July 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the cultural and political battlegrounds shaping America today. The hour opens with a passionate discussion on the backlash against “cultural Marxism” and the perceived rewriting of American history, with both hosts expressing frustration over progressive movements that, in their view, have gone too far.
A major focus of this hour is President Donald Trump’s call to restore the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians team names, sparking a broader debate on the erasure of tradition and heritage in sports. Clay shares polling data showing overwhelming support among his audience for reverting to the Redskins name, while Buck explores the political and financial implications of such a move, especially in the context of federal support for a new stadium.
The hosts also examine the broader trend of sports team and college mascot name changes, citing examples like Dartmouth, St. John’s, UMass, and George Washington University. They argue that these changes reflect a relentless push from the political left, which they believe is never satisfied and continues to demand more cultural concessions.
The conversation expands to societal shifts from 2014 to 2022, including the rise and fall of the BLM movement, COVID-19 policies, and controversies surrounding transgender athletes like Leah Thomas. Clay and Buck argue that these years are now being reassessed and rejected by a growing number of Americans, framing the current moment as a “counter-revolution” led by Trump.
They highlight the positive impact of police body cameras in countering anti-police narratives and reducing viral misinformation, crediting this as one of the few constructive outcomes of recent cultural upheavals.
In a powerful segment, the hosts delve into the Obama-era intelligence community’s role in the Russia collusion narrative, with Tulsi Gabbard calling for accountability. They discuss the legal and political challenges of prosecuting former officials like James Comey, expressing skepticism that justice will be served due to expired statutes of limitations and institutional protections.
The hour also includes commentary on media bias, with criticism of outlets like The New York Times and The Washington Post for allegedly laundering false narratives and receiving Pulitzer Prizes for discredited reporting. The hosts argue this has eroded public trust in journalism.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come back in everybody second hour of Clay and Buck
picks off right now and we said we're going to
dive into a Clay. I kind of wants you because
I voted for this. Yeah, sure, I voted for this.
I did. I wanted somebody who was going to come
in and say this cultural Marxism, this Maoist cultural revolution
(00:26):
that was really put in motion by the eight years
of Obama, but continued during the presidency of Joe Biden.
This turning our back on our history, rewriting history, feeling
(00:46):
like we should all be or at least some of
us should be sorry for American history. All this No
enough is enough, and I think that we reached our
fill of that nonsense a long time ago. But here
is a moment in time where I actually wasn't even
expecting Trump to do this. I didn't know this is
going to happen. He has said that it is time
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for the Washington Commanders to go back to the Redskins.
He had a post on truth Social he said the
Washington Whatevers should immediately change their name back to the
Washington Redskins football team. There's a big clamoring for this. Likewise,
the Cleveland Indians, one of the six original baseball teams
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with a storied past are great. Indian people in massive
numbers want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is
systematically being taken away from them. Times are different now
than they were three or four years ago. We are
a country of passion and common sense. All Caps owners
get it done. Mister Clay, is this going to get done?
(01:49):
What do you make of this? What do you think
of this? Is it possible? And what do the fans want?
Take me through it?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So I put up a poll, and I'm not saying
that my audience is one hundred percent representative of the
average sports fan. But my poll showed ninety seven percent
of my audience wanted the name to go back to
Washington Redskins. And I asked the question, and I think
it's a good one. Is there anybody out there that,
(02:20):
even if they are super left leaning, where it would
be ninety seven to three the other way right? So
let's presume Keith Olberman put up this poll for his audience.
I don't think ninety seven percent of his audience, even
though they are super left winging, crazy insane people, would
vote Hey, keep the Washington commander's name, and I don't
(02:44):
know that the team and New York correct me if
I'm wrong, has not commented on this yet. The Cleveland
Indians did and they said we love the Guardians, And
everybody listening in Cleveland right now is saying, no, we don't.
This is a stupid name. We would much prefer that
the Cleveland Indian name came back. But I would say
(03:07):
that what is interesting to me about this is twofold one.
Trump is putting it on his shoulders and actually giving
the team a little bit of a pass because he's saying, hey,
if you want a brand new stadium on federal land
in Washington, d C. And you want the federal government
and the District of Columbia government to help you and
(03:30):
provide hundreds of millions of dollars in financing, then one
of the conditions associated with this is I think you
should be the Redskins.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Again. I don't dislike that.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
This is not somebody deciding to come into a private
business and dictate how they do business. He's saying, hey,
if you want the federal government's help to build a
great new stadium in Washington, D C. Then there are
all sorts of conditions that the government, as a partner
in this negotiation, would demand. Returning the name of Redskins.
(04:03):
I think is a significant ask, but also a reasonable
one point two. This is I think symbolically important because
I hit it at this when we went to break.
I like to think of myself as a reasonable person. Now,
some of you out there might say you are crazy,
You're not really okay, but I think in general I
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have my pulse on the average sports fan in America.
I think I could sit down with them, no matter
where they're from, and we could have a good conversation,
no matter what their background. Buck points out, and I
do think it's true that if you are a college
football fan, I feel like I could find common ground
with you.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Claylond is not really a big hug guy, but if
you like college football, just give him a hug when
you see him. He's fine with it. As long as
you say you love a college football team, preferably SEC.
Maybe shake his hand if you're not an SEC fan,
but if you love college football, you can definitely shake
and just give him a hug. If you like the SEC,
he's fine with it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think we speak a common language and and for
a long time I was of the opinion, hey, I'm
so tired of the mascot argument, and I think this
is the average guy and gal out there that I
was reasonable and I said, Okay, we'll give up redskins,
we'll give up Indians, we won't fight that hard over this,
(05:20):
and then we'll just put it to rest forever. And
it never does because leftists aren't satisfied.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They never sit back and say, hey, you know what,
we're happy. And I would say this, think about gay marriage.
Whatever you think about gay marriage. I thought, when gay
marriage happened, okay, we've reached the logical extension of the
left in America. There is nowhere else they can go. Instead,
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they weren't happy with that. They decided that men had
to win women's championships because men are actually women. And
they decided that, Hey, also, let's argue that if you
don't accept someone else's change gender, you're a bigot. And
buck is right here. I think if they could continue
(06:11):
the advance, it would move on to hey, it's unacceptable
if you're a man and you don't want to sleep
with a man pretending to be a woman, because they're
real women.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Too.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Chicks with are just normal chicks. And that was a bleep.
I didn't say it, but that's kind of where we're headed.
And so my point on this is the crazy just
gets accelerated and there isn't a reasonable Hey, okay, once
and for all, we've negotiated this like business people would,
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and you say we're gonna put this behind us. Now
this is a negotiation. They keep asking for more, and
so I think instead of giving them more, culturally, you
have to take back what you already gave them, and
you have to draw the line and say we're not
playing this game anymore. A lot of colleges have changed,
particularly if they had anything that is Indian or Native
(07:07):
American related. A lot of college have changed their mascot.
Dartmouth that's one of the worst examples of this, I
think just because they went from uh, they they went
from their Indian mascot to the big Green.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
What is that? That's not that's I don't even know
what what is the big green? It makes no sense. Yeah,
you're the color. I mean, it's it's also it makes
no sense at all. I'm trying to see some of
these other ones here. Saint John's I actually had a
Saint John's Red Men starter jacket growing up, just because
(07:42):
I thought it was cool, and they changed that one
to the Red Storm. U mass was the Minute Men,
and then they got rid of that. What's wrong with
the Minute Men? I mean naming things after colonials? The
colonials are gone. At George Washington, the.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Colonial Army was fighting against colonization, and they decided because
it had colonial in it, it had to go. Because
people are too much of morons to even understand language
these days, and frankly universities which should exist to educate
morons aka eighteen year old. I'm still fired up about this.
(08:20):
They changed the name to the GW Revolutionaries, and I
don't think it's coincidental that the quad immediately got taken
over by a bunch of crazy left wing radicals who
want to say they put the cafe or how you
pronounce it on George Washington's statue in the center of campus.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You can't hold in idiots. I didn't know about this.
One Eastern Washington University used to be the mascot was
the Savages. That's pretty that's pretty bad. I mean, yes,
you know, if you're on the if your team is
called the Savages. I feel like you're getting fired up
before you get out there on the field. There's a
lot of these. Elon University was the Fighting Christians and
(09:00):
they changed that. You can't even do that well.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean there was pressure on Notre Dame the Fighting Irish,
which is one of the great mascots, and again we just.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That would be, that would be so to me the
Fighting Irish today. First of all, no Irish people are
actually no people of Irish descenter offended. The whole thing
is absurd. A leprechaun, it's cute, it's funny until you
see the leprechaonn movies, which are actually terrifying with Warwick Davis,
who you know from Willow, which is a fun movie throwback,
but the actual Leprechaun movies very have you ever seen them? Clay,
(09:33):
very unsettling. It's a mean little leprechaun. He's not nice.
The horror not nice. It's a horror movie. Some people
are saying the meanest Leprechaun. Don't see those. Don't let
your kids see them either. But you see, the Fighting
Irish is such a brand that I think it's safe
because it's always about what's the brand value versus what's
the outcry going to be? Same thing with Yale, as
(09:55):
I pointed out before Elihu Yale was a slave trader.
Yale University is named for a person, named for a
person who was enriching himself off of the slave trade.
So you know, in some ways how much worse is
going to be in this. You know, you own slaves,
that's bad, right, But if you're making money by making
(10:17):
sure as many people as possible own slaves, you would
think that would be pretty bad. But people go to
Yale to say they go to Yale. They don't want
to say they go to you know, Southeastern New Haven
College of whatever. They want to say, they go to Yale.
And the fighting Irish is a great nickname, and there's
no reason why anybody should want that to be changed.
(10:39):
As I pointed out that I was always waiting for
the Vikings to come under heat. There's the Vikings did
at a lot of loot and pillage, A lot of
nasty stuff went into Actually the Irish monasteries looted those
bad things going on there. Vikings were not a bunch
of cuddly guys with weird horned helmets on that's also,
by the way, a total inacrotism. They never had horned helmets.
That comes from anyway, whole other thing. But you know,
(11:02):
this is something that finally Trump is saying, this is
just crazy town. And whether the team switchback or not,
I'm just glad Clay that someone's calling this out and
saying that it doesn't have to be this way. We
don't have to live our lives walking on eggshells because
miserable libs demand it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Here's a question for the history nerds out there. I
have an argument that I think is accurate, but it
feels to me like society at large is essentially saying
everything that happened from about twenty fourteen to twenty twenty
two was completely wrong, and we're in the process of
erasing all of it. Whether it's BLM protests, whether it
(11:41):
was the response to COVID, whether it was the changing
of the nicknames, whether it was Leah Thomas winning a
women's swimming championship.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This is the counter revolution. This is the Trump counter
revolution to the Maoist insanity. What is another American analogy
of something like this happening? Because the nineteen sixties is
probably the easiest era going to probably Reaganism. Reaganism as
a response to all the just degrading, an anti American,
(12:14):
nonsensical radicalism of the late sixties and in through the
seventies of Vietnam era. I think Reaganism was the response
to that.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But I would say there was actually some good clearly
that came out of the civil rights movement. Right, it's
good that everybody who's an American citizen should be able
to freely vote and everybody. So what is good that
came out of twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two? That
is a lasting legacy of Usually you have progress and
(12:45):
people say, okay, that progress is good, and then it
goes too far right, the pendulum swings too far, and
you can go from hey, we should have equal rights
in America. Everyone should. That's an aspirational goal, but maybe hey,
you shouldn't defy who gets into a school based on
the color of your skin. That's swinging it too far.
In other words, civil rights, okay, great society? Too much
(13:08):
with with with LBJ. What is the good? This is
what I think is really kind of fascinating about this.
What is something good that happened from fourteen to twenty two,
and i'm the.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Proliferation, the proliferation of police body cams, which is essentially
the end of the anti cop and BLM moves. Oh,
that's a good argument. That's a good argument. So unintentionally
it's unintentional wins. Yeah, but that consequence is real. The
reason you don't see these huge anti cop protest the
way is because the Internet and body camera footage, and
(13:44):
we see, Oh, I'm actually constantly amazed at how reasonable
and even deferential police saw in the face of a
lot of aggression and disrespect. That's what you actually see
when you pay attention to the reality of the video
footage on these body cams. And and the other thing
(14:05):
is that when there's somebody who's when there's a cop
who crosses the line, everyone hates that, including cops. They
don't want bad cops, they don't want cops who are
hurting people when they're not supposed to. So you know,
there's nothing but upside on the body cam.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
That's a great it's a great point because BLM basically
is getting has been destroyed because one it led to
way more death everything else. But every time they try
to make a viral incident, if it's almost always you're like, man,
the cops showed a lot of restraint there. Yes, right,
I mean overwhelmingly the person's name goes viral. Social media
(14:37):
is like, by the way, what I would say all
of this is connected to, and this is for future historians.
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Speaker 2 (16:34):
Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show. Uh, we
are talking about the impact of Trump's threats on the
Redskins name. I really don't know Buck, how it plays
out politically, because I think the owner of the Redskins
and I'm just gonna keep calling them the Redskins because
I think a lot of you still do. And I
(16:55):
hate having to change mascot names because I'm used to
calling them one thing for years. I think the owner
is waiting to see what the political blowback is. In
other words, how does the marketplace actually react. He's letting
Trump take the fire, but I think most people are
in favor of this, and look, the sports media would
(17:17):
not be. But I think the power of the sports
media as a whole has collapsed because a lot of
people are just like these guys are basically CNN, MSNBC stooges.
And I do think it's going to be intriguing to
see how that how that situation continues to develop. We'll
talk about that a bit more also the continued fallout.
(17:39):
We got some more Hunter Biden clips that are pretty
crazy that we will play for you, including him saying
Buck that one reason his dad didn't perform well at
the June twenty seventh debate was because he was on ambient.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Interesting.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
All right, welcome back into Clay and but let's talk
about the latest on Russia, Gates, Rush collusion, all that
stuff for a second, cause there's some new news on
this one. As we know, d and I Gabbard, whom
I had a long conversation with when Clay and I
were in d C. Clay was supposed to be part
of that conversation, but he showed up in his timey
bahamas and his flip flops to the White House and
(19:18):
they said, excuse me, sir, excuse me, No, just kidding.
He didn't have his passport, which I remember. I just
so you know, I'm not like the guy who leaves
his buddies behind in line at the nightclub. I actually
asked the Director of National Intelligence, I said, can we
go get Clay. He doesn't have his passport, but you
can just wave him in, right And she was like,
(19:38):
they won't let me in without my passport, And I alway said, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, in that case, you added, I didn't have real ID,
and then I didn't have my passport with me, and
you had to have one or the other to be
able to get in, not just my regular driver's license.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, she said, these rules do not get waived. Sorry,
you know, we love Clay, but he can come back
tomorrow or next time. So but I long talk with
Tulci what we talked about the record, But I asked her,
I said, can I say that we hung out and
talked for a while about, you know, what's going on
in the country. So Tulsi has has a mandate within
the director, within the intelligence community of cleaning up the mess.
(20:15):
It is still a and I can put it this way.
The brand, the the brand perception of the intelligence community
went from post nine to eleven. Yeah, of course, huge failure.
We get hit on nine to eleven. So there's that,
there's that reality. But then there was a surge of people,
including a lot of UH former military, including a lot
(20:35):
of elite military unit special operators who were working hand
in glove with the intelligence community to find these guys. Right,
I mean it's CIA Seal Team six, CIA Delta Force.
I mean these units or you know these entities were
symbiotic overseas doing incredibly important work in the what I
still believe we should just call the war on Terror.
(20:56):
We don't have a better name for it. The g
WATT and many of you serve in the GWATT, and
I thank you for your service, and I think that that,
unfortunately has gotten a little bit lost in the shuffle
lately people. I feel like our GWATT veterans, people, a
lot of people in this country are moving on beyond
what happened there. We should remember what they did and
the sacrifices that they made. But I think Clay, the
(21:20):
intelligence community, because of the Obama years and the weaponization
of it against Trump specifically, has now become a broadly
distrusted entity. The point where I was only there for
GWATT years. I see, you know, I'll appear in some
show or something. I'll be on Fox, or one of
our clips will go somewhere. People will say, you can't
(21:41):
trust this guy. He was CIA. I'm like, I remember
when I was in CIA and we're trying to stop
in Laden from blowing up the next plane. And that
was a real thing. Okay, So I don't know, but
this is what happened. The people who ran the place
decided that they were above the law and they were
in a position to change election outcomes. Really, and I
(22:05):
think that it should be remembered. And I give I
give my friend Ben Dominicic, who's a Fox guy, I
give him credit for this for pointing us out on
Twitter ofver the weekend, somebody said, I don't know who
it was. You know, they tried to use this Russia
collusion thing to take Trump down, and Ben wrote, they
almost succeeded. I think people forget that now we see
(22:28):
this in retrospect, because that's absolutely correct. They almost this
almost worked. They almost use this trap completely successfully to
destroy the Trump administration, destroy Trump and his family. So
Tulci Gabbert is now demanding that that Cash Betel and
Pam Bondi investigate Obama era DOJ officials. She says, it's
(22:52):
their responsibility, or rather they are responsible. Well, both both
Pam and Cash have this response ability and these people
from the Obama years are responsible. So here we go.
Here is this has caught fourteen team, And here's Tulsey
laying out what she sees now with access to it
(23:12):
all as the Director of National intelligence play.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It creating this piece of manufactured intelligence that claims that
Russia had helped Donald Trump get elected, contradicted every other
assessment that had been made previously in the months leading
up to the election that said exactly the opposite, that
Russia neither had neither the intent nor the capability to
try to quote unquote hack the United States election for
the presidency of the United States. So the effect of
(23:38):
what President Obama and his senior national security team did
was subvert the will of the American people, undermining our
democratic republic, and enacting what would be essentially a year's
long coup against President Trump, who was duly elected by
the American people.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, so I think I speak for average American out there,
is anybody ever going to get arrested or charged for
any of this because otherwise, yes, everything that Tulsea just
said there I believe is true. I think all of
the evidence out there is that the whole Russia collusion
(24:18):
lie was manufactured. I think if you just look at
basically what went on. They wandered this story through the
New York Times, in the Washington Post, which gave all
of the reporters who wrote it Pulitzers for fundamentally untrue
stories that were designed to destroy Trump's ability to be
President of the.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
United States for his first term. All of that, I
think is one hundred per century.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think that this is why there's so much blowback
on the Epstein front. I think many people out there
look at this and say, I've heard it all before.
Nobody ever pays Democrats indict Republicans like crazy purp walk
them everywhere, bankrupt them, sit them down, make them get
their photos taken.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Whether you're the President.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Of the United States, all the way down to a
grandma who walked into the Capitol on jan six and
was using alfie selfie stick to take pictures, those people
are all held accountable. They throw the entire book at them,
Democrats unless they decide somebody is not useful, like Robert Menendez, right,
and they just toss him to the side, and then
they got a new senator who they bring in instead. Basically,
(25:27):
no Democrat ever suffers any consequences, no matter what crimes
they break.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Is anything going to happen from this? No? Yeah. See,
that's where I think people get so frustrated, sorry to say,
and I think that that's people I know want they
want that to be untrue what I said, and maybe
maybe it will be. But here's the here's the first
thing that I would say, Okay, the only statute that
(25:56):
I can think of, like things like I don't even
know if there is a federal statute for official misuse
of position. That was something that I know there is
actually because when I was CIA, we had that right
like if you if you were if you claimed and
you used like your CIA identification to get out of
like a speeding you know, there were things where you
couldn't just say, like I'm CIA on a COVID, like
(26:18):
you can't stop officially and you get fired. I mean obviously,
so official misuse of position, but that's not a huge thing,
meaning you're not gonna go to prison for a long
time for that. I'm not gonna go to prison at all. Conspiracy.
Here's the thing about conspiracy, because I think there is
an there you could go for conspiracy charges here statutes
(26:38):
five years, statutes five years.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So what about leaking? What about leaking top secret information
to the press?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Statute is I think ten on that.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So you're still a little bit potentially it's getting close.
Depends still potentially be under that depend track down how
the leaking happened.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Those are but again those are very difficult cases approve it. Yeah,
I think the statute on those as ten years so.
But so this is what I just want to break
this down for everybody. What you know, Trump is saying
that they should be prosecuted, Okay, should be sure, should
have been definitely, How can they be under the system
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that we have. I don't see it. And now people
I know, I understand, I'm going to get immediately with this. Treason.
Treason has a specific federal definition. Treason is not just
betraying your country in a general Now it's used that
way in conversation, but there is a specific federal statutory
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explanation of the charge of treason, and I don't think
you'll be able to get anywhere near that with these
with essentially a plot cooked up inside the intelligence community,
with the Obama administration running point on it, using the
media to launder it, and then putting it out there,
(28:01):
and then using the Justice Department to try to undermine
from the inside the Trump administration. I just I don't
see what the statue would and please so don't write
in and tell me or Clay. They betrayed. Yeah, I know,
they betrayed the country. I Trump used to retweet me
on this stuff all the time because I knew that
they were lying about what's going on, the intelligence community.
(28:23):
They were lying about their use offis and their life.
We know all of that. Here, what are you going
to get them on? Now? What is the charge going
to be? What is the federal criminal indictment going to
be against comy again? You know, you know, name the
people involved? What is it? Tell me what it is
and if it sounds reasonable, great, you know, then then
(28:45):
we'll have an answer. But I don't see it, and
I wish that wasn't the case. But I'm just telling
everybody what I know.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I think it would have to be leaking the documents
to start the whole process. And that means you go
after reporters. That means you go after the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That means you go super complix, super complicated to do that,
by the way, and those all kinds of problems. Those
reporters will all scream, hey, we're you know, we support
the First Amendment, like we're being attacked by the federal government.
Sometimes they'll go to prison to avoid avoid revealing sources.
This is where I can remind you people always say
(29:22):
no way, Clay. The Obama administration use the Espionage Act,
not just more than any presidents before him, he used
it more than every presidency before him combined. Yeah, think
about that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I just look at this and say, it's particularly nasty
because you're leaking classified documents which may not accurately reflect
overall consensus view, and the reporters who report on it
don't have access to all the countervailing opinions that might
be inside of it agency, and they take it at
(30:01):
face value. And then because it was anti Trump, they
gave them all Pulitzer prizes. Remember, I don't think the
Poetser has rescinded any of these reports any of these awards.
And they treated them as if they were heroes when
all they were doing was laundering inaccurate information designed to
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destroy the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's actually.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Nasty on a level that I am still incredibly frustrated
about it. I think it ultimately destroyed the legitimacy of
much of the of much of the reporting universe. And
unless you get them for leaking classified documents, I think,
unfortunately this is just another case where we know many
crimes were committed and there are no consequences for them.
(30:50):
And I think a lot of people throw up their
hands and say, there is no law that holds Democrats accountable. Meanwhile,
whether your President Trump all the way down to like
I said, a grandma walking into the Capitol on January sixth,
you get the book thrown at you. And meanwhile Republicans
do nothing by and large to Democrats in exchange.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Right, Well, this is where you get into so now
because because again I feel exactly where you are on this,
there's this frustration we are side always gets the book
thrown out them, even for and they always get away
with it. Well, here's what they did. Remember the Supreme
Court had to weigh in on this. They treated obstruction
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as an official proceeding. I mean, they expanded this definition
of obstruction of an official proceeding. It is really meant
to prevent people from destroying all the evidence in a
federal criminal investigation. And they use this to go after
j six people. So what they do is really unconstitutionally
expand a statute to go after their political enemies and
(31:55):
ruin their lives. We could do that too, I mean,
but that's what it would require, is what I'm saying.
If you're telling me we're gonna use a real statute
in good faith and approach it in this way, I
don't see how you're gonna get not only Comey sent
to prison or anything like that. I don't even think
he's gonna I don't even think I could bring a charge.
(32:17):
I don't know what the charge is unless you want
to just shoehorn something into it. Maybe some of you do,
but that's I think what this would require.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Look, and the Statute of Limitations factors in here in
a big way. And I get why all of you
are frustrated, because I feel like all these things are
basically proven and then there are no consequences for them,
and so everybody just throws up their hands and says,
here we go again. Yes they did something illegal, No,
nothing happens to them.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah. Look, you're an informed individual. You know how hard
President Trump is working to get our economy to the
place that is right now and beyond. We're just seeing
the early stages of this. But that's something that you
can't take for granted. And you can't just think, oh,
he's got this covered for me. You have to take
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us next hour. By the way,
You've got a couple of different things that I think
are we're talking about more. The Stephen Colbert cancellation has
led to abject fury on the left. I do think
that basic business is interesting there, and I think it
(34:30):
also ties in with the WNBA players coming out with
the pay us what you Owe us t shirts over
the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
If you didn't see that. I think both of.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Them are kind of emblematic of a lack of understanding
of basic economics, which unfortunately characterizes the entire left in
this country on a day to day basis. I did
buck want to give a positive movie review because I
know we talked about Superman. I still have not seen Superman.
Imagine many of you have because it's one of the
biggest movies the summer. But I did go see another
(35:01):
big movie of the summer. And I am not a
crazy knowledgeable F one racing expert, so please, I'm sure
many of you out there that love F one are
going to tell me the things you didn't like about
the realism associated with the movie. I thought F one
was really good. Brad Pitt, fun, engaging, no political agenda
(35:25):
other than hey, let's just try to make a fun movie.
Had elements of Days of Thunder, elements of the Top
Gun Maverick movie, Older race Car Driver, Younger race Car Dynamic.
And it was super cool, well done, enjoyable summer movie
if you need enjoyable summer movie reviews.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
My brother saw it too. You see it Friday, I
think you guys this Saturday. Yes, he saw it this weekend.
He agreed with you. He thought it was good and
he said that you would like the movie. And I said, great,
I will watch it at home where I do not
have to be around other human beings because they always
in the movie by talking and being on their phones
and doing annoying rude things. So and he said, ah, yes,
(36:07):
I forgot that. I was talking to the grumpiest forty
three year old ever. But I at least told you
it's a good movie. You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
So they had all the movie previews running beforehand, and
some of them were like The Conjuring, which is one
of the scariest movies ever but then they also show
Downton Abbey Downton and I turned to my wife and
I'm rounding down Downton Abbey. I was like, why would
they be advertising that. She said, Oh, every woman in
here loves Brad Pitt and uh, and that's why they're
(36:35):
showing this.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I said, oh, that's interesting. So I said, Brad
Pitt's a little bit like me.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Men want to be him and women love him, and
my wife just laughed. I actually she did not have
a lot of respect for my Brad Pitt analogy
Come back in everybody second hour of Clay and Buck
picks off right now and we said we're going to
dive into a Clay. I kind of wants you because
I voted for this. Yeah, sure, I voted for this.
I did. I wanted somebody who was going to come
in and say this cultural Marxism, this Maoist cultural revolution
(00:26):
that was really put in motion by the eight years
of Obama, but continued during the presidency of Joe Biden.
This turning our back on our history, rewriting history, feeling
(00:46):
like we should all be or at least some of
us should be sorry for American history. All this No
enough is enough, and I think that we reached our
fill of that nonsense a long time ago. But here
is a moment in time where I actually wasn't even
expecting Trump to do this. I didn't know this is
going to happen. He has said that it is time
(01:08):
for the Washington Commanders to go back to the Redskins.
He had a post on truth Social he said the
Washington Whatevers should immediately change their name back to the
Washington Redskins football team. There's a big clamoring for this. Likewise,
the Cleveland Indians, one of the six original baseball teams
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with a storied past are great. Indian people in massive
numbers want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is
systematically being taken away from them. Times are different now
than they were three or four years ago. We are
a country of passion and common sense. All Caps owners
get it done. Mister Clay, is this going to get done?
(01:49):
What do you make of this? What do you think
of this? Is it possible? And what do the fans want?
Take me through it?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So I put up a poll, and I'm not saying
that my audience is one hundred percent representative of the
average sports fan. But my poll showed ninety seven percent
of my audience wanted the name to go back to
Washington Redskins. And I asked the question, and I think
it's a good one. Is there anybody out there that,
(02:20):
even if they are super left leaning, where it would
be ninety seven to three the other way right? So
let's presume Keith Olberman put up this poll for his audience.
I don't think ninety seven percent of his audience, even
though they are super left winging, crazy insane people, would
vote Hey, keep the Washington commander's name, and I don't
(02:44):
know that the team and New York correct me if
I'm wrong, has not commented on this yet. The Cleveland
Indians did and they said we love the Guardians, And
everybody listening in Cleveland right now is saying, no, we don't.
This is a stupid name. We would much prefer that
the Cleveland Indian name came back. But I would say
(03:07):
that what is interesting to me about this is twofold one.
Trump is putting it on his shoulders and actually giving
the team a little bit of a pass because he's saying, hey,
if you want a brand new stadium on federal land
in Washington, d C. And you want the federal government
and the District of Columbia government to help you and
(03:30):
provide hundreds of millions of dollars in financing, then one
of the conditions associated with this is I think you
should be the Redskins.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Again. I don't dislike that.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
This is not somebody deciding to come into a private
business and dictate how they do business. He's saying, hey,
if you want the federal government's help to build a
great new stadium in Washington, D C. Then there are
all sorts of conditions that the government, as a partner
in this negotiation, would demand. Returning the name of Redskins.
(04:03):
I think is a significant ask, but also a reasonable
one point two. This is I think symbolically important because
I hit it at this when we went to break.
I like to think of myself as a reasonable person. Now,
some of you out there might say you are crazy,
You're not really okay, but I think in general I
(04:23):
have my pulse on the average sports fan in America.
I think I could sit down with them, no matter
where they're from, and we could have a good conversation,
no matter what their background. Buck points out, and I
do think it's true that if you are a college
football fan, I feel like I could find common ground
with you.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Claylond is not really a big hug guy, but if
you like college football, just give him a hug when
you see him. He's fine with it. As long as
you say you love a college football team, preferably SEC.
Maybe shake his hand if you're not an SEC fan,
but if you love college football, you can definitely shake
and just give him a hug. If you like the SEC,
he's fine with it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think we speak a common language and and for
a long time I was of the opinion, hey, I'm
so tired of the mascot argument, and I think this
is the average guy and gal out there that I
was reasonable and I said, Okay, we'll give up redskins,
we'll give up Indians, we won't fight that hard over this,
(05:20):
and then we'll just put it to rest forever. And
it never does because leftists aren't satisfied.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They never sit back and say, hey, you know what,
we're happy. And I would say this, think about gay marriage.
Whatever you think about gay marriage. I thought, when gay
marriage happened, okay, we've reached the logical extension of the
left in America. There is nowhere else they can go. Instead,
(05:49):
they weren't happy with that. They decided that men had
to win women's championships because men are actually women. And
they decided that, Hey, also, let's argue that if you
don't accept someone else's change gender, you're a bigot. And
buck is right here. I think if they could continue
(06:11):
the advance, it would move on to hey, it's unacceptable
if you're a man and you don't want to sleep
with a man pretending to be a woman, because they're
real women.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Too.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Chicks with are just normal chicks. And that was a bleep.
I didn't say it, but that's kind of where we're headed.
And so my point on this is the crazy just
gets accelerated and there isn't a reasonable Hey, okay, once
and for all, we've negotiated this like business people would,
(06:47):
and you say we're gonna put this behind us. Now
this is a negotiation. They keep asking for more, and
so I think instead of giving them more, culturally, you
have to take back what you already gave them, and
you have to draw the line and say we're not
playing this game anymore. A lot of colleges have changed,
particularly if they had anything that is Indian or Native
(07:07):
American related. A lot of college have changed their mascot.
Dartmouth that's one of the worst examples of this, I
think just because they went from uh, they they went
from their Indian mascot to the big Green.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
What is that? That's not that's I don't even know
what what is the big green? It makes no sense. Yeah,
you're the color. I mean, it's it's also it makes
no sense at all. I'm trying to see some of
these other ones here. Saint John's I actually had a
Saint John's Red Men starter jacket growing up, just because
(07:42):
I thought it was cool, and they changed that one
to the Red Storm. U mass was the Minute Men,
and then they got rid of that. What's wrong with
the Minute Men? I mean naming things after colonials? The
colonials are gone. At George Washington, the.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Colonial Army was fighting against colonization, and they decided because
it had colonial in it, it had to go. Because
people are too much of morons to even understand language
these days, and frankly universities which should exist to educate
morons aka eighteen year old. I'm still fired up about this.
(08:20):
They changed the name to the GW Revolutionaries, and I
don't think it's coincidental that the quad immediately got taken
over by a bunch of crazy left wing radicals who
want to say they put the cafe or how you
pronounce it on George Washington's statue in the center of campus.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You can't hold in idiots. I didn't know about this.
One Eastern Washington University used to be the mascot was
the Savages. That's pretty that's pretty bad. I mean, yes,
you know, if you're on the if your team is
called the Savages. I feel like you're getting fired up
before you get out there on the field. There's a
lot of these. Elon University was the Fighting Christians and
(09:00):
they changed that. You can't even do that well.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean there was pressure on Notre Dame the Fighting Irish,
which is one of the great mascots, and again we just.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That would be, that would be so to me the
Fighting Irish today. First of all, no Irish people are
actually no people of Irish descenter offended. The whole thing
is absurd. A leprechaun, it's cute, it's funny until you
see the leprechaonn movies, which are actually terrifying with Warwick Davis,
who you know from Willow, which is a fun movie throwback,
but the actual Leprechaun movies very have you ever seen them? Clay,
(09:33):
very unsettling. It's a mean little leprechaun. He's not nice.
The horror not nice. It's a horror movie. Some people
are saying the meanest Leprechaun. Don't see those. Don't let
your kids see them either. But you see, the Fighting
Irish is such a brand that I think it's safe
because it's always about what's the brand value versus what's
the outcry going to be? Same thing with Yale, as
(09:55):
I pointed out before Elihu Yale was a slave trader.
Yale University is named for a person, named for a
person who was enriching himself off of the slave trade.
So you know, in some ways how much worse is
going to be in this. You know, you own slaves,
that's bad, right, But if you're making money by making
(10:17):
sure as many people as possible own slaves, you would
think that would be pretty bad. But people go to
Yale to say they go to Yale. They don't want
to say they go to you know, Southeastern New Haven
College of whatever. They want to say, they go to Yale.
And the fighting Irish is a great nickname, and there's
no reason why anybody should want that to be changed.
(10:39):
As I pointed out that I was always waiting for
the Vikings to come under heat. There's the Vikings did
at a lot of loot and pillage, A lot of
nasty stuff went into Actually the Irish monasteries looted those
bad things going on there. Vikings were not a bunch
of cuddly guys with weird horned helmets on that's also,
by the way, a total inacrotism. They never had horned helmets.
That comes from anyway, whole other thing. But you know,
(11:02):
this is something that finally Trump is saying, this is
just crazy town. And whether the team switchback or not,
I'm just glad Clay that someone's calling this out and
saying that it doesn't have to be this way. We
don't have to live our lives walking on eggshells because
miserable libs demand it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Here's a question for the history nerds out there. I
have an argument that I think is accurate, but it
feels to me like society at large is essentially saying
everything that happened from about twenty fourteen to twenty twenty
two was completely wrong, and we're in the process of
erasing all of it. Whether it's BLM protests, whether it
(11:41):
was the response to COVID, whether it was the changing
of the nicknames, whether it was Leah Thomas winning a
women's swimming championship.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This is the counter revolution. This is the Trump counter
revolution to the Maoist insanity. What is another American analogy
of something like this happening? Because the nineteen sixties is
probably the easiest era going to probably Reaganism. Reaganism as
a response to all the just degrading, an anti American,
(12:14):
nonsensical radicalism of the late sixties and in through the
seventies of Vietnam era. I think Reaganism was the response
to that.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But I would say there was actually some good clearly
that came out of the civil rights movement. Right, it's
good that everybody who's an American citizen should be able
to freely vote and everybody. So what is good that
came out of twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two? That
is a lasting legacy of Usually you have progress and
(12:45):
people say, okay, that progress is good, and then it
goes too far right, the pendulum swings too far, and
you can go from hey, we should have equal rights
in America. Everyone should. That's an aspirational goal, but maybe hey,
you shouldn't defy who gets into a school based on
the color of your skin. That's swinging it too far.
In other words, civil rights, okay, great society? Too much
(13:08):
with with with LBJ. What is the good? This is
what I think is really kind of fascinating about this.
What is something good that happened from fourteen to twenty two,
and i'm the.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Proliferation, the proliferation of police body cams, which is essentially
the end of the anti cop and BLM moves. Oh,
that's a good argument. That's a good argument. So unintentionally
it's unintentional wins. Yeah, but that consequence is real. The
reason you don't see these huge anti cop protest the
way is because the Internet and body camera footage, and
(13:44):
we see, Oh, I'm actually constantly amazed at how reasonable
and even deferential police saw in the face of a
lot of aggression and disrespect. That's what you actually see
when you pay attention to the reality of the video
footage on these body cams. And and the other thing
(14:05):
is that when there's somebody who's when there's a cop
who crosses the line, everyone hates that, including cops. They
don't want bad cops, they don't want cops who are
hurting people when they're not supposed to. So you know,
there's nothing but upside on the body cam.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
That's a great it's a great point because BLM basically
is getting has been destroyed because one it led to
way more death everything else. But every time they try
to make a viral incident, if it's almost always you're like, man,
the cops showed a lot of restraint there. Yes, right,
I mean overwhelmingly the person's name goes viral. Social media
(14:37):
is like, by the way, what I would say all
of this is connected to, and this is for future historians.
I think it was everybody went crazy because of social media.
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Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show. Uh, we
are talking about the impact of Trump's threats on the
Redskins name. I really don't know Buck, how it plays
out politically, because I think the owner of the Redskins
and I'm just gonna keep calling them the Redskins because
I think a lot of you still do. And I
(16:55):
hate having to change mascot names because I'm used to
calling them one thing for years. I think the owner
is waiting to see what the political blowback is. In
other words, how does the marketplace actually react. He's letting
Trump take the fire, but I think most people are
in favor of this, and look, the sports media would
(17:17):
not be. But I think the power of the sports
media as a whole has collapsed because a lot of
people are just like these guys are basically CNN, MSNBC stooges.
And I do think it's going to be intriguing to
see how that how that situation continues to develop. We'll
talk about that a bit more also the continued fallout.
(17:39):
We got some more Hunter Biden clips that are pretty
crazy that we will play for you, including him saying
Buck that one reason his dad didn't perform well at
the June twenty seventh debate was because he was on ambient.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
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All right, welcome back into Clay and but let's talk
about the latest on Russia, Gates, Rush collusion, all that
stuff for a second, cause there's some new news on
this one. As we know, d and I Gabbard, whom
I had a long conversation with when Clay and I
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bahamas and his flip flops to the White House and
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they said, excuse me, sir, excuse me, No, just kidding.
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so you know, I'm not like the guy who leaves
his buddies behind in line at the nightclub. I actually
asked the Director of National Intelligence, I said, can we
go get Clay. He doesn't have his passport, but you
can just wave him in, right And she was like,
(19:38):
they won't let me in without my passport, And I alway said, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, in that case, you added, I didn't have real ID,
and then I didn't have my passport with me, and
you had to have one or the other to be
able to get in, not just my regular driver's license.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, she said, these rules do not get waived. Sorry,
you know, we love Clay, but he can come back
tomorrow or next time. So but I long talk with
Tulci what we talked about the record, But I asked her,
I said, can I say that we hung out and
talked for a while about, you know, what's going on
in the country. So Tulsi has has a mandate within
the director, within the intelligence community of cleaning up the mess.
(20:15):
It is still a and I can put it this way.
The brand, the the brand perception of the intelligence community
went from post nine to eleven. Yeah, of course, huge failure.
We get hit on nine to eleven. So there's that,
there's that reality. But then there was a surge of people,
including a lot of UH former military, including a lot
(20:35):
of elite military unit special operators who were working hand
in glove with the intelligence community to find these guys. Right,
I mean it's CIA Seal Team six, CIA Delta Force.
I mean these units or you know these entities were
symbiotic overseas doing incredibly important work in the what I
still believe we should just call the war on Terror.
(20:56):
We don't have a better name for it. The g
WATT and many of you serve in the GWATT, and
I thank you for your service, and I think that that,
unfortunately has gotten a little bit lost in the shuffle
lately people. I feel like our GWATT veterans, people, a
lot of people in this country are moving on beyond
what happened there. We should remember what they did and
the sacrifices that they made. But I think Clay, the
(21:20):
intelligence community, because of the Obama years and the weaponization
of it against Trump specifically, has now become a broadly
distrusted entity. The point where I was only there for
GWATT years. I see, you know, I'll appear in some
show or something. I'll be on Fox, or one of
our clips will go somewhere. People will say, you can't
(21:41):
trust this guy. He was CIA. I'm like, I remember
when I was in CIA and we're trying to stop
in Laden from blowing up the next plane. And that
was a real thing. Okay, So I don't know, but
this is what happened. The people who ran the place
decided that they were above the law and they were
in a position to change election outcomes. Really, and I
(22:05):
think that it should be remembered. And I give I
give my friend Ben Dominicic, who's a Fox guy, I
give him credit for this for pointing us out on
Twitter ofver the weekend, somebody said, I don't know who
it was. You know, they tried to use this Russia
collusion thing to take Trump down, and Ben wrote, they
almost succeeded. I think people forget that now we see
(22:28):
this in retrospect, because that's absolutely correct. They almost this
almost worked. They almost use this trap completely successfully to
destroy the Trump administration, destroy Trump and his family. So
Tulci Gabbert is now demanding that that Cash Betel and
Pam Bondi investigate Obama era DOJ officials. She says, it's
(22:52):
their responsibility, or rather they are responsible. Well, both both
Pam and Cash have this response ability and these people
from the Obama years are responsible. So here we go.
Here is this has caught fourteen team, And here's Tulsey
laying out what she sees now with access to it
(23:12):
all as the Director of National intelligence play.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It creating this piece of manufactured intelligence that claims that
Russia had helped Donald Trump get elected, contradicted every other
assessment that had been made previously in the months leading
up to the election that said exactly the opposite, that
Russia neither had neither the intent nor the capability to
try to quote unquote hack the United States election for
the presidency of the United States. So the effect of
(23:38):
what President Obama and his senior national security team did
was subvert the will of the American people, undermining our
democratic republic, and enacting what would be essentially a year's
long coup against President Trump, who was duly elected by
the American people.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, so I think I speak for average American out there,
is anybody ever going to get arrested or charged for
any of this because otherwise, yes, everything that Tulsea just
said there I believe is true. I think all of
the evidence out there is that the whole Russia collusion
(24:18):
lie was manufactured. I think if you just look at
basically what went on. They wandered this story through the
New York Times, in the Washington Post, which gave all
of the reporters who wrote it Pulitzers for fundamentally untrue
stories that were designed to destroy Trump's ability to be
President of the.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
United States for his first term. All of that, I
think is one hundred per century.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think that this is why there's so much blowback
on the Epstein front. I think many people out there
look at this and say, I've heard it all before.
Nobody ever pays Democrats indict Republicans like crazy purp walk
them everywhere, bankrupt them, sit them down, make them get
their photos taken.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Whether you're the President.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Of the United States, all the way down to a
grandma who walked into the Capitol on jan six and
was using alfie selfie stick to take pictures, those people
are all held accountable. They throw the entire book at them,
Democrats unless they decide somebody is not useful, like Robert Menendez, right,
and they just toss him to the side, and then
they got a new senator who they bring in instead. Basically,
(25:27):
no Democrat ever suffers any consequences, no matter what crimes
they break.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Is anything going to happen from this? No? Yeah. See,
that's where I think people get so frustrated, sorry to say,
and I think that that's people I know want they
want that to be untrue what I said, and maybe
maybe it will be. But here's the here's the first
thing that I would say, Okay, the only statute that
(25:56):
I can think of, like things like I don't even
know if there is a federal statute for official misuse
of position. That was something that I know there is
actually because when I was CIA, we had that right
like if you if you were if you claimed and
you used like your CIA identification to get out of
like a speeding you know, there were things where you
couldn't just say, like I'm CIA on a COVID, like
(26:18):
you can't stop officially and you get fired. I mean obviously,
so official misuse of position, but that's not a huge thing,
meaning you're not gonna go to prison for a long
time for that. I'm not gonna go to prison at all. Conspiracy.
Here's the thing about conspiracy, because I think there is
an there you could go for conspiracy charges here statutes
(26:38):
five years, statutes five years.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So what about leaking? What about leaking top secret information
to the press?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Statute is I think ten on that.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So you're still a little bit potentially it's getting close.
Depends still potentially be under that depend track down how
the leaking happened.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Those are but again those are very difficult cases approve it. Yeah,
I think the statute on those as ten years so.
But so this is what I just want to break
this down for everybody. What you know, Trump is saying
that they should be prosecuted, Okay, should be sure, should
have been definitely, How can they be under the system
(27:18):
that we have. I don't see it. And now people
I know, I understand, I'm going to get immediately with this. Treason.
Treason has a specific federal definition. Treason is not just
betraying your country in a general Now it's used that
way in conversation, but there is a specific federal statutory
(27:39):
explanation of the charge of treason, and I don't think
you'll be able to get anywhere near that with these
with essentially a plot cooked up inside the intelligence community,
with the Obama administration running point on it, using the
media to launder it, and then putting it out there,
(28:01):
and then using the Justice Department to try to undermine
from the inside the Trump administration. I just I don't
see what the statue would and please so don't write
in and tell me or Clay. They betrayed. Yeah, I know,
they betrayed the country. I Trump used to retweet me
on this stuff all the time because I knew that
they were lying about what's going on, the intelligence community.
(28:23):
They were lying about their use offis and their life.
We know all of that. Here, what are you going
to get them on? Now? What is the charge going
to be? What is the federal criminal indictment going to
be against comy again? You know, you know, name the
people involved? What is it? Tell me what it is
and if it sounds reasonable, great, you know, then then
(28:45):
we'll have an answer. But I don't see it, and
I wish that wasn't the case. But I'm just telling
everybody what I know.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I think it would have to be leaking the documents
to start the whole process. And that means you go
after reporters. That means you go after the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That means you go super complix, super complicated to do that,
by the way, and those all kinds of problems. Those
reporters will all scream, hey, we're you know, we support
the First Amendment, like we're being attacked by the federal government.
Sometimes they'll go to prison to avoid avoid revealing sources.
This is where I can remind you people always say
(29:22):
no way, Clay. The Obama administration use the Espionage Act,
not just more than any presidents before him, he used
it more than every presidency before him combined. Yeah, think
about that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I just look at this and say, it's particularly nasty
because you're leaking classified documents which may not accurately reflect
overall consensus view, and the reporters who report on it
don't have access to all the countervailing opinions that might
be inside of it agency, and they take it at
(30:01):
face value. And then because it was anti Trump, they
gave them all Pulitzer prizes. Remember, I don't think the
Poetser has rescinded any of these reports any of these awards.
And they treated them as if they were heroes when
all they were doing was laundering inaccurate information designed to
(30:22):
destroy the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's actually.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Nasty on a level that I am still incredibly frustrated
about it. I think it ultimately destroyed the legitimacy of
much of the of much of the reporting universe. And
unless you get them for leaking classified documents, I think,
unfortunately this is just another case where we know many
crimes were committed and there are no consequences for them.
(30:50):
And I think a lot of people throw up their
hands and say, there is no law that holds Democrats accountable. Meanwhile,
whether your President Trump all the way down to like
I said, a grandma walking into the Capitol on January sixth,
you get the book thrown at you. And meanwhile Republicans
do nothing by and large to Democrats in exchange.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Right, Well, this is where you get into so now
because because again I feel exactly where you are on this,
there's this frustration we are side always gets the book
thrown out them, even for and they always get away
with it. Well, here's what they did. Remember the Supreme
Court had to weigh in on this. They treated obstruction
(31:33):
as an official proceeding. I mean, they expanded this definition
of obstruction of an official proceeding. It is really meant
to prevent people from destroying all the evidence in a
federal criminal investigation. And they use this to go after
j six people. So what they do is really unconstitutionally
expand a statute to go after their political enemies and
(31:55):
ruin their lives. We could do that too, I mean,
but that's what it would require, is what I'm saying.
If you're telling me we're gonna use a real statute
in good faith and approach it in this way, I
don't see how you're gonna get not only Comey sent
to prison or anything like that. I don't even think
he's gonna I don't even think I could bring a charge.
(32:17):
I don't know what the charge is unless you want
to just shoehorn something into it. Maybe some of you do,
but that's I think what this would require.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Look, and the Statute of Limitations factors in here in
a big way. And I get why all of you
are frustrated, because I feel like all these things are
basically proven and then there are no consequences for them,
and so everybody just throws up their hands and says,
here we go again. Yes they did something illegal, No,
nothing happens to them.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
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President Trump is working to get our economy to the
place that is right now and beyond. We're just seeing
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can't take for granted. And you can't just think, oh,
he's got this covered for me. You have to take
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us next hour. By the way,
You've got a couple of different things that I think
are we're talking about more. The Stephen Colbert cancellation has
led to abject fury on the left. I do think
that basic business is interesting there, and I think it
(34:30):
also ties in with the WNBA players coming out with
the pay us what you Owe us t shirts over
the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
If you didn't see that. I think both of.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Them are kind of emblematic of a lack of understanding
of basic economics, which unfortunately characterizes the entire left in
this country on a day to day basis. I did
buck want to give a positive movie review because I
know we talked about Superman. I still have not seen Superman.
Imagine many of you have because it's one of the
biggest movies the summer. But I did go see another
(35:01):
big movie of the summer. And I am not a
crazy knowledgeable F one racing expert, so please, I'm sure
many of you out there that love F one are
going to tell me the things you didn't like about
the realism associated with the movie. I thought F one
was really good. Brad Pitt, fun, engaging, no political agenda
(35:25):
other than hey, let's just try to make a fun movie.
Had elements of Days of Thunder, elements of the Top
Gun Maverick movie, Older race Car Driver, Younger race Car Dynamic.
And it was super cool, well done, enjoyable summer movie
if you need enjoyable summer movie reviews.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
My brother saw it too. You see it Friday, I
think you guys this Saturday. Yes, he saw it this weekend.
He agreed with you. He thought it was good and
he said that you would like the movie. And I said, great,
I will watch it at home where I do not
have to be around other human beings because they always
in the movie by talking and being on their phones
and doing annoying rude things. So and he said, ah, yes,
(36:07):
I forgot that. I was talking to the grumpiest forty
three year old ever. But I at least told you
it's a good movie. You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
So they had all the movie previews running beforehand, and
some of them were like The Conjuring, which is one
of the scariest movies ever but then they also show
Downton Abbey Downton and I turned to my wife and
I'm rounding down Downton Abbey. I was like, why would
they be advertising that. She said, Oh, every woman in
here loves Brad Pitt and uh, and that's why they're
(36:35):
showing this.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I said, oh, that's interesting. So I said, Brad
Pitt's a little bit like me.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Men want to be him and women love him, and
my wife just laughed. I actually she did not have
a lot of respect for my Brad Pitt analogy
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