March 19, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck dive into the excitement of March Madness, with Clay teasing his bracket picks and a friendly wager on the line. They also discuss the latest developments in international politics, including Trump's recent calls with Zelensky and Putin, and the hopeful prospects for a ceasefire in Europe. The conversation shifts to SpaceX's successful return of astronauts after an extended mission, highlighting Elon Musk's achievements and the challenges faced by NASA. The hosts passionately debate the impact of Elon Musk on various industries, particularly focusing on Tesla and its role in the climate change movement. They address the backlash against Musk and Tesla, emphasizing the importance of supporting companies that align with pro-American values. Clay shares his personal considerations about purchasing a Tesla, underscoring the safety and affordability of the vehicles, especially for families with teenage drivers. The hour concludes with a discussion on the judicial challenges facing the Trump administration, as federal judges issue numerous injunctions against executive actions. Clay and Buck analyze the implications of these legal battles and the broader impact on presidential authority. They stress the importance of aligning economic choices with personal values and the ongoing struggle to balance executive and judicial powers in the United States.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. I appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. It is the Wednesday
before the official start of March Madness. I'll give you
a little bit of a teaser here. I am going
to be trying to follow the scores on Thursday and
Friday of all the games that are going to be
going on. Buck is going to have no idea, but
(00:22):
he has got his bracket done. I will finish my
bracket today and it will be posted at Clay and
Buck and there is a fabulous steak dinner on the
line between which of us will be better at picking games?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Putting my money where my mouth is on this one.
My bracketology may surprise some.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Of you very much. So, okay, we got a lot
that's going on happening in real time here. Trump has
just completed a phone call with Zolensky. He talked to
Putin yesterday and he just put out a message saying
there will be more details on his hour long phone
call that will soon be up. As we certainly are
(01:01):
hoping that we're going to get a ceasefire and working
towards peace in Europe. We will update you on exactly
what happened there positive news SpaceX Elon Musk brought back
our two astronauts that had been stranded for eight months.
I don't know that we've talked about this, Buck, I
don't know how you think you would do with this.
(01:24):
I would lose my mind. There are a few things
that I could not do. I could not get and
I bet we have a bunch of guys and gals
who have done this. I could not get on a
submarine and go under the water for like six months.
I would go completely bonkers and insane.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They have to do to psychological testing because of that,
and obviously people think they're not claustrophobic until they're put
in a situation where claustrophobia is a real problem.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I would lose it. I mean, if you told me, hey,
you're going to go underwater for a couple of hours,
I think I could do it. If you told me
for months, I would lose my mind. I give credit
to these astronauts. They thought they were going to space
for eight days and instead they ended up in space
for eight months. Whatever you do. Can you imagine if
(02:13):
you thought you were going somewhere for eight days and
you had to stay for eight months. I think even
on Earth many people would lose it over a situation
such as that. The fact that we have to rely
on Elon Musk to save our astronauts because he's better
at sending people to space now and sending rocket ships
(02:33):
to space than NASA is both an incredible endorsement of
Elon and an absolute indictment of our federal tax dollars
and what they have done. He caught up with NASA
after they had roughly a seventy year head start on him,
and he's now better at that. If you hate Elon
all of a sudden, you're a loser. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I don't know how to put it better than that.
This guy is incredible, and what he is trying to
do in the government. It's not like he showed up
and stuck, you know, stuck himself in the middle of
the abortion debate or or even the climate change debate,
because he's actually pretty pro climate change movement, right right.
He's just trying to help fix the government, which is
a mess, and he's the best CEO on the planet,
(03:17):
and he's better, as you've said, sending rockets than NASA
or any sovereign government on the planet keeping him. He's
better than China, he's better than Russia. And people are
burning Tesla's in protest. This has really been catching up.
This is there's more and more of this.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Let us talk about this, because I thought we were gonna
talk about something else, but but I'm really fired up
about this too. And I know you talked about it
with yesterday with Will Caine. I was just on Fox
News talking about it. You sent me because I I
don't know, I'm not we talked about yesterday. You and
I are not car guys, right, there are people out
there that are. So we are catching some flat for this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
By the way, apparently you and I like to get
our hair done in the back seat, maybe get our
nails filed. You.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not a car guy. But I
went downstairs yesterday after you sent me the Tesla Suv
prices or whatever you texted to me, and I went
down and talked to my wife because she's got a
big Escalade suv as many moms do. Because we've got
three boys that take up a lot of space and
(04:16):
all their gear and all their friends and everything else.
So but that car has been it's got over one
hundred thousand miles on it. So we've been talking about
getting a new car. One of our boys going to
go off to college next year, so we've got, you know,
some life changes going on. And I said, have you
thought about this Tesla a SUV? And so we're going
to go look at the Tesla as UV and I'm
(04:39):
inclined to buy a Tesla. Buck, fortunate to have the
means to be able to buy a car not have
to worry about the cost side. I understand that is
not true forever.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Can we just throw out there you can get incredible
deals on Tesla's right now, That's.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
What you told me, Like, I was kind of blown
away by how affordable they are. But I want to
send a men message that is the opposite of the
I'm going to key this vehicle. I'm going to light
it on fire, the domestic terrorism that we are seeing everywhere.
Whatever you think about Elon to your point, Buck, he's
trying to save every taxpayer money by locating and eliminating
(05:16):
waste and fraud in our federal government. Everyone, this just
hit you and I knew this, but the Twitter X
stock is now back to the same price that Elon
bought it at for both debt purposes and also individual
shareholder investments. The SpaceX is worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
(05:39):
He's Tesla stock is being attacked, and we'll play some
audio with you for you of that, which I think,
frankly is despicable. It's one of the most successful American
corporations in the history of the world. I don't know
why you would be trying to destroy it when it
is like if you're a climate change zealot, which all
these people claim to be, there's i'r reually no one
(06:00):
who's done more to try to fight the impact of
gas powered vehicles than Elon in the history of the world.
And so all of this is crazy, and I'm inclined
Buck to go buy a Tesla to show support for
Elon across the board and stand up against the fire
bombings and the terror attacks basically that I believe are
occurring against Tesla.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, this is very important, and we are going to
talk about the judicial coup here momentarily. Just you know,
we're very on this plan. I've been going back and
forth this morning on it. We know what a problem
this is the biggest challenge Trump faces, but let's finish
this discussion here about Tessa, because I think this really
does matter a lot. We used to talk Clay under
the Biden administration about the parallel economy. Really now we
(06:44):
should just be talking about the patriotic economy. Yeah, we
have now major companies, major corporations. I can't list them
all right now, but you know what they are that
have either been built aligned with freedom and pro American values,
or in some cases have realigned themselves with pro American
(07:04):
values and freedom. And we all make choices every day.
And this is not a Crockett coffee ad, but it
should be, or it could be, because you should.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, we're putting our money where our mouth is
on us. We're not just you know, speaking into the
ether and not having anything.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And people say, well, why are starting coffee? That's just
to get the business going. Crockett is going to be
a bigger business with a whole range of products and things,
but it's aligned with your values, It supports causes you
care about. Obviously, Tesla's a you know, a trillion dollar company,
so it's on a much much bigger scale. The point here, though,
is I think that we all should remember that we
(07:39):
used to on the right. And you know, Clay, I've
been doing this now for fifteen years and talking about
how we're getting kicked in the face by Google, We're
getting kicked in the face by Corporate America. We're constantly
being mistreated by all these companies. Now the shift has happened,
and now you can all decide every day when you can.
I know it's not always a choice. I know some
(08:00):
of you are going to come at me for still
subscribing the Netflix, and I should probably rethink that. But
when you have the option to support a company that
supports your values, like car companies, I mean, I'm talking
about the big ticket items now, not just the everyday consumables.
Do you step up and do you make the decision
or not? Now I know some of you don't like
electric cars, That's fine. I'm just saying there are opportunities now.
(08:24):
Carrie and I are thinking about you know, we've had
a couple of issues here with the internet in South Florida.
As you remember some of you saw I went into
the actually was power, not even electricity or not even internet,
but I was in the dark during the show.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Just everything went off here.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
But we thought about getting a starlink, and carry said
to me, you know what I think is a good
idea getting a starlink. And I said to her, yeah,
And I want to support Elon's companies because Elon is
supporting saving the America that we all want to live in.
He's not the only one. All the sponsors on this show.
And again, I know this sounds like I'm doing the commercial,
but it's not. They all stand with your values. So
(08:59):
every time you buy with them, yeah, you're getting a
good product. Of course, we have a lot of people
that want to partner with us, and we just have
no interest in like we won't take money from certain people.
We've turned down more business than we've taken overall. The
point here is we see that there are opportunities to
align your economic activity with your beliefs in the country
that you want to live in. And the other side
(09:21):
has known this for a long time, and the other
side acts out, and that's why they're burning Tesla's like Luna.
And it's not just the burning Tesla's. You have mainstream
clay like MSNBC to whatever degree that's mainstream anchors who
are elated that Tesla's stock is down substantially if you
care about climate change, if you care about the environment,
(09:42):
if you care about a great American is there a
car that is more American made than Tesla?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And so if you care about any of those things,
why are you praising the By the way, it's a
downturn in the stock. I would never bet against Elon.
I'm just gonna say that. But did you see what
I mean is, yeah, this is a moment of choosing
for everybody. So I don't think and I think to
your point. By the way, Clay for your you got
a seventeen year old, right, y'all got a seventeen year
We're close friends with the neighbors. They've got a seventeen
year old boy. They just got him at Tesla. He
(10:10):
loves that car and they love that car. It's super safe,
it's aligned with their values, and it can even drive
him to school.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's what we're thinking about, because any of you who
have ever been a teenage boy, teenage boys are the
biggest morons on the planet everyone out there. If you
raised one, if you have been one at any point
in time, teenage boys make irrational, stupid decisions. More than
any I really believe this that are dangerous. Teenage girls
(10:40):
also do all sorts of stupid things, I'm sure, but
teenage boys actually do things that are more physically dangerous
typically than teenage girls. Cars, like, I'm worried about He's
got a driver's license, but I'm worried about him as
you worry if you have a teenage driver. Anybody does.
A Tesla feels like to me, these safest vehicles that
(11:01):
a young teenage driver could be behind the wheel of.
And look, I understand, I mean, a car is a
big purchase decision, but look at what they're doing. And
your point, I think is a good one, buck, because
there are some things that are super third rail controversial.
If Elon was like, Hey, I'm going to tell you
I believe that we should have partial birth abortions, and
(11:24):
I'm just going to dive directly into something like that,
I can't understande that heat, you get that heat, I understand,
but hey, I'm all he's done is try to eliminate
wasting fraud in the government. And remember he voted for
Joe Biden in twenty twenty against Trump. He voted for
Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, the idea that this is
(11:45):
somehow a far right ideologue. He is just doing. He
has woken up. I really believe this and recognize that
America is on a perilous path. If we have a
thirty six trillion dollar deficit. We have to figure out
a way to balance the federal budget, and if we don't,
they are going to be incredibly profound consequences for the
(12:07):
most important country in the world that is this one.
He is legitimately and truly working day in and down.
I don't agree with the elan and everything.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To be clear, like there's a lot that I could
sit here with and say, you know, I don't necessarily
see it that way. But also he is the greatest
and most most impressive current CEO living at a time
when companies that he is he has built from effectively nothing,
have changed the world we live in. They are changing.
There is a space, a space spaced economy now that
did not exist before. Okay, outer space is now part
(12:39):
of economic activity in a way that was not. He's
doing all these things, Clay. What he is trying to accomplish,
if he is successful, benefits every single American, And I
would argue because of the reverberations of the American economy
globally really benefits the whole planet. Okay, so these it's
not just the Manx landing cars on fire. That's the
(13:02):
you know, that's the left wing vanguard, that's the you know,
they're lunatics. They've always been lunatics. But the fact that
the mainstream Democrat party has now turned anti Elon just
goes to show you they'd rather watch us all burned
down than allow somebody who likes President Trump to do
great things for all of us. And that's like a psychosis.
(13:24):
It truly, there's something wrong with these people. If I
swear to you, if Elon is trying to do this
for Joe Biden, we'd be sitting here being like, look,
Biden's an imbecile. I don't like it, you know, But
what Elon's doing is pretty good, you know what I mean. Like,
I'm telling you, if he was truly trying to cut
fat and wait, but the Democrats would never allow that.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's the truth. I agree. And this is going to be,
by the way, a story that is going to continue
to propel as we move forward. And uh, look, I
think all of you out there we've been saying it
for a long time. We build businesses based on it.
You should align your purchasing decisions with things that you
believe are good for the country. Right, And maybe at
(14:06):
some point the whole concept of a parallel economy, Buck
will be unnecessary because every company will just say, hey,
I want to serve everybody across the entire political spectrum.
Evenly we're getting a little bit more of that, but
we're not there yet. And Elon's under attack. And I
think if you have the ability and the uh and
the and the opportunity, I would just look at a Tesla.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I really would, Yeah, And they're They're phenomenal in a
lot of ways. And by the way, we are not
We are not sponsored by Tesla. Get anybody, I really zero, yes,
I would take I would take Tesla money from Uncle
Elon and sell.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You would be very happy to be Clay and Buck
brought to you by Tesla. We've never had a car
Ad on the whole company in four years, so it's
not like we've been you know, like nobody's come and
try to buy to buy car Ads that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Somebody who's making an amazing product and ideologically aligned that's
like a lot of our that is our sponsorship base here.
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Speaker 2 (16:28):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I just
want to set the table here because Clay is about
to take us onto a deep dive into what I
think has been rightly called by the President of Al Salvador,
a judicial coup here in America. That is what it
feels like. It is madness. These judges are trying to
on their own. The judiciary is trying to just throw
(16:50):
rocks and sand in the gears of the Trump administration
in unprecedented speed, in ways that are absolutely beyond the pale.
So we will dive into this what's going on a
whole slew of them just came down yesterday and we'll
bring you up to speed on that. Also want to
take a whole lot of your talkbacks, emails and calls today.
(17:10):
And I'm just gonna tell you right now, you're not
gonna get me to back down on this cobbler thing.
You cobbler gobblers out there need to join team pie
and stop thinking that somehow making it all crumbly makes
up for the fact that you messed up your pie
crust and called it a cobbler. That's what I'm here
for to speak the truth, and not all of you
want to hear cobbler reactions very justified. If my grandmothers
(17:35):
from the South, Southern Grandma's were still a live buck,
they would be saying, bless your heart potentially as they
bludgeoned you with their.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Cooking instruments that they used to make the cobble. They're
rolling pins, slapping me with rolling pins for my coble.
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Clay for twenty five dollars off. Welcome back in Clay,
Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's dive into this Buck
and I'm gonna try to talk as both the war
and someone who is unhappy with what's going on, which is,
by the way, for lawyers not necessarily an uncommon perspective
to find yourself in. So we have talked about what
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the Trump Resistance two point zero was going to look
like compared to the Trump Resistance one point zero Trump,
and I want to see if you agree with this
overall thesis buck Trump resistance one point zero was actually
primarily driven by the Democrat Party. They all lined up
their media allies in the legacy media. They put Democracy
(19:33):
dies in darkness at the top of the Washington Post.
They laid out a direct attack. They tried to argue
Russia collusion. They had everybody moving in the same direction,
the legacy media and the Democrat Party. There now is
a void, I would say at both of those places.
The Democrats do not really have a leader. They have
(19:57):
a lot of squawking from people like Jasmine Crockett and
people like even now Tim Walls will play some audio
from of you of him for you. Gavin Newsom is
kind of floundering around. Kamala Harris has vanished for the meantime.
Joe Biden nobody's seen him. There is there's a leadership
(20:18):
void of a substantial level right now at the Democrat Party.
Hakeem Jefferies is a shadow compared to the power that
Nancy Pelosi wielded as the head in the in the House,
Chuck Schumer is under siege in the Senate. What has
emerged as Trump two point zero challenge is nothing like
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what we saw with Trump one point zero. Trump two
point zero. The challenge is being led by all of
these federal district court judges who are deciding to try
to enjoin, that is, stop Trump from doing his presidential
actions at a level, frankly, that we have never seen
before in terms of what they are trying to stop.
(21:03):
And I've got some numbers for you here, Buck, total
injunctions that were put in place during George W. Bush's
time in office, six three of them were by the
opposing party. Barack Obama total injunctions twelve, seven of them
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came from the opposing party. Because twelve and eight years, correct,
are these are the years? This is their entire tenure. Okay,
Joe Biden during his fourteen sorry, during his four year term,
fourteen injunctions. Okay. These are tiny numbers we are seeing
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right now, Buck, numbers that are off the charts even
compared to what we saw in the first Trump term.
The numbers right now, I believe I have this accurate.
This is from our friend high at libs of TikTok
ninety six different injunctions that have taken place now against Trump,
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the vast majority of those injunctions eighty three having been
issued by Democrat appointed Federal District Court judges.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, here's it's been fifteen in a month, Clay, Yes,
in one month. Let me think right about that, right
in a sing Trump has already been president for four
years if you add them all up. This and to
give a sense to everybody of what these injunctions cover.
And I mentioned this the president of El Salvador, who
you would think, and you know, I gotta say, all
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of Latin America should be looking at this guy and
the miracle that he has pulled off in El Salvador
and saying, hey, what did he do? How did he
accomplish that? But there's not really and certainly the American
left should be thinking the same thing. Maybe there's something
to learn here about turning a country from an unsafe
hellhole into a very safe place where people feel prosperous
and happy about the future. Anyway, he said that the
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US is facing a judicial coup, and I got a
lot of attention. I think that's correct, Clay, For federal
judges just this month have ordered the following, the reinstatement
of all the US AID workers who were fired, Trump
having to tell a flight in mid air to return
to US airspace and to land here. The blocking of
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transgender prohibitions in the military. Did you see that. That's
the latest one, reinstatement of Department of Education grants. I mean,
this is who's in charge? Who runs the federal government?
If Trump can't fire anybody and change any discretionary spending
done in the executive branch and make any determinations about policy,
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who's the president?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, and this is super important to the Supreme Court,
we understand has ultimate authority on the law of the land.
It takes five Supreme Court justices to issue a ruling,
and that is the rule of the law of the land.
Right now, what we have is hundreds of federal district
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court judges that are throwing themselves in front of Trump's actions.
One single judge is trying to overrule the president of
the United States. And what they are taking advantage of
is an opportunity to try and run out the clock
when it comes to the Trump term and power. Because
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what they know is and we've told you this, and
this is why the Trump team is trying to move
so fast. You don't know what's going to happen in
twenty twenty six, believe it or not, twenty twenty six,
the elections are going to be here very very soon,
and by the time we get to next year, they're
going to be trying to really slow down anything that
can be passed in Congress at all. And Trump is
(24:59):
likely to be able to keep the Senate, maybe even
expand his majority in the Senate, but we're talking about
the House coming down to just a couple of races,
and the likelihood right now is it's going to be
very hard to maintain a majority in the House, and
so they're trying to keep him from getting anything done.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, this is this is the single biggest challenge that
Trump has to the agenda right now, and it comes
from it comes from unelected appointed judges who also really
suffer no consequences because of their lifetime tenure for completely
unprofessional and overreaching judicial dictats. And I think that this
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is the biggest challenge the Trump team faces. They knew
this was coming, He already went up against this in
the first term. But I'm not sure that we can
count on the Supreme Court to give the necessary relief
to this process, because unfortunately, Amy Cony, Barrett and Justice Roberts.
Chief Justice Roberts are institutionalists at their core, and they
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believe that there's some system that is run by elites
that has to be protected even when it is not
in fact conducive to the will of the people. And
that's a big challenge. This is a major problem that
the Trump team faces right now. I hope the Supreme
Court steps in, but the strategy right now is just
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slow everything down to a crawl via judges, and by
the time the midterms come around, will have thwarted Trump.
That's their whole plan. They have nothing else.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, and I understand a lot of people out there
because we had to talk so much about the legal
system with the Trump attacks, whether it was civil, whether
it was criminal. Let me give you just a thirty
second rough overview of how this process works. There are
a team in New York. You can look up the number.
I think there's something like eight hundred federal district court
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judges in the United States, A huge number. These judges
all have lifetime tenure. They work these federal district court
judges as sort of the single A if you're a
sports fan, the single A level of the court system.
Their opinions are then appealed to the federal district court.
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And there are thirteen federal district courts in the United States.
And I used to be an expert on this back
when I was taking the bar exam and studying for
it and everything else. But the federal district courts will
pull together multiple different state courts. So you'll have, for instance,
in the sixth Circuit where I live Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio
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is the sixth Circuit, ninth Circuit, for instance. And again
I'm doing this off the top of my head, is
the West Coast California, Oregon, Washington. You guys can correct
me if I'm wrong in our New York studios. This
is why we need a real time fact checker to
make sure I don't screw all this up. You appeal
to multiple judges at the circuit court level, so an
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individual judge can make a decision at the federal court level.
It then can take buck months for the federal Circuit
court to rule. And then above the Federal Circuit Court
is the Supreme Court, And there are cases where from
the Federal District Court to the Supreme Court, we're talking
about a year years that the prom That is why
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I hated being a litigator because it was so slow
moving and I just wanted to go, go, go. But
they are using the courts to try to stop the
Trump administration from doing what I believe he's been duly
elected to undertake. And so what you really have is
a argument about where does executive authority and where does
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judicial authority? Actually where is the line of power? And
what these federal district court judges are doing is they're
gambling that even if they get overturned, that they are
going to be able to slow down the gears of
government and keep Trump from being able to enact the
executive plans that he was elected to enact. And so
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you got all these Democrat judges that are basically throwing
themselves in front of the train tracks to try to
keep the Trump trained from rolling. That's I hope, somewhat
of an understandable explanation for what's going on big picture?
Am I too cynical about how the Supreme Court is
going to play into this? Do you have more hope
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than me, come on, lawyer Clay. So I was actually,
I would say optimistic, and I think I ended up
being optimistic for a good reason as it pertained to
Hunter Biden and whether they were going to let him
get off scott free. And thanks to Judge Mizelle if
I remember her name correctly in Delaware, that didn't happen.
I am very skeptical that Roberts in particular is going
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to be very helpful of Trump. Now, they were very
helpful of Trump on presidential powers as it pertained to
the charges that were brought against him. But the problem
you run into here is Trump's only got three and
a half years here.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And here's the other thing that was even though it
was Trump, and so that blinded all the Libs that
was certainly institutionalist in nature, meaning yes, they understood if
you can prosecute a president for things he does as president,
you don't like the whole system collapse and the president
recognized for every president in years into the future, right
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in two terms, when it's President so and so and
the Democrats freak out and they start prosecuting him again,
I mean, the whole system starts to collapse on itself.
In this case. It's not that you should, you know,
wipe away the federal judges or anything the judiciary. It's
that there needs to be a willingness to strike down
the overreach that has become systematic and intentional to undermine
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the executive branch at its core. I don't know, you know,
I don't know how they see that. I you know,
Amy Cony, Barrett good on abortion, bad on pretty much
a lot of other things.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So here's the challenge illegallybuck and this is why I
think they're having some success. A lot of this is
fact based determination, meaning where exactly the line is drawn
between presidential authority and judicial action is somewhat complicated. I
liked Steven Miller yesterday we played the audio where he said,
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clearly a federal circuit district court judge can't stop the
president from moving as commander in chief brigades around overseas.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The only thing that a federal judge can't do, apparently,
is stop a president from starting a war. Okay, well,
I'm glad to know that that's there.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But it is significant. They said that the plane was
already in international waters. The federal district court judge a
jurisdiction does not extend by and large to international decisions
made by the President of the United States. But does
it extend to all of these minute different details. Easy answer,
we don't know. I don't believe so. But asking the
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courts to have to shepherd all of this and determine
all of it is very complicated, and the ultimate goal
is just to stop. They just want They don't really care.
They just remember when Biden said, Bucket was very telling,
I can't do this, but I'm going to do it
anyway because it's going to take the Supreme Court a
while to rule on it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's basically this just like the obamaism. I've got a
pen and a phone, go around Congress. That's what that meant.
He was going around Congress even though he didn't have
the authority to do it. But it was great when
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Speaker 2 (34:27):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Uh, we're gonna come
back in here. Talk a bit more about the judicial
who underway, and also Clay shared some fascinating data about
where where people are on the ideological spectrum in this
country now by different demographics. Spoiler alert, white college educated
women pretty much putting their foot on the accelerator and
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driving this country, driving the the bus of America into
a tree.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
As fast as they possibly get. Crazy Buck, these numbers
are like we were looking at them, go in to
break wild wild stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
So we'll talk about that a couple I want to
get to some of your vip emails and also some
of the things you're writing in. Let me just say
VIP email from Jenny, Hey, just heard that you're thinking
of switching to starlink. I did that two weeks ago
because my internet service was terrible in rural Utah. There's
even a sale in the hardware right now. But I
wanted to support Elon as well. And the starlink speeds
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are insane, easy to set up. It's fantastic, I say,
do it. I think we are going to do it here.
So yeah, Starlink is another opportunity to Like I said,
we're not sponsored by Eline or anything. I just think
it's great. I will point out, but my wife loves Costco.
I don't know if you can hear me right now,
and I did not know this. Some of you have
let me know. I don't know everything. I mean I
know a lot, but I don't know everything. And apparently
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Costco is very woke and very woke, very.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Age.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
They're very committed to DEI okay, well now I know,
and we're going to limit the Costco shopping as long
as I can stay married.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Good good luck, by the way, good luck with that.
Good luck.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'm going to look. I've never just to be clear,
I've never even been to Costco. All right, I wouldn't
be trying to limit anything right now. Yeah, well, wife,
I don't know. This is a battle ground you need
to go on to. I think I think you're right,
and I'm gonna have to strike that from the record.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But but glint the transcript, so there's no.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Ass so we I but I will. We'll start to pressure,
we'll find ways to bring it to light. And you know,
because it's a legal issue. If they're pursuing dei policies,
they're a violation of where the Constitution is on hiring,
for example, and what the Supreme Court has said. So
all right, learn something about costco.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Here, Clay.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I didn't know because I've never go but yeah, I
want to stay married, so I can't shut it all down.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But we're working on it. You've brought it to my attention.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
We'll talk more about the judicial two here in a
second
Welcome in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. I appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. It is the Wednesday
before the official start of March Madness. I'll give you
a little bit of a teaser here. I am going
to be trying to follow the scores on Thursday and
Friday of all the games that are going to be
going on. Buck is going to have no idea, but
(00:22):
he has got his bracket done. I will finish my
bracket today and it will be posted at Clay and
Buck and there is a fabulous steak dinner on the
line between which of us will be better at picking games?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Putting my money where my mouth is on this one.
My bracketology may surprise some.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Of you very much. So, okay, we got a lot
that's going on happening in real time here. Trump has
just completed a phone call with Zolensky. He talked to
Putin yesterday and he just put out a message saying
there will be more details on his hour long phone
call that will soon be up. As we certainly are
(01:01):
hoping that we're going to get a ceasefire and working
towards peace in Europe. We will update you on exactly
what happened there positive news SpaceX Elon Musk brought back
our two astronauts that had been stranded for eight months.
I don't know that we've talked about this, Buck, I
don't know how you think you would do with this.
(01:24):
I would lose my mind. There are a few things
that I could not do. I could not get and
I bet we have a bunch of guys and gals
who have done this. I could not get on a
submarine and go under the water for like six months.
I would go completely bonkers and insane.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They have to do to psychological testing because of that,
and obviously people think they're not claustrophobic until they're put
in a situation where claustrophobia is a real problem.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I would lose it. I mean, if you told me, hey,
you're going to go underwater for a couple of hours,
I think I could do it. If you told me
for months, I would lose my mind. I give credit
to these astronauts. They thought they were going to space
for eight days and instead they ended up in space
for eight months. Whatever you do. Can you imagine if
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you thought you were going somewhere for eight days and
you had to stay for eight months. I think even
on Earth many people would lose it over a situation
such as that. The fact that we have to rely
on Elon Musk to save our astronauts because he's better
at sending people to space now and sending rocket ships
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to space than NASA is both an incredible endorsement of
Elon and an absolute indictment of our federal tax dollars
and what they have done. He caught up with NASA
after they had roughly a seventy year head start on him,
and he's now better at that. If you hate Elon
all of a sudden, you're a loser. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I don't know how to put it better than that.
This guy is incredible, and what he is trying to
do in the government. It's not like he showed up
and stuck, you know, stuck himself in the middle of
the abortion debate or or even the climate change debate,
because he's actually pretty pro climate change movement, right right.
He's just trying to help fix the government, which is
a mess, and he's the best CEO on the planet,
(03:17):
and he's better, as you've said, sending rockets than NASA
or any sovereign government on the planet keeping him. He's
better than China, he's better than Russia. And people are
burning Tesla's in protest. This has really been catching up.
This is there's more and more of this.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Let us talk about this, because I thought we were gonna
talk about something else, but but I'm really fired up
about this too. And I know you talked about it
with yesterday with Will Caine. I was just on Fox
News talking about it. You sent me because I I
don't know, I'm not we talked about yesterday. You and
I are not car guys, right, there are people out
there that are. So we are catching some flat for this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
By the way, apparently you and I like to get
our hair done in the back seat, maybe get our
nails filed. You.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not a car guy. But I
went downstairs yesterday after you sent me the Tesla Suv
prices or whatever you texted to me, and I went
down and talked to my wife because she's got a
big Escalade suv as many moms do. Because we've got
three boys that take up a lot of space and
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all their gear and all their friends and everything else.
So but that car has been it's got over one
hundred thousand miles on it. So we've been talking about
getting a new car. One of our boys going to
go off to college next year, so we've got, you know,
some life changes going on. And I said, have you
thought about this Tesla a SUV? And so we're going
to go look at the Tesla as UV and I'm
(04:39):
inclined to buy a Tesla. Buck, fortunate to have the
means to be able to buy a car not have
to worry about the cost side. I understand that is
not true forever.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Can we just throw out there you can get incredible
deals on Tesla's right now, That's.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
What you told me, Like, I was kind of blown
away by how affordable they are. But I want to
send a men message that is the opposite of the
I'm going to key this vehicle. I'm going to light
it on fire, the domestic terrorism that we are seeing everywhere.
Whatever you think about Elon to your point, Buck, he's
trying to save every taxpayer money by locating and eliminating
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waste and fraud in our federal government. Everyone, this just
hit you and I knew this, but the Twitter X
stock is now back to the same price that Elon
bought it at for both debt purposes and also individual
shareholder investments. The SpaceX is worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
(05:39):
He's Tesla stock is being attacked, and we'll play some
audio with you for you of that, which I think,
frankly is despicable. It's one of the most successful American
corporations in the history of the world. I don't know
why you would be trying to destroy it when it
is like if you're a climate change zealot, which all
these people claim to be, there's i'r reually no one
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who's done more to try to fight the impact of
gas powered vehicles than Elon in the history of the world.
And so all of this is crazy, and I'm inclined
Buck to go buy a Tesla to show support for
Elon across the board and stand up against the fire
bombings and the terror attacks basically that I believe are
occurring against Tesla.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, this is very important, and we are going to
talk about the judicial coup here momentarily. Just you know,
we're very on this plan. I've been going back and
forth this morning on it. We know what a problem
this is the biggest challenge Trump faces, but let's finish
this discussion here about Tessa, because I think this really
does matter a lot. We used to talk Clay under
the Biden administration about the parallel economy. Really now we
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should just be talking about the patriotic economy. Yeah, we
have now major companies, major corporations. I can't list them
all right now, but you know what they are that
have either been built aligned with freedom and pro American values,
or in some cases have realigned themselves with pro American
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values and freedom. And we all make choices every day.
And this is not a Crockett coffee ad, but it
should be, or it could be, because you should.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, we're putting our money where our mouth is
on us. We're not just you know, speaking into the
ether and not having anything.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And people say, well, why are starting coffee? That's just
to get the business going. Crockett is going to be
a bigger business with a whole range of products and things,
but it's aligned with your values, It supports causes you
care about. Obviously, Tesla's a you know, a trillion dollar company,
so it's on a much much bigger scale. The point here, though,
is I think that we all should remember that we
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used to on the right. And you know, Clay, I've
been doing this now for fifteen years and talking about
how we're getting kicked in the face by Google, We're
getting kicked in the face by Corporate America. We're constantly
being mistreated by all these companies. Now the shift has happened,
and now you can all decide every day when you can.
I know it's not always a choice. I know some
(08:00):
of you are going to come at me for still
subscribing the Netflix, and I should probably rethink that. But
when you have the option to support a company that
supports your values, like car companies, I mean, I'm talking
about the big ticket items now, not just the everyday consumables.
Do you step up and do you make the decision
or not? Now I know some of you don't like
electric cars, That's fine. I'm just saying there are opportunities now.
(08:24):
Carrie and I are thinking about you know, we've had
a couple of issues here with the internet in South Florida.
As you remember some of you saw I went into
the actually was power, not even electricity or not even internet,
but I was in the dark during the show.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Just everything went off here.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
But we thought about getting a starlink, and carry said
to me, you know what I think is a good
idea getting a starlink. And I said to her, yeah,
And I want to support Elon's companies because Elon is
supporting saving the America that we all want to live in.
He's not the only one. All the sponsors on this show.
And again, I know this sounds like I'm doing the commercial,
but it's not. They all stand with your values. So
(08:59):
every time you buy with them, yeah, you're getting a
good product. Of course, we have a lot of people
that want to partner with us, and we just have
no interest in like we won't take money from certain people.
We've turned down more business than we've taken overall. The
point here is we see that there are opportunities to
align your economic activity with your beliefs in the country
that you want to live in. And the other side
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has known this for a long time, and the other
side acts out, and that's why they're burning Tesla's like Luna.
And it's not just the burning Tesla's. You have mainstream
clay like MSNBC to whatever degree that's mainstream anchors who
are elated that Tesla's stock is down substantially if you
care about climate change, if you care about the environment,
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if you care about a great American is there a
car that is more American made than Tesla?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And so if you care about any of those things,
why are you praising the By the way, it's a
downturn in the stock. I would never bet against Elon.
I'm just gonna say that. But did you see what
I mean is, yeah, this is a moment of choosing
for everybody. So I don't think and I think to
your point. By the way, Clay for your you got
a seventeen year old, right, y'all got a seventeen year
We're close friends with the neighbors. They've got a seventeen
year old boy. They just got him at Tesla. He
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loves that car and they love that car. It's super safe,
it's aligned with their values, and it can even drive
him to school.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's what we're thinking about, because any of you who
have ever been a teenage boy, teenage boys are the
biggest morons on the planet everyone out there. If you
raised one, if you have been one at any point
in time, teenage boys make irrational, stupid decisions. More than
any I really believe this that are dangerous. Teenage girls
(10:40):
also do all sorts of stupid things, I'm sure, but
teenage boys actually do things that are more physically dangerous
typically than teenage girls. Cars, like, I'm worried about He's
got a driver's license, but I'm worried about him as
you worry if you have a teenage driver. Anybody does.
A Tesla feels like to me, these safest vehicles that
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a young teenage driver could be behind the wheel of.
And look, I understand, I mean, a car is a
big purchase decision, but look at what they're doing. And
your point, I think is a good one, buck, because
there are some things that are super third rail controversial.
If Elon was like, Hey, I'm going to tell you
I believe that we should have partial birth abortions, and
(11:24):
I'm just going to dive directly into something like that,
I can't understande that heat, you get that heat, I understand,
but hey, I'm all he's done is try to eliminate
wasting fraud in the government. And remember he voted for
Joe Biden in twenty twenty against Trump. He voted for
Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, the idea that this is
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somehow a far right ideologue. He is just doing. He
has woken up. I really believe this and recognize that
America is on a perilous path. If we have a
thirty six trillion dollar deficit. We have to figure out
a way to balance the federal budget, and if we don't,
they are going to be incredibly profound consequences for the
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most important country in the world that is this one.
He is legitimately and truly working day in and down.
I don't agree with the elan and everything.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To be clear, like there's a lot that I could
sit here with and say, you know, I don't necessarily
see it that way. But also he is the greatest
and most most impressive current CEO living at a time
when companies that he is he has built from effectively nothing,
have changed the world we live in. They are changing.
There is a space, a space spaced economy now that
did not exist before. Okay, outer space is now part
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of economic activity in a way that was not. He's
doing all these things, Clay. What he is trying to accomplish,
if he is successful, benefits every single American, And I
would argue because of the reverberations of the American economy
globally really benefits the whole planet. Okay, so these it's
not just the Manx landing cars on fire. That's the
(13:02):
you know, that's the left wing vanguard, that's the you know,
they're lunatics. They've always been lunatics. But the fact that
the mainstream Democrat party has now turned anti Elon just
goes to show you they'd rather watch us all burned
down than allow somebody who likes President Trump to do
great things for all of us. And that's like a psychosis.
(13:24):
It truly, there's something wrong with these people. If I
swear to you, if Elon is trying to do this
for Joe Biden, we'd be sitting here being like, look,
Biden's an imbecile. I don't like it, you know, But
what Elon's doing is pretty good, you know what I mean. Like,
I'm telling you, if he was truly trying to cut
fat and wait, but the Democrats would never allow that.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's the truth. I agree. And this is going to be,
by the way, a story that is going to continue
to propel as we move forward. And uh, look, I
think all of you out there we've been saying it
for a long time. We build businesses based on it.
You should align your purchasing decisions with things that you
believe are good for the country. Right, And maybe at
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some point the whole concept of a parallel economy, Buck
will be unnecessary because every company will just say, hey,
I want to serve everybody across the entire political spectrum.
Evenly we're getting a little bit more of that, but
we're not there yet. And Elon's under attack. And I
think if you have the ability and the uh and
the and the opportunity, I would just look at a Tesla.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I really would, Yeah, And they're They're phenomenal in a
lot of ways. And by the way, we are not
We are not sponsored by Tesla. Get anybody, I really zero, yes,
I would take I would take Tesla money from Uncle
Elon and sell.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You would be very happy to be Clay and Buck
brought to you by Tesla. We've never had a car
Ad on the whole company in four years, so it's
not like we've been you know, like nobody's come and
try to buy to buy car Ads that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Somebody who's making an amazing product and ideologically aligned that's
like a lot of our that is our sponsorship base here.
So speaking of sponsors, let's talk about tax season, Clay,
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I just
want to set the table here because Clay is about
to take us onto a deep dive into what I
think has been rightly called by the President of Al Salvador,
a judicial coup here in America. That is what it
feels like. It is madness. These judges are trying to
on their own. The judiciary is trying to just throw
(16:50):
rocks and sand in the gears of the Trump administration
in unprecedented speed, in ways that are absolutely beyond the pale.
So we will dive into this what's going on a
whole slew of them just came down yesterday and we'll
bring you up to speed on that. Also want to
take a whole lot of your talkbacks, emails and calls today.
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And I'm just gonna tell you right now, you're not
gonna get me to back down on this cobbler thing.
You cobbler gobblers out there need to join team pie
and stop thinking that somehow making it all crumbly makes
up for the fact that you messed up your pie
crust and called it a cobbler. That's what I'm here
for to speak the truth, and not all of you
want to hear cobbler reactions very justified. If my grandmothers
(17:35):
from the South, Southern Grandma's were still a live buck,
they would be saying, bless your heart potentially as they
bludgeoned you with their.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
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Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's dive into this Buck
and I'm gonna try to talk as both the war
and someone who is unhappy with what's going on, which is,
by the way, for lawyers not necessarily an uncommon perspective
to find yourself in. So we have talked about what
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the Trump Resistance two point zero was going to look
like compared to the Trump Resistance one point zero Trump,
and I want to see if you agree with this
overall thesis buck Trump resistance one point zero was actually
primarily driven by the Democrat Party. They all lined up
their media allies in the legacy media. They put Democracy
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dies in darkness at the top of the Washington Post.
They laid out a direct attack. They tried to argue
Russia collusion. They had everybody moving in the same direction,
the legacy media and the Democrat Party. There now is
a void, I would say at both of those places.
The Democrats do not really have a leader. They have
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a lot of squawking from people like Jasmine Crockett and
people like even now Tim Walls will play some audio
from of you of him for you. Gavin Newsom is
kind of floundering around. Kamala Harris has vanished for the meantime.
Joe Biden nobody's seen him. There is there's a leadership
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void of a substantial level right now at the Democrat Party.
Hakeem Jefferies is a shadow compared to the power that
Nancy Pelosi wielded as the head in the in the House,
Chuck Schumer is under siege in the Senate. What has
emerged as Trump two point zero challenge is nothing like
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what we saw with Trump one point zero. Trump two
point zero. The challenge is being led by all of
these federal district court judges who are deciding to try
to enjoin, that is, stop Trump from doing his presidential
actions at a level, frankly, that we have never seen
before in terms of what they are trying to stop.
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And I've got some numbers for you here, Buck, total
injunctions that were put in place during George W. Bush's
time in office, six three of them were by the
opposing party. Barack Obama total injunctions twelve, seven of them
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came from the opposing party. Because twelve and eight years, correct,
are these are the years? This is their entire tenure. Okay,
Joe Biden during his fourteen sorry, during his four year term,
fourteen injunctions. Okay. These are tiny numbers we are seeing
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right now, Buck, numbers that are off the charts even
compared to what we saw in the first Trump term.
The numbers right now, I believe I have this accurate.
This is from our friend high at libs of TikTok
ninety six different injunctions that have taken place now against Trump,
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the vast majority of those injunctions eighty three having been
issued by Democrat appointed Federal District Court judges.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, here's it's been fifteen in a month, Clay, Yes,
in one month. Let me think right about that, right
in a sing Trump has already been president for four
years if you add them all up. This and to
give a sense to everybody of what these injunctions cover.
And I mentioned this the president of El Salvador, who
you would think, and you know, I gotta say, all
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of Latin America should be looking at this guy and
the miracle that he has pulled off in El Salvador
and saying, hey, what did he do? How did he
accomplish that? But there's not really and certainly the American
left should be thinking the same thing. Maybe there's something
to learn here about turning a country from an unsafe
hellhole into a very safe place where people feel prosperous
and happy about the future. Anyway, he said that the
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US is facing a judicial coup, and I got a
lot of attention. I think that's correct, Clay, For federal
judges just this month have ordered the following, the reinstatement
of all the US AID workers who were fired, Trump
having to tell a flight in mid air to return
to US airspace and to land here. The blocking of
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transgender prohibitions in the military. Did you see that. That's
the latest one, reinstatement of Department of Education grants. I mean,
this is who's in charge? Who runs the federal government?
If Trump can't fire anybody and change any discretionary spending
done in the executive branch and make any determinations about policy,
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who's the president?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, and this is super important to the Supreme Court,
we understand has ultimate authority on the law of the land.
It takes five Supreme Court justices to issue a ruling,
and that is the rule of the law of the land.
Right now, what we have is hundreds of federal district
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court judges that are throwing themselves in front of Trump's actions.
One single judge is trying to overrule the president of
the United States. And what they are taking advantage of
is an opportunity to try and run out the clock
when it comes to the Trump term and power. Because
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what they know is and we've told you this, and
this is why the Trump team is trying to move
so fast. You don't know what's going to happen in
twenty twenty six, believe it or not, twenty twenty six,
the elections are going to be here very very soon,
and by the time we get to next year, they're
going to be trying to really slow down anything that
can be passed in Congress at all. And Trump is
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likely to be able to keep the Senate, maybe even
expand his majority in the Senate, but we're talking about
the House coming down to just a couple of races,
and the likelihood right now is it's going to be
very hard to maintain a majority in the House, and
so they're trying to keep him from getting anything done.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, this is this is the single biggest challenge that
Trump has to the agenda right now, and it comes
from it comes from unelected appointed judges who also really
suffer no consequences because of their lifetime tenure for completely
unprofessional and overreaching judicial dictats. And I think that this
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is the biggest challenge the Trump team faces. They knew
this was coming, He already went up against this in
the first term. But I'm not sure that we can
count on the Supreme Court to give the necessary relief
to this process, because unfortunately, Amy Cony, Barrett and Justice Roberts.
Chief Justice Roberts are institutionalists at their core, and they
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believe that there's some system that is run by elites
that has to be protected even when it is not
in fact conducive to the will of the people. And
that's a big challenge. This is a major problem that
the Trump team faces right now. I hope the Supreme
Court steps in, but the strategy right now is just
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slow everything down to a crawl via judges, and by
the time the midterms come around, will have thwarted Trump.
That's their whole plan. They have nothing else.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, and I understand a lot of people out there
because we had to talk so much about the legal
system with the Trump attacks, whether it was civil, whether
it was criminal. Let me give you just a thirty
second rough overview of how this process works. There are
a team in New York. You can look up the number.
I think there's something like eight hundred federal district court
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judges in the United States, A huge number. These judges
all have lifetime tenure. They work these federal district court
judges as sort of the single A if you're a
sports fan, the single A level of the court system.
Their opinions are then appealed to the federal district court.
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And there are thirteen federal district courts in the United States.
And I used to be an expert on this back
when I was taking the bar exam and studying for
it and everything else. But the federal district courts will
pull together multiple different state courts. So you'll have, for instance,
in the sixth Circuit where I live Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio
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is the sixth Circuit, ninth Circuit, for instance. And again
I'm doing this off the top of my head, is
the West Coast California, Oregon, Washington. You guys can correct
me if I'm wrong in our New York studios. This
is why we need a real time fact checker to
make sure I don't screw all this up. You appeal
to multiple judges at the circuit court level, so an
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individual judge can make a decision at the federal court level.
It then can take buck months for the federal Circuit
court to rule. And then above the Federal Circuit Court
is the Supreme Court, And there are cases where from
the Federal District Court to the Supreme Court, we're talking
about a year years that the prom That is why
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I hated being a litigator because it was so slow
moving and I just wanted to go, go, go. But
they are using the courts to try to stop the
Trump administration from doing what I believe he's been duly
elected to undertake. And so what you really have is
a argument about where does executive authority and where does
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judicial authority? Actually where is the line of power? And
what these federal district court judges are doing is they're
gambling that even if they get overturned, that they are
going to be able to slow down the gears of
government and keep Trump from being able to enact the
executive plans that he was elected to enact. And so
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you got all these Democrat judges that are basically throwing
themselves in front of the train tracks to try to
keep the Trump trained from rolling. That's I hope, somewhat
of an understandable explanation for what's going on big picture?
Am I too cynical about how the Supreme Court is
going to play into this? Do you have more hope
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than me, come on, lawyer Clay. So I was actually,
I would say optimistic, and I think I ended up
being optimistic for a good reason as it pertained to
Hunter Biden and whether they were going to let him
get off scott free. And thanks to Judge Mizelle if
I remember her name correctly in Delaware, that didn't happen.
I am very skeptical that Roberts in particular is going
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to be very helpful of Trump. Now, they were very
helpful of Trump on presidential powers as it pertained to
the charges that were brought against him. But the problem
you run into here is Trump's only got three and
a half years here.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And here's the other thing that was even though it
was Trump, and so that blinded all the Libs that
was certainly institutionalist in nature, meaning yes, they understood if
you can prosecute a president for things he does as president,
you don't like the whole system collapse and the president
recognized for every president in years into the future, right
(30:41):
in two terms, when it's President so and so and
the Democrats freak out and they start prosecuting him again,
I mean, the whole system starts to collapse on itself.
In this case. It's not that you should, you know,
wipe away the federal judges or anything the judiciary. It's
that there needs to be a willingness to strike down
the overreach that has become systematic and intentional to undermine
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the executive branch at its core. I don't know, you know,
I don't know how they see that. I you know,
Amy Cony, Barrett good on abortion, bad on pretty much
a lot of other things.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So here's the challenge illegallybuck and this is why I
think they're having some success. A lot of this is
fact based determination, meaning where exactly the line is drawn
between presidential authority and judicial action is somewhat complicated. I
liked Steven Miller yesterday we played the audio where he said,
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clearly a federal circuit district court judge can't stop the
president from moving as commander in chief brigades around overseas.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The only thing that a federal judge can't do, apparently,
is stop a president from starting a war. Okay, well,
I'm glad to know that that's there.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But it is significant. They said that the plane was
already in international waters. The federal district court judge a
jurisdiction does not extend by and large to international decisions
made by the President of the United States. But does
it extend to all of these minute different details. Easy answer,
we don't know. I don't believe so. But asking the
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courts to have to shepherd all of this and determine
all of it is very complicated, and the ultimate goal
is just to stop. They just want They don't really care.
They just remember when Biden said, Bucket was very telling,
I can't do this, but I'm going to do it
anyway because it's going to take the Supreme Court a
while to rule on it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's basically this just like the obamaism. I've got a
pen and a phone, go around Congress. That's what that meant.
He was going around Congress even though he didn't have
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Speaker 2 (34:27):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Uh, we're gonna come
back in here. Talk a bit more about the judicial
who underway, and also Clay shared some fascinating data about
where where people are on the ideological spectrum in this
country now by different demographics. Spoiler alert, white college educated
women pretty much putting their foot on the accelerator and
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driving this country, driving the the bus of America into
a tree.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
As fast as they possibly get. Crazy Buck, these numbers
are like we were looking at them, go in to
break wild wild stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
So we'll talk about that a couple I want to
get to some of your vip emails and also some
of the things you're writing in. Let me just say
VIP email from Jenny, Hey, just heard that you're thinking
of switching to starlink. I did that two weeks ago
because my internet service was terrible in rural Utah. There's
even a sale in the hardware right now. But I
wanted to support Elon as well. And the starlink speeds
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are insane, easy to set up. It's fantastic, I say,
do it. I think we are going to do it here.
So yeah, Starlink is another opportunity to Like I said,
we're not sponsored by Eline or anything. I just think
it's great. I will point out, but my wife loves Costco.
I don't know if you can hear me right now,
and I did not know this. Some of you have
let me know. I don't know everything. I mean I
know a lot, but I don't know everything. And apparently
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Costco is very woke and very woke, very.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Age.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
They're very committed to DEI okay, well now I know,
and we're going to limit the Costco shopping as long
as I can stay married.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Good good luck, by the way, good luck with that.
Good luck.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'm going to look. I've never just to be clear,
I've never even been to Costco. All right, I wouldn't
be trying to limit anything right now. Yeah, well, wife,
I don't know. This is a battle ground you need
to go on to. I think I think you're right,
and I'm gonna have to strike that from the record.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But but glint the transcript, so there's no.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Ass so we I but I will. We'll start to pressure,
we'll find ways to bring it to light. And you know,
because it's a legal issue. If they're pursuing dei policies,
they're a violation of where the Constitution is on hiring,
for example, and what the Supreme Court has said. So
all right, learn something about costco.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Here, Clay.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I didn't know because I've never go but yeah, I
want to stay married, so I can't shut it all down.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But we're working on it. You've brought it to my attention.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
We'll talk more about the judicial two here in a
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