May 9, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts delve into a variety of pressing political topics and current events. They begin by discussing the recent announcement of a new American Pope, which overshadowed President Joe Biden's controversial appearance on "The View." The hosts argue that Biden's performance was a disaster and suggest that the media's coverage of him has been misleading. They emphasize the importance of holding the media accountable to delegitimize their reporting on Donald Trump and other political figures.
The conversation shifts to the upcoming book by Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper, which is expected to reveal damaging information about Biden and the Democratic Party. The hosts speculate that the Biden administration is attempting to preemptively address these revelations. They also discuss the internal struggles within the Democratic Party, particularly the fight for leadership and the party's future direction.
A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to analyzing Biden's cognitive abilities and the media's portrayal of him as being in peak condition. The hosts criticize this narrative, highlighting instances where Biden has struggled to answer questions and required assistance from others, including his wife, Jill Biden.
The hosts also touch on the broader implications of the Democratic Party's recent losses, including the impact on their voter base and the internal conflicts that have arisen as a result. They suggest that the party is in a state of disarray and is struggling to find a clear path forward.
In a lighter segment, the hosts engage Guest, former Navy SEAL David Rutherford in a hypothetical discussion about a group of Navy SEALs fighting a gorilla, showcasing their humorous side while also touching on military strategy and camaraderie.
The hour concludes with a discussion on the geopolitical tensions between India and Pakistan, emphasizing the strategic importance of the region and the potential risks associated with the ongoing conflict. The hosts also briefly mention the challenges of addressing the fentanyl crisis and the role of the Mexican cartels.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Friday edition of the program. Yesterday we got
the brand new American Pope, and as a result, we
did not spend as much time breaking down Joe Biden's
(00:20):
disastrous appearance on the view. And I think Democrats actually
got a break by the fact that the pope announcement
happened while Biden was doing an interview, because it was
an unmitigated disaster. And for those of you out there
who say, Okay, we know that they covered up, we
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know that Biden was never able to be president, We
know that the media was willing to carry water for him,
why do you keep talking about it? I think it's
hugely important to hold the media accountable because it also
delegitimizes any of their reporting now about Donald Trump and
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whether or not he's fit to be in office. And
you could say, well, we know he's fit, yes, but
you have to persuade. Politics is the art of persuasion,
and if you can delegitimize the arguments of people who
are dishonest over time, that's how you win a landslide.
In all fifty states, which is what Trump did in
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twenty twenty four and what we hope will continue in
twenty twenty six and going forward in twenty twenty eight.
So this matters for that reason, and we did not
play this. But there seems to be a series of
revelations that must be particularly devastating to Joe Biden, which
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we told you would happen as soon as his political
career was over. The truth would finally be told, appear
maybe in this new book that's coming out from Alex
Thompson and from Jake Tapper, whatever you think of them
as the source. It appears that this is going to
be uniquely devastating, not just to Joe Biden, but to
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the Democrat Party and their legacy media allies who continued
to argue, hey, he's able to do this job. And
so they're trying to get in front of this. This
is my theory back and they're trying to get out
in front of this and pre butt it. A bit
a slight adjustment to that Clay. It wasn't that he
was okay to do the job. It's that he was
(02:36):
the best he had ever been. It's that he was
sharp as attack. That's right. If you didn't see this
the way they did, you were the propagandist. You were
the person that was living in a fantasy. Joe Biden
could challenge somebody to a cognitive test and a push
up contest, anybody in the room, and he was going
(02:56):
to win. That was the tone for four years. I
just that's what it wasn't Okay, guys, he's a little enfeebled,
but we still think that when push comes to shove,
you know, he could make the wise judgment from the wheelchair,
so to speak, if he has to. It was he's awesome. Yeah,
he's the best version he's ever been. Sorry, I just
I think that's a I think that's true. I mean,
(03:17):
it wasn't even just that he could do the job
to your point, for the Joe Scarboroughs of the world.
In many of MSNBC's host it was Biden's not just
doing the job. He's great at it and he's the
best version of himself. Yes, I think the phrase sharp
as attack will never be the same after the Biden era,
no doubt. Okay. So he was asked about this and
(03:37):
do you believe this by the way that the Biden
people must know that this is going to be devastating,
because otherwise, why are they deciding to do interviews. I
guess another argument could be, well, this is just the
Biden money train, and they're trying to chug along and
hoover up as much cash as they possibly can. But
I don't even think that's working anymore because we know
(03:58):
Hunter's basically bankrupt. I think this is about trying to
prebut the arguments that are soon going to be impossible
to ignore because you know, even CNN, when Jake Tabbert
writes the book, they're going to treat it like I mean,
it's the Great Gatsby that's just been released for the
first time. I think it's also it's it's damage assessment,
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and it's who is going to you know, since since
they have had this blow up within the Democrat Party,
which this last election, the Hoole Biden kam La fiasco
clearly was Clay, I think that part of this also
is an internal Democrat fight for who's going to be
the leadership. I don't just mean the candidate, I mean
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who are going to be the people calling the shots
for the Democrats going forward, because right now it doesn't
really it's an open field that doesn't really exist. It's
like they're emerging from the ruins of their own integrity,
which is gone. Okay, let's go ahead and let's play.
This was Alyssa Fara Griffin, who used to work in
(05:02):
the Trump White House, specifically referencing the book and asking
Biden to defend himself. I'm not sure how long this
cut is exactly, but guys, do we have the part
where Jill Biden just takes over because Joe can't answer
the question and has to answer it for him. Okay,
so that's the important pivot here. Biden tries to argue, Oh,
I'm fit as a fiddle, I'm great at being president.
(05:24):
That's totally untrue. Can't even make the argument himself, and
Jill Biden has to step in and try and make
the argument for him. Listen, what is your response to
these allegations?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Are these sources wrong?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They're wrong. There's nothing to sustain that number one. Number two,
you know, think of what we were left for. We
left for the circumstance where we had an insurrection and
I started were nonsensus civil war. We had a circumstance
where we were in a position that we well the
(06:00):
pandemic because of the incompetence of the last outfit end
up over a million people dying. A million people dying.
And we're also in a situation where we found ourselves
unable to deal with a lot of just basic issues.
And I won't go into him. It's an interesting time.
And so we went to work and we got it done.
(06:23):
And you know, one of the things that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, I'm well, and you know, one of the things
I think is that the people who wrote those books
were not in the White House with us, and they
didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So she goes on and tries to make the argument
I saw Joe Biden work so hard and everything else.
I just think this is again a lot of this
went under the radar, fortunately for Democrats, because the Pope
got announced right as Biden was trying to go on
the view. I don't understand, and although it is sad,
how often and why he hasn't called on it, he
(07:05):
always tries to get out of trying to answer questions
now by saying he doesn't have enough time. Have you
noticed this. The only reason you're on that program is
to have as much time to make the case as
you would like. I understand, sometimes we have to cut
people off. Sometimes we have to cut ourselves off because
we're going to commercial break. But Joe Biden is not
going to commercial break every time. His brain just trails
(07:28):
off and he can't continue, and then other people around
him have to kind of pick up the pieces. Which
is what you saw Jill talk for over a minute.
Whatever you think about her, she was ten thousand times
as effective of a communicator in that answer as Biden
himself was. Well. I also think that a big part
of what we see going on here is that there
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are democrats who realize and when I see democrats, I
mean elected office, but mostly the media wing of the
DNC or just the media, the non conservative news media,
that they realize they've humiliated their own voters, They've humiliated
their own base. And you and I talk about this sometimes, right,
(08:11):
there are a lot Journalists can get away with a lot,
but you know, they can lie, they can be totally
dishonest on a whole range of things. But as long
as they are making the people at home watching MSNBC
or reading the Washington Post feel like they're smarter and ha,
how they're like making fun of the Republicans, no matter what,
(08:32):
they can basically get away with it. When they run
into real problems is when they tell their audience to
go along with something they do and they're made to
look like idiots and they lose. Right, if Kamala had won,
let me tell you, none of these people would have
cared about all these Biden stories at all. The problem
(08:53):
that they're dealing with now is they said, hey, guys,
go along with this lie that Joe Biden's find and
look like dumbasses who can't tell you know anything from anything.
And then they had to say, oop, sorry, go behind
Kamala or you know, get behind Kamala. She's gonna be
the one who wins this. And then it was oop, sorry,
(09:13):
Trump actually defeated us. Right, So they have disappointed and
humiliated their own base by pushing the lie. And so
I think part of this clay is damage control within
their tribe, so to speak. This is why Biden's going
out there and these books are coming out, and it's
they've got to make the Democrat audience feel like, hey,
(09:35):
there's some excuse, there's some narrative here for what happened.
That isn't we have no ethics, and we made you
look like idiots and we were wrong about everything, because
that's actually what happened. Would it not help them if
Biden just vanished, though, Like if you were trying to
clean up the mess on Isle Biden, isn't the best
(09:55):
way to clean up the mess on our isle Biden
just to have Biden vanish. This is the end of
it right now. To your point about the getting ahead
of some of the stuff they have to they know
that the bad stuff, you know, this is really all
within their own This is like an intramural fight, right
this is within the dem They already lost. Trump crushed them.
Republicans are in charge. You know, Trump and his team
(10:17):
are all focused on the doing stuff in governing the
country and you know, making the economy hum all these things,
securing the border. Democrats are in the shadows. They're in
the way, in the backbench. They're up in the bleachers
trying to figure out, okay, so who's calling the shots
now and what the heck just happened. They're still in
that phase. I know it's May so it's been a
few months, but I think that they are in the
(10:37):
you know, a military right, you'd call it a hot wash.
After you go out outside the wire, they're still figuring
out what the heck happened. And that's why they need
to present this stuff in a way that their own
side can psychologically get past. What a total disaster the
last twelve months where I mean the last twelve months
of the Democrat Party was just an outright disaster, you know,
(10:58):
not just losing the elections, how they lost the election,
who they lost the election to, what promises were made
to them, I mean to the Democrat voter. I think
this is not going to go away. And a part
of me thinks that Biden cares about his legacy. Jill
certainly cares about Biden's legacy. What they should do is
(11:22):
just have him vanish. Most presidents who choose not to
run again or who are in a position where they
were term limited out, which effectively Biden was in some
ways kind of vanish. I mean, when do you ever
see George W. Bush. George W. Bush didn't even show
up at the White House. Now, I know he doesn't
(11:42):
have a great relationship with Trump, but they have unveiled
a new Barbara Bush stamp Milania did yesterday. Looks fabulous.
By the way, George W. Bush and more. Bush wouldn't
go to the White House. Clay, I think this is
the last. This is the last gasp of Bidenism on
the public stage period. I don't think this is about
him trying to get more money, but that's not happening.
He has nothing to like, He has nothing left to sell.
(12:04):
He sold his office and his soul. It's all over, right,
there's nothing left. So this is the last of It's
just for him trying to set the legacy in the
least damaging light possible of what, you know, what his
presidency was. And I know this is a little intense
and maybe sounds like a little mean spirited even, but
I just think it's true, and I think that the truth,
(12:25):
unfortunately in this case, is mean spirited. He had brain issues.
They lied about it. They put the country in peril.
They sold their dignity and their integrity to try to
defeat Donald Trump, and they lost. And now they're dealing
with the emotional and psychological devastation as a party that
they brought on themselves. They deserve this, Yeah, and don't
(12:45):
mistake this else either. They're still trying to argue they
would have won the race. I mean, he said it
directly on the view. This is the only way I
think the Biden team can justify anything. We told you
that eventually it's going to turn into a knife fight
over who's to blame. They're trying to say, basically, Kamala lost,
that Biden would have won, but that the party was
(13:08):
not allied behind him. They we told you this would
happen too. Right, If he steps down and she wins,
he's a hero. If he steps down and she loses,
well it's her fault, of course. But also, Clay, think
about what the alternative is. The alternative would be that
Donald Trump, who they said needed to be locked up
in a cell, and tried to do so. Okay, they
raided mar A Lago, they brought four criminal indictments, They
(13:30):
had Letitia James running nonsense civil cases against him. They
threw the kitchen sink at Trump, and not only did
he effectively defeat Biden with a debate, he defeated their
next in line. Yes, it was a one two punch.
Think about what that looks like. The president and vice
president are supposed to be the two best shots you
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got to run the country, right, supposed to be really
generally speaking. I mean, you could argue that the vice
president thing Trump beat them both in the same election cycle.
So the only way to have any sense of the
Democrat Party is not a total joke right now is
to say, Okay, we made a mistake about Biden. We
should have kept him in. Otherwise it's Trump could have
run the table and beaten anybody we threw against it well,
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which I think that it is true. That's what's happening
in twenty seven. We're giving you a two year preview
on their talking points. When Trump can't run again, they're
going to argue, Hey, it's not about us being bad,
it's that Trump is not Hitler anymore. He's the greatest
political candidate Republican Party we'll ever have in any of
our lifetimes. You think I'm crazy. That's going to be
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Boch. We were
mentioning this just a moment ago, just a fun little
trip on memory lane. It was a little over a
year ago when you had this doozy, this incredible moment
in TV analysis, in the world of news and politics
from Joe Scarborough, he of Morning Joe infamy. And this
(16:02):
is cut thirty eight. This is March seventh of twenty
twenty four. Play it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Start your tape right now, because I'm about to tell
you the truth and f you if.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You can't handle the truth.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever,
not a close second.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
And I've known him for years. The Prasenskis have known
him for fifty years. If it weren't the truth, I
wouldn't say it. My wife has known him for fifty years.
Play the best version he has ever been. Not a
good enough version to be president, not a good enough
version to run a hot dog stand on the weekends. No,
(16:44):
the best version of himself. Ever, How can someone like
this still have anyone who watches him on television? I
really mean this. He's made his millions. He should just
go play racquetball. I don't know how he ever comes
back from this. Can you think of anything more outrageous
that has been said? And look I'm talking about in
real time, when it was evident that everybody knew that
(17:06):
that was a lie, and then you have been proven
that it was a lie. If you look at the
scale of the lie and the timing of the lie
and the clear I think this may be the single
most egregious BS thing said in TV news commentary in
my life. I don't know if there's one that's worse.
And again specifically referencing that he knows him so well, Well,
(17:29):
it's not as if, Yeah, I mean he is saying,
based on my entire lifetime of knowing him, he's never
been better. I mean, that's crazy. I don't know how
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in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. The Clay and Buck
podcast network is absolutely rolling. We've got a lot of
different people in there that you are gonna love, whether
it's Tutor Dixon, whether it's Karl Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham.
We're about to announce is it next week? Buck, We
(18:55):
have a new announcement that I think people are going
to enjoy. I think I stepped all over it. It's
Nicole Safire. He's going to be great. But that is
coming next week. In the meantime, one of the biggest
badasses on the planet David Rutherford bringing us the idea
of exactly what it's like to be a former Navy
seal and also a badass when it comes to analyzing
(19:16):
so many of the different aspects having to do with defense.
But before we get into all that, Buck and I
have been debating off air. I don't know we really
ever debated it on air. A question that has taken
the Internet by fire. It is Friday. You are a
Navy seal training by background, one of the badasses on
the planet. If you and ninety nine of your Navy
(19:38):
Seal buddies got to fight a single gorilla, what would
your strategy be and what do you think the outcome
would be? Only your bare hands, only the gorilla's bare
hands as well. Obviously, how do you attack? What is
your plan and what is the outcome?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, Clay, I was you know what, I didn't want
to come on and talk about into your Pakistan today.
I definitely didn't want to come and talk about the Pope.
I didn't want to talk about Scott Besten's awesome testimony
or cash on the Hill. What I wanted to talk
about was this plan on how to hammer these gorillas?
All right, So this is easy. I've been thinking about
this since it first came out. You don't need one
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hundred team guys. You need seventeen drunk team guys, right,
and you need two to bring some type of like
hypnotization on them, right, lull them down, and then you
need two of your biggest meatheads to attack the legs,
attack the arms, and then the rest of them. They
just sit on top of them and they do these
(20:40):
calming petting techniques and tell he goes limp, and then
they just choke them out. That's it. That's the technique.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So you think you could hypnotize the gorilla into submission?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
One hundred Push said, how about you seen the famous
video of Robin Williams sitting with that silver back and
like pettying and putting them into that or Jane Goodall
in the forest she goes over and she catch his arm.
I'm telling you the whole thing, Like you're gonna bum
rush a silver back. That's nuts. And I'll tell you what,
you gotta have seventeen drunk team guys even remotely consider
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the whole hypnotization process.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, this is what I've been saying to everybody rut,
and that is if you allow this to be like
the Spartans at Thermopyla, where because of the hot gates
they were able to funnel in the Persians and take
them not one at a time, but you know, hundreds
at a time, so they couldn't be surrounded. And you
know that's why I think seventeen is the optimal number.
I totally agree with you, and I appreciate that this plan,
(21:40):
this tactical plan, would come straight from you. All Right,
now we can actually get into some other things in
the policy realm, and you guys should all check out
the David Rutherford Show. How do you think? I mean,
I know you were pro Secretary Hegseth going into this
whole thing. How do you think it's going over there
so far? What do you make from some of the Uh,
(22:00):
let me ask you is what are some of the specofs,
guys that are dear friends of yours, guys you serve with,
how do they feel about the trajectory of the Pentagon
right now?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Uh? Definitely shaky. You know, I think we all love
that piece out there. He's doing the dog and ponies,
He's he's doing workouts with the troops, him and Tulci.
That there's nothing better than morale boosting when your leader
is out there with you, you know, grinding. But you know,
the Pentagon is a lot different than mourning pt routines.
(22:33):
That building, as you know, buck uh is is uh.
You know, it's it's its own thing. And with a
trillion dollar budget, uh, you need to get in that
building and you need to go to every floor, every office,
make your presence known and figure out what those offices,
what those branches need, and and start helping them do
(22:57):
their job overseas and with foreign policy, because that's the thing.
If you're not in that building, then you might as
well your position, your power is essentially muted.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, you mentioned the situation with Indian and Pakistan, and
I know you're going to be doing a deep dive
for it in the podcast for people out there, and
I'll put myself in this category that are not experts
in the long term geopolitical relationship between India and Pakistan
and the danger that that relationship can provoke and has
recently flared up. What should we know? What is the
(23:32):
important thing that you think the average American right now
should know about why this matters?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
All? Right? Three things are easy, real simple to understand.
First and foremost, this has been going on since nineteen
forty eight when Britain gave that region up. They split
in two based on Hindu in Muslim back backgrounds. So
ever since they're the region of Kashmir has been contentious.
(23:58):
They've had three wars, multiple skirmishes, So this is a
long running thing that's going on, so it's not out
of then, no wear out of news. So that's the
first thing. The other thing, the most important thing by
far is you know, this is a very strategic place
for the United States because as we try and you know,
(24:19):
reshore a lot of our industrialization and pull it out
of China in particular antibiotics, you know, other different industrial capacities,
and we partner with India, that's really going to give
us a lot more leverage on the world stage economically.
So I think understanding those ties. You know, there is
a little bit of a tricky one with India being
(24:41):
tied to Russia and receiving all of its weapons or
a lot of it's you know, really substantial military support
from Russia. But you have the same thing with China
and Pakistan, so that makes it a little odd. But
the number one thing, hands down by far, is that
these are both nuclear countries. And I just for me
right now, after having suffered through the last four years
(25:04):
with Ukraine and being on the precipice there, this one's
even more strenuous to me because there's a lot of
pretty radical people in these countries and they are die hard.
So those are the real top three things. Obviously on Monday,
I'm going to dig into these in a lot more depth.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know, Dave, we're speaking of David Rutherford. He is
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. He's launched
the Dave Rutherford Show, David Rutherford Show, which is doing
fantastic numbers already because you guys are understanding just what
a great program it is, and we appreciate that, you know,
Dave Pambondi announced one of the largest fentanyl seizures in
(25:43):
history this week, clearly because of the change in the
way this administration approaches the border compared to what they
had with Joe Biden before. Right wide open border, bad
border with actual security procedures and law and order in place. Good,
But now it starts to raise I think the question
again about well, what about going more to the source,
(26:04):
not just stopping the end users from getting their hands
on this from dealers on the streets, the cartels who
pull those strings, but the cartel's on the Mexican side
of the border, somebody from the special operations community. How
do you think it goes? If Trump follows through and
what was talked about early on here with using much
more aggressive tactics, including special Operators when necessary to go
(26:28):
after top cartel guys across the border.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I personally think it could be substantial. The challenge, as
you both know, is how integrated the cartels are in
the political system in Mexico. You know, I'm still waiting
to see a more strict stance by the President of Mexico.
She's not doing that, I know. You know, at first,
(26:53):
what I would love to see is US really integrate
into their intelligence apparatus, start sharing intel, you know, get
some assistance with US and our intelligence in particular the
NSA to really kind of slow roll and take these
guys down a little bit more. But you know, in
terms of getting kinetic and putting you know, TAG or
(27:15):
Dan Nick, you know, Delta or Seal Team six on
the ground or even GV ground branch. You know, I
want to reserve that for a little bit to see
what the reaction will be, because from what I'm hearing
from a lot of people, there's already you know, the
turf war has really begun. Because we've cut off their
their massive sources of funding from human trafficking, We're debilitating
(27:40):
their fentanyl distribution. So that's going to cause a lot
more problems. I think we hold off on the kinetics,
we really lean in for intelligence support initially.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
All right, it's Friday. You have covered a wide range
from guerrillas fighting humans, to to the India Pakistan to
how to handle the cartels in Mexico. You also weighed
in Buck and I were talking. Was it last week
or this week? I can't even remember about the rock
and uh Buck, I believe played audio from you as
a Navy Seal spoiler alert nineteen ninety five film The
(28:14):
Navy Seals found themselves in a tough situation against the Marines.
You said, that's never happening. They're never putting themselves in
that spot.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I did, But I mean, obviously, those those gentlemen their
plan of getting into Alphatraz, which is supposedly one of
the most secure places ever. You know, that's a good plan.
I you know, my whole thing was it was having
you know, master chiefs. Jenny Chalker was in that movie
with that with Joe Hawes and Decker and instructor Decker,
(28:46):
and I love these guys so much.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
They played a wait they were at with David. This
is important. I didn't realize this. There were actual seals
who were in the like former seals were in the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh yeah, command my my. When I was at Buds
the command master Chief was Dennis Talker, who was a
plank owner at Seal Team six. When when when Dick
Marcinko started he chose that he was one of the
original guys. Well, he was in the movie along with
two instructors of mine Joe Haas and an instructor Decker
(29:17):
and these guys like it was really kind of the
first time other than Hubert Humphreys in a couple others,
he's the real guru of Seal tactical uh consulting in
the movie business. But these guys, he was the first
time that they were. There was a ton of Team
guys in this movie. It was awesome to see them.
We loved it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's very very cool. Idea did you know this whole time?
I know they were actual seals playing seals in The Rock,
which is a movie we love. Probably made it even
tougher for them to get wiped out by the Marines
like they did. How did those guys, how did those
guys show themselves hanging out with the seals after that? Bro,
you went in as the seal and got taken out
(30:00):
by the Marines. I would think that, yeah, you get
to be in a Hollywood movie. Downside, you got murdered,
taken out by guys you're supposed to be able to
kick their asks. This would be like New York bucketting
choked out by Jake Tapper. I don't Yeah, we get
to be in a movie, but I don't know that.
I don't know that we can show ourselves anymore on
in media, ye know? After that? Yeah, I mean, look,
Jake Tapper taps you out, You're you're in trouble. Will
(30:23):
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killing it For people who haven't signed up. How can
they find you?
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Speaker 1 (30:49):
Ohtastuf rut. Appreciate you. We got to get you out
on the rain soon because I got to get my
skills up to speed so that when Clay comes out
there as a first time or we're really going to
get some great footage.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh man, I cannot wait. We are going to run
play ragging out there. I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's gonna be awesome. All right, Ron, thank you sir.
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Coming up here a few minutes, we'll talk to our
friend Steve Hilton about how he is running for governor
in California. I also want to have him check in
on Remember the whole rebuilding of the Palisades situation you
had Gavin news Oh, he's like, we're gonna get rid
of We're gonna streamline all the bureaucracy. Excuse me, I
need a little more self tenor we're gonna streamline the bureaucracy.
(32:54):
We're gonna unbutton our shirts all the way down to
the navel. We're gonna just show everybody how we do
things up here. You know, Gavin Newsom is such a
clown and surprised people are unhappy with the pace of
the regulator, of the regulation removal for the rebuilding. The
whole thing is exactly as you would expect. We'll talking
about that California and more coming up here shortly. Also,
(33:16):
we haven't forgotten about Bernie Sanders. He's fighting the Oligaucky
from a private jet because that's the best way to
show people that you care about the working class. That's
a very good Bernie Sanders. I did grow up in
New York, as did Bernie, so this is where it
comes from. I do you think anybody who was actually
(33:36):
some of the challenges when you get really powerful is
people will not say to you hey, this might be
a bad look. Do you think anybody went to Bernie
and said, hey, I understand that it's hard to travel
for an eighty three year old guy, and you have
access to a private jet, but the entire purpose of
your speaking tour is fighting the oligarch. It is insanely
(34:01):
hypocritical for you to be traveling in private playing. Do
you think he actually was asked this or do you
think people were so afraid of even having that conversation
that no staff member ever confronted Bernie with this? Does
that make sense? Like, to what extent did he consciously
choose this? The point of power is not to enforce
(34:22):
strict rules for everyone, including yourself. Right, If you are
a communist, socialist, whatever, you're a communist, what you want
is the ability to dictate different things for everybody else
than you dictate for yourself, Because that's real power.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
This is why people who say, oh, but communists want
a quality for everybody, No, they don't. That never happens.
Show me a communist country, I'll show you an absolute
hierarchy of extreme elites and deprivation for everybody else. So
Bernie Sanders, the socialist with three houses at least three
houses at this point, you know, flying flying private. He says, well,
(35:00):
we'll get to it. We'll get to We got a
little a little time before we dive. No, yeah, I
really want to dive into this because I have no
issue in general with people who have the resources using
the resources as they see fit. But using private resources
to advance public causes that are diametrically opposed to what
you are arguing publicly is such an outrageously hypocritical thing
(35:21):
that I can't believe that an honest in any way
person could make this choice. Well, I actually, you know,
I have a bigger problem, and again this is a preview.
I have a bigger problem with his message about the
Oli gaw key than I do with even his own
personal hypocrisy, because hypocrisy, the whole point for Democrats is
that they can be hypocritical because what they're doing is
so important that their own conduct doesn't matter. Right, That's
(35:43):
the so we can dive into that. You see a
lot of that in California, where our next guest, Steve Hilton,
is going to be running for governor. Now we're going
to ask about this because that's a non as a
non left wing loon. That's a steep climb. So we'll
ask him, you know, what's going on here. I don't
think he's going to waste his time and get you
twenty percent of the vote or something. I'm sure he's
(36:04):
got a plan in mind here for how he can
make some waves there. We'll discuss that with him. We'll
take some calls from you Californians who listen. We have
a huge California audience, which you always have to remember
a lot of Republicans in California and they listen. Take
some calls from you about what you think with Gavin
Newsom and the rebuilding that was supposed to happen, the
Palisades fire. We'll dive into that, We'll dive into Bernie
(36:25):
Sanders will take calls. Basically, going to be a third
hour that is a plus all around fighting, all a
coffee
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Friday edition of the program. Yesterday we got
the brand new American Pope, and as a result, we
did not spend as much time breaking down Joe Biden's
(00:20):
disastrous appearance on the view. And I think Democrats actually
got a break by the fact that the pope announcement
happened while Biden was doing an interview, because it was
an unmitigated disaster. And for those of you out there
who say, Okay, we know that they covered up, we
(00:44):
know that Biden was never able to be president, We
know that the media was willing to carry water for him,
why do you keep talking about it? I think it's
hugely important to hold the media accountable because it also
delegitimizes any of their reporting now about Donald Trump and
(01:08):
whether or not he's fit to be in office. And
you could say, well, we know he's fit, yes, but
you have to persuade. Politics is the art of persuasion,
and if you can delegitimize the arguments of people who
are dishonest over time, that's how you win a landslide.
In all fifty states, which is what Trump did in
(01:29):
twenty twenty four and what we hope will continue in
twenty twenty six and going forward in twenty twenty eight.
So this matters for that reason, and we did not
play this. But there seems to be a series of
revelations that must be particularly devastating to Joe Biden, which
(01:52):
we told you would happen as soon as his political
career was over. The truth would finally be told, appear
maybe in this new book that's coming out from Alex
Thompson and from Jake Tapper, whatever you think of them
as the source. It appears that this is going to
be uniquely devastating, not just to Joe Biden, but to
(02:14):
the Democrat Party and their legacy media allies who continued
to argue, hey, he's able to do this job. And
so they're trying to get in front of this. This
is my theory back and they're trying to get out
in front of this and pre butt it. A bit
a slight adjustment to that Clay. It wasn't that he
was okay to do the job. It's that he was
(02:36):
the best he had ever been. It's that he was
sharp as attack. That's right. If you didn't see this
the way they did, you were the propagandist. You were
the person that was living in a fantasy. Joe Biden
could challenge somebody to a cognitive test and a push
up contest, anybody in the room, and he was going
(02:56):
to win. That was the tone for four years. I
just that's what it wasn't Okay, guys, he's a little enfeebled,
but we still think that when push comes to shove,
you know, he could make the wise judgment from the wheelchair,
so to speak, if he has to. It was he's awesome. Yeah,
he's the best version he's ever been. Sorry, I just
I think that's a I think that's true. I mean,
(03:17):
it wasn't even just that he could do the job
to your point, for the Joe Scarboroughs of the world.
In many of MSNBC's host it was Biden's not just
doing the job. He's great at it and he's the
best version of himself. Yes, I think the phrase sharp
as attack will never be the same after the Biden era,
no doubt. Okay. So he was asked about this and
(03:37):
do you believe this by the way that the Biden
people must know that this is going to be devastating,
because otherwise, why are they deciding to do interviews. I
guess another argument could be, well, this is just the
Biden money train, and they're trying to chug along and
hoover up as much cash as they possibly can. But
I don't even think that's working anymore because we know
(03:58):
Hunter's basically bankrupt. I think this is about trying to
prebut the arguments that are soon going to be impossible
to ignore because you know, even CNN, when Jake Tabbert
writes the book, they're going to treat it like I mean,
it's the Great Gatsby that's just been released for the
first time. I think it's also it's it's damage assessment,
(04:18):
and it's who is going to you know, since since
they have had this blow up within the Democrat Party,
which this last election, the Hoole Biden kam La fiasco
clearly was Clay, I think that part of this also
is an internal Democrat fight for who's going to be
the leadership. I don't just mean the candidate, I mean
(04:40):
who are going to be the people calling the shots
for the Democrats going forward, because right now it doesn't
really it's an open field that doesn't really exist. It's
like they're emerging from the ruins of their own integrity,
which is gone. Okay, let's go ahead and let's play.
This was Alyssa Fara Griffin, who used to work in
(05:02):
the Trump White House, specifically referencing the book and asking
Biden to defend himself. I'm not sure how long this
cut is exactly, but guys, do we have the part
where Jill Biden just takes over because Joe can't answer
the question and has to answer it for him. Okay,
so that's the important pivot here. Biden tries to argue, Oh,
I'm fit as a fiddle, I'm great at being president.
(05:24):
That's totally untrue. Can't even make the argument himself, and
Jill Biden has to step in and try and make
the argument for him. Listen, what is your response to
these allegations?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Are these sources wrong?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They're wrong. There's nothing to sustain that number one. Number two,
you know, think of what we were left for. We
left for the circumstance where we had an insurrection and
I started were nonsensus civil war. We had a circumstance
where we were in a position that we well the
(06:00):
pandemic because of the incompetence of the last outfit end
up over a million people dying. A million people dying.
And we're also in a situation where we found ourselves
unable to deal with a lot of just basic issues.
And I won't go into him. It's an interesting time.
And so we went to work and we got it done.
(06:23):
And you know, one of the things that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, I'm well, and you know, one of the things
I think is that the people who wrote those books
were not in the White House with us, and they
didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So she goes on and tries to make the argument
I saw Joe Biden work so hard and everything else.
I just think this is again a lot of this
went under the radar, fortunately for Democrats, because the Pope
got announced right as Biden was trying to go on
the view. I don't understand, and although it is sad,
how often and why he hasn't called on it, he
(07:05):
always tries to get out of trying to answer questions
now by saying he doesn't have enough time. Have you
noticed this. The only reason you're on that program is
to have as much time to make the case as
you would like. I understand, sometimes we have to cut
people off. Sometimes we have to cut ourselves off because
we're going to commercial break. But Joe Biden is not
going to commercial break every time. His brain just trails
(07:28):
off and he can't continue, and then other people around
him have to kind of pick up the pieces. Which
is what you saw Jill talk for over a minute.
Whatever you think about her, she was ten thousand times
as effective of a communicator in that answer as Biden
himself was. Well. I also think that a big part
of what we see going on here is that there
(07:50):
are democrats who realize and when I see democrats, I
mean elected office, but mostly the media wing of the
DNC or just the media, the non conservative news media,
that they realize they've humiliated their own voters, They've humiliated
their own base. And you and I talk about this sometimes, right,
(08:11):
there are a lot Journalists can get away with a lot,
but you know, they can lie, they can be totally
dishonest on a whole range of things. But as long
as they are making the people at home watching MSNBC
or reading the Washington Post feel like they're smarter and ha,
how they're like making fun of the Republicans, no matter what,
(08:32):
they can basically get away with it. When they run
into real problems is when they tell their audience to
go along with something they do and they're made to
look like idiots and they lose. Right, if Kamala had won,
let me tell you, none of these people would have
cared about all these Biden stories at all. The problem
(08:53):
that they're dealing with now is they said, hey, guys,
go along with this lie that Joe Biden's find and
look like dumbasses who can't tell you know anything from anything.
And then they had to say, oop, sorry, go behind
Kamala or you know, get behind Kamala. She's gonna be
the one who wins this. And then it was oop, sorry,
(09:13):
Trump actually defeated us. Right, So they have disappointed and
humiliated their own base by pushing the lie. And so
I think part of this clay is damage control within
their tribe, so to speak. This is why Biden's going
out there and these books are coming out, and it's
they've got to make the Democrat audience feel like, hey,
(09:35):
there's some excuse, there's some narrative here for what happened.
That isn't we have no ethics, and we made you
look like idiots and we were wrong about everything, because
that's actually what happened. Would it not help them if
Biden just vanished, though, Like if you were trying to
clean up the mess on Isle Biden, isn't the best
(09:55):
way to clean up the mess on our isle Biden
just to have Biden vanish. This is the end of
it right now. To your point about the getting ahead
of some of the stuff they have to they know
that the bad stuff, you know, this is really all
within their own This is like an intramural fight, right
this is within the dem They already lost. Trump crushed them.
Republicans are in charge. You know, Trump and his team
(10:17):
are all focused on the doing stuff in governing the
country and you know, making the economy hum all these things,
securing the border. Democrats are in the shadows. They're in
the way, in the backbench. They're up in the bleachers
trying to figure out, okay, so who's calling the shots
now and what the heck just happened. They're still in
that phase. I know it's May so it's been a
few months, but I think that they are in the
(10:37):
you know, a military right, you'd call it a hot wash.
After you go out outside the wire, they're still figuring
out what the heck happened. And that's why they need
to present this stuff in a way that their own
side can psychologically get past. What a total disaster the
last twelve months where I mean the last twelve months
of the Democrat Party was just an outright disaster, you know,
(10:58):
not just losing the elections, how they lost the election,
who they lost the election to, what promises were made
to them, I mean to the Democrat voter. I think
this is not going to go away. And a part
of me thinks that Biden cares about his legacy. Jill
certainly cares about Biden's legacy. What they should do is
(11:22):
just have him vanish. Most presidents who choose not to
run again or who are in a position where they
were term limited out, which effectively Biden was in some
ways kind of vanish. I mean, when do you ever
see George W. Bush. George W. Bush didn't even show
up at the White House. Now, I know he doesn't
(11:42):
have a great relationship with Trump, but they have unveiled
a new Barbara Bush stamp Milania did yesterday. Looks fabulous.
By the way, George W. Bush and more. Bush wouldn't
go to the White House. Clay, I think this is
the last. This is the last gasp of Bidenism on
the public stage period. I don't think this is about
him trying to get more money, but that's not happening.
He has nothing to like, He has nothing left to sell.
(12:04):
He sold his office and his soul. It's all over, right,
there's nothing left. So this is the last of It's
just for him trying to set the legacy in the
least damaging light possible of what, you know, what his
presidency was. And I know this is a little intense
and maybe sounds like a little mean spirited even, but
I just think it's true, and I think that the truth,
(12:25):
unfortunately in this case, is mean spirited. He had brain issues.
They lied about it. They put the country in peril.
They sold their dignity and their integrity to try to
defeat Donald Trump, and they lost. And now they're dealing
with the emotional and psychological devastation as a party that
they brought on themselves. They deserve this, Yeah, and don't
(12:45):
mistake this else either. They're still trying to argue they
would have won the race. I mean, he said it
directly on the view. This is the only way I
think the Biden team can justify anything. We told you
that eventually it's going to turn into a knife fight
over who's to blame. They're trying to say, basically, Kamala lost,
that Biden would have won, but that the party was
(13:08):
not allied behind him. They we told you this would
happen too. Right, If he steps down and she wins,
he's a hero. If he steps down and she loses,
well it's her fault, of course. But also, Clay, think
about what the alternative is. The alternative would be that
Donald Trump, who they said needed to be locked up
in a cell, and tried to do so. Okay, they
raided mar A Lago, they brought four criminal indictments, They
(13:30):
had Letitia James running nonsense civil cases against him. They
threw the kitchen sink at Trump, and not only did
he effectively defeat Biden with a debate, he defeated their
next in line. Yes, it was a one two punch.
Think about what that looks like. The president and vice
president are supposed to be the two best shots you
(13:51):
got to run the country, right, supposed to be really
generally speaking. I mean, you could argue that the vice
president thing Trump beat them both in the same election cycle.
So the only way to have any sense of the
Democrat Party is not a total joke right now is
to say, Okay, we made a mistake about Biden. We
should have kept him in. Otherwise it's Trump could have
run the table and beaten anybody we threw against it well,
(14:12):
which I think that it is true. That's what's happening
in twenty seven. We're giving you a two year preview
on their talking points. When Trump can't run again, they're
going to argue, Hey, it's not about us being bad,
it's that Trump is not Hitler anymore. He's the greatest
political candidate Republican Party we'll ever have in any of
our lifetimes. You think I'm crazy. That's going to be
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Boch. We were
mentioning this just a moment ago, just a fun little
trip on memory lane. It was a little over a
year ago when you had this doozy, this incredible moment
in TV analysis, in the world of news and politics
from Joe Scarborough, he of Morning Joe infamy. And this
(16:02):
is cut thirty eight. This is March seventh of twenty
twenty four. Play it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Start your tape right now, because I'm about to tell
you the truth and f you if.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You can't handle the truth.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever,
not a close second.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
And I've known him for years. The Prasenskis have known
him for fifty years. If it weren't the truth, I
wouldn't say it. My wife has known him for fifty years.
Play the best version he has ever been. Not a
good enough version to be president, not a good enough
version to run a hot dog stand on the weekends. No,
(16:44):
the best version of himself. Ever, How can someone like
this still have anyone who watches him on television? I
really mean this. He's made his millions. He should just
go play racquetball. I don't know how he ever comes
back from this. Can you think of anything more outrageous
that has been said? And look I'm talking about in
real time, when it was evident that everybody knew that
(17:06):
that was a lie, and then you have been proven
that it was a lie. If you look at the
scale of the lie and the timing of the lie
and the clear I think this may be the single
most egregious BS thing said in TV news commentary in
my life. I don't know if there's one that's worse.
And again specifically referencing that he knows him so well, Well,
(17:29):
it's not as if, Yeah, I mean he is saying,
based on my entire lifetime of knowing him, he's never
been better. I mean, that's crazy. I don't know how
it stars a job. I think it's the most egregiously wrong,
as you said, thing that we've seen on television relating
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podcast network is absolutely rolling. We've got a lot of
different people in there that you are gonna love, whether
it's Tutor Dixon, whether it's Karl Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham.
We're about to announce is it next week? Buck, We
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have a new announcement that I think people are going
to enjoy. I think I stepped all over it. It's
Nicole Safire. He's going to be great. But that is
coming next week. In the meantime, one of the biggest
badasses on the planet David Rutherford bringing us the idea
of exactly what it's like to be a former Navy
seal and also a badass when it comes to analyzing
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so many of the different aspects having to do with defense.
But before we get into all that, Buck and I
have been debating off air. I don't know we really
ever debated it on air. A question that has taken
the Internet by fire. It is Friday. You are a
Navy seal training by background, one of the badasses on
the planet. If you and ninety nine of your Navy
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Seal buddies got to fight a single gorilla, what would
your strategy be and what do you think the outcome
would be? Only your bare hands, only the gorilla's bare
hands as well. Obviously, how do you attack? What is
your plan and what is the outcome?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, Clay, I was you know what, I didn't want
to come on and talk about into your Pakistan today.
I definitely didn't want to come and talk about the Pope.
I didn't want to talk about Scott Besten's awesome testimony
or cash on the Hill. What I wanted to talk
about was this plan on how to hammer these gorillas?
All right, So this is easy. I've been thinking about
this since it first came out. You don't need one
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hundred team guys. You need seventeen drunk team guys, right,
and you need two to bring some type of like
hypnotization on them, right, lull them down, and then you
need two of your biggest meatheads to attack the legs,
attack the arms, and then the rest of them. They
just sit on top of them and they do these
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calming petting techniques and tell he goes limp, and then
they just choke them out. That's it. That's the technique.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So you think you could hypnotize the gorilla into submission?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
One hundred Push said, how about you seen the famous
video of Robin Williams sitting with that silver back and
like pettying and putting them into that or Jane Goodall
in the forest she goes over and she catch his arm.
I'm telling you the whole thing, Like you're gonna bum
rush a silver back. That's nuts. And I'll tell you what,
you gotta have seventeen drunk team guys even remotely consider
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the whole hypnotization process.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, this is what I've been saying to everybody rut,
and that is if you allow this to be like
the Spartans at Thermopyla, where because of the hot gates
they were able to funnel in the Persians and take
them not one at a time, but you know, hundreds
at a time, so they couldn't be surrounded. And you
know that's why I think seventeen is the optimal number.
I totally agree with you, and I appreciate that this plan,
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this tactical plan, would come straight from you. All Right,
now we can actually get into some other things in
the policy realm, and you guys should all check out
the David Rutherford Show. How do you think? I mean,
I know you were pro Secretary Hegseth going into this
whole thing. How do you think it's going over there
so far? What do you make from some of the Uh,
(22:00):
let me ask you is what are some of the specofs,
guys that are dear friends of yours, guys you serve with,
how do they feel about the trajectory of the Pentagon
right now?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Uh? Definitely shaky. You know, I think we all love
that piece out there. He's doing the dog and ponies,
He's he's doing workouts with the troops, him and Tulci.
That there's nothing better than morale boosting when your leader
is out there with you, you know, grinding. But you know,
the Pentagon is a lot different than mourning pt routines.
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That building, as you know, buck uh is is uh.
You know, it's it's its own thing. And with a
trillion dollar budget, uh, you need to get in that
building and you need to go to every floor, every office,
make your presence known and figure out what those offices,
what those branches need, and and start helping them do
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their job overseas and with foreign policy, because that's the thing.
If you're not in that building, then you might as
well your position, your power is essentially muted.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, you mentioned the situation with Indian and Pakistan, and
I know you're going to be doing a deep dive
for it in the podcast for people out there, and
I'll put myself in this category that are not experts
in the long term geopolitical relationship between India and Pakistan
and the danger that that relationship can provoke and has
recently flared up. What should we know? What is the
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important thing that you think the average American right now
should know about why this matters?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
All? Right? Three things are easy, real simple to understand.
First and foremost, this has been going on since nineteen
forty eight when Britain gave that region up. They split
in two based on Hindu in Muslim back backgrounds. So
ever since they're the region of Kashmir has been contentious.
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They've had three wars, multiple skirmishes, So this is a
long running thing that's going on, so it's not out
of then, no wear out of news. So that's the
first thing. The other thing, the most important thing by
far is you know, this is a very strategic place
for the United States because as we try and you know,
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reshore a lot of our industrialization and pull it out
of China in particular antibiotics, you know, other different industrial capacities,
and we partner with India, that's really going to give
us a lot more leverage on the world stage economically.
So I think understanding those ties. You know, there is
a little bit of a tricky one with India being
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tied to Russia and receiving all of its weapons or
a lot of it's you know, really substantial military support
from Russia. But you have the same thing with China
and Pakistan, so that makes it a little odd. But
the number one thing, hands down by far, is that
these are both nuclear countries. And I just for me
right now, after having suffered through the last four years
(25:04):
with Ukraine and being on the precipice there, this one's
even more strenuous to me because there's a lot of
pretty radical people in these countries and they are die hard.
So those are the real top three things. Obviously on Monday,
I'm going to dig into these in a lot more depth.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know, Dave, we're speaking of David Rutherford. He is
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. He's launched
the Dave Rutherford Show, David Rutherford Show, which is doing
fantastic numbers already because you guys are understanding just what
a great program it is, and we appreciate that, you know,
Dave Pambondi announced one of the largest fentanyl seizures in
(25:43):
history this week, clearly because of the change in the
way this administration approaches the border compared to what they
had with Joe Biden before. Right wide open border, bad
border with actual security procedures and law and order in place. Good,
But now it starts to raise I think the question
again about well, what about going more to the source,
(26:04):
not just stopping the end users from getting their hands
on this from dealers on the streets, the cartels who
pull those strings, but the cartel's on the Mexican side
of the border, somebody from the special operations community. How
do you think it goes? If Trump follows through and
what was talked about early on here with using much
more aggressive tactics, including special Operators when necessary to go
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after top cartel guys across the border.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I personally think it could be substantial. The challenge, as
you both know, is how integrated the cartels are in
the political system in Mexico. You know, I'm still waiting
to see a more strict stance by the President of Mexico.
She's not doing that, I know. You know, at first,
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what I would love to see is US really integrate
into their intelligence apparatus, start sharing intel, you know, get
some assistance with US and our intelligence in particular the
NSA to really kind of slow roll and take these
guys down a little bit more. But you know, in
terms of getting kinetic and putting you know, TAG or
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Dan Nick, you know, Delta or Seal Team six on
the ground or even GV ground branch. You know, I
want to reserve that for a little bit to see
what the reaction will be, because from what I'm hearing
from a lot of people, there's already you know, the
turf war has really begun. Because we've cut off their
their massive sources of funding from human trafficking, We're debilitating
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their fentanyl distribution. So that's going to cause a lot
more problems. I think we hold off on the kinetics,
we really lean in for intelligence support initially.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
All right, it's Friday. You have covered a wide range
from guerrillas fighting humans, to to the India Pakistan to
how to handle the cartels in Mexico. You also weighed
in Buck and I were talking. Was it last week
or this week? I can't even remember about the rock
and uh Buck, I believe played audio from you as
a Navy Seal spoiler alert nineteen ninety five film The
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Navy Seals found themselves in a tough situation against the Marines.
You said, that's never happening. They're never putting themselves in
that spot.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I did, But I mean, obviously, those those gentlemen their
plan of getting into Alphatraz, which is supposedly one of
the most secure places ever. You know, that's a good plan.
I you know, my whole thing was it was having
you know, master chiefs. Jenny Chalker was in that movie
with that with Joe Hawes and Decker and instructor Decker,
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and I love these guys so much.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
They played a wait they were at with David. This
is important. I didn't realize this. There were actual seals
who were in the like former seals were in the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh yeah, command my my. When I was at Buds
the command master Chief was Dennis Talker, who was a
plank owner at Seal Team six. When when when Dick
Marcinko started he chose that he was one of the
original guys. Well, he was in the movie along with
two instructors of mine Joe Haas and an instructor Decker
(29:17):
and these guys like it was really kind of the
first time other than Hubert Humphreys in a couple others,
he's the real guru of Seal tactical uh consulting in
the movie business. But these guys, he was the first
time that they were. There was a ton of Team
guys in this movie. It was awesome to see them.
We loved it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's very very cool. Idea did you know this whole time?
I know they were actual seals playing seals in The Rock,
which is a movie we love. Probably made it even
tougher for them to get wiped out by the Marines
like they did. How did those guys, how did those
guys show themselves hanging out with the seals after that? Bro,
you went in as the seal and got taken out
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by the Marines. I would think that, yeah, you get
to be in a Hollywood movie. Downside, you got murdered,
taken out by guys you're supposed to be able to
kick their asks. This would be like New York bucketting
choked out by Jake Tapper. I don't Yeah, we get
to be in a movie, but I don't know that.
I don't know that we can show ourselves anymore on
in media, ye know? After that? Yeah, I mean, look,
Jake Tapper taps you out, You're you're in trouble. Will
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you appreciate you being part of the podcast network? You're
killing it For people who haven't signed up. How can
they find you?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You could just go to iHeartMedia app and just look
up to David Runningford Show. We're also on Spotify, Apple iTunes,
podcast everywhere. There's audio and you can also find us
on YouTube at Instagram, tic tac, the whole thing. Man,
we're out there. Just look up the David Rutherford Show.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Ohtastuf rut. Appreciate you. We got to get you out
on the rain soon because I got to get my
skills up to speed so that when Clay comes out
there as a first time or we're really going to
get some great footage.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh man, I cannot wait. We are going to run
play ragging out there. I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's gonna be awesome. All right, Ron, thank you sir.
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Coming up here a few minutes, we'll talk to our
friend Steve Hilton about how he is running for governor
in California. I also want to have him check in
on Remember the whole rebuilding of the Palisades situation you
had Gavin news Oh, he's like, we're gonna get rid
of We're gonna streamline all the bureaucracy. Excuse me, I
need a little more self tenor we're gonna streamline the bureaucracy.
(32:54):
We're gonna unbutton our shirts all the way down to
the navel. We're gonna just show everybody how we do
things up here. You know, Gavin Newsom is such a
clown and surprised people are unhappy with the pace of
the regulator, of the regulation removal for the rebuilding. The
whole thing is exactly as you would expect. We'll talking
about that California and more coming up here shortly. Also,
(33:16):
we haven't forgotten about Bernie Sanders. He's fighting the Oligaucky
from a private jet because that's the best way to
show people that you care about the working class. That's
a very good Bernie Sanders. I did grow up in
New York, as did Bernie, so this is where it
comes from. I do you think anybody who was actually
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some of the challenges when you get really powerful is
people will not say to you hey, this might be
a bad look. Do you think anybody went to Bernie
and said, hey, I understand that it's hard to travel
for an eighty three year old guy, and you have
access to a private jet, but the entire purpose of
your speaking tour is fighting the oligarch. It is insanely
(34:01):
hypocritical for you to be traveling in private playing. Do
you think he actually was asked this or do you
think people were so afraid of even having that conversation
that no staff member ever confronted Bernie with this? Does
that make sense? Like, to what extent did he consciously
choose this? The point of power is not to enforce
(34:22):
strict rules for everyone, including yourself. Right, If you are
a communist, socialist, whatever, you're a communist, what you want
is the ability to dictate different things for everybody else
than you dictate for yourself, Because that's real power.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
This is why people who say, oh, but communists want
a quality for everybody, No, they don't. That never happens.
Show me a communist country, I'll show you an absolute
hierarchy of extreme elites and deprivation for everybody else. So
Bernie Sanders, the socialist with three houses at least three
houses at this point, you know, flying flying private. He says, well,
(35:00):
we'll get to it. We'll get to We got a
little a little time before we dive. No, yeah, I
really want to dive into this because I have no
issue in general with people who have the resources using
the resources as they see fit. But using private resources
to advance public causes that are diametrically opposed to what
you are arguing publicly is such an outrageously hypocritical thing
(35:21):
that I can't believe that an honest in any way
person could make this choice. Well, I actually, you know,
I have a bigger problem, and again this is a preview.
I have a bigger problem with his message about the
Oli gaw key than I do with even his own
personal hypocrisy, because hypocrisy, the whole point for Democrats is
that they can be hypocritical because what they're doing is
so important that their own conduct doesn't matter. Right, That's
(35:43):
the so we can dive into that. You see a
lot of that in California, where our next guest, Steve Hilton,
is going to be running for governor. Now we're going
to ask about this because that's a non as a
non left wing loon. That's a steep climb. So we'll
ask him, you know, what's going on here. I don't
think he's going to waste his time and get you
twenty percent of the vote or something. I'm sure he's
(36:04):
got a plan in mind here for how he can
make some waves there. We'll discuss that with him. We'll
take some calls from you Californians who listen. We have
a huge California audience, which you always have to remember
a lot of Republicans in California and they listen. Take
some calls from you about what you think with Gavin
Newsom and the rebuilding that was supposed to happen, the
Palisades fire. We'll dive into that, We'll dive into Bernie
(36:25):
Sanders will take calls. Basically, going to be a third
hour that is a plus all around fighting, all a
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