December 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Buck Sexton’s final live broadcast of the year and a deep dive into major headlines shaping the political and cultural conversation. The hour opens with a sharp critique of White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles’ Vanity Fair interview, which Clay and Buck call a “colossal miscalculation.” They argue that granting extensive access to legacy media outlets like Vanity Fair is a strategic blunder, especially when the piece includes misleading claims about January 6 and cherry-picked quotes.
The discussion highlights lessons learned from Trump’s first term, the administration’s media strategy, and why conservatives should avoid seeking validation from elite publications.
The conversation pivots to 2027 GOP dynamics, with Clay noting that Vice President JD Vance is positioned as a frontrunner for the Republican nomination, especially after Marco Rubio reportedly confirmed he won’t challenge Vance. The hosts also dissect internal tensions revealed in the Vanity Fair piece, including Susie Wiles’ harsh criticism of Pam Bondi over the Epstein controversy.
Next, the show tackles the Brown University shooting investigation, which remains shrouded in mystery. Clay and Buck express frustration over the lack of progress, limited surveillance footage, and reports that the university may be prioritizing PR concerns over transparency. They explore whether political motives could be involved, given that one victim was a prominent college Republican, and question why a multimillion-dollar institution lacks adequate security measures. The hosts underscore parental concerns about campus safety and the broader implications for law enforcement and higher education.
In a cultural segment, Clay and Buck react to a viral clip from the TV series Landman mocking The View, sparking a humorous exchange about media bias and entertainment trends. From there, the discussion turns serious with an in-depth analysis of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) policies and their impact on hiring practices. Buck cites a powerful essay from Compact Magazine detailing how DEI initiatives discriminated against white men in industries like academia, media, and Hollywood, calling the practice unconstitutional and immoral. Clay adds personal anecdotes from law school, challenging the narrative of “white male privilege” and highlighting generational frustrations.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
In Wednesday edition, play Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is Buck's final show of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
He's like a kid getting out for Christmas break, So
sprint through the close here. I'll be with you guys
on Thursday and Friday, and then it is officially into
the holiday season. We will have a lot of great
guest hosts, as we always do. We will get into
some of that down the line, but a bunch of
different stories that are out there. Susie Wiles, the White
(00:31):
House Chief of Staff, did a Vanity Fair interview that
is just a colossal miss stake in terms of intent,
delivery everything. We're going to dive into some of it.
We've got the Brown University shooter. I know Buck that
you talked about this quite a bit yesterday. But the
more this continues, the stranger and stranger the entire story
(00:57):
appears to me. And we've got a lot of other
different stories to run into, but let's start with this
Susie Wiles Vanity Fair piece, and I'll give you a
couple of takes, Buck, and you tell me if you
sign on if you disagree. I think this is Susie
Wiles's biggest misstep since she became chief of staff in
(01:20):
one year. Now, I do think, probably on a positive side,
the overall fact that virtually no one has lost his
or her job in year one of Trump two point
zero is not discussed enough, but is almost one hundred
percent a function buck. I think of the lesson Trump
(01:42):
learned in his first term, which is, whenever somebody has
some sort of controversy that emerges about them and you
decide to fire them, you're not going to quell the
criticism that comes from the legacy media outlets. You're just
going to get put more blood in the water. They're
going to come after somebody new. We have talked about
(02:04):
this a ton on the show. Pete heg Set is
probably the most attacked member of the administration by far
in year one in second place, I would say probably
AREFK Junior, and then I would put Pambondi probably in
there at third place, And then other members of the
administration have been attacked, but much less significantly. And so
(02:31):
the fact that she decided to do this interview, that
they all set for these elite vanity fair photo ops,
and they expected that it would be in some way
a fair reflection of the conversations that took place as
just a colossal miscalculation. And what I would say about
this in general, Buck is what are you thinking.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You should never ever? Ever?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
There are a lot of Republican senators and congressmen and
their staffs who listen to this. I don't understand how
many people get bit by this. If you are giving
your time and effort and quotes to legacy media institutions,
the absolute least that they could do is share every
single thing that you said on the record and let
(03:24):
people go watch or listen to that. I think if
you're doing anything other than live interviews, anything other than
full form podcast interviews, you're totally misunderstanding the power dynamic
at play here. You can't talk all day and allow
them to cherry pick quotes. So I can't believe that
she would fall for this. I read it yesterday and
(03:47):
I just my jaw dropped over the fact that she
had given this writer this much control and power.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, I mean, it's a blunder, but it's going to pass.
It doesn't really matter. There's nothing that no one's going
to get fired over there. It's not going to change.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But I do think it's instructive in that we keep
making the same blunders.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Shouldn't that be addressed?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So my theory about the show Game of Thrones, which
I think does very much descend into nihilism and maybe well, well,
in the final seasons it just collapses into nonsense. But
I think overall the show doesn't really have much as
much as I enjoyed, it doesn't really have a heart
and soul.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Although the takeaway.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I have from it is that hubris is the is
the ultimate sin, or vanity is the ultimate sin. If
you look at all the characters that have really bad
things happen to them that you that you're rooting for,
hubris is what brings them down. And I think one
of the challenges that conservatives have in general, and this
isn't unique to this instance. We see this with whenever
(04:53):
some you know, third tier celebrity says anything conservative and
conservatives go, oh, my gosh, did you see this guy
who was playing the you know, number four lead in
a sitcom from the eighties. Now, there are some conservatives
who are from from a you know, entertainm entemy, like
James Woods is a brilliant guy and a great commentator
(05:14):
and a very accomplished actor.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm fine with that, But I mean when people go
after some one thing that a person says, it's like,
we want to pat on the head so badly from
somebody who's cool and famous that will just do anything
for it. There was a bit of this also when
in the early days when people were so excited about
Kanye and his relationship and Kim Kardashian and her relationship
(05:38):
with Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I was like, guys, slow your role with this a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Vanity fair is a prestige a prestige journal. I think
it's communist propaganda and it's written by the enemy, but
it's something that people see when they go into a
fancy you know, doctor's office out on the table, or
they go to a fancy law office or something. And
I think it's very hard right now for a White
House that is racking up so many wins to think
that anybody could really uh puncture their their balloon of
(06:07):
greatness right now. So I think there was a bit
of I think there was a bit of hubris in
thinking that they could maneuver around this and not get got.
But I also think that this is a tempest in
a teapot. Who really cares everyone's gonna keep working together.
Everyone knows that this was a hit job, So what's
what really, what difference does it make? My concern is
(06:30):
it's just, I mean, it's a judgment error. And to
your point, I don't even know anybody who reads Vanity Fair,
So I guess it would be nice if Vanity Fair
wrote an incredible profile about me.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't think anybody would see it, like if you know,
like I just I don't think most of the people
that have any idea I exist even have open to
Vanity Fair magazine.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So I'm wondering. Yeah, my big issue.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I actually think there's something important from this too, though,
I mean, I hubris might be the thing that I
view as how they fell into this a little bit,
which I understand because the Trump administration has just completely
schalacked its opponents for the last year, I mean ever
since the election. Are just they've been on defense, defense, defense,
the opponents of Trump and this administration. But I think
(07:19):
this is a good reminder of Clay because I've been
saying all along. Kamala lost by two hundred and fifty
thousand votes over a handful of states, basically in a
country of three hundred and fifty million people, give or take,
that is a razor thin actual margin. I know, the
electoral college win was big, and it was an incredible
story with Trump, we've celebrated that all along.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
My point is merely.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
There's still a lot of people that would have voted
for Kamala and there are a lot of people who
are going to vote for the next Democrat, and the
midterms are coming up and the opposition is every bit
is dedicated. Yeah, they've been beaten a few rounds clay,
but they're.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
About to get back in the ring.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So I think that this is a little bit of
a media haymaker that the Trump administration caught on the jaw,
and it's probably a good reminder as we go into
this midterm year. Yeah, the other side, they're still gunning
for us. Yeah, No, I think that's one hundred percent right.
I will say there were two bits of news that
I thought were interesting from the Vanity Fair piece. First
(08:17):
of all, again, let me just say it's a colossal
miscalculation that you would spend this much time with a
writer when his opening paragraph Bucks says nine people died
in the Jan six terror attack. Basically nine people, I
mean that's a complete and total lie. I do think
the fact that they reiterated yet again that Marco Rubio
(08:39):
is not going to run against jd Vance and that
he will support jd Vance if he runs. Jd Vance
is going to enter twenty twenty seven after the midterms
as I think the biggest favorite for a nomination on
the Republican side since go back in time with me
(08:59):
bod George H. W. Bush after Ronald Reagan? Would would
that be the I mean it will have been now.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm not saying that he's one hundred percent going to
be the nominee, but if Marco Rubio is not going
to run against him in twenty twenty seven, there is
going to be a patna of expectation surrounding jd Vance,
the likes.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Of did you just say Patna? I thought it was
pronounced Patna. I think it's Patina research P number.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
There'll be a number of expectation I think I pronounced
that one right, that is completely surrounding jd Vance, that
he's going to be an aura of expectation that he's
going to be the nominee. And then the second part,
when we have our our fact check there on my pronunciation. Also,
this I thought was kind of interesting. Susie Wiles absolutely
(09:53):
hammered Pam Bondi on the Epstein thing quote. I think
she completely whiffed on appreciating that was the very targeted
group that cared about this. First she gave them binders
full of nothingness, and then she said the witness list
or the client list was on her desk. There is
no client list, and it's sure as hell wasn't on
(10:15):
her desk. I mean for the chief of staff to
just I mean, she's right in all that, but for
the chief of staff to pull out a two by
four and just whack the attorney general on that. I
presume Susie Wiles set all that face to face with
Pambondy at some point in time too. But I did
think that was a pretty significant I kind of read
(10:36):
that and I was like, whoo, that was a pretty
significant two by four.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
But you have to also remember it is widely believed
Susie and Bondi have a close relationship stretching back to Florida.
It is widely believed that the reason Pambondi did not
get fired over that is Susie Wiles. So she threw
herself in front of Trump's very understandable rage at that
(11:03):
situation because it's totally unforced error. But you know, again Clay,
yes people are talking about it, so we have to
talk about it for a second. But I feel like
we cover it by just saying, or rather it is
covered the topic. We've gotten what we want out of
it by reminding the administration, that regime media. I know
(11:24):
that seems weird because Trump is the administration, but I
mean the forever regime, you know, the Democrat apparatus media
or will do everything they can to destroy Trump. They
have learned no lessons. They are no more ethical, they
are no more honest, and they really really want to
impeach him again, make sure the Democrats have the House
in order to do so, and they want to push
(11:46):
all of them. There's nothing about what Biden did. The
problem that they have with Biden is merely that the
border was so bad and he was so inept and
then so clearly had dementia that he costs them power.
But Clay, all the policies that were being written in
Biden's name for him, they.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Want to pursue all that stuff again.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They want to go right Vanity Fair wants to go
right back to the White House putting out statements about
how twelve year olds need gender reassignment surgery like they
want that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So they've changed nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I hope they have learned not to do this again,
but the fact that they had to learn this lesson
again is tough. By the way, big win for me
and the opener of the show. My pronunciation, according to
Merriam Webster Dictionary, is acceptable as both pronunciations are acceptable.
That is according to producer Greg's research, which I've always said,
(12:36):
Producer Greg is an elite research talent.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I mean, you go, you google it and it says
puck t nuh. So that is the American pronunciation pronunciation
I've I've never heard it pronounce a different way. But
then I've learned something. I've learned something new. But Clay,
I feel like we could take a draw on that one,
so you can.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Go both ways.
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Speaker 3 (14:31):
So we have a lot of stories that are all right,
Producer Greg settled down, settled down, all right, he's really
you know, the thing is back on this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He totally don't like me.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You mess with Producer Greg's on the fly research skills,
and you know, you might as well insult his puppy
or something.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I mean, he is, he is throwing down over this one.
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's very clear that they're that the most common Okay,
the most common pronunciation in English is patina, but there
is an alternative pronunciation, which is British English. Mister Klay
Travis of London Patna. Okay, that's from So it's cool.
If you lived in the UK, I would say that
(15:12):
makes maybe you'd go to the theater with your patterna.
But yes, it is tacnically both allowed in English.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And there you go.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So I was hoping we're gonna get the word police
to pull you over, just one last one last time,
write you a word pronunciation ticket at the very end,
and uh yeah, Producer Ali's dad is British.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's how he says it, but something something.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sorry, I'm sorry for just having a little class and
just a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Jeanna Saint cuax As.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I was gonna say, I like how the guy, the
born and raised Tennessee guy throwing some British English into
the mix.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Here, it's there, you go. Maybe I'm gonna have to
get a vet in the Vanity Fair subscription.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'm gonna be gonna be reading about all the high
class people that I didn't even know existed, And.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's gonna actually ask you this legitimately.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
If Vanity said I want to do a profile on
let's just say Clay and Buck show, I want to
do both, sit down both of us. Would you be
willing to do it on the precondition that we have
a recording of all the questions or would you just
do it and think that we could negotiate around what
they would ask us knowing that. I mean, look the
photo they picked a Caroline Levitt, I mean, that's just
(16:22):
they're just it's especially if you compare us to the
a very good looking young woman, and to pick that
photo of her, it's like they found a you know,
a large poor somewhere in her face and went to
like microscopic size on it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Look, I I think the only way it's a good question,
the only way you can do an interview with somebody.
So yes, I would say yes on Vanity Fair and
you say, well, you just criticized the White House for
doing it. I would insist that every interview be completely
recorded and that I have the ability to post a
transcript of the entire thing. And then when they selectively
(17:01):
edited my quotes to make it sound like we had
said and you had said, and certainly they would I
had said crazy things that are unacceptable, I would say, actually,
here's the full quotes, and everybody would read them and
they would say, yeah, that sounds like something Klay Travis
would say, that sounds like something Buck Sexton would say. Also,
I would do it because oftentimes there is an advantage
(17:22):
in being attacked by legacy left wing media because it
just reinforces the criticisms that we have for them. So,
worst case scenario, they write awful things about us, what
do I care? Best case scenario, maybe they actually managed
to do a somewhat fair piece, and it just increases
the number of people that might decide, hey, maybe I
(17:42):
should listen to those guys on the radio.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You know we haven't played yet that we need to
come in to get to it yesterday. But talking about
opposition media, Landman a show that you like verhaoh. Yes,
Kerrie likes it too. I'm I'm I'm wishy washy on it,
but I do. I actually haven't ever watched it. I
like the clips that I saw. I need to watch
a la The clips are the best part of it.
(18:06):
I'll tell you A lot of it kind of is
not as great as I think it should be. But
there's the Landman weighs in on the view and we
have that cut and you.
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
I appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I
wanted to play this because I've tried to be in
the holiday spirit. But the reality is everybody in New
York City's in trouble. Well actually we'll get to that
in a sec. But this is Landman. You referenced it,
so we don't forget. This is the Landman taking a
(19:33):
shot at the view. One of the things I may
do once football season is over is dive into Landman
Season one, which I heard was very good. But I
think they're on season two, and I believe it is
bad and has not been very entertained. That's what I've
heard from others. But here is the view shot from Landman.
It sounds a little bit like maybe we got some
(19:54):
Clay and Buck listeners in the writing staff of the
Landman Show.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Listen, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Whatever you want to write a book's when daytime talk
shows you don't like to view or something?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What's the view?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
A bunch of pissed off millionaires mentioned about how much
they hate millionaires.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And Trump and Man and you and me and everybody else.
I gotta be up there ass about it's pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You funny?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I jump finas like Park Church fin.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's no sound funny. It depends on your proximity.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
To the part.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So that is lamb Man A little bit hard to
hear that audio, but mocking the ladies on the view
for being millionaires upset with other millionaires are doing. And
uh we will continue to to follow that. There's a
press conference going on right now. Uh In I'm looking
right now and update Buck. I know you talked about
(20:55):
this a lot yesterday and we talked about it some
on Monday. They are having an updated press conference. Sorry,
that's the press conference yesterday that they're reacting to on
the on the Fox News. I watched all I read,
all the coverage and everything else. Are you as befuddled
as I am that we could be in a situation
(21:16):
where it appears they have no idea how to catch
this guy who was the shooter and even the imagery
that they potentially have of the shooter. I know we've
got some audio from that press conference. Let me hit
a little bit of that and uh and pull it
up here. H. This was trying to explain what's going on.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Uh. They say they don't have a motive. Cut three,
There is no.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Information that the investigative team has about motive zero zero.
There's nothing about even even if taking at face value
what one or two witnesses may have said about what
something was said. Okay, and there are many witnesses say
nothing was said. There's nothing about what we know was
perhaps said that indicates any kind of motive that is
(22:09):
related at all to ethnicity or or political outlook or culture.
There's nothing at all that we know right now about that.
And I think that that is a dangerous road to
go down, particularly in today's environment.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, yeah, dangerous road to go down. Just tell us
the facts. Man. By the way, I don't believe him.
I'm just gonna say this right now.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I noticed he started parsing there anything that's relevant or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Really, what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Explain to me why there are all these people that
say that they have heard that someone heard, and yet
now we're told nothing. I'm sorry, it doesn't it doesn't
pass the smell test for me.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And then she says, let me.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
This is the Rhode Island Attorney General saying, and this
is a question that a ton of you have been asking,
why wasn't there any footage? I know they keep showing
additional footage of this person. It appears to be a
five foot eight male figure, a little bit overweight, potentially,
it's hard to tell because of jackets and it's cold,
(23:15):
wearing a mask. You don't see a ton But here
is cut four saying why wasn't there better footage? They're
asking crazily buck people who might have had tesla's parked
in the area. Hey, can you guys check all of
your cameras on your car and see if you might
have better footage?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Here?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
They're asking for people in the neighborhood who might have
cameras to be able to help out. Here was cut
four trying to explain why there isn't better footage of
this shooter.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
There was a major addition put on that building within
the last five years or so, that that is a
modern building attached to a much older one in the back.
So it doesn't come as a surprise to me at
least that there are members in the newer part of
the building and there is video footage. Okay, so there's
the back part of the building, old part, in front part,
(24:07):
new part. The shooting occurs in the old part towards
the back of towards Oak Street, and that older part
of the building. There are fewer, if any cameras in
that location, I imagine, because it's an older building. So as
students are fleeing the area of the shooting into the
new part of the building, there are cameras in that
in that brand new building that show that chaos. But
(24:30):
the only, but the only, the only video of the
of the presumed anticipated suspected. However, you want to define
a person of interest, you have it. We would release
it if we thought it would be helpful and identifying
this subject. Because we are relying on the press and
(24:50):
public to help get us there, there would be no
reason for us to hold it back. We're looking for
the best image we can.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Dan got to follow up. I pretty sure thank you've
explained that, because really clarifies it.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Although I'm sure some people watching with think a multi.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
League school with the caging down and could have put
new cameras or nobody.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, I love that reporter following up. If you
didn't have you had trouble hearing him, he said, I
think a lot of people out there would say a
multi billion dollar university could find a way to put
cameras in an old building, even if it's an old building.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
What is your reaction.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You've done investigations on cases that you know involve these
shootings like this before. Does this strike you as as
crazy as it does me that we could have such
limited information. They also are scrubbing, evidently pages on the
internet because Internet sleuths, let me just say this, they're
not always right in trying to identify suspects, So that
(25:46):
could be part of this that their people are trying
to figure out. Looking at faculty profiles, looking at student profiles,
who's five foot eight, who could have been in that area.
It's staggering to me that we could be sitting here,
you know, five days basically after the shooting and have
no idea who did it, and every day I think
Bucket probably would become less likely.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
That we would figure out who did this. Well, yes,
that's all true.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And I have also heard from people who are following
the investigation very closely that law enforcement feels like Brown
University is being less than helpful in some ways, that
the university is clearly very concerned about the messaging that
comes out of this whole thing, or the takeaway, if
(26:35):
you will, because look, we all understand, right if this
is let's just say, let's just lay this out. If
this was a and I do not believe this is
the case at all, have to be clear, but I'm
just trying to explain why Brown is.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
According to people I know.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Who are talking to sources in law enforcement in Rhode Islands,
this is just last night.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was talking to them.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
That Brown is seeming like it doesn't really want to
just open up everything that it can and be as
helpful as possible. If the young woman, for example, who
was killed here had been a former girlfriend of the shooter,
you would have a you know, a situation where it's
clearly a personal vendetta that has no broader thematic anything
(27:22):
other than a horrible murder of a beautiful young woman. Okay,
if this guy targeted a Republican on the campus, and
again we don't know that, but Brown is eighty percent
ninety percent, ninety five percent maybe Democrat.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
The vice president of the Republican college campus was murdered.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
She's one of the two people.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And the president has come out and said that he
thinks it's connected to her politics because she was well
known on campus for having conservative politics. Right, President Trump? No, no, no,
the Brown president. Sorry, president of the Brown Republican.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, it's a lot of presidents. She was, she was
the vice president, he was the president. He has come
out and said, the college kid, who's the president? I
think she was targeted based on her politics. So you know,
I was. I was a college Republican, Clay, you were
a college libertine. So I remember what it was like.
You were doing kegstads for freedom.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I remember what it was like on campus. I was known.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Everyone knew that I was a Republican because because so
few people were, it was like a little tribe. It
was a little a little group of us that wore
you know, Sperry topsiders and blue blazers a lot, and
you know, we walked around tried not to get wedgies.
And yes, we we were the college Republicans. Everybody knew, right,
so everyone would have known or largely would have known
(28:52):
that this young woman was a college Republican if in
fact it was political, and as you said, the head
of their College Republicans thinks it was. That causes a
whole issue for Brown because it also raises the why
is it that the standards for what you can say
about Christians and Republicans on a campus. You can basically,
(29:12):
you know, chase them off, threaten them to do anything
you want. But if you were to say anything about
like a trans student, the university comes down and you
look a ton of bricks.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's obvious.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And we went through this also with Jews and Muslims
on campus in places like Columbia University of New York.
Brown is concerned about this is my point here. Brown
University is like, uh oh, this could be a real
issue for us in a pr sense beyond the horrible
double murder that took place here.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, and I just again, and I think a lot
of you are with me on this. It is a
colossal failure that this could be allowed to occur. If
you're a parent of a child on a college campus,
a school shooting is something that you would worry about.
I mean, I think in the back of their mind
people constantly worry about bad things happening to their kids
(30:05):
at elementary school or all the way up into college.
What are we doing that there could not be ample
evidence of all of this that would lead to an
immediate arrest. It's hard to stop somebody from being crazy.
But what motivated this guy? Why does it seem like
they're trying to fight so hard from putting that motivation
(30:27):
out there? And how is it that were reduced to
the point of begging people who might have Tesla vehicles
in the area to potentially share videos when I guarantee
you if you looked at the budget that Brown University
puts into campus security and safety, it would boggle your
mind how much they spend on this. They're certainly what
(30:49):
do we say, room and board plus tuition? The budget
average price now is ninety five thousand dollars a year.
If you can't make your kids safe enough to at
least get the shooter of someone on a campus arrested,
what in the world are we doing. We'll talk about that.
We'll take some of your calls, by the way, eight
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Appreciate you being with us, and we want to get
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all to get it publishing industry. Claud I talked about
this story a bit from the guy in What was It?
Tablet magazine? Do you know what I'm talking about? Where
he wrote about like our generation, I'll include you to
(32:48):
be inclusive, our generation that was essentially blocked out from
a lot of opportunities as part of the DEI mania,
and how like boomers who talk about DEI they have
no idea, really correct, because they completely they had already
gotten to the points in their career where it didn't matter.
(33:08):
They weren't doing entry level hiring or even it's really
that second or third tier of your first promotion, your
second promotion, when like real things start getting going for
you or real opportunities open up. Yeah, I'm sorry, I said,
Tablet Compact Magazine, Compact dot Com. I do remember that
The Lost Generation, it is such a good piece, and
(33:29):
it's just so important because it really hones in on
they what they did to people was wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
What they did to a.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Whole generation of white Americans who are men, white American men,
is wrong. It was it was unconstitutional, which the Supreme
Court has now very clearly weighed on. It was racist,
and it was immoral, and people need to speak about
it that way. And this goes into chapter verse. The
(33:57):
reason that TV shows are so crappy is they're hiring
bad writers.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, no, I remember.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So what was so interesting about this is we were
being told people around our age, hey, we need to
have more diversity, equity and inclusion. This is unacceptable. What's
going on? And I remember looking around, for instance, in
my law school class. There were more girls.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Than guys in my law school class.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And I remember being lectured because we go to on
campus interviews and they would say, well, these these you know,
law firms have to hire way more women because it's
unacceptable what's been going on. And I'm looking around, like, what,
we're actually actually more girls in our class than there
are boys, Like you're yelling at us in this generation
(34:45):
who have had none of the benefits of, by and large,
a world in which was everything was slanted towards white people,
and then you're you're hectoring us as if we're have
this incredible white privilege. And I think that's what what
a lot of young men have finally reacted to, is
this whole idea of male privilege, this whole idea of
(35:06):
white male privilege.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's all a big bowl of bs.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And it's actually the reverse though it's even more like
the discrimination. I don't like the term reverse discrimination, because
it's just discrimination. Discrimination against white males and hiring was explicit,
It was real, and it really only affected one This
is the key because a lot of boomers it's not
that bad. Sorry Boomers, It actually was that bad, and
it affected people who are currently thirty to fifty. Okay,
(35:33):
if you're thirty to fifty right now, you got screwed
over by these policies in a whole range of industries, academia, Clay.
When I was the CIA, there were people with PhDs
and the humanities that I worked with from the fanciest
Ivy League schools.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You know why they were at the CIA with me.
There were white guys.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
They couldn't get Jops, you're a white guy who speaks
Arabic and you have a Middle Eastern studies degree, you know,
in a PhD from Harvard or whatever, you can't get
a teaching.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Job anywhere, Yeah, anywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
And it's because they explicitly said we're going to stop
hiring white guys. Same with Hollywood, same with you know,
a lot of this, by the way, in the lib media.
You look at the way, yeah, Jeff Zucker ran CNN,
so many of the contributors they were trying to bring
in all the time as women in minorities and the
whole It was such a focus on this. Anyway, I
forget what even triggered me on this issue, but I
(36:25):
got fired up. Well, it was the compact of the
article which is circulating now. We'll put it up on
Clay and Buck, you can go read it when we
come back. By the way, your boy, mom, Donnie, I
say your boy because New York City. Somebody's got a
stand up for New York City. He says that giving
people no charges on buses will actually make things way safer.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
That is crazy. We've also got a one hundred and
one year old Patriot that I think people will enjoy
hearing from. And we got a couple of guests coming
everybody's way. Buck's final show of the year. Go buy
his book.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
We'll be back with y'all es.
Oh, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
In Wednesday edition, play Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is Buck's final show of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
He's like a kid getting out for Christmas break, So
sprint through the close here. I'll be with you guys
on Thursday and Friday, and then it is officially into
the holiday season. We will have a lot of great
guest hosts, as we always do. We will get into
some of that down the line, but a bunch of
different stories that are out there. Susie Wiles, the White
(00:31):
House Chief of Staff, did a Vanity Fair interview that
is just a colossal miss stake in terms of intent,
delivery everything. We're going to dive into some of it.
We've got the Brown University shooter. I know Buck that
you talked about this quite a bit yesterday. But the
more this continues, the stranger and stranger the entire story
(00:57):
appears to me. And we've got a lot of other
different stories to run into, but let's start with this
Susie Wiles Vanity Fair piece, and I'll give you a
couple of takes, Buck, and you tell me if you
sign on if you disagree. I think this is Susie
Wiles's biggest misstep since she became chief of staff in
(01:20):
one year. Now, I do think, probably on a positive side,
the overall fact that virtually no one has lost his
or her job in year one of Trump two point
zero is not discussed enough, but is almost one hundred
percent a function buck. I think of the lesson Trump
(01:42):
learned in his first term, which is, whenever somebody has
some sort of controversy that emerges about them and you
decide to fire them, you're not going to quell the
criticism that comes from the legacy media outlets. You're just
going to get put more blood in the water. They're
going to come after somebody new. We have talked about
(02:04):
this a ton on the show. Pete heg Set is
probably the most attacked member of the administration by far
in year one in second place, I would say probably
AREFK Junior, and then I would put Pambondi probably in
there at third place, And then other members of the
administration have been attacked, but much less significantly. And so
(02:31):
the fact that she decided to do this interview, that
they all set for these elite vanity fair photo ops,
and they expected that it would be in some way
a fair reflection of the conversations that took place as
just a colossal miscalculation. And what I would say about
this in general, Buck is what are you thinking.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You should never ever? Ever?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
There are a lot of Republican senators and congressmen and
their staffs who listen to this. I don't understand how
many people get bit by this. If you are giving
your time and effort and quotes to legacy media institutions,
the absolute least that they could do is share every
single thing that you said on the record and let
(03:24):
people go watch or listen to that. I think if
you're doing anything other than live interviews, anything other than
full form podcast interviews, you're totally misunderstanding the power dynamic
at play here. You can't talk all day and allow
them to cherry pick quotes. So I can't believe that
she would fall for this. I read it yesterday and
(03:47):
I just my jaw dropped over the fact that she
had given this writer this much control and power.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, I mean, it's a blunder, but it's going to pass.
It doesn't really matter. There's nothing that no one's going
to get fired over there. It's not going to change.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But I do think it's instructive in that we keep
making the same blunders.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Shouldn't that be addressed?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So my theory about the show Game of Thrones, which
I think does very much descend into nihilism and maybe well, well,
in the final seasons it just collapses into nonsense. But
I think overall the show doesn't really have much as
much as I enjoyed, it doesn't really have a heart
and soul.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Although the takeaway.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I have from it is that hubris is the is
the ultimate sin, or vanity is the ultimate sin. If
you look at all the characters that have really bad
things happen to them that you that you're rooting for,
hubris is what brings them down. And I think one
of the challenges that conservatives have in general, and this
isn't unique to this instance. We see this with whenever
(04:53):
some you know, third tier celebrity says anything conservative and
conservatives go, oh, my gosh, did you see this guy
who was playing the you know, number four lead in
a sitcom from the eighties. Now, there are some conservatives
who are from from a you know, entertainm entemy, like
James Woods is a brilliant guy and a great commentator
(05:14):
and a very accomplished actor.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm fine with that, But I mean when people go
after some one thing that a person says, it's like,
we want to pat on the head so badly from
somebody who's cool and famous that will just do anything
for it. There was a bit of this also when
in the early days when people were so excited about
Kanye and his relationship and Kim Kardashian and her relationship
(05:38):
with Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I was like, guys, slow your role with this a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Vanity fair is a prestige a prestige journal. I think
it's communist propaganda and it's written by the enemy, but
it's something that people see when they go into a
fancy you know, doctor's office out on the table, or
they go to a fancy law office or something. And
I think it's very hard right now for a White
House that is racking up so many wins to think
that anybody could really uh puncture their their balloon of
(06:07):
greatness right now. So I think there was a bit
of I think there was a bit of hubris in
thinking that they could maneuver around this and not get got.
But I also think that this is a tempest in
a teapot. Who really cares everyone's gonna keep working together.
Everyone knows that this was a hit job, So what's
what really, what difference does it make? My concern is
(06:30):
it's just, I mean, it's a judgment error. And to
your point, I don't even know anybody who reads Vanity Fair,
So I guess it would be nice if Vanity Fair
wrote an incredible profile about me.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't think anybody would see it, like if you know,
like I just I don't think most of the people
that have any idea I exist even have open to
Vanity Fair magazine.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So I'm wondering. Yeah, my big issue.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I actually think there's something important from this too, though,
I mean, I hubris might be the thing that I
view as how they fell into this a little bit,
which I understand because the Trump administration has just completely
schalacked its opponents for the last year, I mean ever
since the election. Are just they've been on defense, defense, defense,
the opponents of Trump and this administration. But I think
(07:19):
this is a good reminder of Clay because I've been
saying all along. Kamala lost by two hundred and fifty
thousand votes over a handful of states, basically in a
country of three hundred and fifty million people, give or take,
that is a razor thin actual margin. I know, the
electoral college win was big, and it was an incredible
story with Trump, we've celebrated that all along.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
My point is merely.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
There's still a lot of people that would have voted
for Kamala and there are a lot of people who
are going to vote for the next Democrat, and the
midterms are coming up and the opposition is every bit
is dedicated. Yeah, they've been beaten a few rounds clay,
but they're.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
About to get back in the ring.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So I think that this is a little bit of
a media haymaker that the Trump administration caught on the jaw,
and it's probably a good reminder as we go into
this midterm year. Yeah, the other side, they're still gunning
for us. Yeah, No, I think that's one hundred percent right.
I will say there were two bits of news that
I thought were interesting from the Vanity Fair piece. First
(08:17):
of all, again, let me just say it's a colossal
miscalculation that you would spend this much time with a
writer when his opening paragraph Bucks says nine people died
in the Jan six terror attack. Basically nine people, I
mean that's a complete and total lie. I do think
the fact that they reiterated yet again that Marco Rubio
(08:39):
is not going to run against jd Vance and that
he will support jd Vance if he runs. Jd Vance
is going to enter twenty twenty seven after the midterms
as I think the biggest favorite for a nomination on
the Republican side since go back in time with me
(08:59):
bod George H. W. Bush after Ronald Reagan? Would would
that be the I mean it will have been now.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm not saying that he's one hundred percent going to
be the nominee, but if Marco Rubio is not going
to run against him in twenty twenty seven, there is
going to be a patna of expectation surrounding jd Vance,
the likes.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Of did you just say Patna? I thought it was
pronounced Patna. I think it's Patina research P number.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
There'll be a number of expectation I think I pronounced
that one right, that is completely surrounding jd Vance, that
he's going to be an aura of expectation that he's
going to be the nominee. And then the second part,
when we have our our fact check there on my pronunciation. Also,
this I thought was kind of interesting. Susie Wiles absolutely
(09:53):
hammered Pam Bondi on the Epstein thing quote. I think
she completely whiffed on appreciating that was the very targeted
group that cared about this. First she gave them binders
full of nothingness, and then she said the witness list
or the client list was on her desk. There is
no client list, and it's sure as hell wasn't on
(10:15):
her desk. I mean for the chief of staff to
just I mean, she's right in all that, but for
the chief of staff to pull out a two by
four and just whack the attorney general on that. I
presume Susie Wiles set all that face to face with
Pambondy at some point in time too. But I did
think that was a pretty significant I kind of read
(10:36):
that and I was like, whoo, that was a pretty
significant two by four.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
But you have to also remember it is widely believed
Susie and Bondi have a close relationship stretching back to Florida.
It is widely believed that the reason Pambondi did not
get fired over that is Susie Wiles. So she threw
herself in front of Trump's very understandable rage at that
(11:03):
situation because it's totally unforced error. But you know, again Clay,
yes people are talking about it, so we have to
talk about it for a second. But I feel like
we cover it by just saying, or rather it is
covered the topic. We've gotten what we want out of
it by reminding the administration, that regime media. I know
(11:24):
that seems weird because Trump is the administration, but I
mean the forever regime, you know, the Democrat apparatus media
or will do everything they can to destroy Trump. They
have learned no lessons. They are no more ethical, they
are no more honest, and they really really want to
impeach him again, make sure the Democrats have the House
in order to do so, and they want to push
(11:46):
all of them. There's nothing about what Biden did. The
problem that they have with Biden is merely that the
border was so bad and he was so inept and
then so clearly had dementia that he costs them power.
But Clay, all the policies that were being written in
Biden's name for him, they.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Want to pursue all that stuff again.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They want to go right Vanity Fair wants to go
right back to the White House putting out statements about
how twelve year olds need gender reassignment surgery like they
want that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So they've changed nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I hope they have learned not to do this again,
but the fact that they had to learn this lesson
again is tough. By the way, big win for me
and the opener of the show. My pronunciation, according to
Merriam Webster Dictionary, is acceptable as both pronunciations are acceptable.
That is according to producer Greg's research, which I've always said,
(12:36):
Producer Greg is an elite research talent.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I mean, you go, you google it and it says
puck t nuh. So that is the American pronunciation pronunciation
I've I've never heard it pronounce a different way. But
then I've learned something. I've learned something new. But Clay,
I feel like we could take a draw on that one,
so you can.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Go both ways.
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Speaker 3 (14:31):
So we have a lot of stories that are all right,
Producer Greg settled down, settled down, all right, he's really
you know, the thing is back on this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He totally don't like me.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You mess with Producer Greg's on the fly research skills,
and you know, you might as well insult his puppy
or something.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I mean, he is, he is throwing down over this one.
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's very clear that they're that the most common Okay,
the most common pronunciation in English is patina, but there
is an alternative pronunciation, which is British English. Mister Klay
Travis of London Patna. Okay, that's from So it's cool.
If you lived in the UK, I would say that
(15:12):
makes maybe you'd go to the theater with your patterna.
But yes, it is tacnically both allowed in English.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And there you go.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So I was hoping we're gonna get the word police
to pull you over, just one last one last time,
write you a word pronunciation ticket at the very end,
and uh yeah, Producer Ali's dad is British.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's how he says it, but something something.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sorry, I'm sorry for just having a little class and
just a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Jeanna Saint cuax As.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I was gonna say, I like how the guy, the
born and raised Tennessee guy throwing some British English into
the mix.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Here, it's there, you go. Maybe I'm gonna have to
get a vet in the Vanity Fair subscription.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'm gonna be gonna be reading about all the high
class people that I didn't even know existed, And.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's gonna actually ask you this legitimately.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
If Vanity said I want to do a profile on
let's just say Clay and Buck show, I want to
do both, sit down both of us. Would you be
willing to do it on the precondition that we have
a recording of all the questions or would you just
do it and think that we could negotiate around what
they would ask us knowing that. I mean, look the
photo they picked a Caroline Levitt, I mean, that's just
(16:22):
they're just it's especially if you compare us to the
a very good looking young woman, and to pick that
photo of her, it's like they found a you know,
a large poor somewhere in her face and went to
like microscopic size on it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Look, I I think the only way it's a good question,
the only way you can do an interview with somebody.
So yes, I would say yes on Vanity Fair and
you say, well, you just criticized the White House for
doing it. I would insist that every interview be completely
recorded and that I have the ability to post a
transcript of the entire thing. And then when they selectively
(17:01):
edited my quotes to make it sound like we had
said and you had said, and certainly they would I
had said crazy things that are unacceptable, I would say, actually,
here's the full quotes, and everybody would read them and
they would say, yeah, that sounds like something Klay Travis
would say, that sounds like something Buck Sexton would say. Also,
I would do it because oftentimes there is an advantage
(17:22):
in being attacked by legacy left wing media because it
just reinforces the criticisms that we have for them. So,
worst case scenario, they write awful things about us, what
do I care? Best case scenario, maybe they actually managed
to do a somewhat fair piece, and it just increases
the number of people that might decide, hey, maybe I
(17:42):
should listen to those guys on the radio.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You know we haven't played yet that we need to
come in to get to it yesterday. But talking about
opposition media, Landman a show that you like verhaoh. Yes,
Kerrie likes it too. I'm I'm I'm wishy washy on it,
but I do. I actually haven't ever watched it. I
like the clips that I saw. I need to watch
a la The clips are the best part of it.
(18:06):
I'll tell you A lot of it kind of is
not as great as I think it should be. But
there's the Landman weighs in on the view and we
have that cut and you.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Should hear it. Christmas Spirit coming your way.
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
I appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I
wanted to play this because I've tried to be in
the holiday spirit. But the reality is everybody in New
York City's in trouble. Well actually we'll get to that
in a sec. But this is Landman. You referenced it,
so we don't forget. This is the Landman taking a
(19:33):
shot at the view. One of the things I may
do once football season is over is dive into Landman
Season one, which I heard was very good. But I
think they're on season two, and I believe it is
bad and has not been very entertained. That's what I've
heard from others. But here is the view shot from Landman.
It sounds a little bit like maybe we got some
(19:54):
Clay and Buck listeners in the writing staff of the
Landman Show.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Listen, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Whatever you want to write a book's when daytime talk
shows you don't like to view or something?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What's the view?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
A bunch of pissed off millionaires mentioned about how much
they hate millionaires.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And Trump and Man and you and me and everybody else.
I gotta be up there ass about it's pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You funny?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I jump finas like Park Church fin.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's no sound funny. It depends on your proximity.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
To the part.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So that is lamb Man A little bit hard to
hear that audio, but mocking the ladies on the view
for being millionaires upset with other millionaires are doing. And
uh we will continue to to follow that. There's a
press conference going on right now. Uh In I'm looking
right now and update Buck. I know you talked about
(20:55):
this a lot yesterday and we talked about it some
on Monday. They are having an updated press conference. Sorry,
that's the press conference yesterday that they're reacting to on
the on the Fox News. I watched all I read,
all the coverage and everything else. Are you as befuddled
as I am that we could be in a situation
(21:16):
where it appears they have no idea how to catch
this guy who was the shooter and even the imagery
that they potentially have of the shooter. I know we've
got some audio from that press conference. Let me hit
a little bit of that and uh and pull it
up here. H. This was trying to explain what's going on.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Uh. They say they don't have a motive. Cut three,
There is no.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Information that the investigative team has about motive zero zero.
There's nothing about even even if taking at face value
what one or two witnesses may have said about what
something was said. Okay, and there are many witnesses say
nothing was said. There's nothing about what we know was
perhaps said that indicates any kind of motive that is
(22:09):
related at all to ethnicity or or political outlook or culture.
There's nothing at all that we know right now about that.
And I think that that is a dangerous road to
go down, particularly in today's environment.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, yeah, dangerous road to go down. Just tell us
the facts. Man. By the way, I don't believe him.
I'm just gonna say this right now.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I noticed he started parsing there anything that's relevant or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Really, what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Explain to me why there are all these people that
say that they have heard that someone heard, and yet
now we're told nothing. I'm sorry, it doesn't it doesn't
pass the smell test for me.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And then she says, let me.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
This is the Rhode Island Attorney General saying, and this
is a question that a ton of you have been asking,
why wasn't there any footage? I know they keep showing
additional footage of this person. It appears to be a
five foot eight male figure, a little bit overweight, potentially,
it's hard to tell because of jackets and it's cold,
(23:15):
wearing a mask. You don't see a ton But here
is cut four saying why wasn't there better footage? They're
asking crazily buck people who might have had tesla's parked
in the area. Hey, can you guys check all of
your cameras on your car and see if you might
have better footage?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Here?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
They're asking for people in the neighborhood who might have
cameras to be able to help out. Here was cut
four trying to explain why there isn't better footage of
this shooter.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
There was a major addition put on that building within
the last five years or so, that that is a
modern building attached to a much older one in the back.
So it doesn't come as a surprise to me at
least that there are members in the newer part of
the building and there is video footage. Okay, so there's
the back part of the building, old part, in front part,
(24:07):
new part. The shooting occurs in the old part towards
the back of towards Oak Street, and that older part
of the building. There are fewer, if any cameras in
that location, I imagine, because it's an older building. So as
students are fleeing the area of the shooting into the
new part of the building, there are cameras in that
in that brand new building that show that chaos. But
(24:30):
the only, but the only, the only video of the
of the presumed anticipated suspected. However, you want to define
a person of interest, you have it. We would release
it if we thought it would be helpful and identifying
this subject. Because we are relying on the press and
(24:50):
public to help get us there, there would be no
reason for us to hold it back. We're looking for
the best image we can.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Dan got to follow up. I pretty sure thank you've
explained that, because really clarifies it.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Although I'm sure some people watching with think a multi.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
League school with the caging down and could have put
new cameras or nobody.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, I love that reporter following up. If you
didn't have you had trouble hearing him, he said, I
think a lot of people out there would say a
multi billion dollar university could find a way to put
cameras in an old building, even if it's an old building.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
What is your reaction.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You've done investigations on cases that you know involve these
shootings like this before. Does this strike you as as
crazy as it does me that we could have such
limited information. They also are scrubbing, evidently pages on the
internet because Internet sleuths, let me just say this, they're
not always right in trying to identify suspects, So that
(25:46):
could be part of this that their people are trying
to figure out. Looking at faculty profiles, looking at student profiles,
who's five foot eight, who could have been in that area.
It's staggering to me that we could be sitting here,
you know, five days basically after the shooting and have
no idea who did it, and every day I think
Bucket probably would become less likely.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
That we would figure out who did this. Well, yes,
that's all true.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And I have also heard from people who are following
the investigation very closely that law enforcement feels like Brown
University is being less than helpful in some ways, that
the university is clearly very concerned about the messaging that
comes out of this whole thing, or the takeaway, if
(26:35):
you will, because look, we all understand, right if this
is let's just say, let's just lay this out. If
this was a and I do not believe this is
the case at all, have to be clear, but I'm
just trying to explain why Brown is.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
According to people I know.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Who are talking to sources in law enforcement in Rhode Islands,
this is just last night.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was talking to them.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
That Brown is seeming like it doesn't really want to
just open up everything that it can and be as
helpful as possible. If the young woman, for example, who
was killed here had been a former girlfriend of the shooter,
you would have a you know, a situation where it's
clearly a personal vendetta that has no broader thematic anything
(27:22):
other than a horrible murder of a beautiful young woman. Okay,
if this guy targeted a Republican on the campus, and
again we don't know that, but Brown is eighty percent
ninety percent, ninety five percent maybe Democrat.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
The vice president of the Republican college campus was murdered.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
She's one of the two people.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And the president has come out and said that he
thinks it's connected to her politics because she was well
known on campus for having conservative politics. Right, President Trump? No, no, no,
the Brown president. Sorry, president of the Brown Republican.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, it's a lot of presidents. She was, she was
the vice president, he was the president. He has come
out and said, the college kid, who's the president? I
think she was targeted based on her politics. So you know,
I was. I was a college Republican, Clay, you were
a college libertine. So I remember what it was like.
You were doing kegstads for freedom.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I remember what it was like on campus. I was known.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Everyone knew that I was a Republican because because so
few people were, it was like a little tribe. It
was a little a little group of us that wore
you know, Sperry topsiders and blue blazers a lot, and
you know, we walked around tried not to get wedgies.
And yes, we we were the college Republicans. Everybody knew, right,
so everyone would have known or largely would have known
(28:52):
that this young woman was a college Republican if in
fact it was political, and as you said, the head
of their College Republicans thinks it was. That causes a
whole issue for Brown because it also raises the why
is it that the standards for what you can say
about Christians and Republicans on a campus. You can basically,
(29:12):
you know, chase them off, threaten them to do anything
you want. But if you were to say anything about
like a trans student, the university comes down and you
look a ton of bricks.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's obvious.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And we went through this also with Jews and Muslims
on campus in places like Columbia University of New York.
Brown is concerned about this is my point here. Brown
University is like, uh oh, this could be a real
issue for us in a pr sense beyond the horrible
double murder that took place here.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, and I just again, and I think a lot
of you are with me on this. It is a
colossal failure that this could be allowed to occur. If
you're a parent of a child on a college campus,
a school shooting is something that you would worry about.
I mean, I think in the back of their mind
people constantly worry about bad things happening to their kids
(30:05):
at elementary school or all the way up into college.
What are we doing that there could not be ample
evidence of all of this that would lead to an
immediate arrest. It's hard to stop somebody from being crazy.
But what motivated this guy? Why does it seem like
they're trying to fight so hard from putting that motivation
(30:27):
out there? And how is it that were reduced to
the point of begging people who might have Tesla vehicles
in the area to potentially share videos when I guarantee
you if you looked at the budget that Brown University
puts into campus security and safety, it would boggle your
mind how much they spend on this. They're certainly what
(30:49):
do we say, room and board plus tuition? The budget
average price now is ninety five thousand dollars a year.
If you can't make your kids safe enough to at
least get the shooter of someone on a campus arrested,
what in the world are we doing. We'll talk about that.
We'll take some of your calls, by the way, eight
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Speaker 3 (32:05):
Appreciate you being with us, and we want to get
to your calls, your talkbacks, all of that. It is
my last show, live show of the year. Clay will
be with you the rest of the week. I will
be nursing my vocal cords until I have to record
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preorder it now so you don't forget. And the copy
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(32:26):
which is going to be here so fast. It's going
to be here so fast, and we need we need
to sell some books, my friends. I need you guys
all to get it publishing industry. Claud I talked about
this story a bit from the guy in What was It?
Tablet magazine? Do you know what I'm talking about? Where
he wrote about like our generation, I'll include you to
(32:48):
be inclusive, our generation that was essentially blocked out from
a lot of opportunities as part of the DEI mania,
and how like boomers who talk about DEI they have
no idea, really correct, because they completely they had already
gotten to the points in their career where it didn't matter.
(33:08):
They weren't doing entry level hiring or even it's really
that second or third tier of your first promotion, your
second promotion, when like real things start getting going for
you or real opportunities open up. Yeah, I'm sorry, I said,
Tablet Compact Magazine, Compact dot Com. I do remember that
The Lost Generation, it is such a good piece, and
(33:29):
it's just so important because it really hones in on
they what they did to people was wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
What they did to a.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Whole generation of white Americans who are men, white American men,
is wrong. It was it was unconstitutional, which the Supreme
Court has now very clearly weighed on. It was racist,
and it was immoral, and people need to speak about
it that way. And this goes into chapter verse. The
(33:57):
reason that TV shows are so crappy is they're hiring
bad writers.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, no, I remember.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So what was so interesting about this is we were
being told people around our age, hey, we need to
have more diversity, equity and inclusion. This is unacceptable. What's
going on? And I remember looking around, for instance, in
my law school class. There were more girls.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Than guys in my law school class.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And I remember being lectured because we go to on
campus interviews and they would say, well, these these you know,
law firms have to hire way more women because it's
unacceptable what's been going on. And I'm looking around, like, what,
we're actually actually more girls in our class than there
are boys, Like you're yelling at us in this generation
(34:45):
who have had none of the benefits of, by and large,
a world in which was everything was slanted towards white people,
and then you're you're hectoring us as if we're have
this incredible white privilege. And I think that's what what
a lot of young men have finally reacted to, is
this whole idea of male privilege, this whole idea of
(35:06):
white male privilege.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's all a big bowl of bs.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And it's actually the reverse though it's even more like
the discrimination. I don't like the term reverse discrimination, because
it's just discrimination. Discrimination against white males and hiring was explicit,
It was real, and it really only affected one This
is the key because a lot of boomers it's not
that bad. Sorry Boomers, It actually was that bad, and
it affected people who are currently thirty to fifty. Okay,
(35:33):
if you're thirty to fifty right now, you got screwed
over by these policies in a whole range of industries, academia, Clay.
When I was the CIA, there were people with PhDs
and the humanities that I worked with from the fanciest
Ivy League schools.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You know why they were at the CIA with me.
There were white guys.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
They couldn't get Jops, you're a white guy who speaks
Arabic and you have a Middle Eastern studies degree, you know,
in a PhD from Harvard or whatever, you can't get
a teaching.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Job anywhere, Yeah, anywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
And it's because they explicitly said we're going to stop
hiring white guys. Same with Hollywood, same with you know,
a lot of this, by the way, in the lib media.
You look at the way, yeah, Jeff Zucker ran CNN,
so many of the contributors they were trying to bring
in all the time as women in minorities and the
whole It was such a focus on this. Anyway, I
forget what even triggered me on this issue, but I
(36:25):
got fired up. Well, it was the compact of the
article which is circulating now. We'll put it up on
Clay and Buck, you can go read it when we
come back. By the way, your boy, mom, Donnie, I
say your boy because New York City. Somebody's got a
stand up for New York City. He says that giving
people no charges on buses will actually make things way safer.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
That is crazy. We've also got a one hundred and
one year old Patriot that I think people will enjoy
hearing from. And we got a couple of guests coming
everybody's way. Buck's final show of the year. Go buy
his book.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
We'll be back with y'all es.
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