July 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and exclusive interview with retired Louisville police officer Sergeant John Mattingly, offering a firsthand account of the controversial Breonna Taylor raid. This hour centers on Mattingly’s detailed retelling of the events that led to the shooting, his injury during the operation, and the recent 33-month prison sentence handed down to fellow officer Brett Hankison—a sentence Mattingly and the hosts argue is a miscarriage of justice.
Mattingly challenges the mainstream narrative surrounding the Breonna Taylor case, disputing claims that the raid was conducted at the wrong address or under a no-knock warrant. He asserts that officers knocked and announced themselves, and that Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired first, striking Mattingly in the leg. The conversation highlights the legal inconsistencies, including alleged misconduct by the Biden Department of Justice, and contrasts it with the more restrained approach of the Trump DOJ, which had recommended only a one-day sentence.
The hosts and Mattingly call for President Trump to issue a pardon or commutation for Hankison, emphasizing the unprecedented nature of his conviction—being the only officer in U.S. history sentenced for returning fire without hitting anyone. They argue this sets a dangerous precedent for law enforcement nationwide.
The hour also explores Breonna Taylor’s alleged ties to drug trafficking, including her relationship with Jamarcus Glover, and disputes her portrayal as an innocent EMT. Mattingly outlines evidence linking Taylor to Glover’s criminal enterprise, including financial records, vehicle registrations, and jailhouse communications.
Listeners are urged to reconsider the media narrative, with the hosts asserting that the BLM movement, the George Floyd protests, and woke politics have contributed to a climate where police are vilified and criminals are emboldened. The segment ends with a broader discussion on the erosion of public trust in law enforcement, the psychological toll on officers, and the need for a national counter-revolution to restore law and order.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, welcome back in clay Travis buck Sexton show. You
never know what you may get on the program. From
minutes to minute, we were just talking about the decision
made to give one of the police officers in Louisville, Kentucky,
a thirty three month prison sentence, despite the fact that
the Trump Department of Justice had suggested just one day,
(00:21):
and we were walking through the Breonna Taylor information and
giving people more about that because it's been several years
and some of you may well have forgotten about what
took place there. Well, listening in Louisville, Kentucky was one
of the officers involved in that raid. His name is
(00:42):
John Mattingly and he is with us now and so
I want to bring him in and I'll just say,
first of all, thanks for listening and broadly, just tell
us what happened on that day and what you think
about the thirty three month sentence that you're her former
police officer colleague got in that case. And obviously thanks
(01:04):
for listening. What can you tell us about that day?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, Clayon Travis, I appreciate you guys having me on
and being willing to get it from you know, first hand.
Source somebody who's kind of been through the fire and
all this thing. First off, let me start with the decision.
I think the judge when it was the Biden DOJ,
did everything they asked for in the case. In the trial,
there were so many things that were unprofessional by that DOJ.
(01:31):
I've never set on a side and felt like it
was a defense attorney over there with underhand tactics, lying.
She did not allow cell phones to get entered into
evidence or the ones that were in evidence. She refused
to let him at trial at the end, when the
jurors kept coming back going, man, we got a hung jury.
We got a hung jury. And then they asked the
question should we assume Rihanna is dead or alive? She said,
(01:55):
assumed she was dead or alive, which totally negates the
legal process and the judge's influence on the jury, because
in order for a statute such as the civil rights violation,
the person has to be alive. And there were just
so many things, man, And I think the appeal is
so strong and going to go very quickly once the
process starts, if this DOJ even allows it. Because I
(02:18):
was sitting in the courtroom and I saw two faces
to the DOJ, the one under Biden and the one
under Trump, and the one under Trump was so rational
and logical, like any human being would look at a
process and go, this is the way it should be.
This makes sense when you look at the facts of
the case, and anything outside of this scope is unreasonable.
(02:39):
And so I'm so happy that Trump's back in. I
think if once this word gets out on how this
DJ is actually treating police officers now, not as some
kind of wicked racist, you know, hateful people, as opposed
to people who are risking their lives simply trying to
get central off the street, trying to get murderers off
the street, because every time an action is taken. I've
(03:01):
talked to thousands of cops across the country. When I
speak and over and over, the sentiment I get from
them is simply, we're scared to do our job. Anything
we do. You know, you've got to worry about the
bad guy in front of you shooting you're hurting you.
But more importantly, you got to worry about the government
behind your stabbing you in the back.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So you you, sir, you were inkos, You you were
at that raid, you were shot in the leg, correct.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes, it ripped through my primeral artery. Thank god for
a tournique, or I wouldn't even be talking to you.
So I had a five and a half hour surgery
replaced four inches of the artery with the vein. And yeah,
and that's the part that gets missed over. You know,
you talk about the active aggressor in this case was
Kenneth Walker her boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Right, Well, see hit.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
The storyline, the storyline.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Take us through that day. Yes, uh, just tell us
what happened through.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
The raid, What happened at the raid.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
A lot of people don't know that story, so just
take us there, tell us.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. Yeah, let me tell about a couple of the
falsehoods that the ben Crumps of the world put out,
and that was simply him and Kamala Harris and Lebron
James and all these fools in Hollywood and the sports
world were like, he said we had the wrong house,
which is a lie. He said she was asleep in bed,
which is a lie. They said it was a no
knock warrant, which was a lie, and that the boyfriend
(04:19):
that we were quote looking for had been in custody
for ten hours, which was a lie. So when we
get up to the door. Our first knock, a normal knock.
Nobody came to the door. So we started banging, I
mean the loud everybody knows the police knock, especially in
that world. Banging, banging, banging, screaming, police search, warrant, plice search, warring.
And this went on for a minute, which when you're
(04:39):
at a door, that feels like an eternity. I mean,
we're just banging. A neighbor came out. We got into
an interaction with them. They went back inside, and after
a minute of them not coming to the door and
us knocking and announcing, we breached the door. And as
soon as that door was breached and I stepped into
the doorframe, I was met with a shot from Kenneth
Walker that ripped through my leg. I was able to
(05:01):
return a few shots before I got out of the
line of fire, and that's when the guy behind me
stepped up and began shooting as I went out. Well,
Brett was the third one in the stack. And this
is the whole premise of this case. They get Smiths understood.
And I had questions at first too, because we're not
trained to shoot through windows. That's not how we're trained. However,
there's always exigent circumstances to things, and when Brett was
(05:25):
at the door with me, he was the third one
in the stack. He saw the shot, heard it, saw
me go down, and say I was shot. He circled
around the front of the building as these shots were
ringing out repeatedly by the other officer at the door.
He could see the flashes through the window, and in
his mind he thought we were still getting fired upon
by the individual inside. We were told when we went
(05:47):
to this warrant, by the brief of the investigators that
did the case, that it was just going to be
Bona at home. She's alone, no dogs, no kids, no boyfriends,
no weapons. So in our mind, that's what we expecting
because we thought they did a thorough investigation, which comes
to find out they didn't. So once we're met with
fire and all this gunfire is getting exchanged, Brett circles
(06:09):
around to the front and sees that these flashes of
the flame in the dark of the night in this house,
and he's like, man, my guys are getting executed at
the doorway because he knew I'd already been shot, was down,
so he started firing through the windows in an attempt
only to stop the threat, only to get that guy
to quit shooting, because in his mind what he perceived
in that moment, in those few seconds, and this thing
(06:31):
was quick. I mean it was starting over within twelve seconds.
It was completely silent after twelve seconds. And so that's
the premise the case. That's where how they know.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, this is this is important. I'm glad you shared
all that with us, because I think a lot of
people out there listening right now are probably reacting as
many other jurors have, which is, you got shot by
someone inside of this apartment. How in the world is
a police officer returning fire at what he thinks is
someone trying to kill his fellow officers guilty of a
(07:04):
crime that would necessitate him being in prison for three years.
That seems crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And deprivation of civil rights specifically, which try to square
that circle.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, it doesn't even meet the standards of that number one.
But secondly, Brett is the only officer ever charged for
returning fire after being fired upon that hit no one.
He's the only officer in American history has been charged
with that and not.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, look, I mean, I think the good news is that, Uh, well,
we can share our opinions here freely. We don't have
to pretend to be sitting on the fence on these
kinds of things. I think President Trump should commuter part
in this. You know, Brett Hankinson immediately. And I know
that there are people who listen to this show who
are close to the President, who are right now in
the White House. So I think President Trump, and I'll
(07:52):
share this publicly, should at least step in with a
commutation of this clay. I mean I would, I would
say an outright pardon the notion that this officer might
serve or could even theoretically sir before appeal almost three
years in prison for shooting a gun when someone's been
shooting at officers and he didn't even hit anybody. It's just,
it's just it's it's a case that is, but it's
so instructive about how vile the Biden administration was when
(08:16):
it came to throwing law enforcement under the bus.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me ask you this, sergeant Maddingly, who hit I
don't even remember who hit Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
One of my bullets hit I believe her left leg.
Because as soon as Kenneth's shot, he dove into a
bedroom because he was right on a wall and she
was she was on the outside of me. Number one,
Why do you bring your girlfriend out in the hall
if you really think you're getting broken into to staying
with you. So as soon as he shot, he dove
out of the way like a coward. She attempted to following.
One of my bullets struck her armor leg I can't
(08:46):
remember which one. And then the other officer who was
firing over top of me once I went down, actually
struck her and and and tragically, you know, nobody wanted
her to die, but tragically, one of the bullets struck
her a order, and the medical examiner said, had she
been shot at the door of the emergency room, she
would not have lived. She died that quickly because it
(09:08):
ripped through her air order and she bled out. So
the premise that that we did not render aid, which
is what the judge said, blew my mind. And I'm
like number one. Kennis Walker didn't even call nine one
one for six and a half minutes after this incident happened.
He refused to come out into almost seventeen minutes after
this incident happened, he had no blood on him, and
when he came out, he actually told the police unseen
(09:31):
on bodycam, that Brianna is the one that shot because
she was scared.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
So this dude's I forget.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Did he have a criminal lied? He lied about who
fired the shot on body camera?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yes, yes, I've got that video.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, well, but did he have a previous criminal record.
I'm trying to remember all the facts of the case.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He had been arrested one time with a gun in marijuana,
and originally he lost his rights to a weapon. They
amended it down to a misdemeanor, like all these courts
do for the for the thugs, and then he got
his rights back for the gun. However, in his text
threat on the phone they did download from him, He's
on there dealing drugs to people. He's talked about home invasions.
(10:12):
So this guy was not this saint that they put out.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
How many people do you think No, I appreciate you
calling in. I mean, obviously we didn't schedule this. You
heard us talking about it. You're on I'm assuming in
Louisville listening to us there. We have a big audience.
How many people do you think know the full story here?
Because I think Buck's right, President Trump should commute your
fellow officer. This thirty three month sentence is crazy for
(10:36):
what he was charged with. The initial by the way,
warrant For people out there who don't know, you were
told that she was there by herself. Well, what was
the intent of the warrant? What were you going to
try to do?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well? This was going to be a Rico case on
this JaMarcus Clover, who had just been a menace. He
had six or seven pending selony cases in circuit court
for guns and drugs, fentanyl, all this stuff she was
This is what tied him to her apartment that everybody
asked about. His ID had her address, his vehicles were
(11:09):
registered to her address, his phone came back to her address,
his bank account had her address. In January, two months
prior to this incident, he was arrested on a warrant
for drugs and guns on a search warrant where they
got seven guns and a bunch of dope. And she's
the one that bailed him out. And when she was
there to bail him out, she gave her addresses his
and gave her phone number as his, so everything tied
(11:30):
back to her. On jail, records her talking. It's got
him talking about Brionna held all of our money because
his baby mama was ticked off that fourteen thousand his
was at her house and he said, well, maybe she
holds all of our money. And so she was tied
into this. And in twenty seventeen, she rented a car
that a person was murdered in and they found a
(11:51):
vehicle with this dude shot in the head, and when
they asked her about it, she was like, I don't
know what happened to the car, give it to JaMarcus
Glover and nothing was ever done with that. She was
not an EMT. And I'm not bashing her, but all
the media lot about all this stuff. She was not
an EMT. She got fired in twenty seventeen after only
five months of being on the job, wasn't even off probation,
and the city did a no rehire clause, which is
(12:14):
rare in most instances. So there was some pretty serious
stuff tied to that. And so this whole case of
y'all shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well,
she was part of this organization. She may not have
been the one physically slinging the drugs but she was
out there, she was deeply involved.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
This, Suspan. So we appreciate you calling us and filling
in our audience because this is great and.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You're doing a service by telling the people the truth
about this. And also, like I said, we've got senators,
we've got people in and around Trump at the White
House who are.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Going to be hearing this.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And there's absolutely no way that that officer should be
serving a day in prison for this.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's a total outrage of the justice system.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, one of the travesties in this case, guys, is
that from the beginning, our department refused to combat any
of the lies. They've never told the truth about it.
Our mayor at the time, super little did they no,
they couldn't violating law or violating a pologies I wanted to.
They demoted me down into the property room from my
(13:15):
narcotics post. And when that happened, and the only reason
they did is because I wrote a book and started
talking about it is to tell the truth, and they
were trying to do anything they could to fire me.
And I saw the writing on the wall, and I
wanted my pension because that was the only way I
was going to be able to feed my family. So
I retired on on accord because they were trying to
push me out. And I wrote a book, twelve Seconds
(13:36):
in the Dark, and you get it on my website.
And the only reason I wrote that wasn't for fame
or notoriety, but because no one was telling the truth.
Everybody had all these misconceptions of the case, and I
was frustrated, and so we put that out there and
word has spread some. But when you're let's just face it,
I'm a nobody. You guys didn't know who I was
(13:56):
except for what you saw on the media, So nobody
like me. It's hard to get the it's hard to
push this agenda when all the factors are against you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
John Mattingly dot com is his site officer. Mattingly, thank
you so much for shedding some very important light on
this case. And we're going to stay on it and
a lot more people know about it now than did
just a couple hours ago, So thank you well.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I mean,
that was I think an unexpected but incredibly compelling story
that I think a lot of you probably have not
heard because you may see the headlines, but I don't
think you've heard from certainly the officer who got shot
going in on the Breonna Taylor raid Or knew that
(15:27):
a guy got nearly three years in prison for firing
and not hitting anyone after he was the third guy
going in when his buddy got shot.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The judge just happened. This just happened today, Clay. Just
to be clear, I mean, this was breaking news that's
not getting a lot of coverage. I'm hoping it gets
more coverage now. Everybody, you know, you tell your evening
TV show host or whatever to put this on because.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
People should know about this.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Completely just throwing the cops under the bus here because
of the the you know, post George Floyd rage mob
on the street, and the Biden administration was.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Just this is what you heard it from from the
office himself.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Toty railroaded these guys completely. And I think the fact
that this is not getting very much attention. They paid,
by the way, twelve million dollars to Breonna Taylor her
state twelve million dollars. I think a lot of you
out there saying, wait a minute. They were rating a
(16:30):
drug dealer's girlfriend who had been providing all sorts of
according to that call, and based on some of the
evidence out there, clearly illegal conspiracy help to the drug
dealing boyfriend and her family. I think an executed person
in the trunk of a car you rented is a
pretty big red flag. I'm going to say that somebody
(16:51):
executed with a headshot in the car, in the trunk
of the car, you might want to find different people
to hang out with at that point. Also, I don't know,
I get calls when I have a d in the
car if I turn it back. I think a dead
body in the trunk of the car that you read
it would raise a few red flags. I don't know
anything about that, asked the guy I was letting drive
around the car anyway? Really compelling? I thought conversation there
(17:15):
and I think Buck made the case and I think
it's a very strong one that there should be one
percent should be I believe a commutation coming from the
president over this case. And again his Department of Justice suggested,
why not a pardon? In your mind, that's an important
on you. You don't think pardon, I think pardon. I think
I think it's just that think punishments too harsh. I
(17:36):
think the whole charges. I think a pardon is certainly
in order. The fact that you would allow this guy
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Welcome back in, Clay. Travis buck Sexton show lots of
(18:40):
reaction pouring in to Sergent Mattingley calling in from Louisville.
If you only caught a part of that discussion, then
the podcast version of the full interview will be going
up and you'll be able to hear all of all
the details associated with fat Kevin in South Florida. CC
(19:05):
has a talkback relating to the conversation we just had
again at the top of this hour with Sargent Maddingley
who called in from Louisville. Kevin, what you got for
us here.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Clay Brook, Just great show, but just listening to this
whole thing on Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, this is completely different.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Than I thought this story. When I thought there was
a no knock, they busted in.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
They had the wrong house.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
She was a MP person for years on the job,
as what the media was saying, had no idea she
was a fired employee, didn't make it past probation. This
is just unbelievable. This is how bad our government has gotten. Well,
I mean, thanks for the talkback. And by the way,
anybody can react to a two to two eight a
two eight hundred and two, a two to two eight
(19:50):
a two if you want to call the show on
any topic, you can also do talkbacks as he just
did there. I just think it's emblematic of a fear
of actually examining the totality of stories in the midst
of the BLM era. Because this remember this raid happened,
if I remember correctly, March thirteenth, twenty twenty, and by
(20:14):
the time it went public, it was immediately connected to
everything that happened with George Floyd, and.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So Breonna Taylor became one of the chanted names, one
of the supposed martyrs of police racist violence.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
That was the story, that was the narrative, and that
is not true yet.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Look, Sergeant Maddingly says, they knocked on the door for
a full minute. They identified themselves as members of the
Louisville Police. The guy almost died, got shot as soon
as he went in, and then his partner is returning fire.
The guy dives out of the way after he fired
the shot. She's still standing there. She takes the bullet,
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but she's up with him and she gets hit. And
then a guy, the third guy fires in because he
thinks that his buddies are still under fire. And he's
supposed to.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Go to Hanks hankas three years Hankerson, he's the guy
who just got yeah, thirty three months. He should at
least well, I'll be honest, I mean, the only reason
I think not to do a full on pardon. Be
if you're worried about riots in Louisville as a result
of this and the way this plays with the media,
I don't see that this guy was convicted of deprivation
of civil rights, which makes that's this is what I
(21:27):
meant before. This is why I'm thinking about this because
Democrats will do this. They will just find some charge
that really some statute that has nothing to do with
the conduct, but they'll create some BS rationale, and all
of a sudden you're facing you know, you're facing all
this time in prison. I mean, it's what is what
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is the right that you're deprived of when there's a
gunfight in your house because your boyfriend shot at somebody
and someone shoots through the what's the right you're deprived of?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's a civil right? I don't understand. I don't understand
it at all. I mean I think it's an example of.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I mean, if somebody walks up to me and punches
me in my face, have they deprived me of a
civil right? I mean, the civil right to not be
punched in the face. Well, then you can say that
about anything.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, I think it's these broad categories. I mean, we
certainly saw it in the wake of jan six where
you can basically charge people with anything. I mean, what
do they that was the construction of an official proceeding, which,
as I explained, the reason they made that stat that
statue was supposed to be about essentially destroying all the
evidence during a federal trial, for example. And you know
that they make those penalties very severe with good reason
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because it's a premeditated thing.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It goes right to the heart of the justice system.
People walked into a building.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You walked into a building, and even but we can
see the video. They always show you the videos. The
guys were, you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Know, are punching and pushing at comps. There are a
lot of other people just walked around, like, hey, look
at this. This is kind of crazy. They walked out, Clay.
Their lives were ruined until Trump came along and pardoned them.
Their lives are ruined.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I just I don't even know. I mean, here's an
an interesting and I think good question. How many people
have gotten prosecuted for firing a weapon when a police
officer got shot? Has that?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I mean, well, he's understanding that was that was quite
a thing to point out that no one has ever
been charged. No police officer has ever been charged in
a situation where they fired their gun and nobody was.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hit, well not only anybody, but yes, correct, he didn't anybody,
but the guy got madically got shot. My question would be,
how many times are police officers getting charged with crimes
when their partner gets shot? And what did he say
was twelve seconds? Twelve seconds is the amount of time
(23:38):
that this entire process played itself out. I mean again,
I think that very very few people know the facts
of the Breonna Taylor case. You brought this up in
the first hour because the sentencing has just occurred, and
the Trump administration DOJ had suggested one day as punishment. Basically,
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this guy didn't do anything, will give him a slap
on the wrist. They already fired him. And I think
you're right. I mean, I think the difference is should
you commute the sentence or should you pardon? And I
think for a lot of people that's a distinction without
a difference, uh the pardon obviously in this context, I
think I look either a pardon or a commutation I
(24:23):
think would be appropriate. I don't think this guy committed
a crime. I think on appeal, this is going to
get thrown out because I just don't I don't. I
don't understand how you can justify it.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And also it's one thing, you know, the facts that
were laid out there. I've been on this case and
reading it, this case for a long time cause I
I what attracted me to this case as a as
a national news story other than the Breonna Taylor as
one of the BLM martyr's chant that's out there is
I kept finding out things that we're not in the
official narrative. I kept I kept reading things, well that's
(24:53):
not you know, that's that's that's not true. I mean
stuff for example, about her her address being used for
this this guy who was a very wonted criminal with
multiple you know, criminal cases ongoing at the time.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That's relevant.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, they didn't just break into somebody's house, the Compson
just kicking the door for no reason. Uh, But the
media was all everyone was terrified about stepping out of
line on this at the time, even some Republicans by
the way, And it was just a moment of like
psychological frenzy and breakdown, and nobody was able to fight
for for the truth at that time. And you know,
(25:27):
you still have. I mean people have been out there.
Tucker's been saying it for a while that George Floyd
had a lethal dose of fentanel in a system when
he died, for example. But we're still to believe that
then he was shaken to the neck. Was that that
that he was that he was murdered? I mean, that's
the there's somebody serving a very long prison sentence for
his murder. But you'll notice that this is what democrats do.
(25:49):
They they do vague federal charges if they can't get
clear state charges, you know, murder, you know, excessive use
of force. If that doesn't then they go to the
federal playbook, assuming that they've got a Democrat running the
DJ and they try to bring some some nonsense like
like what they've brought here. I would just say, you
(26:11):
know what, what are the officers supposed to do differently
under this situation? I don't is someone gonna look them
in the eyes and say, you know what, when when
you when you go in on this raid, they had a.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Warrant for it.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
You go in, someone shoots at you. You need to
just take a.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Moment, You need to say, hold on a second, guys,
it's time for some violence de escalation.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Here.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I'm bleeding, but I want to take a I mean,
it's insane what they asked for. And as I've brought
up about the body camera thing too, what I see
a lot of the time, and again I study use
of force. I spend a fair amount of time, you know,
with pistols. I'm pretty handy with a pistol. Especially these days.
I see cops where I'm like, I would have drawn
(26:51):
down and fired a lot faster than they did, over
and over again.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
That's what I see.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I see, you know, someone's running at them with a
knife and they'll stop, stop, stop, stopping ten times.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I'm like I would yell at twice and then that's
gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So yeah, I think the reality is a lot of
these police officers, and I'm sure some of you out
there that are listening that are police officers expect or
have seen this happen. Police are becoming victims of violent
criminals because they're afraid of being accused of being too
aggressive to stop a violent criminal. And that's exactly what
(27:24):
you're talking about. It doesn't take very much time for
somebody to cover the distance coming towards you, but in
the back of your mind, if you're thinking, oh, my goodness,
I don't want to be a household name.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I don't want to shoot anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Right, Most cops do not get in the car every
morning saying I hope I get to kill somebody today. Right,
Most people are thinking, I hope I do not have
to pull the trigger on my gun because they don't
want to go through this.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Look, they don't talk about this that often, but it's
true most cops after it depends on the departmental policy.
But if you're involved, even in the most straightforward lawful
discharge of your service weapon, you know, defending yourself against
a maniac running at you with a hatchet or something, right,
which that stuff does happen to cops a lot of times, there's, uh,
you know, there's mandatory psychological counseling because you know, killing
(28:13):
someone is a big deal, even when you're fully justified
in doing it. I bring it up just because to
your point, yeah, you don't have cops showing up like
you know, what would be a really great day for
me if I had to be involved in a lethal
use of force incident that could uh seeing me possibly
thrown in prison depending on how the facts go. If
somehow I get you know, fed to the fed to
(28:35):
the wolves on this one, even if I am defending myself,
that could get me fired for my job. Even if
I don't get criminally prosecuted, it could get me sued.
And you know it's just you go down this whole list.
They don't actually want that. But when you know cops,
I mean, my uncle was career LAPD. So you know,
when you when you spend time around law enforcement, you
just see them as people doing a job with wives
(28:55):
or husbands at home and kids that they're trying to
take care of and provide for. It's a lot hard
or to just go, yeah, throw all those racist cops
in prison. And when you spend time in some scary
neighborhoods of some major cities Clay and you see what
the really bad people will do sometimes to the other
people in their communities, you really have a new appreciation
(29:15):
for cops.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well. And that's the ultimate unfortunate legacy of BLM, which
to a large extent has been overturned. Is I think thousands,
maybe even tens of thousands of people are dead that
would have otherwise been alive. If people had been able
to be protected by police. We turned the actual good
(29:37):
guys that are saving lives into the bad guys. And
it goes back to what we talked about yesterday. Right now,
what we're in the process of doing is erasing the
awful decisions that I would say came out of the
woke universe over basically the last eight years. I really
appreciate this about twenty four. I appreciate this about Trump
(29:58):
and about MAGA as well, and everybody should should have
a I believe a level of appreciation for the fact
that Trump doesn't come into office and say, all right,
well we took L's you know, we got losses on
all that and UH and they they gained ground there,
but that's territory that can't be won back. That's why
even something that seems maybe to some people as peripheral
as the uh name change of the teams and Trump
(30:20):
weighing on that, no, no, we're we're If you're gonna
have a counter revolution against the Democrat maoists, you need
to have a counter revolution everything all the above. Schools
can't you know, colleges and universities can engage in race
preferences anymore. In hiring or in admissions rather, and if
they do, they're gonna get sued. You can't pretend guys
(30:40):
or girls for the purposes of sports. You know, we're
gonna push back on the name changes a military basis.
We're gonna the old Republican way was okay, well that
was a rough four years, but like, maybe we can
get some tax cuts going. Guys, No, we'ren't a different
era now, and and we should be thankful for that,
because fighting on this ground is what's going to be
able to say of the country over the long run.
(31:01):
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Speaker 3 (31:44):
Well I'm glad Chef Laura gets credit, but I'm just saying,
Chef Buck over here, thank you.
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Thanks.
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Speaker 1 (34:13):
Jim, a former cop, says, look, I'm a retired lieutenant
colonel in the US Marine Corps and a retired law
enforcement officer you're both absolutely on target with championing the
law enforcement side on shootings. And my twenty and a
half years as a cop, I never knew a fellow
cop woke up in the morning wanted to hurt someone.
Bravo Zulo zulu Jim.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
A lot of people, you know, we never get you
never hear anyone who's in the in the blm Anti
cops side point this out when a cop. We said
this yesterday, when a cop to something bad. I mean,
there was that case. I think, well, there's the there's
the case with Daniel Shaver in Arizona. He was a
white guy though, who got shot, so no one really
(34:57):
paid attention to it. But that was a horrible case
on video. And then there's a there was a case
where the guy was running away I forget his name,
but he was running away from the officer shot and
there was just universal revulsion and condemnation at what the
cops did.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
It's not there.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
It's not like the people who stand up for cops
stand up for cops when they do bad things. We
just stand up for cops as a general premise because
ninety nine percent of the time they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's right, And I also though at Sergeant Mattingly and
again it's going to be up on the YouTube channel.
You can go listen to it on the podcast top
of the last hour. This is also really important. These
guys are very often not allowed to tell their side
of the story. The other side of the story gets
told widely, and it is taken without a grain of salt,
(35:45):
very often by the media that propagates all of that
side of the story. The other side, for instance, Louisville
police side, they say, hey, there's an ongoing investigation. You
aren't allowed to say anything. Stay quiet, allow this process
to play it out. Meanwhile, the other side is completely
telling their story to anyone that will print it. And
(36:07):
by the time the swing back comes and you find
out a fuller picture of what actually happened on that day,
a lot of people have already made up their minds.
And I think it's a sign that frankly, police departments
need to do a better job of protecting their officers
in a culture and a world where most people are
guilty before they're presumed innocent instead of vice versa. Mornette
Okay, welcome back in clay Travis buck Sexton show. You
never know what you may get on the program. From
minutes to minute, we were just talking about the decision
made to give one of the police officers in Louisville, Kentucky,
a thirty three month prison sentence, despite the fact that
the Trump Department of Justice had suggested just one day,
(00:21):
and we were walking through the Breonna Taylor information and
giving people more about that because it's been several years
and some of you may well have forgotten about what
took place there. Well, listening in Louisville, Kentucky was one
of the officers involved in that raid. His name is
(00:42):
John Mattingly and he is with us now and so
I want to bring him in and I'll just say,
first of all, thanks for listening and broadly, just tell
us what happened on that day and what you think
about the thirty three month sentence that you're her former
police officer colleague got in that case. And obviously thanks
(01:04):
for listening. What can you tell us about that day?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, Clayon Travis, I appreciate you guys having me on
and being willing to get it from you know, first hand.
Source somebody who's kind of been through the fire and
all this thing. First off, let me start with the decision.
I think the judge when it was the Biden DOJ,
did everything they asked for in the case. In the trial,
there were so many things that were unprofessional by that DOJ.
(01:31):
I've never set on a side and felt like it
was a defense attorney over there with underhand tactics, lying.
She did not allow cell phones to get entered into
evidence or the ones that were in evidence. She refused
to let him at trial at the end, when the
jurors kept coming back going, man, we got a hung jury.
We got a hung jury. And then they asked the
question should we assume Rihanna is dead or alive? She said,
(01:55):
assumed she was dead or alive, which totally negates the
legal process and the judge's influence on the jury, because
in order for a statute such as the civil rights violation,
the person has to be alive. And there were just
so many things, man, And I think the appeal is
so strong and going to go very quickly once the
process starts, if this DOJ even allows it. Because I
(02:18):
was sitting in the courtroom and I saw two faces
to the DOJ, the one under Biden and the one
under Trump, and the one under Trump was so rational
and logical, like any human being would look at a
process and go, this is the way it should be.
This makes sense when you look at the facts of
the case, and anything outside of this scope is unreasonable.
(02:39):
And so I'm so happy that Trump's back in. I
think if once this word gets out on how this
DJ is actually treating police officers now, not as some
kind of wicked racist, you know, hateful people, as opposed
to people who are risking their lives simply trying to
get central off the street, trying to get murderers off
the street, because every time an action is taken. I've
(03:01):
talked to thousands of cops across the country. When I
speak and over and over, the sentiment I get from
them is simply, we're scared to do our job. Anything
we do. You know, you've got to worry about the
bad guy in front of you shooting you're hurting you.
But more importantly, you got to worry about the government
behind your stabbing you in the back.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So you you, sir, you were inkos, You you were
at that raid, you were shot in the leg, correct.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes, it ripped through my primeral artery. Thank god for
a tournique, or I wouldn't even be talking to you.
So I had a five and a half hour surgery
replaced four inches of the artery with the vein. And yeah,
and that's the part that gets missed over. You know,
you talk about the active aggressor in this case was
Kenneth Walker her boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Right, Well, see hit.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
The storyline, the storyline.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Take us through that day. Yes, uh, just tell us
what happened through.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
The raid, What happened at the raid.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
A lot of people don't know that story, so just
take us there, tell us.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. Yeah, let me tell about a couple of the
falsehoods that the ben Crumps of the world put out,
and that was simply him and Kamala Harris and Lebron
James and all these fools in Hollywood and the sports
world were like, he said we had the wrong house,
which is a lie. He said she was asleep in bed,
which is a lie. They said it was a no
knock warrant, which was a lie, and that the boyfriend
(04:19):
that we were quote looking for had been in custody
for ten hours, which was a lie. So when we
get up to the door. Our first knock, a normal knock.
Nobody came to the door. So we started banging, I
mean the loud everybody knows the police knock, especially in
that world. Banging, banging, banging, screaming, police search, warrant, plice search, warring.
And this went on for a minute, which when you're
(04:39):
at a door, that feels like an eternity. I mean,
we're just banging. A neighbor came out. We got into
an interaction with them. They went back inside, and after
a minute of them not coming to the door and
us knocking and announcing, we breached the door. And as
soon as that door was breached and I stepped into
the doorframe, I was met with a shot from Kenneth
Walker that ripped through my leg. I was able to
(05:01):
return a few shots before I got out of the
line of fire, and that's when the guy behind me
stepped up and began shooting as I went out. Well,
Brett was the third one in the stack. And this
is the whole premise of this case. They get Smiths understood.
And I had questions at first too, because we're not
trained to shoot through windows. That's not how we're trained. However,
there's always exigent circumstances to things, and when Brett was
(05:25):
at the door with me, he was the third one
in the stack. He saw the shot, heard it, saw
me go down, and say I was shot. He circled
around the front of the building as these shots were
ringing out repeatedly by the other officer at the door.
He could see the flashes through the window, and in
his mind he thought we were still getting fired upon
by the individual inside. We were told when we went
(05:47):
to this warrant, by the brief of the investigators that
did the case, that it was just going to be
Bona at home. She's alone, no dogs, no kids, no boyfriends,
no weapons. So in our mind, that's what we expecting
because we thought they did a thorough investigation, which comes
to find out they didn't. So once we're met with
fire and all this gunfire is getting exchanged, Brett circles
(06:09):
around to the front and sees that these flashes of
the flame in the dark of the night in this house,
and he's like, man, my guys are getting executed at
the doorway because he knew I'd already been shot, was down,
so he started firing through the windows in an attempt
only to stop the threat, only to get that guy
to quit shooting, because in his mind what he perceived
in that moment, in those few seconds, and this thing
(06:31):
was quick. I mean it was starting over within twelve seconds.
It was completely silent after twelve seconds. And so that's
the premise the case. That's where how they know.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, this is this is important. I'm glad you shared
all that with us, because I think a lot of
people out there listening right now are probably reacting as
many other jurors have, which is, you got shot by
someone inside of this apartment. How in the world is
a police officer returning fire at what he thinks is
someone trying to kill his fellow officers guilty of a
(07:04):
crime that would necessitate him being in prison for three years.
That seems crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And deprivation of civil rights specifically, which try to square
that circle.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, it doesn't even meet the standards of that number one.
But secondly, Brett is the only officer ever charged for
returning fire after being fired upon that hit no one.
He's the only officer in American history has been charged
with that and not.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, look, I mean, I think the good news is that, Uh, well,
we can share our opinions here freely. We don't have
to pretend to be sitting on the fence on these
kinds of things. I think President Trump should commuter part
in this. You know, Brett Hankinson immediately. And I know
that there are people who listen to this show who
are close to the President, who are right now in
the White House. So I think President Trump, and I'll
(07:52):
share this publicly, should at least step in with a
commutation of this clay. I mean I would, I would
say an outright pardon the notion that this officer might
serve or could even theoretically sir before appeal almost three
years in prison for shooting a gun when someone's been
shooting at officers and he didn't even hit anybody. It's just,
it's just it's it's a case that is, but it's
so instructive about how vile the Biden administration was when
(08:16):
it came to throwing law enforcement under the bus.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me ask you this, sergeant Maddingly, who hit I
don't even remember who hit Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
One of my bullets hit I believe her left leg.
Because as soon as Kenneth's shot, he dove into a
bedroom because he was right on a wall and she
was she was on the outside of me. Number one,
Why do you bring your girlfriend out in the hall
if you really think you're getting broken into to staying
with you. So as soon as he shot, he dove
out of the way like a coward. She attempted to following.
One of my bullets struck her armor leg I can't
(08:46):
remember which one. And then the other officer who was
firing over top of me once I went down, actually
struck her and and and tragically, you know, nobody wanted
her to die, but tragically, one of the bullets struck
her a order, and the medical examiner said, had she
been shot at the door of the emergency room, she
would not have lived. She died that quickly because it
(09:08):
ripped through her air order and she bled out. So
the premise that that we did not render aid, which
is what the judge said, blew my mind. And I'm
like number one. Kennis Walker didn't even call nine one
one for six and a half minutes after this incident happened.
He refused to come out into almost seventeen minutes after
this incident happened, he had no blood on him, and
when he came out, he actually told the police unseen
(09:31):
on bodycam, that Brianna is the one that shot because
she was scared.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
So this dude's I forget.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Did he have a criminal lied? He lied about who
fired the shot on body camera?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yes, yes, I've got that video.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, well, but did he have a previous criminal record.
I'm trying to remember all the facts of the case.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He had been arrested one time with a gun in marijuana,
and originally he lost his rights to a weapon. They
amended it down to a misdemeanor, like all these courts
do for the for the thugs, and then he got
his rights back for the gun. However, in his text
threat on the phone they did download from him, He's
on there dealing drugs to people. He's talked about home invasions.
(10:12):
So this guy was not this saint that they put out.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
How many people do you think No, I appreciate you
calling in. I mean, obviously we didn't schedule this. You
heard us talking about it. You're on I'm assuming in
Louisville listening to us there. We have a big audience.
How many people do you think know the full story here?
Because I think Buck's right, President Trump should commute your
fellow officer. This thirty three month sentence is crazy for
(10:36):
what he was charged with. The initial by the way,
warrant For people out there who don't know, you were
told that she was there by herself. Well, what was
the intent of the warrant? What were you going to
try to do?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well? This was going to be a Rico case on
this JaMarcus Clover, who had just been a menace. He
had six or seven pending selony cases in circuit court
for guns and drugs, fentanyl, all this stuff she was
This is what tied him to her apartment that everybody
asked about. His ID had her address, his vehicles were
(11:09):
registered to her address, his phone came back to her address,
his bank account had her address. In January, two months
prior to this incident, he was arrested on a warrant
for drugs and guns on a search warrant where they
got seven guns and a bunch of dope. And she's
the one that bailed him out. And when she was
there to bail him out, she gave her addresses his
and gave her phone number as his, so everything tied
(11:30):
back to her. On jail, records her talking. It's got
him talking about Brionna held all of our money because
his baby mama was ticked off that fourteen thousand his
was at her house and he said, well, maybe she
holds all of our money. And so she was tied
into this. And in twenty seventeen, she rented a car
that a person was murdered in and they found a
(11:51):
vehicle with this dude shot in the head, and when
they asked her about it, she was like, I don't
know what happened to the car, give it to JaMarcus
Glover and nothing was ever done with that. She was
not an EMT. And I'm not bashing her, but all
the media lot about all this stuff. She was not
an EMT. She got fired in twenty seventeen after only
five months of being on the job, wasn't even off probation,
and the city did a no rehire clause, which is
(12:14):
rare in most instances. So there was some pretty serious
stuff tied to that. And so this whole case of
y'all shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well,
she was part of this organization. She may not have
been the one physically slinging the drugs but she was
out there, she was deeply involved.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
This, Suspan. So we appreciate you calling us and filling
in our audience because this is great and.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You're doing a service by telling the people the truth
about this. And also, like I said, we've got senators,
we've got people in and around Trump at the White
House who are.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Going to be hearing this.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And there's absolutely no way that that officer should be
serving a day in prison for this.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's a total outrage of the justice system.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, one of the travesties in this case, guys, is
that from the beginning, our department refused to combat any
of the lies. They've never told the truth about it.
Our mayor at the time, super little did they no,
they couldn't violating law or violating a pologies I wanted to.
They demoted me down into the property room from my
(13:15):
narcotics post. And when that happened, and the only reason
they did is because I wrote a book and started
talking about it is to tell the truth, and they
were trying to do anything they could to fire me.
And I saw the writing on the wall, and I
wanted my pension because that was the only way I
was going to be able to feed my family. So
I retired on on accord because they were trying to
push me out. And I wrote a book, twelve Seconds
(13:36):
in the Dark, and you get it on my website.
And the only reason I wrote that wasn't for fame
or notoriety, but because no one was telling the truth.
Everybody had all these misconceptions of the case, and I
was frustrated, and so we put that out there and
word has spread some. But when you're let's just face it,
I'm a nobody. You guys didn't know who I was
(13:56):
except for what you saw on the media, So nobody
like me. It's hard to get the it's hard to
push this agenda when all the factors are against you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
John Mattingly dot com is his site officer. Mattingly, thank
you so much for shedding some very important light on
this case. And we're going to stay on it and
a lot more people know about it now than did
just a couple hours ago, So thank you well.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I appreciate it. Thank you guys for being the arbiter
of truth.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I mean,
that was I think an unexpected but incredibly compelling story
that I think a lot of you probably have not
heard because you may see the headlines, but I don't
think you've heard from certainly the officer who got shot
going in on the Breonna Taylor raid Or knew that
(15:27):
a guy got nearly three years in prison for firing
and not hitting anyone after he was the third guy
going in when his buddy got shot.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The judge just happened. This just happened today, Clay. Just
to be clear, I mean, this was breaking news that's
not getting a lot of coverage. I'm hoping it gets
more coverage now. Everybody, you know, you tell your evening
TV show host or whatever to put this on because.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
People should know about this.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Completely just throwing the cops under the bus here because
of the the you know, post George Floyd rage mob
on the street, and the Biden administration was.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Just this is what you heard it from from the
office himself.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Toty railroaded these guys completely. And I think the fact
that this is not getting very much attention. They paid,
by the way, twelve million dollars to Breonna Taylor her
state twelve million dollars. I think a lot of you
out there saying, wait a minute. They were rating a
(16:30):
drug dealer's girlfriend who had been providing all sorts of
according to that call, and based on some of the
evidence out there, clearly illegal conspiracy help to the drug
dealing boyfriend and her family. I think an executed person
in the trunk of a car you rented is a
pretty big red flag. I'm going to say that somebody
(16:51):
executed with a headshot in the car, in the trunk
of the car, you might want to find different people
to hang out with at that point. Also, I don't know,
I get calls when I have a d in the
car if I turn it back. I think a dead
body in the trunk of the car that you read
it would raise a few red flags. I don't know
anything about that, asked the guy I was letting drive
around the car anyway? Really compelling? I thought conversation there
(17:15):
and I think Buck made the case and I think
it's a very strong one that there should be one
percent should be I believe a commutation coming from the
president over this case. And again his Department of Justice suggested,
why not a pardon? In your mind, that's an important
on you. You don't think pardon, I think pardon. I think
I think it's just that think punishments too harsh. I
(17:36):
think the whole charges. I think a pardon is certainly
in order. The fact that you would allow this guy
to go to jail for three years, I think is
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Welcome back in, Clay. Travis buck Sexton show lots of
(18:40):
reaction pouring in to Sergent Mattingley calling in from Louisville.
If you only caught a part of that discussion, then
the podcast version of the full interview will be going
up and you'll be able to hear all of all
the details associated with fat Kevin in South Florida. CC
(19:05):
has a talkback relating to the conversation we just had
again at the top of this hour with Sargent Maddingley
who called in from Louisville. Kevin, what you got for
us here.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Clay Brook, Just great show, but just listening to this
whole thing on Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, this is completely different.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Than I thought this story. When I thought there was
a no knock, they busted in.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
They had the wrong house.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
She was a MP person for years on the job,
as what the media was saying, had no idea she
was a fired employee, didn't make it past probation. This
is just unbelievable. This is how bad our government has gotten. Well,
I mean, thanks for the talkback. And by the way,
anybody can react to a two to two eight a
two eight hundred and two, a two to two eight
(19:50):
a two if you want to call the show on
any topic, you can also do talkbacks as he just
did there. I just think it's emblematic of a fear
of actually examining the totality of stories in the midst
of the BLM era. Because this remember this raid happened,
if I remember correctly, March thirteenth, twenty twenty, and by
(20:14):
the time it went public, it was immediately connected to
everything that happened with George Floyd, and.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So Breonna Taylor became one of the chanted names, one
of the supposed martyrs of police racist violence.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
That was the story, that was the narrative, and that
is not true yet.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Look, Sergeant Maddingly says, they knocked on the door for
a full minute. They identified themselves as members of the
Louisville Police. The guy almost died, got shot as soon
as he went in, and then his partner is returning fire.
The guy dives out of the way after he fired
the shot. She's still standing there. She takes the bullet,
(20:54):
but she's up with him and she gets hit. And
then a guy, the third guy fires in because he
thinks that his buddies are still under fire. And he's
supposed to.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Go to Hanks hankas three years Hankerson, he's the guy
who just got yeah, thirty three months. He should at
least well, I'll be honest, I mean, the only reason
I think not to do a full on pardon. Be
if you're worried about riots in Louisville as a result
of this and the way this plays with the media,
I don't see that this guy was convicted of deprivation
of civil rights, which makes that's this is what I
(21:27):
meant before. This is why I'm thinking about this because
Democrats will do this. They will just find some charge
that really some statute that has nothing to do with
the conduct, but they'll create some BS rationale, and all
of a sudden you're facing you know, you're facing all
this time in prison. I mean, it's what is what
(21:47):
is the right that you're deprived of when there's a
gunfight in your house because your boyfriend shot at somebody
and someone shoots through the what's the right you're deprived of?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's a civil right? I don't understand. I don't understand
it at all. I mean I think it's an example of.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I mean, if somebody walks up to me and punches
me in my face, have they deprived me of a
civil right? I mean, the civil right to not be
punched in the face. Well, then you can say that
about anything.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, I think it's these broad categories. I mean, we
certainly saw it in the wake of jan six where
you can basically charge people with anything. I mean, what
do they that was the construction of an official proceeding, which,
as I explained, the reason they made that stat that
statue was supposed to be about essentially destroying all the
evidence during a federal trial, for example. And you know
that they make those penalties very severe with good reason
(22:29):
because it's a premeditated thing.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It goes right to the heart of the justice system.
People walked into a building.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You walked into a building, and even but we can
see the video. They always show you the videos. The
guys were, you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Know, are punching and pushing at comps. There are a
lot of other people just walked around, like, hey, look
at this. This is kind of crazy. They walked out, Clay.
Their lives were ruined until Trump came along and pardoned them.
Their lives are ruined.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I just I don't even know. I mean, here's an
an interesting and I think good question. How many people
have gotten prosecuted for firing a weapon when a police
officer got shot? Has that?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I mean, well, he's understanding that was that was quite
a thing to point out that no one has ever
been charged. No police officer has ever been charged in
a situation where they fired their gun and nobody was.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hit, well not only anybody, but yes, correct, he didn't anybody,
but the guy got madically got shot. My question would be,
how many times are police officers getting charged with crimes
when their partner gets shot? And what did he say
was twelve seconds? Twelve seconds is the amount of time
(23:38):
that this entire process played itself out. I mean again,
I think that very very few people know the facts
of the Breonna Taylor case. You brought this up in
the first hour because the sentencing has just occurred, and
the Trump administration DOJ had suggested one day as punishment. Basically,
(24:00):
this guy didn't do anything, will give him a slap
on the wrist. They already fired him. And I think
you're right. I mean, I think the difference is should
you commute the sentence or should you pardon? And I
think for a lot of people that's a distinction without
a difference, uh the pardon obviously in this context, I
think I look either a pardon or a commutation I
(24:23):
think would be appropriate. I don't think this guy committed
a crime. I think on appeal, this is going to
get thrown out because I just don't I don't. I
don't understand how you can justify it.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And also it's one thing, you know, the facts that
were laid out there. I've been on this case and
reading it, this case for a long time cause I
I what attracted me to this case as a as
a national news story other than the Breonna Taylor as
one of the BLM martyr's chant that's out there is
I kept finding out things that we're not in the
official narrative. I kept I kept reading things, well that's
(24:53):
not you know, that's that's that's not true. I mean
stuff for example, about her her address being used for
this this guy who was a very wonted criminal with
multiple you know, criminal cases ongoing at the time.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That's relevant.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, they didn't just break into somebody's house, the Compson
just kicking the door for no reason. Uh, But the
media was all everyone was terrified about stepping out of
line on this at the time, even some Republicans by
the way, And it was just a moment of like
psychological frenzy and breakdown, and nobody was able to fight
for for the truth at that time. And you know,
(25:27):
you still have. I mean people have been out there.
Tucker's been saying it for a while that George Floyd
had a lethal dose of fentanel in a system when
he died, for example. But we're still to believe that
then he was shaken to the neck. Was that that
that he was that he was murdered? I mean, that's
the there's somebody serving a very long prison sentence for
his murder. But you'll notice that this is what democrats do.
(25:49):
They they do vague federal charges if they can't get
clear state charges, you know, murder, you know, excessive use
of force. If that doesn't then they go to the
federal playbook, assuming that they've got a Democrat running the
DJ and they try to bring some some nonsense like
like what they've brought here. I would just say, you
(26:11):
know what, what are the officers supposed to do differently
under this situation? I don't is someone gonna look them
in the eyes and say, you know what, when when
you when you go in on this raid, they had a.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Warrant for it.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
You go in, someone shoots at you. You need to
just take a.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Moment, You need to say, hold on a second, guys,
it's time for some violence de escalation.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Here.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I'm bleeding, but I want to take a I mean,
it's insane what they asked for. And as I've brought
up about the body camera thing too, what I see
a lot of the time, and again I study use
of force. I spend a fair amount of time, you know,
with pistols. I'm pretty handy with a pistol. Especially these days.
I see cops where I'm like, I would have drawn
(26:51):
down and fired a lot faster than they did, over
and over again.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
That's what I see.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I see, you know, someone's running at them with a
knife and they'll stop, stop, stop, stopping ten times.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I'm like I would yell at twice and then that's
gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So yeah, I think the reality is a lot of
these police officers, and I'm sure some of you out
there that are listening that are police officers expect or
have seen this happen. Police are becoming victims of violent
criminals because they're afraid of being accused of being too
aggressive to stop a violent criminal. And that's exactly what
(27:24):
you're talking about. It doesn't take very much time for
somebody to cover the distance coming towards you, but in
the back of your mind, if you're thinking, oh, my goodness,
I don't want to be a household name.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I don't want to shoot anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Right, Most cops do not get in the car every
morning saying I hope I get to kill somebody today. Right,
Most people are thinking, I hope I do not have
to pull the trigger on my gun because they don't
want to go through this.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Look, they don't talk about this that often, but it's
true most cops after it depends on the departmental policy.
But if you're involved, even in the most straightforward lawful
discharge of your service weapon, you know, defending yourself against
a maniac running at you with a hatchet or something, right,
which that stuff does happen to cops a lot of times, there's, uh,
you know, there's mandatory psychological counseling because you know, killing
(28:13):
someone is a big deal, even when you're fully justified
in doing it. I bring it up just because to
your point, yeah, you don't have cops showing up like
you know, what would be a really great day for
me if I had to be involved in a lethal
use of force incident that could uh seeing me possibly
thrown in prison depending on how the facts go. If
somehow I get you know, fed to the fed to
(28:35):
the wolves on this one, even if I am defending myself,
that could get me fired for my job. Even if
I don't get criminally prosecuted, it could get me sued.
And you know it's just you go down this whole list.
They don't actually want that. But when you know cops,
I mean, my uncle was career LAPD. So you know,
when you when you spend time around law enforcement, you
just see them as people doing a job with wives
(28:55):
or husbands at home and kids that they're trying to
take care of and provide for. It's a lot hard
or to just go, yeah, throw all those racist cops
in prison. And when you spend time in some scary
neighborhoods of some major cities Clay and you see what
the really bad people will do sometimes to the other
people in their communities, you really have a new appreciation
(29:15):
for cops.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well. And that's the ultimate unfortunate legacy of BLM, which
to a large extent has been overturned. Is I think thousands,
maybe even tens of thousands of people are dead that
would have otherwise been alive. If people had been able
to be protected by police. We turned the actual good
(29:37):
guys that are saving lives into the bad guys. And
it goes back to what we talked about yesterday. Right now,
what we're in the process of doing is erasing the
awful decisions that I would say came out of the
woke universe over basically the last eight years. I really
appreciate this about twenty four. I appreciate this about Trump
(29:58):
and about MAGA as well, and everybody should should have
a I believe a level of appreciation for the fact
that Trump doesn't come into office and say, all right,
well we took L's you know, we got losses on
all that and UH and they they gained ground there,
but that's territory that can't be won back. That's why
even something that seems maybe to some people as peripheral
as the uh name change of the teams and Trump
(30:20):
weighing on that, no, no, we're we're If you're gonna
have a counter revolution against the Democrat maoists, you need
to have a counter revolution everything all the above. Schools
can't you know, colleges and universities can engage in race
preferences anymore. In hiring or in admissions rather, and if
they do, they're gonna get sued. You can't pretend guys
(30:40):
or girls for the purposes of sports. You know, we're
gonna push back on the name changes a military basis.
We're gonna the old Republican way was okay, well that
was a rough four years, but like, maybe we can
get some tax cuts going. Guys, No, we'ren't a different
era now, and and we should be thankful for that,
because fighting on this ground is what's going to be
able to say of the country over the long run.
(31:01):
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Well I'm glad Chef Laura gets credit, but I'm just saying,
Chef Buck over here, thank you.
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Thanks.
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Speaker 1 (34:13):
Jim, a former cop, says, look, I'm a retired lieutenant
colonel in the US Marine Corps and a retired law
enforcement officer you're both absolutely on target with championing the
law enforcement side on shootings. And my twenty and a
half years as a cop, I never knew a fellow
cop woke up in the morning wanted to hurt someone.
Bravo Zulo zulu Jim.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
A lot of people, you know, we never get you
never hear anyone who's in the in the blm Anti
cops side point this out when a cop. We said
this yesterday, when a cop to something bad. I mean,
there was that case. I think, well, there's the there's
the case with Daniel Shaver in Arizona. He was a
white guy though, who got shot, so no one really
(34:57):
paid attention to it. But that was a horrible case
on video. And then there's a there was a case
where the guy was running away I forget his name,
but he was running away from the officer shot and
there was just universal revulsion and condemnation at what the
cops did.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
It's not there.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
It's not like the people who stand up for cops
stand up for cops when they do bad things. We
just stand up for cops as a general premise because
ninety nine percent of the time they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's right, And I also though at Sergeant Mattingly and
again it's going to be up on the YouTube channel.
You can go listen to it on the podcast top
of the last hour. This is also really important. These
guys are very often not allowed to tell their side
of the story. The other side of the story gets
told widely, and it is taken without a grain of salt,
(35:45):
very often by the media that propagates all of that
side of the story. The other side, for instance, Louisville
police side, they say, hey, there's an ongoing investigation. You
aren't allowed to say anything. Stay quiet, allow this process
to play it out. Meanwhile, the other side is completely
telling their story to anyone that will print it. And
(36:07):
by the time the swing back comes and you find
out a fuller picture of what actually happened on that day,
a lot of people have already made up their minds.
And I think it's a sign that frankly, police departments
need to do a better job of protecting their officers
in a culture and a world where most people are
guilty before they're presumed innocent instead of vice versa. Mornette
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