September 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into the heated Virginia governor’s race, highlighting the stark contrast between Republican candidate Winsome Sears and Democrat Abigail Spanberger. The hosts warn that Spanberger, portrayed as a moderate, is a “Trojan horse” for radical left policies, drawing parallels to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign strategy. They revisit the cultural flashpoints that propelled Glenn Youngkin to victory in 2021, including parental rights in education and school policies on gender identity.
The discussion intensifies with breaking reports from Northern Virginia and Fairfax County, where controversial transgender locker room policies have sparked outrage. Clay and Buck detail shocking incidents involving biological males in girls’ locker rooms, including a registered sex offender allegedly exposing himself and engaging in lewd acts in an Arlington high school. Another case involves a teenage boy with facial hair reportedly watching girls undress in a Fairfax County locker room. The hosts argue these incidents exemplify the dangers of gender identity policies and accuse Democrats of refusing to condemn such behavior to appease activist groups.
In the second half of the hour, the focus shifts to health policy as Dr. Mehmet Oz, now serving as CMS Administrator under President Trump and HHS Secretary RFK Jr., joins the show. Dr. Oz discusses groundbreaking developments in autism research, including promising results from leucovorin therapy for children and emerging concerns about acetaminophen (Tylenol) use during pregnancy. He emphasizes transparency in government health data and warns against overusing medications during pregnancy.
The conversation explores the alarming rise in autism rates—now estimated at 1 in 31 children—and potential environmental and lifestyle factors, including allergies, chemical exposure, and older parental age. Dr. Oz underscores the need for urgent research and public awareness, noting that autism prevalence has increased fivefold in 25 years.
The hour closes with lighter commentary on cultural topics, including comedian Nate Bargatze’s record-breaking tour, praised for its clean humor and mainstream appeal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
(00:03):
of you hanging out with us. Going to get into
some of this news that's coming out of Virginia as
the governor's race there heats up. But our buddy from
Long Island, who ran into the exit of the of
the show, says he's going to get to his point
fast here. Appreciate Yes, Steve, you were talking about the
(00:26):
Inherit the Win movie and the argument there right right.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Thank you for giving me a time. Yeah. What the
quote comes down to is that the final argument and
Spencer Tracy's preaching to the judge. He said, don't you
understand fanaticism and ignorance need feeding and off ever busy
and if you think about what we're dealing with, and
anybody with an objective mind has got to be able
to say, who's really preaching to the fanatics here? And
(00:53):
the second quote, I know you got quick famous another famous.
The likelihood of an individual being right in this is
in direct proportion to the depths of adversaries sink too
when they try to prove them wrong. If two and
two is not for show me what it is, don't
call me a fascist And I haven't seen anybody be
able to logically attack even one President Trump's policies, even
(01:15):
in this term or the previous term. And I just
hope that the average American tax payer, people that cat
to bills, they keep this country running, has the ability
to see the farthest for the trees. Thank you guys,
keeping up man, great job all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, well said all right, Buck, I want to hit
you with this going on in Virginia right now. If
you remember in twenty twenty one, and this is going
back in the time machine a little bit, Glenn young
Cain caught fire down the stretch run of his campaign
because of all of the craziness coming out of Northern
(01:51):
Virginia schools. And if I remember correctly, Terry mccauloff had
a I think he just told the truth, but he said, basically,
schools don't belong to the parents.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It was paraphrasing him a little bit, but the idea
was parents shouldn't be super involved in the schools that
they go to. And there was this huge groundswell of
support for Glenn Youngkin in his campaign as people said
this is just wrong and the people were fed up,
and Glenn Youngkin swept into office. Remember, you cannot run
(02:27):
for consecutive terms as governor of Virginia, so it's a
little bit of a quirk in the calendar. In addition
to the fact that Virginia and New Jersey have their
elections one year after presidential elections. Off years, so to speak,
you can't run for reelection. I think Glenn Youngkin, if
he could, would win reelection quite comfortably. I want to
(02:49):
give a credit to this guy again. Nick Minnock is
a local news reporter that has actually been doing shocker
news reporting and he has been trying to get Abigail Spanberger,
the governor, the would be governor of the Democrat side,
the Democrat nominee running, to just take a stand on
whether men should be able to compete in women's sports.
(03:10):
And we played you the Kamala Harris like word salad
of Abigail Spanberger's answer to that question. Recently. They also
though it's not just men and women's sports. If you
are a man in northern Virginia and you identify as
a woman, you are able to go into women's locker
rooms and use them. And this is from Nick Minnock,
(03:34):
who is a local news reporter at WJLA in the
DC area in the Northern Virginia area. This is his tweet.
Listen to this buck right now. Registered sex offender Richard
Cox an interesting name. There isn't when you hear what happened?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
In Arlington court hearing where women are testifying they saw
this man nate kid in Arlington high school girls' locker rooms. Okay,
they this guy says he's a woman in court asked
the judge to tell the prosecutor to stop misgendering him.
(04:13):
One woman has testified that when she walked into this
girl's high school locker room in Arlington, Virginia after swim class,
her young daughter saw this man engaging an inappropriate behavior
in a shower stall with the curtain open. Well he
(04:34):
was masturbating, she said. Her young daughter was with her.
They walked in. This man, who pretends that he is
a woman, is using Arlington bathrooms and Arlington public schools
allow people to use locker rooms and bathrooms based on
their gender identity. Buck, this is a registered sex offender,
(04:58):
a man the picture here, I retweeted it in Northern Virginia.
He is going into girls' locker rooms. Look, young kids
are coming in. He's publicly masturbating in these bathrooms, and Arlington,
Northern Virginia is saying, well, he identifies as a woman,
so he should have access to these bathrooms. This is bonkers.
(05:24):
This is what Abigail Spamberger supports, the idea of gender
identity being exploited frankly like this, and young people being
taken advantage of.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I hope that the Republicans in the state of Virginia
will raise this and make sure that a lot of
people hear the noise about what's going on around this.
It is unconscionable, it is disgraceful, and it is Democrat orthodoxy.
They will not condemn this. The way they try to
(05:55):
get around this is well, it's exactly that they just
won't really speak to it one way or another. They'll
use some bromide, they'll use some some pablem about well,
you know, complicated issue and competing rights and we want
to be you know, courteous and all this stuff. Remember,
we got to this point because Democrats were able to
(06:17):
at first just shame people with why don't you just
be nice? Why aren't you just willing to make this accommodation.
And now we are where many of us said in
the very beginning we would be, which is democrats saying, look,
if the dangerous sex offender man wants to be naked
and around your you know, your your teenage daughter while
she's changing in the that's the price we have to
(06:40):
pay for a society that has transgender rights. Now, I
want everyone to be very clear, this is not a
Democrat fringed position. This is Democrat orthodoxy. The people will
refuse to talk about it for their own political reasons.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Who are Democrats. They will evade, but they will bill
not condemned.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yes, you absolutely will not get them to condemn this.
You will not see it because the second a Democrat
does that, the activist, lunatic twenty percent of the country
is going to be all over them. And they don't
care about any one election. They care about the national,
uh international push to make this stuff mandatory.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So this is listening.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If you're listening to us in Virginia right now, I've
sent in the cuts on this. You know in Virginia, Buck,
you've spent time there because you had family in the
Charlottesville area.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Virginia hille and my uncle lives in Charlottesville.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I know, Charlottesville is a fascinating state because it
and I've been all over. But if you go to
southwest Virginia, it is you are basically in the reddest
area of America. Southwestern Virginia, northern Virginia. You might as
well be in New York City Arlington.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Virginia is an extension of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
In all but name, and so the cultural clash there
is pretty pronounced in a state that is turning purplish.
Trump lost Virginia by five points. If you are voting
in Virginia right now, you need to understand that they
are trying to run and you know this well Buck
(08:29):
Abigail Svanberger as the most moderate, middle of the road
Democrat candidate. They are trying to turn her into Joe
Biden in twenty twenty. She is a sheep, a wolf
in sheep's clothing. She will get in and she will
absolutely run the most left wing policies imaginable in the
(08:54):
state of Virginia. So if you like the rational business,
first reason leadership from Glenn Youngkin in Virginia, there is
no connection whatsoever to Abigail Spanberger and Glenn Youngkin in
fact wins some seers. Who is running as the lieutenant
governor and is running to be the governor is by
(09:16):
far the rational, reasonable choice for middle of the road
people out there. And this is Is this the cut
that I just sent in producer Greg? Is this the
one that Okay, they're working on that one. Here is
last night Glenn Youngkin was at a Turning Point USA
(09:37):
event and he is speaking to all the young men
there and young women. This is cut twenty nine. Virginia Tech.
Huge turnout for a Turning Point USA event on their
campus in Blacksburg, Virginia.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
This is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Who will be the next Charlie?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And as I look out in this room and I
see thousand, I want to repeat the best answer that
I have heard.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You will be the next Charlie, all of you.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And that is something to take home tonight.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
He's also a very we don't talk about him very much,
but he's another highly competent Republican and he's doing a
very good job in a purple state as a governor and.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
A very popular He's a very popular governor. He would
win re election based on his leadership. So I guess
that's the argument I'm trying to make here, when some
seers will continue the policies that have been very popular
in the state of Virginia implemented by Glenn Youngkin because
he is term limited out after only one term from
being able to run. Interestingly, Buck, in Virginia, you can
(10:53):
run again, but you just have can't have consecutive terms.
Very quirky uh setup that they have there. And so
if you are happy in Virginia with the direction your
state has gone in the last four years, you need
to be voting for win some seers, And I think
much like what we saw happen in the late days
(11:14):
of the twenty twenty one campaign when Glenn Youngkin kind
of caught fire because the craziness of northern Virginia. As
you mentioned, it's basically Washington, d c. Right across the
Potomac River. There a lot of people who are rational, reasonable,
common sense Leyden Virginians are looking around and saying, wait
a minute, like this is crazy. We got guys showing
(11:38):
up in girls' bathrooms pretending that they're girls, and little
girls are walking in and they're exposing themselves. This is
this is whatever your politics are, this is indefensible. And
so what they'll do is just have Alison Spenberger not
address this, that's right, refusing to answer basic questions, just this,
(12:00):
just keep going.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And so then people say, well, she's a moderate, right, okay,
we'll handle this later. Or she's not. No, she is
not a moderate. She is a trojan horse for a
radical left Democrat party. And this is what they do
in purple states. They put people forward so they can say, well,
they're not really a Democrat. You know, they're not one
of those Democrats. They're a different kind of Democrat. And
(12:21):
then when they win, you know what happens. You get
AOC policies. You get AOC policies. That's exactly the game
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Hi right, Welcome back in. We just talked about this.
Before we get to our.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Conversation with doctor Oz about the big announcement on the
health roum this week, let's hear from Nick Minnock about
the report of a man in a girl's locker room
in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Here's that report playing.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Over the course of the past few weeks, students and
parents have reported that a boy watched girls undress multiple
times in the girl's locker room at Fairfax County's West
Springfield High School. That's according to the nonprofit Defense of
Freedom Institute, which sent this complaint asking the US Department
of Education to investigate Fairfax County and Public schools actions
(14:46):
and response, and to consider sanctions against the school district.
The complaint says a female student changing in the girls
locker room at school saw a boy with facial hair
standing in the locker room watching her and other girls undress.
She says when she complained to a teacher, the teacher
said there was nothing she could do about it. Fairfax
(15:06):
County Public Schools has said that their transgender locker room
policies are protected by a four Circuit Court of Appeals decision,
but this summer, the US Department of Education said those
policies violate Title nine, and the department is threatening to
withhold federal funds from fcps if they don't reverse their policies.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, this is crazy that this could even be happening.
This guy, the boy should be arrested. I mean, is
there anybody out there that disagrees that has a functional brain.
The fact that the response to a girl saying a
grown you know, or teenage boy who has a facial
hair is hanging out in the girl's bathroom, in the
(15:50):
locker room and just watching girls change, I mean, like
this is stalker behavior, This is illegal behavior for I
think anybody out there this is and the response being, oh,
this is the policy that we have in place, there's
nothing we can do about it is just insane.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Well, it also brings up what has been a big
problem with the argument over Frans rights and the transigenda
all along, which is that they say, why can't you
just be nice? And then you have to point out
this is very not nice. This is really bad what's
going on here. So the desire to be nice, meaning oh,
I want I want everyone to feel affirmed and I
(16:28):
want everyone to feel like, you know, their choices are
being respected, leads to this.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
This is a straight line.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
It leads to, well, you know, if some guy is
going to be changing with the girls, like, that's just
the way that it is. We've known this all along,
and it's not nice. It's mean to these girls. If
that was your daughter or that was your wife in
that locker room, if it was mine or yours, play,
we would be.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I mean, it's just totally unacceptable. I mean I would be.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Maybe guys whould get dragged out.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The guy should get dragged out, put into handcuffs, and
he should go to prison and be immediately charged with
all of those all those offenses.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
This is not a difficult case.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And what I would sum it up by saying buck is,
at some point tolerance becomes intolerance because you're moving from Okay,
I'm going to tolerate all of these trans demands, and
then you become intolerant of women saying no, this is
not right.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Women have to take back their public spaces, and you
have to be willing for people to say mean things
about you. This is why I think people like JK.
Rowling are so incredibly important Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say who
have spoken out aggressively against this as women, because the
trans community is taking advantage of the natural kindness of women.
(17:47):
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there's no man who used to be a woman that's
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Speaker 5 (18:52):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined now by
doctor Oz, doctor Medman oz Or as the Administrator for
the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services under HHS Secretary
RFK Junior and President Trump. Doctor Oz, Welcome to the show.
Is always good to.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
Talk to you, good talkers always. It's been an active week.
I says, like, you want to speak a bit about
autism and what might work.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Yeah, let's talk about autism and the tail and all
situation here, Doc, what is actually what do we know?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
What is being recommended? What is actually going on?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And let's just stay as tight to the facts as
we can on this one, because there's a lot of
passion around this topic.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
There is let's take a step back for one second
and just make it really clear there is no political
benefit to President Trump talking about this. This is a
hostscale departure from what historically has happened with data within government,
which is we perhaps the role cake process. You don't
really know what we know. Eventually we figured it all
out and tell you the best we can. We saw
that that in covid at backfires when moms think that
(19:57):
they're gas lighting, they're being gas lit. They're not getting
access to data. So the President charged all of US
sector Kennedy leading the process with just breaking all the silos,
breaking the barriers, just do the work and release the
information when you have it. This is the first example.
There'll be future ones. So let's go over the data.
Fifty million dollars is put into a process to try
(20:20):
to research autism, say about a shark at. The nih
has been allocating that money in grants along the way
studying what's going on with autism and discovered two signals,
two leads that were intriguing enough that after a lot
of discussion, we were decided to share with the American people.
The first had to do with a prescription medication called lucuvorn,
(20:41):
which no one's ever heard of, but prescription lucuvorn is
essentially a way of getting B vitamins into the brains
of children. Why is that a problem. We believe that
there's a fair amount of pathology around B vitamins in
the brains of kids who have autism. That's one of
the reasons their brain get cloudy, foggy, they can't really
us as information, they don't learn to speak right. And
(21:02):
so if we can reverse that problem, which is caused
by their genes in some cases that we know of,
and by antibodies blocking those receptors, those pathways into the brain,
and others, that would make a difference. It turns out
with a couple of hundred kids in different small studies
that about half the kids seem to benefit when given
this medication. Correctly, it's not perfect. We don't know enough
(21:24):
about it to make broader promises. But I asked the
key question, claim buck both, you just tell me that
if you just resonates with you. I asked the question
everyone should ask their doctor, would you do it for
your kid? And the answer I got over and over
again was yes. We don't know for sure, but because
it's so safe and the drug's been around forever, we
think it will be worth it. So we release that
information at the same time, there was a data that's
(21:48):
been around for a couple of years, but more and
more of it coming out about potential concerns around a
set of menifit, which is the raw material in talidole. Now,
I want to say this is crisply and clearly is
ticking to the facts as you asked me to. If
you have a high fever, if you've got a bad problem,
please talk to your docs. If you're pregnant, make sure
that they're involved, and take the acinim enifen, which is
(22:10):
pretty much the only drug we would use in that setting,
and it's the drug that most doctors use, myself included
in that setting because all the other drugs seem to
have bigger problems, and having high fevers itself causes a problem.
So this is not a warning never to take the drug. However,
in cases where there was a lot of use of
this drug, that does seem to be a signal concerning
(22:31):
enough that we were sharing it that women subsequently have
babies to develop autism. So the message really is, if
you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe,
don't use the medication, willy nilly, use it thoughtfully, recognizing
that any medication is strong enough to help you is
strong enough to hurt you.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Doctor, as you have kids. Buck has a baby, I've
got three. I want to run through a couple of
things because I know we got a lot of moms
and with a lot of grandmas out there, and everybody
when they get pregnant, by and large, is trying to
do the best possible things they can for the baby
that they are carrying. And there's a couple of things
(23:10):
out there that I was going to point out, and
how complicated and sometimes even to the detriment that all
of these strictures can be. In America, they say women
should neat sushi pregnant women. They say that women should
not have alcohol at all, as I'm sure you're aware.
In Japan, women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy, most
(23:34):
no issues. In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine.
I mean they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting
super drunk, and by and large, kids aren't having issues there.
Circling back, I read in the New York Times today
you may have more accurate data than this that now
I believe it's one in every thirty one kids is
being classified as autistic, those numbers are have skyrocketed.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Something is going on right.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Either we're identifying autism way more and maybe that's partly it,
maybe we are. Maybe there are multiple different factors out there.
You're a doctor, though, and I'd just like to go baseline,
what would you tell a woman who just found out
she's pregnant right now that is concerned about autism that
she should do, in your opinion, to be the absolute healthiest.
(24:24):
And obviously, one answer is she can talk to her doctor.
But if this were your if this were your daughter,
and you were about to have a grand baby, what
would you tell her?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
The most important thing you can do, and when you're
pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers.
You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are
very low because we're so good generally at taking care
of crises or complications when they occur, and anxiety itself
is a problem doing pregnancy. So recognize that you're in
(24:56):
pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in
an ear where we have high quality care. That stated,
there are some unforced errors, rookie errors you want to
avoid trusting that there's one product that's so safe that
you can take it whenever you think you might have
a small little thing not right. Is unwise because we
just don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy.
(25:19):
With that miraculous process where these cells are growing in
a fast rate, differentiating in the organs, everything's got to work.
It's sort of a miracle that it ever works. But
it almost always does work because we get out of
the way. If I say the same thing to my kids,
is when it could be I've got five grandkids, now
when we're coming case, Just get out of the way
of biology and let it run itself. A low grade
(25:40):
temperature is a healthy thing usually because it'll kill the
virus that's bothering you, but it doesn't hurt your own selves.
Don't trust external substances of any kind. I don't think
alcohol is a good thing to do when you're pregnant,
and you shouldn't have to drink alcohol to be able
to get through your day. So, yes, you know, if
you're going to toast someone, that's different, but it should
not be part of the norm. The cleaner you eat,
(26:02):
the better. Do not trust the environment to be clean.
Go out of your way. Air, purefires, water, pure fires
are wise moves. It's the time for you to be
so careful because you're the canary in the coal mine.
Anything that's not right in society, in the world around
us would have an increased detrimental effect on you and
your fetus. And then they take one step back up
(26:24):
because you mentioned this stat one in thirty one kids
that'll have autism. Just to put this in perspective, that
is five times more than it was in twenty twenty
five years ago, five times more.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
It's not genetics. And I don't buy the canard that
this is all about measurement because I just turned sixty five.
I'm running the agency that I'm a member of now,
medicare right. There aren't any people my age that I
know of who have autism. Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy is found,
you know, reminds all of us that he and his
(26:56):
whole life, never met anyone his age who has autism.
I'm sure they're out there, not very common. Whereas you
go to school today, if you think of kids to school,
you talk to other parents, many of those parents have
kids with autistic children. It changes their life. So the
the President's passionate about this comes from a realization this
is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a
change in our environment. He is on daunted. He will
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find it and pursue it. And these are two clues
of how to deal with it.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Doctor Oz, I wanted to follow up on this. Is
it your and now I'm asking more for your analysis
and maybe even a bit of your your gut instinct
on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having
access to, uh, you know, the data on these things
at a very high level on the policy side, when
you're talking about that we just established that that really
(27:43):
deeply troubling rise of autism. Do you think it is
most likely to be a multi factor problem that has
caused the increase, as in several things you know together,
or just several things in general, or do you think
that it might be a really one primary culprit that
will be found. It's just a question of whittling down
(28:06):
the data and pursuing the science and finally getting us
to what's really at the heart of this crisis.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
I believe it's multifactorial, but they may work through common mechanisms.
For example, I brought up the reality that foliate levels
are lower in the brain. FULLI It comes from foliage
leafy greens, So this vitamin benign is a critical element
in brain development. It's possible that several of the things
we're worried about all work to inhibit the ability of
(28:34):
the fragile child's brain to take up enough of this
critical ingredient to their brain forms. Normally. It could happen
because antibodies are made because the kids allergic to everything
from a food that they're being given, to substance in
their body, to a toxin in their environment, mold and chemicals,
all kinds of things. We don't know how they work
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in the body, but they probably work through several common pathways.
What I do have confidence in since I've been looking
at this together with the rest of the team and
Jay Badasharia, Marty McKay who head of the NIH and FDA,
we're all raisier focused on this, in part because the
Secretary insists it and the President demands it. We are
seeing signals of lots of things. We didn't want to
talk about all of them, but we're seeing things that
(29:18):
all could be concerning. We just would have turned whittle
it down and get to the ones that are legitimate,
the things we might be able to do differently in
our lives. But certainly you want to start being transparent
with the American people because trust is built brick by brick,
by a shining light and all the things you know.
If I know things you don't know, there's no reason
why you would trust me to do more and better
(29:39):
with it, then you would. And this is why I
think parents in particular, who love their kids more than anybody,
should be armed with the best data the government has
as we get it. And of course this it scares people.
That alarms people. They don't not even want to hear
it worked frees Ideologically, I get all that stuff, but
if you mix politics in medicine, do you know what
you get? Politics? You killed me. And so the last
(30:01):
thing we want to do is hold back because there's
a political rationale, which is again, if you're a political
person who's passionate about people, you tell them what you know.
That's what a doctor does.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We're talking to doctor Oz. You just hit on something.
This will be a last question because I know you're
busy and we've got to hit a break. But the
autism rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed
not just historically, but in the twenty first century in particular.
It's also happened with allergies. I know there are a
lot of parents out there. You mentioned doctor Oz that
you rarely see, and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people
(30:34):
your age who have autism allergies. When I was a
kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't
feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that
they don't even give out pe nuts on airplanes anymore.
They've had to stop doing that. Is it possible that
we're seeing some connection in the environment that is impacting
(30:55):
things on a variety of different levels. Do you think
there might be any connection between autism and allergies and
just the way that the body chemistry is changing? And
Buck and I have talked about this. This is a
big question too. Is it partly maybe connected also to
the idea of older parents? Right, dads and moms frankly
(31:16):
are having babies way later in the twenty first century
than they did for basically the entirety of human existence.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Clay, such an excellent question. All the things you identify
because you're a curious person. And by the way, to me,
the MAHA movement is not being curious, and eighty percent
of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious
human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that
we have got to be brave enough to answer and
share for courageous with people around us. But you got
to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes,
(31:44):
that's a risk factor. We've known that, but it's hard
to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again,
you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they
don't always want to hear, but vise will respect us
for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think
is a bigger problem, a reason why so many kids
are allergic. You're right, Peno analogies unheard of when I
was a kid. You know, we have an epidemic of
(32:06):
all types of allergies, which I gain is reflective of
the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of
the child who's just trying to figure out what the
world is about, and they differentiate what's friendly and what's
fue Their immune system is confused. I suspect they are
chemicals that they're getting exposed to that are causing this.
We are actively at core searching. There's many allegations. When
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you don't know the answer, it's easy to blame folks.
We don't have the luxury of bickering when you're increasing
by five fold the incidents of a tragic condition that
could be Obviously, these kids are lovable, should be loved,
will be taking care of it. As a society, we're
judged by how we take care of our most vulnerable,
so we'll always take care of kids on the author's
and spectrum. But it's a heck of a lot easier
(32:49):
not to have to fight that battle when you're going
through life and these kids deserve better. We have got
to deliver. And looking at the cause of allergy, I
think is one of the biggest clues. Because they're the
tip of the iceberg. You figure that that's the leading edge.
Behind that are a whole bunch of other conditions ciliac disease,
vowel problems. Of course, you know all kinds of pathologies
like to the spectrum ADHD. If you can go down
(33:10):
the laundry list of issues that plague our youth, and
many of them come back to an immune system that
can't function correctly. It's a tragile system. It's being maligned.
We've got to figure out what's doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Doctor Oz. We appreciate the time. Thank you so much
for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just
let us know when you think it makes sense. And
good work and good luck trying to figure.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
All this out.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
God bless you both. Take care.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
That's doctor Oz, much less serious, although Buck, I do
think and we'll talk about this some more during the
course of the program. This is something that motivates a
huge majority. I think of our listeners out there, there's
a sense that we are making choices not only on
our own self, but on behalf of our kids that
are actually creating worse outcomes. And I think that allergy
(33:57):
and autistic thing, whatever you think, obviously they have skyrocketed,
and we'll talk about some of that. Why is that happening.
In the meantime, I want to tell you about our
friends that are over in Israel that are fighting so
many difficult battles every single day. It's been another very
trying week in Israel. Renewed drone attacks on innocent civilians.
(34:19):
The attacks don't get the headlines they once did, but
a lot's happened since October seventh. Hostage is still being held,
and we've got a movement of support for the people
of Israel coming. It's called Flags of Fellowship. It's organized
by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On Sunday,
October fifth, millions of people across America will plant an
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the tear attack of October seventh, when twelve hundred innocent
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and Virginia with our friend Ryan Gradusky, host of It's
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Travis over here for putting me in contact with his
buddy Nate Bargatzi, who did a phenomenal show last night.
(35:37):
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had a great time. We got to meet Nate. Super
nice guy. Everything that you would think about him from
his comedy is what he is. Very low key, very kind,
very polite, and it's just nice to have somebody Clay,
who's doing so well in that space one hundred and
ninety stops on that comedy tour. They're doing one hundred
and ninety all over the world. And he doesn't curse,
(36:00):
he doesn't make fun of anybody in the mean way.
Anybody can go to the show and laugh. It's not crass.
It's just great to see any of you listening. If
you get a chance, go to Anate Bargatsi show. I
couldn't recommend it more highly.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He's been a friend for a long time and I
think I don't think it's hyperbole. I think he's the
most successful comedian in America right now. He might be
the most successful comedian in the world. To your point,
he's going all over the place. So I'm glad you
got to meet him.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And he is.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's not anything different than he appears to be on
the stage. That is him, and I think that's why
he's been so successful.
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slowly but surely.
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Where the exact same age went to high school, exact
same age as We've known each other for a long time.
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So he is.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm proud of his success. Glad you got to meet him.
We come back, we'll talk more on the craziness.
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
(00:03):
of you hanging out with us. Going to get into
some of this news that's coming out of Virginia as
the governor's race there heats up. But our buddy from
Long Island, who ran into the exit of the of
the show, says he's going to get to his point
fast here. Appreciate Yes, Steve, you were talking about the
(00:26):
Inherit the Win movie and the argument there right right.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Thank you for giving me a time. Yeah. What the
quote comes down to is that the final argument and
Spencer Tracy's preaching to the judge. He said, don't you
understand fanaticism and ignorance need feeding and off ever busy
and if you think about what we're dealing with, and
anybody with an objective mind has got to be able
to say, who's really preaching to the fanatics here? And
(00:53):
the second quote, I know you got quick famous another famous.
The likelihood of an individual being right in this is
in direct proportion to the depths of adversaries sink too
when they try to prove them wrong. If two and
two is not for show me what it is, don't
call me a fascist And I haven't seen anybody be
able to logically attack even one President Trump's policies, even
(01:15):
in this term or the previous term. And I just
hope that the average American tax payer, people that cat
to bills, they keep this country running, has the ability
to see the farthest for the trees. Thank you guys,
keeping up man, great job all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, well said all right, Buck, I want to hit
you with this going on in Virginia right now. If
you remember in twenty twenty one, and this is going
back in the time machine a little bit, Glenn young
Cain caught fire down the stretch run of his campaign
because of all of the craziness coming out of Northern
(01:51):
Virginia schools. And if I remember correctly, Terry mccauloff had
a I think he just told the truth, but he said, basically,
schools don't belong to the parents.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It was paraphrasing him a little bit, but the idea
was parents shouldn't be super involved in the schools that
they go to. And there was this huge groundswell of
support for Glenn Youngkin in his campaign as people said
this is just wrong and the people were fed up,
and Glenn Youngkin swept into office. Remember, you cannot run
(02:27):
for consecutive terms as governor of Virginia, so it's a
little bit of a quirk in the calendar. In addition
to the fact that Virginia and New Jersey have their
elections one year after presidential elections. Off years, so to speak,
you can't run for reelection. I think Glenn Youngkin, if
he could, would win reelection quite comfortably. I want to
(02:49):
give a credit to this guy again. Nick Minnock is
a local news reporter that has actually been doing shocker
news reporting and he has been trying to get Abigail Spanberger,
the governor, the would be governor of the Democrat side,
the Democrat nominee running, to just take a stand on
whether men should be able to compete in women's sports.
(03:10):
And we played you the Kamala Harris like word salad
of Abigail Spanberger's answer to that question. Recently. They also
though it's not just men and women's sports. If you
are a man in northern Virginia and you identify as
a woman, you are able to go into women's locker
rooms and use them. And this is from Nick Minnock,
(03:34):
who is a local news reporter at WJLA in the
DC area in the Northern Virginia area. This is his tweet.
Listen to this buck right now. Registered sex offender Richard
Cox an interesting name. There isn't when you hear what happened?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
In Arlington court hearing where women are testifying they saw
this man nate kid in Arlington high school girls' locker rooms. Okay,
they this guy says he's a woman in court asked
the judge to tell the prosecutor to stop misgendering him.
(04:13):
One woman has testified that when she walked into this
girl's high school locker room in Arlington, Virginia after swim class,
her young daughter saw this man engaging an inappropriate behavior
in a shower stall with the curtain open. Well he
(04:34):
was masturbating, she said. Her young daughter was with her.
They walked in. This man, who pretends that he is
a woman, is using Arlington bathrooms and Arlington public schools
allow people to use locker rooms and bathrooms based on
their gender identity. Buck, this is a registered sex offender,
(04:58):
a man the picture here, I retweeted it in Northern Virginia.
He is going into girls' locker rooms. Look, young kids
are coming in. He's publicly masturbating in these bathrooms, and Arlington,
Northern Virginia is saying, well, he identifies as a woman,
so he should have access to these bathrooms. This is bonkers.
(05:24):
This is what Abigail Spamberger supports, the idea of gender
identity being exploited frankly like this, and young people being
taken advantage of.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I hope that the Republicans in the state of Virginia
will raise this and make sure that a lot of
people hear the noise about what's going on around this.
It is unconscionable, it is disgraceful, and it is Democrat orthodoxy.
They will not condemn this. The way they try to
(05:55):
get around this is well, it's exactly that they just
won't really speak to it one way or another. They'll
use some bromide, they'll use some some pablem about well,
you know, complicated issue and competing rights and we want
to be you know, courteous and all this stuff. Remember,
we got to this point because Democrats were able to
(06:17):
at first just shame people with why don't you just
be nice? Why aren't you just willing to make this accommodation.
And now we are where many of us said in
the very beginning we would be, which is democrats saying, look,
if the dangerous sex offender man wants to be naked
and around your you know, your your teenage daughter while
she's changing in the that's the price we have to
(06:40):
pay for a society that has transgender rights. Now, I
want everyone to be very clear, this is not a
Democrat fringed position. This is Democrat orthodoxy. The people will
refuse to talk about it for their own political reasons.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Who are Democrats. They will evade, but they will bill
not condemned.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yes, you absolutely will not get them to condemn this.
You will not see it because the second a Democrat
does that, the activist, lunatic twenty percent of the country
is going to be all over them. And they don't
care about any one election. They care about the national,
uh international push to make this stuff mandatory.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So this is listening.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If you're listening to us in Virginia right now, I've
sent in the cuts on this. You know in Virginia, Buck,
you've spent time there because you had family in the
Charlottesville area.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Virginia hille and my uncle lives in Charlottesville.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I know, Charlottesville is a fascinating state because it
and I've been all over. But if you go to
southwest Virginia, it is you are basically in the reddest
area of America. Southwestern Virginia, northern Virginia. You might as
well be in New York City Arlington.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Virginia is an extension of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
In all but name, and so the cultural clash there
is pretty pronounced in a state that is turning purplish.
Trump lost Virginia by five points. If you are voting
in Virginia right now, you need to understand that they
are trying to run and you know this well Buck
(08:29):
Abigail Svanberger as the most moderate, middle of the road
Democrat candidate. They are trying to turn her into Joe
Biden in twenty twenty. She is a sheep, a wolf
in sheep's clothing. She will get in and she will
absolutely run the most left wing policies imaginable in the
(08:54):
state of Virginia. So if you like the rational business,
first reason leadership from Glenn Youngkin in Virginia, there is
no connection whatsoever to Abigail Spanberger and Glenn Youngkin in
fact wins some seers. Who is running as the lieutenant
governor and is running to be the governor is by
(09:16):
far the rational, reasonable choice for middle of the road
people out there. And this is Is this the cut
that I just sent in producer Greg? Is this the
one that Okay, they're working on that one. Here is
last night Glenn Youngkin was at a Turning Point USA
(09:37):
event and he is speaking to all the young men
there and young women. This is cut twenty nine. Virginia Tech.
Huge turnout for a Turning Point USA event on their
campus in Blacksburg, Virginia.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
This is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Who will be the next Charlie?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And as I look out in this room and I
see thousand, I want to repeat the best answer that
I have heard.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You will be the next Charlie, all of you.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And that is something to take home tonight.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
He's also a very we don't talk about him very much,
but he's another highly competent Republican and he's doing a
very good job in a purple state as a governor and.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
A very popular He's a very popular governor. He would
win re election based on his leadership. So I guess
that's the argument I'm trying to make here, when some
seers will continue the policies that have been very popular
in the state of Virginia implemented by Glenn Youngkin because
he is term limited out after only one term from
being able to run. Interestingly, Buck, in Virginia, you can
(10:53):
run again, but you just have can't have consecutive terms.
Very quirky uh setup that they have there. And so
if you are happy in Virginia with the direction your
state has gone in the last four years, you need
to be voting for win some seers, And I think
much like what we saw happen in the late days
(11:14):
of the twenty twenty one campaign when Glenn Youngkin kind
of caught fire because the craziness of northern Virginia. As
you mentioned, it's basically Washington, d c. Right across the
Potomac River. There a lot of people who are rational, reasonable,
common sense Leyden Virginians are looking around and saying, wait
a minute, like this is crazy. We got guys showing
(11:38):
up in girls' bathrooms pretending that they're girls, and little
girls are walking in and they're exposing themselves. This is
this is whatever your politics are, this is indefensible. And
so what they'll do is just have Alison Spenberger not
address this, that's right, refusing to answer basic questions, just this,
(12:00):
just keep going.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And so then people say, well, she's a moderate, right, okay,
we'll handle this later. Or she's not. No, she is
not a moderate. She is a trojan horse for a
radical left Democrat party. And this is what they do
in purple states. They put people forward so they can say, well,
they're not really a Democrat. You know, they're not one
of those Democrats. They're a different kind of Democrat. And
(12:21):
then when they win, you know what happens. You get
AOC policies. You get AOC policies. That's exactly the game
that they play over and over again. All right, look, steak, yeah.
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Hi right, Welcome back in. We just talked about this.
Before we get to our.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Conversation with doctor Oz about the big announcement on the
health roum this week, let's hear from Nick Minnock about
the report of a man in a girl's locker room
in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Here's that report playing.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Over the course of the past few weeks, students and
parents have reported that a boy watched girls undress multiple
times in the girl's locker room at Fairfax County's West
Springfield High School. That's according to the nonprofit Defense of
Freedom Institute, which sent this complaint asking the US Department
of Education to investigate Fairfax County and Public schools actions
(14:46):
and response, and to consider sanctions against the school district.
The complaint says a female student changing in the girls
locker room at school saw a boy with facial hair
standing in the locker room watching her and other girls undress.
She says when she complained to a teacher, the teacher
said there was nothing she could do about it. Fairfax
(15:06):
County Public Schools has said that their transgender locker room
policies are protected by a four Circuit Court of Appeals decision,
but this summer, the US Department of Education said those
policies violate Title nine, and the department is threatening to
withhold federal funds from fcps if they don't reverse their policies.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, this is crazy that this could even be happening.
This guy, the boy should be arrested. I mean, is
there anybody out there that disagrees that has a functional brain.
The fact that the response to a girl saying a
grown you know, or teenage boy who has a facial
hair is hanging out in the girl's bathroom, in the
(15:50):
locker room and just watching girls change, I mean, like
this is stalker behavior, This is illegal behavior for I
think anybody out there this is and the response being, oh,
this is the policy that we have in place, there's
nothing we can do about it is just insane.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Well, it also brings up what has been a big
problem with the argument over Frans rights and the transigenda
all along, which is that they say, why can't you
just be nice? And then you have to point out
this is very not nice. This is really bad what's
going on here. So the desire to be nice, meaning oh,
I want I want everyone to feel affirmed and I
(16:28):
want everyone to feel like, you know, their choices are
being respected, leads to this.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
This is a straight line.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
It leads to, well, you know, if some guy is
going to be changing with the girls, like, that's just
the way that it is. We've known this all along,
and it's not nice. It's mean to these girls. If
that was your daughter or that was your wife in
that locker room, if it was mine or yours, play,
we would be.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I mean, it's just totally unacceptable. I mean I would be.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Maybe guys whould get dragged out.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The guy should get dragged out, put into handcuffs, and
he should go to prison and be immediately charged with
all of those all those offenses.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
This is not a difficult case.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And what I would sum it up by saying buck is,
at some point tolerance becomes intolerance because you're moving from Okay,
I'm going to tolerate all of these trans demands, and
then you become intolerant of women saying no, this is
not right.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Women have to take back their public spaces, and you
have to be willing for people to say mean things
about you. This is why I think people like JK.
Rowling are so incredibly important Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say who
have spoken out aggressively against this as women, because the
trans community is taking advantage of the natural kindness of women.
(17:47):
Men don't stand for this stuff right, Like in general,
there's no man who used to be a woman that's
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Speaker 5 (18:52):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined now by
doctor Oz, doctor Medman oz Or as the Administrator for
the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services under HHS Secretary
RFK Junior and President Trump. Doctor Oz, Welcome to the show.
Is always good to.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
Talk to you, good talkers always. It's been an active week.
I says, like, you want to speak a bit about
autism and what might work.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Yeah, let's talk about autism and the tail and all
situation here, Doc, what is actually what do we know?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
What is being recommended? What is actually going on?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And let's just stay as tight to the facts as
we can on this one, because there's a lot of
passion around this topic.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
There is let's take a step back for one second
and just make it really clear there is no political
benefit to President Trump talking about this. This is a
hostscale departure from what historically has happened with data within government,
which is we perhaps the role cake process. You don't
really know what we know. Eventually we figured it all
out and tell you the best we can. We saw
that that in covid at backfires when moms think that
(19:57):
they're gas lighting, they're being gas lit. They're not getting
access to data. So the President charged all of US
sector Kennedy leading the process with just breaking all the silos,
breaking the barriers, just do the work and release the
information when you have it. This is the first example.
There'll be future ones. So let's go over the data.
Fifty million dollars is put into a process to try
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to research autism, say about a shark at. The nih
has been allocating that money in grants along the way
studying what's going on with autism and discovered two signals,
two leads that were intriguing enough that after a lot
of discussion, we were decided to share with the American people.
The first had to do with a prescription medication called lucuvorn,
(20:41):
which no one's ever heard of, but prescription lucuvorn is
essentially a way of getting B vitamins into the brains
of children. Why is that a problem. We believe that
there's a fair amount of pathology around B vitamins in
the brains of kids who have autism. That's one of
the reasons their brain get cloudy, foggy, they can't really
us as information, they don't learn to speak right. And
(21:02):
so if we can reverse that problem, which is caused
by their genes in some cases that we know of,
and by antibodies blocking those receptors, those pathways into the brain,
and others, that would make a difference. It turns out
with a couple of hundred kids in different small studies
that about half the kids seem to benefit when given
this medication. Correctly, it's not perfect. We don't know enough
(21:24):
about it to make broader promises. But I asked the
key question, claim buck both, you just tell me that
if you just resonates with you. I asked the question
everyone should ask their doctor, would you do it for
your kid? And the answer I got over and over
again was yes. We don't know for sure, but because
it's so safe and the drug's been around forever, we
think it will be worth it. So we release that
information at the same time, there was a data that's
(21:48):
been around for a couple of years, but more and
more of it coming out about potential concerns around a
set of menifit, which is the raw material in talidole. Now,
I want to say this is crisply and clearly is
ticking to the facts as you asked me to. If
you have a high fever, if you've got a bad problem,
please talk to your docs. If you're pregnant, make sure
that they're involved, and take the acinim enifen, which is
(22:10):
pretty much the only drug we would use in that setting,
and it's the drug that most doctors use, myself included
in that setting because all the other drugs seem to
have bigger problems, and having high fevers itself causes a problem.
So this is not a warning never to take the drug. However,
in cases where there was a lot of use of
this drug, that does seem to be a signal concerning
(22:31):
enough that we were sharing it that women subsequently have
babies to develop autism. So the message really is, if
you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe,
don't use the medication, willy nilly, use it thoughtfully, recognizing
that any medication is strong enough to help you is
strong enough to hurt you.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Doctor, as you have kids. Buck has a baby, I've
got three. I want to run through a couple of
things because I know we got a lot of moms
and with a lot of grandmas out there, and everybody
when they get pregnant, by and large, is trying to
do the best possible things they can for the baby
that they are carrying. And there's a couple of things
(23:10):
out there that I was going to point out, and
how complicated and sometimes even to the detriment that all
of these strictures can be. In America, they say women
should neat sushi pregnant women. They say that women should
not have alcohol at all, as I'm sure you're aware.
In Japan, women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy, most
(23:34):
no issues. In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine.
I mean they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting
super drunk, and by and large, kids aren't having issues there.
Circling back, I read in the New York Times today
you may have more accurate data than this that now
I believe it's one in every thirty one kids is
being classified as autistic, those numbers are have skyrocketed.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Something is going on right.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Either we're identifying autism way more and maybe that's partly it,
maybe we are. Maybe there are multiple different factors out there.
You're a doctor, though, and I'd just like to go baseline,
what would you tell a woman who just found out
she's pregnant right now that is concerned about autism that
she should do, in your opinion, to be the absolute healthiest.
(24:24):
And obviously, one answer is she can talk to her doctor.
But if this were your if this were your daughter,
and you were about to have a grand baby, what
would you tell her?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
The most important thing you can do, and when you're
pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers.
You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are
very low because we're so good generally at taking care
of crises or complications when they occur, and anxiety itself
is a problem doing pregnancy. So recognize that you're in
(24:56):
pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in
an ear where we have high quality care. That stated,
there are some unforced errors, rookie errors you want to
avoid trusting that there's one product that's so safe that
you can take it whenever you think you might have
a small little thing not right. Is unwise because we
just don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy.
(25:19):
With that miraculous process where these cells are growing in
a fast rate, differentiating in the organs, everything's got to work.
It's sort of a miracle that it ever works. But
it almost always does work because we get out of
the way. If I say the same thing to my kids,
is when it could be I've got five grandkids, now
when we're coming case, Just get out of the way
of biology and let it run itself. A low grade
(25:40):
temperature is a healthy thing usually because it'll kill the
virus that's bothering you, but it doesn't hurt your own selves.
Don't trust external substances of any kind. I don't think
alcohol is a good thing to do when you're pregnant,
and you shouldn't have to drink alcohol to be able
to get through your day. So, yes, you know, if
you're going to toast someone, that's different, but it should
not be part of the norm. The cleaner you eat,
(26:02):
the better. Do not trust the environment to be clean.
Go out of your way. Air, purefires, water, pure fires
are wise moves. It's the time for you to be
so careful because you're the canary in the coal mine.
Anything that's not right in society, in the world around
us would have an increased detrimental effect on you and
your fetus. And then they take one step back up
(26:24):
because you mentioned this stat one in thirty one kids
that'll have autism. Just to put this in perspective, that
is five times more than it was in twenty twenty
five years ago, five times more.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
It's not genetics. And I don't buy the canard that
this is all about measurement because I just turned sixty five.
I'm running the agency that I'm a member of now,
medicare right. There aren't any people my age that I
know of who have autism. Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy is found,
you know, reminds all of us that he and his
(26:56):
whole life, never met anyone his age who has autism.
I'm sure they're out there, not very common. Whereas you
go to school today, if you think of kids to school,
you talk to other parents, many of those parents have
kids with autistic children. It changes their life. So the
the President's passionate about this comes from a realization this
is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a
change in our environment. He is on daunted. He will
(27:18):
find it and pursue it. And these are two clues
of how to deal with it.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Doctor Oz, I wanted to follow up on this. Is
it your and now I'm asking more for your analysis
and maybe even a bit of your your gut instinct
on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having
access to, uh, you know, the data on these things
at a very high level on the policy side, when
you're talking about that we just established that that really
(27:43):
deeply troubling rise of autism. Do you think it is
most likely to be a multi factor problem that has
caused the increase, as in several things you know together,
or just several things in general, or do you think
that it might be a really one primary culprit that
will be found. It's just a question of whittling down
(28:06):
the data and pursuing the science and finally getting us
to what's really at the heart of this crisis.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
I believe it's multifactorial, but they may work through common mechanisms.
For example, I brought up the reality that foliate levels
are lower in the brain. FULLI It comes from foliage
leafy greens, So this vitamin benign is a critical element
in brain development. It's possible that several of the things
we're worried about all work to inhibit the ability of
(28:34):
the fragile child's brain to take up enough of this
critical ingredient to their brain forms. Normally. It could happen
because antibodies are made because the kids allergic to everything
from a food that they're being given, to substance in
their body, to a toxin in their environment, mold and chemicals,
all kinds of things. We don't know how they work
(28:55):
in the body, but they probably work through several common pathways.
What I do have confidence in since I've been looking
at this together with the rest of the team and
Jay Badasharia, Marty McKay who head of the NIH and FDA,
we're all raisier focused on this, in part because the
Secretary insists it and the President demands it. We are
seeing signals of lots of things. We didn't want to
talk about all of them, but we're seeing things that
(29:18):
all could be concerning. We just would have turned whittle
it down and get to the ones that are legitimate,
the things we might be able to do differently in
our lives. But certainly you want to start being transparent
with the American people because trust is built brick by brick,
by a shining light and all the things you know.
If I know things you don't know, there's no reason
why you would trust me to do more and better
(29:39):
with it, then you would. And this is why I
think parents in particular, who love their kids more than anybody,
should be armed with the best data the government has
as we get it. And of course this it scares people.
That alarms people. They don't not even want to hear
it worked frees Ideologically, I get all that stuff, but
if you mix politics in medicine, do you know what
you get? Politics? You killed me. And so the last
(30:01):
thing we want to do is hold back because there's
a political rationale, which is again, if you're a political
person who's passionate about people, you tell them what you know.
That's what a doctor does.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We're talking to doctor Oz. You just hit on something.
This will be a last question because I know you're
busy and we've got to hit a break. But the
autism rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed
not just historically, but in the twenty first century in particular.
It's also happened with allergies. I know there are a
lot of parents out there. You mentioned doctor Oz that
you rarely see, and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people
(30:34):
your age who have autism allergies. When I was a
kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't
feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that
they don't even give out pe nuts on airplanes anymore.
They've had to stop doing that. Is it possible that
we're seeing some connection in the environment that is impacting
(30:55):
things on a variety of different levels. Do you think
there might be any connection between autism and allergies and
just the way that the body chemistry is changing? And
Buck and I have talked about this. This is a
big question too. Is it partly maybe connected also to
the idea of older parents? Right, dads and moms frankly
(31:16):
are having babies way later in the twenty first century
than they did for basically the entirety of human existence.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
Clay, such an excellent question. All the things you identify
because you're a curious person. And by the way, to me,
the MAHA movement is not being curious, and eighty percent
of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious
human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that
we have got to be brave enough to answer and
share for courageous with people around us. But you got
to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes,
(31:44):
that's a risk factor. We've known that, but it's hard
to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again,
you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they
don't always want to hear, but vise will respect us
for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think
is a bigger problem, a reason why so many kids
are allergic. You're right, Peno analogies unheard of when I
was a kid. You know, we have an epidemic of
(32:06):
all types of allergies, which I gain is reflective of
the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of
the child who's just trying to figure out what the
world is about, and they differentiate what's friendly and what's
fue Their immune system is confused. I suspect they are
chemicals that they're getting exposed to that are causing this.
We are actively at core searching. There's many allegations. When
(32:27):
you don't know the answer, it's easy to blame folks.
We don't have the luxury of bickering when you're increasing
by five fold the incidents of a tragic condition that
could be Obviously, these kids are lovable, should be loved,
will be taking care of it. As a society, we're
judged by how we take care of our most vulnerable,
so we'll always take care of kids on the author's
and spectrum. But it's a heck of a lot easier
(32:49):
not to have to fight that battle when you're going
through life and these kids deserve better. We have got
to deliver. And looking at the cause of allergy, I
think is one of the biggest clues. Because they're the
tip of the iceberg. You figure that that's the leading edge.
Behind that are a whole bunch of other conditions ciliac disease,
vowel problems. Of course, you know all kinds of pathologies
like to the spectrum ADHD. If you can go down
(33:10):
the laundry list of issues that plague our youth, and
many of them come back to an immune system that
can't function correctly. It's a tragile system. It's being maligned.
We've got to figure out what's doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Doctor Oz. We appreciate the time. Thank you so much
for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just
let us know when you think it makes sense. And
good work and good luck trying to figure.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
All this out.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
God bless you both. Take care.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
That's doctor Oz, much less serious, although Buck, I do
think and we'll talk about this some more during the
course of the program. This is something that motivates a
huge majority. I think of our listeners out there, there's
a sense that we are making choices not only on
our own self, but on behalf of our kids that
are actually creating worse outcomes. And I think that allergy
(33:57):
and autistic thing, whatever you think, obviously they have skyrocketed,
and we'll talk about some of that. Why is that happening.
In the meantime, I want to tell you about our
friends that are over in Israel that are fighting so
many difficult battles every single day. It's been another very
trying week in Israel. Renewed drone attacks on innocent civilians.
(34:19):
The attacks don't get the headlines they once did, but
a lot's happened since October seventh. Hostage is still being held,
and we've got a movement of support for the people
of Israel coming. It's called Flags of Fellowship. It's organized
by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On Sunday,
October fifth, millions of people across America will plant an
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Israeli flag in honor and solidarity with the victims of
the tear attack of October seventh, when twelve hundred innocent
Israelis were killed. You can be a part of the
movement too. To get more information about how you can
join the Flags of Fellowship, visit the Fellowship online at
IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Coming up in a few minutes, we'll talk to you
about some of the big races that are going to
be playing out for governor's mansions, specifically in New Jersey
and Virginia with our friend Ryan Gradusky, host of It's
a Numbers Game. Also to say thanks to mister Clay
Travis over here for putting me in contact with his
buddy Nate Bargatzi, who did a phenomenal show last night.
(35:37):
I saw it at the hard Rock Carrie and I
had a great time. We got to meet Nate. Super
nice guy. Everything that you would think about him from
his comedy is what he is. Very low key, very kind,
very polite, and it's just nice to have somebody Clay,
who's doing so well in that space one hundred and
ninety stops on that comedy tour. They're doing one hundred
and ninety all over the world. And he doesn't curse,
(36:00):
he doesn't make fun of anybody in the mean way.
Anybody can go to the show and laugh. It's not crass.
It's just great to see any of you listening. If
you get a chance, go to Anate Bargatsi show. I
couldn't recommend it more highly.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He's been a friend for a long time and I
think I don't think it's hyperbole. I think he's the
most successful comedian in America right now. He might be
the most successful comedian in the world. To your point,
he's going all over the place. So I'm glad you
got to meet him.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And he is.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's not anything different than he appears to be on
the stage. That is him, and I think that's why
he's been so successful.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Look at look at you Nashville guys. You know you
Nashville guys. Make it good here, take it over the world,
slowly but surely.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Where the exact same age went to high school, exact
same age as We've known each other for a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
So he is.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm proud of his success. Glad you got to meet him.
We come back, we'll talk more on the craziness.
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