December 15, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show continues with hard-hitting analysis of major news stories and cultural debates dominating headlines. The hour opens with updates on the Bondi Beach Hanukkah terror attack in Australia, where a father-son duo targeted Jewish worshippers, killing 15 people. Clay and Buck emphasize the ideological roots of this violence, linking it to the globalized Intifada and rising antisemitism since October 7th. They revisit the failure of Australian police during the attack and challenge the narrative that strict gun control laws prevent mass shootings, noting that Australia now has more guns than before its 1996 buyback program.
The conversation shifts to the Brown University shooting in Providence, Rhode Island, where the suspect remains at large after killing two and injuring nine during an exam session. The hosts question campus security and law enforcement effectiveness, highlighting the disturbing reality of violent crime in supposedly safe academic environments.
Another major topic is the shocking murder of Hollywood icon Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle, allegedly by their son during a mental health crisis. Clay and Buck reflect on Reiner’s legendary film career—spanning classics like The Princess Bride, Stand By Me, and A Few Good Men—while exploring broader issues of mental illness, involuntary commitment laws, and societal failure to address severe psychiatric disorders. They also critique President Trump’s controversial social media response to Reiner’s death, contrasting it with the respectful tone Reiner himself displayed after Charlie Kirk’s assassination earlier this year.
Midway through the hour, the hosts take a lighter detour with a spirited debate on music genres, including Clay’s provocative claim that traditional R&B is overrated, sparking listener reactions and humorous cultural commentary. They also touch on Broadway musicals, pop crossovers, and generational tastes, offering a rare glimpse of levity amid a heavy news cycle. The hour closes with a discussion on Gen Z economics and inflation, prompted by a listener call comparing gold prices and minimum wage from 1980 to today. Clay and Buck analyze how soaring housing costs, lifestyle expectations, and economic pressures fuel disillusionment and the appeal of socialism among younger Americans.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'll come back in our number two Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. We have been talking about the awful Hanika
Bondai Beach terror attack. Fifteen Jewish people slaughtered. Reports that
the two shooters told some of the fleeing individuals that
(00:22):
to just kind of get out of the way because
they wanted to make sure they could target Jews. Just fyi,
this is what globalized. The Intifada actually means, you stupid
moron college kids. This is a direct result of the
arguments you have made at trying to equivocate in some
(00:44):
way the response of Israel to the attacks of October seventh,
with the depredations that were delivered on that day October
seven to twenty twenty three, the fallout continue and we
had seen a massive increase in anti Semitic acts and
(01:06):
attacks in Sydney and in and in Melbourne. I believe Buck,
that there are more Holocaust survivors outside of outside obviously
of Israel and the United States, in Israel, in Australia,
that is, there is a huge population of Jewish people
(01:30):
in Australia. And this targeted act of violence by a
fifty year old father and his twenty four year old son.
That was the two shooters. The father is eventually shot
and killed, son is in custody and they were able
legally to I believe between the two of them, Buck
(01:54):
possess six different guns. So everybody out there who has said, hey, Australia,
you have solved all of its mass shooting problems. They've
banned guns, Buck gave us data in the first hour
that there's actually more guns in Australia since they banned
the guns back in nineteen ninety six. And again, I
(02:14):
think the cowardice of the Australian police is going to
become a bigger and bigger part of this story as
we go forward. Major public venue in daylight. The equivalent
basically of someone opening fire at a place like, as
you said, Buck, South Beach down in the Miami area
(02:37):
or out in out in California. For those of you
in LA or have spent time in LA. This is
like somebody opening fire at Santa Monica Beach and this
guy was able to shoot for these guys were able
to shoot for ten plus minutes. So a lot of
you weighing in on that. Okay, let's also update two
other stories, and unfortunately they are also awful in Rhode Island.
(03:05):
The Brown Killer, that is, the person who walked into
a Brown University classroom and killed two people and wounded nine,
several of them severely, is completely on the loose. There
is a video out there of him appearing to leave campus.
(03:26):
They took the wrong person into custody, and it doesn't
seem buck that they have any real leads at all.
The shooter wore all dark clothing. They were in the
middle of doing an exam study session and just walked
in and opened fire. And so we do not know
where at all this guy is. And I say guy
(03:48):
because it appears to be a man walking in all
black clothing in the videos that I have seen. So
that is out there. The shooting in Providence, Rhode Island
at Brown University. This story also came out late last night.
Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle were murdered, according to authorities,
in Los Angeles, by their son, Nick Reiner, stabbed to
(04:12):
death and Rob Reiner, whatever you think about his modern
po wrote throat slit was what I read.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Which is a particularly brutal then vicious way to go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So both of them found dead. Seventy eight year old
Rob Reiner sixty eight year old Michelle will come maybe
back to his politics in a sec here, But Buck,
you actually interviewed off air, I think you said Rob
Reiner at one point in time, and I'm going to
go through his film catalog, which in the late eighties
and the early nineties he hit on a string of
(04:49):
incredibly successful films, and this was before we all knew
his you know, left wing, frankly politics. But what did
you Rob Reiner to be like when you interviewed him
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think there's not going to be any surprise about
the fact that he had incredibly left wing politics. So
and thought that Trump was a hit Larryan figure. But
I also sit here and just say I don't really.
(05:26):
I think that the story here is much more so.
How is it that someone could have a family member
whose mental health is so out of control like this
over a period of time, that they would kill their
own parents like this? Yeah, because it was known that
he had met This wasn't like he snapped or something.
(05:47):
That it was known that he had mental health struggles
for a long time. If anything, you know, there's not
always a policy answer or policy solution. It's not always
something that you could make go away, or that could
have been solved or could have been different. So we'll
get more details about this clay, about the Rob Reiner
and wife double murder, which is what this is. But
(06:09):
it seems they've already taken the sun into custody. It
seems very likely that that is exactly what happened here.
That is the allegation certainly that is out there. And
I just think that if we're going to find something
that could be different other than looking to find ways
to push our society closer to God and the wholesomeness
(06:31):
of meaning that comes together from that sort of spiritual enlightenment,
but put that aside just for a moment. Maybe it's
just way too hard to commit people. I think that
this is something and I've seen this time and again
where there's some story and something completely terrible happens and
(06:51):
we have made it. And this stretches back for a
long time, so that even family members have a very
difficult time getting somebody committed to a psyche theatric facility
unless they want to be committed to a psychiatric facility.
Now you can imagine that people who are dangerously crazy,
they generally don't want to be committed to a psychiatric facility.
(07:13):
That's part of the war being dangerously crazy fin time. Unfortunately,
buck take their medicine right. One of the challenges of
crazy people is they start to get a little bit
better when they're on their meds, and then they start
to think, well, I don't actually need this anymore. By
the way, the movies on a positive side in the eighties,
(07:34):
this is spinal Tap, stand by me, The Princess Bride,
when Harry met Sally, Misery, a few good Men. All
of those in an eight year period was an incredible
string of successes for Rob Reiner as either director and
or producer. He was the director of all those movies,
(07:55):
also the producer of many of them as he started
to have success. So to all of those who continue
and to have the ability to string together. Now again
the Sun. We presume four million dollar bail out there.
I'm surprised that there would be any bail at all
for something of this magnitude that you would do.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But just a heinous thing. Now, I don't know why
Trump felt compelled. I will let me take a step back.
I will say, by and large, this is the difference
between the right and the left. I've seen almost and
correct me if I'm wrong. On this Buck team, you
can correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen zero public
celebration of Rob Reiner's death by anybody on the right.
(08:43):
I just haven't seen it. Right, he was a committed
left wing anti Trump person. I have not seen a
single thing out there by and large that is associated
with tap dancing or anything remotely akin to what happened
when Charlie Kirk died. And and so I say that
(09:04):
in a positive way. Trump, as Trump often did, stepped
in it. I thought, with his with his post about
Rob Reiner, I mean you and I I think have
the general perspective on this that remains consistent. When somebody dies,
generally speaking, you should, especially in a violent manner like this,
(09:25):
you should just condemn the violence and uh and move on.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And also there's also look, there's something particularly horrible clay
about a father and a mother being killed by their
own son. This should be a tragic story if it
was a home invasion or something like that, you know,
home invasion gone wrong turned into a double homicide. They
had the throat slip by their own son, alleged. I
know it's alleged right now, but you know, Okay, the
(09:50):
guy's in custody. I'm sure that there's a lot of
evidence that's going to be coming out here shortly. He
had a long struggle with schizophrenia and mental health. Yeah, sorry,
schizophreny and addiction. I meant to say schizophrenay, obviously is
mental health issue. So there's sort of a ticking time
bomb scenario. Look, a huge supporter of President trump'son so
(10:11):
many things. Nobody's perfect. I don't This was not the
right response, So you know, it's a miss Sometimes there
are misses. But I think that you can we can
all give a little grace to someone to their memory
after they have been allegedly murdered by their own son
with a butcher knife in their home with their wife
(10:33):
as well. It's a pretty horrific really, about as horrific
a story as you're going to come across these days.
I'll also mention that Rob Reiner actually went on Piers
Morgan uncensored and was not one of the crazy left
wingers who celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. This was
(10:53):
from late September September twenty sixth, twenty twenty five. This
was with peers More and this is what Rob Reiner
had to say about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Cut four. You
first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was
your immediate gut reaction to it?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, horror, absolute horror, and I unfortunately saw the video
of it, and it's beyond belief what happened to him,
and that should never happened to anybody.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable.
That's not a solution to solving problems. And I felt
like what his wife said at the service, that the
memorial they had was exactly right and totally I believe.
You know, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings
(11:52):
of Jesus, and I believe in doing to others, and
I believe in forgiveness. And what she said to me
was was beautiful and absolutely you know when she she
forgave his his assassin, and I think that that is admirable.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Very well said, yeah, that's ay for somebody who comes
from the other side of the political aisle. Yeah, that's
what you should do, which is just have a humane
or a basic human response to something like what happened
to Charlie Kirk. And that was why when I did
my scrolling through Blue Sky that night, which again I
think was necessary, but it was also haunting because you see,
(12:33):
so many people have been willing to completely abandon that
basic humanity in favor of left wing ideology of a
range on a whole range of things, so that that
part is distressing. But yeah, look, Rob Reiner Clay, I
don't think we have much more. I actually had more
to I want to get back to the Brown shooting
because I think that brings up some issues on the
(12:55):
policy side, other than being able to involuntarily commit somebody,
including somebody, most notably somebody in your own family because
you know them better than anybody, and you know this
is just a this is just a tragedy. I didn't
know what else to say about it other than it's
it's horrible and nobody should ever have to I mean,
think about what this does to the broader family as well.
A double murder and your own son did it. This
(13:18):
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killed by your own child. Pretty shocking. Again, alleged, not
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Speaker 1 (14:40):
Love and maybe even a little snow. Merry Christmas and
happy Honika from all of us at the Clay and
Buck Show.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. I know
it is the Christmas season and we're talking to some
heavy stuff today, So I'm just gonna take a moment,
Clay to to just bring us into the Christmas season,
to the Honka season, to the new year coming up here,
to my birthday, which is not technically a national holiday yet,
but perhaps perhaps in time as the Clay and Buck
(15:10):
Show continues to dominate, that will change. But I think
that well, one thing, it was really nice to have
you down here at South Florida. We have some good times. Well,
the Sex and Christmas Party I think was a big hit.
We had live with live music there jazz because nothing
is classier than random jazz, and we enjoyed it. And
(15:32):
I think the Michael Scott line is actually nothing is
classier than boring jazz, but I like to change that
up a little bit, so we had some fun with that.
And then we also had Dave. Dave Reuben had a
little holiday party. We checked that out. I went shooting
for the whole day on Saturday with my friend Schim
Michael Singleton. But you know, down here in Florida, we
do Christmas. We get it going. We've got palm trees
with lights on them, you know how it is. So
(15:53):
how's it up in Tennessee? I just want to I
need to shake off a little bit. It's been a
rough day here on Clay and Buck based on Wen't
even we haven't even gotten into the awfulness about the
brown killer still being on Clay. Can we take a pause.
We're trying to have a We're trying to let everyone
have a breather.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
It is.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It is a very h it is well super cold,
and I am I think there's a lot of people
out there that are ready for the holiday season to
be here. I was yesterday with in addition to your
awesome party that you and Carrie put on yesterday, Shannon Breem,
friend of the show, who is on Fox News and
(16:31):
there has been on this show a ton over the years.
She and her awesome husband Sheldon, had a Christmas party
in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, and we had an awesome time there.
So there you go a lot of good Christmas party
cheer that is out there for.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Evanth like Trump, but she's one of the very best people.
She really is. Media Shannon Breen the best lovely lady
inside and out.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
She she is fantastic. Sheldon is also great, and so
we had an awesome time hanging out with them, and
I actually talked with her a little bit, because one
does about the fact that probably under the radar, the
amount of big time decisions that are going to come
down from the Supreme Court between now and June is
(17:21):
I think not being talked about enough as it pertains
to presidential power, as it pertains to birthright citizenship, the tariffs,
which I think there is a decent chance the Supreme
Court may say Trump doesn't have the authority to have
implemented in the manner that he did, to say nothing
of all the other challenges that are out there. So
(17:43):
we will continue to be following those as we enter
into twenty twenty six and we come back. Unfortunately, more
bad news out there. We'll talk about the Brown killer
as still on the loose after a shooting at the university.
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
Listen. I mean it was kind of a that was
a disco Christmas music. What were we playing there, guys?
What it was? It was disco Christmas music. This is
perhaps where get off my lawn, Bluck rears his ugly head.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And now you're gonna join me anti Christmas. Good luck
on the on the responses you're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I I don't care what anybody's I hate disco music
if they I think I hate disco music more than
any other kind, any other genre of music. I would
rather have like like weird, like you know what's like
the tribal uh like guttural singing they do, and like
(19:39):
Nordic countries like ah like, I'd rather that anything but
disco music. I would probably say R and B is
my least favorite music's ghost. R and B is awful.
There's like five R and B songs that are actually
popular I'm talking about, like you know, and they tend
to be more pop and they own thugs and harmony.
(20:01):
Nothing for you then, nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But proto dogs and harmony is is the rap mixed
with the R and B. The R and B by
itself is often just atrocious, just atrocious.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Now when they move, not is not the that's not rap,
R and B. That's right, that's harmony. Oh both dungs
and harmony? Really okay? That shows what I know?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, oh, I I think that would be clearly classified
as rap. If I go back in time to nineteen
ninety seven, rip, I think at least one of the
is it busy, But I don't. I'm always I always
hesitate to say who's actually dead? One of the Bone
Thugs and Harmony guys is dead. I don't want to
pronounce the wrong guy dead.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But you know, according to according to AI, they straddle
the line between hip hop and R and B as
part of that's.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, it's only when you
move R and B close to another genre that it
becomes likable. So people out there are like, oh, I
like R and B. Most of you like R and
B when it's crossed with rap or crossed with pop
or crossed with you know, country or whatever you want
to say, whenever it's crossed with something else. Otherwise it's
(21:13):
just like Tony Braxton wailing along.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Stevie Wonder, R and B. You heathen, No, he would
be pop. The that you like again that are Stevie
Wonder would be pop. The true R and B. When
I say R and B, I mean like Tony Braxton.
I hope she's still I think she's dead too, isn't she.
I'm just there's a lot of dead people out there. Apologies.
(21:38):
If Tony Braxton's still alive, it's like the Mariah Carey,
who I know is alive. It's like the Mariah Carey
songs that you like, all the veer towards pop and
the ones where she just is like screaming and singing.
That's awful. So anyway, I'm anti R and B. I mean,
according to Ai, I'm just going this year. By the way,
(21:59):
I have to point out wherever I can if Clay
gets anything wrong between now and when the election happens,
because increasingly it is looking likely that Kamala is going
to run. But awful stories out there, But Kama, we
need to give everybody a break. We need to give
everybody a break from this. This is too much. Ever,
we got the Christimers music going, and today is like
(22:20):
a big bummer of all the terrible things happening in
the world. But top R and B, according to AI,
Stevie Wonder amazing, Aretha Franklin, amazing, Whitney Houston, Marvin Gay
Clay the worst music of all, I said, of all genres,
I mean, I'm throwing like international whatever and there I would.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Rather listen to disco because it's upbeat and not just
again the R and B that pops, the R and
B that people like I will die on this hill.
It actually is not very much R and B. It
actually but what is what is like classic? What is
what is true R and B? Then if all the
R and B artists are not really R and B,
(23:03):
what is a way be Beyonce? When let's use Beyonce
as an example. Beyonce will come out with an album
that has I don't know, fifteen songs. Nine of them
will be actual, you know, ballads where she's just standing there,
you know, just singing, and then the ones that are
actually successful will be the ones where she dances and
(23:25):
there is a pop element associated with it. Right, Like,
you go back and look, if you actually listen to
most of beyonce songs, ninety percent of them are awful.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And then she has ten that.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Are huge crossover appeals because they have strong hip hop elements,
because they have strong pop elements. Traditional R and B
to me is just somebody like mis Houston standing there singing.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think your definition is just like Jello here, like
I try to squeeze in one areas I'm sitting here
I'm looking at like Marvin Gay is an R and
B artist. You don't like Mark Like straight up he's
an R and B artist. You don't like Marvin Gay songs.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I don't even know that many Marvin Gay songs. To
start with, is that Let's get it on? Is that
Marvin Gay? Is that his most famous song?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Problem? Yes, okay, yes, my argument okay, like this is
a good one. They're saying boys to Men, Okay, I'm
talking about people in my life. Boys to Men has
like three good songs. Ever, they are still wildly popular,
but it's like Motown Philly where they have a little
bit of more hip hop flavor. The actual ballads they're awful.
(24:34):
You see this, This is like it's like dealing with
a leftist when you talk to Clay about music. All
of a sudden, no, no, in my lifetime, you're throwing
that in, Buddy, I dropped that Marvin Gay on the table,
and you knew you were in trouble.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
This is where I'm one hundred percent right. Is I'm
also very anti musical, so I will own this. I've
never been to a musical and thought, you know what,
this is better because they.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Sang just act like your actors go act. I don't
need your break into song. Uh, but R and B
is if you just had to listen to the worst
most R and B like that is just somebody standing
there wailing into a mic for twenty consecutive songs, you
would it would be worse than disco. I think so
(25:19):
when Russell Crowe and the guy who plays Wolverine in
les Miz were like sing shouting at each other, you
weren't into that. That didn't do it for you. Do
you even know what I'm talking about? No? I mean
I know that they're like, I will only Jack go,
I will only go to a musical because I believe
(25:39):
that if I go to a musical. I think South
Park actually made a joke about this and one of
them that I presume my wife will sleep with me
after I go to a musical. That is the only
real that I'm sitting there just thinking, well, at least
he's gonna sleep with me after this is over. The
whole musical universe, they're all awful, and they would all
be better if they just talked. I'm just glad, you barbarian,
(26:02):
you cultural barbarian, that I don't have to explain to
you that the Rockets not really a musical, you know
what I mean? The ladies with the nice legs dancing around.
That's that's a that's its own thing.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I will admit that I can be distracted by ladies
with nice legs dancing around such that I don't notice
the awful singing. But every time they start to sing
a song.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I went. I took my kids. I went to go
see uh Hair.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
And I'm not an anti Broadway guy. I went to
go see the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. I
took my kids, really really good. I went to go
because I'm super cultured. I went to go see Denzel
Washington and Jake gillinall in Uh was that Macbeth a fella?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay? Well a Shakespeare play, you know, Shakespeare, Clay, that
guy Shakespeare got some good stuff. Shit.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I went to go see George Clooney in the in
the whatever thing he was doing where he's playing the
CBS Edward R. Murrow no singing, Yeah, good luck, pretty sure,
pretty good to save on that one.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah. I A long time ago, I had a date
who demanded that I take her. I shouldn't say demanded,
but she kind of demanded that we go to Frozen
on Broadway. That was brutal. That was brutal. Didn't last,
That's all I can tell you. Didn't last. She really
wanted to go to Frozen. They made a movie about
I mean, they made a play about Frozen.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
It was on Broadway. Yeah, really, I didn't even know that.
I missed that one. Well, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You make the Buckster sit through some nonsense like that
you are not long for.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
The date Broadway version of Frozen and it's already off.
Didn't Frozen make like eight billion dollars? How did the
play not work?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like? They still have Aladdin the play. I've seen all
of these because I was with my kids the Lion King.
They did all the different play versions on Broadway. But
oh man, that's a weird chick that wanted you as
part of a date to take her to go see Frozen.
I got taken on a date to Headwig and the
Angry Inch, and I never forgot nor forgave that debacle either.
(28:02):
I don't know if you know what that play is about,
but if you do, you'll know what I'm talking about.
Not good Not good guy cuts off his own you
know what Clay True Story, that's the play. And there's
some rock music. Yeah, must be popular with democrats. Kind
(28:23):
of their anthem Democrat men, a lot of Democrat men,
a little bit of a metaphor there. All right, do
we have to get back now? Like no, no, I think
we got to open up the calls. I think you
gotta hate the reset and talk about like serious things.
And at the top of the sayes at the top
of the next hour, people are gonna be angrier at
me about my R and B and musicals. Take the
(28:46):
top five wrong play, Take Top five Clay belly flop
right here on R and B. There's such worst genres
of music than R and I. I mean, I don't
love R and B, but there are some great R
and B out there, Like Aretha Franklin is in credib Okay.
Let s I it's not real R and B. They're
pushing it into pop. Everything you like that's actually R
(29:07):
and B is just pop that they have disguised as
the R and B. Go pull an album up and
just listen to somebody wailing. That is real R and B,
and it's awful. I mean, I feel like Attila the
Hunt is explaining the Sistine Chapel to me right now,
like this is just not this is just not working
for me. I was just its Assistine Chapel. I appreciate
(29:29):
great art. Yeah, the Sistine Chapel is very nice, very nice.
See ever since Clay got doused with holiness, you know,
now he's just an expert on all these things. You know,
he's ever since his high five with the Pope and
get to hang with the Pope. You just see the world.
But the Pope agrees with me on bad r and
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Speaker 5 (30:31):
Two guys walk up to a mic Hey, anything goes
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Speaker 2 (30:43):
Welcome back in here to play and Buck Uh, let's
go right into this, the big controversy of the day,
Play's take on music. We knew this was going to happen.
My I thought I'd upset some disco lovers out there,
but no, Clay decided, I'm just he said, hold my beer,
or maybe hold my rose. I'm going to do something
(31:06):
even more inflammatory by throwing all of R and B
under the bus. This is Diana from Houston. Isn't Diana Ross?
By the way, gonna say? Is this Diana Ross who's
called amazing? If if Aretha the Queen Franklin herself were
to send us a talkback right now, maybe maybe a
little singing CCE, Diana from Houston, hit it fuck, please
(31:28):
take the shovel away from Clay.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
He's digging a deeper hole.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The more he talks, the deeper it gets you UNDERSTI
go ahead, I was gonna say, I think most people
agree with me. I think, uh, I think most people
out there are, like, you know what, Clay's right. Because
R and B is awful standing alone, they have to
cross it with actual good genres in order to make
it popular. I just want to tell you, shovel ready,
(31:52):
Clay is the best clay. The clay that has that
shovel and keeps digging is like the most entertaining because once,
once you goat him into it on, don't you give
him the off ramp from his craziness, no interest, He's
going He's going to dig a hole the China. Which
now that you're right, you don't bail. And I'm right
on this. The traditional R and B is a wasted
(32:17):
genre that has to cross pollin eate with actual genres
that people want to listen. Here we go someone in
North Dakota. Big surprise, Brian wants to take Clay's side
in the R and B debate. Go ahead, put him on.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yeah, well, no problem with that. You know the original
R and B. When you get back to the Temptations
and Aretha Franklin and the folks you're talking about there,
but absolutely correct. But what we moved into is just
nothing but pop and money and a screen fest. Whitney
Houston started it all. And quite honestly, if I want
to get yelled at, I'm moved back in with one
(32:53):
of my ex wives.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Wait a second, Wait a second, you're throwing Whitney Houston
is amazing, amazing voice buck. But her voice is so
good that she got lazy, and they just said, hey,
you're gonna read the phone book for eight of your
eight of your These are the worst music cakes I've
ever heard. I've just we're gonna cross pollinate it with
(33:15):
pop and will actually have like three songs that people
like that Whitney Houston does and they don't even realize
how awful most of Whitney Houston's music is. Clay next thing,
you know, you're gonna throw Mannheimstein, roll on under the bus.
It's just crazy. I will say the Beyonce uh like
like love Affair is well, hold on, I might be
(33:36):
contradicting myself for a second. Here is Adele That would
be a shock. As you're running in circles here on
that that's not R and B. This is R and B.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I will I will pull one exception out. I think
Adele is one hundred percent R and B. Would it
be fair to say, although she crosses over with pop two,
who is the most prominent current R and B artist Beyonce?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Oh, I don't know. I don't listen to really anything
new anymore. I listened to like a little bit of
you know, indie rock and that. That's about. That's about it.
By the way, we're getting thrown under the bus here.
We're gonna get back into the whole third hour. We're
gonna get into the depressing news and analysis therein and
the fight for Western civilization. So because we're getting some
calls about that too, Okay, we'll get back to it.
It's almost Christmas. We only talk about so much massacres,
(34:21):
mayhem and terrorism and all these horrible things without you know,
we got to take a breather too, all right, Billy
from New York wants to throw us under the bus.
This is talkback, bb Man. I had to get off
of my ladder just to just to tell you, guys,
I can't believe at either of you two none of
you seen The Warriors. Man, you guys what, I can't
(34:42):
believe it. This is true. First of all, Billy from
New York is definitely from New York. I love it.
I had to get off my ladder, Billy, we love you.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
This was I think age related because this is one
where it came out in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I think if you looked it up, Clay, you were
just graduating college, you clearly should have seen this. I
was born in seventy nine. Buck was born in what
eighty two eighty one, and so this is like.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
One of those little windows where the movie came out,
like when we were so young that we never went
back to see it. I've never seen that movie, and
I know people were fired up about that.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I think that was Friday. We had a talk back
and we had to confess to that. We have a
gen Z podcast listener. Ryan from Iowa wants to weigh
on the gen Z phenomenon in politics these days. AA
hit it.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Ay, Clay and Buckets.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Ryan from Iowa.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I'm a gen Z. I just wanted to point out
that in nineteen eighty apparently it was eight hundred and
fifty dollars an ounce to get gold versus nowadays four thousand,
three hundred and thirty dollars. And in the eighties it
would be two hundred and seventy four hours at minimum
wage versus nowadays at five ninety seven hours. And that's
(35:55):
why so many in my generation are falling to the
trap of socialism. The economy is just not what it was.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Well, the inflation, the inflation problem is very real and
for wage earners and people trying to build assets play like,
for example, by their first home, inflation is a big challenge.
I also think the homes have expanded monstrously since nineteen eighty.
So what we consider to be a starter home.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Let me just point out in twenty twenty five starter
homes would have in many cases been considered the largest
homes anywhere in a neighborhood back in the seventies or
sixties or fifties. If you see some of the size
of those homes historically. So I think it's also an
expectation of how much bigger a home needs to be.
(36:42):
We come back awful stories, We'll go back into them.
This is Clay and Buck
I'll come back in our number two Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. We have been talking about the awful Hanika
Bondai Beach terror attack. Fifteen Jewish people slaughtered. Reports that
the two shooters told some of the fleeing individuals that
(00:22):
to just kind of get out of the way because
they wanted to make sure they could target Jews. Just fyi,
this is what globalized. The Intifada actually means, you stupid
moron college kids. This is a direct result of the
arguments you have made at trying to equivocate in some
(00:44):
way the response of Israel to the attacks of October seventh,
with the depredations that were delivered on that day October
seven to twenty twenty three, the fallout continue and we
had seen a massive increase in anti Semitic acts and
(01:06):
attacks in Sydney and in and in Melbourne. I believe Buck,
that there are more Holocaust survivors outside of outside obviously
of Israel and the United States, in Israel, in Australia,
that is, there is a huge population of Jewish people
(01:30):
in Australia. And this targeted act of violence by a
fifty year old father and his twenty four year old son.
That was the two shooters. The father is eventually shot
and killed, son is in custody and they were able
legally to I believe between the two of them, Buck
(01:54):
possess six different guns. So everybody out there who has said, hey, Australia,
you have solved all of its mass shooting problems. They've
banned guns, Buck gave us data in the first hour
that there's actually more guns in Australia since they banned
the guns back in nineteen ninety six. And again, I
(02:14):
think the cowardice of the Australian police is going to
become a bigger and bigger part of this story as
we go forward. Major public venue in daylight. The equivalent
basically of someone opening fire at a place like, as
you said, Buck, South Beach down in the Miami area
(02:37):
or out in out in California. For those of you
in LA or have spent time in LA. This is
like somebody opening fire at Santa Monica Beach and this
guy was able to shoot for these guys were able
to shoot for ten plus minutes. So a lot of
you weighing in on that. Okay, let's also update two
other stories, and unfortunately they are also awful in Rhode Island.
(03:05):
The Brown Killer, that is, the person who walked into
a Brown University classroom and killed two people and wounded nine,
several of them severely, is completely on the loose. There
is a video out there of him appearing to leave campus.
(03:26):
They took the wrong person into custody, and it doesn't
seem buck that they have any real leads at all.
The shooter wore all dark clothing. They were in the
middle of doing an exam study session and just walked
in and opened fire. And so we do not know
where at all this guy is. And I say guy
(03:48):
because it appears to be a man walking in all
black clothing in the videos that I have seen. So
that is out there. The shooting in Providence, Rhode Island
at Brown University. This story also came out late last night.
Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle were murdered, according to authorities,
in Los Angeles, by their son, Nick Reiner, stabbed to
(04:12):
death and Rob Reiner, whatever you think about his modern
po wrote throat slit was what I read.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Which is a particularly brutal then vicious way to go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So both of them found dead. Seventy eight year old
Rob Reiner sixty eight year old Michelle will come maybe
back to his politics in a sec here, But Buck,
you actually interviewed off air, I think you said Rob
Reiner at one point in time, and I'm going to
go through his film catalog, which in the late eighties
and the early nineties he hit on a string of
(04:49):
incredibly successful films, and this was before we all knew
his you know, left wing, frankly politics. But what did
you Rob Reiner to be like when you interviewed him
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think there's not going to be any surprise about
the fact that he had incredibly left wing politics. So
and thought that Trump was a hit Larryan figure. But
I also sit here and just say I don't really.
(05:26):
I think that the story here is much more so.
How is it that someone could have a family member
whose mental health is so out of control like this
over a period of time, that they would kill their
own parents like this? Yeah, because it was known that
he had met This wasn't like he snapped or something.
(05:47):
That it was known that he had mental health struggles
for a long time. If anything, you know, there's not
always a policy answer or policy solution. It's not always
something that you could make go away, or that could
have been solved or could have been different. So we'll
get more details about this clay, about the Rob Reiner
and wife double murder, which is what this is. But
(06:09):
it seems they've already taken the sun into custody. It
seems very likely that that is exactly what happened here.
That is the allegation certainly that is out there. And
I just think that if we're going to find something
that could be different other than looking to find ways
to push our society closer to God and the wholesomeness
(06:31):
of meaning that comes together from that sort of spiritual enlightenment,
but put that aside just for a moment. Maybe it's
just way too hard to commit people. I think that
this is something and I've seen this time and again
where there's some story and something completely terrible happens and
(06:51):
we have made it. And this stretches back for a
long time, so that even family members have a very
difficult time getting somebody committed to a psyche theatric facility
unless they want to be committed to a psychiatric facility.
Now you can imagine that people who are dangerously crazy,
they generally don't want to be committed to a psychiatric facility.
(07:13):
That's part of the war being dangerously crazy fin time. Unfortunately,
buck take their medicine right. One of the challenges of
crazy people is they start to get a little bit
better when they're on their meds, and then they start
to think, well, I don't actually need this anymore. By
the way, the movies on a positive side in the eighties,
(07:34):
this is spinal Tap, stand by me, The Princess Bride,
when Harry met Sally, Misery, a few good Men. All
of those in an eight year period was an incredible
string of successes for Rob Reiner as either director and
or producer. He was the director of all those movies,
(07:55):
also the producer of many of them as he started
to have success. So to all of those who continue
and to have the ability to string together. Now again
the Sun. We presume four million dollar bail out there.
I'm surprised that there would be any bail at all
for something of this magnitude that you would do.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But just a heinous thing. Now, I don't know why
Trump felt compelled. I will let me take a step back.
I will say, by and large, this is the difference
between the right and the left. I've seen almost and
correct me if I'm wrong. On this Buck team, you
can correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen zero public
celebration of Rob Reiner's death by anybody on the right.
(08:43):
I just haven't seen it. Right, he was a committed
left wing anti Trump person. I have not seen a
single thing out there by and large that is associated
with tap dancing or anything remotely akin to what happened
when Charlie Kirk died. And and so I say that
(09:04):
in a positive way. Trump, as Trump often did, stepped
in it. I thought, with his with his post about
Rob Reiner, I mean you and I I think have
the general perspective on this that remains consistent. When somebody dies,
generally speaking, you should, especially in a violent manner like this,
(09:25):
you should just condemn the violence and uh and move on.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And also there's also look, there's something particularly horrible clay
about a father and a mother being killed by their
own son. This should be a tragic story if it
was a home invasion or something like that, you know,
home invasion gone wrong turned into a double homicide. They
had the throat slip by their own son, alleged. I
know it's alleged right now, but you know, Okay, the
(09:50):
guy's in custody. I'm sure that there's a lot of
evidence that's going to be coming out here shortly. He
had a long struggle with schizophrenia and mental health. Yeah, sorry,
schizophreny and addiction. I meant to say schizophrenay, obviously is
mental health issue. So there's sort of a ticking time
bomb scenario. Look, a huge supporter of President trump'son so
(10:11):
many things. Nobody's perfect. I don't This was not the
right response, So you know, it's a miss Sometimes there
are misses. But I think that you can we can
all give a little grace to someone to their memory
after they have been allegedly murdered by their own son
with a butcher knife in their home with their wife
(10:33):
as well. It's a pretty horrific really, about as horrific
a story as you're going to come across these days.
I'll also mention that Rob Reiner actually went on Piers
Morgan uncensored and was not one of the crazy left
wingers who celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. This was
(10:53):
from late September September twenty sixth, twenty twenty five. This
was with peers More and this is what Rob Reiner
had to say about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Cut four. You
first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was
your immediate gut reaction to it?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, horror, absolute horror, and I unfortunately saw the video
of it, and it's beyond belief what happened to him,
and that should never happened to anybody.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable.
That's not a solution to solving problems. And I felt
like what his wife said at the service, that the
memorial they had was exactly right and totally I believe.
You know, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings
(11:52):
of Jesus, and I believe in doing to others, and
I believe in forgiveness. And what she said to me
was was beautiful and absolutely you know when she she
forgave his his assassin, and I think that that is admirable.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Very well said, yeah, that's ay for somebody who comes
from the other side of the political aisle. Yeah, that's
what you should do, which is just have a humane
or a basic human response to something like what happened
to Charlie Kirk. And that was why when I did
my scrolling through Blue Sky that night, which again I
think was necessary, but it was also haunting because you see,
(12:33):
so many people have been willing to completely abandon that
basic humanity in favor of left wing ideology of a
range on a whole range of things, so that that
part is distressing. But yeah, look, Rob Reiner Clay, I
don't think we have much more. I actually had more
to I want to get back to the Brown shooting
because I think that brings up some issues on the
(12:55):
policy side, other than being able to involuntarily commit somebody,
including somebody, most notably somebody in your own family because
you know them better than anybody, and you know this
is just a this is just a tragedy. I didn't
know what else to say about it other than it's
it's horrible and nobody should ever have to I mean,
think about what this does to the broader family as well.
A double murder and your own son did it. This
(13:18):
is this is like biblical in its awfulness. I mean,
killed by your own child. Pretty shocking. Again, alleged, not
proven yet, we'll get to it. Safety in your own
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Speaker 1 (14:40):
Love and maybe even a little snow. Merry Christmas and
happy Honika from all of us at the Clay and
Buck Show.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. I know
it is the Christmas season and we're talking to some
heavy stuff today, So I'm just gonna take a moment,
Clay to to just bring us into the Christmas season,
to the Honka season, to the new year coming up here,
to my birthday, which is not technically a national holiday yet,
but perhaps perhaps in time as the Clay and Buck
(15:10):
Show continues to dominate, that will change. But I think
that well, one thing, it was really nice to have
you down here at South Florida. We have some good times. Well,
the Sex and Christmas Party I think was a big hit.
We had live with live music there jazz because nothing
is classier than random jazz, and we enjoyed it. And
(15:32):
I think the Michael Scott line is actually nothing is
classier than boring jazz, but I like to change that
up a little bit, so we had some fun with that.
And then we also had Dave. Dave Reuben had a
little holiday party. We checked that out. I went shooting
for the whole day on Saturday with my friend Schim
Michael Singleton. But you know, down here in Florida, we
do Christmas. We get it going. We've got palm trees
with lights on them, you know how it is. So
(15:53):
how's it up in Tennessee? I just want to I
need to shake off a little bit. It's been a
rough day here on Clay and Buck based on Wen't
even we haven't even gotten into the awfulness about the
brown killer still being on Clay. Can we take a pause.
We're trying to have a We're trying to let everyone
have a breather.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
It is.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It is a very h it is well super cold,
and I am I think there's a lot of people
out there that are ready for the holiday season to
be here. I was yesterday with in addition to your
awesome party that you and Carrie put on yesterday, Shannon Breem,
friend of the show, who is on Fox News and
(16:31):
there has been on this show a ton over the years.
She and her awesome husband Sheldon, had a Christmas party
in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, and we had an awesome time there.
So there you go a lot of good Christmas party
cheer that is out there for.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Evanth like Trump, but she's one of the very best people.
She really is. Media Shannon Breen the best lovely lady
inside and out.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
She she is fantastic. Sheldon is also great, and so
we had an awesome time hanging out with them, and
I actually talked with her a little bit, because one
does about the fact that probably under the radar, the
amount of big time decisions that are going to come
down from the Supreme Court between now and June is
(17:21):
I think not being talked about enough as it pertains
to presidential power, as it pertains to birthright citizenship, the tariffs,
which I think there is a decent chance the Supreme
Court may say Trump doesn't have the authority to have
implemented in the manner that he did, to say nothing
of all the other challenges that are out there. So
(17:43):
we will continue to be following those as we enter
into twenty twenty six and we come back. Unfortunately, more
bad news out there. We'll talk about the Brown killer
as still on the loose after a shooting at the university.
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
Listen. I mean it was kind of a that was
a disco Christmas music. What were we playing there, guys?
What it was? It was disco Christmas music. This is
perhaps where get off my lawn, Bluck rears his ugly head.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And now you're gonna join me anti Christmas. Good luck
on the on the responses you're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I I don't care what anybody's I hate disco music
if they I think I hate disco music more than
any other kind, any other genre of music. I would
rather have like like weird, like you know what's like
the tribal uh like guttural singing they do, and like
(19:39):
Nordic countries like ah like, I'd rather that anything but
disco music. I would probably say R and B is
my least favorite music's ghost. R and B is awful.
There's like five R and B songs that are actually
popular I'm talking about, like you know, and they tend
to be more pop and they own thugs and harmony.
(20:01):
Nothing for you then, nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But proto dogs and harmony is is the rap mixed
with the R and B. The R and B by
itself is often just atrocious, just atrocious.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Now when they move, not is not the that's not rap,
R and B. That's right, that's harmony. Oh both dungs
and harmony? Really okay? That shows what I know?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, oh, I I think that would be clearly classified
as rap. If I go back in time to nineteen
ninety seven, rip, I think at least one of the
is it busy, But I don't. I'm always I always
hesitate to say who's actually dead? One of the Bone
Thugs and Harmony guys is dead. I don't want to
pronounce the wrong guy dead.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But you know, according to according to AI, they straddle
the line between hip hop and R and B as
part of that's.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, it's only when you
move R and B close to another genre that it
becomes likable. So people out there are like, oh, I
like R and B. Most of you like R and
B when it's crossed with rap or crossed with pop
or crossed with you know, country or whatever you want
to say, whenever it's crossed with something else. Otherwise it's
(21:13):
just like Tony Braxton wailing along.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Stevie Wonder, R and B. You heathen, No, he would
be pop. The that you like again that are Stevie
Wonder would be pop. The true R and B. When
I say R and B, I mean like Tony Braxton.
I hope she's still I think she's dead too, isn't she.
I'm just there's a lot of dead people out there. Apologies.
(21:38):
If Tony Braxton's still alive, it's like the Mariah Carey,
who I know is alive. It's like the Mariah Carey
songs that you like, all the veer towards pop and
the ones where she just is like screaming and singing.
That's awful. So anyway, I'm anti R and B. I mean,
according to Ai, I'm just going this year. By the way,
(21:59):
I have to point out wherever I can if Clay
gets anything wrong between now and when the election happens,
because increasingly it is looking likely that Kamala is going
to run. But awful stories out there, But Kama, we
need to give everybody a break. We need to give
everybody a break from this. This is too much. Ever,
we got the Christimers music going, and today is like
(22:20):
a big bummer of all the terrible things happening in
the world. But top R and B, according to AI,
Stevie Wonder amazing, Aretha Franklin, amazing, Whitney Houston, Marvin Gay
Clay the worst music of all, I said, of all genres,
I mean, I'm throwing like international whatever and there I would.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Rather listen to disco because it's upbeat and not just
again the R and B that pops, the R and
B that people like I will die on this hill.
It actually is not very much R and B. It
actually but what is what is like classic? What is
what is true R and B? Then if all the
R and B artists are not really R and B,
(23:03):
what is a way be Beyonce? When let's use Beyonce
as an example. Beyonce will come out with an album
that has I don't know, fifteen songs. Nine of them
will be actual, you know, ballads where she's just standing there,
you know, just singing, and then the ones that are
actually successful will be the ones where she dances and
(23:25):
there is a pop element associated with it. Right, Like,
you go back and look, if you actually listen to
most of beyonce songs, ninety percent of them are awful.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And then she has ten that.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Are huge crossover appeals because they have strong hip hop elements,
because they have strong pop elements. Traditional R and B
to me is just somebody like mis Houston standing there singing.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think your definition is just like Jello here, like
I try to squeeze in one areas I'm sitting here
I'm looking at like Marvin Gay is an R and
B artist. You don't like Mark Like straight up he's
an R and B artist. You don't like Marvin Gay songs.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I don't even know that many Marvin Gay songs. To
start with, is that Let's get it on? Is that
Marvin Gay? Is that his most famous song?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Problem? Yes, okay, yes, my argument okay, like this is
a good one. They're saying boys to Men, Okay, I'm
talking about people in my life. Boys to Men has
like three good songs. Ever, they are still wildly popular,
but it's like Motown Philly where they have a little
bit of more hip hop flavor. The actual ballads they're awful.
(24:34):
You see this, This is like it's like dealing with
a leftist when you talk to Clay about music. All
of a sudden, no, no, in my lifetime, you're throwing
that in, Buddy, I dropped that Marvin Gay on the table,
and you knew you were in trouble.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
This is where I'm one hundred percent right. Is I'm
also very anti musical, so I will own this. I've
never been to a musical and thought, you know what,
this is better because they.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Sang just act like your actors go act. I don't
need your break into song. Uh, but R and B
is if you just had to listen to the worst
most R and B like that is just somebody standing
there wailing into a mic for twenty consecutive songs, you
would it would be worse than disco. I think so
(25:19):
when Russell Crowe and the guy who plays Wolverine in
les Miz were like sing shouting at each other, you
weren't into that. That didn't do it for you. Do
you even know what I'm talking about? No? I mean
I know that they're like, I will only Jack go,
I will only go to a musical because I believe
(25:39):
that if I go to a musical. I think South
Park actually made a joke about this and one of
them that I presume my wife will sleep with me
after I go to a musical. That is the only
real that I'm sitting there just thinking, well, at least
he's gonna sleep with me after this is over. The
whole musical universe, they're all awful, and they would all
be better if they just talked. I'm just glad, you barbarian,
(26:02):
you cultural barbarian, that I don't have to explain to
you that the Rockets not really a musical, you know
what I mean? The ladies with the nice legs dancing around.
That's that's a that's its own thing.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I will admit that I can be distracted by ladies
with nice legs dancing around such that I don't notice
the awful singing. But every time they start to sing
a song.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I went. I took my kids. I went to go
see uh Hair.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
And I'm not an anti Broadway guy. I went to
go see the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. I
took my kids, really really good. I went to go
because I'm super cultured. I went to go see Denzel
Washington and Jake gillinall in Uh was that Macbeth a fella?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay? Well a Shakespeare play, you know, Shakespeare, Clay, that
guy Shakespeare got some good stuff. Shit.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I went to go see George Clooney in the in
the whatever thing he was doing where he's playing the
CBS Edward R. Murrow no singing, Yeah, good luck, pretty sure,
pretty good to save on that one.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah. I A long time ago, I had a date
who demanded that I take her. I shouldn't say demanded,
but she kind of demanded that we go to Frozen
on Broadway. That was brutal. That was brutal. Didn't last,
That's all I can tell you. Didn't last. She really
wanted to go to Frozen. They made a movie about
I mean, they made a play about Frozen.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
It was on Broadway. Yeah, really, I didn't even know that.
I missed that one. Well, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You make the Buckster sit through some nonsense like that
you are not long for.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
The date Broadway version of Frozen and it's already off.
Didn't Frozen make like eight billion dollars? How did the
play not work?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like? They still have Aladdin the play. I've seen all
of these because I was with my kids the Lion King.
They did all the different play versions on Broadway. But
oh man, that's a weird chick that wanted you as
part of a date to take her to go see Frozen.
I got taken on a date to Headwig and the
Angry Inch, and I never forgot nor forgave that debacle either.
(28:02):
I don't know if you know what that play is about,
but if you do, you'll know what I'm talking about.
Not good Not good guy cuts off his own you
know what Clay True Story, that's the play. And there's
some rock music. Yeah, must be popular with democrats. Kind
(28:23):
of their anthem Democrat men, a lot of Democrat men,
a little bit of a metaphor there. All right, do
we have to get back now? Like no, no, I think
we got to open up the calls. I think you
gotta hate the reset and talk about like serious things.
And at the top of the sayes at the top
of the next hour, people are gonna be angrier at
me about my R and B and musicals. Take the
(28:46):
top five wrong play, Take Top five Clay belly flop
right here on R and B. There's such worst genres
of music than R and I. I mean, I don't
love R and B, but there are some great R
and B out there, Like Aretha Franklin is in credib Okay.
Let s I it's not real R and B. They're
pushing it into pop. Everything you like that's actually R
(29:07):
and B is just pop that they have disguised as
the R and B. Go pull an album up and
just listen to somebody wailing. That is real R and B,
and it's awful. I mean, I feel like Attila the
Hunt is explaining the Sistine Chapel to me right now,
like this is just not this is just not working
for me. I was just its Assistine Chapel. I appreciate
(29:29):
great art. Yeah, the Sistine Chapel is very nice, very nice.
See ever since Clay got doused with holiness, you know,
now he's just an expert on all these things. You know,
he's ever since his high five with the Pope and
get to hang with the Pope. You just see the world.
But the Pope agrees with me on bad r and
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Speaker 2 (30:43):
Welcome back in here to play and Buck Uh, let's
go right into this, the big controversy of the day,
Play's take on music. We knew this was going to happen.
My I thought I'd upset some disco lovers out there,
but no, Clay decided, I'm just he said, hold my beer,
or maybe hold my rose. I'm going to do something
(31:06):
even more inflammatory by throwing all of R and B
under the bus. This is Diana from Houston. Isn't Diana Ross?
By the way, gonna say? Is this Diana Ross who's
called amazing? If if Aretha the Queen Franklin herself were
to send us a talkback right now, maybe maybe a
little singing CCE, Diana from Houston, hit it fuck, please
(31:28):
take the shovel away from Clay.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
He's digging a deeper hole.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The more he talks, the deeper it gets you UNDERSTI
go ahead, I was gonna say, I think most people
agree with me. I think, uh, I think most people
out there are, like, you know what, Clay's right. Because
R and B is awful standing alone, they have to
cross it with actual good genres in order to make
it popular. I just want to tell you, shovel ready,
(31:52):
Clay is the best clay. The clay that has that
shovel and keeps digging is like the most entertaining because once,
once you goat him into it on, don't you give
him the off ramp from his craziness, no interest, He's
going He's going to dig a hole the China. Which
now that you're right, you don't bail. And I'm right
on this. The traditional R and B is a wasted
(32:17):
genre that has to cross pollin eate with actual genres
that people want to listen. Here we go someone in
North Dakota. Big surprise, Brian wants to take Clay's side
in the R and B debate. Go ahead, put him on.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yeah, well, no problem with that. You know the original
R and B. When you get back to the Temptations
and Aretha Franklin and the folks you're talking about there,
but absolutely correct. But what we moved into is just
nothing but pop and money and a screen fest. Whitney
Houston started it all. And quite honestly, if I want
to get yelled at, I'm moved back in with one
(32:53):
of my ex wives.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Wait a second, Wait a second, you're throwing Whitney Houston
is amazing, amazing voice buck. But her voice is so
good that she got lazy, and they just said, hey,
you're gonna read the phone book for eight of your
eight of your These are the worst music cakes I've
ever heard. I've just we're gonna cross pollinate it with
(33:15):
pop and will actually have like three songs that people
like that Whitney Houston does and they don't even realize
how awful most of Whitney Houston's music is. Clay next thing,
you know, you're gonna throw Mannheimstein, roll on under the bus.
It's just crazy. I will say the Beyonce uh like
like love Affair is well, hold on, I might be
(33:36):
contradicting myself for a second. Here is Adele That would
be a shock. As you're running in circles here on
that that's not R and B. This is R and B.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I will I will pull one exception out. I think
Adele is one hundred percent R and B. Would it
be fair to say, although she crosses over with pop two,
who is the most prominent current R and B artist Beyonce?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Oh, I don't know. I don't listen to really anything
new anymore. I listened to like a little bit of
you know, indie rock and that. That's about. That's about it.
By the way, we're getting thrown under the bus here.
We're gonna get back into the whole third hour. We're
gonna get into the depressing news and analysis therein and
the fight for Western civilization. So because we're getting some
calls about that too, Okay, we'll get back to it.
It's almost Christmas. We only talk about so much massacres,
(34:21):
mayhem and terrorism and all these horrible things without you know,
we got to take a breather too, all right, Billy
from New York wants to throw us under the bus.
This is talkback, bb Man. I had to get off
of my ladder just to just to tell you, guys,
I can't believe at either of you two none of
you seen The Warriors. Man, you guys what, I can't
(34:42):
believe it. This is true. First of all, Billy from
New York is definitely from New York. I love it.
I had to get off my ladder, Billy, we love you.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
This was I think age related because this is one
where it came out in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I think if you looked it up, Clay, you were
just graduating college, you clearly should have seen this. I
was born in seventy nine. Buck was born in what
eighty two eighty one, and so this is like.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
One of those little windows where the movie came out,
like when we were so young that we never went
back to see it. I've never seen that movie, and
I know people were fired up about that.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I think that was Friday. We had a talk back
and we had to confess to that. We have a
gen Z podcast listener. Ryan from Iowa wants to weigh
on the gen Z phenomenon in politics these days. AA
hit it.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Ay, Clay and Buckets.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Ryan from Iowa.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I'm a gen Z. I just wanted to point out
that in nineteen eighty apparently it was eight hundred and
fifty dollars an ounce to get gold versus nowadays four thousand,
three hundred and thirty dollars. And in the eighties it
would be two hundred and seventy four hours at minimum
wage versus nowadays at five ninety seven hours. And that's
(35:55):
why so many in my generation are falling to the
trap of socialism. The economy is just not what it was.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Well, the inflation, the inflation problem is very real and
for wage earners and people trying to build assets play like,
for example, by their first home, inflation is a big challenge.
I also think the homes have expanded monstrously since nineteen eighty.
So what we consider to be a starter home.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Let me just point out in twenty twenty five starter
homes would have in many cases been considered the largest
homes anywhere in a neighborhood back in the seventies or
sixties or fifties. If you see some of the size
of those homes historically. So I think it's also an
expectation of how much bigger a home needs to be.
(36:42):
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