March 26, 2024 • 36 mins
TRUTH Social goes public, Trump's net worth soars over $6 billion. Business pundits call TRUTH Social a meme stock, worthless. MSNBC hosts freak out over NBC hiring Ronna McDaniel. Rachel Maddow's rant against NBC. What happened to political debates on TV? Alyssa Farah Griffin on "credible" Republicans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we roll through today's program. Got a couple of
great guests coming down the line. Tutor Dixon, an awful
story out of Michigan, another legal immigrant taking a life
(00:21):
that is getting a great deal of attention and none
of these should be happening. We will talk about that
with her, as well as Michigan as a battleground state.
She's part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. Andy
McCarthy on the absolute latest wranglings related to the Trump
legal process. All of that coming your way during the
course of the show. But there are three big stories
(00:44):
I would say in conjunction that we will be talking about.
The Francis Scott Key Bridge, I'm sure many of you
have seen by now collapsed after being hit by a
large tanker. The bridge saw this last night happen. Buck.
When I saw the video, I thought it had to
be AI with all of the talk about AI, because
(01:08):
I had just never seen a bridge, certainly not in America,
collapse like this one did. When it was struck by
the boat. They are still looking for survivors potentially, but
it sounds like there will be six to eight casualties,
which given the collapse of the bridge, is really remarkable.
They were able to may day ahead potentially and keep
(01:30):
the number of cars limited on that bridge. But just
a crazy story to follow. We'll talk about that. Truth
Social has made its debut and Donald Trump on paper
is now has now has over five billion dollars in
truth Social stock. Let me see what the absolute latest
(01:52):
on this is. Buck out there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I had coffee with a friend this morning who knows
the financial world, and we both came to this inclusion.
It's remarkable the Democrats seem to be in process of
making Trump president again and making him a billionaire again
so he can make America great again.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I mean that the.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Legal stuff is backfiring, the financial stuff is backfiring. I
know it's early. I know we don't know where this
all ends up. But Clay, if someone had told me
that Trump was gonna be worth five billion liquid in
addition to all the real this is totally separate from
all the real estate holdings and all the brand value,
I would have said not in a million years.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I mean, it's just so hard to do that, and
here we are. That is also where I hope that
the legacy of the lawfair is going to be, that
it blows up so much in Democrats' faces that even
though legally someone might be willing to try it again,
that they set around and say, well, remember what happened
with Trump. Let's be careful here. Let's try to beat
(02:57):
him in the ballot box and not try to put
him in prison for the rest of his life and
bankrupt him. I also would say this, there are a
lot of you out there listening that are very frustrated
with what you've seen occurring in our culture, whether it's
bud Light, whether it's Planet Fitness, whether it's Disney, the
culture of wokeness that has infected so much of this
(03:18):
country right now. I think Elon Musk calls it accurately
buck the woke mind virus that has taken over and
led so many of us fellow citizens astray. There is
opportunity in chaos, and there is opportunity in awful decision making.
And Trump is becoming this is the greatest wealth creation
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day in his entire life, and he's had a lot
of them over the years, and it's all because they
banned him from Twitter, from Instagram, from Facebook, from all
of those companies. If they just hadn't banned him, I
think the odds of him starting his own social media
company would have been low. He saw the opportunity, he's
taken advantage of it. We don't know where it's going
(04:04):
to go from here, and we'll have some conversations about this,
but the fact that he was able to create this
situation at all is a testament to see an opportunity
and seizing it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I think it would be hard to come up with
a way to unite conservatives more aggressively together than to
do exactly what they have been doing for so many
people that I know. You know, for example, even if
I remember Tucker said this that when they rated mar
(04:36):
A Lago, as much as he was frustrated about some
aspects of you know, twenty twenty and Jay six and
everything else with regard to Trump, and Tucker said that
that it was just over for him. It's all about
not let it. You can't let this stand. Like you
don't have a republic anymore, you don't have a system
of elected government and rule of law instead of rule
(04:58):
of men, if you can and just have on some
preposterous pretext, as we said all along, like you know,
if they found five bodies in the yard at mar
A Lago, Okay, we get it right, Like you know,
there are there are reasons to investigate. They sent an
FBI team into the guy's house over documents, and I
know all the arguments to his president, but just put
(05:19):
that aside for a second. It obviously didn't need to happen.
It was show trial stuff. It was Soviet stuff. And
so for a lot of people any misgivings that they've
had about you know, is Trump the right guy again?
Maybe he was the right guy in twenty sixteen at
twenty twenty, is he still the right guy given what
the Democrats have done to him? I think people are
shouting more than ever, more loudly than ever, on the
(05:40):
right he's the only guy. I also think it's evidence
of many of the narratives that Democrats have totally collapsing
around them. I read yesterday on Friday they sent out
the Biden Harris Camp did a email calling Donald Trump
broke don with the idea being, oh, he we've bankrupted him.
(06:01):
He doesn't have any money, and now he has tangible
wealth which no one can deny, which for a real
estate guy has always been the question about Trump in
the past, because what stake do you have in that building?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What's the value of that building at its present present price,
what is the interest rates going to be? What is
the actual yield on some of these properties? We never
really knew. Now all we have to do to figure
out what Trump's truth Social value is is just multiplied
the price of the stock times the number of shares
(06:38):
that he has and he's made at the price that
it presently is roughly five billion dollars in truth Social today.
And I think you and I, if we had been
forecasting truth Social, I would have never expected Trump to
make even one billion dollars off truth Social if we
had been talking about this a couple of years ago.
(07:00):
When the company idea came out.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I also am very encouraged because I was for for years,
uh Clay, even before you and I you and I
teamed up for this show. One of the things that
I'll be honest, I would just get so frustrated about
was the recognition that the left had established control not
(07:22):
just of platforms but really of commerce that in the
digital you know, internet first era we lived in, they
had seized all the choke points. They had seized the
choke points for everything from social media to who's delivering
you know, toilet paper and boxes to your house, to
the web servers that are the things you have to
(07:42):
you know, run the electron through to even be on
the internet, all of it, they had taken all of it.
The parallel economy that we are seeing emerging, and I
will say, uh, that includes some of our our stalwarts
sponsors on this show who have been with us for
years and with other conservative shows for years too. It
is growing by leaps and bounds because it is right
(08:03):
and it is necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I'm you know so that's.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Why when I see the truth social thing and I
see you know, different brands out there, and you know,
we're we're thinking Clay all the time about how we
could contribute to this as well. Yes, it's important to
build brands that share your values. I always tell people,
you know, I want conservative everything in my life at
least as an option. And if it is an option,
(08:27):
you know what, I'm gonna take it. That's why I
started out kick. I didn't know exactly where everything was going.
But if you and that's what I would say to
all of you out there, frustration, anger, that's not a strategy,
but it can lead to a strategy.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And if you are an entrepreneur, if you are a capitalist,
there are a lot of opportunities out there, as Buck
said in the Parallel Economy, for you to find a
way to not just make money, which is great, but
to also make money while advocating for things that you
believe in and throwing a punchback at this woke universe.
(09:04):
Here's Stuart Varney, by the way, on Fox Business discussing
Truth Social Now. To be fair, there is a meme
stock element to this. For those of you who followed
Game Stop, bed Bath and beyond. I bet a lot
of people who are listening to us right now are
buying stock in Truth Social symbol DGT DJT sorry because
(09:26):
they want to show support for Donald Trump. And Stuart
Varney talks about that a little bit. Cut five. I'm
going to get back to DJT as in Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The stock is now forty one percent, it's open for
trading azov this morning. Are people buying this company this
stock because they think it's got inherent value or because
they want to demonstrate support for Donald Trump. I think
it's almost like a meme stock, and that's the way
it they'll play out. It's a bet on whether Trump
(09:55):
wins or loses in November of this year. If he loses,
I think the stock Ghost will down. If he wins,
it looks like he's going to win. I think the
stock does well because then truth Social will will do well.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think there's some truth to that. Again, what is
the actual market value here? Just to be fair, who
is this? This is Truth Social is essentially worthless? Not surprising.
Adam Pollock says, if Trump tried to sell the company
would go to zero. Here's cut eight.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I think that the value is essentially worthless. This is
a company that doesn't make any money. And sure they
could change the bylaws and end the lock up period
and go to market and sell US share. Someone will
buy US share two shares. But if they went to
market and tried to sell three billion dollars, the value
of the stock would go to zero practically immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
That's what I said yesterday to be fair that it's
not like you can just unload the stock and then
everything will be fine, So it's not quite as clear
as you know. It's not like Trump got to check
three billion dollars for winning the lottery. You know, this
is not money in the bank even with that, by
the way, as anyone, I don't know how many lottery
winners we have. You know that they always give you
some lump sum option payment upfront, which is a tiny
(11:11):
fraction of the overall because they pay you in yearly
installments for the rest of your life. And you know,
people would rather have a lot of money at once.
I think though that Clay. What we see is people
are recognizing that, you know, conservative media came along, thank
you Rush and then Fox News and some sites on
the internet and were it was it was finally possible
(11:36):
to have a little bit of of a of a
counter narrative, right, But what we've seen is the counter
narrative is not enough if they're going to control everything
that you can buy, and they're going to control everyone's
retirement accounts, and they're going to have all that so.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In every ad agency, which may be the locust of
all industries in the entire country.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and so you look at the way that that
market dominant is cracking and I just think it's such
a good thing. It's such a good thing for the country.
We're the early stages of it, to be clear. I mean,
if you look at the assets that a Blackstone has
I'm sorry, black Rock has well. I mean Blackstone is
huge too, but that's private equity. But black Rock has
(12:16):
under management for example, And you look at Vanguard and
these huge companies.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I know. That's why you know Viveik has been trying.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
To push a conservative values aligned financial sector effectively. I mean,
he's starting out with one company, but he's trying to
do more than that. Because if at the end of
the day, we're hoping for the good graces of the
board of directors of some multi national media conglomerate to
(12:44):
say I'm going to allow conservative voices, you know, there
are very few places where that's going to be able
to happen. There are a lot of places where you're
gonna get what you have at Morning Joe, which I
want to talk more about, Clay. Yes, they have gone
full blown insane, and I think this all ties together right,
They've gone full blown insane over let's be honest, a
(13:06):
not particularly effective milk toast Republican joining the ranks at
NBC News. They are acting like they have I mean,
they're acting like they've hired Clay and Buck. They're acting
like they've thrown you know, Alex Jones on there. I mean,
they're they're going all in against Ronna McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And they're only paying her again, three hundred thousand dollars.
And people say, well, that's a lot of money. That
is nothing relative to what It's not like they gave
her thirty million dollars like they did Rachel Maddow. I mean,
this is a relatively you know, normal contributor contract for
someplace like Nbczoro probably makes close to ten million dollars
a year, oh at least at least. Yeah.
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I want to dive into this. There's a number of
these things it is. It is rare for me to
be taken aback. I believe it's a nautical term for
when the wind switches on you and hits your sale
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Speaker 1 (15:59):
I was just thinking that there are two things that
everybody to a large extent, knew a lot about back
in the day, riding horses and sailing, you know, boats
and how to do it that we know nothing about now.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
A lot of it influences our terminology. Yeah. So anyway,
I'm rarely taken aback by the libs because I know
how crazy they are, and I feel like I've made
a life study of insane libs. As a conservative who
grew up in New York City. But the freak out
over roon a McDaniel is just wild over at NBC News.
(16:31):
This is let's hear from. There's so many to choose from, Clay,
Let's start with Nicole Wallace ten.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
In this instance, NBC News, either wittingly or unwittingly, is
teaching election deniers that what they can do stretches well
beyond appearing on our air and interviews to pedal lies
about the sanctity and integrity of our elections, which Ron
McDaniels did yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I mean the press.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
What we've also said election deniers is not just they
can do that on our airwaves, but that they can
do that as one of us, as bad carrying employees
of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Our sacred airwaves. The cool Kids Table is very upset
that the NERD wants to sit with them. Clay's I
have so many thoughts about this, but we need to
really kind of dive into what's going on here. We
talked about it a little bit yesterday, and I understand
if some of you out there don't really understand or
haven't really paid that much attention to this story, but
(17:27):
I think it's so emblematic of the desire to control
what can be said and this whole toxic concept of platforming. Oh,
you're not allowed to platform someone else and allow them
to share their ideas. That's too destructive to journalism. When
all MSNBC does all day is chill for Joe Biden.
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They're way more leftists on Fox News than there are
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Okay, we
talked about this some yesterday, but this has gone to
just next levels of utter insanity, and I think we
(19:13):
need to kind of contextualize how bonkers the culture of
many of these news organizations has become. Buck. They pay
Rachel Maddow thirty million dollars a year now MSNBC does
to do one show a week. She's on every Monday.
She opened her show yesterday with a twenty seven minute
(19:39):
rant about how unacceptable it was that Ronald McDaniel was
being hired by NBC. And I want to give you
a couple of these, a couple of these cuts. But
here is Mattow saying, Ronal McDaniel on the payroll is inexplicable.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Listen, Ronal McDaniel will not appear on MSNB, so says
our boss since Saturday, and it has never been anything
other than clear. And I will also say, you know,
if you care what I think about this, I will
tell you the fact that miss McDaniel is on the
payroll at NBC News, to me, that is inexplicable.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
You wouldn't hire like a wise guy. You wouldn't hire
a made man like a mobster to work at a
DA's office, right, You wouldn't hire a pickpocket to work
as a TSA screener.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
And so I.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Find the decision to put her on the payroll inexplicable,
and I hope they will reverse their decision.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
This is an awful analogy, first of all, because one
of the primary ways that people who work in communications
for the Republican Party and the Democrat Party when they
leave politics is they go straight to media, just like
Jensaki just did. But even her analogy there, you wouldn't
hire someone as a lawyer who das go and become
(20:58):
defense attorneys all the time. That is one of the
primary ways that defense attorneys make their become skilled enough
is they learn what the prosecutor does, and then they're
able to defend better because they know the other side's playbook.
So this clutching of pearls that is going on over
Roona McDaniel is important because really what they're saying is
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they're fine with Republicans so long as they all hate Trump,
which is what the arguments are.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, this is what they've been doing really for years.
And you know, CNN had a house cleaning even back
in twenty seventeen where they got rid of all the
pro Trump Republicans that they had on the air before
because they were horrified in their minds their role in
helping to elevate Trump to the presidency by carrying his rallies.
And as I've said many times, they thought it was
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all just like a carnival, like a side show where
they get great ratings and the American people get a laugh.
As Hillary is, you know, measuring the drapes in the
White House for a second time. And what happened is
obviously we know what happened twenty sixteen, Trump wins. The
part of this, though we haven't gotten into yet, is
there's reporting and this is what's really amazing to me
that NBC News is thinking about withdrawing or you know,
(22:12):
canceling or contract already that this kind of pressure publicly
from hysterical lunatic news anchors in their employ might result
in them bailing on Ronald mcgannell. Which is just why
I say you cannot be This is not overstatement. You
cannot be a Republican and take yourself seriously and go
(22:34):
work on air at NBC or CBS or CNN, MSNBC.
You can't because they won't have you. If they're willing
to have you, it's because you're a punching bag, or
as they used to call it. You ever heard the
phrase clay pigeon about this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
That's what they used to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's a little bit like a like a jobber in wrestling, right,
isn't that the guy that gets thrown around?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, you're a clay pigeon. You're meant to get blown
to smithereens on TV and or your job is to
be a fake Republican who says I'm a Republican and
let me say, I'm just here to bash Donald Trump. Well,
you know, the whole Republican Party is unifying behind Donald
Trump right now. So if you're a Republican and all
you're going to do is bash Trump and say you're
(23:17):
going to vote for Democrats, I think there's some confusion
about what party you belong to.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I also think there's a couple of other things that
are at play here. One, the media power is collapsing.
Can you think of anyone in traditional media at NBC,
CBS or ABC that is really trusted by the American public.
(23:42):
I can't think of anyone. And you and I are
old enough to remember the days when a Dan Rather
or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings what they said actually
did carry a lot of weight, and they were at
least pretending that they were playing it down the middle.
Now was that true? Okay? I think you can make
arguments against it, and certainly this comes out of the
(24:05):
Walter Cronkite era, but there was sort of this gatekeeper
aspect to the media where there was trustworthiness here. Think
about NBC doesn't have a single person on its airwaves
that I'm aware of fuck that would say, yeah, I'm
voting for Trump. I think he's the better choice than Biden.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, how can you be representative or speak to America
in a way that you're supposed to connect when you
don't have a single person in the any broader news
network ecosystem that you're operating who understands what what half
the country thinks.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What was your first have we talked about this? What
was your first ever internship? My first ever internship was
on Capitol Hilly with h with the Nashville congressman at
the time when I was at GW. I went and
uh and interned in that Nashville Congressman's off.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Because because my my first internship at CBS, right, CBS okay,
I have the CBS even News with Dan Rather Okay, yeah,
And and people would say, oh, Buck, I thought you
were a conservative high school yeah, Will, I didn't know.
I didn't know that this was the gold standard like
CVS even News with Dan Rather, this is non political.
I was like a seventeen year old kid. I didn't
know anything. Maybe I just earned eighteen and I'm working there.
(25:12):
And I just remembered, even at that young age, being
just shocked at sitting in the meetings how like rabidly
partisan because they would now I was a little interned.
I was literally fetching tapes and coffee.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I was want to be very I was doing the
most low level stuff, but they let me sit in.
And I'm not an imbecile, you know. I was a
pretty stavvy kid. And I would hear them, I'm like, wow,
they just all like hate hate Republicans. Is this is
how it was very obvious, very clear, and beyond that,
I was amazed. Also, Dan rather not smart, like not
(25:47):
a wise, knowledgeable, well read guy at all, spent a
lot of time in the makeup chair and a lot
of time staring at himself as he read lines written
by other people. And I was like, this guy's basically
an actor. Yeah, And that was a really formative realization
at a very young age. I was like, oh, so
this is all a fraud. Basically, this whole thing is
(26:07):
a fraud.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And I do think it's important to remember that these
are public airwaves. And I haven't heard anybody talk about this,
but CBS, NBC, ABC, you have an obligation to try
and represent the nation on your airwaves because these are
(26:30):
publicly owned airwaves. And it's different than on MSNBC or
Fox News or CNN, which are cable premium channels that
we all pay for. You can still get ABC, CBS
and NBC if you go put you know, you go
put your antenna up. You can still pull these things
out the out of the sky. And so I haven't
(26:53):
heard have you heard anybody talk about this? This is actually,
I think a really interesting angle to attack. NBC arguably
is actually obligated to hire someone like Roni McDaniel because
while MSNBC might only want to cover left wing and
propaganda for Democrats, as a cable channel, NBC News has to, ostensibly,
(27:19):
under the equal time doctrine, not be producing a propaganda
news broadcast, and so having someone like Roni McDaniel is
not only arguably good for business to have as many
people that you're speaking to as possible, arguably it's required.
And I haven't heard anybody make an argument about that.
(27:41):
As everybody is losing their minds on MSNBC, you can't.
And in fact, I think we should play this because
this is the real world that we're in right now.
I'm why don't why don't we tease with This's a
good idea. We'll play what exactly they want to do
and uh and what they're actually trying to do and
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Speaker 1 (29:15):
You don't know what's you don't know? Right, but you
could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
All right, welcome back to Clay and Buck. So what
should conservative voices at left wing outlets sound like? What
are the guidelines here? Because if we don't want any
of those election denials?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Makes me so scared they denial elections.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm like, wait, didn't Donald Trump win the twenty sixteen
election because of Russia? Oh no, that's a lie. But
all the Democrats said that for four years.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's so weird. Yeah. And also, just to make an
analogy here, Donna Brazil got hired by Fox News. Again
not a direct analogy because Fox News a cable company,
but did you hear anyone at Fox News publicly lose
their mind over Fox News hiring one of Hillary's top advisors?
And Donna Brazilla spent years saying that Trump stole the
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twenty sixteen election, and she goes on as the Democrat
strategist who was breaking down twenty twenty election night coverage.
I mean, she is the Democrat there. You know that
Fox News has Herald Ford Junior. They have a lot
of people who are Democrats on their network. Still, the
origins of our business, some would trace back to the
(30:30):
debates between Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley. That was
a very early version of this.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know, I know there was there was Buckley crossfire
and stuff, but the the Vidal Buckley debates that happened,
I forget what year it was for the presidential election,
but got you know, a lot of attention and very
But it was always supposed to be the exchange, the
back and forth of ideas from different sides like that.
That's kind of the origins of this. I mean, political
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debate is supposed to be exchange of ideas. And what's
happened in the Internet era is we've just gotten increasingly siloed.
And as you and I always say, like I'll go on,
I mean I've done, Bill Mahrs. You know you'll be
on at some point it's crazy that you haven't been on,
but you'll be on at some point. But that's one
of the very rare places these days where you can
be right of center and even get invited on. And
(31:21):
you know, it's not fair there, like I was. It
was four on one when I'm there, and.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
People was like, you should just go squort shirts.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm like, yeah, but you just end up yelling over.
You can't do that, right, you only have so much
time to talk or else you sound like a crazy
person is just shouting over everybody. But anyway, here's how
they want things to be though, So that's one. One
version of it is the Buckley Vidal. Do you know
that clip? By the way, Clay, do you know what
I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Or he's like, listen, you know he Buckley lost his
cool little bit with the Vidal. Do you know what
I'm talking about? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Buckley Buckley
got a little hot under the collar. Anyway, here is
uh maybe we'll play that well. Anyway, here is uh.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Alyssa Farroh Griffin over at CNN say, oh no, I'm
sorry on the view she's on CNNA and oh she's
on CNN. Yes, what she's a view host, there we go,
cause you're welcome everywhere if you're a lid. This is
what should be the way play it.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
I feel very strongly, obviously that there needs to be
a Republican representation in media. We represent fifty percent of
the country, but there are credible Republicans who never dabbled
in this dangerous lie that Joe Biden didn't legitimately win
the election, who would be far better served for NBC
could offer the same expertise but with more credibility. I
think if people like Chris Christy, Chris Kreb, Sarah Matthew,
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Smick mulvaney willhard to give her this platform when she
was such a contributor, she hosted that insane RNC press
conference where they blamed Hugo Shavas, who was no longer
with us, for stealing the election. Like there's just such
a credibility factor, and I think it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
She's the head, was the head of the RNC. Okay,
we all understand why she got hired. Clay also, I
was trying to think, what are the names Chris Christie
who everybody that she named hates. So it's fine if
you're a Republican to be hired as long as you
hate Trump, right, that's the so you have to hate
you have to be a Republican who wants the Democrats
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to win. That's the standard. That's the rule for being
an acceptable Republican on the airwaves of ABC, CBS, NBCC
and n ET cetera, and you know all these different
news channels.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And again, I think the fact that this is a
public network is not getting enough attention. They are obligated,
and we'll see whether they end up buckling to MSNBC
because Rachel Mattow had a big point of She's never
going to appear on our airwaves. This is NBC news only.
Do they not understand the equal time doctrine that arguably,
in order to have their license, NBC has an obligation
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to do news, and they have an obligation to do
news in not an incredibly part is in way now,
So many of you out there are going to say, well,
let's be honest, NBC, CBS, ABC, all of them have
their own bias associated with that. I understand certainly they do,
but it's different than what's permissible under the cable news standard.
(34:02):
So I don't hear anybody talking about this. But NBC
is obligated in many ways. I think buck to have
someone like Ron McDaniel to speak to Trum right now
is favor to win election. Over half of people right
now are saying they would vote for him. Think about
what NBC is saying. You can't have anyone that is
paid by the network that over half of the nation
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is willing to vote for.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
And they wonder why the notion of trust and journalism
is It's just a punchline. Now it's a joke, and
no one takes seriously that these entities are are nonpartisan
or even honest rights the it's gone beyond the level.
I try to remind people of this all the time.
They've always been partisan, but they used to have a
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greater inclination toward factual honesty because they know without any
without factual honesty, nobody who's intelligent will believe you, and
also at least go through the motions of hearing from
the other side.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, but now that's been dispensed with, and this is
how you get to I can't remember it was the
New York Times, the Washington Post, but openly there was
democracytized in darkness and The Washington Post under the Trump era,
but they started to say openly, we have to take
sides against Trump, because to take sides against Trump is
to side with the truth. And that was the you know,
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this was like the absolutism that they were excusing.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
No doubt, and also it coincidentally was also what was
necessary in order for their business to thrive as they
moved to a subscription based model. Remember, there is nobody
out there who wants to subscribe to The New York
Times and just get straight down the middle news. By
and large, The New York Times is a fan Democrat site,
and people pay The New York Times to tell them
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you're right, your side is correct on everything. Republicans are awful.
There isn't really a print publication that is the equivalent
of the New York Times. People say, oh, the Wall
Street Journal. Wall Street Journal is maybe a little bit
right of center. I mean, it's by far, I think
the most reliable news organization from a print publication perspective.
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Maybe you say the New York Post, but it's not
primarily a subscription based model. So everything is falling apart
in terms of trying to cover and be fair to
both sides, which is what the ostensible purpose of NBCABC,
CBS all are as a function of getting their broadcast license.
We come back. We've got a couple of awesome guests
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coming to your direction, by the way, Tutor Dixon, Andy McCarthy.
Tutor Dixon for the latest of what's going on in
the toss up state of Michigan, which if Biden loses,
he is going to end up not winning in twenty
twenty four almost definitively. And then Andy McCarthy on the calendar,
the schedule, all of the legal machinations that are underway.
We'll break all that down for you next couple of hours.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we roll through today's program. Got a couple of
great guests coming down the line. Tutor Dixon, an awful
story out of Michigan, another legal immigrant taking a life
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that is getting a great deal of attention and none
of these should be happening. We will talk about that
with her, as well as Michigan as a battleground state.
She's part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. Andy
McCarthy on the absolute latest wranglings related to the Trump
legal process. All of that coming your way during the
course of the show. But there are three big stories
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I would say in conjunction that we will be talking about.
The Francis Scott Key Bridge, I'm sure many of you
have seen by now collapsed after being hit by a
large tanker. The bridge saw this last night happen. Buck.
When I saw the video, I thought it had to
be AI with all of the talk about AI, because
(01:08):
I had just never seen a bridge, certainly not in America,
collapse like this one did. When it was struck by
the boat. They are still looking for survivors potentially, but
it sounds like there will be six to eight casualties,
which given the collapse of the bridge, is really remarkable.
They were able to may day ahead potentially and keep
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the number of cars limited on that bridge. But just
a crazy story to follow. We'll talk about that. Truth
Social has made its debut and Donald Trump on paper
is now has now has over five billion dollars in
truth Social stock. Let me see what the absolute latest
(01:52):
on this is. Buck out there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I had coffee with a friend this morning who knows
the financial world, and we both came to this inclusion.
It's remarkable the Democrats seem to be in process of
making Trump president again and making him a billionaire again
so he can make America great again.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I mean that the.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Legal stuff is backfiring, the financial stuff is backfiring. I
know it's early. I know we don't know where this
all ends up. But Clay, if someone had told me
that Trump was gonna be worth five billion liquid in
addition to all the real this is totally separate from
all the real estate holdings and all the brand value,
I would have said not in a million years.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I mean, it's just so hard to do that, and
here we are. That is also where I hope that
the legacy of the lawfair is going to be, that
it blows up so much in Democrats' faces that even
though legally someone might be willing to try it again,
that they set around and say, well, remember what happened
with Trump. Let's be careful here. Let's try to beat
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him in the ballot box and not try to put
him in prison for the rest of his life and
bankrupt him. I also would say this, there are a
lot of you out there listening that are very frustrated
with what you've seen occurring in our culture, whether it's
bud Light, whether it's Planet Fitness, whether it's Disney, the
culture of wokeness that has infected so much of this
(03:18):
country right now. I think Elon Musk calls it accurately
buck the woke mind virus that has taken over and
led so many of us fellow citizens astray. There is
opportunity in chaos, and there is opportunity in awful decision making.
And Trump is becoming this is the greatest wealth creation
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day in his entire life, and he's had a lot
of them over the years, and it's all because they
banned him from Twitter, from Instagram, from Facebook, from all
of those companies. If they just hadn't banned him, I
think the odds of him starting his own social media
company would have been low. He saw the opportunity, he's
taken advantage of it. We don't know where it's going
(04:04):
to go from here, and we'll have some conversations about this,
but the fact that he was able to create this
situation at all is a testament to see an opportunity
and seizing it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I think it would be hard to come up with
a way to unite conservatives more aggressively together than to
do exactly what they have been doing for so many
people that I know. You know, for example, even if
I remember Tucker said this that when they rated mar
(04:36):
A Lago, as much as he was frustrated about some
aspects of you know, twenty twenty and Jay six and
everything else with regard to Trump, and Tucker said that
that it was just over for him. It's all about
not let it. You can't let this stand. Like you
don't have a republic anymore, you don't have a system
of elected government and rule of law instead of rule
(04:58):
of men, if you can and just have on some
preposterous pretext, as we said all along, like you know,
if they found five bodies in the yard at mar
A Lago, Okay, we get it right, Like you know,
there are there are reasons to investigate. They sent an
FBI team into the guy's house over documents, and I
know all the arguments to his president, but just put
(05:19):
that aside for a second. It obviously didn't need to happen.
It was show trial stuff. It was Soviet stuff. And
so for a lot of people any misgivings that they've
had about you know, is Trump the right guy again?
Maybe he was the right guy in twenty sixteen at
twenty twenty, is he still the right guy given what
the Democrats have done to him? I think people are
shouting more than ever, more loudly than ever, on the
(05:40):
right he's the only guy. I also think it's evidence
of many of the narratives that Democrats have totally collapsing
around them. I read yesterday on Friday they sent out
the Biden Harris Camp did a email calling Donald Trump
broke don with the idea being, oh, he we've bankrupted him.
(06:01):
He doesn't have any money, and now he has tangible
wealth which no one can deny, which for a real
estate guy has always been the question about Trump in
the past, because what stake do you have in that building?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What's the value of that building at its present present price,
what is the interest rates going to be? What is
the actual yield on some of these properties? We never
really knew. Now all we have to do to figure
out what Trump's truth Social value is is just multiplied
the price of the stock times the number of shares
(06:38):
that he has and he's made at the price that
it presently is roughly five billion dollars in truth Social today.
And I think you and I, if we had been
forecasting truth Social, I would have never expected Trump to
make even one billion dollars off truth Social if we
had been talking about this a couple of years ago.
(07:00):
When the company idea came out.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I also am very encouraged because I was for for years,
uh Clay, even before you and I you and I
teamed up for this show. One of the things that
I'll be honest, I would just get so frustrated about
was the recognition that the left had established control not
(07:22):
just of platforms but really of commerce that in the
digital you know, internet first era we lived in, they
had seized all the choke points. They had seized the
choke points for everything from social media to who's delivering
you know, toilet paper and boxes to your house, to
the web servers that are the things you have to
(07:42):
you know, run the electron through to even be on
the internet, all of it, they had taken all of it.
The parallel economy that we are seeing emerging, and I
will say, uh, that includes some of our our stalwarts
sponsors on this show who have been with us for
years and with other conservative shows for years too. It
is growing by leaps and bounds because it is right
(08:03):
and it is necessary.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I'm you know so that's.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Why when I see the truth social thing and I
see you know, different brands out there, and you know,
we're we're thinking Clay all the time about how we
could contribute to this as well. Yes, it's important to
build brands that share your values. I always tell people,
you know, I want conservative everything in my life at
least as an option. And if it is an option,
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you know what, I'm gonna take it. That's why I
started out kick. I didn't know exactly where everything was going.
But if you and that's what I would say to
all of you out there, frustration, anger, that's not a strategy,
but it can lead to a strategy.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And if you are an entrepreneur, if you are a capitalist,
there are a lot of opportunities out there, as Buck
said in the Parallel Economy, for you to find a
way to not just make money, which is great, but
to also make money while advocating for things that you
believe in and throwing a punchback at this woke universe.
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Here's Stuart Varney, by the way, on Fox Business discussing
Truth Social Now. To be fair, there is a meme
stock element to this. For those of you who followed
Game Stop, bed Bath and beyond. I bet a lot
of people who are listening to us right now are
buying stock in Truth Social symbol DGT DJT sorry because
(09:26):
they want to show support for Donald Trump. And Stuart
Varney talks about that a little bit. Cut five. I'm
going to get back to DJT as in Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
The stock is now forty one percent, it's open for
trading azov this morning. Are people buying this company this
stock because they think it's got inherent value or because
they want to demonstrate support for Donald Trump. I think
it's almost like a meme stock, and that's the way
it they'll play out. It's a bet on whether Trump
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wins or loses in November of this year. If he loses,
I think the stock Ghost will down. If he wins,
it looks like he's going to win. I think the
stock does well because then truth Social will will do well.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think there's some truth to that. Again, what is
the actual market value here? Just to be fair, who
is this? This is Truth Social is essentially worthless? Not surprising.
Adam Pollock says, if Trump tried to sell the company
would go to zero. Here's cut eight.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I think that the value is essentially worthless. This is
a company that doesn't make any money. And sure they
could change the bylaws and end the lock up period
and go to market and sell US share. Someone will
buy US share two shares. But if they went to
market and tried to sell three billion dollars, the value
of the stock would go to zero practically immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
That's what I said yesterday to be fair that it's
not like you can just unload the stock and then
everything will be fine, So it's not quite as clear
as you know. It's not like Trump got to check
three billion dollars for winning the lottery. You know, this
is not money in the bank even with that, by
the way, as anyone, I don't know how many lottery
winners we have. You know that they always give you
some lump sum option payment upfront, which is a tiny
(11:11):
fraction of the overall because they pay you in yearly
installments for the rest of your life. And you know,
people would rather have a lot of money at once.
I think though that Clay. What we see is people
are recognizing that, you know, conservative media came along, thank
you Rush and then Fox News and some sites on
the internet and were it was it was finally possible
(11:36):
to have a little bit of of a of a
counter narrative, right, But what we've seen is the counter
narrative is not enough if they're going to control everything
that you can buy, and they're going to control everyone's
retirement accounts, and they're going to have all that so.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In every ad agency, which may be the locust of
all industries in the entire country.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and so you look at the way that that
market dominant is cracking and I just think it's such
a good thing. It's such a good thing for the country.
We're the early stages of it, to be clear. I mean,
if you look at the assets that a Blackstone has
I'm sorry, black Rock has well. I mean Blackstone is
huge too, but that's private equity. But black Rock has
(12:16):
under management for example, And you look at Vanguard and
these huge companies.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I know. That's why you know Viveik has been trying.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
To push a conservative values aligned financial sector effectively. I mean,
he's starting out with one company, but he's trying to
do more than that. Because if at the end of
the day, we're hoping for the good graces of the
board of directors of some multi national media conglomerate to
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say I'm going to allow conservative voices, you know, there
are very few places where that's going to be able
to happen. There are a lot of places where you're
gonna get what you have at Morning Joe, which I
want to talk more about, Clay. Yes, they have gone
full blown insane, and I think this all ties together right,
They've gone full blown insane over let's be honest, a
(13:06):
not particularly effective milk toast Republican joining the ranks at
NBC News. They are acting like they have I mean,
they're acting like they've hired Clay and Buck. They're acting
like they've thrown you know, Alex Jones on there. I mean,
they're they're going all in against Ronna McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And they're only paying her again, three hundred thousand dollars.
And people say, well, that's a lot of money. That
is nothing relative to what It's not like they gave
her thirty million dollars like they did Rachel Maddow. I mean,
this is a relatively you know, normal contributor contract for
someplace like Nbczoro probably makes close to ten million dollars
a year, oh at least at least. Yeah.
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I want to dive into this. There's a number of
these things it is. It is rare for me to
be taken aback. I believe it's a nautical term for
when the wind switches on you and hits your sale
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in the wrong direction. By the way, fun fact, to
be taken a back or a back. You knew this,
right you're looking at No, I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I was just thinking that there are two things that
everybody to a large extent, knew a lot about back
in the day, riding horses and sailing, you know, boats
and how to do it that we know nothing about now.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
A lot of it influences our terminology. Yeah. So anyway,
I'm rarely taken aback by the libs because I know
how crazy they are, and I feel like I've made
a life study of insane libs. As a conservative who
grew up in New York City. But the freak out
over roon a McDaniel is just wild over at NBC News.
(16:31):
This is let's hear from. There's so many to choose from, Clay,
Let's start with Nicole Wallace ten.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
In this instance, NBC News, either wittingly or unwittingly, is
teaching election deniers that what they can do stretches well
beyond appearing on our air and interviews to pedal lies
about the sanctity and integrity of our elections, which Ron
McDaniels did yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I mean the press.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
What we've also said election deniers is not just they
can do that on our airwaves, but that they can
do that as one of us, as bad carrying employees
of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Our sacred airwaves. The cool Kids Table is very upset
that the NERD wants to sit with them. Clay's I
have so many thoughts about this, but we need to
really kind of dive into what's going on here. We
talked about it a little bit yesterday, and I understand
if some of you out there don't really understand or
haven't really paid that much attention to this story, but
(17:27):
I think it's so emblematic of the desire to control
what can be said and this whole toxic concept of platforming. Oh,
you're not allowed to platform someone else and allow them
to share their ideas. That's too destructive to journalism. When
all MSNBC does all day is chill for Joe Biden.
(17:49):
They're way more leftists on Fox News than there are
conservatives on MSNBC. We'll talk about it in the meantime.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Okay, we
talked about this some yesterday, but this has gone to
just next levels of utter insanity, and I think we
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need to kind of contextualize how bonkers the culture of
many of these news organizations has become. Buck. They pay
Rachel Maddow thirty million dollars a year now MSNBC does
to do one show a week. She's on every Monday.
She opened her show yesterday with a twenty seven minute
(19:39):
rant about how unacceptable it was that Ronald McDaniel was
being hired by NBC. And I want to give you
a couple of these, a couple of these cuts. But
here is Mattow saying, Ronal McDaniel on the payroll is inexplicable.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Listen, Ronal McDaniel will not appear on MSNB, so says
our boss since Saturday, and it has never been anything
other than clear. And I will also say, you know,
if you care what I think about this, I will
tell you the fact that miss McDaniel is on the
payroll at NBC News, to me, that is inexplicable.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
You wouldn't hire like a wise guy. You wouldn't hire
a made man like a mobster to work at a
DA's office, right, You wouldn't hire a pickpocket to work
as a TSA screener.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
And so I.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Find the decision to put her on the payroll inexplicable,
and I hope they will reverse their decision.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
This is an awful analogy, first of all, because one
of the primary ways that people who work in communications
for the Republican Party and the Democrat Party when they
leave politics is they go straight to media, just like
Jensaki just did. But even her analogy there, you wouldn't
hire someone as a lawyer who das go and become
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defense attorneys all the time. That is one of the
primary ways that defense attorneys make their become skilled enough
is they learn what the prosecutor does, and then they're
able to defend better because they know the other side's playbook.
So this clutching of pearls that is going on over
Roona McDaniel is important because really what they're saying is
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they're fine with Republicans so long as they all hate Trump,
which is what the arguments are.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, this is what they've been doing really for years.
And you know, CNN had a house cleaning even back
in twenty seventeen where they got rid of all the
pro Trump Republicans that they had on the air before
because they were horrified in their minds their role in
helping to elevate Trump to the presidency by carrying his rallies.
And as I've said many times, they thought it was
(21:49):
all just like a carnival, like a side show where
they get great ratings and the American people get a laugh.
As Hillary is, you know, measuring the drapes in the
White House for a second time. And what happened is
obviously we know what happened twenty sixteen, Trump wins. The
part of this, though we haven't gotten into yet, is
there's reporting and this is what's really amazing to me
that NBC News is thinking about withdrawing or you know,
(22:12):
canceling or contract already that this kind of pressure publicly
from hysterical lunatic news anchors in their employ might result
in them bailing on Ronald mcgannell. Which is just why
I say you cannot be This is not overstatement. You
cannot be a Republican and take yourself seriously and go
(22:34):
work on air at NBC or CBS or CNN, MSNBC.
You can't because they won't have you. If they're willing
to have you, it's because you're a punching bag, or
as they used to call it. You ever heard the
phrase clay pigeon about this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
That's what they used to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's a little bit like a like a jobber in wrestling, right,
isn't that the guy that gets thrown around?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, you're a clay pigeon. You're meant to get blown
to smithereens on TV and or your job is to
be a fake Republican who says I'm a Republican and
let me say, I'm just here to bash Donald Trump. Well,
you know, the whole Republican Party is unifying behind Donald
Trump right now. So if you're a Republican and all
you're going to do is bash Trump and say you're
(23:17):
going to vote for Democrats, I think there's some confusion
about what party you belong to.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I also think there's a couple of other things that
are at play here. One, the media power is collapsing.
Can you think of anyone in traditional media at NBC,
CBS or ABC that is really trusted by the American public.
(23:42):
I can't think of anyone. And you and I are
old enough to remember the days when a Dan Rather
or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings what they said actually
did carry a lot of weight, and they were at
least pretending that they were playing it down the middle.
Now was that true? Okay? I think you can make
arguments against it, and certainly this comes out of the
(24:05):
Walter Cronkite era, but there was sort of this gatekeeper
aspect to the media where there was trustworthiness here. Think
about NBC doesn't have a single person on its airwaves
that I'm aware of fuck that would say, yeah, I'm
voting for Trump. I think he's the better choice than Biden.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, how can you be representative or speak to America
in a way that you're supposed to connect when you
don't have a single person in the any broader news
network ecosystem that you're operating who understands what what half
the country thinks.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What was your first have we talked about this? What
was your first ever internship? My first ever internship was
on Capitol Hilly with h with the Nashville congressman at
the time when I was at GW. I went and
uh and interned in that Nashville Congressman's off.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Because because my my first internship at CBS, right, CBS okay,
I have the CBS even News with Dan Rather Okay, yeah,
And and people would say, oh, Buck, I thought you
were a conservative high school yeah, Will, I didn't know.
I didn't know that this was the gold standard like
CVS even News with Dan Rather, this is non political.
I was like a seventeen year old kid. I didn't
know anything. Maybe I just earned eighteen and I'm working there.
(25:12):
And I just remembered, even at that young age, being
just shocked at sitting in the meetings how like rabidly
partisan because they would now I was a little interned.
I was literally fetching tapes and coffee.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I was want to be very I was doing the
most low level stuff, but they let me sit in.
And I'm not an imbecile, you know. I was a
pretty stavvy kid. And I would hear them, I'm like, wow,
they just all like hate hate Republicans. Is this is
how it was very obvious, very clear, and beyond that,
I was amazed. Also, Dan rather not smart, like not
(25:47):
a wise, knowledgeable, well read guy at all, spent a
lot of time in the makeup chair and a lot
of time staring at himself as he read lines written
by other people. And I was like, this guy's basically
an actor. Yeah, And that was a really formative realization
at a very young age. I was like, oh, so
this is all a fraud. Basically, this whole thing is
(26:07):
a fraud.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And I do think it's important to remember that these
are public airwaves. And I haven't heard anybody talk about this,
but CBS, NBC, ABC, you have an obligation to try
and represent the nation on your airwaves because these are
(26:30):
publicly owned airwaves. And it's different than on MSNBC or
Fox News or CNN, which are cable premium channels that
we all pay for. You can still get ABC, CBS
and NBC if you go put you know, you go
put your antenna up. You can still pull these things
out the out of the sky. And so I haven't
(26:53):
heard have you heard anybody talk about this? This is actually,
I think a really interesting angle to attack. NBC arguably
is actually obligated to hire someone like Roni McDaniel because
while MSNBC might only want to cover left wing and
propaganda for Democrats, as a cable channel, NBC News has to, ostensibly,
(27:19):
under the equal time doctrine, not be producing a propaganda
news broadcast, and so having someone like Roni McDaniel is
not only arguably good for business to have as many
people that you're speaking to as possible, arguably it's required.
And I haven't heard anybody make an argument about that.
(27:41):
As everybody is losing their minds on MSNBC, you can't.
And in fact, I think we should play this because
this is the real world that we're in right now.
I'm why don't why don't we tease with This's a
good idea. We'll play what exactly they want to do
and uh and what they're actually trying to do and
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Speaker 1 (29:15):
You don't know what's you don't know? Right, but you
could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
All right, welcome back to Clay and Buck. So what
should conservative voices at left wing outlets sound like? What
are the guidelines here? Because if we don't want any
of those election denials?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Makes me so scared they denial elections.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm like, wait, didn't Donald Trump win the twenty sixteen
election because of Russia? Oh no, that's a lie. But
all the Democrats said that for four years.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's so weird. Yeah. And also, just to make an
analogy here, Donna Brazil got hired by Fox News. Again
not a direct analogy because Fox News a cable company,
but did you hear anyone at Fox News publicly lose
their mind over Fox News hiring one of Hillary's top advisors?
And Donna Brazilla spent years saying that Trump stole the
(30:07):
twenty sixteen election, and she goes on as the Democrat
strategist who was breaking down twenty twenty election night coverage.
I mean, she is the Democrat there. You know that
Fox News has Herald Ford Junior. They have a lot
of people who are Democrats on their network. Still, the
origins of our business, some would trace back to the
(30:30):
debates between Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley. That was
a very early version of this.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know, I know there was there was Buckley crossfire
and stuff, but the the Vidal Buckley debates that happened,
I forget what year it was for the presidential election,
but got you know, a lot of attention and very
But it was always supposed to be the exchange, the
back and forth of ideas from different sides like that.
That's kind of the origins of this. I mean, political
(30:58):
debate is supposed to be exchange of ideas. And what's
happened in the Internet era is we've just gotten increasingly siloed.
And as you and I always say, like I'll go on,
I mean I've done, Bill Mahrs. You know you'll be
on at some point it's crazy that you haven't been on,
but you'll be on at some point. But that's one
of the very rare places these days where you can
be right of center and even get invited on. And
(31:21):
you know, it's not fair there, like I was. It
was four on one when I'm there, and.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
People was like, you should just go squort shirts.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm like, yeah, but you just end up yelling over.
You can't do that, right, you only have so much
time to talk or else you sound like a crazy
person is just shouting over everybody. But anyway, here's how
they want things to be though, So that's one. One
version of it is the Buckley Vidal. Do you know
that clip? By the way, Clay, do you know what
I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Or he's like, listen, you know he Buckley lost his
cool little bit with the Vidal. Do you know what
I'm talking about? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Buckley Buckley
got a little hot under the collar. Anyway, here is
uh maybe we'll play that well. Anyway, here is uh.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Alyssa Farroh Griffin over at CNN say, oh no, I'm
sorry on the view she's on CNNA and oh she's
on CNN. Yes, what she's a view host, there we go,
cause you're welcome everywhere if you're a lid. This is
what should be the way play it.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
I feel very strongly, obviously that there needs to be
a Republican representation in media. We represent fifty percent of
the country, but there are credible Republicans who never dabbled
in this dangerous lie that Joe Biden didn't legitimately win
the election, who would be far better served for NBC
could offer the same expertise but with more credibility. I
think if people like Chris Christy, Chris Kreb, Sarah Matthew,
(32:33):
Smick mulvaney willhard to give her this platform when she
was such a contributor, she hosted that insane RNC press
conference where they blamed Hugo Shavas, who was no longer
with us, for stealing the election. Like there's just such
a credibility factor, and I think it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
She's the head, was the head of the RNC. Okay,
we all understand why she got hired. Clay also, I
was trying to think, what are the names Chris Christie
who everybody that she named hates. So it's fine if
you're a Republican to be hired as long as you
hate Trump, right, that's the so you have to hate
you have to be a Republican who wants the Democrats
(33:08):
to win. That's the standard. That's the rule for being
an acceptable Republican on the airwaves of ABC, CBS, NBCC
and n ET cetera, and you know all these different
news channels.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And again, I think the fact that this is a
public network is not getting enough attention. They are obligated,
and we'll see whether they end up buckling to MSNBC
because Rachel Mattow had a big point of She's never
going to appear on our airwaves. This is NBC news only.
Do they not understand the equal time doctrine that arguably,
in order to have their license, NBC has an obligation
(33:41):
to do news, and they have an obligation to do
news in not an incredibly part is in way now,
So many of you out there are going to say, well,
let's be honest, NBC, CBS, ABC, all of them have
their own bias associated with that. I understand certainly they do,
but it's different than what's permissible under the cable news standard.
(34:02):
So I don't hear anybody talking about this. But NBC
is obligated in many ways. I think buck to have
someone like Ron McDaniel to speak to Trum right now
is favor to win election. Over half of people right
now are saying they would vote for him. Think about
what NBC is saying. You can't have anyone that is
paid by the network that over half of the nation
(34:23):
is willing to vote for.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
And they wonder why the notion of trust and journalism
is It's just a punchline. Now it's a joke, and
no one takes seriously that these entities are are nonpartisan
or even honest rights the it's gone beyond the level.
I try to remind people of this all the time.
They've always been partisan, but they used to have a
(34:47):
greater inclination toward factual honesty because they know without any
without factual honesty, nobody who's intelligent will believe you, and
also at least go through the motions of hearing from
the other side.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, but now that's been dispensed with, and this is
how you get to I can't remember it was the
New York Times, the Washington Post, but openly there was
democracytized in darkness and The Washington Post under the Trump era,
but they started to say openly, we have to take
sides against Trump, because to take sides against Trump is
to side with the truth. And that was the you know,
(35:19):
this was like the absolutism that they were excusing.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
No doubt, and also it coincidentally was also what was
necessary in order for their business to thrive as they
moved to a subscription based model. Remember, there is nobody
out there who wants to subscribe to The New York
Times and just get straight down the middle news. By
and large, The New York Times is a fan Democrat site,
and people pay The New York Times to tell them
(35:44):
you're right, your side is correct on everything. Republicans are awful.
There isn't really a print publication that is the equivalent
of the New York Times. People say, oh, the Wall
Street Journal. Wall Street Journal is maybe a little bit
right of center. I mean, it's by far, I think
the most reliable news organization from a print publication perspective.
(36:04):
Maybe you say the New York Post, but it's not
primarily a subscription based model. So everything is falling apart
in terms of trying to cover and be fair to
both sides, which is what the ostensible purpose of NBCABC,
CBS all are as a function of getting their broadcast license.
We come back. We've got a couple of awesome guests
(36:24):
coming to your direction, by the way, Tutor Dixon, Andy McCarthy.
Tutor Dixon for the latest of what's going on in
the toss up state of Michigan, which if Biden loses,
he is going to end up not winning in twenty
twenty four almost definitively. And then Andy McCarthy on the calendar,
the schedule, all of the legal machinations that are underway.
We'll break all that down for you next couple of hours.
(36:45):
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