February 10, 2025 • 36 mins
The left is melting down over Trump ideas that they themselves agreed with prior to Trump. The "my team/your team" mentality prevents common sense and is driven by ego and pride. The legality of the 14th Amendment. DOGE is not a coup. Too many people are sucking on the government teat, but it won't be fixed in one election cycle. Everyone needs to get on board, including the resistance judges.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we are
rolling through the Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
And there are a lot of stories to react to.
Talked about the super Bowl, which I'm sure over one
hundred million of you watched. Maybe we can have some fun, Buck.
(00:23):
We agree that Kendrick Lamar was awful. I think he
was the worst super Bowl halftime performer I've ever seen.
But do you have a couple of artists that you
would like to see? Maybe we can have some fun
a little bit later. People can think about it. You
can let us know who you think would be good,
who hasn't already performed. In other words, new people potentially
(00:44):
perform at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I would rather had them just roll out the rolling Stones.
I don't care if any oxygen tanks and you know,
walkers to get out there. Anything other than what we
saw last night would have been really good. It was bad,
we'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But you really kind of hit on something that I
think is so significant, and it is Trump is getting
major opposition for things that are not particularly partisan in nature.
In other words, if I said to you, Hey, the
federal government.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Has a lot of fraud in it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Don't you think we should uncover that fraud and use
taxpayer dollars more efficiently and effectively. It's probably an eighty
ninety percent agreement out there whether you're a Democrat, Republican,
or an independent. Yet, because Trump has baited his critics
into a reflexive anti Trump perspective, there are now a
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lot of people who've said that they we should do
everything that Trump has been doing, that we should be
doing that, And now they're saying, oh, no, no, no, this
is a bad idea, including Mark Cuban, who was a
prominent Kamala supporter whose brain is broken. But in twenty seventeen,
(02:07):
Mark Cuban said something that I think a lot of
you would agree with. That is there's about thirty percent
of the federal government that's unnecessary. Now he says, it's
scary what Elon and Trump are doing. But just a
few years ago, this is what billionaire Kamala supporter former
owner of the Dallas Mavericks, Mark Cuban had to say.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Listen, as a libertarian, I think we can reduce employment
in government by at least the third, reduce the overhead
and administration as that much or more so that we
can offer more two services for our citizens. And so
when it comes down to it, where I tend to
disagree with everybody, and this is a libertarian, I mean,
(02:52):
I'm happy to push down the size of government, and
I'm happy to make work on making government more efficient
because then more money can pass through and help to
people who need it, and that's what needs to change.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Okay, So I agree with Mark Cuban circa twenty seventeen
buck analogy for you, something that is very popular I
think in general. Let's say that your neighborhood had an
issue with people who were drinking heavily at a local
bar and then driving through your neighborhood at high rates
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of speed, putting kids other people in the neighborhood in danger.
If the police set up a dui checkpoint to try
to catch people who were drinking too heavily at that
bar and then speeding through a neighborhood, and you were
super opposed to the dui checkpoint, it would be a
sign that you might be one of the guys who's
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drinking heavily in the bar and you're afraid of getting caught.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
How is that not the case here?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
If you are opposed to the rooting out of fraud,
this seems like a very Okham's Razor like example.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
For me, it's.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Probably a sign that you yourself are profiting and or engaged
in the fraud. And this feels like such a huge
political win for Trump that Democrats have once again reflexively
opposed common sense.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think there's also the just the tribal political my team,
your team. And also I can't admit that you're right
even though it's clear you're right, because that would mean
that I'm wrong. And these are very basic human psychological
stumbling blocks that And this is the same thing with masking.
It was the same thing with COVID lockdowns. It was
the same thing with a whole well, pretty much the
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entirety of the Democrat program for the last decade, you know,
the trans stuff, everything, it's you're wrong, but you don't
want todmit you're wrong. And I think that Mark Cuban,
to the degree that anybody should really care, I mean,
I think Mark Cuban won the lottery and then bought
a sports team, and ever since then we've had to
pretend like he's really smart. I know he didn't actually
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win the lottery, but selling a company that effectively crashed
into almost nothing very soon after he sold it during
the dot com boom. Luck is a very big thing
in life, and I think he got very financially lucky.
And then anybody who bought a decent NBA team and
put money into it because they had tons of money,
I think has done very well as well. So I
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don't really, I don't know. I'm not surprised that he's
saying things that are as contradictory and kind of just
wimpy now as he is, because he's been doing this
for a while now. I can't understand what the motivation is.
But I've just never found him to be particularly impressive
or insightful. I mean, that guy Scott Galloway, who's supposed
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to be speak he's kind of the closest thing the
Democrats have to a left wing Jordan Peterson, I think
at some level like he speaks about the challenges of men,
and he speaks about, you know, how being a guy
these days is tough. And he has this phrase like
porscha polygamy, because if you're a super successful guy, you
can have twenty girlfriends. But for a lot of guys
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who are just doing what they're supposed to do, they
have a tough time finding a mate. You know all this,
But he's also a loon and an anti Trump guy
and won't speak honestly about the trans issues and all
these other things that are the reason that Democrats lose
so badly with men and are losing so badly with men.
So these are people that you know, the clay. They
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have social content, they have social ties that they want
to continue to have. So they're not going to speak
honestly and truthfully about what they're finding or what is
so obvious I think. And you know, Mark Cuban's just
kind of a billionaire whimp. I don't know, there's plenty
of running around. He's not quite as bad as George Soros,
so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You get the idea though, that it would be one thing,
like I understand why people are opposed to Trump on
birthright citizenship, like I agree with him, but it is
a contentious issue that the Supreme Court is going to
have to examine. And so the idea that Democrats would say,
oh no, no, no, no, we have a different interpretation
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of what the fourteenth Amendment actually means. What does it
mean to be under jurisdiction of legal jurisdiction of this
there's also just an argument that when the government has
been doing something for a long time, it creates an
expectation that what the government doing must be right. And
so I'm not I don't think that that's a good
legal argument, but I'm just saying, this is the human nature,
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this is how it's wine, that why the marketplace would
actually lead to conflict on that. But what it seems
to me Trump has done is he has basically co
opted common sense that is not particularly partisan. I mean,
men pretending to be women in women's sports is a
great example of this. But I would argue trying to
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find fraud that's being led buck by a Biden voter
in twenty twenty like they're trying to turn Elon Musk into,
you know, some right wing zealot. He legitimately voted against
Trump twice prior to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
This is why I've talked about it before in the
religious context, but I mean within Islam, there's apostasy. Is
is considered a very serious a very serious sin, very
serious crime. There should be punished. Actually depends on who
you talk to, but the Jihatis think it should be
punished with death. And one of the reasons that group
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identity has to be so incredibly, you know, actively policing
apostates is that if you look at this, who is
a bigger danger to Democrats right now? Somebody like me
who has been making I mean put aside like the
Elon super famous with hundreds of billions of dollars, but
just anybody who has been making these arguments for twenty years. Yeah, sure,
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being right is important, but what really freaks them out?
And having been right a long time I think deserves
the respect of those who have been recently red pilled.
That's another conversation. It's like, why were you guys right
the whole time? I just figured this out. But if
you're looking at power and politics, people who have switched
over who used to be on team Democrat. That's got
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to make them really because they can point at somebody
like me and a lot of you who are listening
and say, oh, he's always been a right wing zealo.
He's always been a right wing extremist. But when you
look at somebody like an Elon Musk. To Clay's point,
this is a guy. How crazy can he really be
when he was voting in the Democrat sense? How you know,
right wing? Insane can he be when he was a
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Democrat until about five minutes ago? And then he just
finally came to the conclusion based on new data, the
Democrats are insane and that their ideas don't work, and
their ideas make the country poorer and more miserable and
more dangerous and less free. Well that's what really worries them,
because you know, yeah, we're in this country that feels
very fifty to fifty when the elections actually happened. You know,
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if we get to a sixty to forty country, that
all of a sudden, the Democrats have a whole new
future to consider, as in the political wilderness, and so
they the people switching over. I think our particular dro
a particular hatred from Democrats because of that. I judges
the others.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I just I was joking, like my wife was talking
about this the other day, just like one of the
funniest things is the idea that Elon Musk is gonna
like steal your information. Elon Musk, who's worth two hundred
and fifty t a billion dollars, is going to be
doing investigations into your forty six thousand dollars a year, uh,
you know, tax return to somehow, somehow profited by the way,
(10:28):
if he wanted to give you advice, I think it
would probably be great advice. But this idea that somehow
your information is in danger from Elon Musk is one
of the most ridiculous things out there. I'd rather Elon
have my information personally than the government.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, you look at like Google has how many
of you you know, and be honest with yourself, did
you have? Google has like your passwords stored and has
your bank info and has everything? And there's others. Oh
my gosh, it's so scared. What's Google? Google's a trillion
dollar company. Like they don't need to They're not going
to start siphoning money out of like the ten thousand
dollars that somebody has saved up, right, Like this is
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this is a crazy idea. But and I know this
is why you're bringing up I totally agree with your
laws conversation because I've been having the same conversation with
my brothers and friends of mine down here in Florida.
They're just going to try to scare people about this.
They'll do anything. We haven't talked about the judges yet,
which we need to talk about. Yeah, and Clay, I
want to hear your take on it, because this is
gonna this is gonna cause a constitutional crisis when judges
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think when one random federal judge thinks that he or
she can all of a sudden override the president on
issues of like staffing and functioning the executive branch based
on what then based on they don't like it. We
should talk about it. But them saying that Elon Musk
can't be trusted with your with your treasure, with like
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your treasury payment information. As an individual, we trust Elon.
I mean if Elon Musk decided to screw over America
and give the most sensitive aerospace and defense technology in
the world to China, like we would be in a
world of hurt because he could do it. I mean,
it would be treason. But the point is, or you know,
it would be betraying his country. But I'm just saying,
this is a guy that we actually de facto trust
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with really sensitive stuff, not how much money some NGO
with a bunch of pink haired weirdos who don't actually
do anything we're getting from their friends in the DC swamp.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I actually think Elon deserves incredible commendation for caring so much.
I mean, he's basically just giving of his time and
genius to the American taxpayer to try to make the
government more efficient. I don't really know that he benefits,
like on an individual level, anywhere near the amount of
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time he's spending on this.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
This is really simple, Clay, right, you can just break
it down this way. Is fraud in government spending bad?
We get people to answer that question. Is there anyone
that you can think of who realistically has a better
skill set and ability to find what the heck is
going on here than Elon Musk running multiple trillions of
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dollars worth of companies and corporations that he has built.
The answer, I think is also again very clear. So
everything else is noise. It's either fraud is bad and
Elon is the best man for the job, or you're
just you're just spewing nonsense. Because the Democrats are sick
of being made to look like fools and liars, which
is what they really are. I mean, this is why
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you have Chuck Schumer dancing around and others looking like
such jokes. And this is why the analogy of influencing
the law and trying to be involved in that and
you being concerned about the law being enforced is probably
a sign that you are engaged in behavior you shouldn't be.
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got a call here.
Let's take some more calls.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Eight hundred two A two two eight A two Diane
in Upstate, New York. What's going on? Diane?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Hello, fellas, listen. I have a couple of notations here,
and I also have two relevant questions for you fellas
to explore. The first thing is about all of this
corrupt money flying out of our hands. Let us not
be so naive as to think, oh, we're going to
win the people over. No, no, okay, it is up
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to their governments to take care of their people and
all their little niche nonsense. Okay, let us not forget
that there's lots of kickbacks that go to politicians, and
we see that especially during campaign season. What we need
to know is who is okaying all of these funds
flying out the window. And again let's not forget that
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the Whinsky doesn't even know where half the money is.
I want invoices, I want to see everything. What the
American people go through around tax time is unbelievable. But
we have to go through now the cartels that have
been bringing everything across the border. We also need to
look at those politicians and those who say, oh the
border is closed, Oh it's safe, really okay, We need
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to examine their financials and we are talking about offshore
banking accounts, etc. However, cash and gold mister Menndez of
New Jersey, he knows how to get it dropped off
on his front porch. Now here is a question, one
of the questions, who owns our debt? My understanding over
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the years is China d Ming Dingden. All they have
to do is come a knocking to collect. Oh you
can't pay, okay, we'll take your resources. All the oil
that Biden stopped drilling. Do you think that he got
paid for nothing? China has got big eyeballs when it
comes to our resources. My problem with mister Borgum, who
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is now Secretary of the Interior. He allowed China to
waltz into North Dakota and surround the military base. He
needs to clean up the slops by taking that land
back by eminent domain. Kick them out. They not only
lose their money, but we get them out of us.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Thank you for the call. We're about to come up
on the break here. What I would say in general
is China owns a lot of our debt. Lots of
foreign countries own a lot of our debt. One of
the ways that we are decreasing America's overall global power
is by becoming so indebted and allowing our chief adversaries
to control in any way our ability. The fact that
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we're paying interest to China is not a good thing
for the United States. I'm surprised we don't talk about
it more.
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I do think we need to continue to hammer.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
That's exactly how radical the idea of trying to budget
in a reasonable, rational way. The crazy fraud that has
been uncovered inside of the United States government. The idea
that this is in some way political in nature is
I think democrats telling on themselves, but also understand what
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the resistance is. Even you mentioned him a little bit earlier,
Scott Galloway is a fairly intelligent guy. He says that
the members of DOGE, that is, Department of Government Efficiency,
Elon's minions. I've heard them called the musketeers whatever you
want to call them inside of the government, that they
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should be arrested because this is a coup. Listen to
this take and understand how crazy it really is.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I want to know who their names are. I'm want
to see democratic governor saying I'm going to do everything
i can in my power to use the full faith
in to the letter of the law to put you
folks in prison. I think what you're doing is trespassing.
I think this is a coup. And be clear, just
because the new insurrectionist who was elected, I don't believe
this is legal, and I'm going to hold the people
accountable who are trespassing and part of a coup accountable
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to just sit back and say this is horrible and
this is unlawful. We need to go gangster here and say, look,
we are not negotiating around this stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
This is illegal, this is a coup.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
This is the unlawful seizure of power.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Why Buck, I just this guy's a reasonably intelligent guy,
very smart even I've read several of his books. How
has a coup ever been used to reduce I said
this last week, and it's like became a talking point.
Dictatorships typically don't take away the size of government or
reduce the power of government. If it's a coup to
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make government more efficient, then I think we should all
be supporting a coup and the idea that these I
should be arrested for making virtually no money and just
trying to uncover fraud. This is important. We have whistleblowers, Buck,
who basically the entire basis of the whistleblower statute.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is to reward people who come forward.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And share instances of fraud with payment for all of
the money they save. If anything, I would say this
is somewhat analogous to a whistleblower type comment because we
have all these brilliant guys, they're almost all young men,
going through government expenditures and uncovering aspects of our tax
dollars that are being wasted. These gys are heroes, far
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from being worthy of arrest, which is crazy, But I
do think you guys need to hear the arguments that
are coming.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Out, Clay. It is long understood that the president this
is kind of a big deal to be the president.
I know that the Libs are still very sad because
the president is once again Donald Trump. But the president's
a pretty big job with a lot of powers. And
maybe they've forgotten that because they had a dementia patient
posing as a president for four years while a bunch
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of you know, Beta mail cry babies were pulling the
strings on him like a puppet in the White House.
But you can actually have somebody with ideas and decision
making and real authority doing stuff, and that is what
Donald Trump is doing. And I would just note that
we have this this now kind of recent media tradition
of referring to certain people as czars. Right, you refer to, oh,
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I don't know, there was that guy who was the
Obama car czar when they were doing the whole GM
bailout thing. Right. And the president is allowed to appoint
special employees who are given presidential authority to work on
tasks that are within the constitutional purview of the president.
So for somebody who is at least ostensibly to your
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point intelligent and NYU professor, that actually doesn't mean you're intelligent,
but whatever. To say that these guys should be arrested
for trespassing, that's a very bad idea. And any body
who would do such a thing would be impeding federal authority,
which as we know, Democrats have a very clear history
of you're impeding a federal proceeding, you should go to
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prison for like five years, right, I mean, so, I'm
sorry that they don't like the reality. But the reality
is the president can do what he is doing with
regard to the appointment of Elon Musk and others as
special advisory employees or whatever you want to call them.
This has been going on for many many administrations. They
had no problem with it before. The real problem they
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have is Trump is doing something that they should have
done if they were serious about getting fraud out of
the government. The bigger problem is the fraud mostly goes
to their friends and buddies, and we all know that
now and we're finding out more and more of that.
And that is the part of it, the grift, the graft.
That's the part of it that I think is so
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upsetting to the Democrat establishment because what we're seeing is
they had created a system in DC where by the
election was just kind of a temporary whatever. If a
Republican wins, there's a permanent government that gets to spend
the money it wants, do what it wants, and stop
anyone from reforming it. Trump has come in this time
and said that's actually not the way this is supposed
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to go, and it's not the way it will go
now that I have my say, and they can cry
about it, but the Libs are wrong. The Constitution gives
him this authority.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Also the other aspect here, and we haven't talked about
it very much, but I do think it's significant. We
told you this would happen. Federal district court judges are
going to do everything they can to keep Trump from
being able to enact his policies. This judge's ruling that
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is trying to stop some of what Doge is doing.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's four pages, it has almost no legal sounding. In fact,
it is one federal judge. And again I will give
credit where there is massive amounts of legal uncertainty. We
told you again using birthright citizenship, this is going to
have to go through the entire court system until this
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gets to the Supreme Court, we won't know what the
law on the fourteenth Amendment is. We do know that
the president has the right to choose the people who
work inside of the executive branch. Now, if you want
to argue, hey, these people can't be fired, and you
want to get into a labor and employment dispute, that
is a more interesting argument. But the idea that one
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federal district court judge can undo the entire powers of
the United States President is actually pretty staggering in.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
A case like this New York judge Paul Engelmeyer. Now
we're talking about the Mike Senator Mike Lee has called
it a judicial coup, and that is what it feels
like right now. You have random federal judges. And this
should also be hat tip my friend Sean Davis reporting
this out. The Supreme Court is a coequal branch of government.
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The federal the federal judges, those are creations of Congress.
That's a whole other thing. Okay, So Congress is like, yeah,
we need all these federal judges to uh to interpret
federal law as part of that enforcement and as part
of that component of the government. But anyway, the judge
Engelmeyer has forbidden even the Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessen, from
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accessing Department of Treasury data. I just want everyone to
let that just simmer for a second. There a federal
judge sitting in New York, a partisan hack, has said
the Treasury secretary does not have full access to Treasury
Department data. Now, I can just put this in a
different context. Imagine if a federal judge said the CIA
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director does not have full access to everything within the CIA. Ever,
would realize, well, that's insane, right. What's maybe even more
insane that the Treasury director does not have a Treasury
secretary does not have access to this. These are the
kinds of arguments. This is the petty, childish no, you
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can't do the things the constitution says you can do
because we don't like it, and why don't they like it? Clay,
bring us back to this Elon share that HHS had
canceled sixty two contracts worth one hundred and eighty two
million dollars. Clay, all of that was for this is
what doos's doing administrative expenses. I can tell you this
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the one hundred and eighty million dollars that was being
distributed from HHS for admin costs. Those are going to
Democrat voters, Democrat donors, Democrat power overwhelmingly, probably ninety percent
plus of it, maybe one hundred percent of it.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
This is why they're ticked off. I think that's one
hundred percent true. And this is where the real opposition
to Trump is coming. It's not from a Democrat because
there is no eloquent voice to oppose much of what
he's doing. It's going to come from the courts. And
so understand the reason why Trump has to move so
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fast is because there's going to be massive interruptions from
the courts and they're going to hold everything up. We
need to get Ron Johnson on later this week to
talk about the larger budget battles that are going on.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I was with.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The Speaker of the House, who we can get on
again soon, Mike Johnson on Sunday on the Super Bowl
field and he was talking with Shannon Breem about what
the overall timeline is going to be to get all
these deals done. But a big part of this, understand
is how far into the future are we setting what
the tax rates are going to be and how do
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you manage to balance all this off setting cost. And again,
I just I would ask you, and I know there's
tons of you out there listening to us right now,
how has it become political to want to eliminate fraud
from the United States government? I will say, did you
see the interview Margaret Brennan did with the anonymous federal worker, Buck,
(29:06):
government employee who was whining about how how suddenly they
worried about their job security. I'm sorry everyone in America
who doesn't have the luxury of having a government job
lives with the constant fear that you might lose your job.
I have no sympathy for some sniveling, overpaid government employee
(29:32):
who was trying to oppose Trump's agenda suddenly having to think,
oh maybe I won't keep my job. And Buck, if
they if we thought they didn't have good jobs, they
offered to pay them through September and let them find
new jobs, and almost no one took the opportunity to
go find a new job.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I bet this is what I've explained. You know, this
one kind of viral because I was because again I
was in the federal government, and one of the big
incentives for federal employment for people is the forever job,
and if you're risk averse, you have a forever. I
had people in the CIA, I will tell you this,
and the CIA, at least then there were some badasses,
legitimately badasses running around me. Sean Ryan, I mean, you know,
(30:16):
you look at some of these guys who've come forward now,
I mean, you know, Cee. I had some pretty awesome
people working there. You know, Sean does a great podcast.
I'm sure a lot of you've seen any he talks
about this stuff. CIA hads some badasses. It's a pretty
lean and mean part of the federal government. But when
I told them that I was considering a couple of
my sin of advisors and senior people that I was
going to leave and actually do media, they were like,
(30:37):
that's insane. Like you're making you're making six figures. It's cool,
and you're never gonna have to worry about a paycheck
for the rest of your life. Like, why would you
ever leave that? Right? And that was the mentality, because
in media, you get fired and you don't get renewed,
and companies shut down and things are scary, and like,
that's all true, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
True of almost everybody in the private sector. So again,
I bet a third of you that are listening to
us today, if you got told hey, i'll pay you
through September, but you have to go find a new job.
I bet a third of you would say, yeah, that's
a pretty good deal. I'll take that offer. What is
it like twenty thousand of the two million some such
(31:17):
have been when I.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Was right, I said this before it happened. I said
you're going to get less than one percent. The administration
was saying five to ten percent. Because the administration has
a lot of private sector people working in it who
see this in that lens. I know about the forever
job mentality and the forever it's very hard to get people.
It's like an addiction. I have healthcare, and I can
pay my bills forever. I never have to think about
it again. You can't. You can't beat that.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know, it's almost impossible to get fired, even for wrongdoings.
You have a lot of protections. Again, I don't have
any sympathy because we're paying for all those people. But
I do, and I look, if there's two million federal employees,
a million of you are probably doing great work. That
means a million of you are just sucking on the
government teep and taking advantage of a cushy job that
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you can't find in the real world.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And one of the judges, I think it was the
one and I got trying to keep up with all
these hashtag resistance judges with the one in Massachusetts and
Boston who said that you can't uh, well, then know
there's a couple of these things. Judge Carl Nichols has
a temporary restraining order saying you can't put us AID
employees on administrative leave and as the president, you can't
(32:27):
tell them to come home from overseas. Another judge has
said that you're not allowed to offer the buyout to
federal employees. These judges think they run the country. Yes,
this is insane. We should, we should, we should get
into more of this because this is going to be
a huge This is their only hope in their minds
to stop Trump. They just have judges make up stuff
as they Judges do crazy things that you know, they're
(32:47):
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Speaker 1 (34:23):
You're rolling through the program, Buck, you were just kind
of laying out the judges and we got a lot
of questions coming in about judges.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
We are going to see so much of this. The
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Is a question I just jumped into mentions a lot
of people saying, Okay, what do you do? You have
to appeal a federal district court judge decision on some level,
typically to a circuit court level, and it takes a
long time for the circuit court often to rule understand
what's going on here. This is just a delayed because
(35:01):
I know it sounds crazy, but they know that they
only have four years of Trump. And this is why, Buck,
I think it's so important for everybody out there. As
much good as you may believe Trump is doing, and
we think he's doing a lot No president in four
years can fix much of what's wrong with our government.
We've got to stack multiple administrations together in order to
(35:23):
really fix the cultural rot that exists right now, and
also put more judges in who are more likely to
be constitutionalists and understand presidential power at its most basic level.
So that's an answer in a roundabout fashion that a
lot of people are asking about these judges.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yes, and I think that this is a return to
I've been saying that the hashtag resistance judges, because that's
what they were calling them initially in Trump's first term.
The whole plan was just have the judges, and a
lot of it was coming out of the Ninth Circuit,
you know, which includes California. Have these federal judges just
slow down, slow down Trump, because the Democrats otherwise they've
(36:04):
got nothing right now, They've got no they've got ineffective countermessaging.
They don't have the levers of government to stop this.
All they have are judges. It's really almost the equivalent
clay of filing frivolous lawsuits to try to bury somebody
in paperwork when they're actually right and you're wrong. You know,
this is what they're doing. Except it's judges. It's not
(36:26):
some sketchy plaintiff's attorney or something. So it's gonna be
a fight. We'll see. But the fact that you have
judges stepping in to try to slow down Trump and
that's the best they got is also a reminder that
the winning has been amazing lately and the Democrats are
on their heels, which is good for everybody.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we are
rolling through the Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
And there are a lot of stories to react to.
Talked about the super Bowl, which I'm sure over one
hundred million of you watched. Maybe we can have some fun, Buck.
(00:23):
We agree that Kendrick Lamar was awful. I think he
was the worst super Bowl halftime performer I've ever seen.
But do you have a couple of artists that you
would like to see? Maybe we can have some fun
a little bit later. People can think about it. You
can let us know who you think would be good,
who hasn't already performed. In other words, new people potentially
(00:44):
perform at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I would rather had them just roll out the rolling Stones.
I don't care if any oxygen tanks and you know,
walkers to get out there. Anything other than what we
saw last night would have been really good. It was bad,
we'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But you really kind of hit on something that I
think is so significant, and it is Trump is getting
major opposition for things that are not particularly partisan in nature.
In other words, if I said to you, Hey, the
federal government.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Has a lot of fraud in it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Don't you think we should uncover that fraud and use
taxpayer dollars more efficiently and effectively. It's probably an eighty
ninety percent agreement out there whether you're a Democrat, Republican,
or an independent. Yet, because Trump has baited his critics
into a reflexive anti Trump perspective, there are now a
(01:46):
lot of people who've said that they we should do
everything that Trump has been doing, that we should be
doing that, And now they're saying, oh, no, no, no, this
is a bad idea, including Mark Cuban, who was a
prominent Kamala supporter whose brain is broken. But in twenty seventeen,
(02:07):
Mark Cuban said something that I think a lot of
you would agree with. That is there's about thirty percent
of the federal government that's unnecessary. Now he says, it's
scary what Elon and Trump are doing. But just a
few years ago, this is what billionaire Kamala supporter former
owner of the Dallas Mavericks, Mark Cuban had to say.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Listen, as a libertarian, I think we can reduce employment
in government by at least the third, reduce the overhead
and administration as that much or more so that we
can offer more two services for our citizens. And so
when it comes down to it, where I tend to
disagree with everybody, and this is a libertarian, I mean,
(02:52):
I'm happy to push down the size of government, and
I'm happy to make work on making government more efficient
because then more money can pass through and help to
people who need it, and that's what needs to change.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Okay, So I agree with Mark Cuban circa twenty seventeen
buck analogy for you, something that is very popular I
think in general. Let's say that your neighborhood had an
issue with people who were drinking heavily at a local
bar and then driving through your neighborhood at high rates
(03:24):
of speed, putting kids other people in the neighborhood in danger.
If the police set up a dui checkpoint to try
to catch people who were drinking too heavily at that
bar and then speeding through a neighborhood, and you were
super opposed to the dui checkpoint, it would be a
sign that you might be one of the guys who's
(03:45):
drinking heavily in the bar and you're afraid of getting caught.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
How is that not the case here?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
If you are opposed to the rooting out of fraud,
this seems like a very Okham's Razor like example.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
For me, it's.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Probably a sign that you yourself are profiting and or engaged
in the fraud. And this feels like such a huge
political win for Trump that Democrats have once again reflexively
opposed common sense.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think there's also the just the tribal political my team,
your team. And also I can't admit that you're right
even though it's clear you're right, because that would mean
that I'm wrong. And these are very basic human psychological
stumbling blocks that And this is the same thing with masking.
It was the same thing with COVID lockdowns. It was
the same thing with a whole well, pretty much the
(04:36):
entirety of the Democrat program for the last decade, you know,
the trans stuff, everything, it's you're wrong, but you don't
want todmit you're wrong. And I think that Mark Cuban,
to the degree that anybody should really care, I mean,
I think Mark Cuban won the lottery and then bought
a sports team, and ever since then we've had to
pretend like he's really smart. I know he didn't actually
(04:57):
win the lottery, but selling a company that effectively crashed
into almost nothing very soon after he sold it during
the dot com boom. Luck is a very big thing
in life, and I think he got very financially lucky.
And then anybody who bought a decent NBA team and
put money into it because they had tons of money,
I think has done very well as well. So I
(05:18):
don't really, I don't know. I'm not surprised that he's
saying things that are as contradictory and kind of just
wimpy now as he is, because he's been doing this
for a while now. I can't understand what the motivation is.
But I've just never found him to be particularly impressive
or insightful. I mean, that guy Scott Galloway, who's supposed
(05:39):
to be speak he's kind of the closest thing the
Democrats have to a left wing Jordan Peterson, I think
at some level like he speaks about the challenges of men,
and he speaks about, you know, how being a guy
these days is tough. And he has this phrase like
porscha polygamy, because if you're a super successful guy, you
can have twenty girlfriends. But for a lot of guys
(05:59):
who are just doing what they're supposed to do, they
have a tough time finding a mate. You know all this,
But he's also a loon and an anti Trump guy
and won't speak honestly about the trans issues and all
these other things that are the reason that Democrats lose
so badly with men and are losing so badly with men.
So these are people that you know, the clay. They
(06:20):
have social content, they have social ties that they want
to continue to have. So they're not going to speak
honestly and truthfully about what they're finding or what is
so obvious I think. And you know, Mark Cuban's just
kind of a billionaire whimp. I don't know, there's plenty
of running around. He's not quite as bad as George Soros,
so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You get the idea though, that it would be one thing,
like I understand why people are opposed to Trump on
birthright citizenship, like I agree with him, but it is
a contentious issue that the Supreme Court is going to
have to examine. And so the idea that Democrats would say,
oh no, no, no, no, we have a different interpretation
(07:01):
of what the fourteenth Amendment actually means. What does it
mean to be under jurisdiction of legal jurisdiction of this
there's also just an argument that when the government has
been doing something for a long time, it creates an
expectation that what the government doing must be right. And
so I'm not I don't think that that's a good
legal argument, but I'm just saying, this is the human nature,
(07:21):
this is how it's wine, that why the marketplace would
actually lead to conflict on that. But what it seems
to me Trump has done is he has basically co
opted common sense that is not particularly partisan. I mean,
men pretending to be women in women's sports is a
great example of this. But I would argue trying to
(07:43):
find fraud that's being led buck by a Biden voter
in twenty twenty like they're trying to turn Elon Musk into,
you know, some right wing zealot. He legitimately voted against
Trump twice prior to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
This is why I've talked about it before in the
religious context, but I mean within Islam, there's apostasy. Is
is considered a very serious a very serious sin, very
serious crime. There should be punished. Actually depends on who
you talk to, but the Jihatis think it should be
punished with death. And one of the reasons that group
(08:20):
identity has to be so incredibly, you know, actively policing
apostates is that if you look at this, who is
a bigger danger to Democrats right now? Somebody like me
who has been making I mean put aside like the
Elon super famous with hundreds of billions of dollars, but
just anybody who has been making these arguments for twenty years. Yeah, sure,
(08:44):
being right is important, but what really freaks them out?
And having been right a long time I think deserves
the respect of those who have been recently red pilled.
That's another conversation. It's like, why were you guys right
the whole time? I just figured this out. But if
you're looking at power and politics, people who have switched
over who used to be on team Democrat. That's got
(09:05):
to make them really because they can point at somebody
like me and a lot of you who are listening
and say, oh, he's always been a right wing zealo.
He's always been a right wing extremist. But when you
look at somebody like an Elon Musk. To Clay's point,
this is a guy. How crazy can he really be
when he was voting in the Democrat sense? How you know,
right wing? Insane can he be when he was a
(09:26):
Democrat until about five minutes ago? And then he just
finally came to the conclusion based on new data, the
Democrats are insane and that their ideas don't work, and
their ideas make the country poorer and more miserable and
more dangerous and less free. Well that's what really worries them,
because you know, yeah, we're in this country that feels
very fifty to fifty when the elections actually happened. You know,
(09:47):
if we get to a sixty to forty country, that
all of a sudden, the Democrats have a whole new
future to consider, as in the political wilderness, and so
they the people switching over. I think our particular dro
a particular hatred from Democrats because of that. I judges
the others.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I just I was joking, like my wife was talking
about this the other day, just like one of the
funniest things is the idea that Elon Musk is gonna
like steal your information. Elon Musk, who's worth two hundred
and fifty t a billion dollars, is going to be
doing investigations into your forty six thousand dollars a year, uh,
you know, tax return to somehow, somehow profited by the way,
(10:28):
if he wanted to give you advice, I think it
would probably be great advice. But this idea that somehow
your information is in danger from Elon Musk is one
of the most ridiculous things out there. I'd rather Elon
have my information personally than the government.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, you look at like Google has how many
of you you know, and be honest with yourself, did
you have? Google has like your passwords stored and has
your bank info and has everything? And there's others. Oh
my gosh, it's so scared. What's Google? Google's a trillion
dollar company. Like they don't need to They're not going
to start siphoning money out of like the ten thousand
dollars that somebody has saved up, right, Like this is
(11:04):
this is a crazy idea. But and I know this
is why you're bringing up I totally agree with your
laws conversation because I've been having the same conversation with
my brothers and friends of mine down here in Florida.
They're just going to try to scare people about this.
They'll do anything. We haven't talked about the judges yet,
which we need to talk about. Yeah, and Clay, I
want to hear your take on it, because this is
gonna this is gonna cause a constitutional crisis when judges
(11:25):
think when one random federal judge thinks that he or
she can all of a sudden override the president on
issues of like staffing and functioning the executive branch based
on what then based on they don't like it. We
should talk about it. But them saying that Elon Musk
can't be trusted with your with your treasure, with like
(11:46):
your treasury payment information. As an individual, we trust Elon.
I mean if Elon Musk decided to screw over America
and give the most sensitive aerospace and defense technology in
the world to China, like we would be in a
world of hurt because he could do it. I mean,
it would be treason. But the point is, or you know,
it would be betraying his country. But I'm just saying,
this is a guy that we actually de facto trust
(12:08):
with really sensitive stuff, not how much money some NGO
with a bunch of pink haired weirdos who don't actually
do anything we're getting from their friends in the DC swamp.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I actually think Elon deserves incredible commendation for caring so much.
I mean, he's basically just giving of his time and
genius to the American taxpayer to try to make the
government more efficient. I don't really know that he benefits,
like on an individual level, anywhere near the amount of
(12:42):
time he's spending on this.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
This is really simple, Clay, right, you can just break
it down this way. Is fraud in government spending bad?
We get people to answer that question. Is there anyone
that you can think of who realistically has a better
skill set and ability to find what the heck is
going on here than Elon Musk running multiple trillions of
(13:06):
dollars worth of companies and corporations that he has built.
The answer, I think is also again very clear. So
everything else is noise. It's either fraud is bad and
Elon is the best man for the job, or you're
just you're just spewing nonsense. Because the Democrats are sick
of being made to look like fools and liars, which
is what they really are. I mean, this is why
(13:26):
you have Chuck Schumer dancing around and others looking like
such jokes. And this is why the analogy of influencing
the law and trying to be involved in that and
you being concerned about the law being enforced is probably
a sign that you are engaged in behavior you shouldn't be.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got a call here.
Let's take some more calls.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Eight hundred two A two two eight A two Diane
in Upstate, New York. What's going on? Diane?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Hello, fellas, listen. I have a couple of notations here,
and I also have two relevant questions for you fellas
to explore. The first thing is about all of this
corrupt money flying out of our hands. Let us not
be so naive as to think, oh, we're going to
win the people over. No, no, okay, it is up
(15:36):
to their governments to take care of their people and
all their little niche nonsense. Okay, let us not forget
that there's lots of kickbacks that go to politicians, and
we see that especially during campaign season. What we need
to know is who is okaying all of these funds
flying out the window. And again let's not forget that
(15:57):
the Whinsky doesn't even know where half the money is.
I want invoices, I want to see everything. What the
American people go through around tax time is unbelievable. But
we have to go through now the cartels that have
been bringing everything across the border. We also need to
look at those politicians and those who say, oh the
border is closed, Oh it's safe, really okay, We need
(16:21):
to examine their financials and we are talking about offshore
banking accounts, etc. However, cash and gold mister Menndez of
New Jersey, he knows how to get it dropped off
on his front porch. Now here is a question, one
of the questions, who owns our debt? My understanding over
(16:42):
the years is China d Ming Dingden. All they have
to do is come a knocking to collect. Oh you
can't pay, okay, we'll take your resources. All the oil
that Biden stopped drilling. Do you think that he got
paid for nothing? China has got big eyeballs when it
comes to our resources. My problem with mister Borgum, who
(17:05):
is now Secretary of the Interior. He allowed China to
waltz into North Dakota and surround the military base. He
needs to clean up the slops by taking that land
back by eminent domain. Kick them out. They not only
lose their money, but we get them out of us.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Thank you for the call. We're about to come up
on the break here. What I would say in general
is China owns a lot of our debt. Lots of
foreign countries own a lot of our debt. One of
the ways that we are decreasing America's overall global power
is by becoming so indebted and allowing our chief adversaries
to control in any way our ability. The fact that
(17:48):
we're paying interest to China is not a good thing
for the United States. I'm surprised we don't talk about
it more.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I do think we need to continue to hammer.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
That's exactly how radical the idea of trying to budget
in a reasonable, rational way. The crazy fraud that has
been uncovered inside of the United States government. The idea
that this is in some way political in nature is
I think democrats telling on themselves, but also understand what
(19:23):
the resistance is. Even you mentioned him a little bit earlier,
Scott Galloway is a fairly intelligent guy. He says that
the members of DOGE, that is, Department of Government Efficiency,
Elon's minions. I've heard them called the musketeers whatever you
want to call them inside of the government, that they
(19:44):
should be arrested because this is a coup. Listen to
this take and understand how crazy it really is.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I want to know who their names are. I'm want
to see democratic governor saying I'm going to do everything
i can in my power to use the full faith
in to the letter of the law to put you
folks in prison. I think what you're doing is trespassing.
I think this is a coup. And be clear, just
because the new insurrectionist who was elected, I don't believe
this is legal, and I'm going to hold the people
accountable who are trespassing and part of a coup accountable
(20:15):
to just sit back and say this is horrible and
this is unlawful. We need to go gangster here and say, look,
we are not negotiating around this stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
This is illegal, this is a coup.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
This is the unlawful seizure of power.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Why Buck, I just this guy's a reasonably intelligent guy,
very smart even I've read several of his books. How
has a coup ever been used to reduce I said
this last week, and it's like became a talking point.
Dictatorships typically don't take away the size of government or
reduce the power of government. If it's a coup to
(20:53):
make government more efficient, then I think we should all
be supporting a coup and the idea that these I
should be arrested for making virtually no money and just
trying to uncover fraud. This is important. We have whistleblowers, Buck,
who basically the entire basis of the whistleblower statute.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is to reward people who come forward.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And share instances of fraud with payment for all of
the money they save. If anything, I would say this
is somewhat analogous to a whistleblower type comment because we
have all these brilliant guys, they're almost all young men,
going through government expenditures and uncovering aspects of our tax
dollars that are being wasted. These gys are heroes, far
(21:39):
from being worthy of arrest, which is crazy, But I
do think you guys need to hear the arguments that
are coming.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Out, Clay. It is long understood that the president this
is kind of a big deal to be the president.
I know that the Libs are still very sad because
the president is once again Donald Trump. But the president's
a pretty big job with a lot of powers. And
maybe they've forgotten that because they had a dementia patient
posing as a president for four years while a bunch
(22:06):
of you know, Beta mail cry babies were pulling the
strings on him like a puppet in the White House.
But you can actually have somebody with ideas and decision
making and real authority doing stuff, and that is what
Donald Trump is doing. And I would just note that
we have this this now kind of recent media tradition
of referring to certain people as czars. Right, you refer to, oh,
(22:28):
I don't know, there was that guy who was the
Obama car czar when they were doing the whole GM
bailout thing. Right. And the president is allowed to appoint
special employees who are given presidential authority to work on
tasks that are within the constitutional purview of the president.
So for somebody who is at least ostensibly to your
(22:49):
point intelligent and NYU professor, that actually doesn't mean you're intelligent,
but whatever. To say that these guys should be arrested
for trespassing, that's a very bad idea. And any body
who would do such a thing would be impeding federal authority,
which as we know, Democrats have a very clear history
of you're impeding a federal proceeding, you should go to
(23:11):
prison for like five years, right, I mean, so, I'm
sorry that they don't like the reality. But the reality
is the president can do what he is doing with
regard to the appointment of Elon Musk and others as
special advisory employees or whatever you want to call them.
This has been going on for many many administrations. They
had no problem with it before. The real problem they
(23:32):
have is Trump is doing something that they should have
done if they were serious about getting fraud out of
the government. The bigger problem is the fraud mostly goes
to their friends and buddies, and we all know that
now and we're finding out more and more of that.
And that is the part of it, the grift, the graft.
That's the part of it that I think is so
(23:53):
upsetting to the Democrat establishment because what we're seeing is
they had created a system in DC where by the
election was just kind of a temporary whatever. If a
Republican wins, there's a permanent government that gets to spend
the money it wants, do what it wants, and stop
anyone from reforming it. Trump has come in this time
and said that's actually not the way this is supposed
(24:15):
to go, and it's not the way it will go
now that I have my say, and they can cry
about it, but the Libs are wrong. The Constitution gives
him this authority.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Also the other aspect here, and we haven't talked about
it very much, but I do think it's significant. We
told you this would happen. Federal district court judges are
going to do everything they can to keep Trump from
being able to enact his policies. This judge's ruling that
(24:46):
is trying to stop some of what Doge is doing.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's four pages, it has almost no legal sounding. In fact,
it is one federal judge. And again I will give
credit where there is massive amounts of legal uncertainty. We
told you again using birthright citizenship, this is going to
have to go through the entire court system until this
(25:10):
gets to the Supreme Court, we won't know what the
law on the fourteenth Amendment is. We do know that
the president has the right to choose the people who
work inside of the executive branch. Now, if you want
to argue, hey, these people can't be fired, and you
want to get into a labor and employment dispute, that
is a more interesting argument. But the idea that one
(25:34):
federal district court judge can undo the entire powers of
the United States President is actually pretty staggering in.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
A case like this New York judge Paul Engelmeyer. Now
we're talking about the Mike Senator Mike Lee has called
it a judicial coup, and that is what it feels
like right now. You have random federal judges. And this
should also be hat tip my friend Sean Davis reporting
this out. The Supreme Court is a coequal branch of government.
(26:04):
The federal the federal judges, those are creations of Congress.
That's a whole other thing. Okay, So Congress is like, yeah,
we need all these federal judges to uh to interpret
federal law as part of that enforcement and as part
of that component of the government. But anyway, the judge
Engelmeyer has forbidden even the Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessen, from
(26:27):
accessing Department of Treasury data. I just want everyone to
let that just simmer for a second. There a federal
judge sitting in New York, a partisan hack, has said
the Treasury secretary does not have full access to Treasury
Department data. Now, I can just put this in a
different context. Imagine if a federal judge said the CIA
(26:50):
director does not have full access to everything within the CIA. Ever,
would realize, well, that's insane, right. What's maybe even more
insane that the Treasury director does not have a Treasury
secretary does not have access to this. These are the
kinds of arguments. This is the petty, childish no, you
(27:10):
can't do the things the constitution says you can do
because we don't like it, and why don't they like it? Clay,
bring us back to this Elon share that HHS had
canceled sixty two contracts worth one hundred and eighty two
million dollars. Clay, all of that was for this is
what doos's doing administrative expenses. I can tell you this
(27:31):
the one hundred and eighty million dollars that was being
distributed from HHS for admin costs. Those are going to
Democrat voters, Democrat donors, Democrat power overwhelmingly, probably ninety percent
plus of it, maybe one hundred percent of it.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
This is why they're ticked off. I think that's one
hundred percent true. And this is where the real opposition
to Trump is coming. It's not from a Democrat because
there is no eloquent voice to oppose much of what
he's doing. It's going to come from the courts. And
so understand the reason why Trump has to move so
(28:05):
fast is because there's going to be massive interruptions from
the courts and they're going to hold everything up. We
need to get Ron Johnson on later this week to
talk about the larger budget battles that are going on.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I was with.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The Speaker of the House, who we can get on
again soon, Mike Johnson on Sunday on the Super Bowl
field and he was talking with Shannon Breem about what
the overall timeline is going to be to get all
these deals done. But a big part of this, understand
is how far into the future are we setting what
the tax rates are going to be and how do
(28:44):
you manage to balance all this off setting cost. And again,
I just I would ask you, and I know there's
tons of you out there listening to us right now,
how has it become political to want to eliminate fraud
from the United States government? I will say, did you
see the interview Margaret Brennan did with the anonymous federal worker, Buck,
(29:06):
government employee who was whining about how how suddenly they
worried about their job security. I'm sorry everyone in America
who doesn't have the luxury of having a government job
lives with the constant fear that you might lose your job.
I have no sympathy for some sniveling, overpaid government employee
(29:32):
who was trying to oppose Trump's agenda suddenly having to think,
oh maybe I won't keep my job. And Buck, if
they if we thought they didn't have good jobs, they
offered to pay them through September and let them find
new jobs, and almost no one took the opportunity to
go find a new job.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I bet this is what I've explained. You know, this
one kind of viral because I was because again I
was in the federal government, and one of the big
incentives for federal employment for people is the forever job,
and if you're risk averse, you have a forever. I
had people in the CIA, I will tell you this,
and the CIA, at least then there were some badasses,
legitimately badasses running around me. Sean Ryan, I mean, you know,
(30:16):
you look at some of these guys who've come forward now,
I mean, you know, Cee. I had some pretty awesome
people working there. You know, Sean does a great podcast.
I'm sure a lot of you've seen any he talks
about this stuff. CIA hads some badasses. It's a pretty
lean and mean part of the federal government. But when
I told them that I was considering a couple of
my sin of advisors and senior people that I was
going to leave and actually do media, they were like,
(30:37):
that's insane. Like you're making you're making six figures. It's cool,
and you're never gonna have to worry about a paycheck
for the rest of your life. Like, why would you
ever leave that? Right? And that was the mentality, because
in media, you get fired and you don't get renewed,
and companies shut down and things are scary, and like,
that's all true, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
True of almost everybody in the private sector. So again,
I bet a third of you that are listening to
us today, if you got told hey, i'll pay you
through September, but you have to go find a new job.
I bet a third of you would say, yeah, that's
a pretty good deal. I'll take that offer. What is
it like twenty thousand of the two million some such
(31:17):
have been when I.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Was right, I said this before it happened. I said
you're going to get less than one percent. The administration
was saying five to ten percent. Because the administration has
a lot of private sector people working in it who
see this in that lens. I know about the forever
job mentality and the forever it's very hard to get people.
It's like an addiction. I have healthcare, and I can
pay my bills forever. I never have to think about
it again. You can't. You can't beat that.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know, it's almost impossible to get fired, even for wrongdoings.
You have a lot of protections. Again, I don't have
any sympathy because we're paying for all those people. But
I do, and I look, if there's two million federal employees,
a million of you are probably doing great work. That
means a million of you are just sucking on the
government teep and taking advantage of a cushy job that
(32:03):
you can't find in the real world.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And one of the judges, I think it was the
one and I got trying to keep up with all
these hashtag resistance judges with the one in Massachusetts and
Boston who said that you can't uh, well, then know
there's a couple of these things. Judge Carl Nichols has
a temporary restraining order saying you can't put us AID
employees on administrative leave and as the president, you can't
(32:27):
tell them to come home from overseas. Another judge has
said that you're not allowed to offer the buyout to
federal employees. These judges think they run the country. Yes,
this is insane. We should, we should, we should get
into more of this because this is going to be
a huge This is their only hope in their minds
to stop Trump. They just have judges make up stuff
as they Judges do crazy things that you know, they're
(32:47):
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Speaker 1 (34:23):
You're rolling through the program, Buck, you were just kind
of laying out the judges and we got a lot
of questions coming in about judges.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
We are going to see so much of this. The
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Is a question I just jumped into mentions a lot
of people saying, Okay, what do you do? You have
to appeal a federal district court judge decision on some level,
typically to a circuit court level, and it takes a
long time for the circuit court often to rule understand
what's going on here. This is just a delayed because
(35:01):
I know it sounds crazy, but they know that they
only have four years of Trump. And this is why, Buck,
I think it's so important for everybody out there. As
much good as you may believe Trump is doing, and
we think he's doing a lot No president in four
years can fix much of what's wrong with our government.
We've got to stack multiple administrations together in order to
(35:23):
really fix the cultural rot that exists right now, and
also put more judges in who are more likely to
be constitutionalists and understand presidential power at its most basic level.
So that's an answer in a roundabout fashion that a
lot of people are asking about these judges.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yes, and I think that this is a return to
I've been saying that the hashtag resistance judges, because that's
what they were calling them initially in Trump's first term.
The whole plan was just have the judges, and a
lot of it was coming out of the Ninth Circuit,
you know, which includes California. Have these federal judges just
slow down, slow down Trump, because the Democrats otherwise they've
(36:04):
got nothing right now, They've got no they've got ineffective countermessaging.
They don't have the levers of government to stop this.
All they have are judges. It's really almost the equivalent
clay of filing frivolous lawsuits to try to bury somebody
in paperwork when they're actually right and you're wrong. You know,
this is what they're doing. Except it's judges. It's not
(36:26):
some sketchy plaintiff's attorney or something. So it's gonna be
a fight. We'll see. But the fact that you have
judges stepping in to try to slow down Trump and
that's the best they got is also a reminder that
the winning has been amazing lately and the Democrats are
on their heels, which is good for everybody.
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