October 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a high-energy, politically charged interview with Republican NYC mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa, just six days ahead of the pivotal New York City election. This segment centers on Sliwa’s refusal to drop out of the race despite concerns that vote-splitting between him and Andrew Cuomo could hand victory to Democratic Socialist Zohran Mamdani. Sliwa passionately defends his candidacy, invoking populist themes, his Guardian Angels legacy, and a commitment to fighting crime and corruption in NYC.
The hour features Sliwa’s fiery rhetoric against both Cuomo and Mamdani, whom he labels as equally destructive to New York. He blames Cuomo for enabling Mamdani’s rise and criticizes Cuomo’s past policies, including no-cash bail, prison closures, and mismanagement of juvenile crime. Sliwa also reveals he was offered $10 million to drop out of the race—an allegation he calls unethical and potentially criminal. He emphasizes his grassroots campaign, his new “Protect Animals” ballot line, and his belief in democratic choice over billionaire influence.
Clay and Buck analyze Sliwa’s strategy and motivations, concluding that Sliwa sees no meaningful difference between Cuomo and Mamdani, which justifies his continued presence in the race. They debate whether Mamdani’s potential victory would be a disaster for NYC or a wake-up call for the rest of the country about the dangers of far-left governance. The hosts explore how Mamdani’s radical positions—such as taxing white neighborhoods more, defunding police, and supporting socialist policies—could impact national politics and the Democratic Party’s future.
The conversation expands to compare Mamdani’s ideology with other prominent Democrats like Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden, arguing that while mainstream Democrats often mask their progressive agendas, Mamdani openly embraces extreme left-wing positions. The hosts suggest that Mamdani’s election could serve as a cautionary tale for voters nationwide and potentially fuel a conservative resurgence.
Listeners from across the country weigh in, with some supporting Clay’s concerns about vote-splitting and others expressing fatigue over NYC-centric coverage. The hosts defend the focus, citing the national significance of the NYC mayoral race and its implications for the broader political landscape.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We have been talking quite a lot about the upcoming
New York City Mayor's election six days from now, also
voters going to the polls in New Jersey, Virginia and elsewhere.
As we are continuing to break all that down. We've
been talking a lot about Mom Donnie Cuomo and Sleiwa,
(00:24):
and the Republican nominee for the New York City Mayor's
office is in with us now. He is Curtis Sliwa.
And Curtis, we appreciate you coming on the show, and
I know that you are running around like crazy talking everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So I'm just going to start off. Let's just dive
right into it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I have pledged if you win, so you know, to
wear a red beret for a week and open up
a bar tab at a sports bar not run by
communists in New York City. So I'm on the record there.
If you win, here's my concern. You can tell me
why I'm a moron if you stay in this race.
I think on Wednesday we are going to wake up
(01:06):
and we are going to see that Mam Donni did
not get the majority of the vote. But that you
and Andrew Cuomo have split the anti Mam Donnie vote
and as a result, this awful Marxist, left wing lunatic
Mam Donnie is going to be the next mayor of
New York City. If that happens, will you feel responsible?
(01:29):
How would you respond to someone like me who thinks
that that's the most likely outcome if you stay in
the race.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, let's go back to your initial statement. That's too
easy at a bartab in a jin mail. How about
writing the number fourteen the muggers express with me and
your red.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Beret fighting crime.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, that's a little more dangerous.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But on this right, I will join you on whatever
public transit you would like me to join you on.
If you are New York City's mayor in a red beret,
I will join you. So I'll up it up a notch.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But remember, wait, is that acad the reason there is
a Zorhan Mandami? He said you had a failed mayor,
Eric Adams, the most corrupt in the history of New
York City. And that's saying a lot. Had he been
a halfway decent mayor, it would have been round too
twenty twenty five, as it was in twenty twenty one,
Eric Adams and come in Democrat running against Republican challenger
(02:24):
Curtis leew So. Eric Adams failed Democrat, then into a
Cuomo like a political zombie. Came back from the Hamptons
where he was hanging out with his billionaire friends with
forty points that had on March first when he announced
he was running in the Democratic primary to become the
next mayor. Three and a half months later, with Zon
(02:44):
Mondami at one percent when in who announced that forty percent,
he got beat by thirteen percent and admitted he ran
a horrible race. He didn't do retail politics. Well, guess what.
Just recently The New York Post published a story that
said that Enteran Clomo has been absent from the campaign
trail for ten days since Labor Day. You don't win
(03:06):
elections that way. I'm in the subways, I'm in the streets,
I'm on the buses. I'm meeting the people, the voters.
I am the republican populist, blue collar, working class Cannidy.
That's my pathway to victory. Andrew Cromo is responsible for
the rise of Joan Mondami, and the Democrats are responsible
(03:27):
for the Socialists taking over their party. So why would
I even drop out? And by the way, you can't
drop out. I'm on the ballot now, I'm not on
the number two line on the Republican canndy. There's no
dropping out. I've never intended to drop out. Billionaires tried
to bribe me with ten million dollars. Now I got
to walk around with armed guards along with my wife
(03:47):
Nancy because our lives have been threatened. You really think
that courteously, with everything I've been through in my life,
is going to drop out? Think of that last scene
in Braveheart where mel Gibson is on the gurney and
the exit Kushna says, I want you to bow to
the King of England or I'm gonna impale you. I'm
saying impale me. I will never support angewl Cuomo, the
(04:11):
prince of evil. He's cold hearted, he is the worst
of what the Democratic Party represents.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So if I am right though, and mam Donnie wins
because you and Cuomo split the anti mam Donni vote,
is it your contention that Mamdanni is not gonna be
worse than Cuomo would be. And by the way, Bucket
not neither Buck nor I have any love loss for
Cuomo at all, and Bucks you've won Buck over with
your brave heart analogy there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yes, but he's gonna say that's that's all I needed
to hear. But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But if if Mam Donnie is elected, do you not
think that he will be worse for New York City
than Cuomo? Or do you think they're both so awful?
There's no distinction at all, no matter who would win it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
There Well, the reason that we lock up twoth fast
and not criminals is the architect of no cash bail,
Andrew Cuomo, and then his apprentice is Orhamandami. Guys. My
oldest son, Anthony was nearly killed and a gang attack juveniles.
They stomped him. He's lucky to have survived because of
(05:16):
the architect of raised the age, Cuomo and his supporter
on that the apprentice or a Mandami. These five juveniles,
who should have gone to criminal court and been charged
with adult crimes, went to family court and were released
on their own recognizance to their parents and then lastly
Governor Cuomo when he was in charge ten years ago
(05:38):
before he fled impeachment to the Hamptons he was the
architect of closing our prison Rikers Island and his apprentice,
Jorhan Mandami, they both have led to the crime crisis
that were in now. I see no differentiation. They are
birds of a feather, two peas in a pod. They're Democrats.
They have caused the destruction of New York State. They're
(05:58):
looking to destroy New York City. And again, Andrew Cuomo
has only himself to blame for Johan Mandami being the
Democratic nominee because he didn't run a race. So I'm
the Republican. I have Republican values completely different than my adversaries.
I believe this is a strange notion in America, isn't it.
Democracy should prevail. The billionaires aren't going to choose the mayor,
(06:22):
or the influences or the inside is the people, one person,
one vote. Let the people choose the next mayor. Cuomo
has already signaled that if he loses his on on Mondami,
he's fleeing to Florida. I stay, I fight for what
I know is right, improved. Don't move. If I happen
to lose his on, I will become his worst night mare.
(06:43):
Twenty four seven, three six five. I fight, fight, fight, fight.
Cuomo runs, runs, runs, runs.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
All right, So now the other New Yorker here, Curtis,
wants to jump in. I wanted Clay to be able
to get out there because he's been he's been worried
about the ticket splitting issue. I just want to think
out there that I think blue face paint a La
Braveheart along with your red beret would be a good
look in these final days, because that is a fantastic movie.
And now to his point, you have won me over
(07:11):
with your fight to the very end. But tell me this,
how is it that you could win? Is it that
all the polls, If you win based on what the
so called intelligentsia and the political political class, pundits, et cetera,
based on what they've been saying, it would be the
biggest upset. I don't know. I mean, certainly along the
(07:32):
lines of Trump twenty sixteen, bigger than that based on
the numbers. What do you say to those people who
are telling you you're a long shot, you're a no shot,
and you're just helping the other side, right, how do
you win? What's your pathway look like?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Last time I ran against Serry Adams, and remember I
did want everybody. He would be corrupt and they would
be chaos. I was right about that. I got twenty
eight percent of the vote, So I build on the
twenty eight percent. I not only have conservative Republican votes,
there are two and a half times the number of independents,
and there are Republicans. I have that vote, and I
(08:07):
have a new line, independent line protect the animals, first
time ever in electoral history. My wife was able to
get the signatures to qualify it. It's the first independent
line on the ballot. Try to find Angel Cuomo in
the maze very difficult. And it calls for no killed
shelters and put animal abuses in jail. Let me tell
you something, there are a lot of women and men
(08:29):
who are one issue voters out there when it comes
to animals. Mahatma Gandhi said, it's a society that does
not take care of its animals, does not take care
of its people. And look at us here in New
York City. We don't take care of our homeless, our
emotionally disturbed, our veterans. But Cuomo supported the seven billion
dollars that Eric Adams spent on illegal aliens. People. We
(08:51):
didn't even know I want to take care of our own.
It's time we bring it home and care for our homeless,
our emotionally disturbed, and most importantly, our veterans who have
been forshaken. You don't hear almost saying that, and naturally
you don't hear.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
The artist Curtis. I love the protect animals thing. I
love dogs as much as any human being I've ever met,
and other animals too, So I think that's fantastic. But
I want to ask you about this, the Mam Donnie
shape shifting situation here, or the code switching, the changing
it up on some of the stuff. For example, now
(09:27):
he's saying he would keep Jessica Tish, who I actually
worked with at the NYPD many years ago, keep her
in the commissioner role. What do you make of that?
I mean, is it just'll say anything to make people
not as scared of his communist nonsense as they should be.
What's going on, Well.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
He's built the basio on steroids. Now remember he's more
dangerous because build the basio halfway through the night would
be on the back porch your gray see mansion, smoking
his Maui wowie and Hindu cush with his grip to
wipe Charlette with Zara Mondami, he would give twenty hours
a day to destroying the city. But Deblasio, when he
was running in twenty thirteen, said I will choose Bill
(10:06):
Bratton as my police commissioner. That was his insurance policy.
So he's following in the footsteps of his mentor Build
de Bozsio by saying I will keep Jessica Tish. The
question is if you should win well Jessica Tiss stay.
I don't know. I don't have conversations with her. I've
got my boots on the ground. I'm in the subways.
(10:27):
I'm dealing with regular, average day, working class people. I'll
let the elites determine that while I'm in the streets.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Curtis Leewill with us right now, running Republican nominee for
mayor of New York City. You mentioned right off the
top that you've been offered ten million dollars to drop
out by billionaires. What do those offers look like and
will you tell us who's been offering for you to
be paid to drop out.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Of the race.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, well, there were seven calls that I fielded from
people I grew up with that are not supporting me.
They're supporting which is fine, but they were calling on
his behalf for me to drop out. And the last call,
which my wife listened to, who is a attorney Nancy,
got to the point where I said no, no, a
thousand times no. And then he said, Curtis, everybody has
(11:15):
a price. Ten million dollars is a lot of money
to walk away from. I said, guy, you know me.
I was born with nothing. I'll die with nothing, ashes
to ashes, dust to dust. This sounds to me unethical.
It's a bribe. He could be illegal. And from that
day forward, my wife said, look, you got to put
everybody on blast that if they're going to talk to
(11:37):
you about bribing you, you're going to be wired up
like a Christmas tree, which I am now. And they've
been no call since now. The people who reached me
have family people, They have businesses in the business of politics,
which you know is the dirtiest business of all, just
asked the founder of UFC. He said the same thing,
(11:59):
the dirtiest business. I give these guys a past, they
know not what they do. But anybody moving forward, hey,
you're going to be prosecuted for obviously illegalities and for
what are corrupted practices?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Have you talked to Donald Trump? He has discussed your candidacy.
He's talked about the fact that sometimes he wishes you
would drop out because he's concerned about mom Donnie becoming
the mayor of New York City.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Have you talked to Trump? What have those conversations been like.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, I am not spoken to the president recently. For
forty years, I knew Donald Trump as a New Yorker.
We had a love hate relationship like most people had
with Donald Trump. I mean, you look at his vice president,
Jade Van's doing a great job. He called them hitler
in twenty sixteen, and now he's a vice president. So
I've been on the roller coaster with Donald Trump. Like
(12:48):
most people. He's not reached out to me. He's not
talked to me. He certainly has had conversations with Andrew
Cuomo and with Eric Adams, and the President is free
to do what he wishes. I wish he wouldn't. He hasn't.
But I've always said and said publicly, mister President, you're
trying to get peace in the Middle East and Persian Gulf,
(13:08):
that you're the only guy who can do that. You
gotta get peace between Russia and Ukraine. You're the only
guy who can do that. He's dealing with Asia now
and the Red Chinese menace. He's the only guy who
can deal with that comparably to those bigger issues. Do
you think weighing in on the mayoral race in New
York City is equal to those? I don't think so.
(13:30):
And by the way, Zoraan Mandami loves it, because then
he plays David to Goliath. He doesn't want to run
against Andrew Cuomoa. Curtest Lee, well, he wants to run
against Donald Trump, who happens not to be very popular
in New York City. He is around the country, he
is in other parts of New York State. The benefit
of my running and winning a mayoral election as a
(13:52):
Republican is it's nineteen ninety three all over again. Rudy
Giuliani won. I am Rudy Giuliani two point zero, and
next year we set it up the way it was
in ninety four when Pataki beat the better Cuomo Mario
and we had not only competence, no corruption, no chaos.
Crime went down with Rudy and with Pataki, you elect
(14:17):
me the Republican mayor and then we pull out all
the stops to elect congresswoman at least Stefonik the governor
next year Republican Kennedy, and we can return to the
days of Giuliani and Pataki and send Kathy Hokoll packing
back to Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
All right, Curtis, real quick, we only have thirty seconds
before we get into heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Here.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Where can people go? We got a big wor audience.
I want to mobilize for you. What's the site? What
do they do?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Just go to sliwa for NYC dot com. That sliwa
fo r NYC dot com.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
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and Buck. We want to get your reactions, responds, is analysis,
short form essays, whatever you got in response to the
Curtis Leewa interview we just had there. Curtis is taking
this to the very end. He is not dropping out, obviously,
(16:14):
and I didn't really get clarification on how he can win.
But I did get clarification on he is not going
to drop out. That I can say, and also he
takes no responsibility Clay for what you asked, which was
the question about what if it is close enough that
Cuomo would have I kind of think that he thinks
Cuomo wouldn't be any better than Mamdani ultimately, and I
(16:35):
am very I'm actually sympathetic to that point of view.
I know that sounds crazy to people. Cuomo was awful.
I lived in New York when he was governor. He
was terrible, a terrible governor.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So I think my biggest takeaway is that Buck because look,
I believe the data is going to come out and
we'll talk more about this because we got a quick turn.
Let's play CC. I'll tell you what I took away
from that conversation. You guys have talked away in place.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
In Sauna from Hunsoul, Alabama calling in to defend to
Clay and his take on the New York mayor's race.
If the race were between a Democrat and a Republican only,
he would be all in on the Republicans staying in
the race. Fight fight, fight, You never know what might happen.
But if you are splitting the vote three ways, someone
has to drop out. Our mom Dommy winn so back
(17:21):
off people. Clay is right this Alabama girls got your back, Clay.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I knew that Alabama's Alabamians they would all have my back. Look,
the math is the math, and we'll talk about this
when we come back.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
My concern, and I laid it out for Curtis and
you guys heard it, is that when we look at
the final tally on Tuesday night, on Wednesday morning early,
we're going to see that actually the majority of New
York voters voted against Mom Donni. But because the anti
Mam Donnie vote is split between Sliwa and Cuomo, that
means Mam Donnie's going to be the next mayor of
(17:54):
New York City.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's my concern.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. Okay, let's
dive right into the interview we just had with Curtis Sliwa. So, Buck,
(19:04):
you tell me if you disagree with any of these takeaways.
First of all, the fact that he was potentially offered
ten million dollars to drop out of the race, and
I asked him directly about it is actually a huge crime,
I think candidly if that took place, So that's very
newsworthy to me.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But to me, the most.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Significant thing in terms of analyzing Sleewa's motivations Buck, is
he doesn't see any difference between Mom Donnie and Cuomo.
I think that's the essence of why he is staying
in the race, That he doesn't believe that it's going
to be measurably worse if it's Mom Donnie or if
it's Cuomo. He sees them both as bad options, and
therefore he does not feel as if one or the
(19:48):
other of them is the winner. It doesn't matter to
him now whether that's true or not, I think will
remain to be seen.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But ultimately his motivation.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
In not dropping out is that he doesn't think Mam
Donni or Cuomo it's going to make much difference at mayor.
Do you take that as the biggest sort of analysis
of why he's staying in the race, because I directly
asked him, and I think the data is going to
reflect Mam Donnie's not going to get the majority of
the vote, The anti Mam Donnie vote is going to
be split between Cuomo and Sliwa. If you really cared
(20:19):
and thought that Cuomo would be better, you would drop out.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He clearly doesn't believe that. Yeah, Look, I think what
we did on Earth here was there's a deep disdain
between Cuomo and or that's Leewa has for Cuomo. And
I would assume it goes both ways based on Cuomo's
reputation too. And I think it's fair because I came
(20:44):
to this before we talked to Salila to say the
notion that Curtis should alter anything in his trajectory because
Andrew Cuomo has a chance to be mayor. Andrew Cuomo
is held was such an awful governor that he's a
big part of why I left New York. So so
(21:06):
I kind of sit here and I go, that's what's
gonna happen here. Remember Cuomo chips everybody.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Remember no no bail, no jail, Remember all the thing,
Remember the the ventilators, and you can't You couldn't open
the gyms in New York, even after we hit the
numbers you were supposed to open.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You couldn't go walk outside. They're putting circles in the parks.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That all.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He was horrible, an absolute moron, and was and was
pushed out of office because basically people just didn't like him.
I mean, I know they say it was a me
too thing, but it was really just he's kind of
gross and creepy and weird. I mean it was I
think it was Biden because he was gonna run against Biden.
That's my theory. I think that. I mean, maybe Biden
all the cod the code read on him to push
(21:47):
him aside. But isn't that interesting if Biden had the
juice to do that, Clay and then what happened with
Biden later on. You know who's the chief strategist of
that one, Karine Jean Pierre. So anyway, that's the tough
part to this that I have. If there was a
if there was an actual, moderate, competent, moderate third option here,
(22:08):
I would have a lot more I would understand a
lot more of the pressure pressure on Curtis. I'm not
convinced that the Cuomo will be better than Mamdani. I
know that sounds insane. I am not as someone who lived,
go back to what it was like everybody in New
York under Cuomo. He is a moron. He is corrupt too,
by the way, he could not he was the worst
(22:29):
governor in America during COVID. He did the no bail,
no jail. Before COVID, he flooded the streets with the
crazies and the criminals. And he's completely unrepentant and ran
a lazy ass campaign. I mean, well so because he doesn't,
you know, use the pithy sly phrases of the socialist
Mamdanni will think he'd be that much better. Look, do
(22:50):
I think he'd be a little better? I guess, but
you know, maybe I'm much iffier on that than other people.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
So you know what you're saying, funding like, is my
argument that you just got to let New York City
make an awful choice, which New York City appears it's
going to do, and that it will be beneficial in
the rest of the nation even if New York City
has to deal with this truly awful mayoral choice.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I think that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Look, I told Curtis Slee well when he came on
the show, exactly what I think is going to happen.
He made his argument of why he's not willing to
drop out, and if Mom Donnie wins, I think it
is simultaneously awful for New York City because I do
believe that the best case scenario is that he's so
incompetent he can't enact the agenda that he hoped to enact,
(23:43):
and then at some point his far left wing base
turns on him because he gets into office and is
in not able to actually deliver on any of this.
I think that's probably a best case scenario. But for
the nation, I think Mom Donnie is the face of
the Democrat Party is a disastrous I think AOC is
(24:03):
the face of the Democrat Party is disastrous. And so
I think it will actually be very beneficial in the
House of Representatives and in Senate and governor races in
same parts of America to say look out or else
you're going to turn into New York City. And I
do think that if Mamdanni is able to put his
policies into place book.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
They're going to make things way worse. So here's also
an assumption. Again we're trying to think outside the box here,
cover everything and not just get locked into a set
of analytic beliefs and suppositions that could be completely wrong
or could be totally off. Because Clay here's a part
of all this. Oh well, if Mamdannie wins, this is
(24:46):
going to mean that there's this big lesson that America
takes from it because of how bad things will be
in New York et cetera. Et cetera. I bring you
a then little known now I know he can't run
for president, wasn't born here. But in terms of the
left an AOC and this wing of the party, Barack
Obama was the most left wing senator in the United
States Senate before he became president for eight years.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He did some dancing around some of the issues like
the gay marriage thing and others, and he had the
whole media behind and all this stuff. But I'm not
as convinced they got what forty nine percent of the
vote to go for Kamala Harris, the worst candidate that
he of us have ever seen in our life. Yes,
So this assumption that the Democrats won't go all in
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for someone because they're two left wing, I'm not convinced
that that's as clear as many of us on the
right think it would be. And I'm not clear that
that Mamdani is going to be such a disaster that
he will sink the hopes of the progressive left for
the next election. I'm just not as convinced as everybody.
I mean, maybe harm them. I think he harms them.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I think the scary thing is basically what left wingers
are saying is we don't care about good governance, we
don't care about basic common sense. We're angry living in
New York City and we're going to buy into these
ridiculous ideas like freeze the rent and start your own
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groceries all this.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
How is how is Mam Donnie when push comes to shove,
more left wing than Gavin Newsom?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, I really think Gavin Newsom, to my knowledge,
Gavin Newsom has not said we're going to tax white
neighborhoods higher, which Mam Donnie has said.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Uh, we are going to make every bus free, and
in doing so, we're going to make I mean, I
think I think Mam Donnie is way further left. I mean,
I don't know that Gavin Newsom has said prisons are
a problem because they just hide bad people.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
All this, they don't actually make us say if you
go back again. I'm trying to be a little provocative here,
but I'm trying to get us outside of the of
the echo chamber on the right a little bit. Clay,
what was Gavin Newsom saying in twenty twenty, that's because
we have to compare apples to apples here, Gavin's you know.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Gavin Newsom, I think is stands for nothing. I don't
think I think Mom Donnie in his head is convinced
that he is a hero and that left wing political
ideals are the only solution. I think that Gavin Newsom,
if he thought he could get elected by saying everything
that Ronald Reagan said, he would say. And so I
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think Gavin Newsom has been more willing to tiptoe up
to the ideas that Mam Donnie is just one hundred
percent indorsed.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, but then again, look at Joe Biden, who was
supposed to be blue collar Joe riding the Chuchu. We
say this a million times. I don't know how much
more left wing you could have had in terms of
policy than what you had from the White House with
Joe Biden's advisors, with the auto pen and what they
were doing. And remember there are things they want, Hey,
ten million they let the border. Ten million people came
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into the country, and they knew it and they wanted more.
They ended the country illegally under false pretense. How much
more left wing can you get? That was the Joe
Biden administration. What I'm trying to say is what we
create these distinctions between Mam Donnie and oh but what
about Cuomo and everything on Democrats? Really a Democrat, my friends,
they agree on like ninety five percent of this stuff
when it actually comes to pulling the lever for one
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thing or another. Yes, but I think they tried to
avoid saying the things that Mamdanni has said directly. Let
me give you an example. Kamala Harris said.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
We need to have illegal immigrants getting trans surgery paid
for by tax and she was vice president. Yes, but
but when that came out, they tried to argue that
that wasn't true because they knew it was politically an issue.
Let me give you an example. Gavin Newsom, remember when
they did the big reparation study in California and they
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all endorsed reparations and then Gavin Newsom, what did you do?
He just said, yeah, he just walked away from it.
He just said, yeah, we're not gonna do reports.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, that's because that's a that's a right the check moment,
and he knew that he couldn't actually write the check.
But I think Mam Donnie might come across some of
those moments too. He can't the legislature has to do
a lot of the stuff that he's saying he wants
to do.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
But Mamdannie directly said, Kevin Newsom hasn't said, Hey, we're
gonna we're going to tax white neighborhoods harder. Like he
hasn't directly said these things, but he commissioned hold on again,
hold on, he commissioned the reparation study. Like he played
into the whole game.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
But when push comes to shove, he says, we're not
going to do that, and he directly said it, like
I think Dora on Mundanni, because he can't ever run
for president, is gonna say all sorts of crazy things,
and I think he's saying them, we're playing the cuts.
I agree with you that they try to run as
more moderate than they are.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, but I think moderate Democrats are a myth. Clay
is what I'm saying. It's a myth.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It doesn't really exist to a large extent. I think
that's true. Fetterman seems to me to be somebody who
is somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
He's about to get kicked out of the party. He
is and Nook.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
This is what Andrew Cuomo said on Maria Barceromo this morning.
Now it's convenient for him to now be making the argument.
But I think he's right that there's going to be
a civil war inside of the Democrat Party. And I
think the Democrat Party is potentially going to destroy itself
by going too far. I don't have to They have
to appeal to people who still have some semblance of sanity. Now,
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we came within two hundred and twenty five thousand votes
of Kamala Harris being able to be elected.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's scary.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And there is a committed, huge base of.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Democrat voters, and a lot of them are older, sadly,
who pick the party and aren't willing to consider principle
or policy and are going to show up and push
the button no matter what. And I think the challenge here,
this is my big thesis for a long time, is
until you have such an ass kicking that somebody in
the Democrat Party says they heard our message and there's
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no way we can win with it. And they haven't
gotten it yet, I think they're going to continue to
double triple and quadruple down on crazy. The difference to
me between Mam Donnie and others is he says explicitly
the crazy thing. Others tiptoe up to it and try
to avoid the SoundBite of the crazyn hard time.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
So there's there's a few things here, and and again
I'm trying. I'm trying to, you know, take us outside
of what I think is the consensus on the right
on some of this stuff. But I think that the
policies that you will get from a Cuomo versus a
Mamdanni in New York, the actual difference in how they
will govern, not in what they will say and how
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they will govern, is pretty minimal. Well, I mean that minimal.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's the argument that so Slie what has to be
making to himself to stay in the race.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, but I'm That's why I've been saying this for
a while. I really think that we've gotten way too
sold on Cuomo is not Joe Manchin. Okay, Cuomo was
a disastrous governor. Hey, there's the life community hates the
pro gun community. I mean, he's terrible. Here's the big
question on this though, This is the part that I
worry about. Let's say you're right, New York voters are
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so committed to their political worldview that they would vote
for the extinction of their city as an elite shining
city on a hill example of American exceptionalism. They don't
connect the choices they make politically with the poor results
that they're seeing on the street. That to me is
the scariest part of all this. That people are so
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committed to their political view that they don't take responsibility
for the consequences of those political views. And that's the
scary thing about Mom. That's been every Democrat city. That's
been every Democrat city in America for like fifty years now,
So I mean that's not slowly.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
But but why was it different with Juliani? In nineteen
ninety three the.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Murder rate got so high, so bad pee people in
you know, Guadalajara and cartel Wars were like, I can't
go vacation in New York. That place is crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So the answer is, sadly New Yorkers haven't suffered enough
based on the four choices that they've made. Unfortunately, yes,
that that we do end up on that square here
in this situation.
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Speaker 2 (34:57):
All right, we got a lot of email. Oh sorry,
we got a lot of emails coming in. Do you
want to get some of these vip emails because fire away,
fire away. All right, we'll do this one vip from
Jill Buck is right. Cuomo is the same as Mumdanni.
The only difference is the free bus issue. Cuomo defunded,
the police will fight Trump on immigration, invented, no bail,
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wants green energy supported Alvin Bragg. He's the same. Let
Mamdanni win. At least the truth will come out about socialism.
I mean, yeah, this goes to my Cuomo is marginally
better than Mamdani at best. At best, I don't know
you disagree play.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I mean, no, no, no, Look, I think that the
practical impact is going to be negligible. But I do
think Mam Donnie as a Hey, you know, the worst
thing about nine to eleven is the fact that my
aunt was uncomfortable getting on the subway is pretty culturally
significantly different. VIP email from Karen. Can you guys talk
about something other than the New York City election. It's
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been days. Folks who live in other states don't give
a crap. If the idiots of New York vote for
a communists. We will have the uh, We'll have a representative.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Donald's on from Florida here shortly, who's running for governor,
and we will talk about perhaps Trump's visit to the
Far East. But that's kind of a big story, guys.
I see New York City Mayor's by far the biggest
story going on right now.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You can say New Jersey governor, you can say Virginia governor,
which we both have covered significantly both of those races.
But I think in terms of the national impact, there
are three races that are going on right now. Who
gets elected New York City mayor, I think is far
bigger than who gets elected New Jersey or Virginia governor
because of the impact of the mayor.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Can we can we give? Can we give all due
credit to UH, to Katie Miller, Steven Miller's wife for
her for her slap down on the on the TV
screen Clay coming up here. I want everyone to hear
the SoundBite. It's fabulous. Yes, oh, I love it. We'll
do that too,
Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We have been talking quite a lot about the upcoming
New York City Mayor's election six days from now, also
voters going to the polls in New Jersey, Virginia and elsewhere.
As we are continuing to break all that down. We've
been talking a lot about Mom Donnie Cuomo and Sleiwa,
(00:24):
and the Republican nominee for the New York City Mayor's
office is in with us now. He is Curtis Sliwa.
And Curtis, we appreciate you coming on the show, and
I know that you are running around like crazy talking everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So I'm just going to start off. Let's just dive
right into it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I have pledged if you win, so you know, to
wear a red beret for a week and open up
a bar tab at a sports bar not run by
communists in New York City. So I'm on the record there.
If you win, here's my concern. You can tell me
why I'm a moron if you stay in this race.
I think on Wednesday we are going to wake up
(01:06):
and we are going to see that Mam Donni did
not get the majority of the vote. But that you
and Andrew Cuomo have split the anti Mam Donnie vote
and as a result, this awful Marxist, left wing lunatic
Mam Donnie is going to be the next mayor of
New York City. If that happens, will you feel responsible?
(01:29):
How would you respond to someone like me who thinks
that that's the most likely outcome if you stay in
the race.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, let's go back to your initial statement. That's too
easy at a bartab in a jin mail. How about
writing the number fourteen the muggers express with me and
your red.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Beret fighting crime.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, that's a little more dangerous.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But on this right, I will join you on whatever
public transit you would like me to join you on.
If you are New York City's mayor in a red beret,
I will join you. So I'll up it up a notch.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But remember, wait, is that acad the reason there is
a Zorhan Mandami? He said you had a failed mayor,
Eric Adams, the most corrupt in the history of New
York City. And that's saying a lot. Had he been
a halfway decent mayor, it would have been round too
twenty twenty five, as it was in twenty twenty one,
Eric Adams and come in Democrat running against Republican challenger
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Curtis leew So. Eric Adams failed Democrat, then into a
Cuomo like a political zombie. Came back from the Hamptons
where he was hanging out with his billionaire friends with
forty points that had on March first when he announced
he was running in the Democratic primary to become the
next mayor. Three and a half months later, with Zon
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Mondami at one percent when in who announced that forty percent,
he got beat by thirteen percent and admitted he ran
a horrible race. He didn't do retail politics. Well, guess what.
Just recently The New York Post published a story that
said that Enteran Clomo has been absent from the campaign
trail for ten days since Labor Day. You don't win
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elections that way. I'm in the subways, I'm in the streets,
I'm on the buses. I'm meeting the people, the voters.
I am the republican populist, blue collar, working class Cannidy.
That's my pathway to victory. Andrew Cromo is responsible for
the rise of Joan Mondami, and the Democrats are responsible
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for the Socialists taking over their party. So why would
I even drop out? And by the way, you can't
drop out. I'm on the ballot now, I'm not on
the number two line on the Republican canndy. There's no
dropping out. I've never intended to drop out. Billionaires tried
to bribe me with ten million dollars. Now I got
to walk around with armed guards along with my wife
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Nancy because our lives have been threatened. You really think
that courteously, with everything I've been through in my life,
is going to drop out? Think of that last scene
in Braveheart where mel Gibson is on the gurney and
the exit Kushna says, I want you to bow to
the King of England or I'm gonna impale you. I'm
saying impale me. I will never support angewl Cuomo, the
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prince of evil. He's cold hearted, he is the worst
of what the Democratic Party represents.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So if I am right though, and mam Donnie wins
because you and Cuomo split the anti mam Donni vote,
is it your contention that Mamdanni is not gonna be
worse than Cuomo would be. And by the way, Bucket
not neither Buck nor I have any love loss for
Cuomo at all, and Bucks you've won Buck over with
your brave heart analogy there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yes, but he's gonna say that's that's all I needed
to hear. But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But if if Mam Donnie is elected, do you not
think that he will be worse for New York City
than Cuomo? Or do you think they're both so awful?
There's no distinction at all, no matter who would win it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
There Well, the reason that we lock up twoth fast
and not criminals is the architect of no cash bail,
Andrew Cuomo, and then his apprentice is Orhamandami. Guys. My
oldest son, Anthony was nearly killed and a gang attack juveniles.
They stomped him. He's lucky to have survived because of
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the architect of raised the age, Cuomo and his supporter
on that the apprentice or a Mandami. These five juveniles,
who should have gone to criminal court and been charged
with adult crimes, went to family court and were released
on their own recognizance to their parents and then lastly
Governor Cuomo when he was in charge ten years ago
(05:38):
before he fled impeachment to the Hamptons he was the
architect of closing our prison Rikers Island and his apprentice,
Jorhan Mandami, they both have led to the crime crisis
that were in now. I see no differentiation. They are
birds of a feather, two peas in a pod. They're Democrats.
They have caused the destruction of New York State. They're
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looking to destroy New York City. And again, Andrew Cuomo
has only himself to blame for Johan Mandami being the
Democratic nominee because he didn't run a race. So I'm
the Republican. I have Republican values completely different than my adversaries.
I believe this is a strange notion in America, isn't it.
Democracy should prevail. The billionaires aren't going to choose the mayor,
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or the influences or the inside is the people, one person,
one vote. Let the people choose the next mayor. Cuomo
has already signaled that if he loses his on on Mondami,
he's fleeing to Florida. I stay, I fight for what
I know is right, improved. Don't move. If I happen
to lose his on, I will become his worst night mare.
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Twenty four seven, three six five. I fight, fight, fight, fight.
Cuomo runs, runs, runs, runs.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
All right, So now the other New Yorker here, Curtis,
wants to jump in. I wanted Clay to be able
to get out there because he's been he's been worried
about the ticket splitting issue. I just want to think
out there that I think blue face paint a La
Braveheart along with your red beret would be a good
look in these final days, because that is a fantastic movie.
And now to his point, you have won me over
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with your fight to the very end. But tell me this,
how is it that you could win? Is it that
all the polls, If you win based on what the
so called intelligentsia and the political political class, pundits, et cetera,
based on what they've been saying, it would be the
biggest upset. I don't know. I mean, certainly along the
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lines of Trump twenty sixteen, bigger than that based on
the numbers. What do you say to those people who
are telling you you're a long shot, you're a no shot,
and you're just helping the other side, right, how do
you win? What's your pathway look like?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Last time I ran against Serry Adams, and remember I
did want everybody. He would be corrupt and they would
be chaos. I was right about that. I got twenty
eight percent of the vote, So I build on the
twenty eight percent. I not only have conservative Republican votes,
there are two and a half times the number of independents,
and there are Republicans. I have that vote, and I
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have a new line, independent line protect the animals, first
time ever in electoral history. My wife was able to
get the signatures to qualify it. It's the first independent
line on the ballot. Try to find Angel Cuomo in
the maze very difficult. And it calls for no killed
shelters and put animal abuses in jail. Let me tell
you something, there are a lot of women and men
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who are one issue voters out there when it comes
to animals. Mahatma Gandhi said, it's a society that does
not take care of its animals, does not take care
of its people. And look at us here in New
York City. We don't take care of our homeless, our
emotionally disturbed, our veterans. But Cuomo supported the seven billion
dollars that Eric Adams spent on illegal aliens. People. We
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didn't even know I want to take care of our own.
It's time we bring it home and care for our homeless,
our emotionally disturbed, and most importantly, our veterans who have
been forshaken. You don't hear almost saying that, and naturally
you don't hear.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
The artist Curtis. I love the protect animals thing. I
love dogs as much as any human being I've ever met,
and other animals too, So I think that's fantastic. But
I want to ask you about this, the Mam Donnie
shape shifting situation here, or the code switching, the changing
it up on some of the stuff. For example, now
(09:27):
he's saying he would keep Jessica Tish, who I actually
worked with at the NYPD many years ago, keep her
in the commissioner role. What do you make of that?
I mean, is it just'll say anything to make people
not as scared of his communist nonsense as they should be.
What's going on, Well.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
He's built the basio on steroids. Now remember he's more
dangerous because build the basio halfway through the night would
be on the back porch your gray see mansion, smoking
his Maui wowie and Hindu cush with his grip to
wipe Charlette with Zara Mondami, he would give twenty hours
a day to destroying the city. But Deblasio, when he
was running in twenty thirteen, said I will choose Bill
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Bratton as my police commissioner. That was his insurance policy.
So he's following in the footsteps of his mentor Build
de Bozsio by saying I will keep Jessica Tish. The
question is if you should win well Jessica Tiss stay.
I don't know. I don't have conversations with her. I've
got my boots on the ground. I'm in the subways.
(10:27):
I'm dealing with regular, average day, working class people. I'll
let the elites determine that while I'm in the streets.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Curtis Leewill with us right now, running Republican nominee for
mayor of New York City. You mentioned right off the
top that you've been offered ten million dollars to drop
out by billionaires. What do those offers look like and
will you tell us who's been offering for you to
be paid to drop out.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Of the race.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, well, there were seven calls that I fielded from
people I grew up with that are not supporting me.
They're supporting which is fine, but they were calling on
his behalf for me to drop out. And the last call,
which my wife listened to, who is a attorney Nancy,
got to the point where I said no, no, a
thousand times no. And then he said, Curtis, everybody has
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a price. Ten million dollars is a lot of money
to walk away from. I said, guy, you know me.
I was born with nothing. I'll die with nothing, ashes
to ashes, dust to dust. This sounds to me unethical.
It's a bribe. He could be illegal. And from that
day forward, my wife said, look, you got to put
everybody on blast that if they're going to talk to
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you about bribing you, you're going to be wired up
like a Christmas tree, which I am now. And they've
been no call since now. The people who reached me
have family people, They have businesses in the business of politics,
which you know is the dirtiest business of all, just
asked the founder of UFC. He said the same thing,
(11:59):
the dirtiest business. I give these guys a past, they
know not what they do. But anybody moving forward, hey,
you're going to be prosecuted for obviously illegalities and for
what are corrupted practices?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Have you talked to Donald Trump? He has discussed your candidacy.
He's talked about the fact that sometimes he wishes you
would drop out because he's concerned about mom Donnie becoming
the mayor of New York City.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Have you talked to Trump? What have those conversations been like.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, I am not spoken to the president recently. For
forty years, I knew Donald Trump as a New Yorker.
We had a love hate relationship like most people had
with Donald Trump. I mean, you look at his vice president,
Jade Van's doing a great job. He called them hitler
in twenty sixteen, and now he's a vice president. So
I've been on the roller coaster with Donald Trump. Like
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most people. He's not reached out to me. He's not
talked to me. He certainly has had conversations with Andrew
Cuomo and with Eric Adams, and the President is free
to do what he wishes. I wish he wouldn't. He hasn't.
But I've always said and said publicly, mister President, you're
trying to get peace in the Middle East and Persian Gulf,
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that you're the only guy who can do that. You
gotta get peace between Russia and Ukraine. You're the only
guy who can do that. He's dealing with Asia now
and the Red Chinese menace. He's the only guy who
can deal with that comparably to those bigger issues. Do
you think weighing in on the mayoral race in New
York City is equal to those? I don't think so.
(13:30):
And by the way, Zoraan Mandami loves it, because then
he plays David to Goliath. He doesn't want to run
against Andrew Cuomoa. Curtest Lee, well, he wants to run
against Donald Trump, who happens not to be very popular
in New York City. He is around the country, he
is in other parts of New York State. The benefit
of my running and winning a mayoral election as a
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Republican is it's nineteen ninety three all over again. Rudy
Giuliani won. I am Rudy Giuliani two point zero, and
next year we set it up the way it was
in ninety four when Pataki beat the better Cuomo Mario
and we had not only competence, no corruption, no chaos.
Crime went down with Rudy and with Pataki, you elect
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me the Republican mayor and then we pull out all
the stops to elect congresswoman at least Stefonik the governor
next year Republican Kennedy, and we can return to the
days of Giuliani and Pataki and send Kathy Hokoll packing
back to Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
All right, Curtis, real quick, we only have thirty seconds
before we get into heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Here.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Where can people go? We got a big wor audience.
I want to mobilize for you. What's the site? What
do they do?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Just go to sliwa for NYC dot com. That sliwa
fo r NYC dot com.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Thanks guys, Hey, Curtis, thank you, bring home the w
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and Buck. We want to get your reactions, responds, is analysis,
short form essays, whatever you got in response to the
Curtis Leewa interview we just had there. Curtis is taking
this to the very end. He is not dropping out, obviously,
(16:14):
and I didn't really get clarification on how he can win.
But I did get clarification on he is not going
to drop out. That I can say, and also he
takes no responsibility Clay for what you asked, which was
the question about what if it is close enough that
Cuomo would have I kind of think that he thinks
Cuomo wouldn't be any better than Mamdani ultimately, and I
(16:35):
am very I'm actually sympathetic to that point of view.
I know that sounds crazy to people. Cuomo was awful.
I lived in New York when he was governor. He
was terrible, a terrible governor.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So I think my biggest takeaway is that Buck because look,
I believe the data is going to come out and
we'll talk more about this because we got a quick turn.
Let's play CC. I'll tell you what I took away
from that conversation. You guys have talked away in place.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
In Sauna from Hunsoul, Alabama calling in to defend to
Clay and his take on the New York mayor's race.
If the race were between a Democrat and a Republican only,
he would be all in on the Republicans staying in
the race. Fight fight, fight, You never know what might happen.
But if you are splitting the vote three ways, someone
has to drop out. Our mom Dommy winn so back
(17:21):
off people. Clay is right this Alabama girls got your back, Clay.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I knew that Alabama's Alabamians they would all have my back. Look,
the math is the math, and we'll talk about this
when we come back.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
My concern, and I laid it out for Curtis and
you guys heard it, is that when we look at
the final tally on Tuesday night, on Wednesday morning early,
we're going to see that actually the majority of New
York voters voted against Mom Donni. But because the anti
Mam Donnie vote is split between Sliwa and Cuomo, that
means Mam Donnie's going to be the next mayor of
(17:54):
New York City.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's my concern.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
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dive right into the interview we just had with Curtis Sliwa. So, Buck,
(19:04):
you tell me if you disagree with any of these takeaways.
First of all, the fact that he was potentially offered
ten million dollars to drop out of the race, and
I asked him directly about it is actually a huge crime,
I think candidly if that took place, So that's very
newsworthy to me.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But to me, the most.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Significant thing in terms of analyzing Sleewa's motivations Buck, is
he doesn't see any difference between Mom Donnie and Cuomo.
I think that's the essence of why he is staying
in the race, That he doesn't believe that it's going
to be measurably worse if it's Mom Donnie or if
it's Cuomo. He sees them both as bad options, and
therefore he does not feel as if one or the
(19:48):
other of them is the winner. It doesn't matter to
him now whether that's true or not, I think will
remain to be seen.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But ultimately his motivation.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
In not dropping out is that he doesn't think Mam
Donni or Cuomo it's going to make much difference at mayor.
Do you take that as the biggest sort of analysis
of why he's staying in the race, because I directly
asked him, and I think the data is going to
reflect Mam Donnie's not going to get the majority of
the vote, The anti Mam Donnie vote is going to
be split between Cuomo and Sliwa. If you really cared
(20:19):
and thought that Cuomo would be better, you would drop out.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He clearly doesn't believe that. Yeah, Look, I think what
we did on Earth here was there's a deep disdain
between Cuomo and or that's Leewa has for Cuomo. And
I would assume it goes both ways based on Cuomo's
reputation too. And I think it's fair because I came
(20:44):
to this before we talked to Salila to say the
notion that Curtis should alter anything in his trajectory because
Andrew Cuomo has a chance to be mayor. Andrew Cuomo
is held was such an awful governor that he's a
big part of why I left New York. So so
(21:06):
I kind of sit here and I go, that's what's
gonna happen here. Remember Cuomo chips everybody.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Remember no no bail, no jail, Remember all the thing,
Remember the the ventilators, and you can't You couldn't open
the gyms in New York, even after we hit the
numbers you were supposed to open.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You couldn't go walk outside. They're putting circles in the parks.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That all.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He was horrible, an absolute moron, and was and was
pushed out of office because basically people just didn't like him.
I mean, I know they say it was a me
too thing, but it was really just he's kind of
gross and creepy and weird. I mean it was I
think it was Biden because he was gonna run against Biden.
That's my theory. I think that. I mean, maybe Biden
all the cod the code read on him to push
(21:47):
him aside. But isn't that interesting if Biden had the
juice to do that, Clay and then what happened with
Biden later on. You know who's the chief strategist of
that one, Karine Jean Pierre. So anyway, that's the tough
part to this that I have. If there was a
if there was an actual, moderate, competent, moderate third option here,
(22:08):
I would have a lot more I would understand a
lot more of the pressure pressure on Curtis. I'm not
convinced that the Cuomo will be better than Mamdani. I
know that sounds insane. I am not as someone who lived,
go back to what it was like everybody in New
York under Cuomo. He is a moron. He is corrupt too,
by the way, he could not he was the worst
(22:29):
governor in America during COVID. He did the no bail,
no jail. Before COVID, he flooded the streets with the
crazies and the criminals. And he's completely unrepentant and ran
a lazy ass campaign. I mean, well so because he doesn't,
you know, use the pithy sly phrases of the socialist
Mamdanni will think he'd be that much better. Look, do
(22:50):
I think he'd be a little better? I guess, but
you know, maybe I'm much iffier on that than other people.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
So you know what you're saying, funding like, is my
argument that you just got to let New York City
make an awful choice, which New York City appears it's
going to do, and that it will be beneficial in
the rest of the nation even if New York City
has to deal with this truly awful mayoral choice.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I think that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Look, I told Curtis Slee well when he came on
the show, exactly what I think is going to happen.
He made his argument of why he's not willing to
drop out, and if Mom Donnie wins, I think it
is simultaneously awful for New York City because I do
believe that the best case scenario is that he's so
incompetent he can't enact the agenda that he hoped to enact,
(23:43):
and then at some point his far left wing base
turns on him because he gets into office and is
in not able to actually deliver on any of this.
I think that's probably a best case scenario. But for
the nation, I think Mom Donnie is the face of
the Democrat Party is a disastrous I think AOC is
(24:03):
the face of the Democrat Party is disastrous. And so
I think it will actually be very beneficial in the
House of Representatives and in Senate and governor races in
same parts of America to say look out or else
you're going to turn into New York City. And I
do think that if Mamdanni is able to put his
policies into place book.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
They're going to make things way worse. So here's also
an assumption. Again we're trying to think outside the box here,
cover everything and not just get locked into a set
of analytic beliefs and suppositions that could be completely wrong
or could be totally off. Because Clay here's a part
of all this. Oh well, if Mamdannie wins, this is
(24:46):
going to mean that there's this big lesson that America
takes from it because of how bad things will be
in New York et cetera. Et cetera. I bring you
a then little known now I know he can't run
for president, wasn't born here. But in terms of the
left an AOC and this wing of the party, Barack
Obama was the most left wing senator in the United
States Senate before he became president for eight years.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He did some dancing around some of the issues like
the gay marriage thing and others, and he had the
whole media behind and all this stuff. But I'm not
as convinced they got what forty nine percent of the
vote to go for Kamala Harris, the worst candidate that
he of us have ever seen in our life. Yes,
So this assumption that the Democrats won't go all in
(25:33):
for someone because they're two left wing, I'm not convinced
that that's as clear as many of us on the
right think it would be. And I'm not clear that
that Mamdani is going to be such a disaster that
he will sink the hopes of the progressive left for
the next election. I'm just not as convinced as everybody.
I mean, maybe harm them. I think he harms them.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I think the scary thing is basically what left wingers
are saying is we don't care about good governance, we
don't care about basic common sense. We're angry living in
New York City and we're going to buy into these
ridiculous ideas like freeze the rent and start your own
(26:16):
groceries all this.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
How is how is Mam Donnie when push comes to shove,
more left wing than Gavin Newsom?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, I really think Gavin Newsom, to my knowledge,
Gavin Newsom has not said we're going to tax white
neighborhoods higher, which Mam Donnie has said.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Uh, we are going to make every bus free, and
in doing so, we're going to make I mean, I
think I think Mam Donnie is way further left. I mean,
I don't know that Gavin Newsom has said prisons are
a problem because they just hide bad people.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
All this, they don't actually make us say if you
go back again. I'm trying to be a little provocative here,
but I'm trying to get us outside of the of
the echo chamber on the right a little bit. Clay,
what was Gavin Newsom saying in twenty twenty, that's because
we have to compare apples to apples here, Gavin's you know.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Gavin Newsom, I think is stands for nothing. I don't
think I think Mom Donnie in his head is convinced
that he is a hero and that left wing political
ideals are the only solution. I think that Gavin Newsom,
if he thought he could get elected by saying everything
that Ronald Reagan said, he would say. And so I
(27:32):
think Gavin Newsom has been more willing to tiptoe up
to the ideas that Mam Donnie is just one hundred
percent indorsed.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, but then again, look at Joe Biden, who was
supposed to be blue collar Joe riding the Chuchu. We
say this a million times. I don't know how much
more left wing you could have had in terms of
policy than what you had from the White House with
Joe Biden's advisors, with the auto pen and what they
were doing. And remember there are things they want, Hey,
ten million they let the border. Ten million people came
(28:03):
into the country, and they knew it and they wanted more.
They ended the country illegally under false pretense. How much
more left wing can you get? That was the Joe
Biden administration. What I'm trying to say is what we
create these distinctions between Mam Donnie and oh but what
about Cuomo and everything on Democrats? Really a Democrat, my friends,
they agree on like ninety five percent of this stuff
when it actually comes to pulling the lever for one
(28:25):
thing or another. Yes, but I think they tried to
avoid saying the things that Mamdanni has said directly. Let
me give you an example. Kamala Harris said.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
We need to have illegal immigrants getting trans surgery paid
for by tax and she was vice president. Yes, but
but when that came out, they tried to argue that
that wasn't true because they knew it was politically an issue.
Let me give you an example. Gavin Newsom, remember when
they did the big reparation study in California and they
(28:56):
all endorsed reparations and then Gavin Newsom, what did you do?
He just said, yeah, he just walked away from it.
He just said, yeah, we're not gonna do reports.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, that's because that's a that's a right the check moment,
and he knew that he couldn't actually write the check.
But I think Mam Donnie might come across some of
those moments too. He can't the legislature has to do
a lot of the stuff that he's saying he wants
to do.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
But Mamdannie directly said, Kevin Newsom hasn't said, Hey, we're
gonna we're going to tax white neighborhoods harder. Like he
hasn't directly said these things, but he commissioned hold on again,
hold on, he commissioned the reparation study. Like he played
into the whole game.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
But when push comes to shove, he says, we're not
going to do that, and he directly said it, like
I think Dora on Mundanni, because he can't ever run
for president, is gonna say all sorts of crazy things,
and I think he's saying them, we're playing the cuts.
I agree with you that they try to run as
more moderate than they are.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, but I think moderate Democrats are a myth. Clay
is what I'm saying. It's a myth.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It doesn't really exist to a large extent. I think
that's true. Fetterman seems to me to be somebody who
is somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
He's about to get kicked out of the party. He
is and Nook.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
This is what Andrew Cuomo said on Maria Barceromo this morning.
Now it's convenient for him to now be making the argument.
But I think he's right that there's going to be
a civil war inside of the Democrat Party. And I
think the Democrat Party is potentially going to destroy itself
by going too far. I don't have to They have
to appeal to people who still have some semblance of sanity. Now,
(30:31):
we came within two hundred and twenty five thousand votes
of Kamala Harris being able to be elected.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's scary.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And there is a committed, huge base of.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Democrat voters, and a lot of them are older, sadly,
who pick the party and aren't willing to consider principle
or policy and are going to show up and push
the button no matter what. And I think the challenge here,
this is my big thesis for a long time, is
until you have such an ass kicking that somebody in
the Democrat Party says they heard our message and there's
(31:03):
no way we can win with it. And they haven't
gotten it yet, I think they're going to continue to
double triple and quadruple down on crazy. The difference to
me between Mam Donnie and others is he says explicitly
the crazy thing. Others tiptoe up to it and try
to avoid the SoundBite of the crazyn hard time.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
So there's there's a few things here, and and again
I'm trying. I'm trying to, you know, take us outside
of what I think is the consensus on the right
on some of this stuff. But I think that the
policies that you will get from a Cuomo versus a
Mamdanni in New York, the actual difference in how they
will govern, not in what they will say and how
(31:45):
they will govern, is pretty minimal. Well, I mean that minimal.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's the argument that so Slie what has to be
making to himself to stay in the race.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, but I'm That's why I've been saying this for
a while. I really think that we've gotten way too
sold on Cuomo is not Joe Manchin. Okay, Cuomo was
a disastrous governor. Hey, there's the life community hates the
pro gun community. I mean, he's terrible. Here's the big
question on this though, This is the part that I
worry about. Let's say you're right, New York voters are
(32:19):
so committed to their political worldview that they would vote
for the extinction of their city as an elite shining
city on a hill example of American exceptionalism. They don't
connect the choices they make politically with the poor results
that they're seeing on the street. That to me is
the scariest part of all this. That people are so
(32:41):
committed to their political view that they don't take responsibility
for the consequences of those political views. And that's the
scary thing about Mom. That's been every Democrat city. That's
been every Democrat city in America for like fifty years now,
So I mean that's not slowly.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
But but why was it different with Juliani? In nineteen
ninety three the.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Murder rate got so high, so bad pee people in
you know, Guadalajara and cartel Wars were like, I can't
go vacation in New York. That place is crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So the answer is, sadly New Yorkers haven't suffered enough
based on the four choices that they've made. Unfortunately, yes,
that that we do end up on that square here
in this situation.
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All right, we got a lot of email. Oh sorry,
we got a lot of emails coming in. Do you
want to get some of these vip emails because fire away,
fire away. All right, we'll do this one vip from
Jill Buck is right. Cuomo is the same as Mumdanni.
The only difference is the free bus issue. Cuomo defunded,
the police will fight Trump on immigration, invented, no bail,
(35:17):
wants green energy supported Alvin Bragg. He's the same. Let
Mamdanni win. At least the truth will come out about socialism.
I mean, yeah, this goes to my Cuomo is marginally
better than Mamdani at best. At best, I don't know
you disagree play.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I mean, no, no, no, Look, I think that the
practical impact is going to be negligible. But I do
think Mam Donnie as a Hey, you know, the worst
thing about nine to eleven is the fact that my
aunt was uncomfortable getting on the subway is pretty culturally
significantly different. VIP email from Karen. Can you guys talk
about something other than the New York City election. It's
(35:54):
been days. Folks who live in other states don't give
a crap. If the idiots of New York vote for
a communists. We will have the uh, We'll have a representative.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Donald's on from Florida here shortly, who's running for governor,
and we will talk about perhaps Trump's visit to the
Far East. But that's kind of a big story, guys.
I see New York City Mayor's by far the biggest
story going on right now.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You can say New Jersey governor, you can say Virginia governor,
which we both have covered significantly both of those races.
But I think in terms of the national impact, there
are three races that are going on right now. Who
gets elected New York City mayor, I think is far
bigger than who gets elected New Jersey or Virginia governor
because of the impact of the mayor.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Can we can we give? Can we give all due
credit to UH, to Katie Miller, Steven Miller's wife for
her for her slap down on the on the TV
screen Clay coming up here. I want everyone to hear
the SoundBite. It's fabulous. Yes, oh, I love it. We'll
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