May 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with a lively discussion about Cinco de Mayo, its historical significance, and how Americans have embraced the holiday for festive celebrations. The hosts humorously debate the merits of various Mexican foods, including burritos, taquitos, and quesadillas, with Clay expressing his preference for shrimp quesadillas.
The conversation transitions to the topic of cultural appropriation, questioning its relevance and predicting a return to normalcy in societal attitudes. The hosts then delve into current events, highlighting a recent sit-down interview with Donald Trump on Meet the Press. They discuss Trump's comments on border security, his proposed third term, and his critiques of judges and immigration policies. Trump's idea of reopening Alcatraz as a prison for the most dangerous criminals sparks a detailed debate about its feasibility and historical context.
The show also touches on the movie industry and Trump's proposed tariffs on films made outside the United States, emphasizing the impact of high production costs and regulations on Hollywood. The hosts share personal anecdotes about classic movies like "The Rock" and "Commando," discussing their filming locations and cultural significance.
Additionally, the hosts address the stock market's recent performance, noting its recovery and the importance of staying calm during market fluctuations. They also preview upcoming segments, including discussions on FBI agents' actions during BLM protests, Warren Buffet's announcement to step down, and deporting illegals.
Clay asks Buck (and the audience) if he thinks he can make the swim from Alcatraz.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off now Senco Cinco de Mayo edition.
I don't speak Spanish very well, sorry, Sinco de Mayo
and play we could all take a moment to commemorate
(00:20):
the victory over the Second French Empire at the Battle
of Puebla in eighteen sixty two. I remember it like
it was yesterday. So this really has just become a
holiday that Americans have appropriated so that we can have
an excuse to drink a lot of servesa and margarito's.
(00:40):
Because Mexicans don't care about this holiday very much, this
has become an American thing. We love Cinco de Mayo
for the excuse that it gives us to eat delicious food.
Maybe where some festive attire sombreros. I want as many
people to culturally appropriate to as possible. I want you
(01:02):
to post comfortably on your social media accounts if you
have a sombrero hat, if you potentially have a Mexican
mustache that you would like to pose with as well.
We would like to honor all of our good friends
in Mexico with the best thing that America does, which
is take the best things from the world and make
them better. Do you agree with my somewhat controversial tweet
(01:23):
that just came to me this morning that burrito's somewhat overrated,
but taqitos, which is a deep fried taco, underrated.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So it does not surprise me that you would even
have elite and high end Mexican food taste, which the burrito.
I know because the advertisements run all the time with
Eva Longoria's podcast advertisement, I understand where the burrito came from.
I actually am a casadea fan. I think the casadilla
(01:56):
is the peak Mexican dish.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I know some of you are going to argue fijidas, well,
a lot of work and it's always you know, like sizzling,
and then you have to move things around and complicated.
I like the casadia everything rolled together. And I'll even
specify used to be a chicken casadia guy, now all
in on shrimp cas ideas, which probably is a little
(02:18):
bit healthier.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You know, I'm just gonna say I would usually like
to make fun of your taste by saying, of course
you like the Mexican version of the grilled cheese. However,
when it comes to fijidas. I've had bad fijidas I
have Sometimes the steak is too chewy, sometimes the chicken
is way too dry. I've never had a bad casadia.
I will just say it's.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Hard to screw casandias are up there with like cheeseburgers,
chicken fingers, pizza.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
If you screw it up.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And I mean this is why kids like a lot
of times kids go with the cheesecasadia because they don't
want anything else on it, and it basically is even
closer to a grilled cheese. Then it's just really hard
to screw up a casadia if you've got to make
a choice.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Now, just saying for everybody sinco to my enjoy however
you celebrate, and we could get into some of the
discussion about cultural appropriation later. First of all, it's an
idiotic term. Second of all, I think that that as
a notion is rapidly fading away. And I have to say,
I wonder if we're even going to see the controversy
(03:19):
this fall over children wearing like a Pocahontas Halloween costume.
Is this stuff finally going to go back to normalcy
where people don't act over overreact and become hyper sensitive. Anyway,
discussions for later in the show or perhaps another day.
Let's give you what we got on the news here,
because I know that's the first and foremost reason why
you come and hang with us. That and Clay's culinary
(03:41):
takes sit down with Trump, where he covered a lot
of ground on Meet the Press, talks about the border,
talks about the Trump third term. We are going to
dive into that. Trump also with some scorching truths which
I always think of as tweets, but truth social postings
over the weekend, one on Judges, and he's almost verbatim
(04:03):
Clay copying what we've said so many times in the show,
which is, if Democrats can kick the border wide open
and we can't deport anybody in any meaningful numbers, including
people that have been here for a year, two years,
you know, three years. If we can't do that, the
country is essentially over because the Democrats are just going
to flood the country to the point where there's no
longer sovereignty and the rule of law has just become
(04:24):
a joke. Well, we'll get into that a lot of attention,
and we will spend some time on Trump's truth about
reopening Alcatraz as a prison. It's already open, Clay, You've
been right.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So I was just there like a month ago, remember,
because that's when I watched the great film The Rock
with my junior in high school. We were out in
San Francisco. We toured Alcatraz. We'll get into The Rock
in a little bit, but yet, I know my friend.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
David Rutherford Ago Dave Rutherford, who is a former Navy Seal,
has sent us a talkback about this little controversy in
that movie because the Seals just get wiped out by
the Marines. I'm sure the Marines all laugh about this
one and they're like, hah, look at the Seals. But
the Seals did not have a good showing in The Rock,
which is the most absurd movie any of us I
think have ever. I loved it, though I'm not entertaining.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I'm not going in with a historical accuracy or the
analysis of the gun battles, which I'm sure the Seals
are not happy about. I think the idea of a
group of Navy Seals deciding to take over chemical weapons
sorry if you spoiler alert here, deciding to steal chemical
weapons and takeover and island, the Marines.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Who steal it. The Seals try to take the island back.
So the Seals are the good guys in this movie. Sorry,
the Marines, that's right, Clay, Sorry, sorry, my bad. They
got the Seals get wiped out, yeah by the marine
fast spoiler alert. Yeah, because we're used to this. Usually
when the Seals appear in the movie, it's like the
cavalry arrives. You're not used to the Seals getting all
wiped out without taking out a single bad guy. So
(05:56):
that's the one part of The Rock Man. So anyway,
Dave is a former Seal, he'll weigh in. We'll have
some fun on that. I do it. By the way,
this is not a Grumpy Buck moment. I do think
The Rock is a great watch. It is just absolutely
preposterous top to bottom and is kind of a stealth
James Bond movie too because of the Sean Connery thing.
But we shall discuss that. We got a lot more
to dive into when we've your talkbacks and emails from
(06:17):
over the weekend. But let's let's get into the Trump
situation here. Let's get into what happened in this interview
with First of all, this is we have to keep
reminding everybody because if nothing else happened Clay in the
first year of a Trump presidency, then completely securing the
border to the point where everyone has to agree it's secured,
(06:39):
you would think, wow, that's a really that's a really
big win for the administration. The only issue that I
have with this, or the only problem I can foresee,
is that he secured the border so quickly that it's
now turned into Okay, what's next. Which, yes, that's a
high class problem, you could say. But it's amazing what
they've been able to do. And even Welker has to
(07:01):
admit this. This is cut one about border crossings. Play
this border crossings are at their lowest level ever recorded.
Is the border? Is the border now secure?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's really secure?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Because when you say that, doesn't it just sound good
after being abused for years by an incompetent president that
allowed people to pour through an open border, criminals from
all over the world, murders and insane people from mental
institutions and insane asanum's. Isn't it a beautiful thing when
you say it's the most secure it's ever been in
(07:37):
the history of our country. Isn't that a nice statement.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It is a nice and I actually think that we
have to keep hammering that home because I think it's
indicative that you have to trust Trump on economic and
tax policy and other immigration policy choices. Because everything that
(08:01):
he said he would do at the border, he did it,
and he did it in the first month, and Democrats said, basically,
this was impossible. And it is an incredible accomplishment to
have the most secure border that we've ever had in
the history of our nation. And so I don't think
we can overlook that as there are other battles that
are intensely underway right now, and I think, I mean,
(08:22):
I know, we talked about the stock market for several
weeks back in April. You know, the stock market is
now higher than it was at the beginning of April.
That's the S and P five hundred, the Dow, and
the Nasdaq. And if you were just calm and you
either bought more or you just put your four to
oh one k off to the side and didn't look
at it, you're doing very well. Unfortunately, I know that
(08:46):
a lot of people bought high and sold low because
you let your emotions get the better of you. But
were potentially, we'll see how it goes today, Buck, I
think it would be ten straight days, which is a
record for the last twenty years of stock market going up.
And we're basically back to where we were on election day.
(09:07):
So if you didn't feel incredibly poor on election day,
and I hope a lot of you did not, then
the stock market goes up and down. But six months
later we're basically at the exact same place as we
were then, and I think that's significant and why I
hope that you stood strong and didn't bail and turn
into what did pankin? What did Trump call it? Don't
(09:30):
be a pankin? Yes, don't be a panikin. Yes, he's
good with the words. Trump bigly, bigly talented when it
comes to words. We have a new tariff that got
discussed though in this interview. This is getting a lot
of attention. I think it was cover the Wall Street
Journal online today or at least on the front page,
if you will, about the movie industry in this country.
And Clay Trump has appointed as special ambassadors to Hollywood
(09:55):
Mel Gibson, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And John Voight. And there is a big problem with
Hollywood right now. People who Rob Low did a podcast.
I'm a Rob Low fan. Rob Low did a podcast,
I said, quite a career, long, long time, and they
were talking about how expensive it is to try to
make any movie in Hollywood right now, and it's insane,
(10:20):
but it's actually a really good microcosm. People might say, oh,
this is what's actually a huge business, but I might say,
this is just one industry, and okay, but what's going
on when you can't make movies in America anymore. We're
the place that makes all the movies, but we have
to make them in other countries. I think that this
is important because it shows what we're dealing with here
(10:40):
with stupid policy, with unnecessary regulation and costs. So Trump
says they're going to be tariffs now on movies that
are not made here. Play two the Lovely Parish.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
What they've done is other nations have been stealing the movies.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
The movie making capa Villa is from the United States.
And I said to a couple of people.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I've just a very strong research over to the last league,
and we're making very few movies now Hollywood and things destroyed.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Now you have an in confident.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Trustly and confident governor that allow that to happen. So
I'm not just blaming other nations, but other nations, a
lot of them have stolen our movie industry. And I'm
saying if they're not.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Willing to make a movie inside the United States, and
we should have a tariff when movies that come in.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And not only that, governments are actually giving big money.
I mean they're supporting.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Them for that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So that's sort of all right to play here. Let's
the audio is not great there, but you hear Trump
saying more or less saying, look, it's too expensive. On
that Rob Low podcast that I mentioned, he said that
I think it was for a lot of productions. Even
if there was an open lot in Hollywood, the actual
movie lot that no one is using, it is cheaper
to fly the entire cast to Budapest and make the
(11:58):
movie in Hungary's American production companies.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I mean, this is a reality and Hollywood and
I actually think Trump, some of you probably are going
to think this too, may be too kind right here
and what he's doing because la is not exactly Trump
Country and Hollywood isn't either, But I think it's emblematic
of staying committed to principle over the politics here. Hollywood
(12:25):
and America in general is being hollowed out now. Partly
that's because of the cost, to your point, Buck, that
Gavin Newsom has put to bear on production there. I know,
I worked on a Hollywood studio, well, a LA studio
on the Fox Lot. I've spent months and months, if
not years, of my life doing shows that are originating
(12:49):
from LA, sometimes here locally in Nashville, but other times
on the lot itself. And there has been a tremendous decline.
I think the number in the New York Times I
was reading about it is something like thirty percent of
all Hollywood productions have vanished in the last couple of years.
And they're now going elsewhere. And there's a lot of
people struggling that used to work. And I'll point this
(13:10):
out the people Buck, and you've you might heard Adam
Carolla telling us this.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I found it to be true. The guys and.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Gals who build the sets and walk around with the
cameras and do the physically laborious jobs of making movies
and television, actually a lot of them vote Republican. Because
they would come up to me and they'd be like, dude,
I agree with everything you're saying. They'd say it quietly.
You know a lot of times the people in front
of the cameras don't, but the people behind the scenes,
these people are really hard working, physical laborers oftentimes, and
(13:41):
many of them are Trump people.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You know, my wife yesterday was tending to our baby,
little Speed, and we're flipping through because she, you know,
she's got a lot of baby chores to take care
of it. I try to help out, so I'm there
with her and we're in kind of that mode where
we're all taking a beat with the baby. We're trying
to find something on TV. We're flipping through and we
get to the Schwarzenegger classic Commando, which he had never seen,
(14:07):
and we proceeded to dive into have you ever seen Commando? Oh?
Of course up there with the rock. In terms of
great movie, absolutely preposterous and makes no sense in any
but doesn't matter. Doesn't matter, still a great movie. But
it's the whole thing. You can tell it's shot in
the in like the either the Hollywood Hills or probably
in the valley somewhere. I mean, it's shot right in
(14:28):
the vicinity of la You can just see the topography
and the cars all have LA license plates on and
everything else, And it's just funny because that used to
be the standard. So many of the movies we grew
up with were all filmed in and around southern California
because that's where Hollywood was, right. So you just you
hired a camera crew, you went to a place that
And what we've seen now is they're all making movies
(14:52):
in Vancouver. Why are you going to make movies in Vancouver?
So I don't think what Trump is doing is crazy,
But beyond that, I think people recognize that bad policy
and bad decision making by people like Gavin Newsom have
really made it hard for one of the great American industries,
which is true of the movie industry. It is one
of the great. We are totally dominant in movies and
(15:14):
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Speaker 2 (16:22):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We should
mention hour number three today. Some of you saw and
we wanted to make sure we covered that there have
been reassignments and some consequences for the FBI agents who
kneeled during the BLM protests. I know it was five
years ago, uh, but Cash Bttel has not forgotten about that.
(16:45):
And Nicole Parker, former FBI agent, she's down in Miami.
She's been on the show before. She does a lot
of Fox News as well. She's gonna come on and
talk about that and the changes that she has seen
begin to be made in the FBI and why they
are so important. We'll also have fun with the Alcatraz discussion,
(17:06):
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be stepping down at the end of the year. We'll
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(17:30):
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Warren Buffett's leadership. I'm not sure that anybody ever is
going to equal or even come close to equaling his
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See the representative for warranty details. All right, welcome back
into Clay and Buck. So we're talking here about some
of the big moves from Trump over the weekend. He
sat down with NBC News ABC which one I don't know,
and Christen Welker, which one is she with NBC?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
NBC She was actually, remember one of the unfair moderators,
which goes back to Trump's willingness to talk to anybody
like the.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Fair, the old ambush stuff about like well what about
January sixth, and you're a fascist in stolen election and
no one cares, No one wants to hear it anymore.
So they're out of the they're out of the usual tactics,
and so they have to say, Okay, I mean, I
guess you secured the border, but like, what about a
Brego Garcia. I mean, they're just they're really scraping the
(19:41):
bottom of the attack barrel.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The New York Times Buck had like a six thousand
word piece on a Breo Garcia on the front on
the front page of the Sunday New York Times, and
I could not even hardly read more than a couple
of paragraphs, But given all of the revelations about him,
I'm surprised that they have continued to try and make
(20:04):
him a victim.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So let's discuss another big moment from Trump from his
truth social account, rebuild and open Alcatraz all caps. For
too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent, and
repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will never
contribute anything other than misery and suffering. When we were
(20:28):
a more serious nation in times past, we did not
hesitate to lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep
them far away from anyone they could harm. That's the
way it's supposed to be. No longer will we tolerate
these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, and mayhem on
our streets. That is why today I'm directing the Bureau
(20:48):
of Prisons, together with the Department of Justice, FBI, at
Homeland Security Security, to reopen a substantially enlarged and rebuilt
Alcatraz to house America's ruthless and violent offenders. We will
no longer be held hostage to criminals, thugs, and judges
who are afraid to do their job and allow us
to remove criminals who came into our country illegally. The
(21:10):
reopening of Alcatraz will serve as a symbol of law,
order and justice. We will make America great again. Okay,
so do we think that Alcatraz is I feel like
this would take im.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I am behind almost every Trump idea and this is
very funny. I just toured Alcatraz. I have for look,
there are some things that he tosses out that see.
I know he doesn't drink, but this is like Clay
Travis three am at the bar, you know. And we
(21:47):
should open up Alcatraz again too. We should walk violent,
dangerous criminals up Alcatraz.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I just toured it.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Alcatraz would need atal lot, a lot of work in
order to be rehabilitated as a prison. And it isn't
even that big of a prison, so you can't even
fit that many people there, and three.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Hundred people as at its peak right in this steam.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But we're talking about I don't think you could put
people in the jail celles that they put them in
Alcatraz back in the day, like.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You could have. I don't. I've been to take a
tour guide tour guide Clay Tay, Like, what is it
like when you saw this compared to what you thought of?
First of all, we'll talk about the rock in a second.
The Rock is the most famous Alcatraz pop culture content
of all time, no question. Sean Connery, Nicholas Cage, I
think it might be Nicholas Cage's best movie. But okay,
so what was it like when you actually saw it?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So it is mostly run down de Crepit. Right, they
haven't had any prisoners there since nineteen sixty three. It
is not very big. The parts that you can tour,
which is basically the whole thing. The the Geil cells
are tiny, so I don't think that you could in
(23:05):
a modern era put someone inside of those. I also
don't think that they would be anywhere near maximum security
level prison today, right, Like, this is a very old
prison that is in no way kept up with the
historic standards of security that would have existed over the
(23:27):
last sixty years. It is also they used to have
like all the wardens there. In fact, the woman one
of the women who grew up there, I mean they
had a school. It's a very fascinating tour. I would
encourage anybody who is in San Francisco to get on
the boat. It's not very far. It's a gorgeous tour
(23:49):
on the bay. I took my seventeen year old out
there when we were in San Francisco for a couple
of days. But I think it is impossible to learn
into a prison. I think you could. I mean it's
like a mile out, so I mean fifteen twenty minutes
probably on the boat quick. But and you could get
there even quicker if you you know, depending on what
(24:10):
size boat you had.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So it is you know that two people actually escaped
from Alcatraz their bodies though were never found. They were back.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I think it was three because I was just there.
Three guys. They have no idea what Sorry three guys, Yes,
three guys. This is when you just have to guide
Clay to or guide Clay. And also because as everyone does,
you're like, hey, do you think they made it and
they never found their bodies? Do you think they made it,
got to the mainland and just vanished because they never
(24:41):
wanted to be found again, or did they die? You
can swim it. My son did not believe me when
I said I thought I'm not a very good swimmer.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I was about to ask do you think you could
swim it? And how much money would someone have to
pay you. There are very large great white sharks in
the San Francisco Bay, just throwing that well.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
They also do a yearly race, I think Escape from Alcatraz.
I think Riley Gaines from OutKick and does a lot
of Fox News. I think she swam it.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
She was a college swimmer, so she's pretty good. But
I think there are hundreds of people that get in
there and swim. I think I could make it. My
wife said I would drown, h but I think, uh,
thanks thanks Laura. Yeah, I think I could make it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
What I don't know is how the currents work, which
would work against me obviously, Like does it continue to
push you back out?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And or in what direction? Because or backwards? Could you
go to Sace Alito in the other direction, I think?
Or would you just flounder out there for a long time.
It probably doesn't surprise anybody that, even though I'm not
a great swimmer, that I think I could make the swim.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I think, and I.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
This could be a really poor a really poor choice.
I don't think there's actually that many sharks in the bay.
I think they have oversold the shark infested nature of
the bay. Now there are tons of seals, uh and
the seals now come up on Peer thirty two, which
is very cool. But I don't think your odds have
actually getting eaten by a shark would be very high.
(26:10):
I think you would far more likely to drown if
people swim well, the odds are the odds are never high, Clay.
But when you're sucking in some salt water and splashing
through some waves and get a little cold and realize
you've got another like forty minutes of swimming ahead of you,
and it's you know, then all of a sudden you start,
what do those sharks eat? I'm sure they I think
(26:30):
they eat the big fat seals. But there are people
I didn't realize this. There are people every morning that
go down and swim lots of laps in the San
Francisco Bay. I mean they swim all over the place
in every day, year round because they say, you know,
it's like a cold plunge, it toughens them up. And
maybe it does, but I think I could make it.
(26:50):
I think most people would drown. I'm not a great swimmer,
but I've never come close to drowning. I think it
would be like the Little Engine that Could. I would
just keep going and eventually I would make it the land.
I love your confidence.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
One guy who knows something about cold swimming and seals
is our friend Dave Rutherford, former Navy seal, who is
on the Clay and Buck podcast network. You should check
out the Dave Rutherford show. He's He's getting so many
people tuning in and listening every week. It's growing. But
I asked Hi about this because that was always the
thing that bothered me about Now there's a lot of
implausible stuff, but I don't care. I love The Rock.
(27:22):
It's a great movie. But if you've seen it's the
only movie I've ever seen where a seal team comes
in like the cavalry has arrived and they get completely
wiped out. I don't think. I don't think they take
out like a single bad guy too. I asked rud
if he would weigh in on the depiction of the
seals in uh in The Rock, the movie, and he
gave us a talkback play twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Okay, Clay Buck, allow me to jump in on this
rock dispute a little bit and listen. I absolutely love
that movie, I mean Nick Cage and Double O seven,
I mean the prom queen comment one of the funniest.
Absolutely loved it. Uh you know, but here's the deal.
(28:03):
There is no way that master Chief Denny Chalker, a
former plank owner of Sealed Team six or or instructor Hosts,
both of which who were instructors of mine in the
nineties when this thing came out, there is no way
that they would allow that operational fiasco to take place.
It's just not gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Happen right now.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Don't get me wrong. I love my Marine Corps brothers.
I love that they eat crams for a living, But
there is just no way in hell that those cats
would have gotten the jump on a Sealed Team platoon
of that level in that situation.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
It just ain't gonna happen. So it is what it is.
Who Yeah, I'm just saying they're not all you mean,
they're not all gonna one by one slowly crawl into
a like a bathroom with an elevated platform around it
meant for people to ambush them. Yeah, I'm just you know,
let's give a seal some credit here.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I ed Harris's finest role. It's one of Sean Connery.
I know he was James Bond, but Sean Connery is
incredible in that movie, and obviously Nicholas Cage is pretty extraordinary.
I mean I watched it. For those of you out there,
I think it came out in nineteen ninety five ish.
I watched it because it was on paper that smart
(29:21):
move by the San Francisco Hotel, because we came back
from Alcatraz. Back in the hotel room that night, I'm
telling my son, hey, there's a great action movie made
about Alcatraz called The Rock.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He has no idea what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Sit down, start scrolling through the available movies. That night,
at you know, nine o'clock or whatever it was, boom,
The Rock is available for rent. I might be the
only person who's paid fifteen dollars to watch The Rock
in the last decade. But we watched it. He loved it.
My junior in high school had no idea. He was like,
(29:52):
this is so good.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I was like, I thought you would like it. Yeah,
they don't make movies like that anymore. It was a great,
great flick. I really enjoyed it, and if any of
you haven't seen it, certainly I couldn't. I didn't realize
carry had never seen Commando. So you never know. If
any of you haven't seen the rock, it's certainly worth
and it's a great rewatch as well, Like if you've
seen it one hundred times, it's a lot of fun.
But let me let me ask, you know, getting back
(30:13):
to policy in the news here for a second. So
what happens Trump is the president, he tells Bureau of
Prisons to reopen this. What happens now? Like, really, what
happens now? Do they start to try to think about
how they could do this?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
First of all, it would take I bet seven or
eight years to retro fit. So if Trump is not
going to be president, when it would be done, I
don't know. I mean, I think it's a National Park
Service site. Have I presume that the president has executive
authority to change the way that it's classified.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But what would happen? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like if Trump just came out and he was like, hey,
you know, we're going to put a prison at Gettysburg Battlefield,
I don't know. Does the president have the authority to
alter a national historic site? I think it would probably,
Like almost everything Trump tries to do, probably go to
court because I would think the people of San Francisco.
It's one of the most iconic tourist attractions in San Francisco,
(31:12):
and I think they would probably argue that it has
more value to them now as a tourist attraction than
it would as a prison to say nothing of again,
there is you basically would have to raise, tear down
the entire prison structure, and build a brand new prison
in order to be able to hold anybody there.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And the Bureau of Prisons has already been asked about
this and their response is we comply with all presidential orders.
So I mean that is the official Bureau of Bureau
of Prisons response so far as I'm seeing here to
Trump saying this, which which makes sense. He is the
president and he has said do this, So I guess
(31:54):
they're gonna be really, really funny. I don't know how
this is going to play out.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And I can't imagine it being safe to put a
prisoner there because you don't want them to escape. I
can't imagine it being very easy to rehab and put
a prisoner there, So that is interesting in and of itself.
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Speaker 2 (33:41):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Riley Gaines
Ali has confirmed that she made the swim, and I asked, Ali,
do you want to just come in? Is this you
who's been texting with Riley to see whether or not
she thought I would die?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yes? I was messaging her while you guys were talking
talking about it, And what did she say here?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
She did swim it. I was correct, and I remember
seeing that she had posted about swimming it.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
She swam it. Ironically, Buck with Navy seals.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, it wasn't an organized race, but she's swam it
and she's planning on doing it again this July. As
to whether you could make it, she said diplomatically, anything
less than a proficient swimmer probably wouldn't make it. Incredibly cold,
very wavy, big currents.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Clay, I smell a challenge buddy, I smell a challenge.
I think we got to do the Clay Travis Annual
Cold Plunge. Here we raise money for charity. You know,
maybe we get like krock of coffee to sponsor it.
I like where we're going with. She also I will
wait for you on shore with a hot cup of tea.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Riley also added that she's not scared of sharks, and
she had a pod of dolphins swimming beside her, which
was an indicator the sharks would stay away.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I feel, well, why is that? But the dolphins will
chase away the sharks. Yeah, dolphins will. Dolphins will mess
up sharks generally speaking, especially even a great white. The
way I see this going, buck is either I'll be
eaten by a shark, or I'll drown, or I'll have
to get rescued by one of the mayor maybe seals,
which would immediately go megaviral me getting dragged out of
(35:17):
the water near death. I probably hypo thermia too. I
do feel like I could do it. I'm not a
very good swimmer, I don't. I mean, would you'd be
a breaststroke guy?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean that's what you mean with like, oh, certainly,
I think that I walked into that one. I mean,
come on, I I don't think I don't even know
what a proficient swimmer would be, Like, what does that mean?
Because she's a college swimmer, Like, proficient swimmer meaning you
(35:48):
could swim, probably.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
A better swimmer than she guesses you are. She was
trying to be nice.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I think I'm I think I would make it
because I think I have the indomitable will of a
swim champion, but I do not have the skills of
an elite swim champion. But I think I would just
refuse to stop. I think I would just keep going
and eventually I would find the land. Now, my one
concern here, in addition to the sharks and the drowning
(36:15):
is the current. Are are you getting constantly pushed back
in order and just kind of floundering and not making
any progress? That would be my concern is like that
it's really hard to cut through the current. Well, I
was gonna say, I just you know, Clay, I'll make
sure that when we do this annual Clay Alcatraz Swim,
(36:37):
I'll be back at the San Francisco Hotel in the
hot tub, you know, and I'll be checking my phone.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
For updates on You'll.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Be like Sean Connery, if you remember, went to the
I think the Fountain Blue, whatever, the fanciest hotel was
in San Francisco. That's where he made him take him
when they bailed him out of jail.
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off now Senco Cinco de Mayo edition.
I don't speak Spanish very well, sorry, Sinco de Mayo
and play we could all take a moment to commemorate
(00:20):
the victory over the Second French Empire at the Battle
of Puebla in eighteen sixty two. I remember it like
it was yesterday. So this really has just become a
holiday that Americans have appropriated so that we can have
an excuse to drink a lot of servesa and margarito's.
(00:40):
Because Mexicans don't care about this holiday very much, this
has become an American thing. We love Cinco de Mayo
for the excuse that it gives us to eat delicious food.
Maybe where some festive attire sombreros. I want as many
people to culturally appropriate to as possible. I want you
(01:02):
to post comfortably on your social media accounts if you
have a sombrero hat, if you potentially have a Mexican
mustache that you would like to pose with as well.
We would like to honor all of our good friends
in Mexico with the best thing that America does, which
is take the best things from the world and make
them better. Do you agree with my somewhat controversial tweet
(01:23):
that just came to me this morning that burrito's somewhat overrated,
but taqitos, which is a deep fried taco, underrated.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So it does not surprise me that you would even
have elite and high end Mexican food taste, which the burrito.
I know because the advertisements run all the time with
Eva Longoria's podcast advertisement, I understand where the burrito came from.
I actually am a casadea fan. I think the casadilla
(01:56):
is the peak Mexican dish.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I know some of you are going to argue fijidas, well,
a lot of work and it's always you know, like sizzling,
and then you have to move things around and complicated.
I like the casadia everything rolled together. And I'll even
specify used to be a chicken casadia guy, now all
in on shrimp cas ideas, which probably is a little
(02:18):
bit healthier.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You know, I'm just gonna say I would usually like
to make fun of your taste by saying, of course
you like the Mexican version of the grilled cheese. However,
when it comes to fijidas. I've had bad fijidas I
have Sometimes the steak is too chewy, sometimes the chicken
is way too dry. I've never had a bad casadia.
I will just say it's.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Hard to screw casandias are up there with like cheeseburgers,
chicken fingers, pizza.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
If you screw it up.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And I mean this is why kids like a lot
of times kids go with the cheesecasadia because they don't
want anything else on it, and it basically is even
closer to a grilled cheese. Then it's just really hard
to screw up a casadia if you've got to make
a choice.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Now, just saying for everybody sinco to my enjoy however
you celebrate, and we could get into some of the
discussion about cultural appropriation later. First of all, it's an
idiotic term. Second of all, I think that that as
a notion is rapidly fading away. And I have to say,
I wonder if we're even going to see the controversy
(03:19):
this fall over children wearing like a Pocahontas Halloween costume.
Is this stuff finally going to go back to normalcy
where people don't act over overreact and become hyper sensitive. Anyway,
discussions for later in the show or perhaps another day.
Let's give you what we got on the news here,
because I know that's the first and foremost reason why
you come and hang with us. That and Clay's culinary
(03:41):
takes sit down with Trump, where he covered a lot
of ground on Meet the Press, talks about the border,
talks about the Trump third term. We are going to
dive into that. Trump also with some scorching truths which
I always think of as tweets, but truth social postings
over the weekend, one on Judges, and he's almost verbatim
(04:03):
Clay copying what we've said so many times in the show,
which is, if Democrats can kick the border wide open
and we can't deport anybody in any meaningful numbers, including
people that have been here for a year, two years,
you know, three years. If we can't do that, the
country is essentially over because the Democrats are just going
to flood the country to the point where there's no
longer sovereignty and the rule of law has just become
(04:24):
a joke. Well, we'll get into that a lot of attention,
and we will spend some time on Trump's truth about
reopening Alcatraz as a prison. It's already open, Clay, You've
been right.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So I was just there like a month ago, remember,
because that's when I watched the great film The Rock
with my junior in high school. We were out in
San Francisco. We toured Alcatraz. We'll get into The Rock
in a little bit, but yet, I know my friend.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
David Rutherford Ago Dave Rutherford, who is a former Navy Seal,
has sent us a talkback about this little controversy in
that movie because the Seals just get wiped out by
the Marines. I'm sure the Marines all laugh about this
one and they're like, hah, look at the Seals. But
the Seals did not have a good showing in The Rock,
which is the most absurd movie any of us I
think have ever. I loved it, though I'm not entertaining.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I'm not going in with a historical accuracy or the
analysis of the gun battles, which I'm sure the Seals
are not happy about. I think the idea of a
group of Navy Seals deciding to take over chemical weapons
sorry if you spoiler alert here, deciding to steal chemical
weapons and takeover and island, the Marines.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Who steal it. The Seals try to take the island back.
So the Seals are the good guys in this movie. Sorry,
the Marines, that's right, Clay, Sorry, sorry, my bad. They
got the Seals get wiped out, yeah by the marine
fast spoiler alert. Yeah, because we're used to this. Usually
when the Seals appear in the movie, it's like the
cavalry arrives. You're not used to the Seals getting all
wiped out without taking out a single bad guy. So
(05:56):
that's the one part of The Rock Man. So anyway,
Dave is a former Seal, he'll weigh in. We'll have
some fun on that. I do it. By the way,
this is not a Grumpy Buck moment. I do think
The Rock is a great watch. It is just absolutely
preposterous top to bottom and is kind of a stealth
James Bond movie too because of the Sean Connery thing.
But we shall discuss that. We got a lot more
to dive into when we've your talkbacks and emails from
(06:17):
over the weekend. But let's let's get into the Trump
situation here. Let's get into what happened in this interview
with First of all, this is we have to keep
reminding everybody because if nothing else happened Clay in the
first year of a Trump presidency, then completely securing the
border to the point where everyone has to agree it's secured,
(06:39):
you would think, wow, that's a really that's a really
big win for the administration. The only issue that I
have with this, or the only problem I can foresee,
is that he secured the border so quickly that it's
now turned into Okay, what's next. Which, yes, that's a
high class problem, you could say. But it's amazing what
they've been able to do. And even Welker has to
(07:01):
admit this. This is cut one about border crossings. Play
this border crossings are at their lowest level ever recorded.
Is the border? Is the border now secure?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's really secure?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Because when you say that, doesn't it just sound good
after being abused for years by an incompetent president that
allowed people to pour through an open border, criminals from
all over the world, murders and insane people from mental
institutions and insane asanum's. Isn't it a beautiful thing when
you say it's the most secure it's ever been in
(07:37):
the history of our country. Isn't that a nice statement.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It is a nice and I actually think that we
have to keep hammering that home because I think it's
indicative that you have to trust Trump on economic and
tax policy and other immigration policy choices. Because everything that
(08:01):
he said he would do at the border, he did it,
and he did it in the first month, and Democrats said, basically,
this was impossible. And it is an incredible accomplishment to
have the most secure border that we've ever had in
the history of our nation. And so I don't think
we can overlook that as there are other battles that
are intensely underway right now, and I think, I mean,
(08:22):
I know, we talked about the stock market for several
weeks back in April. You know, the stock market is
now higher than it was at the beginning of April.
That's the S and P five hundred, the Dow, and
the Nasdaq. And if you were just calm and you
either bought more or you just put your four to
oh one k off to the side and didn't look
at it, you're doing very well. Unfortunately, I know that
(08:46):
a lot of people bought high and sold low because
you let your emotions get the better of you. But
were potentially, we'll see how it goes today, Buck, I
think it would be ten straight days, which is a
record for the last twenty years of stock market going up.
And we're basically back to where we were on election day.
(09:07):
So if you didn't feel incredibly poor on election day,
and I hope a lot of you did not, then
the stock market goes up and down. But six months
later we're basically at the exact same place as we
were then, and I think that's significant and why I
hope that you stood strong and didn't bail and turn
into what did pankin? What did Trump call it? Don't
(09:30):
be a pankin? Yes, don't be a panikin. Yes, he's
good with the words. Trump bigly, bigly talented when it
comes to words. We have a new tariff that got
discussed though in this interview. This is getting a lot
of attention. I think it was cover the Wall Street
Journal online today or at least on the front page,
if you will, about the movie industry in this country.
And Clay Trump has appointed as special ambassadors to Hollywood
(09:55):
Mel Gibson, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And John Voight. And there is a big problem with
Hollywood right now. People who Rob Low did a podcast.
I'm a Rob Low fan. Rob Low did a podcast,
I said, quite a career, long, long time, and they
were talking about how expensive it is to try to
make any movie in Hollywood right now, and it's insane,
(10:20):
but it's actually a really good microcosm. People might say, oh,
this is what's actually a huge business, but I might say,
this is just one industry, and okay, but what's going
on when you can't make movies in America anymore. We're
the place that makes all the movies, but we have
to make them in other countries. I think that this
is important because it shows what we're dealing with here
(10:40):
with stupid policy, with unnecessary regulation and costs. So Trump
says they're going to be tariffs now on movies that
are not made here. Play two the Lovely Parish.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
What they've done is other nations have been stealing the movies.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
The movie making capa Villa is from the United States.
And I said to a couple of people.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I've just a very strong research over to the last league,
and we're making very few movies now Hollywood and things destroyed.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Now you have an in confident.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Trustly and confident governor that allow that to happen. So
I'm not just blaming other nations, but other nations, a
lot of them have stolen our movie industry. And I'm
saying if they're not.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Willing to make a movie inside the United States, and
we should have a tariff when movies that come in.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And not only that, governments are actually giving big money.
I mean they're supporting.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Them for that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So that's sort of all right to play here. Let's
the audio is not great there, but you hear Trump
saying more or less saying, look, it's too expensive. On
that Rob Low podcast that I mentioned, he said that
I think it was for a lot of productions. Even
if there was an open lot in Hollywood, the actual
movie lot that no one is using, it is cheaper
to fly the entire cast to Budapest and make the
(11:58):
movie in Hungary's American production companies.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I mean, this is a reality and Hollywood and
I actually think Trump, some of you probably are going
to think this too, may be too kind right here
and what he's doing because la is not exactly Trump
Country and Hollywood isn't either, But I think it's emblematic
of staying committed to principle over the politics here. Hollywood
(12:25):
and America in general is being hollowed out now. Partly
that's because of the cost, to your point, Buck, that
Gavin Newsom has put to bear on production there. I know,
I worked on a Hollywood studio, well, a LA studio
on the Fox Lot. I've spent months and months, if
not years, of my life doing shows that are originating
(12:49):
from LA, sometimes here locally in Nashville, but other times
on the lot itself. And there has been a tremendous decline.
I think the number in the New York Times I
was reading about it is something like thirty percent of
all Hollywood productions have vanished in the last couple of years.
And they're now going elsewhere. And there's a lot of
people struggling that used to work. And I'll point this
(13:10):
out the people Buck, and you've you might heard Adam
Carolla telling us this.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I found it to be true. The guys and.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Gals who build the sets and walk around with the
cameras and do the physically laborious jobs of making movies
and television, actually a lot of them vote Republican. Because
they would come up to me and they'd be like, dude,
I agree with everything you're saying. They'd say it quietly.
You know a lot of times the people in front
of the cameras don't, but the people behind the scenes,
these people are really hard working, physical laborers oftentimes, and
(13:41):
many of them are Trump people.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You know, my wife yesterday was tending to our baby,
little Speed, and we're flipping through because she, you know,
she's got a lot of baby chores to take care
of it. I try to help out, so I'm there
with her and we're in kind of that mode where
we're all taking a beat with the baby. We're trying
to find something on TV. We're flipping through and we
get to the Schwarzenegger classic Commando, which he had never seen,
(14:07):
and we proceeded to dive into have you ever seen Commando? Oh?
Of course up there with the rock. In terms of
great movie, absolutely preposterous and makes no sense in any
but doesn't matter. Doesn't matter, still a great movie. But
it's the whole thing. You can tell it's shot in
the in like the either the Hollywood Hills or probably
in the valley somewhere. I mean, it's shot right in
(14:28):
the vicinity of la You can just see the topography
and the cars all have LA license plates on and
everything else, And it's just funny because that used to
be the standard. So many of the movies we grew
up with were all filmed in and around southern California
because that's where Hollywood was, right. So you just you
hired a camera crew, you went to a place that
And what we've seen now is they're all making movies
(14:52):
in Vancouver. Why are you going to make movies in Vancouver?
So I don't think what Trump is doing is crazy,
But beyond that, I think people recognize that bad policy
and bad decision making by people like Gavin Newsom have
really made it hard for one of the great American industries,
which is true of the movie industry. It is one
of the great. We are totally dominant in movies and
(15:14):
we should continue to be. All right, we'll come back
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are so important. We'll also have fun with the Alcatraz discussion,
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See the representative for warranty details. All right, welcome back
into Clay and Buck. So we're talking here about some
of the big moves from Trump over the weekend. He
sat down with NBC News ABC which one I don't know,
and Christen Welker, which one is she with NBC?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
NBC She was actually, remember one of the unfair moderators,
which goes back to Trump's willingness to talk to anybody
like the.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Fair, the old ambush stuff about like well what about
January sixth, and you're a fascist in stolen election and
no one cares, No one wants to hear it anymore.
So they're out of the they're out of the usual tactics,
and so they have to say, Okay, I mean, I
guess you secured the border, but like, what about a
Brego Garcia. I mean, they're just they're really scraping the
(19:41):
bottom of the attack barrel.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The New York Times Buck had like a six thousand
word piece on a Breo Garcia on the front on
the front page of the Sunday New York Times, and
I could not even hardly read more than a couple
of paragraphs, But given all of the revelations about him,
I'm surprised that they have continued to try and make
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him a victim.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So let's discuss another big moment from Trump from his
truth social account, rebuild and open Alcatraz all caps. For
too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent, and
repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will never
contribute anything other than misery and suffering. When we were
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a more serious nation in times past, we did not
hesitate to lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep
them far away from anyone they could harm. That's the
way it's supposed to be. No longer will we tolerate
these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, and mayhem on
our streets. That is why today I'm directing the Bureau
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of Prisons, together with the Department of Justice, FBI, at
Homeland Security Security, to reopen a substantially enlarged and rebuilt
Alcatraz to house America's ruthless and violent offenders. We will
no longer be held hostage to criminals, thugs, and judges
who are afraid to do their job and allow us
to remove criminals who came into our country illegally. The
(21:10):
reopening of Alcatraz will serve as a symbol of law,
order and justice. We will make America great again. Okay,
so do we think that Alcatraz is I feel like
this would take im.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I am behind almost every Trump idea and this is
very funny. I just toured Alcatraz. I have for look,
there are some things that he tosses out that see.
I know he doesn't drink, but this is like Clay
Travis three am at the bar, you know. And we
(21:47):
should open up Alcatraz again too. We should walk violent,
dangerous criminals up Alcatraz.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I just toured it.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Alcatraz would need atal lot, a lot of work in
order to be rehabilitated as a prison. And it isn't
even that big of a prison, so you can't even
fit that many people there, and three.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Hundred people as at its peak right in this steam.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But we're talking about I don't think you could put
people in the jail celles that they put them in
Alcatraz back in the day, like.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You could have. I don't. I've been to take a
tour guide tour guide Clay Tay, Like, what is it
like when you saw this compared to what you thought of?
First of all, we'll talk about the rock in a second.
The Rock is the most famous Alcatraz pop culture content
of all time, no question. Sean Connery, Nicholas Cage, I
think it might be Nicholas Cage's best movie. But okay,
so what was it like when you actually saw it?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So it is mostly run down de Crepit. Right, they
haven't had any prisoners there since nineteen sixty three. It
is not very big. The parts that you can tour,
which is basically the whole thing. The the Geil cells
are tiny, so I don't think that you could in
(23:05):
a modern era put someone inside of those. I also
don't think that they would be anywhere near maximum security
level prison today, right, Like, this is a very old
prison that is in no way kept up with the
historic standards of security that would have existed over the
(23:27):
last sixty years. It is also they used to have
like all the wardens there. In fact, the woman one
of the women who grew up there, I mean they
had a school. It's a very fascinating tour. I would
encourage anybody who is in San Francisco to get on
the boat. It's not very far. It's a gorgeous tour
(23:49):
on the bay. I took my seventeen year old out
there when we were in San Francisco for a couple
of days. But I think it is impossible to learn
into a prison. I think you could. I mean it's
like a mile out, so I mean fifteen twenty minutes
probably on the boat quick. But and you could get
there even quicker if you you know, depending on what
(24:10):
size boat you had.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So it is you know that two people actually escaped
from Alcatraz their bodies though were never found. They were back.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I think it was three because I was just there.
Three guys. They have no idea what Sorry three guys, Yes,
three guys. This is when you just have to guide
Clay to or guide Clay. And also because as everyone does,
you're like, hey, do you think they made it and
they never found their bodies? Do you think they made it,
got to the mainland and just vanished because they never
(24:41):
wanted to be found again, or did they die? You
can swim it. My son did not believe me when
I said I thought I'm not a very good swimmer.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I was about to ask do you think you could
swim it? And how much money would someone have to
pay you. There are very large great white sharks in
the San Francisco Bay, just throwing that well.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
They also do a yearly race, I think Escape from Alcatraz.
I think Riley Gaines from OutKick and does a lot
of Fox News. I think she swam it.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
She was a college swimmer, so she's pretty good. But
I think there are hundreds of people that get in
there and swim. I think I could make it. My
wife said I would drown, h but I think, uh,
thanks thanks Laura. Yeah, I think I could make it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
What I don't know is how the currents work, which
would work against me obviously, Like does it continue to
push you back out?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And or in what direction? Because or backwards? Could you
go to Sace Alito in the other direction, I think?
Or would you just flounder out there for a long time.
It probably doesn't surprise anybody that, even though I'm not
a great swimmer, that I think I could make the swim.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I think, and I.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
This could be a really poor a really poor choice.
I don't think there's actually that many sharks in the bay.
I think they have oversold the shark infested nature of
the bay. Now there are tons of seals, uh and
the seals now come up on Peer thirty two, which
is very cool. But I don't think your odds have
actually getting eaten by a shark would be very high.
(26:10):
I think you would far more likely to drown if
people swim well, the odds are the odds are never high, Clay.
But when you're sucking in some salt water and splashing
through some waves and get a little cold and realize
you've got another like forty minutes of swimming ahead of you,
and it's you know, then all of a sudden you start,
what do those sharks eat? I'm sure they I think
(26:30):
they eat the big fat seals. But there are people
I didn't realize this. There are people every morning that
go down and swim lots of laps in the San
Francisco Bay. I mean they swim all over the place
in every day, year round because they say, you know,
it's like a cold plunge, it toughens them up. And
maybe it does, but I think I could make it.
(26:50):
I think most people would drown. I'm not a great swimmer,
but I've never come close to drowning. I think it
would be like the Little Engine that Could. I would
just keep going and eventually I would make it the land.
I love your confidence.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
One guy who knows something about cold swimming and seals
is our friend Dave Rutherford, former Navy seal, who is
on the Clay and Buck podcast network. You should check
out the Dave Rutherford show. He's He's getting so many
people tuning in and listening every week. It's growing. But
I asked Hi about this because that was always the
thing that bothered me about Now there's a lot of
implausible stuff, but I don't care. I love The Rock.
(27:22):
It's a great movie. But if you've seen it's the
only movie I've ever seen where a seal team comes
in like the cavalry has arrived and they get completely
wiped out. I don't think. I don't think they take
out like a single bad guy too. I asked rud
if he would weigh in on the depiction of the
seals in uh in The Rock, the movie, and he
gave us a talkback play twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Okay, Clay Buck, allow me to jump in on this
rock dispute a little bit and listen. I absolutely love
that movie, I mean Nick Cage and Double O seven,
I mean the prom queen comment one of the funniest.
Absolutely loved it. Uh you know, but here's the deal.
(28:03):
There is no way that master Chief Denny Chalker, a
former plank owner of Sealed Team six or or instructor Hosts,
both of which who were instructors of mine in the
nineties when this thing came out, there is no way
that they would allow that operational fiasco to take place.
It's just not gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Happen right now.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Don't get me wrong. I love my Marine Corps brothers.
I love that they eat crams for a living, But
there is just no way in hell that those cats
would have gotten the jump on a Sealed Team platoon
of that level in that situation.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
It just ain't gonna happen. So it is what it is.
Who Yeah, I'm just saying they're not all you mean,
they're not all gonna one by one slowly crawl into
a like a bathroom with an elevated platform around it
meant for people to ambush them. Yeah, I'm just you know,
let's give a seal some credit here.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I ed Harris's finest role. It's one of Sean Connery.
I know he was James Bond, but Sean Connery is
incredible in that movie, and obviously Nicholas Cage is pretty extraordinary.
I mean I watched it. For those of you out there,
I think it came out in nineteen ninety five ish.
I watched it because it was on paper that smart
(29:21):
move by the San Francisco Hotel, because we came back
from Alcatraz. Back in the hotel room that night, I'm
telling my son, hey, there's a great action movie made
about Alcatraz called The Rock.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He has no idea what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Sit down, start scrolling through the available movies. That night,
at you know, nine o'clock or whatever it was, boom,
The Rock is available for rent. I might be the
only person who's paid fifteen dollars to watch The Rock
in the last decade. But we watched it. He loved it.
My junior in high school had no idea. He was like,
(29:52):
this is so good.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I was like, I thought you would like it. Yeah,
they don't make movies like that anymore. It was a great,
great flick. I really enjoyed it, and if any of
you haven't seen it, certainly I couldn't. I didn't realize
carry had never seen Commando. So you never know. If
any of you haven't seen the rock, it's certainly worth
and it's a great rewatch as well, Like if you've
seen it one hundred times, it's a lot of fun.
But let me let me ask, you know, getting back
(30:13):
to policy in the news here for a second. So
what happens Trump is the president, he tells Bureau of
Prisons to reopen this. What happens now? Like, really, what
happens now? Do they start to try to think about
how they could do this?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
First of all, it would take I bet seven or
eight years to retro fit. So if Trump is not
going to be president, when it would be done, I
don't know. I mean, I think it's a National Park
Service site. Have I presume that the president has executive
authority to change the way that it's classified.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But what would happen? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like if Trump just came out and he was like, hey,
you know, we're going to put a prison at Gettysburg Battlefield,
I don't know. Does the president have the authority to
alter a national historic site? I think it would probably,
Like almost everything Trump tries to do, probably go to
court because I would think the people of San Francisco.
It's one of the most iconic tourist attractions in San Francisco,
(31:12):
and I think they would probably argue that it has
more value to them now as a tourist attraction than
it would as a prison to say nothing of again,
there is you basically would have to raise, tear down
the entire prison structure, and build a brand new prison
in order to be able to hold anybody there.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And the Bureau of Prisons has already been asked about
this and their response is we comply with all presidential orders.
So I mean that is the official Bureau of Bureau
of Prisons response so far as I'm seeing here to
Trump saying this, which which makes sense. He is the
president and he has said do this, So I guess
(31:54):
they're gonna be really, really funny. I don't know how
this is going to play out.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And I can't imagine it being safe to put a
prisoner there because you don't want them to escape. I
can't imagine it being very easy to rehab and put
a prisoner there, So that is interesting in and of itself.
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Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Riley Gaines
Ali has confirmed that she made the swim, and I asked, Ali,
do you want to just come in? Is this you
who's been texting with Riley to see whether or not
she thought I would die?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yes? I was messaging her while you guys were talking
talking about it, And what did she say here?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
She did swim it. I was correct, and I remember
seeing that she had posted about swimming it.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
She swam it. Ironically, Buck with Navy seals.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, it wasn't an organized race, but she's swam it
and she's planning on doing it again this July. As
to whether you could make it, she said diplomatically, anything
less than a proficient swimmer probably wouldn't make it. Incredibly cold,
very wavy, big currents.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Clay, I smell a challenge buddy, I smell a challenge.
I think we got to do the Clay Travis Annual
Cold Plunge. Here we raise money for charity. You know,
maybe we get like krock of coffee to sponsor it.
I like where we're going with. She also I will
wait for you on shore with a hot cup of tea.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Riley also added that she's not scared of sharks, and
she had a pod of dolphins swimming beside her, which
was an indicator the sharks would stay away.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I feel, well, why is that? But the dolphins will
chase away the sharks. Yeah, dolphins will. Dolphins will mess
up sharks generally speaking, especially even a great white. The
way I see this going, buck is either I'll be
eaten by a shark, or I'll drown, or I'll have
to get rescued by one of the mayor maybe seals,
which would immediately go megaviral me getting dragged out of
(35:17):
the water near death. I probably hypo thermia too. I
do feel like I could do it. I'm not a
very good swimmer, I don't. I mean, would you'd be
a breaststroke guy?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean that's what you mean with like, oh, certainly,
I think that I walked into that one. I mean,
come on, I I don't think I don't even know
what a proficient swimmer would be, Like, what does that mean?
Because she's a college swimmer, Like, proficient swimmer meaning you
(35:48):
could swim, probably.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
A better swimmer than she guesses you are. She was
trying to be nice.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I think I'm I think I would make it
because I think I have the indomitable will of a
swim champion, but I do not have the skills of
an elite swim champion. But I think I would just
refuse to stop. I think I would just keep going
and eventually I would find the land. Now, my one
concern here, in addition to the sharks and the drowning
(36:15):
is the current. Are are you getting constantly pushed back
in order and just kind of floundering and not making
any progress? That would be my concern is like that
it's really hard to cut through the current. Well, I
was gonna say, I just you know, Clay, I'll make
sure that when we do this annual Clay Alcatraz Swim,
(36:37):
I'll be back at the San Francisco Hotel in the
hot tub, you know, and I'll be checking my phone.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
For updates on You'll.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Be like Sean Connery, if you remember, went to the
I think the Fountain Blue, whatever, the fanciest hotel was
in San Francisco. That's where he made him take him
when they bailed him out of jail.
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