September 19, 2025 • 37 mins
Buck Sexton dedicated the majority of the hour discussing the indefinite suspension of late-night host Jimmy Kimmel by ABC/Disney. He argued that this was a justified business decision based on Kimmel's poor performance and offensive comments, rather than an issue of free speech. Sexton framed the event as a market correction and a sign that corporations were no longer willing to antagonize conservative audiences. He contrasted the left's current defense of Kimmel with their past calls for censoring conservatives, highlighting what he saw as hypocrisy. He accused the left, including figures like Stephen Colbert and David Letterman, of hypocrisy for defending Kimmel on free speech grounds after previously supporting the "cancellation" of conservatives. Buck argued that late-night comedy had been in decline for years because hosts like Kimmel and Colbert had betrayed their craft by becoming partisan political commentators instead of entertainers who sought to unite audiences with laughter. "They've betrayed their craft. They have betrayed their craft of comedy... I cannot believe how narcissistic and just nasty people like Colbert and Kimmel are because, remember, there are people that would've tuned into those shows who just wanted some lightness and laughter at the end of their day, and they get mocked." He argued that the political left was hypocritical for defending Kimmel after years of advocating for the de-platforming and censorship of conservatives, citing past comments from media figures like Brian Stelter. A third argument was that late-night comedy had deteriorated into partisan activism, alienating audiences and leading to its decline. He contrasted hosts like Kimmel and Colbert with the success of Greg Gutfeld's show, which he claimed served its audience well. Buck cited a Wall Street Journal report detailing that Disney executives acted after FCC Chairman Brendan Carr's comments led to pressure from major station owners like Sinclair and Nexstar. He played audio clips of Stephen Colbert and David Letterman defending Kimmel to illustrate what he described as the left-wing media establishment closing ranks. He used a 2021 audio clip of former CNN host Brian Stelter arguing for "reducing a liar's reach" to highlight the left's contradictory stance on "cancel culture" and freedom of reach. He included calls from listeners who agreed that late-night hosts like Johnny Carson and Jay Leno were successful because they avoided overt partisanship, unlike Kimmel.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Friday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Our may man Clay take it
a day to speak to conservative youth up in Michigan.
So just me today, mister Buck the Buckster is a
man of many names, including.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
James, which is his first name.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We shall dive into all of the latest news the Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Kimmel not quite firing, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
But indefinite suspension, which sounds a bit like it could
turn into a firing. Some very interesting updates on that.
Some things you need to know about that whole situation.
We are looking at that as not only an indicator
of where things are, but perhaps there's a harbinger of
things to come in the media ecosystem. It's a new
(00:56):
world in this Trump two point zero. There's a new
sheriff and his name is Donald Trump and all of
his people in this administration. We shall discuss something that
makes me want to go back and pull from I
think it was the January of this past year, after
the election, Clay said, who do I think the Democrats
are going to rally behind, and there was a day
(01:20):
when I said, very early on, I know people will
say this is crazy, but it's.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Going to be very likely.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I think that AOC Alexandria Ocazio Cortes will become the Democrat,
if not nominee, a darling of that Democrat primary campaign.
And sure enough, already a story out in I think
it's axios here about how AOC is eyeing a presidential run. Remember,
(01:51):
I think it was a couple of days ago Clay
pointed this out. He helped me with the math on
this one. We're fifteen months out from this, We're not
far at all from there. This isn't oh, I'm talking
about who the nominee is going to be, and we're
years in advance of this mattering no, because they're going
to have an open primary and we can't have that.
(02:13):
You know, there's not going to be an incumbent on
the on either side obviously, so it's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But AOC, we'll discuss that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Kamala Harris's book making more waves because people are finding
parts of it that are well, maybe a little too
honest about some things, and that's a surprise isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I had to ask the team, do I need to
read Kamala's book? Am I going to do that? Clay
read the.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Jake Tapper, the Fake Tapper book about original Sin. I
think it was so he brought us out. Maybe I
should have to read Kamala's book. I'll see about that one.
So we'll discuss. There's also some very interesting, very interesting
details to get into about well, about the situation of
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these companies like Disney and how they view what is
going on, what is going on with the American people
right now, and how they recognize that they can't continue
to just antagonize half of the country. This ties in
to the Kimmel thing, and we'll discuss this. So we've got
(03:33):
some Harris stuff, some AOC stuff. Let's dive into Jimmy
Kimmel right now. I want to share with you here
is the heart of the issue is that he said
something stupid, that he's a jerk, that he is not
good at what he does, and that a private company
took action against him. The story that the Democrats are
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trying to make the center of all this what they
are trying to focus on. They're saying, oh, the first Amendment.
The government all of a sudden they care about the
First Amendment. They certainly didn't care about the First Amendment
during COVID, when private corporations were being leaned on, I
mean practically a metaphorical gun to the head of these
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social media platforms from the Biden administration saying go after
this person, shut them down, go after that person, shut
them down. And the Supreme Court, in a horrible decision
just earlier this year, said yes, sorry, you can't prove
that those companies did it because of that government pressure.
Government pressure alone is not enough. Well, it turns out
the more we find out about this situation.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It isn't even government pressure.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
This is just the people at Disney are waking up
to the realities here of the media marketplace. I bring
you my friends the Wall Street Journals reporting on this,
they write the following Soon after, Federal Communications commit Chairman
Brendan Carr blasted Late Night host Jimmy Kimmel over remarks
(05:04):
related to the killing the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
Executives at ABC and parent company Disney knew they had
a big problem. Kimmel, during his Monday show had criticized
how President Trump and some other Republicans were responding to
the fatal shooting. Carr suggested during a podcast appearance two
days later, the FCC could take action against the broadcast
(05:25):
licenses of ABC owned stations. Advertisers and affiliates soon called
the network expressing concern over Kimmel's show. Executives at Sinclair
and Nextstar, owners of more than sixty local ABC stations,
told network leaders after Car's remarks they would indefinitely preempt
the show starting that night, moves that would hobble the
program's reach. Kimmel had planned to address cars comments on
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his own show Wednesday night, according to people familiar with
the matter. Before his on air appearance, Dana Walden, co
chairman of Disney Entertainment, spoke to the host about his play,
and the people said after the conversation between Kimmel and Walden,
she and other senior executives thought the Stars approach could
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make the situation worse. Executives also discuss staff safety, threatening
emails on kimmel show, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Walden huddled with her.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Team and Disney chief executive Bob Iger before they temporarily
decided to take Jimmy Kimmelive off the air.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And informed Kimmel of the decision.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Look, this is the truth. Jimmy Kimmel isn't worth the headache,
isn't talented, isn't getting good ratings, isn't making them money?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And Disney made this choice, and Disney has a right
to make this choice.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know, this is so straightforward. The people who were
saying that this is.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
A free speech issue, hold on a second. I can't
come on this radio show and say crazy things. I
mean I could, but then my company, iHeart, has a
right to take action because that's who I work for.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
This is the reality. It's true of all the hosts
you know on Fox News. Now, if I came on
this show and said crazy things, and the government I
mean when I said crazy, obviously not you can't threaten
people's lives and things like that, but I just mean
things that bring you into public disrepute, things that offend
your own audience, things that are beyond the pale. It
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can't lock me up for that. That's the First Amendment.
That's what the first Amendment means. It doesn't mean that
the company can't fire me and obviously. And Disney is
a company, as you all know, that has made a
lot of very bad, very woke decisions stretching for quite
some time. And now they're trying to turn Jimmy Kimmel,
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rather the left, not Disney, trying to turn Jimmy Kimmel
into some free speech martyr. He's a jerk.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He's a jerk, he told his audience on Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Remember, we hit some new lows over the weekend with
the Maga gang desperately trying to characterized this kid who
murdered Charlie Kirk as.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Anything other than one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
As I said, this would be like saying, you know,
John Wilkes Booth, huge Abraham, you know, huge Abraham Lincoln fan,
big supporter of abolition and the North and the War.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I mean, it doesn't get any dumber. And it was.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So it's a lie on top of being deeply offensive,
and it just was really a last straw situation, right
it was. It was people have had enough of him.
And this is something that we need to be very
clear about with conservatives in the media. We have said
things that are factually true. We have said things that
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no person who is emotionally stable and reasonable would be
offended by and been fired or taken off the air,
or you know, whatever it may be, by these different companies.
There's been this doubles there's been a double standard for
a long time. But we have not argued that they're
can be there's zero standard, because that's completely unworkable.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's one thing to say, hey, I shouldn't be fired
from my job because I refuse to refer to a
guy with female pronouns.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Because that's just the truth. Right, that's just the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And if it offends the left, too bad, but that
is the truth. It's another thing to say that you
could go into your boss, or you know, you could
go on air and trash your own boss on the air.
Let's just say and expect that there'd be no consequences,
like that's it. You can't have a company that way.
It's insane. This is all very straightforward. But they are desperate,
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desperate to turn this into some big free speech. The
left doesn't care about free speech at all. They're the
ultimate authoritarians. They're the ultimate authoritarians, and if we live
in a society, they're the only authoritarians. If we live
in a society, we're only conservatives face consequences for speech.
Why would the Democrats stop doing what they do if
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they never suffer cons So we go to the mat,
we create an unrealistic standard of defending them, which would
be which would cover someone like Jimmy Kimmel. He of
course he should be taken off the air fort he said,
he's a moron and it's a lie and it's disgraceful.
But we're gonna we're gonna defend that when it comes
to a private company again, not the government. If the
Trump administration had, you know, sent in federal agents and
(10:22):
thrown Jimmy Kimmel in a cell for what he said, Okay,
I mean that's a First Amendment issue. Disney's saying, this
guy's a loon and he's gonna make it worse, and
we're taking him off the air because we pay him
a whole lot of money and he's not worth it.
That's called commerce. But Stephen Colbert, he doesn't see it
that way. Here he is saying this was cut three.
(10:44):
What a shock that Stephen Colbert doesn't see it that way.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Cut three. We're all Jimmy Kimmel played.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Welcome around the World, Welcome one and all to the
Late Show.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I'm your host, Stephen Colbert, but tonight we are all
Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
No, only you are Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
In that you, Stephen Colbert, are also a wildly overpaid, snide,
underperforming left wing jerk. And I think this is something
else you have to remember with all this, They've betrayed
their craft. They have betrayed their craft of comedy. And
(11:29):
I'm not that's not the biggest issue, but it does
bother me. These are people who are who have a
You know, I come to this show every day and
I think it is a blessing. The fact that I
with Clay. Of course Clays out today, but the fact
that we get to speak to you I view as
a gift every every single day, every hour. Believe it
(11:50):
or not, I really really feel it. I know you
believe it, but I really feel this way.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's a gift. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I get to do this for a living, and so
I try to do the absolute best job that I
can every day, and I try to serve you this
audience that rush built every day. I cannot believe how
self indulgent, how narcissistic and just nasty people like Colbert
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and Kimmel are because remember, there are people that would
have tuned into those shows who just wanted some lightness
and laughter at the end of their day, and they
get mocked. Their beliefs are ridiculed, not in a way
that's intended to bring people to laugh, but that's intended
to placate the sensibilities of a very small and very
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nasty contingent really of coastal America, you know, blue state America,
that isn't interested in laughing together, but wants to laugh
at because of their own insecurities, their own inability to debate,
their own lack of self awareness. And so Kimmel has
just been pandering to that, as has Stephen Colbert. So yeah,
(13:04):
they're very similar. And late night TV has been in
a decline for years because of all this. Conservatives have
been saying this, the right I have been saying it,
Clay has been saying it.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
All of us in.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
The conservative media, the right wing media, whatever you want
to call it. We've been saying this four years. These
guys aren't comedians anymore. They are crappy political pundits who
have people that also write jokes for them. So they
don't have the responsibility of having to be knowledgeable or
insightful about anything.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh, I'm just the comedian. Clown knows on, clown knows off.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
This is what Jon Stewart used to do, although he
actually was a little bit funnier than these two, and
what he did even more dishonest in many ways, but
at least occasionally you'd get a chuckle out of it.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But this is the game that they play.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh, you know, Jimmy Kimmel can go on the air,
Jimmy Kimmel can cry about Cecil the Lion and then
make a nasty comment in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And anybody who is a normal American is going to
see this guy and think that he's he's a he's
a good dude. He's somebody that you want to, you know,
cozy up on the couch with the wife, the husband,
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the kids and watch.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
At the end of the night.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Of course, not Disney figured this out, and Disney took
some action. Now we'll see what Disney does going forward
on this one. But I don't see this at all
as some First Amendment issue. I am not concerned about this.
I think that this has just been a long time coming,
and uh, that's that's where I'm coming down on it.
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to Clay and Buck. We're talking about the Jimmy Kimmel
indefinite suspension in Colbert. Look, this is about where the
national media is on these on these issues, or I
should say the national corporate media ecosystem is trending.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And it seems like they have started.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
To realize that letting people just wildly offend half the
country who aren't even drawing a big audience, who are
not even good at their job, isn't worth it market decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I like it. Cause and effect capitalism.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This is podcast listener Tom for example from South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
This is AA play.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It remind these people, will you that South Park got
a one billion dollar contract renewed and key are they
destroy Trump they goof on everybody. Tim Moll is just
not funny either, as found all the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes, they're just not good at this. That's the point.
This is very obvious.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I remember for a while, you know, Libs used to
make this argument too. They're like, well, if you were
more popular on social media, you'd have bigger social media
following Conservatives.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And then we found out that they were actually putting
their hand on the scale and an algorithm and shadow banning,
and so they were cheating while.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They were saying it's a fair fight.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
This was the early days of Twitter, for example, or
maybe the mid to early days of Twitter, perfect example
of this. You'd have these people you'd say, how does
I've never even heard of this some writer for like
The Nation or you know, the New Republic or something.
No one, No one knows this person is all all
their tweets are showing up. Right, they had a rigged game,
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back into Clay and Buck and we're talking here about
the shift in late night TV.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
You know who's not worried about getting canceled. You know,
it's not worried as Greg Guttfeldt and his team over there.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know why, because they're successful and a lot of
people watch the show. Those two things, of course go
hand in hand. They have a big audience that they
serve well. Right, they give them time and attention. The
audience gives time and attention. Greg and his team give commentary, laughs,
and you know, they fulfill their end of the bargain.
(19:39):
And so yeah, they're they're fine. You notice they're not
all worried about it. So why are we supposed to
sit around and cry tears for these overpaid jerks? And
I want to note too, people say, well, Buck, you
say you like the free market, but then you say
that they're overpaid.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, because these shows.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
In many cases are in from the actual financial realities
that they exist under. Right, you know, you can tell
me somebody could be a trust fund kid spending all
of mommy and daddy's money on Ferraris and Lamborghinis and boats.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
A lot of that going on down here in Miami,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And that doesn't mean that they have you know, I
can say, well, they don't have good financial sense and
what they're doing doesn't impress me. They have a right
to do it, but it's not because they're so good
with money. It's not because they've worked so hard. And
when you look at people like Kimmel and Colbert, there
were executives who decided in these companies to give them
(20:40):
these spots and to give them these contracts based on
there just you know, their whim And you can say, well,
where does all this money come from? How could Colbert
be running.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
At such a loss.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, because the Colbert Show is owned by uh ultimately Comcast.
So your cable fees that you pay for, or your
Internet fees if you don't have cable, or I know
this is bundled together.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
In by you know, tens of millions of people. That
some of that money gets siphoned.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Off like some art house project or something for the
Colbert Show to make up for the difference. That's how
it goes. It used to even be the case. I
might add that on the networks like ABC News and
the Peter Jennings Days and the d Rather Days at CBS,
leaving News and all this going back decades, those newsrooms
were supposed to operate or got were, you know, allegedly
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supposed to operate effectively at a revenue neutral level. So
it was like it was like artistic. You know, the
news that they were offering at ABC News at night
was not supposed to be a huge money maker necessarily.
The rest of the channels or the rest of the
programming was they offered the news as like a thing
that was a public service, almost right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And so you look at at Colbert, you look at.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Kim on On they I mean, they're all making like
fifteen to twenty million bucks in salary, lecture everybody about
how terrible Trump is and everything. But you know, I
wonder how much of these I wonder how much of
the money that these guys make they give to charity
or if they don't, if they don't care about high
taxes of Democrats. I just I wonder about that. Sometimes
you'll notice this, the people that whine the most about
(22:22):
those of us who want to keep our money from
the government's grasp are very graspy themselves when it comes
to their own money. So hmm, that's not a surprise. Okay,
here we have David Letterman saying, and you guys know
this one place with Clay, and I disagree. Clay like Letterman,
I don't. I think Letterman is a smug lib. I've
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never thought he was funny if you know his backstory.
By the way, the guy is a jerk. He's not
a good guy. And it's just I've always gotten a
better energy from I always knew Jay Leno doesn't dislike conservatives.
Letterman always dislike conservative Letterman always was.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
One of these, one of these types.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So here you have David Letterman stepping in giving his
analysis of something when he shouldn't be analyzing anything.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
He's just not very smart. Play eleven.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I feel bad about this because we all see where
this is going.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Correct. It's managed media.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
And it's no good. It's silly, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And you can't go.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Around firing somebody because you're fearful or trying to suck
up to an authoritarian, criminal administration in the Oval Office.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That's just not how this works.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You actually can, Letterman, You actually can the people I read.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You from that Wall Street Journal report, the.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
People making the decisions, the same people who were empowered
to overpay the likes of kim ol And for all
long time, I would say the likes of Letterman, but
the likes of kim ol And, And I know his show
was successful, but he had so much less competition too.
There's this whole the media environment has changed so much.
You have a lot of these people who you know,
like the Letterman's and the Katie Kirk's, like all titans
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of industry. Katie Kirk has tried many times to become
relevant again, and.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You know, doing podcasts or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
These people just managed to burrow into these corporate media
entities and suck up to the right people to get
the job they needed to get to get the perch
and the perks that they wanted at a time when
there wasn't free and clear competition. You know, you can
listen to me here on this show. You can listen
to a truly a million different podcasts, but you choose
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to listen to this show because you're smart and patriotic
and have just discernment and good taste. But there's so
many options out there now. It didn't exist before, right,
There weren't all these options for people. So if you
were able to just convince someone in power to give
you that job without having to necessarily prove your track record.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You could end.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Up being Jimmy Kimmel. You could end up being Stephen Colbert.
And this is so funny too. Colbert really came to
prominence by doing a spin off of our friend Uncle
Bill O'Reilly, and that show actually.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Was amusing sometimes.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But that's the only thing that Colbert has ever done
that some music is pretending to be a conservative and
he wasn't even that good at that, but there were.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Some funny moments on that show.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He's never been good at doing the late night comedy
show of his own, But that you have David Letterman
saying you can't fire somebody because you're fearful.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Actually, the same executives that hired Colbert could have hired
or hired Kimmel, could have hired one hundred different comedians.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
They chose him. They can get rid of him.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
They think that what he's saying is ticking off that audience.
They have every right every right to say see you later, Sanginara,
and that's what they at least seems like they're probably
angling in that direction. I also think it's it tells
you a lot that Kimmel was approached by management. This
just goes to the sense of entitlement too. Here's these babies.
(26:18):
They have no gratitude for what they have been given,
you know, the Jimmy Kimmel, this guy very easily could
be could have been somewhere and you know, like running
an unsuccessful pizzeria or something. You know, the fact that
he's been able to have this career. He's very lucky,
(26:38):
all right, He's very lucky.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Look, I think I'm lucky.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean a lot of you know, you're if you're
in this world of media and you can make a living,
and you know, we're not digging ditches here. You know,
this is pretty this is pretty light work, as a
lot of things go. The fact that he has just
no gratitude at all for it, and that when the
and throws his weight around, and that when the executive
to say, hey buddy, we got a problem here, his
(27:02):
approach to it was to figure out a way to
go on air and make it worse.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
He's gonna make it worse.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Not gonna issue some apology, no, no, gonna just tell
everybody what.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
He really thinks. You know, He's gonna stand up for
his beliefs he's a moron. He's a moron, truly, and
a lot of people told me this too. I think
it showed you.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Did he cry after Charlie Kirk was shot at any
point talking about it. He's talking about an American icon,
a young man thirty one years old, a husband, a father,
a son, a just a truly decent and inspiring human being,
just brutally murdered in.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Front of all of us. We all saw the video.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That doesn't move It moved me to emotion. It moved
Clay to emotion, and so many of you. That didn't
move Jimmy Kimmel to emotion. But the shooting of a
lion in Africa did that makes him tear up. That
is sad and that he will. I think he was
trying to like raise money for it and ever like
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animal conservation or something too.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
There's something very wrong here.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And Disney, which is a company that does have to
have a very big consumer base, made a decision that
makes sense. And that is that. Let me also remind
you all these people know all these free speech wars,
oh free the notion of Brian Stelter as a warrior
for anything, you know, I mean Brian Stelter is a
(28:37):
is a warrior for supersized fries, Like, I don't know,
what do you think this guy's are gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He I A I'm gonna talk about the first debabman.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Speaking of somebody who look, he had his job at
CNN on TV and you know, I don't like, I
don't like to be mean, but he does deserve it
because he looked like Jeff Zucker, and Jeff Zucker was
the guy making the decisions about who gets a job
at CNN.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Look at it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He's like a Zucker mini me, so Zucker saw Alter
and he's like that guy's handsome.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
We got to give him a show.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And here he is telling everybody back in twenty twenty
one when they were going after Fox News because they
were you know, their team was in charge. This is
Costelter now is all upset about what's going on as
our others.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh my gosh, the free speech, the First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They were saying this about Fox News and cable carriers
and consequences for Fox News.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Play clip nine. Well, some cry cancel culture.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Let me suggest a different way to think about this,
a harm reduction model. Most people want clean air and
blue skies and accurate news and rational views, and then
in that healthy environment that looks beautiful, then we can
have great fights about taxes and regulation and healthcare and
all the rest. The vast majority of people can agree
(29:52):
that disinformation about let's say, the pandemic is unhealthy. It's harmful.
So how can that harm be reduced? Well, big tech
platforms say they are removing lies about vaccines and stamping
out stop the steelbs and QAnon cult content.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
They'll do.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
These private companies have too much power. Sure, many people
would say yes, of course they do. But reducing a
liar's reach is not the same as censoring freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is different than freedom of reach, and
algorithmic reach is part.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Of the problem. Reduce it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
The liar's reach is not the same thing as sensoring
freedom of speech.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's not about reach. It's about speech, not about speech,
it's about reach.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Please please, First of all the things that people are
saying about vaccines, especially in terms of one, the mandates
were monstrous and stupid, and two they didn't even know
the vaccines didn't even work.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
They didn't oh, the.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Only the only vaccine that we've ever been told in
history get it, and you'll still get sick.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But you know, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You'll all still get sick, You'll all still get the
you'll all still get the virus.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And it wasn't gonna kill very very many of you
at all anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But you know, kill like one in ten thousand people
who get it, but sure get the vaccine anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Madness, madness.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
This is the reality, though, of what you deal with
with these democrats. They think that we can't go back
on the internet and find what their perspectives were on
these same issues. But a moment to go and we can.
And sorry, guys, our team's in charge now.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So too bad. You don't get away with the same
stuff he used to get away with.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Like I said, there's no constitutional issue here. Disney made
the choice, and the Supreme Court made it clear that
private corporation, if it just wants to be on the
good side of the government and makes its own decision
on something because it feels like it, well that's the
way it is.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So that's the way it's going to be. Too bad.
Too bad for Kimmel.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But the uh, the dozens of people who I'm sure
found his content super funny every night, they might be a.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Little bit upset. Too bad for them.
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Speaker 1 (33:20):
I want to get to your calls. Appreciate you guys.
Lighting up the lines. We'll do Eric in Quadline, Idaho,
what's going on?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Eric?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
My call? Yes, sir, have two points to make.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I just have two points to make. So I'm sixty
two years old and I grew up watching Johnny Carson
and then Jay Leno, and I never knew what way
they leaned, whether it was right or left. And you
know that that says a lot. It was a comedy show.
You'd had Karnak the Great or whatever it was called,
(33:57):
and it was funny. And my second point that you
may have covered as well already is that when Kimball
had The Man Show with Adam Carolla, they did lots
of skiffs. The whole show was pretty much misogynistic, maybe
racial bias, bigoted, and it was humor. And then all
(34:20):
of a sudden, he becomes holier than thou, and like
a typical liberal, it just becomes a hypocrite. Yes, So
that was That's what I wanted to say.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, it's not thank you so much. Totally agree with
your points, Eric, I watched. I can't say I was
a watcher in the like nightly sense, but I remember
certainly in like early in high school, in junior high
I would turn on sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
If I could get away with it my parents and
know I was still up.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I would watch the Tonight the Jay Leno Show, and
I enjoyed it. I always found it to be funny,
and he just he had a nice way about him
and that never felt like his jokes were mean spirited.
And so yeah, I think that's the way it's supposed
to be. That's what I mean by those other guys
betray their craft like they're supposed to really just trying
to make people laugh.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
And Jimmy Kimmel was going on.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
TV to make people who live in Democrat cities, you know,
or the the enclaves of Democrat total control, feel superior
to people in flyover country every night.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean, that was really what he was going for.
It's gross. It's gross. Uh, Kathy and Roanoke, Virginia, what's
going on, Kathy?
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Hey, I'm just thinking that perhaps this is all a
cracker barrel moment for Jimmy Kimmel. He was quote unquote suspended.
We don't know for how long. And now you know,
the gems and the left are frothing at the mouth
and making his name out there, and putting his name
out there is a good pr for him. Maybe he'll
pick up some viewers after all this is said and done,
(35:56):
if they put him back on the air. Personally, I
don't want the man, and I just think what he
said was reprehensible. But it could be that this might
work out in his favor.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I hate to think that, Kathy. I appreciate your outside
the box thinking. I don't think so on this one.
I think he's uh. I don't think he's gonna pick.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't think anything gonna say, oh, well, this Jimmy
Kimmel guy said a horrible thing. So now I'm gonna
watch him, you know, And I don't think libs even
find him particularly funny.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's because he's got to look.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
He's also got a lot of competition. There are all
these other shows, and they all stink. So the whole,
this whole world of these late not comedy shows, I
think has been, like I said, Gottfeld show doing great.
Don't worries about that because it's a good show anyway.
Thanks for calling in at Kathy, we'll get more calls.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
More on all this.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Also some really troubling updates on the ideology of that
Charlie kirk assass and we'll talk about it.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Friday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Our may man Clay take it
a day to speak to conservative youth up in Michigan.
So just me today, mister Buck the Buckster is a
man of many names, including.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
James, which is his first name.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We shall dive into all of the latest news the Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Kimmel not quite firing, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
But indefinite suspension, which sounds a bit like it could
turn into a firing. Some very interesting updates on that.
Some things you need to know about that whole situation.
We are looking at that as not only an indicator
of where things are, but perhaps there's a harbinger of
things to come in the media ecosystem. It's a new
(00:56):
world in this Trump two point zero. There's a new
sheriff and his name is Donald Trump and all of
his people in this administration. We shall discuss something that
makes me want to go back and pull from I
think it was the January of this past year, after
the election, Clay said, who do I think the Democrats
are going to rally behind, and there was a day
(01:20):
when I said, very early on, I know people will
say this is crazy, but it's.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Going to be very likely.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I think that AOC Alexandria Ocazio Cortes will become the Democrat,
if not nominee, a darling of that Democrat primary campaign.
And sure enough, already a story out in I think
it's axios here about how AOC is eyeing a presidential run. Remember,
(01:51):
I think it was a couple of days ago Clay
pointed this out. He helped me with the math on
this one. We're fifteen months out from this, We're not
far at all from there. This isn't oh, I'm talking
about who the nominee is going to be, and we're
years in advance of this mattering no, because they're going
to have an open primary and we can't have that.
(02:13):
You know, there's not going to be an incumbent on
the on either side obviously, so it's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But AOC, we'll discuss that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Kamala Harris's book making more waves because people are finding
parts of it that are well, maybe a little too
honest about some things, and that's a surprise isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I had to ask the team, do I need to
read Kamala's book? Am I going to do that? Clay
read the.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Jake Tapper, the Fake Tapper book about original Sin. I
think it was so he brought us out. Maybe I
should have to read Kamala's book. I'll see about that one.
So we'll discuss. There's also some very interesting, very interesting
details to get into about well, about the situation of
(03:11):
these companies like Disney and how they view what is
going on, what is going on with the American people
right now, and how they recognize that they can't continue
to just antagonize half of the country. This ties in
to the Kimmel thing, and we'll discuss this. So we've got
(03:33):
some Harris stuff, some AOC stuff. Let's dive into Jimmy
Kimmel right now. I want to share with you here
is the heart of the issue is that he said
something stupid, that he's a jerk, that he is not
good at what he does, and that a private company
took action against him. The story that the Democrats are
(03:53):
trying to make the center of all this what they
are trying to focus on. They're saying, oh, the first Amendment.
The government all of a sudden they care about the
First Amendment. They certainly didn't care about the First Amendment
during COVID, when private corporations were being leaned on, I
mean practically a metaphorical gun to the head of these
(04:16):
social media platforms from the Biden administration saying go after
this person, shut them down, go after that person, shut
them down. And the Supreme Court, in a horrible decision
just earlier this year, said yes, sorry, you can't prove
that those companies did it because of that government pressure.
Government pressure alone is not enough. Well, it turns out
the more we find out about this situation.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It isn't even government pressure.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
This is just the people at Disney are waking up
to the realities here of the media marketplace. I bring
you my friends the Wall Street Journals reporting on this,
they write the following Soon after, Federal Communications commit Chairman
Brendan Carr blasted Late Night host Jimmy Kimmel over remarks
(05:04):
related to the killing the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
Executives at ABC and parent company Disney knew they had
a big problem. Kimmel, during his Monday show had criticized
how President Trump and some other Republicans were responding to
the fatal shooting. Carr suggested during a podcast appearance two
days later, the FCC could take action against the broadcast
(05:25):
licenses of ABC owned stations. Advertisers and affiliates soon called
the network expressing concern over Kimmel's show. Executives at Sinclair
and Nextstar, owners of more than sixty local ABC stations,
told network leaders after Car's remarks they would indefinitely preempt
the show starting that night, moves that would hobble the
program's reach. Kimmel had planned to address cars comments on
(05:48):
his own show Wednesday night, according to people familiar with
the matter. Before his on air appearance, Dana Walden, co
chairman of Disney Entertainment, spoke to the host about his play,
and the people said after the conversation between Kimmel and Walden,
she and other senior executives thought the Stars approach could
(06:08):
make the situation worse. Executives also discuss staff safety, threatening
emails on kimmel show, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Walden huddled with her.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Team and Disney chief executive Bob Iger before they temporarily
decided to take Jimmy Kimmelive off the air.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And informed Kimmel of the decision.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Look, this is the truth. Jimmy Kimmel isn't worth the headache,
isn't talented, isn't getting good ratings, isn't making them money?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And Disney made this choice, and Disney has a right
to make this choice.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know, this is so straightforward. The people who were
saying that this is.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
A free speech issue, hold on a second. I can't
come on this radio show and say crazy things. I
mean I could, but then my company, iHeart, has a
right to take action because that's who I work for.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
This is the reality. It's true of all the hosts
you know on Fox News. Now, if I came on
this show and said crazy things, and the government I
mean when I said crazy, obviously not you can't threaten
people's lives and things like that, but I just mean
things that bring you into public disrepute, things that offend
your own audience, things that are beyond the pale. It
(07:26):
can't lock me up for that. That's the First Amendment.
That's what the first Amendment means. It doesn't mean that
the company can't fire me and obviously. And Disney is
a company, as you all know, that has made a
lot of very bad, very woke decisions stretching for quite
some time. And now they're trying to turn Jimmy Kimmel,
(07:47):
rather the left, not Disney, trying to turn Jimmy Kimmel
into some free speech martyr. He's a jerk.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He's a jerk, he told his audience on Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Remember, we hit some new lows over the weekend with
the Maga gang desperately trying to characterized this kid who
murdered Charlie Kirk as.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Anything other than one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
As I said, this would be like saying, you know,
John Wilkes Booth, huge Abraham, you know, huge Abraham Lincoln fan,
big supporter of abolition and the North and the War.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I mean, it doesn't get any dumber. And it was.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So it's a lie on top of being deeply offensive,
and it just was really a last straw situation, right
it was. It was people have had enough of him.
And this is something that we need to be very
clear about with conservatives in the media. We have said
things that are factually true. We have said things that
(08:42):
no person who is emotionally stable and reasonable would be
offended by and been fired or taken off the air,
or you know, whatever it may be, by these different companies.
There's been this doubles there's been a double standard for
a long time. But we have not argued that they're
can be there's zero standard, because that's completely unworkable.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's one thing to say, hey, I shouldn't be fired
from my job because I refuse to refer to a
guy with female pronouns.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Because that's just the truth. Right, that's just the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And if it offends the left, too bad, but that
is the truth. It's another thing to say that you
could go into your boss, or you know, you could
go on air and trash your own boss on the air.
Let's just say and expect that there'd be no consequences,
like that's it. You can't have a company that way.
It's insane. This is all very straightforward. But they are desperate,
(09:38):
desperate to turn this into some big free speech. The
left doesn't care about free speech at all. They're the
ultimate authoritarians. They're the ultimate authoritarians, and if we live
in a society, they're the only authoritarians. If we live
in a society, we're only conservatives face consequences for speech.
Why would the Democrats stop doing what they do if
(10:00):
they never suffer cons So we go to the mat,
we create an unrealistic standard of defending them, which would
be which would cover someone like Jimmy Kimmel. He of
course he should be taken off the air fort he said,
he's a moron and it's a lie and it's disgraceful.
But we're gonna we're gonna defend that when it comes
to a private company again, not the government. If the
Trump administration had, you know, sent in federal agents and
(10:22):
thrown Jimmy Kimmel in a cell for what he said, Okay,
I mean that's a First Amendment issue. Disney's saying, this
guy's a loon and he's gonna make it worse, and
we're taking him off the air because we pay him
a whole lot of money and he's not worth it.
That's called commerce. But Stephen Colbert, he doesn't see it
that way. Here he is saying this was cut three.
(10:44):
What a shock that Stephen Colbert doesn't see it that way.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Cut three. We're all Jimmy Kimmel played.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Welcome around the World, Welcome one and all to the
Late Show.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I'm your host, Stephen Colbert, but tonight we are all
Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
No, only you are Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
In that you, Stephen Colbert, are also a wildly overpaid, snide,
underperforming left wing jerk. And I think this is something
else you have to remember with all this, They've betrayed
their craft. They have betrayed their craft of comedy. And
(11:29):
I'm not that's not the biggest issue, but it does
bother me. These are people who are who have a
You know, I come to this show every day and
I think it is a blessing. The fact that I
with Clay. Of course Clays out today, but the fact
that we get to speak to you I view as
a gift every every single day, every hour. Believe it
(11:50):
or not, I really really feel it. I know you
believe it, but I really feel this way.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's a gift. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I get to do this for a living, and so
I try to do the absolute best job that I
can every day, and I try to serve you this
audience that rush built every day. I cannot believe how
self indulgent, how narcissistic and just nasty people like Colbert
(12:16):
and Kimmel are because remember, there are people that would
have tuned into those shows who just wanted some lightness
and laughter at the end of their day, and they
get mocked. Their beliefs are ridiculed, not in a way
that's intended to bring people to laugh, but that's intended
to placate the sensibilities of a very small and very
(12:41):
nasty contingent really of coastal America, you know, blue state America,
that isn't interested in laughing together, but wants to laugh
at because of their own insecurities, their own inability to debate,
their own lack of self awareness. And so Kimmel has
just been pandering to that, as has Stephen Colbert. So yeah,
(13:04):
they're very similar. And late night TV has been in
a decline for years because of all this. Conservatives have
been saying this, the right I have been saying it,
Clay has been saying it.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
All of us in.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
The conservative media, the right wing media, whatever you want
to call it. We've been saying this four years. These
guys aren't comedians anymore. They are crappy political pundits who
have people that also write jokes for them. So they
don't have the responsibility of having to be knowledgeable or
insightful about anything.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh, I'm just the comedian. Clown knows on, clown knows off.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
This is what Jon Stewart used to do, although he
actually was a little bit funnier than these two, and
what he did even more dishonest in many ways, but
at least occasionally you'd get a chuckle out of it.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But this is the game that they play.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh, you know, Jimmy Kimmel can go on the air,
Jimmy Kimmel can cry about Cecil the Lion and then
make a nasty comment in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And anybody who is a normal American is going to
see this guy and think that he's he's a he's
a good dude. He's somebody that you want to, you know,
cozy up on the couch with the wife, the husband,
(14:11):
the kids and watch.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
At the end of the night.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Of course, not Disney figured this out, and Disney took
some action. Now we'll see what Disney does going forward
on this one. But I don't see this at all
as some First Amendment issue. I am not concerned about this.
I think that this has just been a long time coming,
and uh, that's that's where I'm coming down on it.
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to Clay and Buck. We're talking about the Jimmy Kimmel
indefinite suspension in Colbert. Look, this is about where the
national media is on these on these issues, or I
should say the national corporate media ecosystem is trending.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And it seems like they have started.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
To realize that letting people just wildly offend half the
country who aren't even drawing a big audience, who are
not even good at their job, isn't worth it market decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I like it. Cause and effect capitalism.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This is podcast listener Tom for example from South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
This is AA play.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
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not funny either, as found all the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes, they're just not good at this. That's the point.
This is very obvious.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I remember for a while, you know, Libs used to
make this argument too. They're like, well, if you were
more popular on social media, you'd have bigger social media
following Conservatives.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And then we found out that they were actually putting
their hand on the scale and an algorithm and shadow banning,
and so they were cheating while.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They were saying it's a fair fight.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
This was the early days of Twitter, for example, or
maybe the mid to early days of Twitter, perfect example
of this. You'd have these people you'd say, how does
I've never even heard of this some writer for like
The Nation or you know, the New Republic or something.
No one, No one knows this person is all all
their tweets are showing up. Right, they had a rigged game,
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the shift in late night TV.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
You know who's not worried about getting canceled. You know,
it's not worried as Greg Guttfeldt and his team over there.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know why, because they're successful and a lot of
people watch the show. Those two things, of course go
hand in hand. They have a big audience that they
serve well. Right, they give them time and attention. The
audience gives time and attention. Greg and his team give commentary, laughs,
and you know, they fulfill their end of the bargain.
(19:39):
And so yeah, they're they're fine. You notice they're not
all worried about it. So why are we supposed to
sit around and cry tears for these overpaid jerks? And
I want to note too, people say, well, Buck, you
say you like the free market, but then you say
that they're overpaid.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, because these shows.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
In many cases are in from the actual financial realities
that they exist under. Right, you know, you can tell
me somebody could be a trust fund kid spending all
of mommy and daddy's money on Ferraris and Lamborghinis and boats.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
A lot of that going on down here in Miami,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And that doesn't mean that they have you know, I
can say, well, they don't have good financial sense and
what they're doing doesn't impress me. They have a right
to do it, but it's not because they're so good
with money. It's not because they've worked so hard. And
when you look at people like Kimmel and Colbert, there
were executives who decided in these companies to give them
(20:40):
these spots and to give them these contracts based on
there just you know, their whim And you can say, well,
where does all this money come from? How could Colbert
be running.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
At such a loss.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, because the Colbert Show is owned by uh ultimately Comcast.
So your cable fees that you pay for, or your
Internet fees if you don't have cable, or I know
this is bundled together.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
In by you know, tens of millions of people. That
some of that money gets siphoned.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Off like some art house project or something for the
Colbert Show to make up for the difference. That's how
it goes. It used to even be the case. I
might add that on the networks like ABC News and
the Peter Jennings Days and the d Rather Days at CBS,
leaving News and all this going back decades, those newsrooms
were supposed to operate or got were, you know, allegedly
(21:34):
supposed to operate effectively at a revenue neutral level. So
it was like it was like artistic. You know, the
news that they were offering at ABC News at night
was not supposed to be a huge money maker necessarily.
The rest of the channels or the rest of the
programming was they offered the news as like a thing
that was a public service, almost right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And so you look at at Colbert, you look at.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Kim on On they I mean, they're all making like
fifteen to twenty million bucks in salary, lecture everybody about
how terrible Trump is and everything. But you know, I
wonder how much of these I wonder how much of
the money that these guys make they give to charity
or if they don't, if they don't care about high
taxes of Democrats. I just I wonder about that. Sometimes
you'll notice this, the people that whine the most about
(22:22):
those of us who want to keep our money from
the government's grasp are very graspy themselves when it comes
to their own money. So hmm, that's not a surprise. Okay,
here we have David Letterman saying, and you guys know
this one place with Clay, and I disagree. Clay like Letterman,
I don't. I think Letterman is a smug lib. I've
(22:44):
never thought he was funny if you know his backstory.
By the way, the guy is a jerk. He's not
a good guy. And it's just I've always gotten a
better energy from I always knew Jay Leno doesn't dislike conservatives.
Letterman always dislike conservative Letterman always was.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
One of these, one of these types.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So here you have David Letterman stepping in giving his
analysis of something when he shouldn't be analyzing anything.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
He's just not very smart. Play eleven.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I feel bad about this because we all see where
this is going.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Correct. It's managed media.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
And it's no good. It's silly, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And you can't go.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Around firing somebody because you're fearful or trying to suck
up to an authoritarian, criminal administration in the Oval Office.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That's just not how this works.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You actually can, Letterman, You actually can the people I read.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You from that Wall Street Journal report, the.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
People making the decisions, the same people who were empowered
to overpay the likes of kim ol And for all
long time, I would say the likes of Letterman, but
the likes of kim ol And, And I know his show
was successful, but he had so much less competition too.
There's this whole the media environment has changed so much.
You have a lot of these people who you know,
like the Letterman's and the Katie Kirk's, like all titans
(24:13):
of industry. Katie Kirk has tried many times to become
relevant again, and.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You know, doing podcasts or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
These people just managed to burrow into these corporate media
entities and suck up to the right people to get
the job they needed to get to get the perch
and the perks that they wanted at a time when
there wasn't free and clear competition. You know, you can
listen to me here on this show. You can listen
to a truly a million different podcasts, but you choose
(24:43):
to listen to this show because you're smart and patriotic
and have just discernment and good taste. But there's so
many options out there now. It didn't exist before, right,
There weren't all these options for people. So if you
were able to just convince someone in power to give
you that job without having to necessarily prove your track record.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You could end.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Up being Jimmy Kimmel. You could end up being Stephen Colbert.
And this is so funny too. Colbert really came to
prominence by doing a spin off of our friend Uncle
Bill O'Reilly, and that show actually.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Was amusing sometimes.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But that's the only thing that Colbert has ever done
that some music is pretending to be a conservative and
he wasn't even that good at that, but there were.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Some funny moments on that show.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He's never been good at doing the late night comedy
show of his own, But that you have David Letterman
saying you can't fire somebody because you're fearful.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Actually, the same executives that hired Colbert could have hired
or hired Kimmel, could have hired one hundred different comedians.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
They chose him. They can get rid of him.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
They think that what he's saying is ticking off that audience.
They have every right every right to say see you later, Sanginara,
and that's what they at least seems like they're probably
angling in that direction. I also think it's it tells
you a lot that Kimmel was approached by management. This
just goes to the sense of entitlement too. Here's these babies.
(26:18):
They have no gratitude for what they have been given,
you know, the Jimmy Kimmel, this guy very easily could
be could have been somewhere and you know, like running
an unsuccessful pizzeria or something. You know, the fact that
he's been able to have this career. He's very lucky,
(26:38):
all right, He's very lucky.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Look, I think I'm lucky.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean a lot of you know, you're if you're
in this world of media and you can make a living,
and you know, we're not digging ditches here. You know,
this is pretty this is pretty light work, as a
lot of things go. The fact that he has just
no gratitude at all for it, and that when the
and throws his weight around, and that when the executive
to say, hey buddy, we got a problem here, his
(27:02):
approach to it was to figure out a way to
go on air and make it worse.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
He's gonna make it worse.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Not gonna issue some apology, no, no, gonna just tell
everybody what.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
He really thinks. You know, He's gonna stand up for
his beliefs he's a moron. He's a moron, truly, and
a lot of people told me this too. I think
it showed you.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Did he cry after Charlie Kirk was shot at any
point talking about it. He's talking about an American icon,
a young man thirty one years old, a husband, a father,
a son, a just a truly decent and inspiring human being,
just brutally murdered in.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Front of all of us. We all saw the video.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That doesn't move It moved me to emotion. It moved
Clay to emotion, and so many of you. That didn't
move Jimmy Kimmel to emotion. But the shooting of a
lion in Africa did that makes him tear up. That
is sad and that he will. I think he was
trying to like raise money for it and ever like
(28:06):
animal conservation or something too.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
There's something very wrong here.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And Disney, which is a company that does have to
have a very big consumer base, made a decision that
makes sense. And that is that. Let me also remind
you all these people know all these free speech wars,
oh free the notion of Brian Stelter as a warrior
for anything, you know, I mean Brian Stelter is a
(28:37):
is a warrior for supersized fries, Like, I don't know,
what do you think this guy's are gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He I A I'm gonna talk about the first debabman.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Speaking of somebody who look, he had his job at
CNN on TV and you know, I don't like, I
don't like to be mean, but he does deserve it
because he looked like Jeff Zucker, and Jeff Zucker was
the guy making the decisions about who gets a job
at CNN.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Look at it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He's like a Zucker mini me, so Zucker saw Alter
and he's like that guy's handsome.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
We got to give him a show.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And here he is telling everybody back in twenty twenty
one when they were going after Fox News because they
were you know, their team was in charge. This is
Costelter now is all upset about what's going on as
our others.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh my gosh, the free speech, the First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They were saying this about Fox News and cable carriers
and consequences for Fox News.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Play clip nine. Well, some cry cancel culture.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Let me suggest a different way to think about this,
a harm reduction model. Most people want clean air and
blue skies and accurate news and rational views, and then
in that healthy environment that looks beautiful, then we can
have great fights about taxes and regulation and healthcare and
all the rest. The vast majority of people can agree
(29:52):
that disinformation about let's say, the pandemic is unhealthy. It's harmful.
So how can that harm be reduced? Well, big tech
platforms say they are removing lies about vaccines and stamping
out stop the steelbs and QAnon cult content.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
They'll do.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
These private companies have too much power. Sure, many people
would say yes, of course they do. But reducing a
liar's reach is not the same as censoring freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is different than freedom of reach, and
algorithmic reach is part.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Of the problem. Reduce it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
The liar's reach is not the same thing as sensoring
freedom of speech.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's not about reach. It's about speech, not about speech,
it's about reach.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Please please, First of all the things that people are
saying about vaccines, especially in terms of one, the mandates
were monstrous and stupid, and two they didn't even know
the vaccines didn't even work.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
They didn't oh, the.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Only the only vaccine that we've ever been told in
history get it, and you'll still get sick.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But you know, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You'll all still get sick, You'll all still get the
you'll all still get the virus.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And it wasn't gonna kill very very many of you
at all anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But you know, kill like one in ten thousand people
who get it, but sure get the vaccine anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Madness, madness.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
This is the reality, though, of what you deal with
with these democrats. They think that we can't go back
on the internet and find what their perspectives were on
these same issues. But a moment to go and we can.
And sorry, guys, our team's in charge now.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So too bad. You don't get away with the same
stuff he used to get away with.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Like I said, there's no constitutional issue here. Disney made
the choice, and the Supreme Court made it clear that
private corporation, if it just wants to be on the
good side of the government and makes its own decision
on something because it feels like it, well that's the
way it is.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So that's the way it's going to be. Too bad.
Too bad for Kimmel.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But the uh, the dozens of people who I'm sure
found his content super funny every night, they might be a.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Little bit upset. Too bad for them.
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Speaker 1 (33:20):
I want to get to your calls. Appreciate you guys.
Lighting up the lines. We'll do Eric in Quadline, Idaho,
what's going on?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Eric?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
My call? Yes, sir, have two points to make.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I just have two points to make. So I'm sixty
two years old and I grew up watching Johnny Carson
and then Jay Leno, and I never knew what way
they leaned, whether it was right or left. And you
know that that says a lot. It was a comedy show.
You'd had Karnak the Great or whatever it was called,
(33:57):
and it was funny. And my second point that you
may have covered as well already is that when Kimball
had The Man Show with Adam Carolla, they did lots
of skiffs. The whole show was pretty much misogynistic, maybe
racial bias, bigoted, and it was humor. And then all
(34:20):
of a sudden, he becomes holier than thou, and like
a typical liberal, it just becomes a hypocrite. Yes, So
that was That's what I wanted to say.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, it's not thank you so much. Totally agree with
your points, Eric, I watched. I can't say I was
a watcher in the like nightly sense, but I remember
certainly in like early in high school, in junior high
I would turn on sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
If I could get away with it my parents and
know I was still up.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I would watch the Tonight the Jay Leno Show, and
I enjoyed it. I always found it to be funny,
and he just he had a nice way about him
and that never felt like his jokes were mean spirited.
And so yeah, I think that's the way it's supposed
to be. That's what I mean by those other guys
betray their craft like they're supposed to really just trying
to make people laugh.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
And Jimmy Kimmel was going on.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
TV to make people who live in Democrat cities, you know,
or the the enclaves of Democrat total control, feel superior
to people in flyover country every night.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean, that was really what he was going for.
It's gross. It's gross. Uh, Kathy and Roanoke, Virginia, what's
going on, Kathy?
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Hey, I'm just thinking that perhaps this is all a
cracker barrel moment for Jimmy Kimmel. He was quote unquote suspended.
We don't know for how long. And now you know,
the gems and the left are frothing at the mouth
and making his name out there, and putting his name
out there is a good pr for him. Maybe he'll
pick up some viewers after all this is said and done,
(35:56):
if they put him back on the air. Personally, I
don't want the man, and I just think what he
said was reprehensible. But it could be that this might
work out in his favor.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I hate to think that, Kathy. I appreciate your outside
the box thinking. I don't think so on this one.
I think he's uh. I don't think he's gonna pick.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't think anything gonna say, oh, well, this Jimmy
Kimmel guy said a horrible thing. So now I'm gonna
watch him, you know, And I don't think libs even
find him particularly funny.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's because he's got to look.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
He's also got a lot of competition. There are all
these other shows, and they all stink. So the whole,
this whole world of these late not comedy shows, I
think has been, like I said, Gottfeld show doing great.
Don't worries about that because it's a good show anyway.
Thanks for calling in at Kathy, we'll get more calls.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
More on all this.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Also some really troubling updates on the ideology of that
Charlie kirk assass and we'll talk about it.
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