September 16, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a powerful and politically charged discussion centered on violent crime in Memphis, the federal response led by President Trump, and the broader implications of urban decay under Democratic leadership. The hour opens with reflections on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, setting the tone for a deep dive into crime policy, political accountability, and law enforcement strategy.
President Trump’s Memphis Safe Task Force initiative is a focal point, modeled after his successful crime reduction efforts in Washington, D.C. The show highlights bipartisan support from Tennessee leaders including TN Governor Bill Lee, TN Senator Marsha Blackburn, and TN Senator Bill Haggerty, all of whom met with Trump in the Oval Office. The hosts emphasize that Memphis, despite being in a red state, suffers from Democratic urban governance, contributing to its ranking among the most dangerous cities in America.
Using SEO-rich comparisons, the show contrasts Memphis with other high-crime cities like St. Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, and Baltimore, and even draws parallels to international hotspots such as Colima, Mexico and South African cities. The hosts cite alarming statistics, including 397 homicides in Memphis in 2023, and extrapolate that if Memphis were the size of New York City, it would see over 4,000 murders annually.
The hour also explores the Luigi Mangione case, involving the alleged assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. The hosts criticize a judge’s decision to drop terrorism-related charges and discuss the suspect’s use of Discord, an online chat platform, to coordinate and confess. FBI Director Kash Patel testifies on Capitol Hill, revealing that the bureau is investigating ideological motives, funding sources, and potential co-conspirators within Discord communities. The show raises concerns about online radicalization, likening Discord to jihadist chat rooms and questioning the platform’s moderation policies.
Listeners from Memphis call in to share personal experiences, reinforcing the narrative of a city in decline. One caller, a 27-year-old Black man, confirms that crime surged post-2016 and expresses hope in Trump’s intervention. The hosts argue that Trump’s crime strategy is both politically savvy and morally necessary, positioning him as a leader willing to tackle issues Democrats have ignored.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us or continuing
(00:03):
to discuss the awful fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination
last week, and we will continue to do that during
the course of the program. But Buck, I thought we
could jump in here a bit to another interesting decision
that is taking place, which is having driven down crime
(00:26):
substantially in Washington, d C. And the numbers are pretty
extraordinary when it comes to violent crime. By surging National
Guard troops and by bringing to bear more resources to Washington,
D C. Trump, a lot of Democrats started saying, well,
Trump only is doing this in blue areas, right, And
(00:49):
the reality is cities which overwhelmingly have Democrat mayors are
where there are huge rates of violent crime. I think
has responded in an actually very smart way that continues
to be beneficial to the country. And he has said, look,
here's what we want to do. We are going to
(01:11):
go into a red state happens to be my home
state of Tennessee, and we are going to go into Memphis,
which has, according to much of the data out there,
among the highest rates per capita of violent crime anywhere
in the country, and we are going to surge support
in the city of Memphis. Senator Blackburn came on with
us yesterday and talked about this. Senator Haggerty in Tennessee
(01:35):
or in favor of it, Bill Lee, the governor of Tennessee.
They were all in the Oval Office with Trump yesterday
and here is Trump saying, cut twenty nine. I am
signing a presidential memorandum to help try and make Memphis
safer cut twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Today at the request of Governor Bill Lee of Tennessee
is standing with us. As you know, I'm signing a
presidential memoranda to establish the Memphis Safe Task Course. And
it's very important because of the crime that's going on,
not only in Memphis in many cities that we're going
to take care of all of them step by step,
(02:13):
just like we did in DC. We have virtually no
crime in DC right now, and we're going to keep
it that way. So Nation's Capital, we're going to keep
it that way, or we're going to federalize it if
we had to, but we don't have to anymore because
it's and says great.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Show, okay, So that's cut when we play this too.
This is the Governor of Tennessee, Bill Lee saying Thank you.
It's time to address crime in Memphis. Cut thirty one.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Thank you for your commitment for federal resources to the
great city of Memphis. And it is a great city,
and it has a great history at a great legacy,
and we are very hopeful and excited about the prospect
of moving that city forward. I've been in office seven years.
I'm tired of crime holding the great city of Memphis back.
(02:55):
And I have spoken today with the Director of the Marshalls,
with the Director of the FBI, with Joe BONDI we
realize that this effort of multi agencies that will combine
the work of the Tenessee Highway Patrol and the local
police departments, when we come together, we can make significant
(03:17):
change in our city.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, buck to me, more good results for President Trump.
This is I'm a born and raised Tennessee and I've
been to Memphis a lot over my life. Nashville and
Memphis used to have a rivalry. I know We've talked
about this. Lots of different states have multiple big cities.
I know a lot of y'all listening in Texas, for instance,
(03:38):
Houston and Dallas used to be a rivalry. What's the
better city in Tennessee, Nashville, or Memphis. Nobody even talks
about it anymore. Nashville has just left Memphis behind.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And a big real why for Memphis because of the
crime rate, which everyone's very aware is just completely out
of control. You know, there's only a couple of US
cities that sometimes make these lists of the most dangerous
per capita. Now, war is a different thing, right, but
we're talking about criminal murders, not we're not you know,
armed armed, uh, you know, militaries. The only some of
(04:12):
the only cities that make it onto those lists are Memphis,
Saint Louis, New Orleans, uh.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Detroit, Kansas City. There's relatively few.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
There's there's only a few of them that that get
on get on these lists. By the way, I was
curious about this. Do you know what has the just
interesting data? As I was pulling this, as we're talking
about this, well, what country has the city with You
won't guess the city because it's very obscure, and I
actually know something. I know a little bit about it,
so I'll get in a second. But what country do
you think has the highest per capita murder rate in
(04:43):
the world for a city?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I would think somewhere in uh well, probably Haiti.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I think that Haiti is off the list because I
don't even think that they are able to keep.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Because there's no central government. No, it's true, basically just
run by game.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I had a guy.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Who was in my my pistol instructor course, who's law enforcement,
and he's you know, Haitian American, and he said that
he used to because he grew he grew up there.
He became a US citizen and he said that he
used to go there and because he knew people and
everything else, he felt comfortable visiting his family.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
He'd be armed. And I said, do you go back now?
He goes?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
He goes no, because now it's like there are technicals,
like people with the trucks with the heavy machine guns,
and there's roving. He's like my carrying a pistol there
means nothing. Everyone's got machine guns and there's no there's
basically no central government. So Haiti is kind of it
in its own category. It's a failed state. So I
don't think that, Like, I don't think they know what
the Porter Prince murder rate is because I don't think
(05:42):
anyone's counting to Dan Mexico, Mexico because a narco terrorism. Yeah,
it's called Hima is the city in Mexico which is
kind of down a bit. And the reason that it's
such if the last couple of years, it is the
site of all out cartel wars because it had access
to a port on the Pacific side of Mexico, which
(06:04):
is where all the precursors are coming in for so
control of that port is essentially control of you know,
a lot that's stage. So it's it's a it's a
narco war, to be fair, there is something of a
narco war going on there. Tijuana, Mexico has a super
high murder rate. Some cities in South South Africa have
(06:25):
very very high murder rates per capita. But again bring
us back to the US context. It's New Orleans, Memphis,
Saint Louis, you know, Baltimore sometimes gets on there. And
this is just a list I bring the subclay because
this is a list that no American city should be on,
I think.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Once.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
The reason I bring up these other places is, yeah, okay, Collema, Mexico,
some little city. It's the site of a narco turf
war where they're just people are blasting each other in
broad daylight all the time. It's crazy. We're not a
failed state. Why should we have failed cities? I shouldn't
be this way, And I think that's what trumps. He's
changing the thinking about this. And we with d C
(07:06):
was a perfect place to start. And you and I
have lived in DC, so we've experienced this. Anyone who
lives in DC is like, this place is too violent,
too dangerous. I mean, there's some great things about DC,
but the crime rate is unacceptable. And I think he's
won this argument. Remember maryel Bowser, who I said at
the beginning, actually likes the idea of getting some help.
She's been pretty supportive of of well, actually supportive, it's
(07:28):
maybe too strong, but passive in.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Criticism, not publicly antagonistic consistently, which is I think what
the Memphis mayor said. Also, I was on Fox and
who was talking about this earlier this morning. Memphis used
to be a great city and the people of Memphis
deserve to have security. A lot of people who can
flee that city have My neighborhood in the Nashville area
(07:53):
is filled with successful Memphis refugees raising families who just
said it's not safe to raise family here. A lot
of people who could leave and can't afford to leave
have left Memphis, And to me, this is a sign
of Democrat failure because they've had I don't know the
last time Memphis had a Republican mayor, but it's just
(08:14):
gotten progressively worse and worse. And we have right now,
I believe, maybe the highest rated show in Memphis. So
there are a lot of people, you guys could load
up the lines I'm sure just from Memphis right now
that are saying Hallelujah, thank you. I told you this
last year.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Buck. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
In March, I was in Memphis for an athletic event
for my son. They were playing a private school there.
The lady was like what she told you in Saint Louis.
When you were visiting Saint Louis. The lady at the
front desk told me to be careful going out to
go to a gas station to buy a charger at
like a thirty at night. I mean, that is the
degree of crime and violence in Memphis that going to
(08:54):
a gas station in decent neighborhoods after dark, not late
at night. When you leave the hotel, they're saying, hey,
you've got to be careful. They also have I knew
Memphis was going into a tailspin buck a few years ago.
I was in Memphis and I was doing an event,
And if you ever go to a hotel that basically locks.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Down at night.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You can't get in a lot of Memphis hotels after
ten pm without going through security, even high level Memphis hotels.
This is a failed city, and it's failed because Democrat
leadership has allowed it to occur. They aren't doing their
job of taking violent people off the streets and keeping
them there. Memphis police, remember the Tyree Nichols case just vanished.
(09:43):
But that innocent guy's driving gets the crap beaten out
of him by Memphis police. Because all the cops were black,
and because Tyree Nichols was black, that story just vanished.
It was worse by far to me than the George
Floyd case, but because it was not a racial element
to that case, it just vanished. Again. Not every cop
(10:06):
is perfect, but I think it's instructive of the collapse
that we've seen in law and order in Memphis.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I always think of when New York was at its
absolute worst for homicides early nineties ninety ninety one over
two thousand. If you were to on a per capita basis,
look at Memphis in twenty twenty three had three hundred
and ninety seven homicides play. That means that if Memphis
(10:32):
in twenty twenty three was this, you know, per capita
of the size of New York, New York, it's about
twelve ish times the size. Let's just say so, we'll
say ten plus, you're looking at four thousand murders.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Four thousand murders if you were to be the size
of New York City. To put it in perspective, Memphis
has more murders than New York City overall, right up, yes,
straight up, right up. Which is so it clearly has
more than ten times a murder rate. And that's just unacceptable.
And the efforts to demail and eye Trump over this,
I really think that they are just failing. And Democrats
(11:05):
are floundering on this one. They don't really know how
to handle it, because what is the argument that we
should have a great city with its heritage and you know,
music and rock and roll and all this that is
on the list for you know, along with like Narco
war places and parts of South Africa where people have
(11:25):
to hire like private security details and have you know,
flamethrowers on the sides of their cars. Yeah, carjackings like
this is not this is not what it should be.
And I think that Trump taking this on makes a
lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And also it would just be good. It's just the
right thing to do.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yes, And I think Trump has innately gotten this and
the criticism of Democrats of well, why are you just
focusing on DC? I think Trump has said, you know what,
good point, we need to do this lots of places,
So Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Saint Louis, Kansas City, you
name it, Detroit. When you look at these cities that
(12:02):
have incredibly high per capitove isolent crime rates, let's address
it and try to solve it, at least drive it
down massively, like we have seen take place in Washington,
d C. I think this is something where we've talked
about it. Trump's political instincts are strong here because crime
is out of control in the mind of many Americans,
and so fixing it is something that a politician should do.
(12:24):
It's also morally the right thing to do. It's awfully
oftentimes a great situation when the political and the moral
come together and demand and beg for the exact response
that we are seeing from President Trump and Memphis. So
if you're in Memphis and you want to react, I'm
curious how conversations in Memphis are going about this, And
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Speaker 4 (14:22):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've
got an update on a different assassination case than the
one we've been very focused on for the last few days,
the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United
Healthcare CEO, and this one to updates. Well, update you
(14:42):
on what happened, and then you'll hear about what it
sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where
we are for this week. A judge is thrown out
the top counts in Luigi Mangio Andi State murder case,
rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a
terrorist and a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Greg Carrow
tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an
(15:03):
act of terrorism and murder in the second degree is
an active terrorism against the twenty seven year old. He
did keep alive the other second degree murder charge for
allegedly executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December fourth
of twenty twenty four. Let me see, the people presented
sufficient evidence that defender murder Brian Thompson. That does not
(15:24):
mean the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so
this judge is a moron. Yes, so the judges a moron.
That was quick. Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And
speaking of idiots, here is outside the courthouse when the
top counts were dropped against this guy. This is what
it sounded like to a bunch of people from a
bunch of people gathered. I have a lot of feelings
(15:58):
about this club. One thing is you know, the whole
both sides of Is them not a single.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Trump voter in that crowd? I can assure you not one.
It's all leftists, all Democrats.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, this is where I think a lot of us,
and I'll put myself in this camp. Became aware of
the uniquely toxic environment on the left when just down
the road from where we are doing our show, you
can almost see the location of this assassination of the
United Healthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on
(16:27):
the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating,
so the CEO should have expected that he might get
killed and even said it's a good thing. And they
tried to turn Luigi and Angeoni into a heart thraw
because remember it took multiple days to catch him because
he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled.
There's the bike racks right outside the front of this
(16:48):
building where he grabbed a bike and then vanished.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred,
so we know that street very well. And I just
I think about one the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him
and his We we'll talk more also about they're looking
into who else knew and what did they know, and
was anyone aiding in a betting in any way. We'll
(17:11):
get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they
certainly were aware of these in the discord chats which
I was learning about what discord is. Certainly we're aware
of Luigi And wasn't the joke. Wasn't there a joke made,
you know, don't go to a McDonald's or something among them,
because that's where.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Luigi got caught.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think, yeah, that's right, McDonald He got turned in
by a guy who recognized him at a I think
it was a Pennsylvania era area kind of rural location
where the guy recognized him. And I just again there
to your point, there is no equivalent to this on
the right. I can't remember a situation like this where
(17:50):
we've seen a reaction.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are here in
in New York City. Down in DC, Cash Pattel, director
of the FBI, is testifying on Capitol Hill and this
came out a little bit earlier. Senator Josh Hawley of
Missouri was asking Cash Battel, Hey, we know that this
(19:17):
one guy has been arrested, that he is a left
wing zealot, and there are lots of suggestions out there
that many people in the trans community may well have
known that this attack was coming, based on different social
media posts, different activity out there. The investigation is ongoing,
(19:40):
but this question cut forty I believe is from Senator
Josh Holly and Missouri for Cash Battel. Listen to the
answer here.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
It is in.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Terms of what we do for an interrogation perspective, we
go and reach out to the family and community immediately,
and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations with local law enforcement,
and we're continuing to do that because as those closest
to the suspect are going to hopefully know the most
about the suspect and his beliefs and his ideology. On
top of that, unfortunately has been leaked that there was
(20:10):
a discord chat, and for those unfamiliar with it, it's
a gaming chat room online that the suspect participated in.
So what we're doing, we've already done, is sort of
legal process, not just on discord, so that the information
we gathered is sustained and held in a evidentiary posture
(20:31):
that we could use in prosecution should it be decided
to do so. And we're also going to be investigating
anyone and everyone involved in that discord chat.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
I see the public reports that the discord thread had
as many as twenty additional users. It sounds like you're
trying to run down all of that to see if
that's accurate. Who else may have been on that thread,
what they may have known. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
It's a lot more than that. We're running them all down.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
It's a lot more than twenty. Yes, any're running all
of that too, every single one.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Okay, So one of the challenges here, Buck, and again
that's Cash Betel responding today testifying on Capitol Hill, is
going to be did people know or did they not
know about this plan? Because there are a lot of
social media posts saying that something was going to happen
to Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know,
(21:20):
buck to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over
the place are posts like this comment? In other words,
were death threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people
regularly said, Oh, something's going to happen to Charlie when
he speaks at this location or that location. I'm sure
the FBI is looking into it. But the trans universe
out there, that is, the people that are connected to
(21:42):
this trans individual that the alleged killer was living with,
seems fairly substantial. And many of those people were very active,
and they tried to scrub a lot of the commentary
by deleting accounts and by deleting comments that were posted.
It's going to be a big part of this investigation,
I think, to find out how many people might have
(22:02):
been involved or had pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
They're going to look at everything they can and get
into these discord chats. The thing about all these electronic
communications is that people think.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
That their security.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
On them, meaning you can say things and the authorities
won't find out. No, they can get into it, and
they will. They'll get into all these different servers and
see what was said, and they'll also I think, chase
down additional needs as well. There's been discussion from Cash,
but tell about funding for this incident or anything similar
(22:41):
to it, any left wing terrorism that is out there.
They want to see who is funding this stuff. I
think that's also very important. Cash saying that we are,
in essence, we are going to here you go. Actually,
this is cut one. Would you guys play this one
for me. I wanted to pull this one up. Here's
Cash saying they're going to go wherever the money.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's
terrorism or a tax based on ideology or a tax
on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying
for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps. We
are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse
engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who
funded them and knowingly funded them, and we will bring
(23:22):
the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DJ.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Follow the money terrorism or tax based on ideology someone
is paying for it. Is he speaking Clay, you think
just in general about these kinds of violent incidents, or
is there something about this one in particular because the
rifle that was used. You notice there's not much of
a talk about gun control because if you try to
(23:50):
ban this rifle, you're banning I mean, this is basically
an old school bolt action hunting rifle. Is essentially the
murder weapon that was used here, the assassination weapon that
was used. So that's not you know, there's nothing about
that that is expensive or sophisticated or out of the ordinary.
I think it's interesting. I'm not sure if Cash is
(24:10):
just speaking about this to set a general tone that
for any of these incidents, and if there's going to
be in the future, let's say Antifah or Trantifa riots
and neighborhoods, are they being funded by some of these
shadowy carvouts that have tie ins to anybody funded by
Soros or whatever it may be. Or is there something
about this that they're specifically looking at a money trail.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's for him to bring this up.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money
in this incident, whether whether there's anything that they've seen
that makes them think because they're looking for co conspirators,
they're looking for people that new, they're looking at all
these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics
of this would require financing. Really, it's not like you know,
jihatas terrorists you have to get Maybe they're getting fake
(24:57):
passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over
he here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly
don't know yet, and that even the FBI doesn't know
they're trying to chase down.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass
protests have not existed for year one of Trump. I
know there have been some. They had that one No
King's Day or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
But it's kind of a dud, sad exclamation.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Kind of a dud. The anti Trump protests on Inauguration Day.
You and I have talked about being in the midst
of those and how sad and muted they felt.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
It was cold.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
We want to give those old ladies a cup of
hot coco. Yeah, Like I just I felt like they
needed bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles.
It was sad out there.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I walked into Fox News today and there were eight
or so bedraggled protesters, all seventy five or older, standing
outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat
intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have
kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder
(26:03):
is did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize
that they were going to get looked into in a
real way, because remember how suspicious it always was. Some
dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just
be bricks that were able to be picked up in
two by fours and other objects of violence that just
materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters.
(26:26):
I think a lot of us have come to recognize
that there are many people who paid to show up.
But it does feel like those overall, what they tried
to label organic protests, have suddenly vanished.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
In Trump two points, there was clearly a rent a
mob phenomenon that had occurred in previous left wing protests.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I think that's definitely the case.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I also think that now when they look at the
places where this stuff is being organized and planned out,
it Is in places like these discord chats. This has
become and I think the perfect example is neither you
nor I, who are very Internet aware and active are
(27:07):
on discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not
on Twitch. But if you were to think about where
do people in Antifa and where do those kinds of
radicals find each other? I mean, I go back play
to the old Jihattis chat room. This was something that
for a long time and a lot of the counter
(27:27):
terrorism investigations of the call it the twenty tens around there.
It all started with people who found each other. This
is now jihatas terrorism we're talking about. But they found
each other on a chat and then maybe they started
attending the same mosque, they'd try to go to a
more radical mosque, and then maybe they would start doing
(27:48):
a little bit of firearms training together or talking about
how to build a bomb. And they would share articles
from Inspire, which was out kaiding the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda
to arms Slash, telling people go go do terror attacks.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Here's how you do it, right.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
But they were finding people in these chatteroms at the point,
and then it became very clear over time FBI and
other entities are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going
on there, and I think that they're going to find
a lot of really scary and very likely illegal stuff
(28:25):
being discussed when they start to look at the because
these things tend to be linked to each other, Right,
this group is talking, maybe this group also has this
other group and they communicate in this online ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord.
And I know a lot of you are not hyper
online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a
series of private message boards. And I think when they
now know that this Discord group chat that cash Betel
referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot
(28:56):
of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should
Discord chats right? Like? And again I understand this is
getting into weeds a little bit for some of you,
but Reddit is a public forum. Twitter is a public forum.
That is everybody can see what is posted on these.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
So if you or I are tweeting at somebody, hey,
let's get the rent a mob together to go, uh,
you know, go bash some windows down at this place
at this time, guess who else is seeing it at
the cops and everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, so that that they can track. But I wonder
to what extent there's going to be questions now raised
about private message board servers in Discord and the conversations
that are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Is that
because it's bringing strangers together? And this is what I
mean about the old the old school jihatas chat rooms. Yeah,
(29:46):
this is where people would find each other on that's right,
and then that's the form that would be the formation
of the cell or the formation of the sort of
radicalization process would start there and then things would follow
onto that. Then the action would come instead of the
old school chat room, which you know now it's this
specifically these Discord servers. So I wonder how much of
(30:09):
an investigation is going to go on here. And I
think you're raising good interesting questions, which are how much
of these private conversations in a public forum Discord is
a company that is hosting and making money off of these,
how much of them are incredibly toxic and how many
of them are criminal in nature?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes
to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for
authorities to monitor those conversations.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I wonder what kind of uh, what do they call
it when they know they have the people like moderating,
thank you moderating, Because Facebook and these and these other
major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation they've
they've had to, but they also I'm sure using not
just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this discord maybe
(31:01):
kind of the wild West a little bit.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
That's the sense you get, right.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
It may be almost like and anything goes in this
chat room, and these people feel like no one else
is going to see this or find this, And as
the FBI starts to kick over some of those stones,
we could see some really ugly stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Also, reportedly, this assassin confessed in discord. Yeah, that would
suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective tissue
for him. And to your point, I wonder how much
of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating from
(31:37):
these toxic people finding each other and driving each other
to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize the
hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of hate
on all sorts of social media sites, but I think
there's a difference between public that is what everybody can see,
and private, which is taking place on these discord chats.
(31:57):
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you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back in to
Clay and back. We'll take some calls and talkbacks now.
I want to hear from all of you.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Also. Momentarily, I believe they're.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Going to be announcing the official charges against the assassin
of Charlie Kirk. So that will be happening here momentarily
and we will bring that to you live if if
that is, if that does in fact happen in just
a few minutes. So we'll get to calls first here
Guy in Albany, Oregon, Guy, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Hey, guys, thank you so much. And my heart is
just broken for charity and especially as family and as
little kids. Yes, anyway, I wanted to talk about Memphis.
I just couldn't believe that I got out of Navy
boot camp in early nineteen eighty and got sent to Millington, Tennessee,
which is just very close to Memphis. We had base
(33:57):
buses that would go back and forth over there all
the time. We had so much fun down and Overdon Square,
so late at night and everything else. Even watched Van
Halen live way back then. That's when Roth was still
with him, and we walked all over through that town.
There was never anything going on except just a lot
of fun. They wanted people to come in and have fun.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
I'm just wondering what the heck happened to Memphis? When
and how did this get so freaking crazy that now?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
You know, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Guys, thank you for calling in, And I'll put this
to Clay because he's our resident Tennessee expert. Did Memphis
have a downturn period where it was clear that it
you know, was it like the nineties or when when
did it start to become so dangerous?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think it was. You know,
what's the great line from him away about how you
go bankrupt?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Bankrupt?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Rather?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, gradually and then all at once. Yeah, it progressively
got worse. And I remember going to Memphis again. I've
been going my whole life. I really started to note
Nashville and Memphis moving in opposite directions in a big way.
Around two thousand and it was as if every year
(35:11):
Nashville got better and Memphis got worse, because as a
kid in the eighties and the nineties, you would go
back and forth, kind of good naturedly over Memphis or Nashville,
which is better. And about two thousand and two or
two thousand and three, that argument just ended, and it
has just precipitously gotten worse. I think what's happened, Buck,
is a lot of the people with substantial assets, resources
(35:32):
and the ability to move, they left.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, it creates a vortex effect. It keeps getting worse.
Chris lives in Memphis. Once talk to us about it.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Chris?
Speaker 9 (35:40):
Yeah, Hello, okay out.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Here, we gotcha, Yeah, we got you.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Oh well, yeah, I'm just seven year old black man
from Missus.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Man.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
This the crime is getting out of patrol.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Impar When did you sorry to cut you off? Chris
Buck asked a question, when did you notice it starting
to get really bad there?
Speaker 9 (35:59):
You're twenty seven, I'm gonna say about twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And you want more resources there to help Memphis people.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean, Yo, we really do neo because it's
crazy than we would top five, top team and murder rate.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yep, it's nuts. Yeah, Chris, you know the Trump cavalry, though,
I think is coming. I think he is going to
really try to help your city and that would be
a great thing. I assume you agree with that.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Yes, sir, I do, an RFP Charlie.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Kurkler, absolutely, Chris, thank you for calling in from Memphis.
Appreciate you listening, Thanks for waiting to get into the
conversation here. We are going to have these charges announced,
I believe shortly. And also more on this Luigi Mangioni situation.
That's all coming up in just a moment.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us or continuing
(00:03):
to discuss the awful fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination
last week, and we will continue to do that during
the course of the program. But Buck, I thought we
could jump in here a bit to another interesting decision
that is taking place, which is having driven down crime
(00:26):
substantially in Washington, d C. And the numbers are pretty
extraordinary when it comes to violent crime. By surging National
Guard troops and by bringing to bear more resources to Washington,
D C. Trump, a lot of Democrats started saying, well,
Trump only is doing this in blue areas, right, And
(00:49):
the reality is cities which overwhelmingly have Democrat mayors are
where there are huge rates of violent crime. I think
has responded in an actually very smart way that continues
to be beneficial to the country. And he has said, look,
here's what we want to do. We are going to
(01:11):
go into a red state happens to be my home
state of Tennessee, and we are going to go into Memphis,
which has, according to much of the data out there,
among the highest rates per capita of violent crime anywhere
in the country, and we are going to surge support
in the city of Memphis. Senator Blackburn came on with
us yesterday and talked about this. Senator Haggerty in Tennessee
(01:35):
or in favor of it, Bill Lee, the governor of Tennessee.
They were all in the Oval Office with Trump yesterday
and here is Trump saying, cut twenty nine. I am
signing a presidential memorandum to help try and make Memphis
safer cut twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Today at the request of Governor Bill Lee of Tennessee
is standing with us. As you know, I'm signing a
presidential memoranda to establish the Memphis Safe Task Course. And
it's very important because of the crime that's going on,
not only in Memphis in many cities that we're going
to take care of all of them step by step,
(02:13):
just like we did in DC. We have virtually no
crime in DC right now, and we're going to keep
it that way. So Nation's Capital, we're going to keep
it that way, or we're going to federalize it if
we had to, but we don't have to anymore because
it's and says great.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Show, okay, So that's cut when we play this too.
This is the Governor of Tennessee, Bill Lee saying Thank you.
It's time to address crime in Memphis. Cut thirty one.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Thank you for your commitment for federal resources to the
great city of Memphis. And it is a great city,
and it has a great history at a great legacy,
and we are very hopeful and excited about the prospect
of moving that city forward. I've been in office seven years.
I'm tired of crime holding the great city of Memphis back.
(02:55):
And I have spoken today with the Director of the Marshalls,
with the Director of the FBI, with Joe BONDI we
realize that this effort of multi agencies that will combine
the work of the Tenessee Highway Patrol and the local
police departments, when we come together, we can make significant
(03:17):
change in our city.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, buck to me, more good results for President Trump.
This is I'm a born and raised Tennessee and I've
been to Memphis a lot over my life. Nashville and
Memphis used to have a rivalry. I know We've talked
about this. Lots of different states have multiple big cities.
I know a lot of y'all listening in Texas, for instance,
(03:38):
Houston and Dallas used to be a rivalry. What's the
better city in Tennessee, Nashville, or Memphis. Nobody even talks
about it anymore. Nashville has just left Memphis behind.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And a big real why for Memphis because of the
crime rate, which everyone's very aware is just completely out
of control. You know, there's only a couple of US
cities that sometimes make these lists of the most dangerous
per capita. Now, war is a different thing, right, but
we're talking about criminal murders, not we're not you know,
armed armed, uh, you know, militaries. The only some of
(04:12):
the only cities that make it onto those lists are Memphis,
Saint Louis, New Orleans, uh.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Detroit, Kansas City. There's relatively few.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
There's there's only a few of them that that get
on get on these lists. By the way, I was
curious about this. Do you know what has the just
interesting data? As I was pulling this, as we're talking
about this, well, what country has the city with You
won't guess the city because it's very obscure, and I
actually know something. I know a little bit about it,
so I'll get in a second. But what country do
you think has the highest per capita murder rate in
(04:43):
the world for a city?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I would think somewhere in uh well, probably Haiti.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I think that Haiti is off the list because I
don't even think that they are able to keep.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Because there's no central government. No, it's true, basically just
run by game.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I had a guy.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Who was in my my pistol instructor course, who's law enforcement,
and he's you know, Haitian American, and he said that
he used to because he grew he grew up there.
He became a US citizen and he said that he
used to go there and because he knew people and
everything else, he felt comfortable visiting his family.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
He'd be armed. And I said, do you go back now?
He goes?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
He goes no, because now it's like there are technicals,
like people with the trucks with the heavy machine guns,
and there's roving. He's like my carrying a pistol there
means nothing. Everyone's got machine guns and there's no there's
basically no central government. So Haiti is kind of it
in its own category. It's a failed state. So I
don't think that, Like, I don't think they know what
the Porter Prince murder rate is because I don't think
(05:42):
anyone's counting to Dan Mexico, Mexico because a narco terrorism. Yeah,
it's called Hima is the city in Mexico which is
kind of down a bit. And the reason that it's
such if the last couple of years, it is the
site of all out cartel wars because it had access
to a port on the Pacific side of Mexico, which
(06:04):
is where all the precursors are coming in for so
control of that port is essentially control of you know,
a lot that's stage. So it's it's a it's a
narco war, to be fair, there is something of a
narco war going on there. Tijuana, Mexico has a super
high murder rate. Some cities in South South Africa have
(06:25):
very very high murder rates per capita. But again bring
us back to the US context. It's New Orleans, Memphis,
Saint Louis, you know, Baltimore sometimes gets on there. And
this is just a list I bring the subclay because
this is a list that no American city should be on,
I think.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Once.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
The reason I bring up these other places is, yeah, okay, Collema, Mexico,
some little city. It's the site of a narco turf
war where they're just people are blasting each other in
broad daylight all the time. It's crazy. We're not a
failed state. Why should we have failed cities? I shouldn't
be this way, And I think that's what trumps. He's
changing the thinking about this. And we with d C
(07:06):
was a perfect place to start. And you and I
have lived in DC, so we've experienced this. Anyone who
lives in DC is like, this place is too violent,
too dangerous. I mean, there's some great things about DC,
but the crime rate is unacceptable. And I think he's
won this argument. Remember maryel Bowser, who I said at
the beginning, actually likes the idea of getting some help.
She's been pretty supportive of of well, actually supportive, it's
(07:28):
maybe too strong, but passive in.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Criticism, not publicly antagonistic consistently, which is I think what
the Memphis mayor said. Also, I was on Fox and
who was talking about this earlier this morning. Memphis used
to be a great city and the people of Memphis
deserve to have security. A lot of people who can
flee that city have My neighborhood in the Nashville area
(07:53):
is filled with successful Memphis refugees raising families who just
said it's not safe to raise family here. A lot
of people who could leave and can't afford to leave
have left Memphis, And to me, this is a sign
of Democrat failure because they've had I don't know the
last time Memphis had a Republican mayor, but it's just
(08:14):
gotten progressively worse and worse. And we have right now,
I believe, maybe the highest rated show in Memphis. So
there are a lot of people, you guys could load
up the lines I'm sure just from Memphis right now
that are saying Hallelujah, thank you. I told you this
last year.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Buck. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
In March, I was in Memphis for an athletic event
for my son. They were playing a private school there.
The lady was like what she told you in Saint Louis.
When you were visiting Saint Louis. The lady at the
front desk told me to be careful going out to
go to a gas station to buy a charger at
like a thirty at night. I mean, that is the
degree of crime and violence in Memphis that going to
(08:54):
a gas station in decent neighborhoods after dark, not late
at night. When you leave the hotel, they're saying, hey,
you've got to be careful. They also have I knew
Memphis was going into a tailspin buck a few years ago.
I was in Memphis and I was doing an event,
And if you ever go to a hotel that basically locks.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Down at night.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You can't get in a lot of Memphis hotels after
ten pm without going through security, even high level Memphis hotels.
This is a failed city, and it's failed because Democrat
leadership has allowed it to occur. They aren't doing their
job of taking violent people off the streets and keeping
them there. Memphis police, remember the Tyree Nichols case just vanished.
(09:43):
But that innocent guy's driving gets the crap beaten out
of him by Memphis police. Because all the cops were black,
and because Tyree Nichols was black, that story just vanished.
It was worse by far to me than the George
Floyd case, but because it was not a racial element
to that case, it just vanished. Again. Not every cop
(10:06):
is perfect, but I think it's instructive of the collapse
that we've seen in law and order in Memphis.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I always think of when New York was at its
absolute worst for homicides early nineties ninety ninety one over
two thousand. If you were to on a per capita basis,
look at Memphis in twenty twenty three had three hundred
and ninety seven homicides play. That means that if Memphis
(10:32):
in twenty twenty three was this, you know, per capita
of the size of New York, New York, it's about
twelve ish times the size. Let's just say so, we'll
say ten plus, you're looking at four thousand murders.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Four thousand murders if you were to be the size
of New York City. To put it in perspective, Memphis
has more murders than New York City overall, right up, yes,
straight up, right up. Which is so it clearly has
more than ten times a murder rate. And that's just unacceptable.
And the efforts to demail and eye Trump over this,
I really think that they are just failing. And Democrats
(11:05):
are floundering on this one. They don't really know how
to handle it, because what is the argument that we
should have a great city with its heritage and you know,
music and rock and roll and all this that is
on the list for you know, along with like Narco
war places and parts of South Africa where people have
(11:25):
to hire like private security details and have you know,
flamethrowers on the sides of their cars. Yeah, carjackings like
this is not this is not what it should be.
And I think that Trump taking this on makes a
lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And also it would just be good. It's just the
right thing to do.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yes, And I think Trump has innately gotten this and
the criticism of Democrats of well, why are you just
focusing on DC? I think Trump has said, you know what,
good point, we need to do this lots of places,
So Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Saint Louis, Kansas City, you
name it, Detroit. When you look at these cities that
(12:02):
have incredibly high per capitove isolent crime rates, let's address
it and try to solve it, at least drive it
down massively, like we have seen take place in Washington,
d C. I think this is something where we've talked
about it. Trump's political instincts are strong here because crime
is out of control in the mind of many Americans,
and so fixing it is something that a politician should do.
(12:24):
It's also morally the right thing to do. It's awfully
oftentimes a great situation when the political and the moral
come together and demand and beg for the exact response
that we are seeing from President Trump and Memphis. So
if you're in Memphis and you want to react, I'm
curious how conversations in Memphis are going about this, And
I am cautiously optimistic this is going to go really well. Look,
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Speaker 4 (14:22):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've
got an update on a different assassination case than the
one we've been very focused on for the last few days,
the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United
Healthcare CEO, and this one to updates. Well, update you
(14:42):
on what happened, and then you'll hear about what it
sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where
we are for this week. A judge is thrown out
the top counts in Luigi Mangio Andi State murder case,
rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a
terrorist and a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Greg Carrow
tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an
(15:03):
act of terrorism and murder in the second degree is
an active terrorism against the twenty seven year old. He
did keep alive the other second degree murder charge for
allegedly executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December fourth
of twenty twenty four. Let me see, the people presented
sufficient evidence that defender murder Brian Thompson. That does not
(15:24):
mean the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so
this judge is a moron. Yes, so the judges a moron.
That was quick. Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And
speaking of idiots, here is outside the courthouse when the
top counts were dropped against this guy. This is what
it sounded like to a bunch of people from a
bunch of people gathered. I have a lot of feelings
(15:58):
about this club. One thing is you know, the whole
both sides of Is them not a single.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Trump voter in that crowd? I can assure you not one.
It's all leftists, all Democrats.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, this is where I think a lot of us,
and I'll put myself in this camp. Became aware of
the uniquely toxic environment on the left when just down
the road from where we are doing our show, you
can almost see the location of this assassination of the
United Healthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on
(16:27):
the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating,
so the CEO should have expected that he might get
killed and even said it's a good thing. And they
tried to turn Luigi and Angeoni into a heart thraw
because remember it took multiple days to catch him because
he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled.
There's the bike racks right outside the front of this
(16:48):
building where he grabbed a bike and then vanished.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred,
so we know that street very well. And I just
I think about one the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him
and his We we'll talk more also about they're looking
into who else knew and what did they know, and
was anyone aiding in a betting in any way. We'll
(17:11):
get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they
certainly were aware of these in the discord chats which
I was learning about what discord is. Certainly we're aware
of Luigi And wasn't the joke. Wasn't there a joke made,
you know, don't go to a McDonald's or something among them,
because that's where.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Luigi got caught.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think, yeah, that's right, McDonald He got turned in
by a guy who recognized him at a I think
it was a Pennsylvania era area kind of rural location
where the guy recognized him. And I just again there
to your point, there is no equivalent to this on
the right. I can't remember a situation like this where
(17:50):
we've seen a reaction.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are here in
in New York City. Down in DC, Cash Pattel, director
of the FBI, is testifying on Capitol Hill and this
came out a little bit earlier. Senator Josh Hawley of
Missouri was asking Cash Battel, Hey, we know that this
(19:17):
one guy has been arrested, that he is a left
wing zealot, and there are lots of suggestions out there
that many people in the trans community may well have
known that this attack was coming, based on different social
media posts, different activity out there. The investigation is ongoing,
(19:40):
but this question cut forty I believe is from Senator
Josh Holly and Missouri for Cash Battel. Listen to the
answer here.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
It is in.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Terms of what we do for an interrogation perspective, we
go and reach out to the family and community immediately,
and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations with local law enforcement,
and we're continuing to do that because as those closest
to the suspect are going to hopefully know the most
about the suspect and his beliefs and his ideology. On
top of that, unfortunately has been leaked that there was
(20:10):
a discord chat, and for those unfamiliar with it, it's
a gaming chat room online that the suspect participated in.
So what we're doing, we've already done, is sort of
legal process, not just on discord, so that the information
we gathered is sustained and held in a evidentiary posture
(20:31):
that we could use in prosecution should it be decided
to do so. And we're also going to be investigating
anyone and everyone involved in that discord chat.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
I see the public reports that the discord thread had
as many as twenty additional users. It sounds like you're
trying to run down all of that to see if
that's accurate. Who else may have been on that thread,
what they may have known. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
It's a lot more than that. We're running them all down.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
It's a lot more than twenty. Yes, any're running all
of that too, every single one.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Okay, So one of the challenges here, Buck, and again
that's Cash Betel responding today testifying on Capitol Hill, is
going to be did people know or did they not
know about this plan? Because there are a lot of
social media posts saying that something was going to happen
to Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know,
(21:20):
buck to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over
the place are posts like this comment? In other words,
were death threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people
regularly said, Oh, something's going to happen to Charlie when
he speaks at this location or that location. I'm sure
the FBI is looking into it. But the trans universe
out there, that is, the people that are connected to
(21:42):
this trans individual that the alleged killer was living with,
seems fairly substantial. And many of those people were very active,
and they tried to scrub a lot of the commentary
by deleting accounts and by deleting comments that were posted.
It's going to be a big part of this investigation,
I think, to find out how many people might have
(22:02):
been involved or had pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
They're going to look at everything they can and get
into these discord chats. The thing about all these electronic
communications is that people think.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
That their security.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
On them, meaning you can say things and the authorities
won't find out. No, they can get into it, and
they will. They'll get into all these different servers and
see what was said, and they'll also I think, chase
down additional needs as well. There's been discussion from Cash,
but tell about funding for this incident or anything similar
(22:41):
to it, any left wing terrorism that is out there.
They want to see who is funding this stuff. I
think that's also very important. Cash saying that we are,
in essence, we are going to here you go. Actually,
this is cut one. Would you guys play this one
for me. I wanted to pull this one up. Here's
Cash saying they're going to go wherever the money.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's
terrorism or a tax based on ideology or a tax
on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying
for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps. We
are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse
engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who
funded them and knowingly funded them, and we will bring
(23:22):
the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DJ.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Follow the money terrorism or tax based on ideology someone
is paying for it. Is he speaking Clay, you think
just in general about these kinds of violent incidents, or
is there something about this one in particular because the
rifle that was used. You notice there's not much of
a talk about gun control because if you try to
(23:50):
ban this rifle, you're banning I mean, this is basically
an old school bolt action hunting rifle. Is essentially the
murder weapon that was used here, the assassination weapon that
was used. So that's not you know, there's nothing about
that that is expensive or sophisticated or out of the ordinary.
I think it's interesting. I'm not sure if Cash is
(24:10):
just speaking about this to set a general tone that
for any of these incidents, and if there's going to
be in the future, let's say Antifah or Trantifa riots
and neighborhoods, are they being funded by some of these
shadowy carvouts that have tie ins to anybody funded by
Soros or whatever it may be. Or is there something
about this that they're specifically looking at a money trail.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's for him to bring this up.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money
in this incident, whether whether there's anything that they've seen
that makes them think because they're looking for co conspirators,
they're looking for people that new, they're looking at all
these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics
of this would require financing. Really, it's not like you know,
jihatas terrorists you have to get Maybe they're getting fake
(24:57):
passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over
he here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly
don't know yet, and that even the FBI doesn't know
they're trying to chase down.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass
protests have not existed for year one of Trump. I
know there have been some. They had that one No
King's Day or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
But it's kind of a dud, sad exclamation.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Kind of a dud. The anti Trump protests on Inauguration Day.
You and I have talked about being in the midst
of those and how sad and muted they felt.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
It was cold.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
We want to give those old ladies a cup of
hot coco. Yeah, Like I just I felt like they
needed bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles.
It was sad out there.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I walked into Fox News today and there were eight
or so bedraggled protesters, all seventy five or older, standing
outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat
intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have
kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder
(26:03):
is did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize
that they were going to get looked into in a
real way, because remember how suspicious it always was. Some
dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just
be bricks that were able to be picked up in
two by fours and other objects of violence that just
materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters.
(26:26):
I think a lot of us have come to recognize
that there are many people who paid to show up.
But it does feel like those overall, what they tried
to label organic protests, have suddenly vanished.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
In Trump two points, there was clearly a rent a
mob phenomenon that had occurred in previous left wing protests.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I think that's definitely the case.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I also think that now when they look at the
places where this stuff is being organized and planned out,
it Is in places like these discord chats. This has
become and I think the perfect example is neither you
nor I, who are very Internet aware and active are
(27:07):
on discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not
on Twitch. But if you were to think about where
do people in Antifa and where do those kinds of
radicals find each other? I mean, I go back play
to the old Jihattis chat room. This was something that
for a long time and a lot of the counter
(27:27):
terrorism investigations of the call it the twenty tens around there.
It all started with people who found each other. This
is now jihatas terrorism we're talking about. But they found
each other on a chat and then maybe they started
attending the same mosque, they'd try to go to a
more radical mosque, and then maybe they would start doing
(27:48):
a little bit of firearms training together or talking about
how to build a bomb. And they would share articles
from Inspire, which was out kaiding the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda
to arms Slash, telling people go go do terror attacks.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Here's how you do it, right.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
But they were finding people in these chatteroms at the point,
and then it became very clear over time FBI and
other entities are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going
on there, and I think that they're going to find
a lot of really scary and very likely illegal stuff
(28:25):
being discussed when they start to look at the because
these things tend to be linked to each other, Right,
this group is talking, maybe this group also has this
other group and they communicate in this online ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord.
And I know a lot of you are not hyper
online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a
series of private message boards. And I think when they
now know that this Discord group chat that cash Betel
referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot
(28:56):
of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should
Discord chats right? Like? And again I understand this is
getting into weeds a little bit for some of you,
but Reddit is a public forum. Twitter is a public forum.
That is everybody can see what is posted on these.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
So if you or I are tweeting at somebody, hey,
let's get the rent a mob together to go, uh,
you know, go bash some windows down at this place
at this time, guess who else is seeing it at
the cops and everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, so that that they can track. But I wonder
to what extent there's going to be questions now raised
about private message board servers in Discord and the conversations
that are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Is that
because it's bringing strangers together? And this is what I
mean about the old the old school jihatas chat rooms. Yeah,
(29:46):
this is where people would find each other on that's right,
and then that's the form that would be the formation
of the cell or the formation of the sort of
radicalization process would start there and then things would follow
onto that. Then the action would come instead of the
old school chat room, which you know now it's this
specifically these Discord servers. So I wonder how much of
(30:09):
an investigation is going to go on here. And I
think you're raising good interesting questions, which are how much
of these private conversations in a public forum Discord is
a company that is hosting and making money off of these,
how much of them are incredibly toxic and how many
of them are criminal in nature?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes
to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for
authorities to monitor those conversations.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I wonder what kind of uh, what do they call
it when they know they have the people like moderating,
thank you moderating, Because Facebook and these and these other
major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation they've
they've had to, but they also I'm sure using not
just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this discord maybe
(31:01):
kind of the wild West a little bit.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
That's the sense you get, right.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
It may be almost like and anything goes in this
chat room, and these people feel like no one else
is going to see this or find this, And as
the FBI starts to kick over some of those stones,
we could see some really ugly stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Also, reportedly, this assassin confessed in discord. Yeah, that would
suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective tissue
for him. And to your point, I wonder how much
of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating from
(31:37):
these toxic people finding each other and driving each other
to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize the
hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of hate
on all sorts of social media sites, but I think
there's a difference between public that is what everybody can see,
and private, which is taking place on these discord chats.
(31:57):
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Clay and back. We'll take some calls and talkbacks now.
I want to hear from all of you.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Also. Momentarily, I believe they're.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Going to be announcing the official charges against the assassin
of Charlie Kirk. So that will be happening here momentarily
and we will bring that to you live if if
that is, if that does in fact happen in just
a few minutes. So we'll get to calls first here
Guy in Albany, Oregon, Guy, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Hey, guys, thank you so much. And my heart is
just broken for charity and especially as family and as
little kids. Yes, anyway, I wanted to talk about Memphis.
I just couldn't believe that I got out of Navy
boot camp in early nineteen eighty and got sent to Millington, Tennessee,
which is just very close to Memphis. We had base
(33:57):
buses that would go back and forth over there all
the time. We had so much fun down and Overdon Square,
so late at night and everything else. Even watched Van
Halen live way back then. That's when Roth was still
with him, and we walked all over through that town.
There was never anything going on except just a lot
of fun. They wanted people to come in and have fun.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
I'm just wondering what the heck happened to Memphis? When
and how did this get so freaking crazy that now?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
You know, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Guys, thank you for calling in, And I'll put this
to Clay because he's our resident Tennessee expert. Did Memphis
have a downturn period where it was clear that it
you know, was it like the nineties or when when
did it start to become so dangerous?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think it was. You know,
what's the great line from him away about how you
go bankrupt?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Bankrupt?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Rather?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, gradually and then all at once. Yeah, it progressively
got worse. And I remember going to Memphis again. I've
been going my whole life. I really started to note
Nashville and Memphis moving in opposite directions in a big way.
Around two thousand and it was as if every year
(35:11):
Nashville got better and Memphis got worse, because as a
kid in the eighties and the nineties, you would go
back and forth, kind of good naturedly over Memphis or Nashville,
which is better. And about two thousand and two or
two thousand and three, that argument just ended, and it
has just precipitously gotten worse. I think what's happened, Buck,
is a lot of the people with substantial assets, resources
(35:32):
and the ability to move, they left.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, it creates a vortex effect. It keeps getting worse.
Chris lives in Memphis. Once talk to us about it.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Chris?
Speaker 9 (35:40):
Yeah, Hello, okay out.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Here, we gotcha, Yeah, we got you.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Oh well, yeah, I'm just seven year old black man
from Missus.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Man.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
This the crime is getting out of patrol.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Impar When did you sorry to cut you off? Chris
Buck asked a question, when did you notice it starting
to get really bad there?
Speaker 9 (35:59):
You're twenty seven, I'm gonna say about twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And you want more resources there to help Memphis people.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean, Yo, we really do neo because it's
crazy than we would top five, top team and murder rate.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yep, it's nuts. Yeah, Chris, you know the Trump cavalry, though,
I think is coming. I think he is going to
really try to help your city and that would be
a great thing. I assume you agree with that.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Yes, sir, I do, an RFP Charlie.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Kurkler, absolutely, Chris, thank you for calling in from Memphis.
Appreciate you listening, Thanks for waiting to get into the
conversation here. We are going to have these charges announced,
I believe shortly. And also more on this Luigi Mangioni situation.
That's all coming up in just a moment.
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