July 2, 2024 • 36 mins
Biden campaign desperately trying to claim he's fine, Buck, on his own island where he says there’s plenty of room for others, remains steadfast he will be the nominee, and, if not, then Kamala. Former DHS Sec. Jeh Johnson says the "team" around Biden can run the country better than Trump. Carl Bernstein reports that Biden has had 15-20 freezing moments. Carville calls for Biden to step down. Kamala's cringe BET video. C&B take calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've been talking about
the decision to push the sentencing date on Trump. How
long that could go on. That is the latest legal news.
But Buck is back yesterday. I told you that I
maintain my position that that Biden will not be the nominee.
(00:22):
Buck remains on Buck Island. Someone sent me a note
by the way that I screenshotted Buck. I thought you
would appreciate this. There is, in fact a Buck Island.
One of our listeners sent me this and I screenshot
it because I thought it was great. Let me see
if I can find it. Loved your banter about this
is from Bob. Loved your Thank you, Bob, loved your
(00:43):
banner about buck Island. Again, I'm saying buck island because
that's totally different movie.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
If I change one.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Word on Friday, I have a beach home on Buck
Island located in Corolla, North Carolina. If I think I'm
pronouncing that right, great beach town on the outer ps.
Biden will never resign. I've had to handle aging parents.
Hardest thing to do was to get them to give
up their car and agree to go to assisted living.
(01:12):
So buck the latest. So I do love this, and
I think you'll appreciate this. Yesterday we ran through the
excuses that have been trotted out for Biden's performance in
the debate, Among them, the makeup artists did not do
a good enough job, the advisors over prepared him, the
debate was too late, CNN was rigged against him. All
(01:36):
of those trotted out. I did love this. I saw
this last night. They got on with the top campaign
surrogates and officials and they said, according to CNN, this
was Jen O'Malley Dixon. I tweeted this out last night.
I saw you guys. We were tweeting out this story
(01:56):
this morning. Here's what she said. He's probably in better
health than most of us. That is the argument that
they are trying to make right now now, and I
post it on Twitter. Unless everyone else on this call
is dead, that is not true. I appreciate that there
are lots of arguments that can be made claiming that
(02:19):
Joe Biden is in better health than most of the
people working.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
On the Biden campaign.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Either their campaign is in a cemetery, and we know
Democrats are quite good at mobilizing cemetaries historically. But either
everyone is dead on this campaign or Jen O'Malley Dixon
is just lying in a ridiculous fashion to say that
his health is better than most of the people on
the campaign.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They are going to have this moment, this sort of
spasm of outrage and unintentional honesty, and it will pass,
and they will rally, they will circle the wagons, they
will get ready for whatever they have to do in
order to try to push Biden Ford. I want to
(03:07):
be very clear because I'm sure that they're my belief
all along, and my prediction along has been Biden or Kamala,
Biden or Kamala. I still think it is likely to
be Biden, but in my mind, I'm one hundred percent
sure it is Biden or Kamala. So I think Biden
will be the guy. Buck Island is a place of truth,
(03:29):
justice and accuracy, and many of you are welcome. By
the way, there's plenty of plenty of land.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
This is where we agree. There is lots of room
on Buck Island right now. There have been a lot
of that. There have been a lot of people finding rafts,
finding floating floating pineapples to hang on to I think.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You were like Buck, I was with you all along.
I'm like, ah, vip Emailer, I think you were with
Clay about three months ago. But that's all right, that's
all right. You want to you scramble on the Buck Island.
You are welcome. He years. The biggest challenge for the
Democrats right now as I see it, First of all,
there's legitimate we believe that the Democrat Party operates. I
(04:11):
think you usually think this about your opponents, because I
hear Democrats say this about Republicans. They're so ruthlessly efficient
and they always have a plan. And as a Republican
you sit there, you're like, have you been awake the
last twenty years? Like we make horrible mistakes all over
the place as a party, because these are just people
running these things, and people are flawed and make dumb decisions. Okay.
(04:32):
I think that the Democrats did lull themselves into a
false sense of security because of all the legal stuff
against Trump. You have to think of all this as
they thought they had, you know, Big Bertha to deploy.
For those of you who are World War One history buffs, right,
they thought they had the Mega canon to end all canons.
(04:53):
Which was this law fair and they were going to
pummel the enemy with it and all the I think, actually,
did Big Birth even see them usage, I don't think,
so what are you looking?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So they didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
By the way, I'm going to give you historical credit here.
They stole the Big Bertha driver name Callaway did.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
From the cannon.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes, of course, because when I hear as a bad golfer,
when I hear big Bertha, I think about, you know,
the big driver.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That they I didn't realize at the golf club. I
think of the the giant howitzer from World War One.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I didn't even realize that they have stolen. I was like, oh,
big Berth. I mean, I've heard that phrase for a
long time, but I didn't even realize where it originated from.
But I think of the driver, which was I think
a Calaway driver, which they made probably a billion dollars
selling over the years, so I believe. So I this
came up when I was reading my Fahrenbach book on
the Indian Wars. The Mountain howitzer was a very powerful
(05:47):
weapon used in the mid nineteenth century against the you know, tribes,
and I was like, Howitzer. This must be named for somebody.
It actually is a word that comes from I believe
the Czech and the Germans started to use it, taking
it from the check in the early nineteenth century. And
then we just took the word howitzer from them because like,
you never even think about this, like there was no
(06:07):
big general howitzer. You usually we have military things, you know, Yeah,
Nimitz class carrier, it's a you know, Abram's tank or
and we usually name these after people. But yes, the
Big Bertha was what they called a massive siege howitzer
built by a crop in Germany. So where was I before?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh, so they thought they had Big Bertha, and they
big Bertha was the lawfair right, and they figured, Okay,
that's gonna mean that we can just push Biden forward
on the basement campaign again more or less Rudolph a prompter.
Everything has to be reevaluated in the context of the
lawfair stuff not only has failed but has backfired. Right,
(06:48):
That's I think they never they never thought even if
it didn't work that well, which they must have considered
as a possibility, they never considered that it would make
Trump more popular to be a convicted felon. And so
this is why when people say, oh, they offered him
up in this debate to knock him down. No, they
were desperate. That's why they put him forward in the
debate because none of the stuff that they've been thinking
(07:10):
is working. This is basically my way of saying, Clay,
we shouldn't overestimate the strategy of the other side. I
think they have walked into bear trap after bear trap,
and they just hit themselves in the face with a rake.
I mean, they're having problems even within that context. And
I do believe that we agree that the lawfair has
blown up in their face and it potentially I hate
(07:31):
to even have to use a soccer analogy. After the
US men's soccer team choked as they always do in
any game that it feels like matters again last night
against against Uruguay or anybody who actually watched, they don't
know what percentage of you did. But even for the
own goal standard, this would be the most devastating own goal,
(07:53):
the most devastating self inflicted error in any of our lives,
if you're forty five or fifty or younger, basically all
the way back to Watergate with what Mixon did, this
would be the most destructive own goal ever. Now I
still think buck even within that construct, they and I
(08:16):
don't mean just Democrats at large, who had sort of
ulled themselves into sleep believing that Bien they were buying
the garbageot always sharp as attack behind closed doors. I
do think people believed it.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
We didn't and our audience didn't, and we've been talking
about it for a long time because it was self evident,
but they pretended that it wasn't. I think the Biden
team was in disbelief over how bad.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
He was on June twenty seventh, and so that was
the worst than I thought he would be, and I
worse than I thought that because usually Biden, and I
will admit this, usually Biden has been able to do
the like, well, folks, you're here, I am not a joke,
you know, kind of yellsy greens his fake teeth and
does the whole thing. And it's enough. You know that
the Biden show was kind of enough that even though
(09:01):
he looks frail and decrepit and everything, he can get
away with it. But he was. Look it was the
worst anybody has has really seen him, certainly for any
length of time. And the real, you know, the real kicker.
I think the really difficult thing is that video that's
been going around online of Biden in the twenty twenty
debates versus today. Yes, side by side, he looked like
(09:23):
an old guy in twenty twenty, but he did not
look like a guy who had dementia. I hate you know,
he'd looked too old maybe visually, but the verbal acuity
was there, the thought prize. He was not slowed down.
And that's changed now. I mean, now you have to
openly lie. Now you have to tell you like I
can't see with my eyes, and I don't know if
(09:44):
you've asked.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I've been asking doctors around me, Hey, tell me what
you see. I'm talking about people who deal in treating
dementia and everything else. Everyone that I am talking to
and asking about this private who has watched him says
that the evidence is there of dementia, and he appears
(10:06):
to be at the accelerating era of dementia. And for
those of you who've had to go through with an
elderly parent or grandparent and you've seen someone start to
kind of have signs that things are a little bit awry,
but they can bounce back and they can look better
at times. He's at the point now buck it appears
(10:27):
where it accelerates and over the next six months to
a year, the idea of him being in office and
him being in office now is scary. The idea of
him being in office in twenty eight is so beyond
the pale of what any doctor who looks at him
and starts to analyze his behavior and his symptoms would
(10:49):
ever be able to forecast.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, I remember I saw this with my maternal grandfather,
who's a great man World War Two veteran and great humanitarian,
built schools front of which kids anyway did amazing stuff.
But just because of age, he got into his eighties
and over the course of about five years, it went
from he was sort of the patriarch of the family
on that side, who sat at the head of the
(11:11):
table and you.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Know what I mean, was like, yeah, Thanksgiving, he's cutting
the turkey and he's leading, like he was the.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Family statesman of the family, to towards the last five
years of his life, it was in a wheelchair, blanket
on the knees, checking on him, bring you know, taking
real full time care of him. You know, my family,
my aunts, they were taking full time care of him.
The difference there was like five to seven years, I'd say,
from patriarch, you know, at the head of the table
telling stories, to having to bring him his food and
(11:40):
check on him and every you know, he had to
go through dialysis. He had a lot of flat problems
toward the end. And I just remember, you know, this
is a real change that happens, and it can happen rapidly,
and it looks like Biden is in that phase of
his life where that change is undergoing, is has been
underway the last few years.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
People will why, but they'll only lie to the point
where the lies don't start to reflect awfully upon them.
I think in the Democrat Party now, and we'll play
you a cut I thought was emblematic of this from
James Carville. What they did was a step too far
for most Democrats. Because it's one thing to say Biden's
(12:19):
better than Trump, like his apparatus is fine, which is
it's another thing to ask everyone to pretend that what
they saw didn't happen and to dis disallow their own
eyes to speak. And I think we've moved to the
embarrassment now. It's embarrassing to defend Biden. I think that's
what I want to give you. I think the key
(12:41):
argument here, and I'm gonna keep people on the edge
of their seats. The key argument has been made by
a former Obama administration official, echoing the sentiments that we
have shared about how Democrats view their party on this show.
What am I talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
How are they going to turn this around? For Biden?
I will present that clay in a moment. That's what
you call a tea's in the business. And I love
one of our listeners who always emails, just don't say
it's geese. You're killing the tas. Think about it. Every
time you do that.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
By the way, you are giving away you're destroying the No,
it's pretty evident.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's just I know when you send us like one
really good email, either that calls us out about something
that's true and funny or is just generally funny, like
we do remember it for a long time, so very
much in our heads one part of your house that does.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
The other thing that was great yesterday was people were
emailing saying, don't give the Democrats ideas. Do you really
think that I can think up anything? I'm not as
diabolical as they are. Anything that I can think of
they've thought of. Trust me, it reminds me of when
I was a kid. Dad used to say, Hey, whatever
you're thinking of doing, I either did it or thought
(13:54):
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Whatever you can get into, for the most part, your
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Speaker 2 (15:17):
All right, welcome back in. What can the Democrats do
to turn things around? Given that we all know that
Biden is walking around like on a version of mister
McGoo for those you remember the old cartoon. Uh, you
think like he'd like go up to a you know,
he'd go up to a water tower and think it
was an ostrich. I mean, you know, mister McGoo was
having some problems. Biden is in a category now where
(15:40):
people can't trust his judgment, that can't trust his ability
to think through things or even stay awake. What do
you do? Well, this has been my argument all along, Clay,
and this is how I think Democrats just try to
rally their side and get through this with Biden still
at the top of the ticket. You make the argument
that you're not voting for a person, you are voting
for a team, a system, if you will, a machine
(16:04):
that will operate smoothly for the progressive, authoritarian, collectivist, democrat agenda,
irrespective of who is technically signing the bills and grinning
on camera. Here is former Obama administration DHS chief Jay
Johnson saying just that.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Age presidency is more than just one man one woman.
It's an administration. I would take Joe Biden his worst
day at age eighty six, so long as he has
people around him like like Avril Haynes, Samantha Power, Gina
Ramundo supporting him over Donald Trump any day, with the
crowd that was behind him on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now, Clay, I think this is going to be what
eventually is the overwhelming narrative from the media because you
can say what you will. This is at least honest
and it's effectively what I've been saying all along is,
don't worry about who the CEO of Coca Cola is.
You buy Coca Cola stock, Let's say, as an example,
(17:09):
because it's Coca Cola because of the company, because of
the entity, not because of the person at the top
making the decisions, because there's a lot of decisions being made.
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think it's the most honest argument, and I think
it's likely one that they'll end up with, which is, basically,
our team is better than their team. Yes, you aren't
voting for the quarterback, you aren't voting for the CEO.
You're voting for the collective talent of our team over
the collective talent of their team. Now, I think that
rallies the base. I don't think that necessarily has a
(17:42):
great appeal for independent voters, and I think that's where
the challenge lies, because most independent voters or non traditional
voters are making a decision based on the top of
the ticket. So I wonder how that plays. But it's
definitely I think the argument for the base to get
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. One thing here, Buck,
that I do think is significant, and we'll see whether
you're right, and eventually everybody else comes back into the Hey,
you're voting for the team right now. There are a
(19:16):
lot of people willing to now go public and take
shots at Joe Biden. Last night, Bernstein, Carl Bernstein of
Woodward and Bernstein Fame, went on CNN and said that
there had been fifteen or twenty different significant Biden freezing
(19:38):
moments that everyone had seen, including one back in June
of twenty twenty three, in which case Biden basically froze
and it was like rigor mortis had set in. Now,
one thing I'll say, and I want to play a
James Carvel cut that we have for you on this
in a moment, But Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's very strong by the rigor mortis is like what
happens the stiffening of your body when you're dead. So
that's a correct That's.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
The phrase specifically that Bernstein used on Anderson Cooper Show
last night on CNN. So that's not me characterizing what
he said. He used the phrase rigor mortis setting in
and panic. What I would say is, imagine what doctor
Jill Biden has actually seen.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
She's on the cover of Vogue.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think that she is the biggest villain here of
anybody in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, I mean, if we can't agree or disagree with that,
that's a bold statement. I got to think on that one.
But if we can't trust Democrats to read the Supreme
Court decision, I think that referring to his lady, she
knows he is. If that has happened, everyone's what she's seen,
I know, but everyone's calling her lady Macbeth. And I'm
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just saying I don't think Democrats really catch that reference
very much anymore. I think a lot of we'll talk
of this like, oh, lady Macbeth. You know, she must
have been royalty, she must have been great and probably
friends with Fergie. So because that's everyone's calling her Lady
Macbeth these days, that's what I'm seeing all over the internet,
Joe Biden or they'll say like she's, you know, resputant
or something. Look, Clay, this is my fundamental position on
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this has not changed. It does not matter what comes
out about this from behind closed doors, because these are
all political calculations that aren't rooted in the reality of
Joe Biden leading and making decisions. It's just about the
perception and dragging him across the finish line. By the way,
I haven't said this in a while. I think Biden
will be the nominee. Still. I don't think he lasts
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more than six months into his presidency before Kamala Harris
takes over and then his legacy becomes he bequeathed. You know,
he left for the first black female president three weeks
see here for a moment, because I do think this
factor's in and you're right. If he wins, there's no
way he's served no chance. He's finishing four Nobody believes that.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Agreed, And if he passed the baton da Kamala Harris,
You're right, his legacy would be amazing. He's the trojan horse.
But keep going, what's his legacy? If he loses and
loses the Senate and loses the House, it will be
it will be that Joe Biden lost.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Who cares? Who's next? Let's focus on the future. Donald
Trump passed, or rather Donald Trump can't be president for more
than four years. What's the legacy? This is the other
thing he keeps saying to everybody who really wants to
take over this ticket against Trump right now, you will
get steamroll. The Democrats know this. Gretchen Witmer. A lot
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of people can't even spell her name. Who they want
to go out and vote for her? They haven't heard
her name, they don't know who she is. Name recognition
and a national election we are talking about independent, low
propensity voters, et cetera, is absolutely essential. They do not
have a better option to win. Even though Joe Biden
is suffering from dementia and is too old. They don't.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So the question I have here on legacy is not
necessarily larger legacy. What does Biden think his legacy will be?
And what does doctor Jill Biden think that his legacy
is going to be. If he goes out and gets
smoked and then he has dementia and he dies in
three years in an old folks home, people are going
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to say, I'm telling you what's coming, that he is
the worst president we've ever had. When you are old,
eventually I hope to get there, you start worrying way
more about your legacy. I don't know about you, Buck.
I think zero about my legacy outside of trying to
raise good kids. I'm not like, hey, if I died tomorrow,
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people would say this or that. I think that does
matter on some level to this extent that Biden has
a functional brain still to not want to go out
getting his ass kicked as his final public appearance and
what used to be and then also the election.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Used to do these drills in the CIA war gaming
drills right when we were doing the classroom training, which
was like a year long. Basically, if you're sitting around
and getting into all these different national security scenarios. Not
a year long, it was less than that, but anyway,
it was a long time. And one of the things
we would do is we would go through these mirror
imaging exercises, and the basic lesson was, don't think that
somebody else will act under the same circumstances the way
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that you will understand who they are, because then you'll
know how they will act under the circumstances that you
are trying to analyze. Right, Understand the nature of your opposition,
not what you would do if you were the opposition.
And when you look at someone like Joe Biden, Clay,
this guy has never even I think Joe Biden thinks
that he doesn't have six months left on this earth
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if he's not an office, meaning I think that his
purpose for getting up in the morning and all the
rest of it evaporates. And that's why with something you
see this, it's not calling out the boomers on this one,
but this is true in that generation, a lot of
them don't want to give it up, want to keep going.
We see this in media where there are people who
clearly have lost many a step and they are still
desperate to get back on camera, back behind the microphone
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when they don't have it anymore, but they don't care.
There's still a lot of that that goes on because
people start to consider their purpose, what their job is,
or their role. I should say, it's more than a job,
it's a role. And for Joe Biden, there is nothing
other than this. So that's why. And people that say,
I look, I disagree with those who say Joe Biden's
not making the decisions. There's some cabal. Joe Biden's the president.
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He actually is making the decisions. There's nobody other than
Jill Biden who can get in his ear. It's amazing
Hunter Biden apparently one of his senior advisors. Now I
thought he had no idea what Hunter was up to.
People have been putting that out as well.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I will say that argument you make there is actually,
I don't think, a bad one, and it's been one
that they argue in sports all the time. There are
old coaches who will stay in the job and then
it's like as soon as they give up the head
coaching job, they're done. And I think some of them
are aware that without that purpose in structure around them,
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that they will not last very long. I don't so
to me, Joe Biden, it's I you know, for him,
it's it's a binary. It's he either stays in this
and sees where it goes, or he basically gives up
and is just counting the days until he's no longer
with us. I mean, I don't think that he views
himself as having purpose beyond it. I think the numbers
(26:21):
back up Joe Biden staying in in his mind no
matter what, and I certainly do. I have not seen
a single how is this possible?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Everyone? We haven't seen a single poll, not one that
shows any of the Democrats in contention doing better against
Trump than Joe Biden is. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Have you seen Michelle Obama against Trump yet?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Is there even a poll on it?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I'm saying they haven't. Really.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think now there's a CNN poll we'll talk about
here in a moment. I think they're saving. There's going
to be a Michelle Obama versus Trump poll that I
think they're saving to try to because you're right, it's
like Biden again. I mean, sorry, it's like Trump against
may Or Pete. It's Trump against Kamala. Although the new
CNN poll does show Kamala doing it better than Biden.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And let me let me put this. If you were
on a put this down in simple terms, right, if
you're on a on a used car lot, okay, pre owned,
I believe the preferred nomenclature a pre owned car lot.
And I I well, my first car was a wood
paneled Roadmaster station Wagon that I think we ended up
selling for one thousand dollars. So that was my first car.
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My second car was was a pre owned, a pre
owned Audi that had you know, some bunch of miles
on it. But I liked it, so I drove around anyway.
My point here is, if someone's been telling you the
whole time you're on the lot, this is the car
for you. I see you in this I'm telling you,
this is the one. It's perfect for you, this is
the only one that you want, this is the only car.
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And they even get close to a sale and then
all of a sudden they go, you know what, forget
this car over, here is the car for you. I
think that most people react badly to that as a
sales pitch, because you've been telling me the whole time
that this is perfect. Yeah, and now you're gonna walk
me over here and say that is perfect to do
what people are talking about now, which would be not
only to skip over Biden, to skip over Biden and
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to elevate I'm sorry, elevate someone over Kamala. Okay, push
Biden aside and push Kamala aside would be the Democrat
equivalent of all of a sudden saying you know, you
don't want a Super Wu you want an RV. It's like, wait,
what I thought I was in the super Woo buying
game here, now I'm buying an art like it's just
too much, too much change at this stage to be effective.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
In my opinion, I think that's an interesting argument, except
the only thing I would say is you've already decided
what type of car you've got, and now they suddenly
have a car on the lot. In other words, like
you're a Chevy guy or you're a Ford guy and
they've got a brand new car and you suddenly found
out you can drive it instead of the car that's
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not as nice, that's older. But let me play this.
I do want to play this because what is undoubtedly
true and I think we would agree on this is
the Overton window for what you're allowed to say on
CNN and MSNBC changed substantially on Thursday. Listen to what
James Carvel just said yesterday buck about get rid of
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Biden on Jake Tapper's show. This would have never happened
prior to Thursday's debate. Listen, what do you think the
Democrats should do something different?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
All right? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
It'll be messy. It'll be a mess and you know
that's what change is. But if the Democratic Party is
so committed to the status quo, and so committed to
sticking with something that three quarters of the country doesn't want,
then we have to say why do we exist?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What are we here for?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
If we can't bring something that people want? I have
to doubt our rationale for being here. I really do.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Interesting. You would have never heard that before Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Move on, or it's an existential threat to the Democrat
Party itself. Just what you're allowed to say has changed substantially.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, James Carville does not have much sway in the
decision making realm of the Democrat Party. If any, he
doesn't matter right now. He's a talking head on CNN.
The guy's past. You know, he's passed his prime, he's
lost his fastball. No one really cares. I think you're
gonna hear a lot of this because it's the interesting thing.
It's it's a more it's the more exciting conversation. You know,
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the unknown doing crazy things, mixing it up, you know,
letting our democracy be messy, or whatever the Democrats want
to say about it. One thing I learned at the CIA,
the boring status quo almost always wins. The boring status
quo is incredibly powerful inertia, whether in government or in politics,
or you name it. Iner is the eight hundred pound
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beast that gets overlooked by everybody. It just is the
couple that you expect to get divorced never gets divorced. Yeah,
this is what I you know, It's just yeah, people
don't people. You know, when when you think big change
is coming, you have to understand the forces that are
raided against it. And it's not always what the best
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argument is. It's this sense of what is will be,
and laziness often reigns supreme, and what is known is
better than what is unknown. I again, if I am
wrong on this, when I will eat my hat and
Clay will eat a very delicious steak courtesy of the
Buck Fund. But it's Biden or Harris. I think that's
very much the case in Clay. Every day that past
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makes Biden dropping out a worse option. That's the other
part of this too. No, it hasn't happen soon. We
agree on that too. I mean, you know they're going
to wait two weeks for this to happen. I mean,
are we gonna be having this conversation the first week
of August? They're gonna replace Biden at that point? You know,
when do people realize, No, they are not Buck Island.
It's a beautiful place. There's still a real estate available.
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Talk to your broker. It's important. I'm just saying, call us,
let us know what you think. Tell me how much
you agree with me, and how much you disagree with
Clay eight hundred two two two eight a two.
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Uh.
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck, We'll take some of
your calls here, and also I'll let you know where
we're going next. More on the way the media is
trying to convince you that the whole Biden thing is
not a not a total joke at this point. Also,
did you talk yesterday Clay about Kamala video. I didn't.
I missed some parts of the show. I listened where
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I could, but we talk, not play.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
You're talking about we can't on the unburdened thing like
we can't.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
No, I mean, well she when she did the video
with Uhay, No, I didn't talk about the base time
with the bet Award thing. They try to make Kamala
seem likable and hip and relatable, and I swear everything
she's everything Kamala says. It just reminds you of the
most boring and most unself aware, like corporate DEI lecture
(34:27):
you've ever heard in your life. And that she's also
an awful actress. Like I know that I can't act.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
So if you give me a script and ask me
to say exactly what's on it, I don't even try
to do it right. I can talk, you know, stemporaneously.
I can tell you what you would think somebody would
sit down with her and say, hey, Kamala, after that
Moon video where you talked about all the creators on
the Moon with all the kid actors, let's not have
you act anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Just just no more of this. And yet they still
do it. Let's get Bill and Lafayette, Louisiana wondering what's
going on here? What's going on Bill rather.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Hey Clay, hey Buck, pleasure to be on your show.
So my process is that Trump has had this huge
search in the polls due to the fake Marshawn and
Alvin Bragg case. Now what happens if Biden does a
complete one to eighty, which he's been doing left and right,
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and pardons Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I can tell you my reaction to this is it's
too late. He's allowed this to go on. He's allowed
the Supreme Court to weigh in in ways that clearly
benefit Trump. He allowed the prosecution, not that he could
stop it, but he didn't speak out against the prosecution
in New York City. I think it would just make it.
There was a time when Biden could have been magnanimous
(35:49):
Bill to the question you're asking and said, let's just
let the election decide. No, no, no, you can't. They
can't get Florida done, They're probably not getting DC done,
they can't get Atlanta done. New York is a joke.
To come in now and be the the magnanimous Biden
would just look weak. I think I think Bill's hit
on that.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's probably Hail Mary time, and so I don't think
it's crazy to wonder that. I think the way he
would do it, if he did it buck, is that's
how he would pardon Hunter. He would say, I'm going
to pardon my son and I'm partnering pardoning Trump going
after individual families is the wrong. It's time for me
to rise above that. Again, it's a desperate like I'm
trying to change the narrative move. But I think it
(36:32):
would have been better when he wasn't losing, because when
you're wing, it looks desperate, it looks desperate, it looks
like it looks like a Hail Mary, right, and you
know if you're trying to pretend that that's not where
you are.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Also, I mean Hunter Biden is getting pardoned not until
after the election. That is the other we agree on
that too. Yeah, we'll get in more of this and
Kamala trying to seem cool and normal. We all know
how that goes. We'll talk about it.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've been talking about
the decision to push the sentencing date on Trump. How
long that could go on. That is the latest legal news.
But Buck is back yesterday. I told you that I
maintain my position that that Biden will not be the nominee.
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Buck remains on Buck Island. Someone sent me a note
by the way that I screenshotted Buck. I thought you
would appreciate this. There is, in fact a Buck Island.
One of our listeners sent me this and I screenshot
it because I thought it was great. Let me see
if I can find it. Loved your banter about this
is from Bob. Loved your Thank you, Bob, loved your
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banner about buck Island. Again, I'm saying buck island because
that's totally different movie.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
If I change one.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Word on Friday, I have a beach home on Buck
Island located in Corolla, North Carolina. If I think I'm
pronouncing that right, great beach town on the outer ps.
Biden will never resign. I've had to handle aging parents.
Hardest thing to do was to get them to give
up their car and agree to go to assisted living.
(01:12):
So buck the latest. So I do love this, and
I think you'll appreciate this. Yesterday we ran through the
excuses that have been trotted out for Biden's performance in
the debate, Among them, the makeup artists did not do
a good enough job, the advisors over prepared him, the
debate was too late, CNN was rigged against him. All
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of those trotted out. I did love this. I saw
this last night. They got on with the top campaign
surrogates and officials and they said, according to CNN, this
was Jen O'Malley Dixon. I tweeted this out last night.
I saw you guys. We were tweeting out this story
(01:56):
this morning. Here's what she said. He's probably in better
health than most of us. That is the argument that
they are trying to make right now now, and I
post it on Twitter. Unless everyone else on this call
is dead, that is not true. I appreciate that there
are lots of arguments that can be made claiming that
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Joe Biden is in better health than most of the
people working.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
On the Biden campaign.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Either their campaign is in a cemetery, and we know
Democrats are quite good at mobilizing cemetaries historically. But either
everyone is dead on this campaign or Jen O'Malley Dixon
is just lying in a ridiculous fashion to say that
his health is better than most of the people on
the campaign.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They are going to have this moment, this sort of
spasm of outrage and unintentional honesty, and it will pass,
and they will rally, they will circle the wagons, they
will get ready for whatever they have to do in
order to try to push Biden Ford. I want to
(03:07):
be very clear because I'm sure that they're my belief
all along, and my prediction along has been Biden or Kamala,
Biden or Kamala. I still think it is likely to
be Biden, but in my mind, I'm one hundred percent
sure it is Biden or Kamala. So I think Biden
will be the guy. Buck Island is a place of truth,
(03:29):
justice and accuracy, and many of you are welcome. By
the way, there's plenty of plenty of land.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
This is where we agree. There is lots of room
on Buck Island right now. There have been a lot
of that. There have been a lot of people finding rafts,
finding floating floating pineapples to hang on to I think.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You were like Buck, I was with you all along.
I'm like, ah, vip Emailer, I think you were with
Clay about three months ago. But that's all right, that's
all right. You want to you scramble on the Buck Island.
You are welcome. He years. The biggest challenge for the
Democrats right now as I see it, First of all,
there's legitimate we believe that the Democrat Party operates. I
(04:11):
think you usually think this about your opponents, because I
hear Democrats say this about Republicans. They're so ruthlessly efficient
and they always have a plan. And as a Republican
you sit there, you're like, have you been awake the
last twenty years? Like we make horrible mistakes all over
the place as a party, because these are just people
running these things, and people are flawed and make dumb decisions. Okay.
(04:32):
I think that the Democrats did lull themselves into a
false sense of security because of all the legal stuff
against Trump. You have to think of all this as
they thought they had, you know, Big Bertha to deploy.
For those of you who are World War One history buffs, right,
they thought they had the Mega canon to end all canons.
(04:53):
Which was this law fair and they were going to
pummel the enemy with it and all the I think, actually,
did Big Birth even see them usage, I don't think,
so what are you looking?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So they didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
By the way, I'm going to give you historical credit here.
They stole the Big Bertha driver name Callaway did.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
From the cannon.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes, of course, because when I hear as a bad golfer,
when I hear big Bertha, I think about, you know,
the big driver.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That they I didn't realize at the golf club. I
think of the the giant howitzer from World War One.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I didn't even realize that they have stolen. I was like, oh,
big Berth. I mean, I've heard that phrase for a
long time, but I didn't even realize where it originated from.
But I think of the driver, which was I think
a Calaway driver, which they made probably a billion dollars
selling over the years, so I believe. So I this
came up when I was reading my Fahrenbach book on
the Indian Wars. The Mountain howitzer was a very powerful
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weapon used in the mid nineteenth century against the you know, tribes,
and I was like, Howitzer. This must be named for somebody.
It actually is a word that comes from I believe
the Czech and the Germans started to use it, taking
it from the check in the early nineteenth century. And
then we just took the word howitzer from them because like,
you never even think about this, like there was no
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big general howitzer. You usually we have military things, you know, Yeah,
Nimitz class carrier, it's a you know, Abram's tank or
and we usually name these after people. But yes, the
Big Bertha was what they called a massive siege howitzer
built by a crop in Germany. So where was I before?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh, so they thought they had Big Bertha, and they
big Bertha was the lawfair right, and they figured, Okay,
that's gonna mean that we can just push Biden forward
on the basement campaign again more or less Rudolph a prompter.
Everything has to be reevaluated in the context of the
lawfair stuff not only has failed but has backfired. Right,
(06:48):
That's I think they never they never thought even if
it didn't work that well, which they must have considered
as a possibility, they never considered that it would make
Trump more popular to be a convicted felon. And so
this is why when people say, oh, they offered him
up in this debate to knock him down. No, they
were desperate. That's why they put him forward in the
debate because none of the stuff that they've been thinking
(07:10):
is working. This is basically my way of saying, Clay,
we shouldn't overestimate the strategy of the other side. I
think they have walked into bear trap after bear trap,
and they just hit themselves in the face with a rake.
I mean, they're having problems even within that context. And
I do believe that we agree that the lawfair has
blown up in their face and it potentially I hate
(07:31):
to even have to use a soccer analogy. After the
US men's soccer team choked as they always do in
any game that it feels like matters again last night
against against Uruguay or anybody who actually watched, they don't
know what percentage of you did. But even for the
own goal standard, this would be the most devastating own goal,
(07:53):
the most devastating self inflicted error in any of our lives,
if you're forty five or fifty or younger, basically all
the way back to Watergate with what Mixon did, this
would be the most destructive own goal ever. Now I
still think buck even within that construct, they and I
(08:16):
don't mean just Democrats at large, who had sort of
ulled themselves into sleep believing that Bien they were buying
the garbageot always sharp as attack behind closed doors. I
do think people believed it.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
We didn't and our audience didn't, and we've been talking
about it for a long time because it was self evident,
but they pretended that it wasn't. I think the Biden
team was in disbelief over how bad.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
He was on June twenty seventh, and so that was
the worst than I thought he would be, and I
worse than I thought that because usually Biden, and I
will admit this, usually Biden has been able to do
the like, well, folks, you're here, I am not a joke,
you know, kind of yellsy greens his fake teeth and
does the whole thing. And it's enough. You know that
the Biden show was kind of enough that even though
(09:01):
he looks frail and decrepit and everything, he can get
away with it. But he was. Look it was the
worst anybody has has really seen him, certainly for any
length of time. And the real, you know, the real kicker.
I think the really difficult thing is that video that's
been going around online of Biden in the twenty twenty
debates versus today. Yes, side by side, he looked like
(09:23):
an old guy in twenty twenty, but he did not
look like a guy who had dementia. I hate you know,
he'd looked too old maybe visually, but the verbal acuity
was there, the thought prize. He was not slowed down.
And that's changed now. I mean, now you have to
openly lie. Now you have to tell you like I
can't see with my eyes, and I don't know if
(09:44):
you've asked.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I've been asking doctors around me, Hey, tell me what
you see. I'm talking about people who deal in treating
dementia and everything else. Everyone that I am talking to
and asking about this private who has watched him says
that the evidence is there of dementia, and he appears
(10:06):
to be at the accelerating era of dementia. And for
those of you who've had to go through with an
elderly parent or grandparent and you've seen someone start to
kind of have signs that things are a little bit awry,
but they can bounce back and they can look better
at times. He's at the point now buck it appears
(10:27):
where it accelerates and over the next six months to
a year, the idea of him being in office and
him being in office now is scary. The idea of
him being in office in twenty eight is so beyond
the pale of what any doctor who looks at him
and starts to analyze his behavior and his symptoms would
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ever be able to forecast.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, I remember I saw this with my maternal grandfather,
who's a great man World War Two veteran and great humanitarian,
built schools front of which kids anyway did amazing stuff.
But just because of age, he got into his eighties
and over the course of about five years, it went
from he was sort of the patriarch of the family
on that side, who sat at the head of the
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table and you.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Know what I mean, was like, yeah, Thanksgiving, he's cutting
the turkey and he's leading, like he was the.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Family statesman of the family, to towards the last five
years of his life, it was in a wheelchair, blanket
on the knees, checking on him, bring you know, taking
real full time care of him. You know, my family,
my aunts, they were taking full time care of him.
The difference there was like five to seven years, I'd say,
from patriarch, you know, at the head of the table
telling stories, to having to bring him his food and
(11:40):
check on him and every you know, he had to
go through dialysis. He had a lot of flat problems
toward the end. And I just remember, you know, this
is a real change that happens, and it can happen rapidly,
and it looks like Biden is in that phase of
his life where that change is undergoing, is has been
underway the last few years.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
People will why, but they'll only lie to the point
where the lies don't start to reflect awfully upon them.
I think in the Democrat Party now, and we'll play
you a cut I thought was emblematic of this from
James Carville. What they did was a step too far
for most Democrats. Because it's one thing to say Biden's
(12:19):
better than Trump, like his apparatus is fine, which is
it's another thing to ask everyone to pretend that what
they saw didn't happen and to dis disallow their own
eyes to speak. And I think we've moved to the
embarrassment now. It's embarrassing to defend Biden. I think that's
what I want to give you. I think the key
(12:41):
argument here, and I'm gonna keep people on the edge
of their seats. The key argument has been made by
a former Obama administration official, echoing the sentiments that we
have shared about how Democrats view their party on this show.
What am I talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
How are they going to turn this around? For Biden?
I will present that clay in a moment. That's what
you call a tea's in the business. And I love
one of our listeners who always emails, just don't say
it's geese. You're killing the tas. Think about it. Every
time you do that.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
By the way, you are giving away you're destroying the No,
it's pretty evident.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's just I know when you send us like one
really good email, either that calls us out about something
that's true and funny or is just generally funny, like
we do remember it for a long time, so very
much in our heads one part of your house that does.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
The other thing that was great yesterday was people were
emailing saying, don't give the Democrats ideas. Do you really
think that I can think up anything? I'm not as
diabolical as they are. Anything that I can think of
they've thought of. Trust me, it reminds me of when
I was a kid. Dad used to say, Hey, whatever
you're thinking of doing, I either did it or thought
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about doing it too. That's the good thing about parenting.
Whatever you can get into, for the most part, your
parents have thought about it too. One part of your
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Speaker 2 (15:17):
All right, welcome back in. What can the Democrats do
to turn things around? Given that we all know that
Biden is walking around like on a version of mister
McGoo for those you remember the old cartoon. Uh, you
think like he'd like go up to a you know,
he'd go up to a water tower and think it
was an ostrich. I mean, you know, mister McGoo was
having some problems. Biden is in a category now where
(15:40):
people can't trust his judgment, that can't trust his ability
to think through things or even stay awake. What do
you do? Well, this has been my argument all along, Clay,
and this is how I think Democrats just try to
rally their side and get through this with Biden still
at the top of the ticket. You make the argument
that you're not voting for a person, you are voting
for a team, a system, if you will, a machine
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that will operate smoothly for the progressive, authoritarian, collectivist, democrat agenda,
irrespective of who is technically signing the bills and grinning
on camera. Here is former Obama administration DHS chief Jay
Johnson saying just that.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Age presidency is more than just one man one woman.
It's an administration. I would take Joe Biden his worst
day at age eighty six, so long as he has
people around him like like Avril Haynes, Samantha Power, Gina
Ramundo supporting him over Donald Trump any day, with the
crowd that was behind him on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now, Clay, I think this is going to be what
eventually is the overwhelming narrative from the media because you
can say what you will. This is at least honest
and it's effectively what I've been saying all along is,
don't worry about who the CEO of Coca Cola is.
You buy Coca Cola stock, Let's say, as an example,
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because it's Coca Cola because of the company, because of
the entity, not because of the person at the top
making the decisions, because there's a lot of decisions being made.
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think it's the most honest argument, and I think
it's likely one that they'll end up with, which is, basically,
our team is better than their team. Yes, you aren't
voting for the quarterback, you aren't voting for the CEO.
You're voting for the collective talent of our team over
the collective talent of their team. Now, I think that
rallies the base. I don't think that necessarily has a
(17:42):
great appeal for independent voters, and I think that's where
the challenge lies, because most independent voters or non traditional
voters are making a decision based on the top of
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Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. One thing here, Buck,
that I do think is significant, and we'll see whether
you're right, and eventually everybody else comes back into the Hey,
you're voting for the team right now. There are a
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lot of people willing to now go public and take
shots at Joe Biden. Last night, Bernstein, Carl Bernstein of
Woodward and Bernstein Fame, went on CNN and said that
there had been fifteen or twenty different significant Biden freezing
(19:38):
moments that everyone had seen, including one back in June
of twenty twenty three, in which case Biden basically froze
and it was like rigor mortis had set in. Now,
one thing I'll say, and I want to play a
James Carvel cut that we have for you on this
in a moment, But Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's very strong by the rigor mortis is like what
happens the stiffening of your body when you're dead. So
that's a correct That's.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
The phrase specifically that Bernstein used on Anderson Cooper Show
last night on CNN. So that's not me characterizing what
he said. He used the phrase rigor mortis setting in
and panic. What I would say is, imagine what doctor
Jill Biden has actually seen.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
She's on the cover of Vogue.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think that she is the biggest villain here of
anybody in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, I mean, if we can't agree or disagree with that,
that's a bold statement. I got to think on that one.
But if we can't trust Democrats to read the Supreme
Court decision, I think that referring to his lady, she
knows he is. If that has happened, everyone's what she's seen,
I know, but everyone's calling her lady Macbeth. And I'm
(20:55):
just saying I don't think Democrats really catch that reference
very much anymore. I think a lot of we'll talk
of this like, oh, lady Macbeth. You know, she must
have been royalty, she must have been great and probably
friends with Fergie. So because that's everyone's calling her Lady
Macbeth these days, that's what I'm seeing all over the internet,
Joe Biden or they'll say like she's, you know, resputant
or something. Look, Clay, this is my fundamental position on
(21:18):
this has not changed. It does not matter what comes
out about this from behind closed doors, because these are
all political calculations that aren't rooted in the reality of
Joe Biden leading and making decisions. It's just about the
perception and dragging him across the finish line. By the way,
I haven't said this in a while. I think Biden
will be the nominee. Still. I don't think he lasts
(21:40):
more than six months into his presidency before Kamala Harris
takes over and then his legacy becomes he bequeathed. You know,
he left for the first black female president three weeks
see here for a moment, because I do think this
factor's in and you're right. If he wins, there's no
way he's served no chance. He's finishing four Nobody believes that.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Agreed, And if he passed the baton da Kamala Harris,
You're right, his legacy would be amazing. He's the trojan horse.
But keep going, what's his legacy? If he loses and
loses the Senate and loses the House, it will be
it will be that Joe Biden lost.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Who cares? Who's next? Let's focus on the future. Donald
Trump passed, or rather Donald Trump can't be president for more
than four years. What's the legacy? This is the other
thing he keeps saying to everybody who really wants to
take over this ticket against Trump right now, you will
get steamroll. The Democrats know this. Gretchen Witmer. A lot
(22:40):
of people can't even spell her name. Who they want
to go out and vote for her? They haven't heard
her name, they don't know who she is. Name recognition
and a national election we are talking about independent, low
propensity voters, et cetera, is absolutely essential. They do not
have a better option to win. Even though Joe Biden
is suffering from dementia and is too old. They don't.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So the question I have here on legacy is not
necessarily larger legacy. What does Biden think his legacy will be?
And what does doctor Jill Biden think that his legacy
is going to be. If he goes out and gets
smoked and then he has dementia and he dies in
three years in an old folks home, people are going
(23:22):
to say, I'm telling you what's coming, that he is
the worst president we've ever had. When you are old,
eventually I hope to get there, you start worrying way
more about your legacy. I don't know about you, Buck.
I think zero about my legacy outside of trying to
raise good kids. I'm not like, hey, if I died tomorrow,
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people would say this or that. I think that does
matter on some level to this extent that Biden has
a functional brain still to not want to go out
getting his ass kicked as his final public appearance and
what used to be and then also the election.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Used to do these drills in the CIA war gaming
drills right when we were doing the classroom training, which
was like a year long. Basically, if you're sitting around
and getting into all these different national security scenarios. Not
a year long, it was less than that, but anyway,
it was a long time. And one of the things
we would do is we would go through these mirror
imaging exercises, and the basic lesson was, don't think that
somebody else will act under the same circumstances the way
(24:20):
that you will understand who they are, because then you'll
know how they will act under the circumstances that you
are trying to analyze. Right, Understand the nature of your opposition,
not what you would do if you were the opposition.
And when you look at someone like Joe Biden, Clay,
this guy has never even I think Joe Biden thinks
that he doesn't have six months left on this earth
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if he's not an office, meaning I think that his
purpose for getting up in the morning and all the
rest of it evaporates. And that's why with something you
see this, it's not calling out the boomers on this one,
but this is true in that generation, a lot of
them don't want to give it up, want to keep going.
We see this in media where there are people who
clearly have lost many a step and they are still
desperate to get back on camera, back behind the microphone
(25:04):
when they don't have it anymore, but they don't care.
There's still a lot of that that goes on because
people start to consider their purpose, what their job is,
or their role. I should say, it's more than a job,
it's a role. And for Joe Biden, there is nothing
other than this. So that's why. And people that say,
I look, I disagree with those who say Joe Biden's
not making the decisions. There's some cabal. Joe Biden's the president.
(25:26):
He actually is making the decisions. There's nobody other than
Jill Biden who can get in his ear. It's amazing
Hunter Biden apparently one of his senior advisors. Now I
thought he had no idea what Hunter was up to.
People have been putting that out as well.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I will say that argument you make there is actually,
I don't think, a bad one, and it's been one
that they argue in sports all the time. There are
old coaches who will stay in the job and then
it's like as soon as they give up the head
coaching job, they're done. And I think some of them
are aware that without that purpose in structure around them,
(26:01):
that they will not last very long. I don't so
to me, Joe Biden, it's I you know, for him,
it's it's a binary. It's he either stays in this
and sees where it goes, or he basically gives up
and is just counting the days until he's no longer
with us. I mean, I don't think that he views
himself as having purpose beyond it. I think the numbers
(26:21):
back up Joe Biden staying in in his mind no
matter what, and I certainly do. I have not seen
a single how is this possible?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Everyone? We haven't seen a single poll, not one that
shows any of the Democrats in contention doing better against
Trump than Joe Biden is. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Have you seen Michelle Obama against Trump yet?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Is there even a poll on it?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I'm saying they haven't. Really.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think now there's a CNN poll we'll talk about
here in a moment. I think they're saving. There's going
to be a Michelle Obama versus Trump poll that I
think they're saving to try to because you're right, it's
like Biden again. I mean, sorry, it's like Trump against
may Or Pete. It's Trump against Kamala. Although the new
CNN poll does show Kamala doing it better than Biden.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And let me let me put this. If you were
on a put this down in simple terms, right, if
you're on a on a used car lot, okay, pre owned,
I believe the preferred nomenclature a pre owned car lot.
And I I well, my first car was a wood
paneled Roadmaster station Wagon that I think we ended up
selling for one thousand dollars. So that was my first car.
(27:32):
My second car was was a pre owned, a pre
owned Audi that had you know, some bunch of miles
on it. But I liked it, so I drove around anyway.
My point here is, if someone's been telling you the
whole time you're on the lot, this is the car
for you. I see you in this I'm telling you,
this is the one. It's perfect for you, this is
the only one that you want, this is the only car.
(27:53):
And they even get close to a sale and then
all of a sudden they go, you know what, forget
this car over, here is the car for you. I
think that most people react badly to that as a
sales pitch, because you've been telling me the whole time
that this is perfect. Yeah, and now you're gonna walk
me over here and say that is perfect to do
what people are talking about now, which would be not
only to skip over Biden, to skip over Biden and
(28:15):
to elevate I'm sorry, elevate someone over Kamala. Okay, push
Biden aside and push Kamala aside would be the Democrat
equivalent of all of a sudden saying you know, you
don't want a Super Wu you want an RV. It's like, wait,
what I thought I was in the super Woo buying
game here, now I'm buying an art like it's just
too much, too much change at this stage to be effective.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
In my opinion, I think that's an interesting argument, except
the only thing I would say is you've already decided
what type of car you've got, and now they suddenly
have a car on the lot. In other words, like
you're a Chevy guy or you're a Ford guy and
they've got a brand new car and you suddenly found
out you can drive it instead of the car that's
(28:57):
not as nice, that's older. But let me play this.
I do want to play this because what is undoubtedly
true and I think we would agree on this is
the Overton window for what you're allowed to say on
CNN and MSNBC changed substantially on Thursday. Listen to what
James Carvel just said yesterday buck about get rid of
(29:18):
Biden on Jake Tapper's show. This would have never happened
prior to Thursday's debate. Listen, what do you think the
Democrats should do something different?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
All right? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
It'll be messy. It'll be a mess and you know
that's what change is. But if the Democratic Party is
so committed to the status quo, and so committed to
sticking with something that three quarters of the country doesn't want,
then we have to say why do we exist?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What are we here for?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
If we can't bring something that people want? I have
to doubt our rationale for being here. I really do.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Interesting. You would have never heard that before Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Move on, or it's an existential threat to the Democrat
Party itself. Just what you're allowed to say has changed substantially.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, James Carville does not have much sway in the
decision making realm of the Democrat Party. If any, he
doesn't matter right now. He's a talking head on CNN.
The guy's past. You know, he's passed his prime, he's
lost his fastball. No one really cares. I think you're
gonna hear a lot of this because it's the interesting thing.
It's it's a more it's the more exciting conversation. You know,
(30:39):
the unknown doing crazy things, mixing it up, you know,
letting our democracy be messy, or whatever the Democrats want
to say about it. One thing I learned at the CIA,
the boring status quo almost always wins. The boring status
quo is incredibly powerful inertia, whether in government or in politics,
or you name it. Iner is the eight hundred pound
(31:02):
beast that gets overlooked by everybody. It just is the
couple that you expect to get divorced never gets divorced. Yeah,
this is what I you know, It's just yeah, people
don't people. You know, when when you think big change
is coming, you have to understand the forces that are
raided against it. And it's not always what the best
(31:22):
argument is. It's this sense of what is will be,
and laziness often reigns supreme, and what is known is
better than what is unknown. I again, if I am
wrong on this, when I will eat my hat and
Clay will eat a very delicious steak courtesy of the
Buck Fund. But it's Biden or Harris. I think that's
very much the case in Clay. Every day that past
(31:45):
makes Biden dropping out a worse option. That's the other
part of this too. No, it hasn't happen soon. We
agree on that too. I mean, you know they're going
to wait two weeks for this to happen. I mean,
are we gonna be having this conversation the first week
of August? They're gonna replace Biden at that point? You know,
when do people realize, No, they are not Buck Island.
It's a beautiful place. There's still a real estate available.
(32:07):
Talk to your broker. It's important. I'm just saying, call us,
let us know what you think. Tell me how much
you agree with me, and how much you disagree with
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck, We'll take some of
your calls here, and also I'll let you know where
we're going next. More on the way the media is
trying to convince you that the whole Biden thing is
not a not a total joke at this point. Also,
did you talk yesterday Clay about Kamala video. I didn't.
I missed some parts of the show. I listened where
(33:55):
I could, but we talk, not play.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
You're talking about we can't on the unburdened thing like
we can't.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
No, I mean, well she when she did the video
with Uhay, No, I didn't talk about the base time
with the bet Award thing. They try to make Kamala
seem likable and hip and relatable, and I swear everything
she's everything Kamala says. It just reminds you of the
most boring and most unself aware, like corporate DEI lecture
(34:27):
you've ever heard in your life. And that she's also
an awful actress. Like I know that I can't act.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
So if you give me a script and ask me
to say exactly what's on it, I don't even try
to do it right. I can talk, you know, stemporaneously.
I can tell you what you would think somebody would
sit down with her and say, hey, Kamala, after that
Moon video where you talked about all the creators on
the Moon with all the kid actors, let's not have
you act anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Just just no more of this. And yet they still
do it. Let's get Bill and Lafayette, Louisiana wondering what's
going on here? What's going on Bill rather.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Hey Clay, hey Buck, pleasure to be on your show.
So my process is that Trump has had this huge
search in the polls due to the fake Marshawn and
Alvin Bragg case. Now what happens if Biden does a
complete one to eighty, which he's been doing left and right,
(35:26):
and pardons Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I can tell you my reaction to this is it's
too late. He's allowed this to go on. He's allowed
the Supreme Court to weigh in in ways that clearly
benefit Trump. He allowed the prosecution, not that he could
stop it, but he didn't speak out against the prosecution
in New York City. I think it would just make it.
There was a time when Biden could have been magnanimous
(35:49):
Bill to the question you're asking and said, let's just
let the election decide. No, no, no, you can't. They
can't get Florida done, They're probably not getting DC done,
they can't get Atlanta done. New York is a joke.
To come in now and be the the magnanimous Biden
would just look weak. I think I think Bill's hit
on that.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's probably Hail Mary time, and so I don't think
it's crazy to wonder that. I think the way he
would do it, if he did it buck, is that's
how he would pardon Hunter. He would say, I'm going
to pardon my son and I'm partnering pardoning Trump going
after individual families is the wrong. It's time for me
to rise above that. Again, it's a desperate like I'm
trying to change the narrative move. But I think it
(36:32):
would have been better when he wasn't losing, because when
you're wing, it looks desperate, it looks desperate, it looks
like it looks like a Hail Mary, right, and you
know if you're trying to pretend that that's not where
you are.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Also, I mean Hunter Biden is getting pardoned not until
after the election. That is the other we agree on
that too. Yeah, we'll get in more of this and
Kamala trying to seem cool and normal. We all know
how that goes. We'll talk about it.
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