that
(20:04):
story back in the day. We talked about it on
the air. Hey, yeah, Clinton had just run against George H. W.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Bush.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But if someone tries to kill the president, whether you're
a Republican Democrat, independent from a foreign nation or anywhere else,
but certain.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
American, that's an American problem. We rally around our total
team no matter what.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And Biden never said anything. Trump, to his credit, was
asked about it and gave one of the baddest asked
answers I've ever heard, which is, Hey, basically, I've let
everybody know if they kill me, we're going to obliterate
that friggin country. Here it is yesterday in the Oval Office. Listen,
Iran and.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Their prophecies will threaten to retaliate against you and your
team by killing you guys or taking out a fall.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, they haven't done that, and that would be a
terrible thing for them to do, not because of me.
If they did that, they would be obliterated. That'd be
the end. I've left instructions. If they do it, they
get obliterated. There won't be anything left. And they shouldn't
been able to do it. And Biden should have said that,
but he never did. I don't know why. Lack of
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intelligence perhaps, but he never said it. If that happens
to a leader or close to a leader, frankly, if
you had other people involved also, you would call for
total obliteration of a state that did it. That would
include Iran.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I love it. I mean it's gonna I think be
something that the Iranians, the Iranian leadership keeps in mind.
Iran is one of these situations where there's a lot
of indications that the Iranian people recognize that their regime
is bad and have a lot of pro Western uh
(21:49):
even sometimes pro American tendencies. But the people in charge,
the apparatus, in charge, the security services, the military, the
mullah's very very bad situation and continue going on. I
think they get the message from Trump that he's not
messing around and they better not get any ideas. So Iran, also,
I might add, is more defanged now in large part
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because of what Israel has done than at any time
in recent memory. And with Trump coming in right, so,
so Iran has effectively taken I'm sorry, Israel has taken
Iran's proxies and hit them hard in a way that
makes them far less effective tools of terror across the
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Middle East battlefield. And now Trump comes in and he's
signing executive orders on maximum pressure campaigns, and they know
with the Trump administration, you know, they don't want to
mess around and find out and so that was really
the executive order, I think the spirit of the executive
order he signed yesterday. And there are some other things too.
He got into. Did you see him, Clay what he
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talked about. We mentioned this in the show yesterday. Uh Bukeley,
who is the president of El Salvador, which is this
is a story that every American should know. And I know,
you know, Tucker's done a high profile and interview with them,
and people have you know, Satin bou Boukeley was just
with Marc Rubio, Secretary of State for Trumpet, so people
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know who Bukeley is. But really every American should know
because El Salvador was, on a per capita basis, one
of the highest murder rates. And when I say one of,
I mean out of two hundred something countries, it was
top three most years.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Whatever. The most dangerous part of America is off the
charts compared to that part of America. That's how dangerous
that part of El Salvador was.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
If you have if you have an American city where
the or the you know, the murder rate is you know,
five per one hundred thousand or something or ten per
hundred thousand, in El Salvador was like one hundred per hundred.
I mean, it was just a completely and it's a
small country, and there was the sense of oh no,
what can we do? And the Democrat idea for this
this time into a lot. Okay, this ties into the
(24:02):
aid conversation, it ties into the immigration conversation, it ties
into certainly the crime conversation, Democrats were remember Kamala, the
borders are, who wasn't root causes? You know, I'm gonna
go to look at root causes. Well, Bookeley comes in
and he goes, I've got an idea. If you're a
criminal who's doing really bad things, we're just going to
lock you up and we're going to make sure that
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you cannot do any bad things anymore. And whatever it
takes to get us there, we're going to do. Now.
El Salvador has one of the lowest murder rates in
the Western Hemisphere. It has a lower murder rate per
capita I believe than we do. I think that Canada
even does. I mean, it is like there's almost no
murders happening in Bukeley's El Salvador, and they're saying, we'll
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take some of your bad guys. So Trump this brought
this up yesterday, Boo Kelly saying, hey, look, if you
got people you don't want to hold in your Colorado
Supermax or something else, we got a heck of a
prison system here set up for them. And here's what
Trump said, this is three we could make.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Deals where we'd get these animals out of our country.
And you know, if you take the shooters, the people
that hit old ladies in the back of the head
with a baseball bat when they're not looking, they walk
down the street, the people that you and you see it,
the people that take out a gun and shoot you
for no reason at all. If we could get these
animals out of our country and put them in a
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different country under the supervision of somebody that made a
relatively small fee to maintain these people, because you know
what these are criminals, you call them hardened criminals. They've
been in jail forty times. There's one forty two times,
and every time the person gets out, it's a heat.
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Every time he gets out, he commits another crime within
twenty four hours, and it's a heinus crime. It's a
rough crime. We don't want these people in our country either.
We don't want them in our country.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Look this it's funny because this was the entire concept
of penal colonies back in the day, right, Like you
would take people literally out of your physical land and
put them elsewhere because you found them to be such
a disaster to your ability to be safe in your country.
Now there are challenges here. I don't know what the
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law would be about being able to take an American
and put them in a foreign prison. You know, I
practiced law in the Caribbean. I'm still licensed in the
Caribbean when I graduated US Virgin Islands. You do not,
I think I've talked about this on the show before, Buck,
but you do. I've done it. You do not want
to be in another country's prison. Like as awful as
(26:45):
American prisons are, and I ain't saying I want to
be in one, when you walk in, I'm USBI, I
have represented prisoners there. When you walk into a and
this is still under the American flag, but it's a territory.
You walk into some of those prisons, it is a
nasty place. I would imagine that a lot of these
(27:08):
Latin American prisons, Buck, I mean, it makes an American
prison look.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Like a hotel I had. You know, Carrie and I
went to Bermuda while we were engaged, just for a weekend.
You know, it's actually a very easy flight from like
New York and DC. It's you know, uh, and it's
very civilized, lovely place. Highly recommend it. I'd never been before,
but it's just one of these things where our driver
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one day had formerly been the director of prisons on
the isle. And you we're just talking to him, very
you know, very charming fellow local an islander. And and
I remember we I remember thinking I had that American
thing of I'm like, oh, prison in Bermuda, like, you know,
do they give you like a cocktail and you know,
some some seersucker shorts, you know, like how does it go?
(27:55):
And he was like, oh, no, no air conditioning. Play
oh yeah, no air like you're in a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
In the Virgin Islands, Saint Croix, they did not have
air conditioning for the prisoners there. Yeah, And I mean
we're talking about you know, it is stultifying there. If
you've ever been in the Caribbean, imagine that you're in
a concrete box basically, and it is. There's virtually no
air circulation at all. I mean, you are just sweating
(28:26):
all day long. Doesn't get very cool at night. I
remember going in and look, when anytime you go into
a prison, for anybody who's been to a prison, you
definitely leave and you want to kiss the ground when
you walk out. You're like, man, that is even just
going in knowing you can leave. It's intimidating going through
that many different check points everything else, and I represent it.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Back in the.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Day, every every warrior in the Virgin Islands buck had
to get assigned criminal cases because they don't have enough
criminal defense attorneys, and so everyone licensed there would get
criminal cases, which kind of unheard of. It doesn't exist
anywhere in the United States. So I'm a twenty five
year old lawyer assigned criminal cases, and I just remember
the feeling of going into that, into that prison, and
(29:09):
I there's nothing like it. My point on it is
American prisoners actually, as prisoners go, have it better than
virtually anyone in the world. I would imagine that in
addition to getting the bad guys off the streets, that
is not a place that you want to be. So
I love the idea in general of paying far less
(29:30):
money to put our worst guys in really crappy conditions
because I think it actually might be an incentive to
not not commit a crime. That's like every one of
those shows locked up abroad or whatever, and always a
lot of it for some reasons seem like they're British
guys who get caught up in this stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then like I was on I was on all
the day in Thailand and I was like, I can
make five thousand quid if I just take this package
their customs. It's like, don't do it. Don't do it, man,
it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And not only are the prisons awful. You do not
want to be arrested in a foreign country, man, You
do not want to be arrested because you can find
a lawyer here. I get nervous sometimes in a foreign country,
just like with the idea of how you go through
the product, like the poor your guy who want to
behaved godad Tobago, it had.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Like a couple of couple of rounds in his back. Yeah,
you want to be a very good guest in foreign countries.
And one of the reasons is especially if you're in
you know, if you're in any kind of a country
that is kind of poor, which just because you're in
a fancy resort doesn't mean it doesn't it's not a
poor country, especially in the Caribbean places like that, because
if you have to rely on the embassy and or
the consulate to take care of you, good luck, it's
(30:42):
not going to be a fun process. Like having known
a lot of people who worked and worked with people
who worked in embassies and consulates. Yeah, that's that's not
a good thing. So Trump put out this idea again.
I don't think he's going to send our prisoners to
Al Salvador, but he's just you know, having the conversation
(31:03):
and letting the criminal justice system know that we're in
the not messing around group now and people who do
look Clay. The whole next hour I want to dive
into I know you want to dive into women's sports,
thing for women, which we're going to do. But the
next hour, I want to talk about this stuff about
the FBI and how many people in the FBI were
on J six cases. To me is jaw dropping. I mean,
(31:26):
it's like truly terrifying. So we should talk about that
because I think the FBI, the rank and file, we're
far more involved in this than a lot of people realize.
And that's it. That's a change in perception. I think
on the right, we'll get to this. We'll take some
of your calls talk about women's and women in sports,
which I can't even believe we're here, but we're in
a place where Trump has to be like, no dudes
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're gonna have some
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You know, it's amazing because the Democrats are freaking out
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(33:34):
the estimate is yearly, yearly in this country and has
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we will into some of that and also the FBI
and the focus the FBI had put on j six
people is I thought it was bad. It is far
worse than I thought in terms of the manpower and
the number of people that were But when you think
(34:18):
about it, you know they had a couple thousand prosecutions,
and you know this is the FBI. You want the
FBI focused on the worst of the worst stuff, right,
the worst violations of federal law, the people that are
really hurting people, the people that are hurting kids, the
people that are you know, stealing and bankrupting from people.
(34:38):
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into a building for two minutes and didn't do anything.
In a lot of cases, that is what happened. We
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Am I right in my assessment that somehow you upset
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the collateral damage. Now we need to discuss this. Evidently,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I was getting ready for bed and I saw that
Martina Nevratilova told me to f off, and I was like,
what what Martina Nevratlova, What did I do to her?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
And she's blocked me too, just for being friends with
Clay
Welcome in so much winning going on. I gotta tell you,
I know, Buck Fell's the same way. Like every day,
I'm just super excited to wake up and see what
the news of the day is. And Trump is moving
sixteen days into his term so rapidly that I don't
(00:20):
think we've seen anything like it in any of our lives.
And almost everything he is doing is absolutely incredible, and
my goodness, we just got to dive into so much
that's going on. So let me give you a little
bit of a roadmap of where we're headed. First of all,
we'll be talking to Caroline Levitt, White House spokesperson in
(00:42):
the third hour. Actually, Buck will because I have to
run and catch one of the only flights to New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I know, a tough thing.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm gonna be down on Bourbon Street for the Super
Bowl Thursday and Friday. Should be a lot of fun
on the show talking about all that. Look forward to
hanging out with many of you down there. But she
is going to join us from the White House, where
today is National Women in Sports Day and Donald Trump
is signing an executive order to ban all men from
(01:11):
being able to compete in women's sports. We're going to
talk some about that. It's amazing that he's got to
do it, but also phenomenal that he is doing it
and that he would be doing it on this day,
and we'll talk Caroline Levitt about that, who is a
former college athlete herself and has been on this program
(01:32):
quite a lot. Also Riley Gaines up there, who is
an OutKick worker among many other things, fabulous and her
swimming against Leah Thomas is what really, I would say,
put in motion much of the triumph that we saw
in the area of cultural affairs that Trump has been leading.
(01:52):
So that is going on today. We will also talk
with Sean Parnell. We mentioned this on the show. Sean
Parnell has been a part of the Clay Buck podcast
for the last year plus. Fabulous guy helped to win
Trump Pennsylvania. He now is going to be the chief
spokesperson for the Pentagon underneath Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.
(02:15):
So we have got one of our podcast hosts stepping
out of the podcast hosting universe. I think he has
just posted his final podcast right now for the Clay
and Buck network because he's got to take over as
spokesperson for the Pentagon. Kind of cool, kind of a
big deal.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we'll talk with Sean. Proud of our guy. We're
proud of our guy. Good friend.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Owners.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Can we say behind the scenes, we almost had Caroline
Levitt if she had not been taking over the jobs
that she did. She was set up to be a
part of the Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We offer we offered her, We offered her a spot
on the Clan Buck podcast network. That is true, before
she was even on the Trump We offered her that
right after her congressional run. It was before she was
working for the Trump campaign in any capacity. So I'm
just saying, we got a good eye for talent, everybody.
We got a good eye for ten Yeah, no doubt.
So that is going on. We're going to dive into
(03:05):
all of that and more. But Buck, I feel like
we have to start with net Yahoo visiting first foreign
state visitor of the Trump era. Last night they had
a press conference, and before we dive into that press conference, Buck,
is it fair to say that Trump has answered more
questions already from the news media in the first two
(03:28):
weeks of his presidency than Joe Biden likely did in
the last two years of his presidency. Whatever you think
about the political universe. Trump is more available to more
media and telling you more about what's going on and
what he sees than Joe Biden did for the last
(03:48):
two years. I mean, it is night and day simply
the communication aspect and leadership in a public fashion that
we are seeing between Trump and Biden, right, I mean
to me, I don't want to understate or overlook how
different it is just to see a president standing in
the in front of the media and just randomly taking
(04:10):
questions without having to look down at a note card
and read what his staff is telling him to ask,
without the questions being precleared, all these things that we
didn't see for years from Biden. So with that in mind,
Trump just cannon balled into the Middle East swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think as one way to kind of use a
metaphor to describe what exactly happened, and I believe we
have audio. I'm sure we do, but at its most
basic level, buck Trump basically said, Hey, I want the
United States involved. I want us to assist in a
substantial way in rebuilding Gaza, and I want this to
(04:52):
be the way that we basically bring the Middle East
back from October seventh cannonball ripple effects have just gone
in every direction. No one foresaw anything like this. The motivation,
I would say, Buck, and I'm curious what you think
is and much of the media, I think still doesn't
(05:14):
get it. At his heart, Trump is just a real
estate guy. Like he sees land. He said this when
he went to visit North Korea. He's like, you know,
you got some nice beaches here, you can probably have
casinos you could have I mean, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
This is what he did.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Remember, Yeah, he told Kim Jong Oud He's like, this
is beautiful Layan, you know, like, why wouldn't you have
a nice hotel here? And if you have spent time
around real estate guy And I know there's real estate
galto but a lot of this is real estate guy.
They are the most optimistic, blustering, you know, forward thinking,
(05:50):
sometimes a little bit crazy when they see land. And
I think that Trump really has seen that this place
is destroyed and he's like, I want to rebuild it,
and I think the United States could do a good
job of it. And I also think he knows, Buck,
nothing has worked, and so he's just kind of throwing
suggestions out in a way to try to scramble the
(06:11):
existing dynamics. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Here is let's just let everyone hear what he's said.
Because I listened to this whole press conference yesterday. It's
only a I don't know what it's like at an
executive order signing with members of the press in the room.
It's very Trump, you know, it's very much the look.
It's a show. I mean, he does this, and this,
he's creating news for the full forty five minutes of
the hour, whatever it was. He's doing this, but this
(06:35):
has cut seven Trump saying he will turn Gaza into
the Riviera.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I do see a long term ownership position, and I
see it bringing great stability to that part of the
Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East. And everybody
I've spoken to this was not a decision made lightly.
Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United
States owning that piece of life and developing and creating
(07:01):
thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in
a really magnificent area that nobody would know. Nobody could
look because all they see is death and destruction and
rubble and and uh demolished buildings falling all over and
we have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal.
And I don't want to be cute. I don't want
(07:22):
to be a wise guy.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But the riviera of the Middle East, the rivi era
of the Middle East. Now the AI enabled memes of
like Trump Tower, Trump Hotels and everything is in there.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
A gaza, is it?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know? Like what alago? This This took over the
internet for the last twenty four hours. That was actually
from Trump's UH press conference with bb after UH, after
the the signing and everything else that he was doing
there on the EOS. But okay, Clai, let's break this
down because he there are there are really two different
There was a little bit of a freak out that
(08:00):
happened from some people, and I'll just I'll jump ahead.
I haven't even seen your response to this. My sense is, look,
let Trump be Trump. He's doing his thing, you know,
Let let the man pull the tricks he needs to
for the magic show to continue, because he's on a
hot streak. He's kicking ass. You know, I don't think
he's going to actually take Gaza. Let's just see what
(08:21):
he's saying here. Let you know, because there you saw
the panic or we can get into who's panickings the
two very different groups of people. What how do you
view what he says here in terms of actual policy.
I again, I look at it as a real estate
guy and as a business guy. And for anybody out
there that has ever been involved in a let me,
let me just explain the way he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Anybody who's ever been involved in a negotiation. Sometimes you
walk into a negotiation and the range of potential outcomes
is wild, right, Like you might buy a company, you
might decide to sell a company, you might decide. In
other words, the entire spectrum of possibility is a and
sometimes somebody just needs to start the conversation. So when
(09:05):
I looked at it, Buck, I just came back from Israel,
and I thought it was an important trip for me personally. See,
I know you've been there. You feel so small because
the history of Rancor is so long, and any one
lifespan eighty years, one hundred years, however fortunate you are
to live, it is a pin prick in the conflict
(09:26):
that has existed there. And when you have both sides
sort of intractably in a position and it doesn't seem
like there's much movement. I see Trump as just someone
who runs in and like the cannonball in the pool.
Idea is one where it's like, hey, let's just shake
up the status quo and see if it could lead
us to a better place. That's kind of the way
(09:47):
that I take much of what Trump says publicly is
a challenge to the status quo.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It's like an opening bid, but on an idea for
a solution. Sounds to me though, like you don't you
agree with me, You don't actually think Trump is right
now planning on sending a of course, right, and so
this is where.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So he lets take him so literally, this is that still,
this is the key, right.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
This is why everybody seeds to calm down. The left,
of course takes everything Trump says both out of context
and literally, and they're insane. So those are three things.
So all that together, and so they're like, oh my gosh,
Goza in there. And I really believe this. Americans overwhelmingly
who pretend to care so much about Gaza. It's performative. Okay,
(10:31):
these campus protesters, they know nothing about Gaza. They've never
even been to the Middle East. Again, a few of
them have, but ninety percent ninety five percent. It's all
just Oh I care, and I always want to ask
them you care. You know, some some kid who grew
up in like the mainline of Philadelphia, you know, having
like the maid do his laundry and bring him all
of his meals when he went to private school. Now
(10:51):
he's at Harvard and he can't. He's all upset about Gaza.
I want to say, why aren't you so upset about
South Sudan? Do you know what's going on in South Sudan?
You have any idea about the ethnic cleansing and the
rapes and the murders and the horrific anyway, And the answers,
of course no. They only care about Gaza because they
think it makes them look cool. So there are those
people we can just kind of dispense with that because
(11:12):
it's just anti Trump. Oh my god, Gaza. They act
like it's such a big deal. There were people on
the right though, who and even people that you and
I like and know, you know in the commentary space,
who were very put off by this right away, because like,
this is not America. First, I don't give a damn
about Gaza. Why would we take Gaza and everything else?
And to them, I would just say, I understand the
(11:33):
principle that they're asserting. I don't disagree that we don't
want to set up some satellites. It's one thing to
take over Greenland. Okay, we could take over Greenland. That'd
be one thing. If we tried to take Gaza, I
know something about this, we would have every jiehattist wacko
from Morocco to Indonesia showing up and suicide bombs and
(11:57):
the whole it app and be an absolute mess. Right,
I don't think that's gonna happen. But to Clay's point,
everyone just and I agree and my point too. Take
a deep breath. Trump is being Trump, He's you know,
you know, this is a way of showing, hey, you know,
who should take Gaza, so to speak, at least take
ownership of it in a financial responsibility sense. Ultra rich
(12:20):
Muslim Gulf states that could entirely fund the rebuilding of this,
that could entirely fund an actual, you know, functioning civil
society there. And this I think brings them into the
conversation in a way that otherwise wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Look, there are jewels of the Middle East, right now,
leave aside Israel, which I love and obviously have a
deep affinity for the people of Israel.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
As people attack us as Zionists now online do you
ever see this? You and I we're Zionists and you
see that. Yeah, I mean I've been called a lot worse.
Let me just I love the Jewish people and I
with civilizations, so I'm in the favor of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I was actually going to say something very positive for
the Middle East outside of Israel. A lot of what's
going on in Saudi Arabia I think is very positive
if you look at the way again, I'm not saying
it's very positive compared to like, you know, the flourishment
of full civilization in ancient Rome, right, I'm talking about
compared to recent history in the Middle East. There's a
(13:26):
lot of green shoots of progress. I would say in
Saudi Arabia, I think Mohammed ben Salmon, who is a
relatively young guy for leadership age, has given more freedoms
to women in the Middle East and to people in
his country than has historically existed. I think you can
look at Qatar there positive signs. I think you can
look at Bahrain. I would like to go visit some
(13:47):
of these countries to see them for myself. What Trump
I think is seeing is if these other places in
the Middle East can become tech hubs in some way,
can become capitalistic in some way, why cannot there be
a Middle Eastern arrangement that leads to some form of
(14:09):
peace in Gaza and a rebuilt area.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And also all this stuff about that Trump is saying
here and speaking honestly about it and creating some sense
of accountability for why does Gaza have to be? And
when I say Gaza, I'm not just talking. I'm not
talking about it in the context of oh my god,
the war and there's rubble, of course, there's all that. Now, yes,
how did it get to this point? Right? Why hasn't
Gaza been for the last call it twenty years since
(14:36):
the I'm trying to think of one the handover I
had the handovers two thousand and two and five. I
can't remember now when the when the Israeli's, against a
lot of internal opposition, by the way, pulled out and said, okay, fine,
Palestinian's Gaza is yours. So whatever that timeline is to present,
why has it been such a disaster? And the answer
(14:58):
is Humas and the decision by the electorates such as
it is inside of Gaza because they voted for this
and they support Hamas. That's why it doesn't have to
be this way, Clay.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's the point, Amen, And I mean, I think you
can just say, like, okay, let's compare Hamas and Gaza,
and let's compare what's happened in Dubai like in the
last twenty years. There is a pathway to peace and
prosperity in the Middle East. And there's actually again green
shoots showing much of that positivity. And I think it
is innate nature. Trump is a very positive guy because
(15:31):
guess what, every real estate developer in the world has
to be very positive because you have to in some
way create something out of nothing. And most people who
create something out of nothing that is a brand new building,
a brand new opportunity in real estate. You don't do
it by being a pessimist. General life lesson. Look, a
(15:54):
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We've had a quick turn here, but Clay in Buck
bringing you all the latest today. The Trump press conference
yesterday and the meeting with beb net Yahoo was a
tour de force. It was really incredible. Trump covered so
many subjects. We will dive into it, Clay. You see,
he's got a he's got a you better not even
think about it plan in case Iran, We're to try
(17:41):
to come after him as president, and this should be
the plan for any future president as well. We'll get
into what Trump had to say about it. But I
think Iron knows he's not bluffing. He is not bluffing
at all. And I'm not bluffing when I tell you.
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on the program. Credit to Trump. A lot of what
we say on the program now becoming policy forty seven,
putting in place all of it. So let's dive in
here for a minute. Buck, You and I said on
the program. As soon as news came out that Iran
(19:20):
wanted to assassinate Trump and that the government had actionable
authority of that being true. The fact that to me
Joe Biden didn't come out and immediately vociferously without any
tiptoeing up to it, put Iran on notice publicly what
(19:41):
would happen if they tried to do something like this
was an embarrassment of leadership by him. And in fact,
I remember this may have been like a year and
a half or two years ago when this news came out, Buck,
we had a big discussion. Remember Bill Clinton, when there
was a strong plan to kill George Bush Sr. Came
into office and absolutely waylaid iraq. Do you remember that
(20:04):
story back in the day. We talked about it on
the air. Hey, yeah, Clinton had just run against George H. W.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Bush.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But if someone tries to kill the president, whether you're
a Republican Democrat, independent from a foreign nation or anywhere else,
but certain.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
American, that's an American problem. We rally around our total
team no matter what.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And Biden never said anything. Trump, to his credit, was
asked about it and gave one of the baddest asked
answers I've ever heard, which is, Hey, basically, I've let
everybody know if they kill me, we're going to obliterate
that friggin country. Here it is yesterday in the Oval Office. Listen,
Iran and.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Their prophecies will threaten to retaliate against you and your
team by killing you guys or taking out a fall.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, they haven't done that, and that would be a
terrible thing for them to do, not because of me.
If they did that, they would be obliterated. That'd be
the end. I've left instructions. If they do it, they
get obliterated. There won't be anything left. And they shouldn't
been able to do it. And Biden should have said that,
but he never did. I don't know why. Lack of
(21:11):
intelligence perhaps, but he never said it. If that happens
to a leader or close to a leader, frankly, if
you had other people involved also, you would call for
total obliteration of a state that did it. That would
include Iran.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I love it. I mean it's gonna I think be
something that the Iranians, the Iranian leadership keeps in mind.
Iran is one of these situations where there's a lot
of indications that the Iranian people recognize that their regime
is bad and have a lot of pro Western uh
(21:49):
even sometimes pro American tendencies. But the people in charge,
the apparatus, in charge, the security services, the military, the
mullah's very very bad situation and continue going on. I
think they get the message from Trump that he's not
messing around and they better not get any ideas. So Iran, also,
I might add, is more defanged now in large part
(22:13):
because of what Israel has done than at any time
in recent memory. And with Trump coming in right, so,
so Iran has effectively taken I'm sorry, Israel has taken
Iran's proxies and hit them hard in a way that
makes them far less effective tools of terror across the
(22:34):
Middle East battlefield. And now Trump comes in and he's
signing executive orders on maximum pressure campaigns, and they know
with the Trump administration, you know, they don't want to
mess around and find out and so that was really
the executive order, I think the spirit of the executive
order he signed yesterday. And there are some other things too.
He got into. Did you see him, Clay what he
(22:56):
talked about. We mentioned this in the show yesterday. Uh Bukeley,
who is the president of El Salvador, which is this
is a story that every American should know. And I know,
you know, Tucker's done a high profile and interview with them,
and people have you know, Satin bou Boukeley was just
with Marc Rubio, Secretary of State for Trumpet, so people
(23:18):
know who Bukeley is. But really every American should know
because El Salvador was, on a per capita basis, one
of the highest murder rates. And when I say one of,
I mean out of two hundred something countries, it was
top three most years.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Whatever. The most dangerous part of America is off the
charts compared to that part of America. That's how dangerous
that part of El Salvador was.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
If you have if you have an American city where
the or the you know, the murder rate is you know,
five per one hundred thousand or something or ten per
hundred thousand, in El Salvador was like one hundred per hundred.
I mean, it was just a completely and it's a
small country, and there was the sense of oh no,
what can we do? And the Democrat idea for this
this time into a lot. Okay, this ties into the
(24:02):
aid conversation, it ties into the immigration conversation, it ties
into certainly the crime conversation, Democrats were remember Kamala, the
borders are, who wasn't root causes? You know, I'm gonna
go to look at root causes. Well, Bookeley comes in
and he goes, I've got an idea. If you're a
criminal who's doing really bad things, we're just going to
lock you up and we're going to make sure that
(24:24):
you cannot do any bad things anymore. And whatever it
takes to get us there, we're going to do. Now.
El Salvador has one of the lowest murder rates in
the Western Hemisphere. It has a lower murder rate per
capita I believe than we do. I think that Canada
even does. I mean, it is like there's almost no
murders happening in Bukeley's El Salvador, and they're saying, we'll
(24:46):
take some of your bad guys. So Trump this brought
this up yesterday, Boo Kelly saying, hey, look, if you
got people you don't want to hold in your Colorado
Supermax or something else, we got a heck of a
prison system here set up for them. And here's what
Trump said, this is three we could make.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Deals where we'd get these animals out of our country.
And you know, if you take the shooters, the people
that hit old ladies in the back of the head
with a baseball bat when they're not looking, they walk
down the street, the people that you and you see it,
the people that take out a gun and shoot you
for no reason at all. If we could get these
animals out of our country and put them in a
(25:23):
different country under the supervision of somebody that made a
relatively small fee to maintain these people, because you know
what these are criminals, you call them hardened criminals. They've
been in jail forty times. There's one forty two times,
and every time the person gets out, it's a heat.
(25:45):
Every time he gets out, he commits another crime within
twenty four hours, and it's a heinus crime. It's a
rough crime. We don't want these people in our country either.
We don't want them in our country.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Look this it's funny because this was the entire concept
of penal colonies back in the day, right, Like you
would take people literally out of your physical land and
put them elsewhere because you found them to be such
a disaster to your ability to be safe in your country.
Now there are challenges here. I don't know what the
(26:18):
law would be about being able to take an American
and put them in a foreign prison. You know, I
practiced law in the Caribbean. I'm still licensed in the
Caribbean when I graduated US Virgin Islands. You do not,
I think I've talked about this on the show before, Buck,
but you do. I've done it. You do not want
to be in another country's prison. Like as awful as
(26:45):
American prisons are, and I ain't saying I want to
be in one, when you walk in, I'm USBI, I
have represented prisoners there. When you walk into a and
this is still under the American flag, but it's a territory.
You walk into some of those prisons, it is a
nasty place. I would imagine that a lot of these
(27:08):
Latin American prisons, Buck, I mean, it makes an American
prison look.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Like a hotel I had. You know, Carrie and I
went to Bermuda while we were engaged, just for a weekend.
You know, it's actually a very easy flight from like
New York and DC. It's you know, uh, and it's
very civilized, lovely place. Highly recommend it. I'd never been before,
but it's just one of these things where our driver
(27:33):
one day had formerly been the director of prisons on
the isle. And you we're just talking to him, very
you know, very charming fellow local an islander. And and
I remember we I remember thinking I had that American
thing of I'm like, oh, prison in Bermuda, like, you know,
do they give you like a cocktail and you know,
some some seersucker shorts, you know, like how does it go?
(27:55):
And he was like, oh, no, no air conditioning. Play
oh yeah, no air like you're in a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
In the Virgin Islands, Saint Croix, they did not have
air conditioning for the prisoners there. Yeah, And I mean
we're talking about you know, it is stultifying there. If
you've ever been in the Caribbean, imagine that you're in
a concrete box basically, and it is. There's virtually no
air circulation at all. I mean, you are just sweating
(28:26):
all day long. Doesn't get very cool at night. I
remember going in and look, when anytime you go into
a prison, for anybody who's been to a prison, you
definitely leave and you want to kiss the ground when
you walk out. You're like, man, that is even just
going in knowing you can leave. It's intimidating going through
that many different check points everything else, and I represent it.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Back in the.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Day, every every warrior in the Virgin Islands buck had
to get assigned criminal cases because they don't have enough
criminal defense attorneys, and so everyone licensed there would get
criminal cases, which kind of unheard of. It doesn't exist
anywhere in the United States. So I'm a twenty five
year old lawyer assigned criminal cases, and I just remember
the feeling of going into that, into that prison, and
(29:09):
I there's nothing like it. My point on it is
American prisoners actually, as prisoners go, have it better than
virtually anyone in the world. I would imagine that in
addition to getting the bad guys off the streets, that
is not a place that you want to be. So
I love the idea in general of paying far less
(29:30):
money to put our worst guys in really crappy conditions
because I think it actually might be an incentive to
not not commit a crime. That's like every one of
those shows locked up abroad or whatever, and always a
lot of it for some reasons seem like they're British
guys who get caught up in this stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then like I was on I was on all
the day in Thailand and I was like, I can
make five thousand quid if I just take this package
their customs. It's like, don't do it. Don't do it, man,
it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And not only are the prisons awful. You do not
want to be arrested in a foreign country, man, You
do not want to be arrested because you can find
a lawyer here. I get nervous sometimes in a foreign country,
just like with the idea of how you go through
the product, like the poor your guy who want to
behaved godad Tobago, it had.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Like a couple of couple of rounds in his back. Yeah,
you want to be a very good guest in foreign countries.
And one of the reasons is especially if you're in
you know, if you're in any kind of a country
that is kind of poor, which just because you're in
a fancy resort doesn't mean it doesn't it's not a
poor country, especially in the Caribbean places like that, because
if you have to rely on the embassy and or
the consulate to take care of you, good luck, it's
(30:42):
not going to be a fun process. Like having known
a lot of people who worked and worked with people
who worked in embassies and consulates. Yeah, that's that's not
a good thing. So Trump put out this idea again.
I don't think he's going to send our prisoners to
Al Salvador, but he's just you know, having the conversation
(31:03):
and letting the criminal justice system know that we're in
the not messing around group now and people who do
look Clay. The whole next hour I want to dive
into I know you want to dive into women's sports,
thing for women, which we're going to do. But the
next hour, I want to talk about this stuff about
the FBI and how many people in the FBI were
on J six cases. To me is jaw dropping. I mean,
(31:26):
it's like truly terrifying. So we should talk about that
because I think the FBI, the rank and file, we're
far more involved in this than a lot of people realize.
And that's it. That's a change in perception. I think
on the right, we'll get to this. We'll take some
of your calls talk about women's and women in sports,
which I can't even believe we're here, but we're in
a place where Trump has to be like, no dudes
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Speaker 2 (33:12):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're gonna have some
updates for you on what a doge has been up
to the Department of Government efficiently efficiency. Elon Musk, it's amazing.
You know, it's amazing because the Democrats are freaking out
about it. It has got them really concerned. And something
that I mentioned yesterday, Clay, remember I said, I said,
you know, eighty billion dollars of medicare fraud is what
(33:34):
the estimate is yearly, yearly in this country and has
been for a long time. Elon and his team, who
now who have Treasury i know, payment access, are looking
into medicare fraud. You see that little announcement. Oh, they're
gonna look into who who is the government paying massive
sums of money to that is defrauding the government to
(33:56):
the tune of well huge amounts of money. So you know,
we will into some of that and also the FBI
and the focus the FBI had put on j six
people is I thought it was bad. It is far
worse than I thought in terms of the manpower and
the number of people that were But when you think
(34:18):
about it, you know they had a couple thousand prosecutions,
and you know this is the FBI. You want the
FBI focused on the worst of the worst stuff, right,
the worst violations of federal law, the people that are
really hurting people, the people that are hurting kids, the
people that are you know, stealing and bankrupting from people.
(34:38):
And instead the FBI was worried about people that walked
into a building for two minutes and didn't do anything.
In a lot of cases, that is what happened. We
will discuss that coming up. Also, Claire, I wanted to say,
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(35:51):
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Am I right in my assessment that somehow you upset
a great of women's tennis and I am part of
the collateral damage. Now we need to discuss this. Evidently,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I was getting ready for bed and I saw that
Martina Nevratilova told me to f off, and I was like,
what what Martina Nevratlova, What did I do to her?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
And she's blocked me too, just for being friends with
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