December 30, 2024 • 33 mins
Brett Winterble fills in for Clay & Buck. American Sniper Author Scott McEwen joins Brett to reflect on the 10 year anniversary of the movie. The weaponization of government. Brett takes calls on Jimmy Carter, the Biden administration and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's heard on News Talk eleven and ninety nine point
three WBT and Charlotte, North Carolina. Please welcome Brett Winterble
filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And it is great to be here with this incredible audience.
Smart audience, clever audience, a great audience all the way around.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm not sucking up.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm not trust me, I'm an early adopter in that regard.
It is great to be with you. We are expecting
to be visited by our good friend Scott McEwan. The
American Sniper movie is ten years old, and we got
all sorts of stuff we're going to talk about with
Scott because he is a guy who pays very close
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attention to the trends and the things that are out
there in terms of the dangers, right and the scary
stuff that's out there. Plus at the same time, he's
also he's got a bunch of novels that he's done,
including some great stuff for young people as well. You know,
it's difficut called sometimes too to try to find something
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that's gonna help build character and that sort of stuff. Uh,
that's it's always such a big, big deal when you
get folks who who enjoy certain things, uh, specifically about
the about the military and how the military affects the
lives and the freedoms for us. And that's one thing
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I'm looking forward to with President Trump coming back into office,
because I do believe he has a great deal of
respect and love for those men and women who risk
everything with with almost noah plom and that is that
is something that is such an important point. These are
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not people who necessarily come from means, though some may.
These are people who have a heart for service in
some of the most dangerous places around around the world.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And I want to welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Let's, uh, let's check in with my good friend Scott McEwan,
author of so many great books, but most importantly American Sniper.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Hey, Scott, how are you well.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I'm good, Brett, Thank you, Thanks you for having me on.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you on the program.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Here.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Look, when when you were writing this, this book, uh,
and you were working with Chris Kyle and the movie
that would that would come Beyond, did you ever expect
that this would be as big a story as it
has been.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
No way you could expect that, especially in the circumstances
that you know that this book was written and how
Chris and I started the project. Basically, he and I
were friends and drinking buddies, and you know, I've heard
all the stories from him and his seal team buddies
that I would go out with on occasion, and I
thought to myself, this is really this generation's band of brothers.
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This is you know, this warfighter generation, you know, digging
back to World War Two and epic scenes like that,
and I thought, this story has to be told. But
none of us had any idea that it was going
to be as big as it was, or that the
you know, the movie and everything afterwards would happen.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know, you've you've done a number of of of
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Nonfiction books right Eyes on Target, American Commander. You have
a great feel for these people who then are willing
to sacrifice literally everything in very dangerous places, and you've
written amazing stuff like like like your novels and the
the stuff for the young kids as well. How does
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that continue to drive you because you know, we went
through about four dark years here with the president that
didn't seem to have a rudder for this country. How
do you kind of shake through that when you've seen greatness,
do you expect it again?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
You know, I think the analogy can be drawn, and
I was just thinking of that before I came in
the show between American Sniper and say, for example, the
re election of Donald Trump. And the reason I say
that is this, there's a group of people in this
country that love this country, period, no matter what, and
they're not going to stand for the country being run down,
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the country being denigrated. All the things that we've seen
over this last four years I think really personally affected people,
and it certainly affected me. And there's a group of
people out there that love stories like American Sniper and
Chris's story because at the end of the day, he
was a patriot. He just loved this country and he
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wanted to give his life and ultimately did get his
life for this country, as well as many of his
comrades you know, that were at war with him, not
just the Seals, all the people men and women that
fought for this country, you know, during the Sandbox Wars.
I like to call him, and you know, they're the
same people, and I think it's the same group of
people that love stories like American Sniper and love to
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see somebody like Trump, who you know, who may have
his flaws like we all do, sure, but we still
know that he backs his country before anything else. And
that's the same story as Chris Kyle.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And and so let me ask you this question, and
you could take it in any direction you want.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know a lot of special operators.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You've you've spent time at you know, hundreds thousands of
hours with these folks when you're around them. And the
question that I would ask you is this, are these
fundamentally special people or are these people that are just
a regular person doing an incredible thing? How do you
kind of ascribe that mission to them?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Scott.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
The way I'd like to describe it is all of
us have the ability maybe to do the things that
these these men and women do with a special Operations community,
it's it's a limited group maybe that can do that physically,
but mentally. These people have devoted themselves to this country
and to their cause, and they just tap into that
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thirty percent more in the gas tank that all of
us have. But they know how to tap into that
thirty percent more Because when you think you're done, you're
not done. There's thirty percent more you can call upon
and that's what they do. They push it to the limit.
They trust their comrades, they know what it is to
be a team, and they know what it is to
be from a great organization. And I think that's very
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true of most of America, that people really do love
this country, and when we're tected, we can be pushed
that extra thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So what do you expect looking forward in this next administration.
I've had conversations with people who say, you know, I
don't want my kids going in under Joe Biden. You know,
we watched what happened in Afghanistan, et cetera. Do you
think there will be a revival of patriotism and people
wanting to get into the ranks or is DEI still
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sort of.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Kind of a sticking point? Wait? How do you assess
the future here? Scott?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I think there's been a sea change, And you know, Brett,
I put it from that from my own personal experience,
and you know, I've seen it with both people being
willing to speak out and and let's just say, question
these attitudes, these DEI beliefs, things of that nature. But
also from a personal level, you know, I'm not liberty
to disclose the studio that is going to do my
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Sniper Leafs project. But I've had all four books optioned
recently by a major studio. Awesome, you know, And and
you know what the change is, I believe, and interest
also in you know, City of Death and Camp Valor,
is that people now want to hear good stories. And
I think that the let's just say, the Hollywood people
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or maybe the media people realize that maybe it's time
to start looking at those people and support what they
believe in as well. And that's really what American Sniper
was because I had so many people tell me, Look,
I wouldn't go to the movies for ten years before
American Sniper, and I haven't been since because that's the
only movie that I really loved because it loved America.
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And that's an interesting concept, is that people feel like
they now have a license and the ability to go
out and say, you know what, it's okay to love
this country. It's okay to teach that to our children.
It's okay to say we can be the exceptional country
on Earth.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So when you look at the world today, obviously we're
no longer in the sort of battles that we were.
You know, a decade ago and even beyond, the world
is still an incredibly dangerous place. How do we get
back on the right foot, and how do we utilize
power in the appropriate way but never get caught again
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like what happened in Afghanistan at the Abbey Gate.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah. I think what's important is to have leadership, and
I believe that this leadership that we've just elected has
that belief. Look, if we're going to commit our men
and women to a battle, no matter where it is
on this planet, and the cause has got to be right,
we have to have the finable goals and we have
to make it in America's interests. I think at times
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we get caught into these things and maybe pushed in
directions that we shouldn't be pushed. But as long as
we keep those attitudes in minds that we're doing this
for us, We're not going to commit our troops to
situations where we're going to lose men and women for
the wrong cause. But we're going to defend the interests
of this country. And as simplistic as that sounds, that's
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what we got to do. Because there's bad guys all
over the world all the time, and you know, the
United States is the light. We're the light. And where
we're weak, look at what happens in Ukraine, look at
what happens in Syria, and look at what happens in
you know, in the in the Goal On Heights, and
you know, with the Israeli situation. When we're weak, people
know we're weak, and we're more strong. It takes a
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whole different message to the world in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Sitting with Scott mcew and author of American Sniper and
so many other amazing, amazing books and stories and.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
All of this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So let me ask you this. You're you're somebody. Uh,
you're you're an attorney. Uh, you're somebody who's a great writer.
You look at all of this stuff. There's been a
very deep erosion in the United States of America over
the last four years. Weaponization of government, weaponization of justice,
et cetera, et cetera. Can we get it back on track?
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And what does that look like?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
We have to get it back on track. There's no choice.
I mean, it's because the bottom line is, you know,
I've got kids, other people have kids, whatever else. We've
had a great I personally have had a great life.
You know, whatever else, but we got to leave it.
We got to leave something for the next generation. And
the only way we can do that is to bring
it back and to get it back on track. And
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it's going to be difficult, and we're going to have
to tighten our belts. We've got to deal with some
financial issues and some other issues around the world. But
this is America. You know, we're here for a reason
and we can do whatever we want as long as
we collectively put our mind to it. There's nothing on
earth that can withstand it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Scott mcew and I always get smarter when I talk
to you, man, and it's always a pleasure to spend
time with you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Where do people go if they want to reach out
to you?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Catch up with you and maybe you know, we'll get
get some thoughts from you.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Gottmatune dot com is my website and that's probably the
best place. I've got messaging systems there, et cetera. And
you know, I just want to say to the people
before we go, we got twenty twenty five coming up.
Let's let's put our heads down and think the ways
we can make this country better, because we've got the
administration that can do it. Let's support the people that
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support this country and support our military always because they're
out there doing jobs for us, and if we stick
to it, we're going.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
To be fine, outstanding, great stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I always appreciate you. I hope you have a very
happy new Year and I'll look forward to catching up
again real soon.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Thanks so much, Scott, happy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Here, Happy new year. Absolutely, that's Scott McEwen. I'm Brett
Wooter bull in for Clay and Buck. We'll be back
right after.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
This news and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the vree
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I am Brett.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What we'll in for Clay and Buck. Great to be
with you on the program today. So the weaponization of
government one of the last things we talked about with
Scott McEwan. Weaponization of government, all the shenanigans that went
on over the period of the last four years, trying
to throw people into prison, trying to throw people into jail,
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trying to seize your your your gas stove. Remember all
that crazy stuff that was coming down the pipe.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So look at this for a.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Moment here and I want you to think, are you
still angry about the weaponization of government? And was Is
this a unique sort of occasion, Is this what has
happened is unique or has this happened before?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Is a guy named David Rubinstein.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He's a huge investment guy, does a lot of appearances
on Bloomberg News, etc. And he sort of addressed this
over the weekend talking to one of the reporters out
there doing an interview with him. And I want to
fire this up. Go ahead, Mike cut number is it one?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Five?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (13:30):
There's been a couple of times when people really were
afraid that the next person coming in that was the
opposite party would really hurt the country in many ways. Clearly,
my former boss, Jimmy Carter really feared Ronald Reagan. He
thought that Ronald Reagan was going to do undo many
of the things that Carter had done. Obviously, Reagan won
by a landslide. And we've seen other times when this
has happened as well. So for example, when FDR won
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the first time, Herbert Hooper could not believe that this man,
Herbert Hooper had been such a distinguished American before he
was president and while he was, and he had problems,
but he was a very distinguished person. He never took
FDR seriously, and FDR didn't really take Hoover that seriously.
He refused to really meet with him essentially, or met
with him briefly, and they just didn't want anything to
do with each other.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
You mentioned Grover Cleveland. There's not a chapter in the
book about Grover Cleveland. Is there anything that retroactively fascinates
you about the Cleveland presidency now that Trump has returned
to office, or are you similarly fascinated by the time
in which he was president the Guild to.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Day Grover Cleveland was a Democrat, former governor of New York,
very well respected, but he lost the election in eighteen
eighty eight, and he came back in eighteen ninety two. Now,
one of the things we don't really know is whether
a president, when he has a second term after he's
been out of office, whether he'll be fresher, whether he'll
bringing better people in, whether he'll be more experienced. For example,
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Grover Cleveland's second term was reasonably successful, and maybe Trump's
will be as well.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
One of the things the nation struggled with this last
eighteen months or so was the College of Politics and
the law. Do you think there are any lessons to
be learned from this clash and the politics that came
from the clash of trying to indict and try someone
who had been president of the United States and was
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aspiring to that office.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Again, I think there is a feeling among many people
that it wasn't a good idea to indict the president
of the United States. I think the trial in New
York where Trump was convicted, I think really helped him
in his election effort. And I think there are many
people who are Trump supporters who believe that the indictments
that came out of the Special Prosecutor Jack Smith were
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really political as well. And so I think there's both
sides feel that the other side is really talking past
each other. The people who are in the just Department
now feel that these indictments were fair and correct and
have special prosecutor and so forth. The Trump people believe
they were completely political.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Unfortunately, they have come out and shown themselves. We know
who these folks are, and those are the people that
are gonna have to try to change the system. I
got a lot of doubts about this. I'm worried about this,
and I'm still angry about all these prosecutions. It doesn't
seem to make sense, but it has set a very
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very dangerous bar and it's not anything that should have
ever ever happened. And the reality is there's going to
be a come up. And so as a result of
how this all came to pass, how mad are you
about this? Eight hundred two eight two two eight a
two eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
My name is Brett Winterbole. I'm in for Clay and
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Buck on the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth.
Please welcome back Brett Winterble, filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's great to be with you. I am Brett Winterbowle.
Let's jump out on the phones. Let's go talk to
Jim in San Diego. Jim, welcome to the program.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yes, Hi, how are you Brett? They want to give
yeah some background on who I am.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Cottage the listeners with me.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Jim in San Diego is a legendary caller here at
WBT in Charlotte. He's a great American patriot who knows
things and likes to share.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So what's on your mind today.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Jim, Yeah, I like to evangelize its Originally why I
called into your show at WBT is well actually to
KFMB when you're in KFMB. I was concerned about the
direction things were going. And once Trump won and got
the upper hand, you can see the writing on the wall.
You know, this is a thing that happened to me.
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I wanted to talk about when Carter was president. I
was formative. My formative years began as a young adult
when he became president, and I had to go out
and navigate the world as a teenager and make the
transition to the real world. And it was a real
culture shop. You know, it was a real dichotomy at
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the time, because first you're being told constantly the bombardment,
is being told that the vice president and the president
are a crook. And then on the other hand, they're
telling you that if you keep good grades, you keep
getting good grades in school, you'll be able to become
president someday. So we had this schism that we had
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to have in our mind. And once we Macarter became president,
the manifestations of the things that the economy, the things
that were brewing the chickens that were coming home to
roost started happening. I started pursuing my trade at the
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same time when interest rates started going up, and my
trade just happens to do with have a lot to
do with the housing industry. So it made a big
difference as to the availability of opportunities that are out
there because of the spike in interest rates when he
became president, and then that led to fourteen percent unemployment, right,
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And I can remember, yeah, going myself to the unemployment line,
standing in the unemployment line, filling out the papers and
everything because I'm told I'm being told by people, this
is your money. You paid into this, They owe you
this money, right, and not really thinking beyond that, but
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knowing that I'm not being employed with any kind of
continuity and what is going on. So it was a
it was a rough time to jump off the vote
you semistically, so when.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You go, when you go from that point in time
and then Reagan is elected, are are you instantly happy
with the results of the Reagan economy?
Speaker 10 (20:01):
Now?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Actually, me personally, I was still a little bit confused
about my political outlook. I did not have it written
in stone yet. But I can tell you my brother
became a businessman. He started an insulation company, and I
would visit him during holidays and what have you, and
he started telling me, He started allocuting me on why
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the Republican ideologue works, why the Democrat diologue is bankrupt.
And also too, I had to you were curious about
how did the Republicans then get involved in this situation
where their president was being had to resign with under
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the force of impeachment. And once you look back and
see that basically you had people that were acting basically
the American secret police. Yeah, that you understood that were
lifelong friends him and Jerry Edgar Hoover.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Sure, but I appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Jim, thank you very much for breaking that down, especially
the fourteen percent unemployment. That was a terrible stain on
American history. That you should see it go that high.
It's crazy. The American economy is ordered in a way
where anybody can succeed, but not everybody is going to
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get the same chance. And what happens with these progressives
is they are demanding everybody get the exact same chance. Well, okay,
all you have to do is look at the NFL.
There are certain quarterbacks that are you know superstars, right
Patrick Mahomes. And then there are quarterbacks who are on
the decline, and you can name a number of those.
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And then there are some who play a couple of games,
they get hurt, they get cut, it just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Work for them. But that's an economy, right.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You have an economy in the NFL, you have an
economy in the world of business, economy in the universities.
You have an economy in a variety of different places.
But what we as Americans need more than anything is
for government to get out of the way. Because the
more paperwork you have to file, the less clients you
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get to see. And that's the great frustration. And then
you have somebody like Donald Trump become the President of
the United States. He runs for the job, he runs
for the office, and he is successful at getting elected.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
You have COVID happen. The economy gets hammered.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
People decide they're going to go out in the streets
and riot because they don't like Donald Trump. They don't
like the circumstances that are happening in the country. They
don't like the things that are going on. And you
get a guy like Joe Biden who tells everybody. He's
a moderate, and he's the furthest thing from that. You
think about all of this stuff that we have lived
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through just since twenty sixteen, just since twenty sixteen, eight years,
and we have seen the highest of the highs and
the lowest of the lows. And the press, the press
told you there were no lows.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
There were no lows. Everything was great.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And think about the lies that they have told you
in the intervening time when Donald Trump was running again
for the presidency.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Bloodbath. Anybody remember bloodbath?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Trump's remarks being taken out of a context, one of
the legacy media's favorite pastimes. By the way, this is
all stuff that was posted up by Sean Fleetwood over
at the Federalist Blood Bloodbath. Bloodpath wasn't about violence. Bloodbath
was about the business.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Model that was out there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It wasn't going to be a bloodbath if Trump didn't
get elected. It was going to be an economic blood
bath if Democrats won the House. The war on Scotis,
Remember all the stuff they did with Clarence Thomas and
Samuel Alito, and how hysterical the New York Times got.
They were panicked hiding Biden's cognitive decline. They worked overtime
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on that. How about Project twenty twenty five. Have you
guys been connected with the Project twenty twenty five. That's
a dangerous thing out there. Nobody's talking about this anymore.
Borders are what borders are. We don't need a borders are. Oh,
Kamala Harris was the borders are until she wasn't. How
about Donald Trump's Arlington Cemetery visit. Remember that everybody was outraged,
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gold Star families were outraged all but it.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Was all a lie. It was all a lie.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And so you have been lied to consistently, I mean,
in the last two weeks of that election, Hitler, Hitler,
the boond, the Hitler rally, all the Hitler rallies.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
None of that happened. None of that happened. The media has.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Consistently lied to you for I mean generations. But it
just ramped it up even more in this last election,
and it took them so far off their mission that they.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Didn't know what to do. They have no idea what
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
They're scared, they're fearful, they're angry, but more than anything else,
for the first time in my entire life, they're demoralized
that has never manifested, maybe since Reagan in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
But the media is demoralized now and.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That's because the American people roll their eyes, ignore what
they're saying, and there's no coming back from this. The
great institution have been laid low because of the lies
they sewed. Eight hundred two A two two eight A two.
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My name is Brett witterble in for Clay and Buck.
It's pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
We'll be back right after this, saving America one thought
at a time.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
And Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the
free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Podcasts, and it is the Clay A.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Butts Show. Brett Witterbole sitting in, grateful to be with you.
Eight hundred and two A two to eight A two.
Let's go out and talk to some of the great
people who have been patiently holding on. Let's go to
Tom in North Carolina. Tom, welcome to the program.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Hey, great great show. Greetings from interstate forty. I'm traveling
eastpac Virginia, but I'm traveling down through North Carolin at moment.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Safe travels.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Thank you very much. I really enjoyed your previous calls,
particularly those who talked about when Carters president. To see,
I was a senior when Reagan was elected, and it
was interesting after the election how many of us in
high school became subtly politically aware. So not much more
to say about the Carter thing, but I just found
their conversation be very, very interesting and very parallel to
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my experience at that time.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
That's great.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
The one thing I was going to bring up that
I mentioned to your screener was that what I've been
finding interesting is that it seems like on a daily,
daily occurrence, excuse me, divide, administration seems to be doing
everything they can to undermine I think what will happen
on January twentieth. What I hope is that executive orders
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from forty seven will be able to undo some of
those actions. But I'm a little unclear if that can occur,
and perhaps you might.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Be able to help me with that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, Look, there are a number of things that are
going to happen. In fact, let me use the occasion
of your call with the issue you're talking about. Me
CUTT number six, Mike, this is Tom Homan, and he's
talking directly about this go.
Speaker 11 (28:06):
We're not waiting. I've already been to the border several times.
I've already met with Governor Abot what we can do
for Texas. I met with National Sheriff's Associates Association when
they can do it for use. I've talked to a
foreign Minister of Canada, and I've been out to Arizona
talking to the sheriffs out there. So we're not waiting
for January twentieth. We're going to try to secure the
board as quick as you can. We already started work
on those plans.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
And my sense there, Tom, is that that's happening across
the administration. They're pre writing all of these executive orders
to undo the stuff that that Biden did, because you
only get that first opportunity to show that you've been
able to get this thing done, and I think that's
ultimately what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I appreciate the call, and safe travels on your way
to Virginia. Let's go to Pete in Connecticut. Pete, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yeah, thank you very much. Great show. By the way,
I just wanted to make a distinction between legal and
illegal immigration with my brothers and I escape communists Albania
thirty six years ago, it was illegal to leave the
country and we winded up in what used to Yugoslavia
at that time in a refugee camp. We were processed
there for nine months. Background investigation was conducted, medical examination,
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and we had to find a sponsor to come to
the United States. And we did it legally, We did
it properly, and we were proud to do it. The
proudest day of my life was the day when I
became an American citizen. And now what we see nowadays
is that we are enticing people to come to United
States illegally for the benefits that we offered to them,
instead of Americanism, pursuing the American dream and searching for
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freedom and opportunity. And I find that to be insulted
into even us who were not born here, who chose
to come here illegally.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Would you go so far as to say, maybe you
don't get any benefits when you come in and we
do it like it was in the twenties and the thirties,
and people had to I have a personal sponsor who
was fiduciarily responsible.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Absolutely absolutely. When I went to college here in New York,
I paid for my own tuition, but we do nowadays
we're penalizing American citizens and rewarding illegals. I live in
the state of Connecticut, and if you're illegal, you get
in state question. But if my nieces and nephews who
live in New York decided to move up and go
to Yukon, they will pay out of state question. And
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they are American born citizens. We are penalizing American born
citizens and rewarding people for coming year illegual they get
greater benefits than we do. And by having a sponsor,
we had to do that. Unless we had a sponsor
to who was willing to take us in and support
us until we were able to support ourselves, we were
not able to come to the United States, and they
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should be that way.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Let me ask you a question on the way out
the door.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Here great great, great stuff that you're telling us, how
long did it take you to really get up on
your feed after you emigrated into the United States? Like,
how long of a period of time was that?
Speaker 6 (31:01):
It took a few months Because the first job we
landed was in Michigan. When we started flipping burgers, there
was plenty of work to do at that time to say,
an entry level position where we were making minimum wage,
but we were able to feed ourselves and pay the bills.
Eventually I was able to go to college. I went
to law school in Manhattan, pass the boar, became an attorney.
I mean, you can do these things on your own
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as long as the government stays out of it. Because
what the government is doing right now, they are trying
to create a permanent underclass in the United States, and
the Democrats are doing that because they need that voting
block that is dependent on the government. The biggest threat
to the Democrats and the liberals all over the world
is when people become independent from the government, because that's
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when they become absolute. We don't need the government if
we are able to provide for ourselves the moment the
government provides for us. They had this command and control
over the population. That's what they did in Eastern Europe,
That's what they did in Russia. That's what they did
all over these failed liberal policies and systems that we
have seen over the years, whether they are Russia, Cuba, Albania, whatever,
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you go, Pete.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I am so happy that you're in the United States.
I'm so happy that you're an American and that your
family is here. I really appreciate you giving us that
that perspective because it's something that is way too overlooked.
And God bless you and your family, and thank you
for checking in on the show today, sir, you very much.
A happy New Year to you. Is well, look that
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that's the whole. That's the whole sauce. That's the secret sauce.
Right there is the idea of Okay, you don't have
to give me everything. In fact, we should incentivize people
to not take stuff out of the box. There are
tons of jobs that are available out there, and I
know you know.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Work is not right.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
It's not okay to to work and to do labor
and to try to climb up the ladder.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
But think about it. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
The average American kid that wants to go out and
get a job has to start just like he was flipping.
Get a little better, become a manager, go to another company,
work your way up. That's the American dream. It's not easy,
it's hard, but it makes you realize how special a
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place this country is. All Right, coming up, I'm gonna
give you some great sound. And also, don't forget we're
taking your phone calls. Eight hundred two eight two two
eight eight two. I am Brett Wooterbow. You're listening to
the Clay and Buckshell.
He's heard on News Talk eleven and ninety nine point
three WBT and Charlotte, North Carolina. Please welcome Brett Winterble
filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And it is great to be here with this incredible audience.
Smart audience, clever audience, a great audience all the way around.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm not sucking up.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm not trust me, I'm an early adopter in that regard.
It is great to be with you. We are expecting
to be visited by our good friend Scott McEwan. The
American Sniper movie is ten years old, and we got
all sorts of stuff we're going to talk about with
Scott because he is a guy who pays very close
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attention to the trends and the things that are out
there in terms of the dangers, right and the scary
stuff that's out there. Plus at the same time, he's
also he's got a bunch of novels that he's done,
including some great stuff for young people as well. You know,
it's difficut called sometimes too to try to find something
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that's gonna help build character and that sort of stuff. Uh,
that's it's always such a big, big deal when you
get folks who who enjoy certain things, uh, specifically about
the about the military and how the military affects the
lives and the freedoms for us. And that's one thing
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I'm looking forward to with President Trump coming back into office,
because I do believe he has a great deal of
respect and love for those men and women who risk
everything with with almost noah plom and that is that
is something that is such an important point. These are
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not people who necessarily come from means, though some may.
These are people who have a heart for service in
some of the most dangerous places around around the world.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And I want to welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Let's, uh, let's check in with my good friend Scott McEwan,
author of so many great books, but most importantly American Sniper.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Hey, Scott, how are you well.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I'm good, Brett, Thank you, Thanks you for having me on.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you on the program.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Here.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Look, when when you were writing this, this book, uh,
and you were working with Chris Kyle and the movie
that would that would come Beyond, did you ever expect
that this would be as big a story as it
has been.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
No way you could expect that, especially in the circumstances
that you know that this book was written and how
Chris and I started the project. Basically, he and I
were friends and drinking buddies, and you know, I've heard
all the stories from him and his seal team buddies
that I would go out with on occasion, and I
thought to myself, this is really this generation's band of brothers.
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This is you know, this warfighter generation, you know, digging
back to World War Two and epic scenes like that,
and I thought, this story has to be told. But
none of us had any idea that it was going
to be as big as it was, or that the
you know, the movie and everything afterwards would happen.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know, you've you've done a number of of of
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Nonfiction books right Eyes on Target, American Commander. You have
a great feel for these people who then are willing
to sacrifice literally everything in very dangerous places, and you've
written amazing stuff like like like your novels and the
the stuff for the young kids as well. How does
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that continue to drive you because you know, we went
through about four dark years here with the president that
didn't seem to have a rudder for this country. How
do you kind of shake through that when you've seen greatness,
do you expect it again?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
You know, I think the analogy can be drawn, and
I was just thinking of that before I came in
the show between American Sniper and say, for example, the
re election of Donald Trump. And the reason I say
that is this, there's a group of people in this
country that love this country, period, no matter what, and
they're not going to stand for the country being run down,
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the country being denigrated. All the things that we've seen
over this last four years I think really personally affected people,
and it certainly affected me. And there's a group of
people out there that love stories like American Sniper and
Chris's story because at the end of the day, he
was a patriot. He just loved this country and he
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wanted to give his life and ultimately did get his
life for this country, as well as many of his
comrades you know, that were at war with him, not
just the Seals, all the people men and women that
fought for this country, you know, during the Sandbox Wars.
I like to call him, and you know, they're the
same people, and I think it's the same group of
people that love stories like American Sniper and love to
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see somebody like Trump, who you know, who may have
his flaws like we all do, sure, but we still
know that he backs his country before anything else. And
that's the same story as Chris Kyle.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And and so let me ask you this question, and
you could take it in any direction you want.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know a lot of special operators.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You've you've spent time at you know, hundreds thousands of
hours with these folks when you're around them. And the
question that I would ask you is this, are these
fundamentally special people or are these people that are just
a regular person doing an incredible thing? How do you
kind of ascribe that mission to them?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Scott.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
The way I'd like to describe it is all of
us have the ability maybe to do the things that
these these men and women do with a special Operations community,
it's it's a limited group maybe that can do that physically,
but mentally. These people have devoted themselves to this country
and to their cause, and they just tap into that
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thirty percent more in the gas tank that all of
us have. But they know how to tap into that
thirty percent more Because when you think you're done, you're
not done. There's thirty percent more you can call upon
and that's what they do. They push it to the limit.
They trust their comrades, they know what it is to
be a team, and they know what it is to
be from a great organization. And I think that's very
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true of most of America, that people really do love
this country, and when we're tected, we can be pushed
that extra thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So what do you expect looking forward in this next administration.
I've had conversations with people who say, you know, I
don't want my kids going in under Joe Biden. You know,
we watched what happened in Afghanistan, et cetera. Do you
think there will be a revival of patriotism and people
wanting to get into the ranks or is DEI still
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sort of.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Kind of a sticking point? Wait? How do you assess
the future here? Scott?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I think there's been a sea change, And you know, Brett,
I put it from that from my own personal experience,
and you know, I've seen it with both people being
willing to speak out and and let's just say, question
these attitudes, these DEI beliefs, things of that nature. But
also from a personal level, you know, I'm not liberty
to disclose the studio that is going to do my
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Sniper Leafs project. But I've had all four books optioned
recently by a major studio. Awesome, you know, And and
you know what the change is, I believe, and interest
also in you know, City of Death and Camp Valor,
is that people now want to hear good stories. And
I think that the let's just say, the Hollywood people
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or maybe the media people realize that maybe it's time
to start looking at those people and support what they
believe in as well. And that's really what American Sniper
was because I had so many people tell me, Look,
I wouldn't go to the movies for ten years before
American Sniper, and I haven't been since because that's the
only movie that I really loved because it loved America.
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And that's an interesting concept, is that people feel like
they now have a license and the ability to go
out and say, you know what, it's okay to love
this country. It's okay to teach that to our children.
It's okay to say we can be the exceptional country
on Earth.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So when you look at the world today, obviously we're
no longer in the sort of battles that we were.
You know, a decade ago and even beyond, the world
is still an incredibly dangerous place. How do we get
back on the right foot, and how do we utilize
power in the appropriate way but never get caught again
(08:47):
like what happened in Afghanistan at the Abbey Gate.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah. I think what's important is to have leadership, and
I believe that this leadership that we've just elected has
that belief. Look, if we're going to commit our men
and women to a battle, no matter where it is
on this planet, and the cause has got to be right,
we have to have the finable goals and we have
to make it in America's interests. I think at times
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we get caught into these things and maybe pushed in
directions that we shouldn't be pushed. But as long as
we keep those attitudes in minds that we're doing this
for us, We're not going to commit our troops to
situations where we're going to lose men and women for
the wrong cause. But we're going to defend the interests
of this country. And as simplistic as that sounds, that's
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what we got to do. Because there's bad guys all
over the world all the time, and you know, the
United States is the light. We're the light. And where
we're weak, look at what happens in Ukraine, look at
what happens in Syria, and look at what happens in
you know, in the in the Goal On Heights, and
you know, with the Israeli situation. When we're weak, people
know we're weak, and we're more strong. It takes a
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whole different message to the world in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Sitting with Scott mcew and author of American Sniper and
so many other amazing, amazing books and stories and.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
All of this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So let me ask you this. You're you're somebody. Uh,
you're you're an attorney. Uh, you're somebody who's a great writer.
You look at all of this stuff. There's been a
very deep erosion in the United States of America over
the last four years. Weaponization of government, weaponization of justice,
et cetera, et cetera. Can we get it back on track?
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And what does that look like?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
We have to get it back on track. There's no choice.
I mean, it's because the bottom line is, you know,
I've got kids, other people have kids, whatever else. We've
had a great I personally have had a great life.
You know, whatever else, but we got to leave it.
We got to leave something for the next generation. And
the only way we can do that is to bring
it back and to get it back on track. And
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it's going to be difficult, and we're going to have
to tighten our belts. We've got to deal with some
financial issues and some other issues around the world. But
this is America. You know, we're here for a reason
and we can do whatever we want as long as
we collectively put our mind to it. There's nothing on
earth that can withstand it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Scott mcew and I always get smarter when I talk
to you, man, and it's always a pleasure to spend
time with you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Where do people go if they want to reach out
to you?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Catch up with you and maybe you know, we'll get
get some thoughts from you.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Gottmatune dot com is my website and that's probably the
best place. I've got messaging systems there, et cetera. And
you know, I just want to say to the people
before we go, we got twenty twenty five coming up.
Let's let's put our heads down and think the ways
we can make this country better, because we've got the
administration that can do it. Let's support the people that
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support this country and support our military always because they're
out there doing jobs for us, and if we stick
to it, we're going.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
To be fine, outstanding, great stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I always appreciate you. I hope you have a very
happy new Year and I'll look forward to catching up
again real soon.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Thanks so much, Scott, happy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Here, Happy new year. Absolutely, that's Scott McEwen. I'm Brett
Wooter bull in for Clay and Buck. We'll be back
right after.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
This news and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the vree
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I am Brett.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What we'll in for Clay and Buck. Great to be
with you on the program today. So the weaponization of
government one of the last things we talked about with
Scott McEwan. Weaponization of government, all the shenanigans that went
on over the period of the last four years, trying
to throw people into prison, trying to throw people into jail,
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trying to seize your your your gas stove. Remember all
that crazy stuff that was coming down the pipe.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So look at this for a.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Moment here and I want you to think, are you
still angry about the weaponization of government? And was Is
this a unique sort of occasion, Is this what has
happened is unique or has this happened before?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Is a guy named David Rubinstein.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He's a huge investment guy, does a lot of appearances
on Bloomberg News, etc. And he sort of addressed this
over the weekend talking to one of the reporters out
there doing an interview with him. And I want to
fire this up. Go ahead, Mike cut number is it one?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Five?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (13:30):
There's been a couple of times when people really were
afraid that the next person coming in that was the
opposite party would really hurt the country in many ways. Clearly,
my former boss, Jimmy Carter really feared Ronald Reagan. He
thought that Ronald Reagan was going to do undo many
of the things that Carter had done. Obviously, Reagan won
by a landslide. And we've seen other times when this
has happened as well. So for example, when FDR won
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the first time, Herbert Hooper could not believe that this man,
Herbert Hooper had been such a distinguished American before he
was president and while he was, and he had problems,
but he was a very distinguished person. He never took
FDR seriously, and FDR didn't really take Hoover that seriously.
He refused to really meet with him essentially, or met
with him briefly, and they just didn't want anything to
do with each other.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
You mentioned Grover Cleveland. There's not a chapter in the
book about Grover Cleveland. Is there anything that retroactively fascinates
you about the Cleveland presidency now that Trump has returned
to office, or are you similarly fascinated by the time
in which he was president the Guild to.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Day Grover Cleveland was a Democrat, former governor of New York,
very well respected, but he lost the election in eighteen
eighty eight, and he came back in eighteen ninety two. Now,
one of the things we don't really know is whether
a president, when he has a second term after he's
been out of office, whether he'll be fresher, whether he'll
bringing better people in, whether he'll be more experienced. For example,
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Grover Cleveland's second term was reasonably successful, and maybe Trump's
will be as well.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
One of the things the nation struggled with this last
eighteen months or so was the College of Politics and
the law. Do you think there are any lessons to
be learned from this clash and the politics that came
from the clash of trying to indict and try someone
who had been president of the United States and was
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aspiring to that office.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Again, I think there is a feeling among many people
that it wasn't a good idea to indict the president
of the United States. I think the trial in New
York where Trump was convicted, I think really helped him
in his election effort. And I think there are many
people who are Trump supporters who believe that the indictments
that came out of the Special Prosecutor Jack Smith were
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really political as well. And so I think there's both
sides feel that the other side is really talking past
each other. The people who are in the just Department
now feel that these indictments were fair and correct and
have special prosecutor and so forth. The Trump people believe
they were completely political.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Unfortunately, they have come out and shown themselves. We know
who these folks are, and those are the people that
are gonna have to try to change the system. I
got a lot of doubts about this. I'm worried about this,
and I'm still angry about all these prosecutions. It doesn't
seem to make sense, but it has set a very
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very dangerous bar and it's not anything that should have
ever ever happened. And the reality is there's going to
be a come up. And so as a result of
how this all came to pass, how mad are you
about this? Eight hundred two eight two two eight a
two eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
My name is Brett Winterbole. I'm in for Clay and
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Buck on the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth.
Please welcome back Brett Winterble, filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's great to be with you. I am Brett Winterbowle.
Let's jump out on the phones. Let's go talk to
Jim in San Diego. Jim, welcome to the program.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yes, Hi, how are you Brett? They want to give
yeah some background on who I am.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Cottage the listeners with me.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Jim in San Diego is a legendary caller here at
WBT in Charlotte. He's a great American patriot who knows
things and likes to share.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So what's on your mind today.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Jim, Yeah, I like to evangelize its Originally why I
called into your show at WBT is well actually to
KFMB when you're in KFMB. I was concerned about the
direction things were going. And once Trump won and got
the upper hand, you can see the writing on the wall.
You know, this is a thing that happened to me.
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I wanted to talk about when Carter was president. I
was formative. My formative years began as a young adult
when he became president, and I had to go out
and navigate the world as a teenager and make the
transition to the real world. And it was a real
culture shop. You know, it was a real dichotomy at
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the time, because first you're being told constantly the bombardment,
is being told that the vice president and the president
are a crook. And then on the other hand, they're
telling you that if you keep good grades, you keep
getting good grades in school, you'll be able to become
president someday. So we had this schism that we had
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to have in our mind. And once we Macarter became president,
the manifestations of the things that the economy, the things
that were brewing the chickens that were coming home to
roost started happening. I started pursuing my trade at the
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same time when interest rates started going up, and my
trade just happens to do with have a lot to
do with the housing industry. So it made a big
difference as to the availability of opportunities that are out
there because of the spike in interest rates when he
became president, and then that led to fourteen percent unemployment, right,
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And I can remember, yeah, going myself to the unemployment line,
standing in the unemployment line, filling out the papers and
everything because I'm told I'm being told by people, this
is your money. You paid into this, They owe you
this money, right, and not really thinking beyond that, but
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knowing that I'm not being employed with any kind of
continuity and what is going on. So it was a
it was a rough time to jump off the vote
you semistically, so when.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You go, when you go from that point in time
and then Reagan is elected, are are you instantly happy
with the results of the Reagan economy?
Speaker 10 (20:01):
Now?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Actually, me personally, I was still a little bit confused
about my political outlook. I did not have it written
in stone yet. But I can tell you my brother
became a businessman. He started an insulation company, and I
would visit him during holidays and what have you, and
he started telling me, He started allocuting me on why
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the Republican ideologue works, why the Democrat diologue is bankrupt.
And also too, I had to you were curious about
how did the Republicans then get involved in this situation
where their president was being had to resign with under
(20:43):
the force of impeachment. And once you look back and
see that basically you had people that were acting basically
the American secret police. Yeah, that you understood that were
lifelong friends him and Jerry Edgar Hoover.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Sure, but I appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Jim, thank you very much for breaking that down, especially
the fourteen percent unemployment. That was a terrible stain on
American history. That you should see it go that high.
It's crazy. The American economy is ordered in a way
where anybody can succeed, but not everybody is going to
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get the same chance. And what happens with these progressives
is they are demanding everybody get the exact same chance. Well, okay,
all you have to do is look at the NFL.
There are certain quarterbacks that are you know superstars, right
Patrick Mahomes. And then there are quarterbacks who are on
the decline, and you can name a number of those.
(21:47):
And then there are some who play a couple of games,
they get hurt, they get cut, it just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Work for them. But that's an economy, right.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You have an economy in the NFL, you have an
economy in the world of business, economy in the universities.
You have an economy in a variety of different places.
But what we as Americans need more than anything is
for government to get out of the way. Because the
more paperwork you have to file, the less clients you
(22:17):
get to see. And that's the great frustration. And then
you have somebody like Donald Trump become the President of
the United States. He runs for the job, he runs
for the office, and he is successful at getting elected.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
You have COVID happen. The economy gets hammered.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
People decide they're going to go out in the streets
and riot because they don't like Donald Trump. They don't
like the circumstances that are happening in the country. They
don't like the things that are going on. And you
get a guy like Joe Biden who tells everybody. He's
a moderate, and he's the furthest thing from that. You
think about all of this stuff that we have lived
(22:55):
through just since twenty sixteen, just since twenty sixteen, eight years,
and we have seen the highest of the highs and
the lowest of the lows. And the press, the press
told you there were no lows.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
There were no lows. Everything was great.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And think about the lies that they have told you
in the intervening time when Donald Trump was running again
for the presidency.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Bloodbath. Anybody remember bloodbath?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Trump's remarks being taken out of a context, one of
the legacy media's favorite pastimes. By the way, this is
all stuff that was posted up by Sean Fleetwood over
at the Federalist Blood Bloodbath. Bloodpath wasn't about violence. Bloodbath
was about the business.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Model that was out there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It wasn't going to be a bloodbath if Trump didn't
get elected. It was going to be an economic blood
bath if Democrats won the House. The war on Scotis,
Remember all the stuff they did with Clarence Thomas and
Samuel Alito, and how hysterical the New York Times got.
They were panicked hiding Biden's cognitive decline. They worked overtime
(24:11):
on that. How about Project twenty twenty five. Have you
guys been connected with the Project twenty twenty five. That's
a dangerous thing out there. Nobody's talking about this anymore.
Borders are what borders are. We don't need a borders are. Oh,
Kamala Harris was the borders are until she wasn't. How
about Donald Trump's Arlington Cemetery visit. Remember that everybody was outraged,
(24:36):
gold Star families were outraged all but it.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Was all a lie. It was all a lie.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And so you have been lied to consistently, I mean,
in the last two weeks of that election, Hitler, Hitler,
the boond, the Hitler rally, all the Hitler rallies.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
None of that happened. None of that happened. The media has.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Consistently lied to you for I mean generations. But it
just ramped it up even more in this last election,
and it took them so far off their mission that they.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Didn't know what to do. They have no idea what
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
They're scared, they're fearful, they're angry, but more than anything else,
for the first time in my entire life, they're demoralized
that has never manifested, maybe since Reagan in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
But the media is demoralized now and.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That's because the American people roll their eyes, ignore what
they're saying, and there's no coming back from this. The
great institution have been laid low because of the lies
they sewed. Eight hundred two A two two eight A two.
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My name is Brett witterble in for Clay and Buck.
It's pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
We'll be back right after this, saving America one thought
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Speaker 7 (26:19):
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Podcasts, and it is the Clay A.
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Butts Show. Brett Witterbole sitting in, grateful to be with you.
Eight hundred and two A two to eight A two.
Let's go out and talk to some of the great
people who have been patiently holding on. Let's go to
Tom in North Carolina. Tom, welcome to the program.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Hey, great great show. Greetings from interstate forty. I'm traveling
eastpac Virginia, but I'm traveling down through North Carolin at moment.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Safe travels.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Thank you very much. I really enjoyed your previous calls,
particularly those who talked about when Carters president. To see,
I was a senior when Reagan was elected, and it
was interesting after the election how many of us in
high school became subtly politically aware. So not much more
to say about the Carter thing, but I just found
their conversation be very, very interesting and very parallel to
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my experience at that time.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
That's great.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
The one thing I was going to bring up that
I mentioned to your screener was that what I've been
finding interesting is that it seems like on a daily,
daily occurrence, excuse me, divide, administration seems to be doing
everything they can to undermine I think what will happen
on January twentieth. What I hope is that executive orders
(27:41):
from forty seven will be able to undo some of
those actions. But I'm a little unclear if that can occur,
and perhaps you might.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Be able to help me with that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, Look, there are a number of things that are
going to happen. In fact, let me use the occasion
of your call with the issue you're talking about. Me
CUTT number six, Mike, this is Tom Homan, and he's
talking directly about this go.
Speaker 11 (28:06):
We're not waiting. I've already been to the border several times.
I've already met with Governor Abot what we can do
for Texas. I met with National Sheriff's Associates Association when
they can do it for use. I've talked to a
foreign Minister of Canada, and I've been out to Arizona
talking to the sheriffs out there. So we're not waiting
for January twentieth. We're going to try to secure the
board as quick as you can. We already started work
on those plans.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
And my sense there, Tom, is that that's happening across
the administration. They're pre writing all of these executive orders
to undo the stuff that that Biden did, because you
only get that first opportunity to show that you've been
able to get this thing done, and I think that's
ultimately what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I appreciate the call, and safe travels on your way
to Virginia. Let's go to Pete in Connecticut. Pete, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yeah, thank you very much. Great show. By the way,
I just wanted to make a distinction between legal and
illegal immigration with my brothers and I escape communists Albania
thirty six years ago, it was illegal to leave the
country and we winded up in what used to Yugoslavia
at that time in a refugee camp. We were processed
there for nine months. Background investigation was conducted, medical examination,
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and we had to find a sponsor to come to
the United States. And we did it legally, We did
it properly, and we were proud to do it. The
proudest day of my life was the day when I
became an American citizen. And now what we see nowadays
is that we are enticing people to come to United
States illegally for the benefits that we offered to them,
instead of Americanism, pursuing the American dream and searching for
(29:42):
freedom and opportunity. And I find that to be insulted
into even us who were not born here, who chose
to come here illegally.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Would you go so far as to say, maybe you
don't get any benefits when you come in and we
do it like it was in the twenties and the thirties,
and people had to I have a personal sponsor who
was fiduciarily responsible.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Absolutely absolutely. When I went to college here in New York,
I paid for my own tuition, but we do nowadays
we're penalizing American citizens and rewarding illegals. I live in
the state of Connecticut, and if you're illegal, you get
in state question. But if my nieces and nephews who
live in New York decided to move up and go
to Yukon, they will pay out of state question. And
(30:24):
they are American born citizens. We are penalizing American born
citizens and rewarding people for coming year illegual they get
greater benefits than we do. And by having a sponsor,
we had to do that. Unless we had a sponsor
to who was willing to take us in and support
us until we were able to support ourselves, we were
not able to come to the United States, and they
(30:45):
should be that way.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Let me ask you a question on the way out
the door.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Here great great, great stuff that you're telling us, how
long did it take you to really get up on
your feed after you emigrated into the United States? Like,
how long of a period of time was that?
Speaker 6 (31:01):
It took a few months Because the first job we
landed was in Michigan. When we started flipping burgers, there
was plenty of work to do at that time to say,
an entry level position where we were making minimum wage,
but we were able to feed ourselves and pay the bills.
Eventually I was able to go to college. I went
to law school in Manhattan, pass the boar, became an attorney.
I mean, you can do these things on your own
(31:22):
as long as the government stays out of it. Because
what the government is doing right now, they are trying
to create a permanent underclass in the United States, and
the Democrats are doing that because they need that voting
block that is dependent on the government. The biggest threat
to the Democrats and the liberals all over the world
is when people become independent from the government, because that's
(31:44):
when they become absolute. We don't need the government if
we are able to provide for ourselves the moment the
government provides for us. They had this command and control
over the population. That's what they did in Eastern Europe,
That's what they did in Russia. That's what they did
all over these failed liberal policies and systems that we
have seen over the years, whether they are Russia, Cuba, Albania, whatever,
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you go, Pete.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I am so happy that you're in the United States.
I'm so happy that you're an American and that your
family is here. I really appreciate you giving us that
that perspective because it's something that is way too overlooked.
And God bless you and your family, and thank you
for checking in on the show today, sir, you very much.
A happy New Year to you. Is well, look that
(32:28):
that's the whole. That's the whole sauce. That's the secret sauce.
Right there is the idea of Okay, you don't have
to give me everything. In fact, we should incentivize people
to not take stuff out of the box. There are
tons of jobs that are available out there, and I
know you know.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Work is not right.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
It's not okay to to work and to do labor
and to try to climb up the ladder.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
But think about it. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
The average American kid that wants to go out and
get a job has to start just like he was flipping.
Get a little better, become a manager, go to another company,
work your way up. That's the American dream. It's not easy,
it's hard, but it makes you realize how special a
(33:14):
place this country is. All Right, coming up, I'm gonna
give you some great sound. And also, don't forget we're
taking your phone calls. Eight hundred two eight two two
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