May 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with the hosts eagerly awaiting the announcement of the new Pope, discussing the betting odds and potential candidates. The conversation shifts to Joe Biden's appearance on The View, where he addresses various topics, including the decline in financial support for the Biden family business and his thoughts on the 2020 election results. Biden claims he would have beaten Trump, despite Trump winning key battleground states and making significant inroads with various demographics.
The hosts critique Biden's delusional statements and discuss the media's portrayal of his presidency. They highlight Biden's comments on sexism as a reason for Kamala Harris's loss in the 2024 election, emphasizing the disconnect between Biden's narrative and reality.
Breaking news interrupts the show as the hosts announce the election of Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost as Pope Leo the 14th, the first American-born Pope. They delve into his background, noting his Chicago roots, education at Villanova, and his work in Peru. The hosts express excitement about this historic event and discuss the implications for American Catholics and the broader Catholic Church.
Ed Martin, the interim US Attorney for Washington DC, appears on the show, discussing his role in reducing crime and addressing the weaponization of government. He shares his experiences and insights into the challenges faced in his position and the importance of maintaining an American system that is not weaponized against its citizens.
The hour concludes with the hosts reflecting on the significance of having an American Pope and the potential impact on the Catholic Church and Western civilization.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now we are on Pope Name Watch. We know there
is a pope, a new one has been chosen. The
white smoke has come out. We don't know which one.
As soon as we know, we will let you know.
And Raymond Arroyo of Fox News we talked to yesterday
(00:20):
who is an expert in all the papal candidates and
is in Vatican City right now. He is going to
put down his plate of spaghetti out of meat to
balls and call into us and tell us exactly what
is going on over there. So it's well, not just
the Catholics listening, but to everybody who's curious about the
new pope.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We are on it. We are watching, and as soon.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
As word breaks about who that white smoke smoke represents,
you will have more from us on that, to be sure, yes,
pointing at me. Surging in the gambling markets, Louise Antonio
Tagel is now going head to head with Pietro Perilin.
(01:05):
For those of you out there who are curious, they
are both still Pietro Perilin big favorite our boy Pizza
Bala is making a little bit of a run now
in the third hole batting not quite clean up, but
everybody else there's only three people that are really getting
(01:28):
any play at all at this point in time, and
I am joining. Some of us are sitting and wondering
who will be Vickers Christ on Earth. Others are sitting
here looking at whether this is going to play out
like the NFL draft, And there'll be some people very disappointed,
you know, not that one cardinal is not going to
get signed to the deal.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He thought.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's going to be very sad about it. But different
approaches to this papal thing. So yes, for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So we will supposedly, on average for people out there,
it takes about forty minutes after the smoke is officially
released for news of who the new pope is to.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
To wind in. So we will see how all that
breaks down.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The smoke will clear in about forty minutes, so we
will let you know. Well, it was forty minutes a
while ago. I don't know what the timing is now,
we'll let you know as soon as we know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
We're on it. We're on and I promise it will
be something to address here as soon as we can.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
All right now, in the meantime, oh my, we have
Joe Biden, who has gone on the View because this
is I think now, is there a more central to
the Democrat base show on television than the View?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm not sure there is.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Morning Joe covered itself in ignominious stupidity in the last
and as the audience is tiny, it's amazing is that
they pay these people millions of dollars on Morning Joe.
Their audience is a fraction, truly a small fraction the
size of the audience that you are all a part
of day in and day out on this show'd Starbucks
(03:12):
sponsors Morning Joe, not sponsoring us? Well, we got crack
at coffee. But Joe Scarborough, I'm sorry, Joe Biden is
on the View. And the dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You've seen this reporting, I'm sure, Clay, the.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Dollars have dried up for the Biden family business. Oh my,
what a shock you mean that when he's not just
able to be a pass through for bribes that people
don't actually care to pay Hunter Biden huge sums of
money to do nothing. Oh my gosh, this is a
shock to no one. But remember the dishonest media, the
(03:47):
same media that told you Biden does not did not
have dementia. Is the media that told you Hunter Biden
went to Yale Law School. Maybe people were just paying
him because he's so smart, right, But then there's this clay,
This is called thirty. Biden was asked would he have
beaten Trump? I'm sure you're all going to want to
(04:08):
hear this one.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Listen, you had previously said that you thought that you
would have won. Since then, Donald Trump won all the
battleground states and made in roads with almost every major demographic,
from working class voters to Hispanic men to black men.
Knowing what you know, now, do you think you would
have beaten him?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
He still got seven minute a fewer votes, yes, yeah, Okay,
a lot of people didn't show up number one, number one,
number two. They're very close in those those toss up states.
It was. It wasn't a slam dunk. And so look,
I you know, every time I've been on the show,
which you've been fortuning, I've been fortunate beyond more than once.
(04:47):
Thanks for having me. Is that we talk. You guys
don't focus on as much. And I think it's good
polling numbers, but thankful this way, he's had the worst
hundred days any presidents ever had.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, that's a fun.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean delusional, but yeah, that's a fact delusional. I
would just say this though, Clay, I actually.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is where we I'm not trying to re litigate this, Okay.
I think that they were dumb to abandon Biden in
favor of Kamala. Like, even with what happened, I really
do believe that. I think Trump still would have won,
but I think it might have been a little bit tighter.
There's also the question of.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Seven million more votes. Seven million more votes really.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, that's first of all, not even true in twenty
twenty four, because Trump got seventy seven million votes and
I think Kamala got like seventy five and or seventy
four point eight or something like that the final numbers.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But she got I guess, quite a lot less votes.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think even Democrats are having a hard time explaining
how Joe Biden got eighty one million votes in twenty twenty.
You notice they don't really talk about rigged elections anymore,
or twenty twenty at all.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That story just kind of vanished.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I think when you look at the Trump era and
you compare Biden, let's say twenty twenty, with Obama twenty twelve,
with Trump sixteen, twenty and twenty four. There's only one
election in the twenty first century that you look at
the vote totals and you're like, boy, something's really out
(06:21):
of whack here, and it is Biden twenty twenty, a
president that was never very popular, suddenly, out of nowhere,
gets twelve million more votes than the best Barack Obama
ever did. The only person I think that believes that
that was one hundred percent legitimate maybe Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And that's because his brain doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
How how could you if that is something that everybody
had so much faith in, How could you abandon the
guy who is still the guy who got by far
the most votes of any president in the history of
the country.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
If you look at this from the Democrat point of view,
he is the high water mark, more so than Obama
by far.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Buck It's sixty nine million, I believe, was the most
votes that Obama ever got. In two thousand and eight,
Biden got twelve million more than the best Obama ever did.
Even if you control for population growth, you know, the
increase in population since then.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I don't know, maybe the illegals.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Even if you do all that, that is an enormous,
an enormous gap between Biden and Obama, and there was
an enormous gap between Biden and Kamala. So we are
to believe that in the twenty first century, Joe Biden
is by far the dementia patient is the most compelling
(07:46):
Democrat who has ever run for office by far.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
That is a hard thing to say out loud and not.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Start to burrow your brow a little bit and go, hmmm, really,
that's what we're all.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Supposed to believe.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So now we get into you know, Biden and his
current position and what he's saying about all this stuff.
He's got to do this, this cleanup because no one
cares about Biden when he's not able to sell his office,
which is what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He was selling access to his office.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And you know Biden, when he's trying to explain how
could Trump have beaten Kamala, this has cut twenty nine Clay.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He goes right to sexism.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Democrats were feeling optimistic about the vice president's chances of
winning the presidency, but then election night came and it
was like twenty sixteen all over again. So why do
you think the vice president lost? And were you surprised?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I wasn't surprised, Not because I didn't think the vice
president most qualified person to be president. She is, she's
qualified to be president nine states of America. Well, I
was surprised. I wasn't surprised because they went the root
of the sexistirt of the whole room. I mean, this
is a woman, she's this, she's a I mean really,
I've never seen quite as successful and a consistent campaign
(09:11):
under cutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country,
and a woman of mixed trace.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
He's just he's not I mean, he's not of sound mind.
And you can tell when he's talking about this, it's
just blatherclay. It makes no what he says makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And well, by the way, the Pope, we got the
Pope buck and it is.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
A great upset.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Cardinal Robert Prevost elected Pope Leo the fourteenth. The announcement
is now out there. This guy completely off the board
in terms of the gambling odds, and we need to
do quick research. Let's get get our bud Raymond Arroyo up.
(09:58):
This is Gurdusky just retweeted this, Robert Prevost. I'm gonna
look him up because I don't remember him even being
widely discussed in the in the run up to who
was going to potentially be the next pope. So he's
coming a little bit off the board. And uh, let's see,
(10:22):
I'm just trying to read about Prevos Pope Leo the fourteenth. Interesting,
I had not Did we even talk about this guy
with Raymond yesterday?
Speaker 7 (10:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
He Raymond did not even meet him, and he came
off the board. I mean I'm looking at you know,
I've been following it on the gambling odds. This guy,
Uh he's a Is he from the US? I think
I'm learning about him in real time right now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, let's go to Brake. Let's go to get Raymond
to tell you everything.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
We're gonna get Raymond on Uh he is from the
United States, Buck. According to what I am seeing on
social media, this is would be the first pope ever
for from the United States, American. This is American Pope.
Robert Francis Prevost has been announced. Nobody saw that coming.
(11:11):
He had a He's from Chicago, percent chance, Chicago, Chicago
with the pope.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, out of nowhere, originally from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Historic serves as the head of the church's Dicastery for Bishops.
Powerful position means he oversees the selection of new bishops. Yeah,
that's he's We got a Chicago guy. So not not
Pope Pizza Bagel, but Pope Chicago.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Very exciting. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Who would have known, sixty nine year old from Chicago
seen as a compromise candidate. We have an American pope.
So maybe we're making America great again and also the
world great again with an American pope. This is amazing.
So we will talk about this when we come. But again,
(12:01):
breaking news.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Robert Francis Prevost the first ever United States pope.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's a big deal. This is even two hundred and
sixty six pope so far, not a single one from America.
So we got an American pope. Everybody, this is big.
This is bigger news than I was expecting today, no doubt,
and I think this is great news for American Catholics,
the Catholic Church, Christianity more broadly, Western civilization. We'll get
(12:30):
into all of that here coming up momentarily. But Leo
the fourteenth, with the win on this one and all right,
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Speaker 3 (13:54):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, major
breaking news. The first ever American born Pope Robert Francis Prevost.
He has taken the name Pope Leo the fourteenth. Born
in Chicago, went to Villanova then the Catholic Theological Union.
(14:16):
Is sixty nine years old. Born like I said, I
believe in Chicago. Spent the early part of his career
working for the Augustinians. There has been in Peru for
some time. And again a lot of people scrambling to
learn more about this guy because he kind of came
(14:37):
out of nowhere. He got a math degree from Villanova
in nineteen seventy seven, decided to become a priest and
join the Order of Saint Augustine in September nineteen seventy seven,
and he has been a priest since nineteen eighty two.
(14:58):
And real he has kind of come out of nowhere.
He was sent to Peru. He also has dual citizenship
in Peru as well, and I'm sure that a ton
of information is going to be coming out about him,
but not much had been talked or discussed about. Let's say,
(15:20):
the Wall Street Journal just had a peace come up
about him. Two hundred and sixty seventh pope and the
first from the US, as we said in two thousand
year History of the Papacy, seen as a This is
I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal, seen as a
unifying figure after years of fractious ideological tensions between progressive
(15:45):
and conservative wings of the Catholic Church. This gentleman Leo
the fourteenth now rarely took out spoken stances on the
churches polarizing issues such as celibacy or same sex couples.
It upended conventional wisdom. Like I said, this came out
of nowhere. The conventional wisdom had been that someone being
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elected from the US was impossible because they did not
want someone from America, as powerful as it is, to
rise to this level. And so this is seen as
a huge upset. Sixty nine years old, relatively young for
a pope in some ways, at least in the modern era,
(16:32):
and he has been in the Vatican since January of
twenty twenty three. So this is a major seismic news story,
even for people that were not necessarily paying a ton
of attention to the selection of a pope. To have
the first ever American born pope selected, for a guy
(16:54):
from Chicago who went to Villanova to end up as
the new Pope is pre s jordinary and we will
go when we can get him to Roman ar Raymond Arroyo,
who is there in the Vatican City. The Pope right
now speaking an Italian as he is introduced to the
entirety of the Catholic world. And Trump has already weighed
(17:18):
in saying congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost just named pope.
It's an honor to realize he's the first American Pope.
What excitement, what a great honor for our country. I
look forward to meeting Pope Leo the fourteenth. It will
be a very meaningful moment. That is Donald Trump weighing
(17:38):
in on the major breaking news first American pope ever. Buck,
you're Catholic. I mean, this is what we'd always heard,
was that it was never going to happen, and now
out of nowhere we've got an American Pope.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Very exciting for the flock and for the future of
the church.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Look, we're following the
pope story. Pope Leo the fourteenth has been chosen. We're
following it closely. We're trying to get our man on
the ground in Rome, Raymond Arroyo, to join us to
give us more contact, more background on that. But there's
also another big story in the last twenty four hours
that we just want to bring you up to speed
with and bring you a particular perspective. We know Ed
(19:21):
Martin was up for US Attorney in DC. Tom Tillis
said he wasn't up for supporting him.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Ed Martin, who is the interim US Attorney in Washington, DC,
joins us now. Ed appreciate you making the time. I
know there's a lot of breaking news and stuff.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's an exciting time. Well listen, Clay and Buck.
It's great to be hones with you guys. I enjoy
your program and grateful to talk and especially your great listeners.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Thank you so much. Tell us what happened here. I mean,
just just lay it straight for us, tell us what
the situation was.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yeah, the best thing is this, President Trump offered me
a chance to do something really great. And for one
hundred and twenty days, that was the term, right, that
was the way the law said. And he told me
as far back as last summer he really wanted to
make DC a safe place and two things to make
it safer. So he gave me this job. And I've
been serving as US Attorney, and you know, it's really
(20:16):
cool when he said in the Oval office, you know
ed Ed's done a great job. He drove crime down
twenty five percent. I didn't drive crime down twenty five percent.
Donald Trump did by putting me in a place where
I could do that and I could get our prosecutors
focused on it. So but look, you know, the set
has an advisor and consent role, and the senators and
(20:36):
one of them had reasons he didn't want to. And
I think the President's assessment was, Okay, we're doing the
job we're doing, and there's other places I can make
a difference. And I you know, in the next couple
of hours, I think it'll be there that'll be clear
that I'm not leaving the I'm not leaving the field
of battle. I'm just switching to a different division here.
And and I'm just I'm thrilled. I'm I'm the I'm
(20:56):
you know, I'm the most blessed guy in the world.
It's the greatest city right now. The President is changing
the whole way we see things, and I have a
chance to help bring his vision forward. It's It's been
really fun, and I'm going to keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
The President said in the Oval office that he was
going to be moving you to the Department of Justice.
You may not want to tell us specifically about that,
but does that square with what you expect to happen.
Thanks for coming on with us, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Yeah, no, you bet. Of course I could just tell
you this. I'm not going to get ahead of the president,
but I'm The thing I care about right now is
that we have to fight weaponization of government. In this office.
If you could see, you know, you guys saw some
of the public stuff, but it's like a little bit
like an iceberg. You saw about a third of what
I've been doing. The other two thirds you didn't see.
A weaponization is the biggest problem. That's government used against
(21:42):
the people. That's the laws being used against the citizens
and against our markets and everything else. So I'll just
say this. I'm confident that, you know, Tom Tillis doesn't
get to tell this president what to do. This President's
going to direct us, and I will be in the
fray and it'll be something related to either department. Well
it'll be Department of Justice in some form, I'll say that,
(22:04):
but it'll be great, guys. I mean, and look for
your listeners. They're energized folks. You know, you teach them
and you work with them. This is an ongoing battle
for the future of our country and we've got a
great presence to do it and I'm looking for It's
gonna be fun, It's not gonna be dull.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
We invited Tom Tillis on to talk with us about
why he was choosing not to support your nomination. He
said that publicly, and he said something that as a lawyer,
really bothered me, and we talked about it yesterday on
the program, and that is that he was upset that
you would help to defend January sixth defendants. Well, I
gave money to help with that defense. I think we
(22:41):
wildly over punished January sixth defendants, and whatever you think
about that, you should have the best legal representation possible.
I actually find Tillis's logic really pretty indefensible. Is that
what you understand to have been the difference between being
accepted by him or not?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yeah? Well, I look, you guys. You know, you guys
are big league ballplayers, right, I mean you're you guys
are the New York Yankees. I'm just playing out here
in the sticks double a ball. But I mean, I've
seen how this thing works. And whatever his answer was,
you're right, he talked about that. But as you point out,
look of the weaponization in this country that happened in
the last five or six years, there's nothing more galling
(23:20):
than the use of the of the system, our legal system,
against the citizens, including Donald Trump. And when I sat
with Senator Tillis, who had a great conversation, very long
hour and a half, he had a lot of strong opinions.
But one of the things I said to him was, listen, sir,
they used fifteen twelve, this special charge that was created
after Enron. It was perfected by Andrew Weissman, and he
(23:43):
tried to use it in a Muller investigation, and then
it was used by Merrick Garland and Susan Monico. It
wasn't used by the line attorneys. It was used by
them to target American citizens. And when a bipartisan court
Supreme Court threw it out, you had hundreds of American
citizens who have been held in jail as felons released
(24:05):
instantly because they had not done anything wrong. And my
point to him was, sir, that's not what our system
is supposed to do. That's weaponization against groups. And here's
the thing. They didn't do it just to crush Americans.
They did that, but they did it because they wanted
to get Trump if they could. Look. I'm inside, guys,
I'm seeing the trail they laid out the fifteen twelve.
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They forced plea bargains, They got people to get convicted
one after another, to say to the judges and say
to the courts, the fifteen twelve charge is fine, and
Donald Trump should be charged too, And they charged him,
and only God and a bipartisan Supreme Court stopped us
from having to be living with Donald Trump in prison
on fifteen twelve. So Tom tillis maybe upset about January sixth.
(24:51):
I know enough about victims to know you can't judge
how they got to where they feel. But I do
just think in terms of our system, man, we got
to have an American system that is weaponized against we
the people.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And I just I have to I have to know
because we got a lot of we got a lot
of very upset North Carolina voters yesterday with their senator
after what happened here, did he make it clear to
you in this meeting that he was going to go
to Trump and say that he opposed you taking on
this critical role to clean up the weaponization of government
(25:22):
right in the heart of where it's happening. I mean,
did he did he say that here or did he
kind of leave it open ended and then later on
go to Trump with this?
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yeah? I mean, let me be a little bit respectful
of the process, guys. I mean, maybe I don't maybe
have a reputation because I'm a I'm a fighter, but
I look at it was a long conversation and he
had his concerns, and I thought we had to pass
forward to at least let the process play out where
there was a vote. You know, I hate when people
get away with saying I'm not going to vote. By
the way, let me point to one villain. Chuck Schumer
(25:53):
has employed what should be called the Schumer smear, just
like they had the Pelosi had the wrap around, you know,
wrap around attack. She did. The Schumer smear was to
go out and to say someone's anti Semitic like me,
and to try to drive that and that, and that
guy showed himself to be a broken, broken leader and
in failing and flailing. But so look, I think Senator Tillis,
(26:14):
I don't know why he didn't support me. He did
say nice things about my character and about my ability,
but ultimately, you know, the Senate's going to do what
it's going to do, and the President's going to have
to lead our executive branch in our country.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So we've got cut twenty six. I just want to
play what the President said to you and let you react,
because it's pretty cool the President's praise of you. If
we could play cut twenty six.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
He's a terrific person and he wasn't getting the support
from people that I thought. You know, he's done a
very good job. Crime is down twenty five percent in
DC during this period of time. I'm very disappointed in that,
but I have so many different things that I'm doing
now with the trade. You know, one person, I can
only make poolm I can only lift that little phone
(26:58):
so many times in a day. But we have somebody
else that will be great. I just want to say
it is unbelievable, and hopefully we can bring him into
whether it's DOJ or whatever, in some capacity, because really
outstand to me, it was disappointing. I'll be honest, I
have to be straight. I was disappointed. A lot of
people were disappointed, but that's the way it works sometimes,
(27:19):
you know, that's the way it works. And he wasn't rejected,
but we felt it would be very it would be hard,
and we have somebody else that will be announcing over
the next two days who's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, the good news for you, Ed is Trump has
sort of already set a standard here with the guy
who was his National security advisors now the US Ambasador
the United Nations, which is also a great gig. So
I think, yeah, I think we got something good in
your future. You're a fighter, You're doing great things for
DC and for your country. We appreciate you making the
time today, Sir and we look forward to talking to
you and whatever the next capacity is. We've got some guesses.
(27:52):
We know it's going to be good. Trump's got your back.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Always a pleasure, guys, Thanks Clay, thanks both, appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That was fan. Guys.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
We're gonna dive deep here into the pope situation. Appreciate
Ed Martin being with us. But we're getting obviously a
flurry of everything. Light us up with your calls, your emails,
tell us what you think. The first American pope and Clay,
hopefully we're gonna get Raymond Royo coming up here.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, from Vatican City. Actually, I'm curious. Guy went to
Villanova undergrad, grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I bet some of you know him.
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Welcome Back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show, The New
American Pope, Robert Prevost at Doctor Prevost on Twitter, the
first Pope I can remember who actually had a Twitter
account and has had a Twitter account since twenty eleven,
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Pope Leo the fourteenth an American pope. If you're just
joining us, born in Chicago, went to Villanova, where he
majored in math before he decided to go into the
UH into the priesthood, became a priest in nineteen eighty two.
We are asking you right now, never had this opportunity.
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Some of you may have spent time around him. You
may have had relationships with him in your Catholic churches
over the years. He has been in Peru recently, but
born in Chicago, went to Villanova eight hundred and two
two two eight eight two. Registered Republican has been critical
(30:56):
of Jade Vance and tru somewhat publicly, although again, how
much of this is him trying to stay in the
middle and criticize both sides. In other words, if you
knew that people knew you were a registered Republican and
you were trying to prepare yourself, I don't know. He
(31:19):
is seen as very much a moderate who does not
have strong political opinions, at least not given yet.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
To be fair, he's got a lot of power and
we will see how exactly he uses that power. Now
because he's sixty nine years old, if he stays healthy,
he's probably got a decade plus to be very influential
as the head of the Catholic Church. So did you
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ever think you would see an American pope? You're a Catholic,
did you like, was that a conversation in churches like hey,
with the pope American. Never heard anybody have a conversation
before about not only would be an American pope, but
I haven't heard anyone discuss the need for one rather
or talk about it even as something that would be
a likelihood of possibility. I know there are people who
(32:14):
are disappointed at some level because they wanted Cardinal Sarah,
who is I've seen some clips of him and I
like what I see. But this Pope, we shall have
to see where he is on this.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I mean there's there's the speaking ex cathedra ex cathedra
church doctrinal issues, and then there's what the pope will
say when he's touring the world and when he's doing
interviews and all of this, And I think that there'll
be something of a mix here. I mean, yes, there
are a few areas where the Pope is not going
(32:49):
to align I think with what I believe and what
many of you believe, and he is essentially one who
thinks that America should operate as a refugee camp for
the whole world. This is a place where, unfortunately, I
think the desire for true social justice and to be
(33:11):
kind and to be taking in the poor can swamp
the vote and cause problems. So that's one area where
I don't think you're going to see a lot of
stuff that would make the right particularly happy. But if
he's going to continue on issues of church doctrine where
the church has been, which I think he will, you
won't see priest marrying, You won't see any change on
(33:32):
the LGBTQ stance and gender identity stuff. So yeah, that's
all I think what we're seeing based on the tweets
and some of the stances that he has taken in
the past.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Let me clean up something. There is a report that
he was a registered Republican. Our buddy Ryan Gerdusky says
Illinois doesn't register voters by party. He's not a registered
Republican as a result. He did, however, vote in the
Republican primary several times and models as a likely Republican voter.
(34:06):
That's similar to Tennessee. Like we don't have registered parties here.
I walk in and say, hey, which primary I want
to vote in? So the current New American pope has
voted in Republican primaries historically. According to Ryan Gardusky, that
does not make him. I want to clean that up
a little bit. Because some people are reporting that he's
a registered Republican. That does not make him a registered Republican.
(34:28):
Now again, I mentioned his social media account, which you
and I pulled up and started to look through.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
There is criticism of jd. Vance. There.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
There is some suggestions that he is not a huge
a huge fan of Trump. But also during his tenure
as a bishop in Peru, he said the promotion of
gender ideology is confusing because it seeks to create genders
that don't exist.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So he is not some hey, trans right.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And that's not going to make you particularly welcome in
the modern Democrat party right if you were to take
this into the political realm. Also, the church does not
allow gay marriage or will not marry gays. There's a
lot of stuff about the Catholic Church that is at
clear abortion probably the biggest, one, huge opposition to the Democrats'
(35:23):
core ethos, and yet a lot of Democrats about catholic
I mean so much so that people like Nancy Pelosi
and Joe Biden, who advance godless and even demonic policies,
are proud of talking about how they're devout Catholics. Like, really,
I find that a mockery of the church. But nonetheless
you have Catholics who will go and tout they're both
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Democrats status and Catholicism at the same time, not understanding
that those things are in very clear juxtaposition with each other.
And then people who go, what about Republicans in Wall
Street and the fat cats. That's like the Bernie Sanders
flying around on the private jet while he's talking about
the oligarchy. Yeah, we'll play that when we come back.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
By the way, Charlie Kirk has published his entire voting history.
He has voted in Republican primaries when even when he
was not living abroad, he's had different postings. Charlie Kirk says,
our data shows he's a strong Republican and pro life, so.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
To be pro life. To be clear, Charlie's an evangelical.
Charlie's not a Catholic, so I wouldn't expect him to
know much of Catholic doctrine or maybe he does. I
don't know, but yeah, being pro life is you cannot
be you cannot be a member of the Catholic clergy
and say yeah abortion. So that's I think the gender
ideology thing. That's a quote from the New York Times.
(36:43):
That's a pretty strong statement of sanity from twenty twelve
that I read. So we'll continue to break this down
major news. We've got a American pope, and we'll get
caught up on the latest, including Joe Biden on the
year
All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now we are on Pope Name Watch. We know there
is a pope, a new one has been chosen. The
white smoke has come out. We don't know which one.
As soon as we know, we will let you know.
And Raymond Arroyo of Fox News we talked to yesterday
(00:20):
who is an expert in all the papal candidates and
is in Vatican City right now. He is going to
put down his plate of spaghetti out of meat to
balls and call into us and tell us exactly what
is going on over there. So it's well, not just
the Catholics listening, but to everybody who's curious about the
new pope.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We are on it. We are watching, and as soon.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
As word breaks about who that white smoke smoke represents,
you will have more from us on that, to be sure, yes,
pointing at me. Surging in the gambling markets, Louise Antonio
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(01:05):
For those of you out there who are curious, they
are both still Pietro Perilin big favorite our boy Pizza
Bala is making a little bit of a run now
in the third hole batting not quite clean up, but
everybody else there's only three people that are really getting
(01:28):
any play at all at this point in time, and
I am joining. Some of us are sitting and wondering
who will be Vickers Christ on Earth. Others are sitting
here looking at whether this is going to play out
like the NFL draft, And there'll be some people very disappointed,
you know, not that one cardinal is not going to
get signed to the deal.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He thought.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's going to be very sad about it. But different
approaches to this papal thing. So yes, for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So we will supposedly, on average for people out there,
it takes about forty minutes after the smoke is officially
released for news of who the new pope is to.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
To wind in. So we will see how all that
breaks down.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The smoke will clear in about forty minutes, so we
will let you know. Well, it was forty minutes a
while ago. I don't know what the timing is now,
we'll let you know as soon as we know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
We're on it. We're on and I promise it will
be something to address here as soon as we can.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
All right now, in the meantime, oh my, we have
Joe Biden, who has gone on the View because this
is I think now, is there a more central to
the Democrat base show on television than the View?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm not sure there is.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Morning Joe covered itself in ignominious stupidity in the last
and as the audience is tiny, it's amazing is that
they pay these people millions of dollars on Morning Joe.
Their audience is a fraction, truly a small fraction the
size of the audience that you are all a part
of day in and day out on this show'd Starbucks
(03:12):
sponsors Morning Joe, not sponsoring us? Well, we got crack
at coffee. But Joe Scarborough, I'm sorry, Joe Biden is
on the View. And the dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You've seen this reporting, I'm sure, Clay, the.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Dollars have dried up for the Biden family business. Oh my,
what a shock you mean that when he's not just
able to be a pass through for bribes that people
don't actually care to pay Hunter Biden huge sums of
money to do nothing. Oh my gosh, this is a
shock to no one. But remember the dishonest media, the
(03:47):
same media that told you Biden does not did not
have dementia. Is the media that told you Hunter Biden
went to Yale Law School. Maybe people were just paying
him because he's so smart, right, But then there's this clay,
This is called thirty. Biden was asked would he have
beaten Trump? I'm sure you're all going to want to
(04:08):
hear this one.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Listen, you had previously said that you thought that you
would have won. Since then, Donald Trump won all the
battleground states and made in roads with almost every major demographic,
from working class voters to Hispanic men to black men.
Knowing what you know, now, do you think you would
have beaten him?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
He still got seven minute a fewer votes, yes, yeah, Okay,
a lot of people didn't show up number one, number one,
number two. They're very close in those those toss up states.
It was. It wasn't a slam dunk. And so look,
I you know, every time I've been on the show,
which you've been fortuning, I've been fortunate beyond more than once.
(04:47):
Thanks for having me. Is that we talk. You guys
don't focus on as much. And I think it's good
polling numbers, but thankful this way, he's had the worst
hundred days any presidents ever had.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, that's a fun.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean delusional, but yeah, that's a fact delusional. I
would just say this though, Clay, I actually.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is where we I'm not trying to re litigate this, Okay.
I think that they were dumb to abandon Biden in
favor of Kamala. Like, even with what happened, I really
do believe that. I think Trump still would have won,
but I think it might have been a little bit tighter.
There's also the question of.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Seven million more votes. Seven million more votes really.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, that's first of all, not even true in twenty
twenty four, because Trump got seventy seven million votes and
I think Kamala got like seventy five and or seventy
four point eight or something like that the final numbers.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But she got I guess, quite a lot less votes.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think even Democrats are having a hard time explaining
how Joe Biden got eighty one million votes in twenty twenty.
You notice they don't really talk about rigged elections anymore,
or twenty twenty at all.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That story just kind of vanished.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I think when you look at the Trump era and
you compare Biden, let's say twenty twenty, with Obama twenty twelve,
with Trump sixteen, twenty and twenty four. There's only one
election in the twenty first century that you look at
the vote totals and you're like, boy, something's really out
(06:21):
of whack here, and it is Biden twenty twenty, a
president that was never very popular, suddenly, out of nowhere,
gets twelve million more votes than the best Barack Obama
ever did. The only person I think that believes that
that was one hundred percent legitimate maybe Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And that's because his brain doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
How how could you if that is something that everybody
had so much faith in, How could you abandon the
guy who is still the guy who got by far
the most votes of any president in the history of
the country.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
If you look at this from the Democrat point of view,
he is the high water mark, more so than Obama
by far.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Buck It's sixty nine million, I believe, was the most
votes that Obama ever got. In two thousand and eight,
Biden got twelve million more than the best Obama ever did.
Even if you control for population growth, you know, the
increase in population since then.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I don't know, maybe the illegals.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Even if you do all that, that is an enormous,
an enormous gap between Biden and Obama, and there was
an enormous gap between Biden and Kamala. So we are
to believe that in the twenty first century, Joe Biden
is by far the dementia patient is the most compelling
(07:46):
Democrat who has ever run for office by far.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
That is a hard thing to say out loud and not.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Start to burrow your brow a little bit and go, hmmm, really,
that's what we're all.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Supposed to believe.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So now we get into you know, Biden and his
current position and what he's saying about all this stuff.
He's got to do this, this cleanup because no one
cares about Biden when he's not able to sell his office,
which is what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He was selling access to his office.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And you know Biden, when he's trying to explain how
could Trump have beaten Kamala, this has cut twenty nine Clay.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He goes right to sexism.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Democrats were feeling optimistic about the vice president's chances of
winning the presidency, but then election night came and it
was like twenty sixteen all over again. So why do
you think the vice president lost? And were you surprised?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I wasn't surprised, Not because I didn't think the vice
president most qualified person to be president. She is, she's
qualified to be president nine states of America. Well, I
was surprised. I wasn't surprised because they went the root
of the sexistirt of the whole room. I mean, this
is a woman, she's this, she's a I mean really,
I've never seen quite as successful and a consistent campaign
(09:11):
under cutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country,
and a woman of mixed trace.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
He's just he's not I mean, he's not of sound mind.
And you can tell when he's talking about this, it's
just blatherclay. It makes no what he says makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And well, by the way, the Pope, we got the
Pope buck and it is.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
A great upset.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Cardinal Robert Prevost elected Pope Leo the fourteenth. The announcement
is now out there. This guy completely off the board
in terms of the gambling odds, and we need to
do quick research. Let's get get our bud Raymond Arroyo up.
(09:58):
This is Gurdusky just retweeted this, Robert Prevost. I'm gonna
look him up because I don't remember him even being
widely discussed in the in the run up to who
was going to potentially be the next pope. So he's
coming a little bit off the board. And uh, let's see,
(10:22):
I'm just trying to read about Prevos Pope Leo the fourteenth. Interesting,
I had not Did we even talk about this guy
with Raymond yesterday?
Speaker 7 (10:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
He Raymond did not even meet him, and he came
off the board. I mean I'm looking at you know,
I've been following it on the gambling odds. This guy,
Uh he's a Is he from the US? I think
I'm learning about him in real time right now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, let's go to Brake. Let's go to get Raymond
to tell you everything.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
We're gonna get Raymond on Uh he is from the
United States, Buck. According to what I am seeing on
social media, this is would be the first pope ever
for from the United States, American. This is American Pope.
Robert Francis Prevost has been announced. Nobody saw that coming.
(11:11):
He had a He's from Chicago, percent chance, Chicago, Chicago
with the pope.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, out of nowhere, originally from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Historic serves as the head of the church's Dicastery for Bishops.
Powerful position means he oversees the selection of new bishops. Yeah,
that's he's We got a Chicago guy. So not not
Pope Pizza Bagel, but Pope Chicago.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Very exciting. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Who would have known, sixty nine year old from Chicago
seen as a compromise candidate. We have an American pope.
So maybe we're making America great again and also the
world great again with an American pope. This is amazing.
So we will talk about this when we come. But again,
(12:01):
breaking news.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Robert Francis Prevost the first ever United States pope.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's a big deal. This is even two hundred and
sixty six pope so far, not a single one from America.
So we got an American pope. Everybody, this is big.
This is bigger news than I was expecting today, no doubt,
and I think this is great news for American Catholics,
the Catholic Church, Christianity more broadly, Western civilization. We'll get
(12:30):
into all of that here coming up momentarily. But Leo
the fourteenth, with the win on this one and all right,
God bless. Okay, Some folks speculate that we may see
something massive on a national scale, the creation of a
first ever sovereign wealth fund for the whole country. There
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, major
breaking news. The first ever American born Pope Robert Francis Prevost.
He has taken the name Pope Leo the fourteenth. Born
in Chicago, went to Villanova then the Catholic Theological Union.
(14:16):
Is sixty nine years old. Born like I said, I
believe in Chicago. Spent the early part of his career
working for the Augustinians. There has been in Peru for
some time. And again a lot of people scrambling to
learn more about this guy because he kind of came
(14:37):
out of nowhere. He got a math degree from Villanova
in nineteen seventy seven, decided to become a priest and
join the Order of Saint Augustine in September nineteen seventy seven,
and he has been a priest since nineteen eighty two.
(14:58):
And real he has kind of come out of nowhere.
He was sent to Peru. He also has dual citizenship
in Peru as well, and I'm sure that a ton
of information is going to be coming out about him,
but not much had been talked or discussed about. Let's say,
(15:20):
the Wall Street Journal just had a peace come up
about him. Two hundred and sixty seventh pope and the
first from the US, as we said in two thousand
year History of the Papacy, seen as a This is
I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal, seen as a
unifying figure after years of fractious ideological tensions between progressive
(15:45):
and conservative wings of the Catholic Church. This gentleman Leo
the fourteenth now rarely took out spoken stances on the
churches polarizing issues such as celibacy or same sex couples.
It upended conventional wisdom. Like I said, this came out
of nowhere. The conventional wisdom had been that someone being
(16:08):
elected from the US was impossible because they did not
want someone from America, as powerful as it is, to
rise to this level. And so this is seen as
a huge upset. Sixty nine years old, relatively young for
a pope in some ways, at least in the modern era,
(16:32):
and he has been in the Vatican since January of
twenty twenty three. So this is a major seismic news story,
even for people that were not necessarily paying a ton
of attention to the selection of a pope. To have
the first ever American born pope selected, for a guy
(16:54):
from Chicago who went to Villanova to end up as
the new Pope is pre s jordinary and we will
go when we can get him to Roman ar Raymond Arroyo,
who is there in the Vatican City. The Pope right
now speaking an Italian as he is introduced to the
entirety of the Catholic world. And Trump has already weighed
(17:18):
in saying congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost just named pope.
It's an honor to realize he's the first American Pope.
What excitement, what a great honor for our country. I
look forward to meeting Pope Leo the fourteenth. It will
be a very meaningful moment. That is Donald Trump weighing
(17:38):
in on the major breaking news first American pope ever. Buck,
you're Catholic. I mean, this is what we'd always heard,
was that it was never going to happen, and now
out of nowhere we've got an American Pope.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Very exciting for the flock and for the future of
the church.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I am looking forward to learning more about this individ
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Look, we're following the
pope story. Pope Leo the fourteenth has been chosen. We're
following it closely. We're trying to get our man on
the ground in Rome, Raymond Arroyo, to join us to
give us more contact, more background on that. But there's
also another big story in the last twenty four hours
that we just want to bring you up to speed
with and bring you a particular perspective. We know Ed
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Martin was up for US Attorney in DC. Tom Tillis
said he wasn't up for supporting him.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Ed Martin, who is the interim US Attorney in Washington, DC,
joins us now. Ed appreciate you making the time. I
know there's a lot of breaking news and stuff.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's an exciting time. Well listen, Clay and Buck.
It's great to be hones with you guys. I enjoy
your program and grateful to talk and especially your great listeners.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Thank you so much. Tell us what happened here. I mean,
just just lay it straight for us, tell us what
the situation was.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yeah, the best thing is this, President Trump offered me
a chance to do something really great. And for one
hundred and twenty days, that was the term, right, that
was the way the law said. And he told me
as far back as last summer he really wanted to
make DC a safe place and two things to make
it safer. So he gave me this job. And I've
been serving as US Attorney, and you know, it's really
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cool when he said in the Oval office, you know
ed Ed's done a great job. He drove crime down
twenty five percent. I didn't drive crime down twenty five percent.
Donald Trump did by putting me in a place where
I could do that and I could get our prosecutors
focused on it. So but look, you know, the set
has an advisor and consent role, and the senators and
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one of them had reasons he didn't want to. And
I think the President's assessment was, Okay, we're doing the
job we're doing, and there's other places I can make
a difference. And I you know, in the next couple
of hours, I think it'll be there that'll be clear
that I'm not leaving the I'm not leaving the field
of battle. I'm just switching to a different division here.
And and I'm just I'm thrilled. I'm I'm the I'm
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you know, I'm the most blessed guy in the world.
It's the greatest city right now. The President is changing
the whole way we see things, and I have a
chance to help bring his vision forward. It's It's been
really fun, and I'm going to keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
The President said in the Oval office that he was
going to be moving you to the Department of Justice.
You may not want to tell us specifically about that,
but does that square with what you expect to happen.
Thanks for coming on with us, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Yeah, no, you bet. Of course I could just tell
you this. I'm not going to get ahead of the president,
but I'm The thing I care about right now is
that we have to fight weaponization of government. In this office.
If you could see, you know, you guys saw some
of the public stuff, but it's like a little bit
like an iceberg. You saw about a third of what
I've been doing. The other two thirds you didn't see.
A weaponization is the biggest problem. That's government used against
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the people. That's the laws being used against the citizens
and against our markets and everything else. So I'll just
say this. I'm confident that, you know, Tom Tillis doesn't
get to tell this president what to do. This President's
going to direct us, and I will be in the
fray and it'll be something related to either department. Well
it'll be Department of Justice in some form, I'll say that,
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but it'll be great, guys. I mean, and look for
your listeners. They're energized folks. You know, you teach them
and you work with them. This is an ongoing battle
for the future of our country and we've got a
great presence to do it and I'm looking for It's
gonna be fun, It's not gonna be dull.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
We invited Tom Tillis on to talk with us about
why he was choosing not to support your nomination. He
said that publicly, and he said something that as a lawyer,
really bothered me, and we talked about it yesterday on
the program, and that is that he was upset that
you would help to defend January sixth defendants. Well, I
gave money to help with that defense. I think we
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wildly over punished January sixth defendants, and whatever you think
about that, you should have the best legal representation possible.
I actually find Tillis's logic really pretty indefensible. Is that
what you understand to have been the difference between being
accepted by him or not?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yeah? Well, I look, you guys. You know, you guys
are big league ballplayers, right, I mean you're you guys
are the New York Yankees. I'm just playing out here
in the sticks double a ball. But I mean, I've
seen how this thing works. And whatever his answer was,
you're right, he talked about that. But as you point out,
look of the weaponization in this country that happened in
the last five or six years, there's nothing more galling
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than the use of the of the system, our legal system,
against the citizens, including Donald Trump. And when I sat
with Senator Tillis, who had a great conversation, very long
hour and a half, he had a lot of strong opinions.
But one of the things I said to him was, listen, sir,
they used fifteen twelve, this special charge that was created
after Enron. It was perfected by Andrew Weissman, and he
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tried to use it in a Muller investigation, and then
it was used by Merrick Garland and Susan Monico. It
wasn't used by the line attorneys. It was used by
them to target American citizens. And when a bipartisan court
Supreme Court threw it out, you had hundreds of American
citizens who have been held in jail as felons released
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instantly because they had not done anything wrong. And my
point to him was, sir, that's not what our system
is supposed to do. That's weaponization against groups. And here's
the thing. They didn't do it just to crush Americans.
They did that, but they did it because they wanted
to get Trump if they could. Look. I'm inside, guys,
I'm seeing the trail they laid out the fifteen twelve.
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They forced plea bargains, They got people to get convicted
one after another, to say to the judges and say
to the courts, the fifteen twelve charge is fine, and
Donald Trump should be charged too, And they charged him,
and only God and a bipartisan Supreme Court stopped us
from having to be living with Donald Trump in prison
on fifteen twelve. So Tom tillis maybe upset about January sixth.
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I know enough about victims to know you can't judge
how they got to where they feel. But I do
just think in terms of our system, man, we got
to have an American system that is weaponized against we
the people.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And I just I have to I have to know
because we got a lot of we got a lot
of very upset North Carolina voters yesterday with their senator
after what happened here, did he make it clear to
you in this meeting that he was going to go
to Trump and say that he opposed you taking on
this critical role to clean up the weaponization of government
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right in the heart of where it's happening. I mean,
did he did he say that here or did he
kind of leave it open ended and then later on
go to Trump with this?
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yeah? I mean, let me be a little bit respectful
of the process, guys. I mean, maybe I don't maybe
have a reputation because I'm a I'm a fighter, but
I look at it was a long conversation and he
had his concerns, and I thought we had to pass
forward to at least let the process play out where
there was a vote. You know, I hate when people
get away with saying I'm not going to vote. By
the way, let me point to one villain. Chuck Schumer
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has employed what should be called the Schumer smear, just
like they had the Pelosi had the wrap around, you know,
wrap around attack. She did. The Schumer smear was to
go out and to say someone's anti Semitic like me,
and to try to drive that and that, and that
guy showed himself to be a broken, broken leader and
in failing and flailing. But so look, I think Senator Tillis,
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I don't know why he didn't support me. He did
say nice things about my character and about my ability,
but ultimately, you know, the Senate's going to do what
it's going to do, and the President's going to have
to lead our executive branch in our country.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So we've got cut twenty six. I just want to
play what the President said to you and let you react,
because it's pretty cool the President's praise of you. If
we could play cut twenty six.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
He's a terrific person and he wasn't getting the support
from people that I thought. You know, he's done a
very good job. Crime is down twenty five percent in
DC during this period of time. I'm very disappointed in that,
but I have so many different things that I'm doing
now with the trade. You know, one person, I can
only make poolm I can only lift that little phone
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so many times in a day. But we have somebody
else that will be great. I just want to say
it is unbelievable, and hopefully we can bring him into
whether it's DOJ or whatever, in some capacity, because really
outstand to me, it was disappointing. I'll be honest, I
have to be straight. I was disappointed. A lot of
people were disappointed, but that's the way it works sometimes,
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you know, that's the way it works. And he wasn't rejected,
but we felt it would be very it would be hard,
and we have somebody else that will be announcing over
the next two days who's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, the good news for you, Ed is Trump has
sort of already set a standard here with the guy
who was his National security advisors now the US Ambasador
the United Nations, which is also a great gig. So
I think, yeah, I think we got something good in
your future. You're a fighter, You're doing great things for
DC and for your country. We appreciate you making the
time today, Sir and we look forward to talking to
you and whatever the next capacity is. We've got some guesses.
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We know it's going to be good. Trump's got your back.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Always a pleasure, guys, Thanks Clay, thanks both, appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That was fan. Guys.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
We're gonna dive deep here into the pope situation. Appreciate
Ed Martin being with us. But we're getting obviously a
flurry of everything. Light us up with your calls, your emails,
tell us what you think. The first American pope and Clay,
hopefully we're gonna get Raymond Royo coming up here.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, from Vatican City. Actually, I'm curious. Guy went to
Villanova undergrad, grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I bet some of you know him.
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Pope Leo the fourteenth an American pope. If you're just
joining us, born in Chicago, went to Villanova, where he
majored in math before he decided to go into the
UH into the priesthood, became a priest in nineteen eighty two.
We are asking you right now, never had this opportunity.
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Some of you may have spent time around him. You
may have had relationships with him in your Catholic churches
over the years. He has been in Peru recently, but
born in Chicago, went to Villanova eight hundred and two
two two eight eight two. Registered Republican has been critical
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of Jade Vance and tru somewhat publicly, although again, how
much of this is him trying to stay in the
middle and criticize both sides. In other words, if you
knew that people knew you were a registered Republican and
you were trying to prepare yourself, I don't know. He
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is seen as very much a moderate who does not
have strong political opinions, at least not given yet.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
To be fair, he's got a lot of power and
we will see how exactly he uses that power. Now
because he's sixty nine years old, if he stays healthy,
he's probably got a decade plus to be very influential
as the head of the Catholic Church. So did you
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ever think you would see an American pope? You're a Catholic,
did you like, was that a conversation in churches like hey,
with the pope American. Never heard anybody have a conversation
before about not only would be an American pope, but
I haven't heard anyone discuss the need for one rather
or talk about it even as something that would be
a likelihood of possibility. I know there are people who
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are disappointed at some level because they wanted Cardinal Sarah,
who is I've seen some clips of him and I
like what I see. But this Pope, we shall have
to see where he is on this.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I mean there's there's the speaking ex cathedra ex cathedra
church doctrinal issues, and then there's what the pope will
say when he's touring the world and when he's doing
interviews and all of this, And I think that there'll
be something of a mix here. I mean, yes, there
are a few areas where the Pope is not going
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to align I think with what I believe and what
many of you believe, and he is essentially one who
thinks that America should operate as a refugee camp for
the whole world. This is a place where, unfortunately, I
think the desire for true social justice and to be
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kind and to be taking in the poor can swamp
the vote and cause problems. So that's one area where
I don't think you're going to see a lot of
stuff that would make the right particularly happy. But if
he's going to continue on issues of church doctrine where
the church has been, which I think he will, you
won't see priest marrying, You won't see any change on
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the LGBTQ stance and gender identity stuff. So yeah, that's
all I think what we're seeing based on the tweets
and some of the stances that he has taken in
the past.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Let me clean up something. There is a report that
he was a registered Republican. Our buddy Ryan Gerdusky says
Illinois doesn't register voters by party. He's not a registered
Republican as a result. He did, however, vote in the
Republican primary several times and models as a likely Republican voter.
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That's similar to Tennessee. Like we don't have registered parties here.
I walk in and say, hey, which primary I want
to vote in? So the current New American pope has
voted in Republican primaries historically. According to Ryan Gardusky, that
does not make him. I want to clean that up
a little bit. Because some people are reporting that he's
a registered Republican. That does not make him a registered Republican.
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Now again, I mentioned his social media account, which you
and I pulled up and started to look through.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
There is criticism of jd. Vance. There.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
There is some suggestions that he is not a huge
a huge fan of Trump. But also during his tenure
as a bishop in Peru, he said the promotion of
gender ideology is confusing because it seeks to create genders
that don't exist.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So he is not some hey, trans right.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And that's not going to make you particularly welcome in
the modern Democrat party right if you were to take
this into the political realm. Also, the church does not
allow gay marriage or will not marry gays. There's a
lot of stuff about the Catholic Church that is at
clear abortion probably the biggest, one, huge opposition to the Democrats'
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core ethos, and yet a lot of Democrats about catholic
I mean so much so that people like Nancy Pelosi
and Joe Biden, who advance godless and even demonic policies,
are proud of talking about how they're devout Catholics. Like, really,
I find that a mockery of the church. But nonetheless
you have Catholics who will go and tout they're both
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Democrats status and Catholicism at the same time, not understanding
that those things are in very clear juxtaposition with each other.
And then people who go, what about Republicans in Wall
Street and the fat cats. That's like the Bernie Sanders
flying around on the private jet while he's talking about
the oligarchy. Yeah, we'll play that when we come back.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
By the way, Charlie Kirk has published his entire voting history.
He has voted in Republican primaries when even when he
was not living abroad, he's had different postings. Charlie Kirk says,
our data shows he's a strong Republican and pro life, so.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
To be pro life. To be clear, Charlie's an evangelical.
Charlie's not a Catholic, so I wouldn't expect him to
know much of Catholic doctrine or maybe he does. I
don't know, but yeah, being pro life is you cannot
be you cannot be a member of the Catholic clergy
and say yeah abortion. So that's I think the gender
ideology thing. That's a quote from the New York Times.
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That's a pretty strong statement of sanity from twenty twelve
that I read. So we'll continue to break this down
major news. We've got a American pope, and we'll get
caught up on the latest, including Joe Biden on the
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