August 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and emotionally charged segment centered around the cultural and political fallout of the woke movement, cancel culture, and the broader American cultural shift. This hour features an in-depth interview with Grant Napear, the former voice of the Sacramento Kings, who was fired in 2020 after tweeting “All Lives Matter.” Napear recounts the rapid unraveling of his 32-year broadcasting career and the lack of public support from industry peers, despite widespread private agreement with his stance. His story is framed as emblematic of the cancel culture era, particularly during the Black Lives Matter protests and COVID lockdowns, and highlights the fear-driven silence of many in media and corporate America.
Clay Travis uses Napear’s experience to underscore the broader theme of cowardice vs. courage in American society, especially among wealthy elites who failed to speak out during critical cultural moments. He argues that the Trump presidency has ushered in a period of cultural correction, where many of the excesses of the woke era are being rolled back. The hour also touches on the legal victories for President Trump, including a federal appeals court ruling that reversed a contempt finding related to deportation policies under the Alien Enemies Act, reinforcing Trump’s executive authority.
The segment includes commentary on the changing landscape of college admissions, particularly in SEC schools, and the viral popularity of sorority recruitment videos, which Clay sees as a reflection of shifting cultural values. A lighter moment features a geologist caller comparing the historical height of the Smoky Mountains to the Rockies, adding a humorous twist to the hour.
Throughout the hour, Clay emphasizes the importance of free speech, resisting mob pressure, and standing firm in one’s beliefs. He calls out the hypocrisy of those who now cheer for Trump but remained silent when it mattered most. The hour closes with a passionate reflection on American resilience, the need for cultural backbone, and a preview of Hour 3’s continued exploration of Hollywood’s decline and the collapse of the woke entertainment industry.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We welcome back in hour number two Glad Tierravis buck
Sexton Show. I'm laughing as I come back out of break.
You guys know, I started off in the world of sports,
and the colleges are all returning to campus, and during
the commercial break, I'm scrolling through checking to see what
all the latest news is. And I don't know how
(00:23):
many of you have seen these kind of stories. I
bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of
recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the
sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One
of our writers at OutKick, Joe Kinsey, who does fabulous
work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the
(00:47):
SEC sororities. It got eleven million views on Twitter, and
these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking
because I just shared the video that he shared on
social media, and I'm kind of partly kidding about this,
but it's going to be harder in the future to
get into SEC schools than it is to get into
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Ivy League schools because I tweeted about this and I'm
about to bring in Grant Napier and I want to
get his story because I think it all kind of
ties in with the cultural shift that we're seeing. When
I was a kid, you basically had to have a
pulse to get into an SEC school. I graduated high
school in nineteen ninety seven, and I could have gotten
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into the University of Tennessee maybe as a dead man.
They probably would have admitted me if I could have
paid the tuition. Right now, the University of Tennessee has
a thirty eight percent at mid rate Ole Miss and
people in Mississippi are going to kind of know when
you had a kid that was a troublemaker and couldn't
get into any other school, you were like, all right,
(01:54):
I guess we'll send him to Ole Miss. It's hard
to get into Ole Miss. Now, kids in LA and
Chicago and New York City are cutting each other in
their admissions counselor offices to try to get an invite
to Starkville, Mississippi. I've never seen anything like this. Every
southern big school that plays football, every Q girl wants
(02:18):
to go there, and every guy who likes Q girls
wants to go there too. And there's a lot of
those people all over the country. But anyway, let's bring
in Grant Napier. I do think it's emblematic of the
cultural shift that we are seeing across the country. But
I want to go back in time, way way back
in time to five years ago, in the summer of
twenty twenty, Grant Napier with us now and Grant, I
(02:39):
just want you to tell this audience your story because
we talked about it back in the day when I
was doing my sports talk radio show, and everybody kind
of turned their backs on you. But tell me just
kind of take for this audience, tell them what was
going on with you in the summer of twenty twenty
and what happen up to you. I'm just going to
(03:01):
give you the floor.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
On May thirty first of twenty twenty, I was sitting
in my living room watching TV and I got a
phone call from the head coach now of the Sacramento Kings,
Doug Christy, who is my co host on my radio show,
and he said, Napes, did you see de Marcus Cousin's tweet?
I said, no, I don't follow him. As a matter
(03:24):
of fact, I muted him, and he said you should.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So I did, and it was at Grant ne Peer's show,
what do you think of BLM? And I said something like, hey,
I haven't heard from you in years. I thought you
forgot about me. And I responded with six words all
lives matter, every single one in capital letters with three
exclamation points. Well, all of a sudden, I'm getting a
(03:52):
lot of calls and messages. Oh wow, I can't believe
you said that. Well that was Sunday night at about
six Tuesday afternoon. By two forty I had been fired
by a radio station that I was at for twenty
six years, same time slot for twenty six years, highly
(04:13):
rated show, and then I resigned as the thirty two
year TV voice of the Sacramento Kings on that same day.
That was five years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This is I mean, I think it's important to remind
people of what was going on. So I want to
follow this back up. You tweeted in response to an
NBA player tweeting to you about black lives matter. All
lives matter, every single one, and you lost your radio
jobs sports talk radio job of twenty six years, and
(04:44):
your thirty two year Sacramento Kings television announcing job was
gone as well. Okay, that is I mean, it is
really very staggering. What was the response, both publicly and
privately to all that happening to you in the early
summer of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Probably people were outraged. They were blown away. I had
some of the biggest names in the sportscasting industry reach
out to me talking about how they couldn't believe it,
and then they were telling me that geez, they're going
to be nervous about saying something that maybe they shouldn't
or it's going to be misconstrued. But what was amazing
(05:25):
is every single one of them said, I would love
to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They
were too afraid. That was what it was like. People
were too afraid to speak out and come to my
defense publicly. I had a lot of support, but unfortunately
this was one week after the murder of George Floyd.
You know what's crazy about this Clay leading up to
(05:47):
that May thirty first, May twenty fifth was when George
Floyd was murdered. I mean, I had a lot of
positive tweets about what was going on, supporting everything that
was going on. Nobody spent five minutes to go back
and look at those tweets. It was like Oh wait
a minute, we have to fire Grant Napier. We have
(06:08):
to show black lives matter, don't come after us. Oh no,
we fired a guy that set all lives matter. They panicked.
I mean, think about that. Clay a thirty two year career,
a twenty six year career. I didn't have one thing
in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonnaville International.
And here's something else that's interesting. If you go to
Bonneville International right now, if you google Bonnaville International leadership
(06:31):
and you look at their leadership, every single person is
either a white male or a white female. No people
of color, no minorities. It's a freaking joke. It's an
absolute joke. And I was the scapegoat. I was the
sacrifice of LAMB to tell black lives matter, Hey, don't
come after us. We just fired a guy that set
all lives matter. Who's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I remember covering it, and I believe we had you
on and we talked about the fact that this was ridiculous.
There was almost nobody else that would say it. Why
what lessons? Sitting here five years later, do you think
the country needs to take and to learn what would
you hope. By the way, before we get into the lessons,
(07:10):
let's go to the reason. I was very excited to
see this. You now are coming back on the air.
Sacramento is one of the biggest audiences this show has,
so we appreciate everybody listening to us in California. You
are going to be back on the air after five
years doing sports talk radio in Sacramento. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened
over the last couple of months. If you would ask
me a year ago if I thought I'd be back
on Sacramento Radio, I would have said, no way. I've
been doing a podcast. I started doing a podcast in
October of twenty twenties, just a couple of months after
I was fired. And isn't it just crazy? My first
guest on my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a
(07:50):
problem with me saying all lives matter. I had Dusty
Baker on. I've had a lot of former Kings on Spudweb,
Reggie Theas, I had the former head coach Keith Smart on.
I mean, I'm go on and on and on. They
didn't have any problem with it. It's just a joke.
But I am going back September second. I'm starting on
Fox Sports Radio Sacramento. I'm very excited about it. But
(08:11):
you asked me a question about you know, what have
I learned in the last five years? You know Zoobie music. Yeah,
well over a million followers on social media. And I
wrote this down a couple of years ago because I
thought he deals in common sense. He's like you, you know,
you guys deal in common sense. He wrote, Black lives
matter because all lives matter. White lives matter because all
(08:34):
lives matter. All lives couldn't matter if black or white
lives didn't matter or any others. Stop being dumb and
dividing over basic stuff we already agree on. Here's what
I've learned over the last five years. I've been blessed
to travel. I've been to Europe, I frequently go to Thailand,
and I've talked to a lot of people from a
lot of different cultures, different backgrounds, different countries. We're the
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only people, I think, on the planet that are even
debating this and talking about this. This is not a
topic anywhere else in the world. I don't understand why
here we are in twenty twenty five and there are
people even on my social media over the last twenty
four hours, you know, talking about, well, gee, didnity learn
you can't say all lives matter and know those are
(09:18):
very much in the minority. Those are only a few people.
But the point is there are still some people in
this country that think that all lives matter is a
racist comment. I don't get that all lives matter, every
single one doesn't have any great area to me. All
lives matter, every single one, I would think is pretty
self explanatory. But I think Zoobi summarized it perfectly. So
(09:38):
what have I learned in the last five years. I've
learned that it's really only an issue in America with
the woke culture, and if you're not politically correct, you're
going to get attacked. I mean, it's a joke. It's
an absolute joke what I've gone through. I've got great support.
I don't have any problem putting my head on the
pillow at night. I'm grateful for this opportunity to get
(10:00):
back to Sacramento Radio. But again, I don't know what
the big deal is. And you know, it's such a
shame that in America, and I don't want to go
off on a tangent here, but everything's about black and white.
Why does it have to be like that? Again, when
I travel around the world and talk to people from
different cultures, it's not like that. There in Thailand, which
I love and it's a great country. They don't care
(10:21):
what your ethnicity is, your religion, your sexual orientation. They're
just good people. They're happy people, they work. They don't
even talk about this stuff. But in America it's like
a daily conversation. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think this is an important conversation. And I want
to go back to the difference between public and private commentary.
What I try to do for better or worse, and
I screw up all the time on the show. I
can barely pronounce half the words that I try to
say on a day to day basis, especially as anybody
long term listening would recognize. Try to have fun with it.
But what I try to do is there's very little
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difference between what I would say publicly and what I
would say privately. And I think that's why people have
never really been able grant to come after me, because
that's what I've done my whole career. I'm not saying
I'm perfect, but I'm just saying there is no gap.
If I go to this Atlanta Braves game tonight, which
I'm going to do with my kids, and you see
me there, what I would say to you in person
(11:16):
is the same thing that I would say on the radio. Now,
maybe occasionally I curse at a sporting event, you know,
things like that. I have FCC restrictions here, So you know,
with that limited difference for you, what I found during
the BLM era, during COVID, during the summer of twenty twenty,
all of that, so many people said to me privately,
(11:37):
I agree one hundred percent with everything you're saying, but
I'm afraid to say it publicly. And that's how the
world becomes. What happened to you is people know it's wrong,
but they're afraid of being targeted themselves. And I imagine
you saw better than most that dichotomy between what people
would say to you privately and what might be said publicly.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Totally, you're one hundred percent correct. And here's another aspect
of what I went through five years ago. So I
was fired. I had my career literally turned upside down
in thirty six hours in the early two thousands. I
started a foundation in Sacramento call the Future Foundation. I
had an annual golf tournament. And what we did is
we took underprivileged, at need students from high schools in
the Sacramento area. All Right, they had to fit a
(12:21):
certain criteria. These were first generational college students. I mean
it was incredible my foundation that I raised the money for.
We put one hundred and four students into college and
through college, most of whom were minorities. Okay, nobody spent
five minutes and said, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait
a minute, look at what this guy's done for the community.
(12:42):
Look what he's done for the black community. I think
we had thirty eight students of color that I put
through college. It's like that didn't matter. It was just
a knee jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me.
And I agree with you about the private public thing.
I think things are differ now. I think people are
much more open about coming out and feeling confident about
(13:05):
speaking your opinion and what they believe in. But in
twenty twenty, people were paranoid. You know that, Clay. I
mean people that listen if you were white I'm just
you know this. If you were a white person in
the media, okay, you had to be walking on eggshells
to go out and say anything even remostly negative about
Black Lives matter. I mean, you would have been canceled.
(13:28):
I was canceled, right, I was canceled five years ago.
I was part of the cancel culture and everyone knows it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, I think so. Well. Look, Grant, congratulations on your
new radio show in Sacramento. Again. I know a lot
of people out there listening to us right now in
Sacramento know you well, and I am glad that you
are finally getting back to doing what you do well.
But I do think it's a lesson of how the
world lost its mind in sports and otherwise, culture, politics,
(13:58):
everywhere else. I appreciate you making the time for us,
and congrats on the new show.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, thanks for having me on. Bottom line, I'm happy,
I have no regrets. I'm all good, and I can't
wait for this next chapter. And I greatly respect you,
love your work, and thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
He's Grant Napier and you can listen to him sports
Soccer Radio in Sacramento, where he never should have been
off the air in the first place. We'll take some
reactions to that. And I do think his story is
emblematic of as we come up on the five year
anniversary of all that chaos, all the things that were
done wrong, and what is being rejected now and all
(14:33):
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show a lot
of reaction weighing into Grant Napier's story there. I think
a lot of people can see in him a story
that was completely wrong, and I think it's emblematic of
us attempting to rectify some of those wrongs from five
years ago. That he is coming back on the air,
(16:05):
and I wish him well in Sacramento. I got a
big theory for you on culture that I'm going to
hit you with at the top of the bottom of
this next hour. But in the meantime, I never would
have expected to get a call like this, but lou
and Louisiana has called in. He's a geologist and he
wants to talk about tall mountains. LOUI what you got, hey,
(16:27):
Clake appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, I am a geologist and I wanted to let
Colorado gud know that during the Paleozoic era, the Rocky
Mountains are about twelve thousand feet, but in the Paleozoic era,
the Smoky Mountains were as high as the Alps, which
are over twenty thousand feet, which basically dwarf his Colorado Rockies,
just so he'll.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Know, Oh wow, this is mountain trash talk. So the
Smoky Mountains would have been what twenty thousand some odds,
So they're just older and they've been like worn down.
Is that what's happened?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Precisely, They were over twenty thousand feet. They were high
as the Alps are currently. So maybe the Colorado Rockies
have a ways to go. But I think they're pretty
much spent in terms of height. But we'll see about that.
I mean, if you can hang out another four hundred
million years, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But anyway, thank you for the call. Loo. That is
a shot. Thank you for the call that is shots
fired back at Colorado. Oh yeah, your mountains are fine now,
but only because the Smoky Mountains were so much more
spectacular than yours that they have endured for so long
that they have lost fourteen thousand square feet or height elevation.
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It's like the tallest man in the world, except now
he's got arthritis and you're picking on him. Colorado. Frankly,
maybe you should be canceled for all the Colorado trash talk.
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Welcome back, in Clay, Travis, buck Sexton, j Joe, all Right,
Grant and Napier if you missed that right at the
top of the hour here in hour two Friday edition.
(19:08):
I do think it is really indicative. I want to
have a big conversation about this because I do think
that much of the ills that have been created in
this country are slowly being eradicated, and I think a
lot of it is directly connected to social media. And
I've been thinking a lot about this because culture and
(19:31):
I understand, by the way, in the third hour we're
going to talk about Hollywood movie some and I understand.
Let me give you a couple of updates, because everything
is basically a court decision that happens every single day.
Have you noticed that almost every bit of opposition for
Trump is now court related, So it feels like every
day we have a different Department of Justice update, we
(19:52):
have a different Circuit court update, district court update. I
never would have believed when I went to law school
twenty some odd years that I would end up doing
what I do today and that so much of everything
would boil down to what judges are saying on a
day to day basis. But I do want to mention
this because it is a significant court ruling and it's
(20:16):
in favor of Trump, as most of these rulings frankly
have been. And so let me give this to you straight.
This happened in the last hour and a half or so.
I mentioned already that Pam Bondi has authorized Special Prosecutor
Ed Martin to look into Senator Adam Schiff of California
and Letitia James relating to mortgage fraud. This is I'm
(20:40):
reading directly from Bill Malugin at Fox News. A federal
appeals court has reversed federal Judge James Boseberg's ruling of
probable cause to hold the Trump administration in contempt of
court over the deportation of Venezuelan illegal aliens to l
Salvador Via the Alien Enemies Act. Legal win for Trump administration,
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and that is very detailed packed with legalies there. But
basically what it means is the president can put illegal
immigrants on airplanes, especially if they have violent records, and
send them out of the country. And individual judges don't
have the power to decide, hey, turn that plane around.
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You don't have executive authority to do that. So this
is the DC Circuit. This was one judge Boseburg, who
is basically decided that he is the Trump opposition, the
chief of the Trump opposition in judicial robes, sitting not
the full DC Circuit, but a three judge panel has
(21:52):
overturned that decision two to one. So from here and again,
I never would have believed that this is but I
would go to law school and end up doing because
I didn't think really that the courts would essentially become
our news stories on a day to day basis. From
here there is either a full appeal to the entire
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DC Circuit, all of them. There are a bunch of
judges there, or this would then go on to the
Supreme Court if it were in some way appealed, and
we would find out whether or not it is able
to that that ruling is able to stand. I'm here
to tell you it is not an individual federal district
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court judge, as we told you when this happened, does
not have the power to say to the President of
the United States, turn that plane around and bring it
back to the country. That is crazy. The fact that
he attempted to do it is crazy. It is not
dissimilar to what happened in the Ninth Circuit when you
(22:56):
had I believe it was Judge Brier, a federal district
court judge there try to say Trump didn't have the
ability to call in the Guard to help with all
of the protests that were going on against Ice. If
the president can't call in State and National Guard, and
if he doesn't have the power when he sees issues
(23:16):
arising to put them down, then there is no supremacy clause.
And we told you this at the time. Individual state
governors cannot overrule the president of the United States when
it comes to issues relating to the National Guard or
to the State Guard. So anyway, all of that has
continued to be a battle. Trump is in the right.
(23:39):
All of the resistance two point zero is not coming
by and large from the Democrat Party. It's not coming
from organized mass protests. There's been virtually none. There is
not the energy this term to be doing that, even
with likely money being spent by Trump's adversaries. So it's
basically federal District court judge is who have decided we
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don't like some of the decisions that Trump is making
and we are going to oppose them. So that happened
today Boseburg in DC being shot down by the three
judge panel that considered the ruling that he attempted to
put in place that would have limited President Trump's power. Okay,
now you just heard from Grant Napier, who was fired.
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He said he spent thirty two years as the voice
of the Sacramento Kings, twenty six years doing sports, and
he lost his job for tweeting all lives matter, every
single one. Five years later, credit to Fox Sports Radio Sacramento,
he is being given back his ability to talk about
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sports on the radio. But I don't know if there
is a better story out there than Grant Napier's to
illustrate just how the country went and how crazy sports went.
I did a story, and I was one of the
few people who would actually speak out in favor of Grant,
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because Bucket likes to joke about this sometimes. But when
you attack me, I double or triple or quadruple down.
I don't tiptoe up. I don't step back and say, hey,
I'm sorry, I was wrong here. I knew in real time,
as most people did. Firing somebody for tweeting all lives matter,
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every single one is indefensible. It is indisputably true, and
it is not racist, and it is not worthy of
someone losing their job, a job that they had done
well for thirty two years and twenty six years, most
people knew that most people were cowards. And this is
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how Buck and I because Buck was similar in that
he didn't back down surrounding COVID. He didn't back down
surrounding BLM, and neither did I. And what has often
disappointed me. And I'm glad that we're in the payback
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stage where so many people who made so many awful
decisions are now being rejected, being held accountable. But I'm
still very troubled that all of that happened, because what
it told me about human nature is cowardice is far
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more common than bravery. And what it told me was
a lot of people will shut their mouths if they
think anything negative might happen to them, even if they
know what's going on is wrong. And I, back in
those days, would regularly come on my show and I
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would call out rich people because I got so angry.
I understand. I don't think it's fair, I don't think
it's right. It makes me sick to my stomach, but
I understood in twenty twenty if you had a job,
you were trying to get your kid into college, you
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had a mortgage to pay, and you just said, I
can't afford to lose this job. I understand why a
lot of those people were afraid to speak out because
they had no power. And that's why really, starting about
twenty twenty, when I would see people out in public,
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and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck
in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, what people would come
up and say to me was you say what I
wish I could say? Thank you? And as a guy
who did sports, I never had heard that before because
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it's sports, right, Like, who cares? I love it. But
if I say that your team's gonna win the Super
Bowl or lose the Super Bowl, or win the National Championship,
or not win the National Championship or bad that was
a bad call. I love it, But it's the toy
chest of life. Unless you're on the team, own the team,
or are in some way directly compensated by the team,
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whoever wins a championship doesn't probably change your life that much.
But in twenty twenty, during COVID, during BLM when they
tried to put President Trump in prison for the rest
of his life. That stuff really does matter. And so
I understood if you were out there and you were struggling,
(28:55):
and you just wanted to pay your mortgage, and you
just wanted to get your kids into school, and you
would get on social media and you would think, man,
I really want to say something. I bet a lot
of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot
of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram, or maybe
even an email that you were thinking about sending inside
of your company, and then you hit delete because you said,
(29:18):
I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary
job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion,
is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary.
So I understood why those people, why many of y'all
out there, I have been in this world before. I
(29:40):
understood why a lot of people hit the lete. The
people that I still have a lot of contempt for
are the people who were filthy rich said they agreed
with everything that I said and then never spoke out
Because I got to be honest with y'all. If you
have fu money, if you have money where you're never
(30:04):
gonna have to worry about paying a mortgage. You got
a second home, you got a third home, you got
fancy cars, you got kids that you can stroke a
check for to go to any college in the country.
Your coward has made me sick, and I saw it everywhere.
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People who run companies, people who never had to worry
about anything financially for the rest of their life, they
turned tail. They to me, were the biggest cowards because
they were the kind of people who said fire fire,
Grant Napier for saying all lives matter, every single one.
(30:50):
And frankly, I'm never going to forgive those people because
a lot of them now they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay,
well get a tax cut, boy. I'm glad Trump won.
Where were you when it mattered? I think about this
(31:10):
all the time. Where were you when there were consequences,
when there were cost when somebody might not have set
you on whatever flipping charity board you're on. Where were you?
You were a yellow bellied coward. You let situations like
(31:31):
Grant Napier happen everywhere, and you didn't do a damn thing.
So money is only useful in the context of what
it allows you to do that you otherwise wouldn't be
able to do. There's a great line. This is why
when everybody drafts new quarterbacks, what they care about so
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much is how much do you love what you do?
Because as soon as you get that fifty million dollar check,
there's pretty girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations.
If you don't love what you're doing, money will make
you more of what you already are. If you are
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a die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding,
and I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company,
you sign a fifty million dollar deal, you do the
same thing you were doing before you got the money.
But if you're the kind of person who looks around
worries all the time about what people are gonna say
about you, you become even more of a coward the
(32:44):
more money you get. And there are so many of
those people out there, and I think about them. The
Grant Napier story is a good one. Most of us
are never gonna have billions of dollars. We're not gonna
own radio stations. We're not going to own companies that
when they come to you with an employee sending a
(33:05):
tweet it's your decision what to do. But a lot
of people had that, And now that Trump's in office,
they're waving the pom poms and they're running around and
they're cheering. I don't care who wants to celebrate after
a victory. I want to know who's going to be
(33:25):
there when you get your ass kicked, because that's character,
that's courage and Grant Apier story. Oh, there's an awful
lot of people who will send you a text or
make a phone call and say, boy, I feel really
bad for you. Yeah, that'll be you know, would be great.
As if you would say that public, well I can't
do that, Well, they might be mad at me. Then
(33:51):
so many people who knew better, and so many people
who had the resources to have nobody ever actually be
able to do anything to them. They were nowhere to
be found when it mattered most. And now guess what,
you look up and some of those people are some
of the biggest cheerleaders because Trump's back in office. Now,
(34:12):
just remember it, and remember how quickly those front runners
will fade as soon as somebody else is in power,
and as soon as somebody else makes them a little
bit uncomfortable. And requires any element of courage to speak
out against what they believe is wrong. Just think about it.
We're gonna keep talking about this. We got a great
(34:33):
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third hour, talk about the cultural impact, and I'm going
to dive in and even kind of talk about this
a bit more. But in the meantime, people with testosterone,
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We welcome back in hour number two Glad Tierravis buck
Sexton Show. I'm laughing as I come back out of break.
You guys know, I started off in the world of sports,
and the colleges are all returning to campus, and during
the commercial break, I'm scrolling through checking to see what
all the latest news is. And I don't know how
(00:23):
many of you have seen these kind of stories. I
bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of
recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the
sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One
of our writers at OutKick, Joe Kinsey, who does fabulous
work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the
(00:47):
SEC sororities. It got eleven million views on Twitter, and
these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking
because I just shared the video that he shared on
social media, and I'm kind of partly kidding about this,
but it's going to be harder in the future to
get into SEC schools than it is to get into
(01:09):
Ivy League schools because I tweeted about this and I'm
about to bring in Grant Napier and I want to
get his story because I think it all kind of
ties in with the cultural shift that we're seeing. When
I was a kid, you basically had to have a
pulse to get into an SEC school. I graduated high
school in nineteen ninety seven, and I could have gotten
(01:32):
into the University of Tennessee maybe as a dead man.
They probably would have admitted me if I could have
paid the tuition. Right now, the University of Tennessee has
a thirty eight percent at mid rate Ole Miss and
people in Mississippi are going to kind of know when
you had a kid that was a troublemaker and couldn't
get into any other school, you were like, all right,
(01:54):
I guess we'll send him to Ole Miss. It's hard
to get into Ole Miss. Now, kids in LA and
Chicago and New York City are cutting each other in
their admissions counselor offices to try to get an invite
to Starkville, Mississippi. I've never seen anything like this. Every
southern big school that plays football, every Q girl wants
(02:18):
to go there, and every guy who likes Q girls
wants to go there too. And there's a lot of
those people all over the country. But anyway, let's bring
in Grant Napier. I do think it's emblematic of the
cultural shift that we are seeing across the country. But
I want to go back in time, way way back
in time to five years ago, in the summer of
twenty twenty, Grant Napier with us now and Grant, I
(02:39):
just want you to tell this audience your story because
we talked about it back in the day when I
was doing my sports talk radio show, and everybody kind
of turned their backs on you. But tell me just
kind of take for this audience, tell them what was
going on with you in the summer of twenty twenty
and what happen up to you. I'm just going to
(03:01):
give you the floor.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
On May thirty first of twenty twenty, I was sitting
in my living room watching TV and I got a
phone call from the head coach now of the Sacramento Kings,
Doug Christy, who is my co host on my radio show,
and he said, Napes, did you see de Marcus Cousin's tweet?
I said, no, I don't follow him. As a matter
(03:24):
of fact, I muted him, and he said you should.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So I did, and it was at Grant ne Peer's show,
what do you think of BLM? And I said something like, hey,
I haven't heard from you in years. I thought you
forgot about me. And I responded with six words all
lives matter, every single one in capital letters with three
exclamation points. Well, all of a sudden, I'm getting a
(03:52):
lot of calls and messages. Oh wow, I can't believe
you said that. Well that was Sunday night at about
six Tuesday afternoon. By two forty I had been fired
by a radio station that I was at for twenty
six years, same time slot for twenty six years, highly
(04:13):
rated show, and then I resigned as the thirty two
year TV voice of the Sacramento Kings on that same day.
That was five years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This is I mean, I think it's important to remind
people of what was going on. So I want to
follow this back up. You tweeted in response to an
NBA player tweeting to you about black lives matter. All
lives matter, every single one, and you lost your radio
jobs sports talk radio job of twenty six years, and
(04:44):
your thirty two year Sacramento Kings television announcing job was
gone as well. Okay, that is I mean, it is
really very staggering. What was the response, both publicly and
privately to all that happening to you in the early
summer of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Probably people were outraged. They were blown away. I had
some of the biggest names in the sportscasting industry reach
out to me talking about how they couldn't believe it,
and then they were telling me that geez, they're going
to be nervous about saying something that maybe they shouldn't
or it's going to be misconstrued. But what was amazing
(05:25):
is every single one of them said, I would love
to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They
were too afraid. That was what it was like. People
were too afraid to speak out and come to my
defense publicly. I had a lot of support, but unfortunately
this was one week after the murder of George Floyd.
You know what's crazy about this Clay leading up to
(05:47):
that May thirty first, May twenty fifth was when George
Floyd was murdered. I mean, I had a lot of
positive tweets about what was going on, supporting everything that
was going on. Nobody spent five minutes to go back
and look at those tweets. It was like Oh wait
a minute, we have to fire Grant Napier. We have
(06:08):
to show black lives matter, don't come after us. Oh no,
we fired a guy that set all lives matter. They panicked.
I mean, think about that. Clay a thirty two year career,
a twenty six year career. I didn't have one thing
in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonnaville International.
And here's something else that's interesting. If you go to
Bonneville International right now, if you google Bonnaville International leadership
(06:31):
and you look at their leadership, every single person is
either a white male or a white female. No people
of color, no minorities. It's a freaking joke. It's an
absolute joke. And I was the scapegoat. I was the
sacrifice of LAMB to tell black lives matter, Hey, don't
come after us. We just fired a guy that set
all lives matter. Who's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I remember covering it, and I believe we had you
on and we talked about the fact that this was ridiculous.
There was almost nobody else that would say it. Why
what lessons? Sitting here five years later, do you think
the country needs to take and to learn what would
you hope. By the way, before we get into the lessons,
(07:10):
let's go to the reason. I was very excited to
see this. You now are coming back on the air.
Sacramento is one of the biggest audiences this show has,
so we appreciate everybody listening to us in California. You
are going to be back on the air after five
years doing sports talk radio in Sacramento. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened
over the last couple of months. If you would ask
me a year ago if I thought I'd be back
on Sacramento Radio, I would have said, no way. I've
been doing a podcast. I started doing a podcast in
October of twenty twenties, just a couple of months after
I was fired. And isn't it just crazy? My first
guest on my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a
(07:50):
problem with me saying all lives matter. I had Dusty
Baker on. I've had a lot of former Kings on Spudweb,
Reggie Theas, I had the former head coach Keith Smart on.
I mean, I'm go on and on and on. They
didn't have any problem with it. It's just a joke.
But I am going back September second. I'm starting on
Fox Sports Radio Sacramento. I'm very excited about it. But
(08:11):
you asked me a question about you know, what have
I learned in the last five years? You know Zoobie music. Yeah,
well over a million followers on social media. And I
wrote this down a couple of years ago because I
thought he deals in common sense. He's like you, you know,
you guys deal in common sense. He wrote, Black lives
matter because all lives matter. White lives matter because all
(08:34):
lives matter. All lives couldn't matter if black or white
lives didn't matter or any others. Stop being dumb and
dividing over basic stuff we already agree on. Here's what
I've learned over the last five years. I've been blessed
to travel. I've been to Europe, I frequently go to Thailand,
and I've talked to a lot of people from a
lot of different cultures, different backgrounds, different countries. We're the
(08:57):
only people, I think, on the planet that are even
debating this and talking about this. This is not a
topic anywhere else in the world. I don't understand why
here we are in twenty twenty five and there are
people even on my social media over the last twenty
four hours, you know, talking about, well, gee, didnity learn
you can't say all lives matter and know those are
(09:18):
very much in the minority. Those are only a few people.
But the point is there are still some people in
this country that think that all lives matter is a
racist comment. I don't get that all lives matter, every
single one doesn't have any great area to me. All
lives matter, every single one, I would think is pretty
self explanatory. But I think Zoobi summarized it perfectly. So
(09:38):
what have I learned in the last five years. I've
learned that it's really only an issue in America with
the woke culture, and if you're not politically correct, you're
going to get attacked. I mean, it's a joke. It's
an absolute joke what I've gone through. I've got great support.
I don't have any problem putting my head on the
pillow at night. I'm grateful for this opportunity to get
(10:00):
back to Sacramento Radio. But again, I don't know what
the big deal is. And you know, it's such a
shame that in America, and I don't want to go
off on a tangent here, but everything's about black and white.
Why does it have to be like that? Again, when
I travel around the world and talk to people from
different cultures, it's not like that. There in Thailand, which
I love and it's a great country. They don't care
(10:21):
what your ethnicity is, your religion, your sexual orientation. They're
just good people. They're happy people, they work. They don't
even talk about this stuff. But in America it's like
a daily conversation. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think this is an important conversation. And I want
to go back to the difference between public and private commentary.
What I try to do for better or worse, and
I screw up all the time on the show. I
can barely pronounce half the words that I try to
say on a day to day basis, especially as anybody
long term listening would recognize. Try to have fun with it.
But what I try to do is there's very little
(10:55):
difference between what I would say publicly and what I
would say privately. And I think that's why people have
never really been able grant to come after me, because
that's what I've done my whole career. I'm not saying
I'm perfect, but I'm just saying there is no gap.
If I go to this Atlanta Braves game tonight, which
I'm going to do with my kids, and you see
me there, what I would say to you in person
(11:16):
is the same thing that I would say on the radio. Now,
maybe occasionally I curse at a sporting event, you know,
things like that. I have FCC restrictions here, So you know,
with that limited difference for you, what I found during
the BLM era, during COVID, during the summer of twenty twenty,
all of that, so many people said to me privately,
(11:37):
I agree one hundred percent with everything you're saying, but
I'm afraid to say it publicly. And that's how the
world becomes. What happened to you is people know it's wrong,
but they're afraid of being targeted themselves. And I imagine
you saw better than most that dichotomy between what people
would say to you privately and what might be said publicly.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Totally, you're one hundred percent correct. And here's another aspect
of what I went through five years ago. So I
was fired. I had my career literally turned upside down
in thirty six hours in the early two thousands. I
started a foundation in Sacramento call the Future Foundation. I
had an annual golf tournament. And what we did is
we took underprivileged, at need students from high schools in
the Sacramento area. All Right, they had to fit a
(12:21):
certain criteria. These were first generational college students. I mean
it was incredible my foundation that I raised the money for.
We put one hundred and four students into college and
through college, most of whom were minorities. Okay, nobody spent
five minutes and said, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait
a minute, look at what this guy's done for the community.
(12:42):
Look what he's done for the black community. I think
we had thirty eight students of color that I put
through college. It's like that didn't matter. It was just
a knee jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me.
And I agree with you about the private public thing.
I think things are differ now. I think people are
much more open about coming out and feeling confident about
(13:05):
speaking your opinion and what they believe in. But in
twenty twenty, people were paranoid. You know that, Clay. I
mean people that listen if you were white I'm just
you know this. If you were a white person in
the media, okay, you had to be walking on eggshells
to go out and say anything even remostly negative about
Black Lives matter. I mean, you would have been canceled.
(13:28):
I was canceled, right, I was canceled five years ago.
I was part of the cancel culture and everyone knows it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, I think so. Well. Look, Grant, congratulations on your
new radio show in Sacramento. Again. I know a lot
of people out there listening to us right now in
Sacramento know you well, and I am glad that you
are finally getting back to doing what you do well.
But I do think it's a lesson of how the
world lost its mind in sports and otherwise, culture, politics,
(13:58):
everywhere else. I appreciate you making the time for us,
and congrats on the new show.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, thanks for having me on. Bottom line, I'm happy,
I have no regrets. I'm all good, and I can't
wait for this next chapter. And I greatly respect you,
love your work, and thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
He's Grant Napier and you can listen to him sports
Soccer Radio in Sacramento, where he never should have been
off the air in the first place. We'll take some
reactions to that. And I do think his story is
emblematic of as we come up on the five year
anniversary of all that chaos, all the things that were
done wrong, and what is being rejected now and all
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show a lot
of reaction weighing into Grant Napier's story there. I think
a lot of people can see in him a story
that was completely wrong, and I think it's emblematic of
us attempting to rectify some of those wrongs from five
years ago. That he is coming back on the air,
(16:05):
and I wish him well in Sacramento. I got a
big theory for you on culture that I'm going to
hit you with at the top of the bottom of
this next hour. But in the meantime, I never would
have expected to get a call like this, but lou
and Louisiana has called in. He's a geologist and he
wants to talk about tall mountains. LOUI what you got, hey,
(16:27):
Clake appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, I am a geologist and I wanted to let
Colorado gud know that during the Paleozoic era, the Rocky
Mountains are about twelve thousand feet, but in the Paleozoic era,
the Smoky Mountains were as high as the Alps, which
are over twenty thousand feet, which basically dwarf his Colorado Rockies,
just so he'll.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Know, Oh wow, this is mountain trash talk. So the
Smoky Mountains would have been what twenty thousand some odds,
So they're just older and they've been like worn down.
Is that what's happened?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Precisely, They were over twenty thousand feet. They were high
as the Alps are currently. So maybe the Colorado Rockies
have a ways to go. But I think they're pretty
much spent in terms of height. But we'll see about that.
I mean, if you can hang out another four hundred
million years, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But anyway, thank you for the call. Loo. That is
a shot. Thank you for the call that is shots
fired back at Colorado. Oh yeah, your mountains are fine now,
but only because the Smoky Mountains were so much more
spectacular than yours that they have endured for so long
that they have lost fourteen thousand square feet or height elevation.
(17:38):
It's like the tallest man in the world, except now
he's got arthritis and you're picking on him. Colorado. Frankly,
maybe you should be canceled for all the Colorado trash talk.
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Grant and Napier if you missed that right at the
top of the hour here in hour two Friday edition.
(19:08):
I do think it is really indicative. I want to
have a big conversation about this because I do think
that much of the ills that have been created in
this country are slowly being eradicated, and I think a
lot of it is directly connected to social media. And
I've been thinking a lot about this because culture and
(19:31):
I understand, by the way, in the third hour we're
going to talk about Hollywood movie some and I understand.
Let me give you a couple of updates, because everything
is basically a court decision that happens every single day.
Have you noticed that almost every bit of opposition for
Trump is now court related, So it feels like every
day we have a different Department of Justice update, we
(19:52):
have a different Circuit court update, district court update. I
never would have believed when I went to law school
twenty some odd years that I would end up doing
what I do today and that so much of everything
would boil down to what judges are saying on a
day to day basis. But I do want to mention
this because it is a significant court ruling and it's
(20:16):
in favor of Trump, as most of these rulings frankly
have been. And so let me give this to you straight.
This happened in the last hour and a half or so.
I mentioned already that Pam Bondi has authorized Special Prosecutor
Ed Martin to look into Senator Adam Schiff of California
and Letitia James relating to mortgage fraud. This is I'm
(20:40):
reading directly from Bill Malugin at Fox News. A federal
appeals court has reversed federal Judge James Boseberg's ruling of
probable cause to hold the Trump administration in contempt of
court over the deportation of Venezuelan illegal aliens to l
Salvador Via the Alien Enemies Act. Legal win for Trump administration,
(21:04):
and that is very detailed packed with legalies there. But
basically what it means is the president can put illegal
immigrants on airplanes, especially if they have violent records, and
send them out of the country. And individual judges don't
have the power to decide, hey, turn that plane around.
(21:29):
You don't have executive authority to do that. So this
is the DC Circuit. This was one judge Boseburg, who
is basically decided that he is the Trump opposition, the
chief of the Trump opposition in judicial robes, sitting not
the full DC Circuit, but a three judge panel has
(21:52):
overturned that decision two to one. So from here and again,
I never would have believed that this is but I
would go to law school and end up doing because
I didn't think really that the courts would essentially become
our news stories on a day to day basis. From
here there is either a full appeal to the entire
(22:15):
DC Circuit, all of them. There are a bunch of
judges there, or this would then go on to the
Supreme Court if it were in some way appealed, and
we would find out whether or not it is able
to that that ruling is able to stand. I'm here
to tell you it is not an individual federal district
(22:35):
court judge, as we told you when this happened, does
not have the power to say to the President of
the United States, turn that plane around and bring it
back to the country. That is crazy. The fact that
he attempted to do it is crazy. It is not
dissimilar to what happened in the Ninth Circuit when you
(22:56):
had I believe it was Judge Brier, a federal district
court judge there try to say Trump didn't have the
ability to call in the Guard to help with all
of the protests that were going on against Ice. If
the president can't call in State and National Guard, and
if he doesn't have the power when he sees issues
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arising to put them down, then there is no supremacy clause.
And we told you this at the time. Individual state
governors cannot overrule the president of the United States when
it comes to issues relating to the National Guard or
to the State Guard. So anyway, all of that has
continued to be a battle. Trump is in the right.
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All of the resistance two point zero is not coming
by and large from the Democrat Party. It's not coming
from organized mass protests. There's been virtually none. There is
not the energy this term to be doing that, even
with likely money being spent by Trump's adversaries. So it's
basically federal District court judge is who have decided we
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don't like some of the decisions that Trump is making
and we are going to oppose them. So that happened
today Boseburg in DC being shot down by the three
judge panel that considered the ruling that he attempted to
put in place that would have limited President Trump's power. Okay,
now you just heard from Grant Napier, who was fired.
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He said he spent thirty two years as the voice
of the Sacramento Kings, twenty six years doing sports, and
he lost his job for tweeting all lives matter, every
single one. Five years later, credit to Fox Sports Radio Sacramento,
he is being given back his ability to talk about
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sports on the radio. But I don't know if there
is a better story out there than Grant Napier's to
illustrate just how the country went and how crazy sports went.
I did a story, and I was one of the
few people who would actually speak out in favor of Grant,
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because Bucket likes to joke about this sometimes. But when
you attack me, I double or triple or quadruple down.
I don't tiptoe up. I don't step back and say, hey,
I'm sorry, I was wrong here. I knew in real time,
as most people did. Firing somebody for tweeting all lives matter,
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every single one is indefensible. It is indisputably true, and
it is not racist, and it is not worthy of
someone losing their job, a job that they had done
well for thirty two years and twenty six years, most
people knew that most people were cowards. And this is
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how Buck and I because Buck was similar in that
he didn't back down surrounding COVID. He didn't back down
surrounding BLM, and neither did I. And what has often
disappointed me. And I'm glad that we're in the payback
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stage where so many people who made so many awful
decisions are now being rejected, being held accountable. But I'm
still very troubled that all of that happened, because what
it told me about human nature is cowardice is far
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more common than bravery. And what it told me was
a lot of people will shut their mouths if they
think anything negative might happen to them, even if they
know what's going on is wrong. And I, back in
those days, would regularly come on my show and I
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would call out rich people because I got so angry.
I understand. I don't think it's fair, I don't think
it's right. It makes me sick to my stomach, but
I understood in twenty twenty if you had a job,
you were trying to get your kid into college, you
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had a mortgage to pay, and you just said, I
can't afford to lose this job. I understand why a
lot of those people were afraid to speak out because
they had no power. And that's why really, starting about
twenty twenty, when I would see people out in public,
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and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck
in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, what people would come
up and say to me was you say what I
wish I could say? Thank you? And as a guy
who did sports, I never had heard that before because
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it's sports, right, Like, who cares? I love it. But
if I say that your team's gonna win the Super
Bowl or lose the Super Bowl, or win the National Championship,
or not win the National Championship or bad that was
a bad call. I love it, But it's the toy
chest of life. Unless you're on the team, own the team,
or are in some way directly compensated by the team,
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whoever wins a championship doesn't probably change your life that much.
But in twenty twenty, during COVID, during BLM when they
tried to put President Trump in prison for the rest
of his life. That stuff really does matter. And so
I understood if you were out there and you were struggling,
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and you just wanted to pay your mortgage, and you
just wanted to get your kids into school, and you
would get on social media and you would think, man,
I really want to say something. I bet a lot
of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot
of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram, or maybe
even an email that you were thinking about sending inside
of your company, and then you hit delete because you said,
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I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary
job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion,
is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary.
So I understood why those people, why many of y'all
out there, I have been in this world before. I
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understood why a lot of people hit the lete. The
people that I still have a lot of contempt for
are the people who were filthy rich said they agreed
with everything that I said and then never spoke out
Because I got to be honest with y'all. If you
have fu money, if you have money where you're never
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gonna have to worry about paying a mortgage. You got
a second home, you got a third home, you got
fancy cars, you got kids that you can stroke a
check for to go to any college in the country.
Your coward has made me sick, and I saw it everywhere.
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People who run companies, people who never had to worry
about anything financially for the rest of their life, they
turned tail. They to me, were the biggest cowards because
they were the kind of people who said fire fire,
Grant Napier for saying all lives matter, every single one.
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And frankly, I'm never going to forgive those people because
a lot of them now they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay,
well get a tax cut, boy. I'm glad Trump won.
Where were you when it mattered? I think about this
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all the time. Where were you when there were consequences,
when there were cost when somebody might not have set
you on whatever flipping charity board you're on. Where were you?
You were a yellow bellied coward. You let situations like
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Grant Napier happen everywhere, and you didn't do a damn thing.
So money is only useful in the context of what
it allows you to do that you otherwise wouldn't be
able to do. There's a great line. This is why
when everybody drafts new quarterbacks, what they care about so
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much is how much do you love what you do?
Because as soon as you get that fifty million dollar check,
there's pretty girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations.
If you don't love what you're doing, money will make
you more of what you already are. If you are
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a die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding,
and I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company,
you sign a fifty million dollar deal, you do the
same thing you were doing before you got the money.
But if you're the kind of person who looks around
worries all the time about what people are gonna say
about you, you become even more of a coward the
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more money you get. And there are so many of
those people out there, and I think about them. The
Grant Napier story is a good one. Most of us
are never gonna have billions of dollars. We're not gonna
own radio stations. We're not going to own companies that
when they come to you with an employee sending a
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tweet it's your decision what to do. But a lot
of people had that, And now that Trump's in office,
they're waving the pom poms and they're running around and
they're cheering. I don't care who wants to celebrate after
a victory. I want to know who's going to be
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there when you get your ass kicked, because that's character,
that's courage and Grant Apier story. Oh, there's an awful
lot of people who will send you a text or
make a phone call and say, boy, I feel really
bad for you. Yeah, that'll be you know, would be great.
As if you would say that public, well I can't
do that, Well, they might be mad at me. Then
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so many people who knew better, and so many people
who had the resources to have nobody ever actually be
able to do anything to them. They were nowhere to
be found when it mattered most. And now guess what,
you look up and some of those people are some
of the biggest cheerleaders because Trump's back in office. Now,
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just remember it, and remember how quickly those front runners
will fade as soon as somebody else is in power,
and as soon as somebody else makes them a little
bit uncomfortable. And requires any element of courage to speak
out against what they believe is wrong. Just think about it.
We're gonna keep talking about this. We got a great
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guess cap by the way, coming your way in the
third hour, talk about the cultural impact, and I'm going
to dive in and even kind of talk about this
a bit more. But in the meantime, people with testosterone,
they tend to have a little bit more backbone. I
bet a lot of the people out there that were
cowards during COVID, cowards during BLM. I bet if you
tested their testosterone it was low. They were willing to
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