April 24, 2023 • 37 mins
Clay and Buck host from 92.5 WFSX in Fort Myers, Florida, as they promised they would celebrating the build-back in the region. Tucker Carlson out at Fox News. Harris Faulkner announces Tucker news on Fox. CNN fires Don Lemon. Bloody Monday in media: C&B digest the news on Carlson, who they both praise, and Lemon. Callers angrily weigh in on the Tucker Carlson news.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We
are live in Fort Myers, Naples area from our radio
affiliate here ninety two five. They were flooded during the hurricane,
and we said we would come down here, draw attention
and help out as best we can. We have got
an event live tonight in Naples where we will be
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with hundreds of you guys and hopefully helped to raise
a little bit of money and continued awareness. Here we
are inside of the studios that many of you may
have seen that were completely flooded. They have they are
in the process of rebuilding here in Fort Myers. Again,
appreciate all of you listening on ninety two five in
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the southwest Florida area. Okay, major breaking news that just
happened about a half hour ago on Twitter, and many
of you have certainly.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Not seen this news.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I don't think we ever decided buck on the
official breaking news sounder that we would have on the program,
But I want to make sure that I get this right,
so I'm reading. We'll read the full press release here
just momentarily because we don't know a lot of details.
Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News. Friday will be
(01:28):
the final show that he ever does. Buck, I was
on that show Friday. I was not in any way
knowledgeable about this. It was a totally normal Friday edition
of the program. And in the last thirty minutes they
have officially announced it. They also announced it on Harris
(01:55):
Faulkner's show as well. Now Here is the official statement.
I want to read it, and then obviously eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Two eight two two eight eight two, could I just yeah,
we are in shock here.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, just so everybody understands, like, we had no idea,
and Clay read the statement and we'll tell everybody what
we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways.
This is a statement that was just released in the
last half hour or so. We thank him for his
service to the network as a host and prior to that,
as a contributor. Mister Carlson's last program was Friday, April
twenty first. Fox News Tonight will air live at eight
(02:37):
pm Eastern, starting this evening as an interim show helmed
by rotating Fox News personalities until a new host is named,
and that is basically the full statement that is out
so far. Buck, We've been trying to monitor Twitter certainly. Look,
I'm a Fox News employee. I was on the final
show for Tucker Carlson Friday, as I just told all
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of you, some of you may have seen it. No
suggestion that Tucker was completing his tenure at Fox News.
That was on Friday. I was just on Fox News
an hour ago on America Reports with Bill Hammer Dana Perino,
no idea this was happening, Buck.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So let's let just walked into the student in and
you just you know other things we are going to
talk about today.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Just give you a sense of the things that we
had lined up.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Eric Adams says the migrant crisis is destroying New York City, DC,
requiring vaccine for kids to return to schools, a lot
of things. Yeah, on the radar, Gavin Newsom calls in
the California National Guard to help combat San Francisco's ongoing
phemol crisis.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And we will get to all of this.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But we just came in here and I actually thought
it was and I was told to admit this. I
thought the tweet that I saw on this was disinformation,
Like I thought this.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Someone may got hacked, I mean, which doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe that this had happened.
And there's a lot of theories. Here's what we know
right now. First of all, I won't speak for Clay.
I let Clay say, you know, his own piece on Tucker.
I think Tucker is a phenomenal talent and did a
great show and stepped into he you know, I think
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we have a little bit of you know, we know
what is it to step into the shoes of the
greatest who's been in the medium. Yes, Bill O'Reilly had
the biggest show on cable news for twenty years. Bill
O'Reilly and TV was the closest thing to rush on
talk radio in terms of the number one guy, the
biggest and the best. And Tucker came in and did,
by the ratings, a phenomenal job, right, he was doing
a great show. And you know, look, I'll say this,
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my wife worked for Tucker at one point as a
brucer on his show. And he's a really good guy.
He's a good person, a good human being. And I
sit here and I'm just I just can't imagine. I mean,
this is one of those moments where I had assumed
that Tucker's voice was going to be one of those
weighing in alongside alongside ours and others, and this going
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into this male stream of an election, and we're just
getting getting used to the reality that, you know, he
may go do other projects, but he's not going to
be the guy at eight pm every night, the ten
poll at eight pm over at Fox News. We don't
have any more insight to this and to the you
know Clay and I know a lot of people in business, Clay's.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Obviously a Fox employee.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'd say this talker gave the Heritage Found a Foundation
gala address Friday night. Yeah, didn't get to say goodbye.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Now, I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Have any inside information yet into what happened here. We're
putting out our source, our feelers and talking to people.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But Clay didn't get to say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Does seem to indicate that this decision might have been
made over the weekend?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
One hundred percent it was made over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So again, I was on his show Friday, buck totally
normal show. I was with his staff in the in
the building Fox News Building on on Friday afternoon. No
one had any clue that this was happening. And frankly,
I mean to your point, Tucker had an address that
he was doing at the Heritage Foundation. They had their
big gala event over the weekend. But I know for
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a fact that if Tucker had known that Friday was
is going to be his final show, now what exactly happened.
Let's say this too. Tucker is such a talented media person.
I have been in a situation where I went out
without kicks, started my own media brand. Tucker already started
The Daily Caller and sold it several years ago. I
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imagine made a good living on that. He has the
ability to spin out and do his own media ecosystem
that would surround him and it would be wildly successful
and wildly profitable at launch. So I don't imagine that
Tucker's voice is going to really be curtailed, But the
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impact to Fox News, I would think. I mean, if
you were going to say, I think this is fair buck,
which person is sort of the tip of the spear
of the Fox News.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Brand right now? I would say it was Tucker.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Now, Sean Hannity has been wildly successful for thirty years,
I would say he's right there too. But in terms
of the driving force of attention, of attack of just
sort of the media colossus right now at Fox News,
I would say that it's Tucker. And certainly ratings reflect
nobody had a more watched nightly news program than Tucker
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Carlson on cable for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And there's a look the theories that are out there
right now, and they are theories, and if we knew,
we would tell you, or even I should say, if
we had a greater degree of certainty right now, because
here here's the thing you might be saying.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
To yourself, Oh, well, you know Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
You know they know Tucker and they like him, and
so is this as big of a I think anybody
who watches Fox News understands how big a deal this is.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, but it's also.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A bigger deal within the media ecosystem going into it.
It's going to be a very contentious election. AOC over
the weekend said, you know, Tucker does incitement. She probably
said literally, but incitement to violence with what he says
on his show. They've been trying to take him down
for a long time. So I'm just going to say
(08:16):
this when when a name like Tucker gets taken off
of his of his perch, gets taken off of his platform,
it makes all the rest of us start to think, Okay,
who else are they coming for?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Now?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Where you know what?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Other not just heads may roll, but but big changes
could be made in the ecosystem of what we're allowed
to have conversations about. I mean, folks, we talked about
it on the show Fox loss in basically, I know
they paid a settlement in advance, but they paid an
almost eight hundred million dollar lawsuit, and there are other
lawsuits pending. This law fair against conservative media has had
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a blitzkrek victory in its first outing. There could be
other efforts right there could there are other lawsuits pending
right now we know, and not just against Fox by
the way, So you want to know how they can
drag old man Biden across the finish line, even though
it's a joke and it's preposterous and an insult to
the country that he's been president as long as he
has been shut down all the dissenting voices kick them
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off of their platforms.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So a couple of other things. Fox Stock basically did
not budge on news of the dominion settlement, we talked
about this seven hundred and eighty million, whatever the dollar
figure was.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Stock didn't move.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Right now, as we are speaking to you, the Fox
stock has dropped around four percent.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm looking at it live. It is down.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Let's see a dollar thirty seven. Literally as we speak.
The only news that's been out at Fox at all
is Tucker Carlson leaving. So that is kind of a
representation of what the value is in the stock market,
at least in the short term associated with Tucker Carlson.
Now it reminds me a little bit buck of succession.
(09:58):
And again some people got mad at me for the
spoiler alerts. But when the Logan Roy character spoiler spoiler spoiler,
turn it down if you're trying to catch up when
he passes this season, there is a moment where one
of his children on the program holds up the phone
and shows as the news is breaking, says, there's dad.
(10:18):
And you can see the impact of the Logan Roy
death on the stock price of Wastetar, the company that
is in succession. Right, So Tucker Carlson is not dead,
but his show is no longer going to exist, and
there is an immediate reaction in the stock market to
Tucker Carlson having completed his last show on Friday. Now, Oftentimes,
and I will say oftentimes, there is a rush to
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get the story out, so I read to you the
pr statement that is out. Tucker obviously has many allies.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
In the media.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
At some point he will decide, I would imagine, to
tell his story of what happened now.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe he doesn't, Maybe he's getting paid out under his
five contract.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm just tossing it out as a lawyer who's been
involved in cases like these before, so maybe he won't
get into the particulars of why he's leaving. All I
would say is from a pure business perspective, right strip
away all the emotion everything else. The value of Tucker
carlson media brand is massive, and my inclination would be
that his voice is not going to get less powerful,
(11:23):
if anything, if he is going out to join a
new media company or found a new media company, as
he's already done before. The people who are massive Tucker
Carlson fans, and I know that's many of you who
are listening to us right now, are going to be
able to find him no matter where he is.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean, you guys all get this sense right.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Game respects game, and we both here have a lot
of respect for not everybody on the right. You know,
people have their places and their positions, and they have
their audiences. Not everybody is as talented as everybody else.
Tucker is a super talented guy. He is at the
peak of the ability to do this format and do
these do these kinds of monologues and cover the topics.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I mean, I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I remember in the early part of COVID going into
the b l M riots. Do you remember those those
monos that Tucker was doing when the streets were just
overrun with lunacy and anarchy and destruction, and it was
a voice of sanity calling it out and showing us
exactly what was going on.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
When there was kind of a moment where a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Of people in the right were, oh, I don't want
to I don't want to criticize BLM.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I mean, look what happens. And he stood strong on
that one.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So we sit here and friends, this affects the way forward.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
This this overall.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Reality of Tucker Carlson being out, the lawsuit against Fox,
the other lawsuits that are pending, against individuals, not even
just a massive corporation like Fox. The charges they're bringing
against Donald Trump multiple cases in the background, one already
taken to indictment phase. They're going to do everything they
can to try to shift the battlefield in their favor,
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using the most underhanded.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Legal tricks imaginable. I'm not so by the way, this
may have been entirely.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
A Fox decision, but it's a decision that it's hard
to separate what's going on here with dominion from at
least the mentality inside the Fox News building Like that,
you have to think that this has an impact on
I mean, nobody pays almost a billion dollar fine in
media and goes, oh, you know, no big deal. It's
a big deal. And there are other lawsuits still pending.
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So I don't even know if this is the end,
is what I'm saying. I don't know if this necessarily
means that there's aren't there aren't going to be more
changes over there. And remember the fondest what are the
two things that the left has wanted to do Clay
for decades now? They want to take Fox News off
the air or make it CNN CNN light and not
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talk radio off the air. So look at what's going
on right now, look at the efforts that they're putting
on underway to take away our platforms.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We'll come back. By the way. I want to hear
folks out there.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I mean, if you just want to let us know
what you think about Tucker being out, you know what,
I want to know how you feel about it. I mean,
are you still you're still going to be watching that
eight pm at Fox? You think that this is some
kind of a dirty, dirty hit coming from the outside,
We're we're stunned here, so we're turn into all of
you to let us know what you think.
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
To Clay and Buck. We had the big breaking.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
News before of Tucker Carlson no longer with Fox News.
Here's Harris Faulkner announcing it this morning on her show
on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Play the clip.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
We have some news from within our Fox family. Fox
News Media and Tucker Carlson have mutually agreed to part ways.
Tucker's last show was this past Friday, and starting tonight,
Fox News Tonight will air live at eight pm Eastern.
It will be an interim show with rotating Fox News
personalities until a new host is named. We want to
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thank Tucker Carlson for his service to the network as
a host and prior to that, as a long term contributor.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Look, Tucker's the man, and he did a phenomenal show,
and Clay and I have already said a lot of
how we feel about him as a talent, as a person.
So that's a shock for us. We're sitting here and look,
he was a voice that we really wanted in the
game for twenty twenty four Folks. Let's understand, this is
about the conversation that pushes the future of the country. Right,
This is not small potatoes. On top of this, yes,
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we have another breaking news story from the media world
that is going to have a very different tone here,
a very different vibe on.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
The show, of different feeling from us.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Don Lemon has just been fired. Tucker has been mutually part.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Of ways with Fox or part of ways with Fox.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Don Lemon put out a statement saying that he was
terminated by CNN after seventeen years.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So he has said.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It wasn't a you know, let's be friends, see you later.
It was I'm out and I'm shocked, Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Clay is out.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, let's read it. Don Lemon literally minutes ago, it's
a wild day. As Buck just said, we were talking
off air. You got news you want to put out,
Now's the time to do it. I was informed this
morning by my agent I've been terminated by CNN.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
After seventeen years at CNN, I would have thought someone
in management would have had the decency to tell me directly.
At no time was I ever given any indication I
would not be able to continue to do the work
I've loved at the network. It's clear there are some
larger issues at play. With that said, I want to
thank my colleagues and the many teams I've worked with
for an incredible run. They're the most talented journalists in
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the business, and I wish them all the best.
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. So far
as I know it, we have not been fired. I
keep checking my phone to make sure. It is bloody
Monday in the media industry, everybody dropping like flies. Tucker
Carlson out at Fox mutual parting of the ways. According
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to a release that just came down the pike right
before we went on the air. While we were on
the air, as we just told you, Don Lemon has
been fired at CNN. Buck, let's have a little bit
of fun with the Don Lemon thing for a moment.
Do you think that CNN totally made the decision to
put out the news on Don Lemon when they saw
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the news on Tucker Or conversely, do you think that
Fox might have seen the news about Don Lemon and decided, like,
do you think that Fox knew about Lemen? And do
you think that CNN knew about Tucker? Because Don Lemon
did his show this morning and they fired him right
after he was done.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
On Monday, I think we'd have to check. We'd have
to check the tape, have to check the time, check
the type thing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
They're just trying to sneak in the you know because
the okay, look, the CNN audience, as you all know,
and the CNN anchors, by the way, are ecstatic over
the Tucker thing.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just so you understand, they no matter what.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
They take this as a validation, validation, dominion Fox Tucker.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
They take this as all that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So if you know, when they're all like celebrating that
to sneak in the Don Lemon firing. From a from
a pure Machiavelian media exec perspective, I think that's what.
I think that's what happened. At the timing is not
They're three hundred and sixty.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Five days in the year. They also let him do
the show on Monday.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
If you were going to fire someone, this is just
kind of media one on one correct, you would not allow.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Him to come in the first day of the week
do his show like there a Tucker's out. We gotta
get her to DoD rat And.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I would just say, that's what I'm saying. You got
to look at my phone, and we may fired halfway
through the show today. The way things are going, Look,
I think you stop saying that I think I've been
fired before. I'm used to it, and I think that's
the uh. I think that's the biggest takeaway right by
the way everybody gets fired in media. It's a little
bit like being a head coach. It's almost unheard of
that you get to, you know, be a head coach
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for your entire career and you don't end up getting
fired at some point. But I think, and so when
I look at it, I think to myself, Okay, Tucker
has a wildly loyal audience.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
We will take your calls.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But Buck, do you remember when Tucker took over for
Bill O'Reilly, everybody said, there's no way that Tucker is
going to be able to slide into that O'Reilly chair
and in any way have success. We love Bill O'Reilly.
We've had Bill O'Reilly and Tucker on the show. I
think it's fair to say that Tucker became more influential
even than Bill O'Reilly was, and O'Reilly was, in his era,
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the most influential person on cable news period. And I
think as a result, Tucker's audience is going to follow
him wherever he goes. If I'm Don Lemon's agent today, Like,
let's pretend we're agents, right, If I'm Tucker Carlson's agent,
I bet his phone.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I bet he has gotten one hundred.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Media offers already in the forty five minutes that this
has been public. I don't know who hires Don lim MSNBC,
they'll hire I think they'll hire Don. I think Don
Lemon might be too toxic and also Buck Here's my thing,
is anybody a diehard Don Lemon fan?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like, are people out there, like, Hey, you know who?
I love? Don Lemmon? I worked at CNN for a
couple of years.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Don Lemon had the highest rated CNN show in the
demo for a few years.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But then they demote if he were still rolling, I
hate what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Whenever, dude, it's the same thing, the stock market, same
thing a lot of If you've shown the ability to
hit home runs in one season.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
There's a chance that something you thinks about it, like, yeah,
Don Lemon will get another job.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm just saying basely.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Chris Cuomo, and uh, let's use Chris Cuomo as an example.
Nobody has really followed Chris Cuomo in massive numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Somebody else get fired. No, but I just.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, I was just confirmed to me by a
source that Tucker's team thought they were doing a show
tonight as of this morning. Yeah, so I mean that
does this with this decision was made one hundred percent
over the weekend and no one had any idea. By
the way, it's it is a cruel thing in media.
I'll tell you, I've seen this before. I mean I
saw a show that got acts once at a network
because I saw the people outside with the boxes crying
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and they had no idea.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Like media firings are brutal. Yeah, and we focus.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Look, Tucker's super rich, He's going to be wildly successful
going forward.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I told her.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I mean, look, Friday, I was in the Fox News
building with the staff. Everything was fine. So yes, it
doesn't stun me at all that they anticipated they would
be doing a show today because I don't think this
is something that was in the works for a long time.
I'm betting Buck that the details behind what exactly went
on will happen. But they're a lot of people right
now who have to put on a show in like
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six hours or seven hours.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And by the way, I'm just sharing what's in the
ether right now, and my phone is blowing up today
like crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So it is Clays.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We had to just go get a new charger to
make sure that we were able to die.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And this is out there.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm not this could be completely off the wall, but
a lot of people, a lot of people are putting
out there. You know what they're putting out that they
think that Tucker may have political aspirations.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, that would be amazing if he were going to
run for president. I'm just saying. People are saying this
right now.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
No, I mean, look, he has been I like to
look at the gambling odds. Tucker has been on the
list of potential nominees. Now here's what I would say
about that in general. If that were true, then here's
how I think that would play out. I think he
would go to Fox News and he would say, hey,
Trump is going to be the nominee in my opinion
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to say, just hasn't shown that he has the ability
to take on Trump. I think I'm a better candidate
than both of those guys, and so I'm going to
run for president. If that were true, I think Fox
would allow Tucker to have a grand goodbye. That would
allow him to go out and actually be able to
(25:19):
make that statement. Does that make sense? So I'm not
saying Tucker's not running for president. I would just tell
you that I don't think the way that that news
would become circulating would be on a Monday Morning Fox
saying Tucker and Fox News have parted. Now it's possible,
I'll just again, I'm just spitballing if that were the case.
(25:41):
It's possible that Tucker had been doing things behind the
scenes and it was suddenly uncovered. But just think about it.
If you're Fox News, why would you It would be
great for Fox News if Tucker ran for president. That
would be incredible for their brand.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, that's like he graduated from Fox you know, from.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
This become the president of the United States. There's a
happy there's a house narrative. Let's just put it this way.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
If you or I announced that we were running for
president of the United States, iHeart would not put out
a statement twenty minutes before we were about to go
on air saying that we had mutually parted ways.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
They would allow us to come on and say bye
to the audience.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So I again, maybe that's possible the way that this
is playing out, and I would love to see. Look
if Tucker throws his hat in the ring for us,
I mean that he'd be an incredible candid.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So here's the thing about, let's say what. By the way,
we'll I know, every line is lit in. The phones
in New York are going crazy right now, and our
team is going through them and we will get to
your calls. But the you know, the theories are okay,
I throw out the politics thing that may be off
the wall. I mean, Tucker and his people maybe like
laughing at the thought that that is being talked about,
but people are talking about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think it's just worth noting.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
He is that level of popular with the right where
it's not maybe, by the way, maybe not this election.
Maybe he wants to let the Santas Trump thing play out,
but maybe he wants to think more toward the future
in twenty Twentyok.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know, twenty percent of the audience if Tucker suddenly
of the Republican primary, I'm just I'm just spitballing numbers.
Twenty percent of people out there, I think would say,
you know what, I would vote for Tucker over Trump
or DeSantis or Vivic or.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Nicky l was the GOP nominee not that long ago, folks.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So the idea that Tucker Carlson, who's actually popular with
the bass, could be the nominee at some point is
obviously not you know.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And it's also, by the way, why we are saying
that he has such an incredible media future, because he's
an incredible commentator.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
But the so there's the issues also of the legality
now that I think is being used to try to
silence conservative voices in so many different places, and that
the scope and scale of the lawsuit that Dominian brought
against Fox.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's a part of this. But look if it if
it comes out, uh, if it comes out.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
That you know, somehow Tucker got pushed out because some
people didn't like what he's saying. There's gonna be audience
blowback on No, there's going to be audience, and they
know everyone knows that there's audience.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So I don't think you can keep this story quiet.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't know what exactly happens here because it's it's
still sort of in this shock phase. I do know that, Uh,
I think CNN actually has made a good move.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think I just I wonder, I wonder who's next.
These things usually happen in threes. Right, We've already got
we already got Tucker, now we got Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The Don Lemon thing. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It is really funny to me to think about the
CNN executives like the minute the Tucker news hits and
they're like, because otherwise, to your point, this is like
the Super Bowl for CNN.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
They would be gushing over like Tucker.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Everyone else was popping champagne corks at CNN because they're
psycho commis. And the execs were like, I mean, you know,
the top execs were like, war them.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Now, we got gotta get him out. We gotta fire
Don Lemon. And remember they didn't even tell Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They told his.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Agent, I know, which is hard, which is way harsh,
way harsh.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Said I I just it is funny to me to
think of the execu you want to talk about how
shark infested the media universe is for them to see
at CNN tuckers out and immediately think, now is the
perfect time for us to fire Don Lemon is really fun.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
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Speaker 3 (29:09):
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Speaker 3 (30:24):
We're down here in Fort Myers, Florida and doing a
live event tonight. Looking just want to say looking forward
to seeing all of you who are coming out in
the Fort Myers Naples area. We said we'd come down
here and be with all of you and try to
do what we can to create more more momentum for
everyone's enthusiasm for the rebuild and all the things going here.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So that's why we're down here. Thank you all for
first of all inviting us down and we.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Got this big news that was the shock at the
top of the show that just broke, which was Tucker
Carlson out at Fox News, much smaller and much more
immute for US News Don Lemon out at CNN. Every
line is lit from all of you across the country.
And then again also, I mean, Clay, I can't even
I open my email box or my text messages whatever.
It's just freaking out about this. But let's hear what
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you think all across the country. Team Judy in Wisconsin.
First up here, Judy, what's on your mind.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Hi, I just want to say that this is so frustrating.
It's never ending. We can't keep anybody that gives us
the proper news that you feel like you can trust.
My whole family listens to Fox, and especially Tucker a
lot of the people I associate with. For the owners
(31:40):
of Fox to decide to just get rid of him
and shut down another voice for the people that are
moderate or conservative is just ridiculous. I know myself. The
other news stations that have continually been taken off because
there's people like AOC decide that, you know, they should
be saying something like Tucker should be taken off the air.
(32:02):
I'm sure it really didn't have anything to do with it,
but it's the whole thing, is this. It's a never
ending struggle to keep someone around that you feel like
you can trust and trust their opinions. So, for me,
I'm done with Fox, and I've been a Fox fan forever,
so I watch Newsmax also, I will continue now to
watch just Newsmax. Fox puts out all these shows like
(32:25):
One Nation, which are very good, and you know you
pay for your subscription. Okay, well I'm done with that too,
and so is probably everybody else that I'm hanging around with.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Judy, Thanks, thanks so much for calling in. Appreciate you
sharing your perspective.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
What I would just say is Tucker will explain his
decision making I think at some point and so how
exactly this all went down, we don't know, JB.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So I would say, just be just be aware.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You trust talent, right, I think that is the paramount
thing that is going on in media today.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You may not agree with everything that Bako or I
say on a data to day basis, but no one
is in our ear saying you guys have to say this,
and Buck, this is why we took this show and
why we were happy to have Julie Talbot as our boss.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
She had my back when she didn't need to, right
after I started in sports, and so I wouldn't have
taken this job if I didn't know who.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Our boss was and that she had our back.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
So you again, I would just encourage all of you
out there, you know, trust talent, let them you know
the ultimately overtime you can I'm the worst actor on
the planet. I don't think Buck's that good of an
actor either radio and live television and live media in general.
Over time, you reveal yourself one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I don't think Clay saw my euripides back in high school, mister,
or I.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Will just I will say this.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
We did skits for the Fox Bet Live gambling show
that I used to do on Fox Sports for four years.
I am the worst actor who has ever lived. If
I have to memorize lines and I have to deliver.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
This, I just don't think Clay needs to be shots
in mind Hamlet that I.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Would be if you're a phenomenal If you're a phenomenal actor,
I know I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I can't do it. GB in Austin, JB. What do
you got for us? KLBJ. By the way, we love
our KLBJ folks, thank you for making us number one
in Austin. What's going on?
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Hey, Beck, how you doing good?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Great?
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I love to show Uh yeah, of course the news, Attucker.
You know it was kind of crazy this morning, but uh,
we all, all of us, we have to quit hiding
behind Trump. And what I mean by that is so
that doesn't hate Trump. They hate America. They hate conservative
Christian America and our founding and and it's in the media.
(34:44):
I know, it's kind of probably an easy place.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
To to be to.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Let Trump take all the the budgeon, and uh, we
we have to change it. In narrative, AM radio's next man.
You know that you know what's going on with that too,
and we really have to fight as a group of Republican,
independent and conservatives to make sure this doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
JB totally agree with you. And by the way, they
are coming for other people. And I do think there's
some politics behind the push right now to limit AM
radio in new cars. AM radio. We're down here in
Fort Myers right now. You know what people could rely
on when they really need to know what was going
on with the power went out and everything else. AM
radio In a disaster or emergency situation. What is your
(35:30):
last most reliable line of communication, the one that is
there for you, AM radio. It needs to be in cars.
We need to keep it going. And that's not even
getting into the politics of it. We'll take one more here,
we'll get into more of the next hour. Dan in Erie, Pennsylvania. Dan,
what do you got for us?
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Hey, I'm done with Fox News. I canceled my cables subscription,
done going to newsbacks. I was torked when they got
rid of Bill O'Reilly. This ports me off and I
am tired of willy nilly congressman that do not use
the power of the purse. And I called my local congressman,
Mike Kelly and totalm you better have AM radios in
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our cars.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, thank you, look said Dan, thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
By the way, people taking action like Dan who love
AM radio helps keep AM radio there. It's not enough
to rely on your neighbor. You listen, you listen on AM.
Please write your congressman say hey, we need AM radio
in these cars and we can actually keep it going.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And look, what I would say in general is this
brings home what we've been saying for a long time.
It's not enough to rely just on advertisers in any business.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
You have to build your own business.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And we've been talking about bud Light in the disrespect
that they showed for their consumer. How many people out
there are actually trying to build alternatives. Get angry, but
take advantage of entrepreneurial opportunities.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
We'll talk more playing Buck
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We
are live in Fort Myers, Naples area from our radio
affiliate here ninety two five. They were flooded during the hurricane,
and we said we would come down here, draw attention
and help out as best we can. We have got
an event live tonight in Naples where we will be
(00:29):
with hundreds of you guys and hopefully helped to raise
a little bit of money and continued awareness. Here we
are inside of the studios that many of you may
have seen that were completely flooded. They have they are
in the process of rebuilding here in Fort Myers. Again,
appreciate all of you listening on ninety two five in
(00:49):
the southwest Florida area. Okay, major breaking news that just
happened about a half hour ago on Twitter, and many
of you have certainly.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Not seen this news.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I don't think we ever decided buck on the
official breaking news sounder that we would have on the program,
But I want to make sure that I get this right,
so I'm reading. We'll read the full press release here
just momentarily because we don't know a lot of details.
Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News. Friday will be
(01:28):
the final show that he ever does. Buck, I was
on that show Friday. I was not in any way
knowledgeable about this. It was a totally normal Friday edition
of the program. And in the last thirty minutes they
have officially announced it. They also announced it on Harris
(01:55):
Faulkner's show as well. Now Here is the official statement.
I want to read it, and then obviously eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Two eight two two eight eight two, could I just yeah,
we are in shock here.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, just so everybody understands, like, we had no idea,
and Clay read the statement and we'll tell everybody what
we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways.
This is a statement that was just released in the
last half hour or so. We thank him for his
service to the network as a host and prior to that,
as a contributor. Mister Carlson's last program was Friday, April
twenty first. Fox News Tonight will air live at eight
(02:37):
pm Eastern, starting this evening as an interim show helmed
by rotating Fox News personalities until a new host is named,
and that is basically the full statement that is out
so far. Buck, We've been trying to monitor Twitter certainly. Look,
I'm a Fox News employee. I was on the final
show for Tucker Carlson Friday, as I just told all
(03:00):
of you, some of you may have seen it. No
suggestion that Tucker was completing his tenure at Fox News.
That was on Friday. I was just on Fox News
an hour ago on America Reports with Bill Hammer Dana Perino,
no idea this was happening, Buck.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So let's let just walked into the student in and
you just you know other things we are going to
talk about today.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Just give you a sense of the things that we
had lined up.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Eric Adams says the migrant crisis is destroying New York City, DC,
requiring vaccine for kids to return to schools, a lot
of things. Yeah, on the radar, Gavin Newsom calls in
the California National Guard to help combat San Francisco's ongoing
phemol crisis.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And we will get to all of this.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But we just came in here and I actually thought
it was and I was told to admit this. I
thought the tweet that I saw on this was disinformation,
Like I thought this.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Someone may got hacked, I mean, which doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe that this had happened.
And there's a lot of theories. Here's what we know
right now. First of all, I won't speak for Clay.
I let Clay say, you know, his own piece on Tucker.
I think Tucker is a phenomenal talent and did a
great show and stepped into he you know, I think
(04:11):
we have a little bit of you know, we know
what is it to step into the shoes of the
greatest who's been in the medium. Yes, Bill O'Reilly had
the biggest show on cable news for twenty years. Bill
O'Reilly and TV was the closest thing to rush on
talk radio in terms of the number one guy, the
biggest and the best. And Tucker came in and did,
by the ratings, a phenomenal job, right, he was doing
a great show. And you know, look, I'll say this,
(04:35):
my wife worked for Tucker at one point as a
brucer on his show. And he's a really good guy.
He's a good person, a good human being. And I
sit here and I'm just I just can't imagine. I mean,
this is one of those moments where I had assumed
that Tucker's voice was going to be one of those
weighing in alongside alongside ours and others, and this going
(04:56):
into this male stream of an election, and we're just
getting getting used to the reality that, you know, he
may go do other projects, but he's not going to
be the guy at eight pm every night, the ten
poll at eight pm over at Fox News. We don't
have any more insight to this and to the you
know Clay and I know a lot of people in business, Clay's.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Obviously a Fox employee.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'd say this talker gave the Heritage Found a Foundation
gala address Friday night. Yeah, didn't get to say goodbye.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Now, I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Have any inside information yet into what happened here. We're
putting out our source, our feelers and talking to people.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But Clay didn't get to say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Does seem to indicate that this decision might have been
made over the weekend?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
One hundred percent it was made over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So again, I was on his show Friday, buck totally
normal show. I was with his staff in the in
the building Fox News Building on on Friday afternoon. No
one had any clue that this was happening. And frankly,
I mean to your point, Tucker had an address that
he was doing at the Heritage Foundation. They had their
big gala event over the weekend. But I know for
(06:08):
a fact that if Tucker had known that Friday was
is going to be his final show, now what exactly happened.
Let's say this too. Tucker is such a talented media person.
I have been in a situation where I went out
without kicks, started my own media brand. Tucker already started
The Daily Caller and sold it several years ago. I
(06:29):
imagine made a good living on that. He has the
ability to spin out and do his own media ecosystem
that would surround him and it would be wildly successful
and wildly profitable at launch. So I don't imagine that
Tucker's voice is going to really be curtailed, But the
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impact to Fox News, I would think. I mean, if
you were going to say, I think this is fair buck,
which person is sort of the tip of the spear
of the Fox News.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Brand right now? I would say it was Tucker.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Now, Sean Hannity has been wildly successful for thirty years,
I would say he's right there too. But in terms
of the driving force of attention, of attack of just
sort of the media colossus right now at Fox News,
I would say that it's Tucker. And certainly ratings reflect
nobody had a more watched nightly news program than Tucker
(07:27):
Carlson on cable for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And there's a look the theories that are out there
right now, and they are theories, and if we knew,
we would tell you, or even I should say, if
we had a greater degree of certainty right now, because
here here's the thing you might be saying.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
To yourself, Oh, well, you know Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
You know they know Tucker and they like him, and
so is this as big of a I think anybody
who watches Fox News understands how big a deal this is.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, but it's also.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A bigger deal within the media ecosystem going into it.
It's going to be a very contentious election. AOC over
the weekend said, you know, Tucker does incitement. She probably
said literally, but incitement to violence with what he says
on his show. They've been trying to take him down
for a long time. So I'm just going to say
(08:16):
this when when a name like Tucker gets taken off
of his of his perch, gets taken off of his platform,
it makes all the rest of us start to think, Okay,
who else are they coming for?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Now?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Where you know what?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Other not just heads may roll, but but big changes
could be made in the ecosystem of what we're allowed
to have conversations about. I mean, folks, we talked about
it on the show Fox loss in basically, I know
they paid a settlement in advance, but they paid an
almost eight hundred million dollar lawsuit, and there are other
lawsuits pending. This law fair against conservative media has had
(08:52):
a blitzkrek victory in its first outing. There could be
other efforts right there could there are other lawsuits pending
right now we know, and not just against Fox by
the way, So you want to know how they can
drag old man Biden across the finish line, even though
it's a joke and it's preposterous and an insult to
the country that he's been president as long as he
has been shut down all the dissenting voices kick them
(09:14):
off of their platforms.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So a couple of other things. Fox Stock basically did
not budge on news of the dominion settlement, we talked
about this seven hundred and eighty million, whatever the dollar
figure was.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Stock didn't move.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Right now, as we are speaking to you, the Fox
stock has dropped around four percent.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm looking at it live. It is down.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Let's see a dollar thirty seven. Literally as we speak.
The only news that's been out at Fox at all
is Tucker Carlson leaving. So that is kind of a
representation of what the value is in the stock market,
at least in the short term associated with Tucker Carlson.
Now it reminds me a little bit buck of succession.
(09:58):
And again some people got mad at me for the
spoiler alerts. But when the Logan Roy character spoiler spoiler spoiler,
turn it down if you're trying to catch up when
he passes this season, there is a moment where one
of his children on the program holds up the phone
and shows as the news is breaking, says, there's dad.
(10:18):
And you can see the impact of the Logan Roy
death on the stock price of Wastetar, the company that
is in succession. Right, So Tucker Carlson is not dead,
but his show is no longer going to exist, and
there is an immediate reaction in the stock market to
Tucker Carlson having completed his last show on Friday. Now, Oftentimes,
and I will say oftentimes, there is a rush to
(10:41):
get the story out, so I read to you the
pr statement that is out. Tucker obviously has many allies.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
In the media.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
At some point he will decide, I would imagine, to
tell his story of what happened now.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe he doesn't, Maybe he's getting paid out under his
five contract.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm just tossing it out as a lawyer who's been
involved in cases like these before, so maybe he won't
get into the particulars of why he's leaving. All I
would say is from a pure business perspective, right strip
away all the emotion everything else. The value of Tucker
carlson media brand is massive, and my inclination would be
that his voice is not going to get less powerful,
(11:23):
if anything, if he is going out to join a
new media company or found a new media company, as
he's already done before. The people who are massive Tucker
Carlson fans, and I know that's many of you who
are listening to us right now, are going to be
able to find him no matter where he is.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean, you guys all get this sense right.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Game respects game, and we both here have a lot
of respect for not everybody on the right. You know,
people have their places and their positions, and they have
their audiences. Not everybody is as talented as everybody else.
Tucker is a super talented guy. He is at the
peak of the ability to do this format and do
these do these kinds of monologues and cover the topics.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I mean, I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I remember in the early part of COVID going into
the b l M riots. Do you remember those those
monos that Tucker was doing when the streets were just
overrun with lunacy and anarchy and destruction, and it was
a voice of sanity calling it out and showing us
exactly what was going on.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
When there was kind of a moment where a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Of people in the right were, oh, I don't want
to I don't want to criticize BLM.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I mean, look what happens. And he stood strong on
that one.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So we sit here and friends, this affects the way forward.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
This this overall.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Reality of Tucker Carlson being out, the lawsuit against Fox,
the other lawsuits that are pending, against individuals, not even
just a massive corporation like Fox. The charges they're bringing
against Donald Trump multiple cases in the background, one already
taken to indictment phase. They're going to do everything they
can to try to shift the battlefield in their favor,
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using the most underhanded.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Legal tricks imaginable. I'm not so by the way, this
may have been entirely.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
A Fox decision, but it's a decision that it's hard
to separate what's going on here with dominion from at
least the mentality inside the Fox News building Like that,
you have to think that this has an impact on
I mean, nobody pays almost a billion dollar fine in
media and goes, oh, you know, no big deal. It's
a big deal. And there are other lawsuits still pending.
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So I don't even know if this is the end,
is what I'm saying. I don't know if this necessarily
means that there's aren't there aren't going to be more
changes over there. And remember the fondest what are the
two things that the left has wanted to do Clay
for decades now? They want to take Fox News off
the air or make it CNN CNN light and not
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talk radio off the air. So look at what's going
on right now, look at the efforts that they're putting
on underway to take away our platforms.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We'll come back. By the way. I want to hear
folks out there.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I mean, if you just want to let us know
what you think about Tucker being out, you know what,
I want to know how you feel about it. I mean,
are you still you're still going to be watching that
eight pm at Fox? You think that this is some
kind of a dirty, dirty hit coming from the outside,
We're we're stunned here, so we're turn into all of
you to let us know what you think.
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
To Clay and Buck. We had the big breaking.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
News before of Tucker Carlson no longer with Fox News.
Here's Harris Faulkner announcing it this morning on her show
on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Play the clip.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
We have some news from within our Fox family. Fox
News Media and Tucker Carlson have mutually agreed to part ways.
Tucker's last show was this past Friday, and starting tonight,
Fox News Tonight will air live at eight pm Eastern.
It will be an interim show with rotating Fox News
personalities until a new host is named. We want to
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thank Tucker Carlson for his service to the network as
a host and prior to that, as a long term contributor.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Look, Tucker's the man, and he did a phenomenal show,
and Clay and I have already said a lot of
how we feel about him as a talent, as a person.
So that's a shock for us. We're sitting here and look,
he was a voice that we really wanted in the
game for twenty twenty four Folks. Let's understand, this is
about the conversation that pushes the future of the country. Right,
This is not small potatoes. On top of this, yes,
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we have another breaking news story from the media world
that is going to have a very different tone here,
a very different vibe on.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
The show, of different feeling from us.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Don Lemon has just been fired. Tucker has been mutually part.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Of ways with Fox or part of ways with Fox.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Don Lemon put out a statement saying that he was
terminated by CNN after seventeen years.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So he has said.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It wasn't a you know, let's be friends, see you later.
It was I'm out and I'm shocked, Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Clay is out.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, let's read it. Don Lemon literally minutes ago, it's
a wild day. As Buck just said, we were talking
off air. You got news you want to put out,
Now's the time to do it. I was informed this
morning by my agent I've been terminated by CNN.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
After seventeen years at CNN, I would have thought someone
in management would have had the decency to tell me directly.
At no time was I ever given any indication I
would not be able to continue to do the work
I've loved at the network. It's clear there are some
larger issues at play. With that said, I want to
thank my colleagues and the many teams I've worked with
for an incredible run. They're the most talented journalists in
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the business, and I wish them all the best.
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. So far
as I know it, we have not been fired. I
keep checking my phone to make sure. It is bloody
Monday in the media industry, everybody dropping like flies. Tucker
Carlson out at Fox mutual parting of the ways. According
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to a release that just came down the pike right
before we went on the air. While we were on
the air, as we just told you, Don Lemon has
been fired at CNN. Buck, let's have a little bit
of fun with the Don Lemon thing for a moment.
Do you think that CNN totally made the decision to
put out the news on Don Lemon when they saw
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the news on Tucker Or conversely, do you think that
Fox might have seen the news about Don Lemon and decided, like,
do you think that Fox knew about Lemen? And do
you think that CNN knew about Tucker? Because Don Lemon
did his show this morning and they fired him right
after he was done.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
On Monday, I think we'd have to check. We'd have
to check the tape, have to check the time, check
the type thing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
They're just trying to sneak in the you know because
the okay, look, the CNN audience, as you all know,
and the CNN anchors, by the way, are ecstatic over
the Tucker thing.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just so you understand, they no matter what.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
They take this as a validation, validation, dominion Fox Tucker.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
They take this as all that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So if you know, when they're all like celebrating that
to sneak in the Don Lemon firing. From a from
a pure Machiavelian media exec perspective, I think that's what.
I think that's what happened. At the timing is not
They're three hundred and sixty.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Five days in the year. They also let him do
the show on Monday.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
If you were going to fire someone, this is just
kind of media one on one correct, you would not allow.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Him to come in the first day of the week
do his show like there a Tucker's out. We gotta
get her to DoD rat And.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I would just say, that's what I'm saying. You got
to look at my phone, and we may fired halfway
through the show today. The way things are going, Look,
I think you stop saying that I think I've been
fired before. I'm used to it, and I think that's
the uh. I think that's the biggest takeaway right by
the way everybody gets fired in media. It's a little
bit like being a head coach. It's almost unheard of
that you get to, you know, be a head coach
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for your entire career and you don't end up getting
fired at some point. But I think, and so when
I look at it, I think to myself, Okay, Tucker
has a wildly loyal audience.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
We will take your calls.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But Buck, do you remember when Tucker took over for
Bill O'Reilly, everybody said, there's no way that Tucker is
going to be able to slide into that O'Reilly chair
and in any way have success. We love Bill O'Reilly.
We've had Bill O'Reilly and Tucker on the show. I
think it's fair to say that Tucker became more influential
even than Bill O'Reilly was, and O'Reilly was, in his era,
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the most influential person on cable news period. And I
think as a result, Tucker's audience is going to follow
him wherever he goes. If I'm Don Lemon's agent today, Like,
let's pretend we're agents, right, If I'm Tucker Carlson's agent,
I bet his phone.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I bet he has gotten one hundred.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Media offers already in the forty five minutes that this
has been public. I don't know who hires Don lim MSNBC,
they'll hire I think they'll hire Don. I think Don
Lemon might be too toxic and also Buck Here's my thing,
is anybody a diehard Don Lemon fan?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like, are people out there, like, Hey, you know who?
I love? Don Lemmon? I worked at CNN for a
couple of years.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Don Lemon had the highest rated CNN show in the
demo for a few years.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But then they demote if he were still rolling, I
hate what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Whenever, dude, it's the same thing, the stock market, same
thing a lot of If you've shown the ability to
hit home runs in one season.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
There's a chance that something you thinks about it, like, yeah,
Don Lemon will get another job.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm just saying basely.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Chris Cuomo, and uh, let's use Chris Cuomo as an example.
Nobody has really followed Chris Cuomo in massive numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Somebody else get fired. No, but I just.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, I was just confirmed to me by a
source that Tucker's team thought they were doing a show
tonight as of this morning. Yeah, so I mean that
does this with this decision was made one hundred percent
over the weekend and no one had any idea. By
the way, it's it is a cruel thing in media.
I'll tell you, I've seen this before. I mean I
saw a show that got acts once at a network
because I saw the people outside with the boxes crying
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and they had no idea.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Like media firings are brutal. Yeah, and we focus.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Look, Tucker's super rich, He's going to be wildly successful
going forward.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I told her.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I mean, look, Friday, I was in the Fox News
building with the staff. Everything was fine. So yes, it
doesn't stun me at all that they anticipated they would
be doing a show today because I don't think this
is something that was in the works for a long time.
I'm betting Buck that the details behind what exactly went
on will happen. But they're a lot of people right
now who have to put on a show in like
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six hours or seven hours.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And by the way, I'm just sharing what's in the
ether right now, and my phone is blowing up today
like crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So it is Clays.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We had to just go get a new charger to
make sure that we were able to die.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And this is out there.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm not this could be completely off the wall, but
a lot of people, a lot of people are putting
out there. You know what they're putting out that they
think that Tucker may have political aspirations.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, that would be amazing if he were going to
run for president. I'm just saying. People are saying this
right now.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
No, I mean, look, he has been I like to
look at the gambling odds. Tucker has been on the
list of potential nominees. Now here's what I would say
about that in general. If that were true, then here's
how I think that would play out. I think he
would go to Fox News and he would say, hey,
Trump is going to be the nominee in my opinion
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to say, just hasn't shown that he has the ability
to take on Trump. I think I'm a better candidate
than both of those guys, and so I'm going to
run for president. If that were true, I think Fox
would allow Tucker to have a grand goodbye. That would
allow him to go out and actually be able to
(25:19):
make that statement. Does that make sense? So I'm not
saying Tucker's not running for president. I would just tell
you that I don't think the way that that news
would become circulating would be on a Monday Morning Fox
saying Tucker and Fox News have parted. Now it's possible,
I'll just again, I'm just spitballing if that were the case.
(25:41):
It's possible that Tucker had been doing things behind the
scenes and it was suddenly uncovered. But just think about it.
If you're Fox News, why would you It would be
great for Fox News if Tucker ran for president. That
would be incredible for their brand.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, that's like he graduated from Fox you know, from.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
This become the president of the United States. There's a
happy there's a house narrative. Let's just put it this way.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
If you or I announced that we were running for
president of the United States, iHeart would not put out
a statement twenty minutes before we were about to go
on air saying that we had mutually parted ways.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
They would allow us to come on and say bye
to the audience.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So I again, maybe that's possible the way that this
is playing out, and I would love to see. Look
if Tucker throws his hat in the ring for us,
I mean that he'd be an incredible candid.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So here's the thing about, let's say what. By the way,
we'll I know, every line is lit in. The phones
in New York are going crazy right now, and our
team is going through them and we will get to
your calls. But the you know, the theories are okay,
I throw out the politics thing that may be off
the wall. I mean, Tucker and his people maybe like
laughing at the thought that that is being talked about,
but people are talking about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think it's just worth noting.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
He is that level of popular with the right where
it's not maybe, by the way, maybe not this election.
Maybe he wants to let the Santas Trump thing play out,
but maybe he wants to think more toward the future
in twenty Twentyok.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know, twenty percent of the audience if Tucker suddenly
of the Republican primary, I'm just I'm just spitballing numbers.
Twenty percent of people out there, I think would say,
you know what, I would vote for Tucker over Trump
or DeSantis or Vivic or.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Nicky l was the GOP nominee not that long ago, folks.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So the idea that Tucker Carlson, who's actually popular with
the bass, could be the nominee at some point is
obviously not you know.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And it's also, by the way, why we are saying
that he has such an incredible media future, because he's
an incredible commentator.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
But the so there's the issues also of the legality
now that I think is being used to try to
silence conservative voices in so many different places, and that
the scope and scale of the lawsuit that Dominian brought
against Fox.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's a part of this. But look if it if
it comes out, uh, if it comes out.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
That you know, somehow Tucker got pushed out because some
people didn't like what he's saying. There's gonna be audience
blowback on No, there's going to be audience, and they
know everyone knows that there's audience.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So I don't think you can keep this story quiet.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't know what exactly happens here because it's it's
still sort of in this shock phase. I do know that, Uh,
I think CNN actually has made a good move.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think I just I wonder, I wonder who's next.
These things usually happen in threes. Right, We've already got
we already got Tucker, now we got Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The Don Lemon thing. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It is really funny to me to think about the
CNN executives like the minute the Tucker news hits and
they're like, because otherwise, to your point, this is like
the Super Bowl for CNN.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
They would be gushing over like Tucker.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Everyone else was popping champagne corks at CNN because they're
psycho commis. And the execs were like, I mean, you know,
the top execs were like, war them.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Now, we got gotta get him out. We gotta fire
Don Lemon. And remember they didn't even tell Don Lemon.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They told his.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Agent, I know, which is hard, which is way harsh,
way harsh.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Said I I just it is funny to me to
think of the execu you want to talk about how
shark infested the media universe is for them to see
at CNN tuckers out and immediately think, now is the
perfect time for us to fire Don Lemon is really fun.
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We're down here in Fort Myers, Florida and doing a
live event tonight. Looking just want to say looking forward
to seeing all of you who are coming out in
the Fort Myers Naples area. We said we'd come down
here and be with all of you and try to
do what we can to create more more momentum for
everyone's enthusiasm for the rebuild and all the things going here.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So that's why we're down here. Thank you all for
first of all inviting us down and we.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Got this big news that was the shock at the
top of the show that just broke, which was Tucker
Carlson out at Fox News, much smaller and much more
immute for US News Don Lemon out at CNN. Every
line is lit from all of you across the country.
And then again also, I mean, Clay, I can't even
I open my email box or my text messages whatever.
It's just freaking out about this. But let's hear what
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you think all across the country. Team Judy in Wisconsin.
First up here, Judy, what's on your mind.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Hi, I just want to say that this is so frustrating.
It's never ending. We can't keep anybody that gives us
the proper news that you feel like you can trust.
My whole family listens to Fox, and especially Tucker a
lot of the people I associate with. For the owners
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of Fox to decide to just get rid of him
and shut down another voice for the people that are
moderate or conservative is just ridiculous. I know myself. The
other news stations that have continually been taken off because
there's people like AOC decide that, you know, they should
be saying something like Tucker should be taken off the air.
(32:02):
I'm sure it really didn't have anything to do with it,
but it's the whole thing, is this. It's a never
ending struggle to keep someone around that you feel like
you can trust and trust their opinions. So, for me,
I'm done with Fox, and I've been a Fox fan forever,
so I watch Newsmax also, I will continue now to
watch just Newsmax. Fox puts out all these shows like
(32:25):
One Nation, which are very good, and you know you
pay for your subscription. Okay, well I'm done with that too,
and so is probably everybody else that I'm hanging around with.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Judy, Thanks, thanks so much for calling in. Appreciate you
sharing your perspective.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
What I would just say is Tucker will explain his
decision making I think at some point and so how
exactly this all went down, we don't know, JB.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So I would say, just be just be aware.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You trust talent, right, I think that is the paramount
thing that is going on in media today.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You may not agree with everything that Bako or I
say on a data to day basis, but no one
is in our ear saying you guys have to say this,
and Buck, this is why we took this show and
why we were happy to have Julie Talbot as our boss.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
She had my back when she didn't need to, right
after I started in sports, and so I wouldn't have
taken this job if I didn't know who.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Our boss was and that she had our back.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
So you again, I would just encourage all of you
out there, you know, trust talent, let them you know
the ultimately overtime you can I'm the worst actor on
the planet. I don't think Buck's that good of an
actor either radio and live television and live media in general.
Over time, you reveal yourself one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I don't think Clay saw my euripides back in high school, mister,
or I.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Will just I will say this.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
We did skits for the Fox Bet Live gambling show
that I used to do on Fox Sports for four years.
I am the worst actor who has ever lived. If
I have to memorize lines and I have to deliver.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
This, I just don't think Clay needs to be shots
in mind Hamlet that I.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Would be if you're a phenomenal If you're a phenomenal actor,
I know I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I can't do it. GB in Austin, JB. What do
you got for us? KLBJ. By the way, we love
our KLBJ folks, thank you for making us number one
in Austin. What's going on?
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Hey, Beck, how you doing good?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Great?
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I love to show Uh yeah, of course the news, Attucker.
You know it was kind of crazy this morning, but uh,
we all, all of us, we have to quit hiding
behind Trump. And what I mean by that is so
that doesn't hate Trump. They hate America. They hate conservative
Christian America and our founding and and it's in the media.
(34:44):
I know, it's kind of probably an easy place.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
To to be to.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Let Trump take all the the budgeon, and uh, we
we have to change it. In narrative, AM radio's next man.
You know that you know what's going on with that too,
and we really have to fight as a group of Republican,
independent and conservatives to make sure this doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
JB totally agree with you. And by the way, they
are coming for other people. And I do think there's
some politics behind the push right now to limit AM
radio in new cars. AM radio. We're down here in
Fort Myers right now. You know what people could rely
on when they really need to know what was going
on with the power went out and everything else. AM
radio In a disaster or emergency situation. What is your
(35:30):
last most reliable line of communication, the one that is
there for you, AM radio. It needs to be in cars.
We need to keep it going. And that's not even
getting into the politics of it. We'll take one more here,
we'll get into more of the next hour. Dan in Erie, Pennsylvania. Dan,
what do you got for us?
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Hey, I'm done with Fox News. I canceled my cables subscription,
done going to newsbacks. I was torked when they got
rid of Bill O'Reilly. This ports me off and I
am tired of willy nilly congressman that do not use
the power of the purse. And I called my local congressman,
Mike Kelly and totalm you better have AM radios in
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our cars.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, thank you, look said Dan, thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
By the way, people taking action like Dan who love
AM radio helps keep AM radio there. It's not enough
to rely on your neighbor. You listen, you listen on AM.
Please write your congressman say hey, we need AM radio
in these cars and we can actually keep it going.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And look, what I would say in general is this
brings home what we've been saying for a long time.
It's not enough to rely just on advertisers in any business.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
You have to build your own business.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And we've been talking about bud Light in the disrespect
that they showed for their consumer. How many people out
there are actually trying to build alternatives. Get angry, but
take advantage of entrepreneurial opportunities.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
We'll talk more playing Buck
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