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October 14, 2025 36 mins

Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into a mix of breaking political analysis, cultural commentary, and legal drama. The hosts begin by continuing coverage of President Donald Trump’s historic Middle East peace deal and the release of Israeli hostages, framing it as the biggest story of the week and teasing Eric Trump’s upcoming appearance to discuss his father’s diplomatic triumph and bestselling book.

The conversation then shifts to 2028 election speculation, spotlighting a heated debate from the Pivot podcast featuring Kara Swisher and NYU professor Scott Galloway. Clay and Buck analyze whether Kamala Harris will run again, predicting that Democratic power brokers may sideline her in favor of a Gavin Newsom–AOC ticket. They explore Harris’s political future, her name recognition, and the challenges facing female candidates in the Democratic Party.

Next, the hour tackles a fiery exchange on The View between actress Cheryl Hines—wife of RFK Jr.—and co-host Sonny Hostin. The hosts critique Hostin’s credential-based attacks on RFK Jr.’s qualifications as HHS Secretary and discuss broader issues of fairness in media treatment of political spouses. Clay and Buck argue that Cheryl Hines held her own during the confrontation and highlight the hypocrisy compared to how Jill Biden and other Democratic spouses are treated.

The discussion pivots to legal trouble for New York Attorney General Letitia James, who faces allegations of mortgage fraud tied to a Virginia property. Clay and Buck break down the indictment details, including claims that James misrepresented the home as a second residence while allegedly housing family members rent-free—one reportedly a convicted felon. They debate her potential defense strategy, jury dynamics, and whether political bias could influence the outcome, while noting her high-powered legal team and the broader implications for accountability.

Adding a lighter twist, the hosts share personal anecdotes about camping and “glamping,” sparking a humorous debate on outdoor living versus modern comforts. They joke about man-card revocations, recount near-death wilderness experiences, and engage with listener reactions, including a call from Alaska affirming their preference for hot showers over sleeping on dirt.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of play and Buck kicks off. Now we
are still enjoying basking in and celebrating the great accomplishment
of President Trump and getting those hostages back from Hamas
where they were being held and now safely home, twenty
of them safely home with their families. We will continue

(00:24):
to follow that story and also the efforts to get
the remains of hostages who were held and were not
kept alive by Hamas. Hamas has their blood on their hands. Well,
we will continue to follow that story and look at
what the next steps are going to be in the
Middle East for the Trump peace process. But that is

(00:44):
still right now. I think the single biggest story of
the entire week the Trump Mid East piece deal. I
want to just give that as an overview that we're
still on it and will continue to be talking about that.
We can certainly ask Eric Trump about his dad's deal
making coming up in the next hour. In the meantime,

(01:05):
I had teed this up and did want to share
it with all of you so over on the Pivot podcast,
which is a very big podcast for the libs. The
libs really like this Pivot podcast. The NYU professor Scott

(01:25):
Galloway Clay wait in now. I want to be clear,
Karas Swisher had one opinion of Kamala Harris running in
the next election, which, remember is going to be about
a year and a few months away. We're going to
know if this is happening. So it's not far.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
This is important, like people are going to announce so quickly.
The midterms are going to get snowed under by an
open presidency on both sides. But yes, okay, so they
are actively debating and discussing Kamala as we have done
on this show and.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Here, and these are two high profile libs, high profile,
some people saying very high profile and NYU professor Galloway
Karris Wisher. Here's what their takes are, respectively, on Kamala
running and play thirteen. What do you think she's going
to do next? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think she wants to run for president. That's my impression.
She's so young, she's yeah, she is the best known one, right, Like,
no matter how you slice it, she's got the most
name recognition, and a.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Lot of men have failed and tried again, right, George
Bush comes to mind. Lots of people do.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Joe McCain tried a number of times, so there's no
reason she shouldn't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, no, there's no reason other than she'd lose for
a third time and we wouldn't have a female president
for fifty years on the Democratic side.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I just say so in this analogy, Clay, I guess
you're with Kara and I'm with Scott. Just throw it
out there. Not not whatas you think Kamala would get smoked,
but they won't have another female Democrat running for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I think Kamala will not be the nominee actually be
because of what Scott said. I think the grand poobas
of the Democrat Party, who, let's be honest, are much
more likely to rig their primary process than the Republican
side is. I think that they are going to say,
after Hillary and Kamala, we can't have a female nominee.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's too big of a risk.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
And I think that's ultimately going to get Kamala's legs
cut out from underneath her. Did you say this because
we might agree on this?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
You said it.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think I saw it on Social I wasn't. In
my prediction I think is the same as yours. It's
going to be Gavin Newsome with AOC as his VP.
Did you predict that ticket. Yes, I've said that. We
said that before, so we agree on what it's going
to be. That's what it's going to be. But I
think Kamala will run because I don't buy that she's

(03:50):
going to find this.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's going to be. This is going to be a
close but no cigar situation for me, kind of like
Buck Island where for years I said Biden was gonna
was gonna be the nominee, and he was the nominee
and he did run until the eleventh hour and the
fifty ninth minute and then dropped out. I mean that
is it was was so close. It's unfair that he

(04:14):
that that happened. That was an unprecedented situation. If you're
going to be right, Kamala is going to run again,
and she is going to drop out before whatever it is.
Iowa first for them, whatever's first for them. They haven't
even they haven't even decided. It's a bad decided, right
it would be yeah, yeah, so they she's not even
gonna make it deep into the process if she runs again,

(04:34):
and I think she I don't think she's gonna run again,
and when she is provost of it can't be an
elite school in California's system because you know, they have standards.
When she's the provost of you see, I don't want
to name it now because I don't want to offend anybody, but.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
You Santa Barbara. You see Santa Barbara. Way, you see
Santa Barbara. Who great, it's a great school. But I
don't think anybody's like you. You know, really you see
third tier. Just to be fair, okay, you see third
tier whatever that is.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's probably you see Santa Barbara. I'm not trying to
think a shot at Santa Barbara. It's a beautiful listeners
right now, the Santa Barre.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's a lot of really good cal uh Historically, I
know some of them have lost their way, but I
think and I'm gonna lose people here probably I think
you would say for most people in California, you see
LA and cal Berkeley would be considered the two biggest
best uc public state schools, right, and then I think

(05:33):
you would go UCSB right as a public I think
it would be the third on the list. And my
point on that is, you see LA and Berkeley, whatever
you think cal Berkeley, they have faculty, and they have
an impact both nationally and internationally where they make news

(05:54):
for doing things academically. Now something Sometimes it's ridiculous because
it's like, hey, we're shutting down debate at Burke or
at UCLA. We're not going to allow Jewish students to
walk through campus. I'm not saying they always make great news.
When's the last time UCSB made news. I think people
are just super happy to hang out in Santa Barbara
and it's this very chill, good environment. But it's clearly

(06:15):
the third on that list of academic power.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, Kamala is going to be the chancellor there or
whatever that equivalent.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
She's not going to UC Santa Cruz, all right, Like
she's gonna go to somewhere like Santa Barbara. They're not
going to give her Berkeley or UCLA.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I don't think, well, you know, they got to pretend
that they care about academic ability at those places. I
would think at some level, but maybe not here here then,
So that's where we that's where we are thinking about
the Kamala situation. I'm now I'm taking another I'm taking
a hard turn here because I want to know what's
going on with this one. Things got a little bit

(06:50):
heated over at over at the view, things got a
little bit, uh, a little bit testy between Cheryl Hines
and so the Houston about RFK junior stuff. Let's hear
how they had her on. I haven't heard. Yes, Okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Your husband is the least qualified Department of Health and
Human Services head that we've had in history.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think that's a very dangerous, dangerous.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Less qualified than an economist. I feel that he has
been his career studying toxins, studying people's health, fighting for
one guy who was using round up for his job.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
He has also spread a lot of misinformation, a lot
of chaos, a lot of confusion. And I think it's
it's it's just a very dangerous thing. I say it
with the utmost.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Some of it's good and some of it's not. That's it,
is it.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Listen?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
We all have different views.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yes, And when you say you know, misinformation disinformation, we
could go back to COVID when connects with certain decision,
may I finish When people Faucci people were saying, when
you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit COVID. It will
stop COVID and that was disinformation, missing information, is.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Still learning about it.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was a novel virus found right because now the
doctors will acknowledge that.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
They were censoring Bobby because Bobby said, where's the science
to show us this? And there wasn't any.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
She did pretty well in that exchange. I've got to say,
Cheryl Hines, the actress and wife of RFK Junior, a
few things there. First of all, Sunny hostin always going
to the credentials is very interesting. You'll you'll note that
this is something that people who I think always either
did not earn their supposedly impressive or just don't have

(08:48):
impressive professional credentials, care so much about these things, especially
for a job like what RFK Junior is doing for
this administration. And then and then beyond that, though the
were still this is from Melissa Farah, who should be
wearing a maca hat. Clay, we were still learning about
the virus. Is a completely unacceptable, unacceptable talking point that

(09:11):
they cling to now because when we were saying, hey,
you guys don't know, they said, shut up, we'll get
you fired. We know, And that was the sin that
they committed on that issue.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
You're one hundred percent right about that. And I thought
Cheryl David actually did a pretty good Jeff Cheryl David
Cheryl Hines. She played see this is the problem. She
played Cheryl David, Larry's wife on Curb for a bunch
of years. I don't know what you think about this.
First of all, when Sonny Hostin to your point, goes
straight to creninchials and says he's the least qualified ever

(09:45):
h I actually think a great response is I disagree
with you, who is the second least qualified? And my
point on that is, I don't even know that she
could name very many HHS secretary so it's easy to
come with a broad brush attack like she did on

(10:05):
RFK Junior. But instead of defending, I think it's actually
a funny thing to call out her lack of knowledge,
because if Cheryl David said, Okay, we disagree there, I
think my husband's eminently qualified. Who do you think is
the second least qualified in the history of the HHS.
Give me a name, because if he's the least qualified,
you had to rank them. Who's your top three least

(10:26):
qualified HHS secretaries over the past twenty five years? Then
I think it goes into the lack of It's easy
to just toss out a blanket attack, but I guarantee
you that Sonny Hostin can't name three former HHS secretaries
by and large. Second part on this is it fair?
Like I give credit to the View for allowing Cheryl
David to come on, and I think Cheryl David did

(10:47):
a good job. I don't think attacking people's husbands it
feels weird to me like Cheryl David should be able.
Cheryl Hines should be able to come on and talk
about what she believes. She's an accomplished person in her
own right. I think she has a book out and
that's why she's doing the tour and everything else. Attacks

(11:08):
on husbands seems to me to be a I don't
know it. Does it feel weird to you to have
somebody go on and just say not you like because
she's her own public figure. In fact, I would argue
for many people they know Cheryl Hines as well or
better than they do. RFK Junior to go on attack

(11:29):
her for what she believes or what she wrote. But
to say your husband sucks, what's your response? It just
seems like a weak line. Does that does that make sense? Oh, yeah,
to you, like it's funny.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
That's like it's a classic thing with Sonny Hostin where
she goes with all due respect. Did you hear that
kind of muttered? It's like your husband's a dirt bag
who doesn't deserve the job he has and he's reckless,
and like people are suffering because of him, with all
due respect, but there's no respect there.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, right, And they have had Jill by and on
a ton and they never begin by saying, your husband
is the least popular president who's ever existed, and many
people don't believe that he should run for reelection.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
What do you say to that?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
If you're gonna have wives on and go hard at
the one who happens to be married to a Republican,
it doesn't seem like I guarantee you if this would
be a fun test, if you went back and pulled
the questions that they had for Jill Biden and you
compared them with the questions that they had for Cheryl Hines,
I think you would find them to be not even

(12:32):
in the same stratosphere. So if you're going to go
after somebody's husband and one, then the standards should be
we rip husbands to shreds and expect wives to go
on and defend them. And Cheryl Hines is actually an accomplished,
very successful actress who has written a book about her life.
As my understanding, so why not ask her more questions
about her life and her opinions? Now, Hey, do you

(12:54):
find it difficult to be married to someone like RFK
Junior who gets attacked all the time for a variety
of different things. That's a question I think she could
answer that has to do with her relationship, But just basically,
with all due respect, your husband sucks. How would you
respond to that? They would never do that to Jill.
They would never do that to dug im Hoff even
though he's slapping chicks left and right, according to reports

(13:16):
out there. So how do you not treat her the
same way that you would m Hoff or Jill Biden
in that context?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
If that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I mean your standard for spouse treatment should be I
guarantee if Milania went on, they would say, your husband
is an alleged sexual assault her, and which is why
she wouldn't do it. But if you're being fair as
a guest, you should try to treat people the same
as my standard, and clearly they're not willing to do that. Well,
this is why I think there's always lines right inviting

(13:47):
somebody on your show at some levels, like inviting them
into your house. It doesn't mean them, it doesn't even
have to mean that you like them, but you do
have to maintain some level of baseline decorum, at least
until they refuse several times to tell you if they
would pardon Donald Trump. Then the gloves come off. Clay,
I just get frustrated when people won't answer questions that

(14:08):
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(15:56):
can join us in about a half hour or so.
We'll see what he thinks of his dad's big accomplishment.
He's got the number one best selling book in America,
I think as well under siege about what went on
with all the pressure on his dad. We'll dive into
all of that. But we were talking some earlier, Bucket,

(16:17):
I don't think we followed up on it. You went
in doing a deep dive, and I think Ryan Gerdesky
is going to be on with us tomorrow and we'll
text him to give us the most up to date data.
But we were talking about how Jewish voters responded in
twenty twenty four compared to twenty twenty and you said,
maybe like a ten point ish move. There's a lot
of uncertainty about exactly how it took down, But what's

(16:38):
the data that you found?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Three to ten percent shift, So a pretty minute given
the circumstances of October seventh and the clear difference between
Republican and Democrat parties on that issue, a pretty deminimus shift, Clay,
And this just goes to for liberal Jews in this country.
There are things that they they just hold far more

(17:01):
important than the state of Israel and are even linked
to I think turnim blind eye to anti Semitism within
their own party because of it. I really think that's
the case. All my conservative Jewish friends, by the way,
say that about their liberal Jewish cousins. I mean, that's
what ends up happening.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, I think this also goes to the question I
was asking about what has happened the tremendous accomplishment that
Trump has achieved in the Middle East. There's probably forty
five percent of people that if Trump walked on water,
they would say, big deal, who cares? Right, There's almost
nothing that he could do that would change their impressions

(17:37):
of Donald Trump. And that's why I wonder, even with
tremendous extraordinary success in the Middle East, how much it
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
I mean entrepreneur, also a whole bunch of things. So
we'll talk to him about news of the day. His
father's legacy some of the things he's working on. But
this Letitia James situation, Clay, I think is quite interesting.
I read the New York Times most recent large piece

(19:23):
on this story. They wrote on it, and it is
really a masterclass in doing everything possible to try to
shift the playing field the narrative in favor of in
this case, the defendant, Letitia James. Right, it's all oh,
I mean, the storytelling, it's really masterful. You should go,

(19:45):
Clay if you haven't seen this most recent one. It's
like there was a small, modest colonial house on a street,
the flutter of birds in the background, children playing at
a nearby seesaw, and somehow this is at the center
of a political you know, it's like everything is fine,
it's you know, this is just in the this is

(20:06):
like main Street America. And then the mean Republicans come along.
You can almost hear the the theme music becoming angry
and dissonant. But let's issue. James has got an issue here,
and that is she not only signed and this is

(20:27):
all alleged, of course, right, because this is now before
a court and she has been indicted. But the simple
facts are she bought a home and got preferential treatment
on the loan for that home because she indicated that
it would be an investment property. I own a bunch
of investment properties, so I've been through this process.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, she said it was a second residence, right, I
did not say it was an investment property. Wait that
is I gotta go back, and I think I think
the way she said it was primary.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
But the so let's write it down. She said it
was a second home for her.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think she said it was a She was not
going to be renting it out because when you rent
out homes. You know this because you bought a bunch
of rentals. When you're renting out a home, the down
payments are higher and the rates you typically have to
pay are higher. When you say it is a primary
or secondary home, because you are the occupier, you then

(21:28):
are able to get a preparential rate.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, so here you go. This is the indictment says
that while miss James, I got this mixed up in
my head. Miss James indicated to her mortgage broker that
she expected to use the house as a second home,
she had instead used it as a rental property, rental
investment property, renting the property to a family. Now here's
where it gets interesting, or here's what they're saying. What

(21:54):
she really did is not rented and not use it.
And this is where the thing gets a little bit
more confusing. She didn't use it as a second home.
She moved family members of hers into the home who
then paid either no rent or so little rent as
to be essentially deminimous. I mean, it doesn't so she

(22:16):
got the she got the home as her home, because
basically then she's on the hook for both mortgages her
current home that she lives in and the secondary home.
If she says it's a second house for her, if
it's going to be something that she rents out, that
changes the equation for the kind of mortgage you get. Sorry, So, yes,

(22:38):
that is an important point of clarification. But what makes
this more complicated is that she didn't rent it out
and she didn't use it as a second home. She
just used it for nieces of hers to go and
live in. Now, the interesting part of this is that,
according to a few reports that have come out, these nieces,

(23:00):
or one in particular, that one of the nieces is
a convicted felon. Now that or and I think is
wanted also on an additional charges in another state that
creates problems for you in the mortgage process or in
the getting a loan and getting So it seems like

(23:20):
she may have falsified her loan application in order to
help a felon relative get a home that that relative
would not have easily been able to get a mortgage for.
And this is where the preferential loan amount and they
think it's about eighteen thousand dollars eighteen nine hundred comes in. Okay,

(23:41):
let me give you my defense attorney hat here all
of those facts. If I am her defense attorney in
a Northern Virginia courtroom, here is what I am going
to say about this. And again I'm not saying that
this is my argument. I'm saying, pretend you're a jury
and I am defending the Tisha James, and pretend the
jury is made up seventy percent of Trump haters, thirty

(24:07):
percent maybe of Trump voters. That might not even be
an exaggeration, but let's say it's seventy thirty. In other words,
you know, there's twelve jurors.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Let's say eight of them are Kamala voters and four
of them are Trump voters just to roughly kind of
lay it out there. Do you think twelve jurors are
going to convict if her defense buck which I think
it would be, is when I bought this house, I
intended to use it as a secondary residence to get
away from the stress of New York City. You Virginians

(24:37):
know how great of an area in Norfolk is, how
amazing it is to be able to get away. Then
I had some nieces and family members who were destitute
and out on the street, and I decided, because I
had comparatively more that I allowed them to move in.
I wasn't ever planning this, but I just wanted to

(24:58):
extend the hand as a an aunt to family members
that needed help. And now they're trying to prosecute me
for this. If I could go back and redo the mortgage,
I would change it to be more accurate. But life
happens and we adjusted on the fly. This is not intentional.
They're coming after me because of my politics. Would eight
Kamala voters vote to convict if that is her defense. No,

(25:23):
I think that she's Look, she's got Abby Lowell as
a defense attorney. I don't think he's even My guess is,
he's probably not even gonna charge her. He's the kind
of lawyer who usually gets correct mid to high six
figure retainer and gets paid one thousand dollars an hour.
That's what a white collar defense attorney, a top one.
I've known some of them in New York. I have
a friend who did this. That's what they make, you know,

(25:44):
they say, you know, you got to give me a
quarter of a million or a half a million dollar
retainer and then one thousand dollars an hour. So because
criminal defense clients, as you may well understand, are not
great about paying bills, so usually you're like, you better
give me a big retainer because I'm not going to
be trying to track you down if you get convicted
to get paid.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
So that's the way that works doing white collar defense.
You know, stock stuff frauds, things like that, you know,
healthcare fraud. You generally are dealing with clientele that have
some assets, especially on the Wall Street side of things
with insider trading. So that's where the high dollar white
collar defense attorney's come into play. Okay, so she's got
top tier legal defense. You raise a very good point

(26:25):
about the comp I've thought that all along Look, we've
told everybody don't expect a conviction here. Okay, that doesn't
mean it won't happen, and we're not trying to. I
can't make a judgment one or the other. I'm not
on this jury. I don't know. But it's not a
slam dunk. And to Clay's point about that, it's a
grand niece, by the way, Yeah, here though is the
Here is the additional component of this. The reports that

(26:48):
are out that her grand niece has been living rent
free with her children there, and there are reports that
she the grand niece is a fugitive from North Carolina
and has vile probation and still has a bench warrant
out for her. That's what the reporting is as I
have seen it as of this morning. So the one

(27:11):
thing that's you know, you're right, it's going to be
I was trying to help my family. You know, it
was a rental property. I just gave it to them gratis.
But then of course that undermines the risk factors that
go into the loan process. But still there might be
a bit of a tugging on the heartstrings there. But
the fleeing fugitive thing maybe a little that may be
a little bit of also a problem just because you're

(27:31):
the attorney general for the state of New York, and
people might not want to cut you as much slack for,
you know, playing around the edge here a bit when
you're doing this for somebody that's also a convicted felon
or might be a convicted felon.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Let me also give you a counter argument. I just
gave you what I think the defense attorney case argument
partly will be. I believe this house, correct me if
I'm wrong. Crew, I believe it was one hundred and
thirty seven thousand dollars. That is the Norfolk. And I
know I sometimes screw up the pronunciation.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
There is it? Nor?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I don't I want to avoid the curseword, but I
feel like I'm supposed to pronounce it like it's a
curseword at the end, right.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Nor. I'm not even gonna say it because I get
in trouble.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So you guys in the in the in that area,
let me know how I'm supposed to pronounce it. But
how many people do you think buy a secondary home
in this neighborhood? I looked it up where a house
costs one hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars. In other words,
most people who buy second homes, it's your wealthy and

(28:39):
you are getting away from wherever you may live. You
go to a lake, you go to a beach, you
go to the mountains, and you're paying a decent amount
of money for that second home. I think the reality
is she bought this home intending for these grand nieces
or whatever they are relation to her to be able

(29:01):
to live there. I think she actually intentionally lied. So
I think the challenge on this is if you're buying
a second home and you are Letitia James, and I
think she has like a six hundred thousand dollars seven
hundred thousand dollars place in the New York City area.
Based on looking at the images of this house, it's
not like she bought a farm in a rural area

(29:22):
where it's different. This is like not that nice of
a neighborhood in that this area of Virginia. I think
she bought it intending to put her family members in
this home. So I think she did lie. Now she
may defend herself by saying I thought I was gonna
go kick it in Virginia and sit on the porch
and sip, you know, sip drinks on.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
She's gonna claim that it was a change it was
a change in status that occurred after the loan, and
that that that's the best defense she has.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
What I'm saying is, if you actually look at the facts,
if she had bought some riverfront property that's beautiful view,
or she had bought some farm, why.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Would you buy this as a second as a second property?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Most people don't buy second properties my point on this,
that are infinitely worse than their primary property. You don't
want to go to vacation or at least not a
different kind of place, right Like, most people aren't buying
second homes to go live in a home that's far
worse than the home that they live in. Now, most
people don't buy second homes. They're not wealthy enough to
do it, understood, But this was not. She was buying

(30:25):
this for her family. I think she intentionally lied. Now,
I think she'll defend herself by saying, oh, I didn't
know my family was going to end up in these
dire straits here, But I think the facts actually don't
support that argument.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well, this is like the old man rule that I've
instituted at least for myself, which is, if I'm going
to travel somewhere for like leisure, the bed has to
be about as comfortable as my current bed or else.
I don't want to go like I used to do.
I used to rough it, man. I used to stay
and you know, I would go to like when I
was a college kid. I would stay in places where

(30:58):
I mean, heck, places where I wasn't even sure my
stuff was going to be there the next morning when
I woke up, right, I mean, that was just the
reality of it. Now that I'm an old man, I'm like, what,
what's the what's the thread count? Is it quiet? Will they?
Will they leave me? Leave me alone until at least
ten am? Like I am very different rules now for vacation.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well, I will just point out, and all of you
hikers out there are going to get angry at me.
The wilderness has houses and hotels near it.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I don't mind, Like that's great. Clay's going after you
campers out there. Clay is a city.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Is a city, kid, not even like I'm fine, Like
I'll go on a hike, I will go, uh go canoeing,
I will go. I'm not really that excited about putting
up a tent and sleeping on the ground.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Now, I we are. We are very sympatico on this one.
And I grew up doing that because my dad liked
to do it and I did not like sleeping on
the ground. I like beds. I like beds, like refrigerators.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Air has air conditioning every wilderness, and not necessarily in itself.
There's always a place to sleep where you can still
experience the wild. And so I am a let's go,
let's experience the wild, but then let's return to a bed.
You know, humanity has evolved so that we do not
have to sleep on the floors.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
And I think we just we both like we both
like glamping, and about half of our audience right now
is pulling our man cards. So I think that just happened.
I think we both were on temporary man card restriction
here on the show Clay because we see out of
eye on this one. I am not I don't want
to go anywhere where people are like you might get

(32:38):
eaten by the wildlife too bad, you know you're visiting them.
It's like, I'm I'm not into that. I want to
at least be able to get in my car and leave.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
In fact, we had dinner with your dad recently and
you and your brother were talking about being abandoned in
the in the wilds of Alaska when we have on
a trip.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
The grizzly bears all around us, and they're like, we
may not be able to get you guys out. You
might have to sleep here. We had nothing. We're just
going to sleep on the river bank overnight because we
got dropped in by helicopter and the helicopter couldn't retrieve
us and we were freezing and had no food. That
was a quote vacation okay, ten years ago. That was
my vacation by bears in the middle of the night. Boys.

(33:18):
My dad, by the way, loves that stuff. He's like,
you never feel is alive is when you think you're
going to lose the battle with mother nature. Like he
loves that stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I have no insuest hikers and campers are right now
just furiously uh from there. We're going to get julled
up in these emails and talkbacks.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
But we just love it. I mean, we'll be safe,
We'll be safe and warm while you guys are out
on the trail.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
That's exactly right. I mean some of you still want
to sleep in caves. That's not my thing, you know, like,
oh look it's a great cave. It's try there might
be a bear in there. I'll just stay at a hotel.

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Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in La Travis buck Sexton show.
A lot of campers coming at us, A lot of
hikers coming at us.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm sorry, you're gonna be throwing their gross freeze dried
food at us any minute now.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
But we have a ton of reactions. We'll get into
some of these in the third hour.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
But I do think.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
What started all of this was the discussion of Leticia James,
and I wanted to mention this and we may dive
into it at some point in the third hour. Eric
Trump gonna join us at the top of the next hour.
We shouldn't underrate what Lindsay Halligan has pulled off here.
She is the thirty six year old that Donald Trump
put in charge of all of this area of Virginia.

(35:45):
She has now gotten James Comey indicted, and she's gotten
Leticia James indict.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Let's see how these cases go. Clay indicting at Ham Sandwich.
As we know, we got Kyle and Anchorage, Alaska. By
the way, an Anchorage native who I think has something
interesting to say. Play go ahead.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Hi, Yes, Kyle here from Anchorage. I want to let
you guys know someone that lives in a last loves
the outdoors, love spending time in the outdoors. I want
to affirm your position though. I'm someone that will hike
starting at six am all throughout to midnight, but I
will make it a priority that I will get a
hot shower and go back to my bed at night.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Kyle, always call a smart man a smart man.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Just civilize. I mean, this is what we did. We
we evolved to not have to sleep on the ground.
You can experience nature's unificence that I pronounced that correct,
the incredible aspects of nature without needing to sleep on dirt.
When we come back, this guy doesn't sleep on dirt.
Eric Trump, he'll tell us about his new best selling book,

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