April 30, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts delve into a range of significant and engaging topics. They begin by discussing the ongoing cabinet meeting at the White House, highlighting the contributions of key figures such as Interior Secretary Doug Burgum and Secretary of State Marco Rubio. The presence of Elon Musk at the meeting is also noted, with Musk praising the Trump administration's achievements in its first 100 days, particularly in areas like secure borders, safe cities, and sensible spending.
The conversation then shifts to the U.S. economy, where the hosts address the recent 0.3% decline in GDP for the first quarter. Trump attributes this decline to the previous administration's policies, emphasizing that his team is working to turn things around. The hosts discuss the challenges of fixing the economy compared to the more immediate success seen in border security.
China's economic situation is another focal point, with Trump expressing a desire for fair trade practices and intellectual property respect. The hosts predict that trade agreements with China will be resolved by August, improving economic stability and preparing for the holiday season.
The show also touches on the political landscape, questioning the popularity and potential challengers within the Democratic Party. The hosts argue that no Democrat currently matches Trump's popularity, and they critique the party's shifting focus on various issues without a unifying strategy.
In a lighter segment, the hosts engage in a humorous debate about the importance of geographical and historical factors in city development, sparked by a listener's call. They discuss the significance of waterways and trade routes in the establishment of cities, comparing the settlement patterns of the East and West coasts.
The hour concludes with a discussion on the social etiquette of asking friends to pick you up and drop you off at the airport and also help with moving, highlighting the challenges and expectations involved. The hosts agree that such requests should be limited to close friends and family, emphasizing the inconvenience and effort required.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour, Clay and Buck of course coming
to you live and speaking alive. Over at the White House.
They're still going with this cabinet meeting. Clay's buddy, he's
golf buddy. Perhaps soon Doug Bergham's laying it down right now,
Dougie B. I don't know if we've called him that yet,
but I think that's kind of a fun one for him.
He's the Interior Secretary, very important job, a lot that
(00:23):
goes under the umbrella of responsibility for the Interior Secretary.
Senator Mark I keep doing that. I've just known him
as Senator Rubio for the whole time I've been in
media pretty much. Secretary of State Marco Rubio sitting there
as well with Donald Trump. We want to bring you
some of the highlights of what has gone on so far.
(00:44):
And i'd say RFK Junior also sitting next to Doug
ee b Secretary Burgham, and he's doing his thing. I'm
surprised not a lot of controversy around RFK Junior. I
don't mean on the personal side, but on the policy side.
I would have thought by now they would be in
a full fledged freak out over him. But it hasn't
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really happened. Let's dive into what has been going on
here and what they've been saying. As you know, Elon
Musk is also present at this cabinet meeting, and his
time with DOJE is as was planned. Don't forget, because
he's a special government employee or whatever they call it.
As was planned. He's going to be rotating out and
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going back to running his companies. This is cut twenty three.
Elon says, well, Elon has some high praise for the
Trump administration thus far. Play it. Yeah, the American.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
People voted for secure borders, safe cities, and.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Sensible spending, and that's what they've gotten.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A tremendous fountain has been accomplished in the first hundred days,
and as everyone has said, it's more than an that's
been accomplished.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
In any administration before ever period.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So this pretend very well for what happened for the
rest of the administration.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I think this could be the greatest administration.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
On their company.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I've been treated unfairly, but the vast majority of people
in this country really respect and appreciate Youame, and this
whole room can say they're very structured, really been a
tremendous health. He opened up a lot of eyes as
to what could be done, and we just want to
thank you very much, and you know you're invited to
stay as long as you want. At some point, he
(02:21):
wants to get back.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Home to his car, Yeah, and his rockets and all
the other good stuff. Clake, I think it's important context
because Elon is not a guy who accepts less than
the best. It's been one hundred days. Trump's doing the
things he said he would do. There has been some
excellent progress, but you can't slay all the dragons the
(02:42):
first time you pick up the sword. Yeah, and again,
I think the biggest story of Trump's hundred days is
that he tried. He is trying to fix things that
most politicians would not touch. And this is important because
it's what you should want. I want politicians to do,
but most of them are so concerned with getting re
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elected that they aren't willing to actually get that far
out in front of making substantial change. And you and
I have talked about this a lot, and I think
it comes up frequently. What Elon has done is what
we should want incredibly talented people from a wide variety
of backgrounds to be willing to do. It's what Pete
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Hegseth did, It's what Sean Duffy did. If you are
having and this is my opinion, some of you may disagree,
but if you are fortunate enough to have success in
whatever your private endeavor is, Elon is the most successful
capitalist maybe in the history of the world. I want
(03:49):
to reiterate that because I think sometimes it gets lost.
Elon may well be the most successful capitalist in the
history of the world.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I mean, certainly on a dollar value, no one has
been wealthier. Now you can argue hey, historically on inflation
adjusted Bassis, John D. Rockefeller, some of the people in
the late nineteenth century early twentieth century may have had
higher share of wealth, the Stanfords, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers,
the people who endowed so many different institutions. But when
(04:19):
you think about Tesla, SpaceX XAAI, Twitter, and the Boring Company,
among many others, I don't know that there is anyone
in the history of American capitalism or world capitalism that
has been more successful than Elon Is. He had no reason, Buck,
other than his belief that he had an incredible ability
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of talent to bring the bear at the government to
leave what he was doing and making money into it.
Look at Hegseth and people are coming after Hegseth like crazy.
He was making several million dollars a year doing Fox
and Friends' weekend hits as a host and also then
doing lots of different hits on Fox News, and he
gave that up to make a couple hundred thousand dollars
(05:01):
to be Defense Secretary. Sean Duffy was making really good
money hosting a show on Fox Business. He gave that
up to go be Transportation Secretary. Donald Trump himself was
rolling in billions of dollars, had an easy lifestyle. Everyone
loved him. He was one of the most popular entrepreneurs
and capitalists in the entire world. And he decided that
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he didn't like the way America was going and he
was willing to put his hat in the ring and
take the slings and arrows from other people. There are
tons of those people, Lutnick Besant, people who were wildly
successful outside of the government that have decided to bring
their talents to bear at the government. I think it's
probably the most underreported, underdiscussed aspect of Trump cabinet. Two
(05:45):
point zero. I'm not sure we've ever seen a more
successful gathering of people from outside the government than what
Trump has brought to bear so far in this group
that was meeting right now in the last couple of hours.
Now I met will bring more of the highlights to
you as it continues to unfold. But a couple of
things that have come up. One is you may have
(06:06):
seen that the US economy had a zero point three
percent decline in GDP in the first quarter. Now remember
two Remember when two quarters of negative of negative growth
under Biden was a recession. But then they said, well
is that really a recession? And we all had to
debate what the definition of a recession was. They're going
(06:27):
to seize on this. They're trying to seize on this
to say that Trump, his economy is actually not going
to be strong with the American people. You all know,
we all understand where this is going. But Trump had
this to say about the GDP number, and he's not
mincing words. This is twenty four core GDP and this is.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, you've probably said some numbers today and have
to start up.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I say, and that's Biden, that's not Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Because we came in on January, just quarterly numbers, and
we came in and I was very against everything that
Biden was doing in terms of the eccount. I mean,
destroying our country in so many ways, not only at
the border. The border was more obvious, but we took
over his mess in so many different ways. Cored GDP,
removing distortions from imports, inventories, and government spending was up
(07:14):
plus three percent when you edit. We had numbers that
despite what we were handed, we turned them around, that
we were getting them really turned around.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now, I would just say I think it is it
is fair that Donald Trump is well, he's saying, look,
we came in in the middle of in the middle
of the quarter, which is true, or you know, early
mid to the quarter, and he's only been president for
one hundred days. So we have to see how a
lot of this plays out. If Trump could snap it
because he's snapped, I would say this glay because he
(07:44):
snapped his fingers in essence. And the border has been fixed,
not immigration. We still have all the deportations and illegal
immigration issue, but the border issue, border security has been
largely ninety five percent is pretty much fixed. I almost
feel like he's a victim of his own success. Because
he snaps his finger and fixes the border, he can't
snap his fingers and fix the economy. And especially when
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you look at the dead and spending in these things
that have been built up over decades, it's gonna take
a little time. I do think that's fair context for
this number that has just come out.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I don't think there's any doubt at all.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And I just think overall the battle out there as
they are trying to attack Trump. You know, we talked
about the polling numbers yesterday, Buck, and I do think
this is important. Is there anybody within twenty points popularity
wise in the Democrat Party that is eligible to run
(08:40):
for office with Trump? Because historically, with Biden, we knew
Trump was gonna run, so you could always kind of
compare with Biden, and then with Kamala, there was somebody
that you could put up head to head. I'm not
even sure right now who you would point to in
the Democrat Party and say this person is even on
(09:00):
an even remotely close to an even playing field with
Donald Trump's popularity. And so the attack now is, Oh,
the things that Trump is doing are unpopular, and I
think they've had some success going after Elon and I
hope it doesn't discourage other highly successful businessmen from coming
into government, but unfortunately, I think it probably will, and
(09:24):
I think that's part of the intent. But I don't
know who you would even point to and say, in
these hundred days, this person has been elevated as the
foil for Trump. District court judges, but there's hundreds of them.
There isn't really any challenger of Trump, even if his
agenda is not wildly popular in the marketplace right now.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like I don't even see a conflict of ideas that's
possible because Democrats, it sort of feels, are drunkenly jumping
from oh, we're gonna go with a Breo Garcia, Oh
we're gonna go with the cost of eggs. Oh the
stock market is not in an ideal position, and they
just kind of drunkenly move swerve from one argument to another,
(10:10):
and there is no uniting coalition of opposition behind it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Which I think is only fracturing even more, And I
think it's gonna get worse because I think the economy
is going to be getting better in the months ahead.
Now China obviously looms large in all of this, with
the economy, with the tariffs, and this is really I
think for in my view, i'd be interesting. This would
(10:36):
be an interesting question to ask Trump. I'd love to hear. Well,
we'll talk to him. I think we're gonna go see
the big guy in June. Clay and I've been talking
about this. We were going to see them and see
him sooner and his team. But you know, I've got
a little human who is very dependent on mom and
dad to be around, well, particularly mom, let's be honest,
but I try to help out. So Clay has graciously
agreed to let us push this back to probably June.
(10:56):
I think we'll do our time with the President and
some of his team, but I would want to ask him.
I think that in Trump's mind, he has defeated the
fake news media, which is which I think is a
totally fair assessment. I think he has defeated the Democrat Party, right,
He's not running again. He won twice. He I know
some of you're saying he won three times, but he
won twice officially. And now I think he views his
(11:21):
primary challenge as China. I don't think he thinks the
Democrats are who he really has to focus on as
much anymore. I think he's really viewing China and the
future of the China US relationship and our ability to
compete and continue to be the dominant global force that
we are is a huge part of Trump's legacy, so
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he sees this as important. I don't think he wants
to have an unnecessarily bellakos relationship with China. He just
wants us to be well positioned and he wants things
to be fair. He spoke about this in this cabinet meeting.
This is cut twenty five.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I know that China is doing very poorly right now.
I just saw some reports coming out and I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Want that to happen into China.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I like the president a lot, Presidentcy I don't want
it to happen. I was. I was actually sanden to
hear it. But they are getting absolutely hammered in China.
And you know, they're sending boats, the biggest boats in
the world, carrying cargo like nobody's ever seen before. These
are the biggest boats in the world, the biggest cargo
ships in the world, and they're coming and they're turning
(12:21):
around in the Pacific ocean. They're doing a big view
turn and going back because they don't want to do
this because one hundred and forty five percent TARA. But
at a certain point, I hope we're going to make
a deal with China. We're talking to China, but their
factories are closing all over China because we're not taking
their product. We don't want their product unless they're going
to be fair with us, and that includes intellectual property
and other things. There are a lot of things far
(12:42):
beyond just by seal Clay.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He said, Look, he doesn't want to get into a
bare knuckle brawl for the foreseeable future with China over trade.
All they have to do is change some behavior and
we can all be nice. As Trump would say, I
will be very surprised if by August this isn't all right.
You can put me down on the prediction market. By August,
I think we'll get through the summer. I think what
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you will start to see in the next few days
is a lot of these new trade agreements will be
rolled out, and they'll be better, and they'll be more efficient,
and the market is going to come to realize that
this is not the end of the world, and I
think by August China and the United States will have
in some way come to an agreement.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's my bet.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think they want to get this thing resolved before
we get into the holiday season, because you need some
finality and certainty as you are getting retail set up
for the holiday season, which now buck by September, there
Christmas tree showing up in costcos you know, the Christmas
creep gets here sooner and sooner, and I think that
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will be a time when we will have some resolution.
So I don't think this thing is going to stretch
on forever. I think both sides are going to sit
down at the table. I think we'll get a better
deal than we have right now, and by this summer,
I think you will start to see the larger marketplace
start to fire. I also think our boy Jerome Powell,
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inflation is coming down. He needs to cut rates, and
there's now a prediction of four rate cuts before the end.
I think Goldman's newest forecast is that four rate cuts,
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(14:31):
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No funny what people get fired up about Northeast. People
are fired up because I said nobody would live there
if we had settled west to east. How dare you,
Southern fellow? How dare you? I'm just saying the West
Coast is better than the East Coast geographically, weather wise,
weather wise Northeast. I like, well, anyway, here is Henry, Syracuse,
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New York.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
He's upset. BB Let's hear.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
What he says.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Hey, I gotta tell you, as someone who lives in
upstate New York, your theory and the least populated place
in the Northeast would not withstand. The reason is why
is because of the amount of freshwater we have here.
They don't have any water out west. They would go
and look and find water and end up here.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You don't don't mess with my upstate New York fan
and think that you're gonna get away with that. Mister Tennessee,
all right, you leave us northeasterners alone. I think there
would have been plenty of water for the early settlers
who were on the West. Like I don't remember people
dying of lack of water in San Francisco or Los
Angeles back in the day. Now the cities have grown
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so much that there is a massive demand for water now,
and that's actually a huge issue. It's certain, let's sake,
let's get James and Houston in real quick.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Here.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He also takes issue with Clay's offhand comment, go ahead, James,
do we have James?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Through history? Yeah? Through history, commerce in trade has determined
where population cities are. If we were still trading with Europe,
East would be the place people would live. I mean,
if you look at cities like Chicago and Houston, what
has made them it's trade, Their access to the waterways.
New Orleans is the same way you can go back
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in history. Jerusalem was founded as a trade posting with Damascus.
That is where people settle. It has nothing to do
with weather. If it did, Houston would not have the
population they did.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
James, James, I love it. I'm just gonna say, what
what rivers does Clay have in Tennessee, not the cool
ones that we do in the Northeast. I love James's call.
I might have to respond to James's argument on why
I think I'm right when we come back. But in
the meantime, I don't know how many of you out
there love Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
My Atlanta Braves started off oh to seven, not ideal,
not ideal, But thanks to the fact that Denver has
maybe with the Colorado Rockies, the worst baseball team of
all time, my Braves are about to be back to
five hundred.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sorry Colorado Rocky fans out there, and a.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
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five dollars. California would have been the most settled state
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Trump still going strong
here with the cab meetings, so we'll continue to watch
that for notable moments. Right now, he's taking questions from reporters.
He's got the whole team around him, Secretary of State,
Secretary of Defense, Interior, go down the line, everybody is
(19:12):
there and they're taking questions in real time from reporter.
So we'll continue to follow bring you those highlights. But
we are monitoring now. The team is keeping an eye
on everything, and we've got, you know, a great radio team,
so they'll make sure that anything that you need to hear,
we will bring to you. I have a couple of
things here. One is Clay wants to respond. I thought
(19:32):
our caller, James from Houston was erudite. I thought he
was on point and describing how despite what Clay may think.
And I'm gonna let you guys on a little secret.
Clay wears flip flops like all the time, Okay, all
the time. Now, if you were to wear flip flops constantly,
you too would probably think that weather was the most
(19:53):
important determination for where you would live. He also wears
shorts a lot. I'm just gonna say it. He's a
shorts and flip flops.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
God.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I live in Miami, and I'm gonna say I think
I wear pants more than Clay does.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Probably true.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Probably true. But our caller says that commerce, waterways, proximity
to Europe and the and the trading relationship there more
important than sunny California weather. If the set if we
could have settled differently, Clay, you want to respond to
this scholarly, I will say scholarly phone call.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Receive very good call from Houston. Here is my argument.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
If we had settled west to east, then their relationships
with Asia would have been more paramount than our relationships
with Europe ended up being.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Now that becomes Competifi's.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A lot, a lot bigger, a lot more time to traverse,
so that would have been far more complicated. But okay,
I'll let you keep rolling on this second part of this.
He is correct. I am a nerd about transportation. There
are a lot of things that I care way too
much about that embarrass my kids and my wife.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
When it comes to just nerdy things.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I am like James, where I will drive through a
city and I will regularly talk to my kids about
two things that drive them crazy. One is transportation and
why cities exist where they are. And it is correct.
The rivers and streams were the initial highways of America
and typically many of our cities now which people don't
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think about, were located in places where ships could easily
pull up and disgorge their goods. Right, So I lived
in the Caribbean for instance. For any of you that
have ever been to Saint Thomas, US Virgin Islands, I'm
still a licensed attorney there as well. If you get
into trouble place, to be your first call at Saint Thomas,
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I would be an amazing Saint Thomas lawyer. Uh if
you pull in and uh you pull in there at
a cruise ship, it's kind of crazy. The reason why
Saint Thomas is a popular Caribbean destination to this day
is because it has a natural deep water port. That is,
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you're able to pull in a ship and go right
up to the water and take off all of the
goods on that ship.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It's actually very rare if you think about it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Most places like the land slopes down very gradually. It's
how a beach would work, right like you come in
or it's right up against a rock formation in Saint Thomas.
The reason why it's still a popular port in the
Caribbeans to this day for carnival cruise ships, Royal Caribbean,
whatever else, is because you can pull a huge cruise
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ship up and actually disembark right on the land.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Very rare. Doesn't exist very many places.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That is also why New York City is popular today
as it is as a harbor. That is why Charleston
is popular. These places along the coast had more access
to ships. So our caller this is probably again I
think about this a great deal embarrassingly such the caller
is not wrong. However, if you think about when we
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finally got to the West, it was not until basically
the railroad era. Really you needed trains, you needed trains.
This but this goes to I think his first of all,
I like, how excited about geography nerdom you're getting here
because I transportation and shipping costs and all of these things.
Love the love the geography. The issue that you would
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have if California and the West Coast had been settled first,
I think is first starting off Asia, the Pacific, far bigger,
more complicated, more time consuming, just in terms of transport
than getting from Europe to hear right, But put put
that aside. Now we're talking about the land mass the
and I know some of you are like, Buck, why
are you taking shots at Tennessee's river? We had the
(23:42):
Tennessee River, the Cumberland River, I know, but I just
wanted to poke at Clay for a second because he
was talking smack about the great river network in the
state of Tennessee. Quite quite fond of our river network,
the original before the before the locomotive comes along. Right,
the most important things for commerce by far, not even close.
Really all commerce in essence, I mean all meaningful tonnage
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of commerce. When you're looking at tonnage, it has to
be via rivers. This is why the Hudson River, which
is now just a place that people think is pretty
in New York, in the Hudson Valley, Hudson River was
the most important waterway in the early era of this
of North America by far, right, Which is why West
Point and Bennet mcdarnold and all that was so important
as well, because if you could have cut off access
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to the Hudson River, you would have maybe been able
to end the and the War, the war, the insurrection
if you will, against the British, and then you get
into the Great Lakes, the Great Lakes which because of
the canal Canal Erie Canal, and then gets us into Chicago,
Chicago named for I think in Algonquin word for stinky onion, Chicaqua,
and the Mississippi River base and a lot I don't
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I was gonna get there, and you get the Louisiana Purchase,
and the Mississippi River Basin is probably the most impressive.
It's like God's or you know, God slash Nature's same
thing highway system that we inherited with the Louisiana Purchase,
which is the most impressive system of rivers. I mean,
you've got some pretty good stuff in Europe too, but
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our navigable rivers, because of the Mississippi River Basin, were
incredible for commerce and allowed for the phase settlement of
this country to be as successful as it was. And
the Lewis and Clark Expedition, which I have argued should
be a program and would immediately become the most popular
show in America if they would make it, and I've
been arguing that for four years on this program. Buck
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the entire purpose of the Lewis and Clark expedition from
a business perspective, other than mapping and checking floora at
fauna and different animals, was to see if there was
a way to go across the entire continent and access
the Pacific Ocean. Was there a major river that could
act as a highway? Now back to James's point, Yeah, wait,
(25:54):
wait minute, I got something on James's point too, though,
Clay to your theory though, I'm just throwing it out there,
mister flip flops. California so nice. You're an early settler,
pre railroad for railroads changed the game, right, You're a
pre railroad. You're in California. It's all beautiful and nice.
What happens when you find yourself in Nevada, no offense, Nevada,
not throwing shade. What happens when you're in the desert
(26:16):
surrounded by rattle snakes in HeLa, monsters in Arizona. You know,
like this is would have been This would have been tough,
not sledding, because it's not sledding, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
This would have been to go That's my argument.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You would turn back and be like, why would I
leave the Garden of Eden, you would stay on the
West coast. But by the time we got to settling
the West coast, and I'm leaving aside the Oregon Trail
and all of that era, we had moved, to call
her James's point, from a predominantly ocean and ship based
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commerce system to the trans Continental Railroad, which then became
at that point in time around you know, the eighteen sixties,
during the Civil War, the railroad system took over to
such an extent that whether you had a railroad stop
became the foundation of your city's success, such that we
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have a lot of cities then that grew up that
were not necessarily located on rivers and streams that were
the primary source of distribution. So you end up with
a lot of different cities that have blown up in
an era where the railroad was the primary transportation and
communication hub. So I think by the time we got
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all the way to the east coast, my point is,
it would have been a situation where the railroad.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Would have become more predominant than the rivers and streams.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I agree with James from Houston. So now I'm
going to throw something else your way and we just
want to get some of you fired up over this.
I remember there was a conversation we had on this show. Well, Clint,
I actually agreed. I like it when I got to
disagree with them and we get to fight it out
on the air. But I actually agree with them that
the expectation that most people have that you should be
picked up from the airport in the era of Uber,
(28:01):
especially in major metropolitan area, it up over this.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
This is a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I agreed. Yeah, I agree with Clay. I'm like, this
is you know, my family just came to visit. I
was like, great, take an uber. I'm happy to send
the uber for anyone, happy to set it up. It's
not that, but don't make me drive in rush hour
traffic in Miami to the airport and then drive in
rush hour because there's nothing but traffic here when it's
rush hour. Just like a lot of other you want
to go to JFK Airport in New York at the
(28:25):
wrong time. You know, I hope you brought some snacks
because you're going to be on that highway trying to
get yourself to the airport for about two hours. Okay,
it's a nightmare, all right. That was something that a
lot of you disagree with us on. That's fine. That
was Anyone who agreed with us was right, who disagree
was wrong, Clay, more than a third of people, according
to the New York Post here and new data that
(28:47):
has been put out of a poll of two thousand adults.
So they really they decided to really go after this
with a new study. A third of people thirty eight
percent hate being asked to move right so moving by
either family or friends, to move your residence, to move
your domicile thirty eight percent. I just want to throw
(29:07):
this out there, Clay. If I had a choice between
you calling me and saying, hey, buddy, I need help moving,
or Hey buddy, don't tell Laura, I'm stuck in Tijuana
and I need you to come and bribe the police
to get me out of here before anyone finds out.
I think I'm taking door number two. Moving is the
(29:28):
absolute worst, and unless you are an immediate family member
or romantically involved with somebody, I think asking them to
help you move is just going way too far. I
think there's reasons why we got moving companies. This is
a good test for how pretty the girl is or
how much the guy likes you, because there's no guy
who's like, yeah, you know what I want to spend
(29:49):
Saturday Sunday doing moving a bunch of stuff from one
apartment to another in a city. I have been in
this situation college age. A lot of you have where
you're in your twenties and your moving from one place
to another. Juez just carry stuff across Washington, d C.
Because it's so expensive to rent moving vans that we
(30:09):
would just I remember carrying multiple mattresses just from one
side of DC to another on the street with like
just a couple of guys like, hey, we're just gonna
throw this in the you know, like we're literally gonna
carry this rather than try to move it. I agree
completely that this is bad. I think it's probably the
number one thing that people ask for you to do,
(30:33):
and you're like, you probably have you ever been asked
to help somebody move and you were just like, sorry,
hard pass, can't do it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I haven't been asked since.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know. What's funny is we're in the process of
moving and it's gonna take like eight months. I have
no idea when the new house is gonna be done,
but I am already thinking my boys, my two oldest,
seventeen and fourteen year old. I'm like, these guys should
be carrying everything now. They're the ones who are always
doing push ups. They're trying to impress girls by getting
in shape. I've been married twenty one years. I'm getting
(31:04):
to be an old guy. They should be in charge
between the two of them now of moving everything. I'm
starting to feel a little bit like a farmer buck.
Remember back in the day, you had a lot of
kids because you just needed labor at the farm. We
don't have a farm, but for the move process, I
think I'm gonna put the Travis boys to work and
dear boys do daily chores or daily chores, something that
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you assign them or not really they so to their credit,
they are really good kids, and they spend way more
time at school than we ever.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
They leave at six am and they do not get
home at the end of the day some days till
like six thirty or seven o'clock at night because they
have so many different obligations at school. I think we
layer more stuff on kids now than we did then.
So they have obligations around the house, but they're not
massively substantial. And my wife would say, if she were
(31:57):
listening right now, that the miss of being a mom
of three boys who are two teenagers and me, who
was probably the one that she would say is the
most difficult is she basically lives in a frat house.
And like all frat houses, my boys basically live in
a pig style all the time. So there is pizza
(32:18):
boxes everywhere, there are potato chip bags. The beer obviously
is not started. But I told my wife's joking with
my wife the other day, I was like, you never
wanted to. You know, no girl ever once when she
walked into a frat house. They're never like, oh, this
is amazing. You know, sorority house is really nice, pretty
well kept. Frat houses are all just dee dumps. She
(32:39):
now lives in a frat house because the boys are messes.
And then you layer it on with me. I'll put
this out there for any of you. What are the
rules for who you can or you should or should
not ask to help you move? Do you agree with
me that it is immediate family love interest and that
is it? Or would you ask a good buddy? Okay?
(33:01):
Like I said, Clay tells me that he's in prison
in Beijing. He's a tourist over there, and he needs
me to make calls to State department, fly over, do
a little you know, hostage trade fine Clay says, I
need you to help me move buck. I don't know Jesse.
Kelly's tall, He's probably got good leverage. Call him like
I just think the rules here need to be pretty clear.
But what do you think eight hundred two two eight
(33:23):
a two will take it. I think you have to
be friends with somebody for a long time in order
to ask them to help you move. I gotta tell
you a lot of challenges going on right now in
the Middle East. As many of you know right now,
every single day there is a new story about missiles
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Speaker 3 (34:56):
The views and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Play Travis at Buck Sexton. Find them on the free
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Speaker 3 (35:11):
Jennings says Buck.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Friends help you move real friends, help you move bodies.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh whoa Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That is when you know you got somebody who's in
your proverbial foxhole. If you show up with the dead
body and you're like, hey, I got to move something
and you're like, what you moving to a new apartment,
no dead body and they grab a shovel. That's how
you become accomplished. And it's been the rest of your life
in prison too if you get caught. Just FYI, I
wanted to play this for you. We'll have some more
(35:41):
fun talking about this this moving ridiculousness. But I did
hear this last night, and I thought it was such
a well said by Giannis out of Kimpo, who is
a basketball player for the Milwaukee Bucks. Buck you even
saw this. In fact, I don't know that we're gonna
have time to play it. We'll play it in the
third hour because we've got a short turn here. Instead,
(36:02):
I will tell you you're going to enjoy. Trust me what
he said, and I think it's emblematic of sometimes a
decision being made about who to put forward as your
front facing brand. NBA would have done a lot better.
I think if they've made Yannis the face of the
league instead of Lebron. Talk about that a little bit
third hour. By the way, we're also going to be
joined by Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. She is a big
(36:24):
fan of the Cumberland River, Tennessee River and many other
of the lakes and waterways in our fair state of
Tennessee that I call home. We will talk to her
at two thirty East coast time, and we've got a
couple of other stories that are out there. Hakeem Jefferies
will update you that. But Tim Walls when we come
back Buck. Tim Walls says Kamala Harris picked him because
(36:46):
she needed to speak to white guys who like football.
This is real audio. I'm gonna play it for you
and when we return
All right, second hour, Clay and Buck of course coming
to you live and speaking alive. Over at the White House.
They're still going with this cabinet meeting. Clay's buddy, he's
golf buddy. Perhaps soon Doug Bergham's laying it down right now,
Dougie B. I don't know if we've called him that yet,
but I think that's kind of a fun one for him.
He's the Interior Secretary, very important job, a lot that
(00:23):
goes under the umbrella of responsibility for the Interior Secretary.
Senator Mark I keep doing that. I've just known him
as Senator Rubio for the whole time I've been in
media pretty much. Secretary of State Marco Rubio sitting there
as well with Donald Trump. We want to bring you
some of the highlights of what has gone on so far.
(00:44):
And i'd say RFK Junior also sitting next to Doug
ee b Secretary Burgham, and he's doing his thing. I'm
surprised not a lot of controversy around RFK Junior. I
don't mean on the personal side, but on the policy side.
I would have thought by now they would be in
a full fledged freak out over him. But it hasn't
(01:04):
really happened. Let's dive into what has been going on
here and what they've been saying. As you know, Elon
Musk is also present at this cabinet meeting, and his
time with DOJE is as was planned. Don't forget, because
he's a special government employee or whatever they call it.
As was planned. He's going to be rotating out and
(01:27):
going back to running his companies. This is cut twenty three.
Elon says, well, Elon has some high praise for the
Trump administration thus far. Play it. Yeah, the American.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
People voted for secure borders, safe cities, and.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Sensible spending, and that's what they've gotten.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A tremendous fountain has been accomplished in the first hundred days,
and as everyone has said, it's more than an that's
been accomplished.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
In any administration before ever period.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So this pretend very well for what happened for the
rest of the administration.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I think this could be the greatest administration.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
On their company.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I've been treated unfairly, but the vast majority of people
in this country really respect and appreciate Youame, and this
whole room can say they're very structured, really been a
tremendous health. He opened up a lot of eyes as
to what could be done, and we just want to
thank you very much, and you know you're invited to
stay as long as you want. At some point, he
(02:21):
wants to get back.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Home to his car, Yeah, and his rockets and all
the other good stuff. Clake, I think it's important context
because Elon is not a guy who accepts less than
the best. It's been one hundred days. Trump's doing the
things he said he would do. There has been some
excellent progress, but you can't slay all the dragons the
(02:42):
first time you pick up the sword. Yeah, and again,
I think the biggest story of Trump's hundred days is
that he tried. He is trying to fix things that
most politicians would not touch. And this is important because
it's what you should want. I want politicians to do,
but most of them are so concerned with getting re
(03:05):
elected that they aren't willing to actually get that far
out in front of making substantial change. And you and
I have talked about this a lot, and I think
it comes up frequently. What Elon has done is what
we should want incredibly talented people from a wide variety
of backgrounds to be willing to do. It's what Pete
(03:28):
Hegseth did, It's what Sean Duffy did. If you are
having and this is my opinion, some of you may disagree,
but if you are fortunate enough to have success in
whatever your private endeavor is, Elon is the most successful
capitalist maybe in the history of the world. I want
(03:49):
to reiterate that because I think sometimes it gets lost.
Elon may well be the most successful capitalist in the
history of the world.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I mean, certainly on a dollar value, no one has
been wealthier. Now you can argue hey, historically on inflation
adjusted Bassis, John D. Rockefeller, some of the people in
the late nineteenth century early twentieth century may have had
higher share of wealth, the Stanfords, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers,
the people who endowed so many different institutions. But when
(04:19):
you think about Tesla, SpaceX XAAI, Twitter, and the Boring Company,
among many others, I don't know that there is anyone
in the history of American capitalism or world capitalism that
has been more successful than Elon Is. He had no reason, Buck,
other than his belief that he had an incredible ability
(04:40):
of talent to bring the bear at the government to
leave what he was doing and making money into it.
Look at Hegseth and people are coming after Hegseth like crazy.
He was making several million dollars a year doing Fox
and Friends' weekend hits as a host and also then
doing lots of different hits on Fox News, and he
gave that up to make a couple hundred thousand dollars
(05:01):
to be Defense Secretary. Sean Duffy was making really good
money hosting a show on Fox Business. He gave that
up to go be Transportation Secretary. Donald Trump himself was
rolling in billions of dollars, had an easy lifestyle. Everyone
loved him. He was one of the most popular entrepreneurs
and capitalists in the entire world. And he decided that
(05:23):
he didn't like the way America was going and he
was willing to put his hat in the ring and
take the slings and arrows from other people. There are
tons of those people, Lutnick Besant, people who were wildly
successful outside of the government that have decided to bring
their talents to bear at the government. I think it's
probably the most underreported, underdiscussed aspect of Trump cabinet. Two
(05:45):
point zero. I'm not sure we've ever seen a more
successful gathering of people from outside the government than what
Trump has brought to bear so far in this group
that was meeting right now in the last couple of hours.
Now I met will bring more of the highlights to
you as it continues to unfold. But a couple of
things that have come up. One is you may have
(06:06):
seen that the US economy had a zero point three
percent decline in GDP in the first quarter. Now remember
two Remember when two quarters of negative of negative growth
under Biden was a recession. But then they said, well
is that really a recession? And we all had to
debate what the definition of a recession was. They're going
(06:27):
to seize on this. They're trying to seize on this
to say that Trump, his economy is actually not going
to be strong with the American people. You all know,
we all understand where this is going. But Trump had
this to say about the GDP number, and he's not
mincing words. This is twenty four core GDP and this is.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, you've probably said some numbers today and have
to start up.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I say, and that's Biden, that's not Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Because we came in on January, just quarterly numbers, and
we came in and I was very against everything that
Biden was doing in terms of the eccount. I mean,
destroying our country in so many ways, not only at
the border. The border was more obvious, but we took
over his mess in so many different ways. Cored GDP,
removing distortions from imports, inventories, and government spending was up
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plus three percent when you edit. We had numbers that
despite what we were handed, we turned them around, that
we were getting them really turned around.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now, I would just say I think it is it
is fair that Donald Trump is well, he's saying, look,
we came in in the middle of in the middle
of the quarter, which is true, or you know, early
mid to the quarter, and he's only been president for
one hundred days. So we have to see how a
lot of this plays out. If Trump could snap it
because he's snapped, I would say this glay because he
(07:44):
snapped his fingers in essence. And the border has been fixed,
not immigration. We still have all the deportations and illegal
immigration issue, but the border issue, border security has been
largely ninety five percent is pretty much fixed. I almost
feel like he's a victim of his own success. Because
he snaps his finger and fixes the border, he can't
snap his fingers and fix the economy. And especially when
(08:06):
you look at the dead and spending in these things
that have been built up over decades, it's gonna take
a little time. I do think that's fair context for
this number that has just come out.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I don't think there's any doubt at all.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And I just think overall the battle out there as
they are trying to attack Trump. You know, we talked
about the polling numbers yesterday, Buck, and I do think
this is important. Is there anybody within twenty points popularity
wise in the Democrat Party that is eligible to run
(08:40):
for office with Trump? Because historically, with Biden, we knew
Trump was gonna run, so you could always kind of
compare with Biden, and then with Kamala, there was somebody
that you could put up head to head. I'm not
even sure right now who you would point to in
the Democrat Party and say this person is even on
(09:00):
an even remotely close to an even playing field with
Donald Trump's popularity. And so the attack now is, Oh,
the things that Trump is doing are unpopular, and I
think they've had some success going after Elon and I
hope it doesn't discourage other highly successful businessmen from coming
into government, but unfortunately, I think it probably will, and
(09:24):
I think that's part of the intent. But I don't
know who you would even point to and say, in
these hundred days, this person has been elevated as the
foil for Trump. District court judges, but there's hundreds of them.
There isn't really any challenger of Trump, even if his
agenda is not wildly popular in the marketplace right now.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like I don't even see a conflict of ideas that's
possible because Democrats, it sort of feels, are drunkenly jumping
from oh, we're gonna go with a Breo Garcia, Oh
we're gonna go with the cost of eggs. Oh the
stock market is not in an ideal position, and they
just kind of drunkenly move swerve from one argument to another,
(10:10):
and there is no uniting coalition of opposition behind it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Which I think is only fracturing even more, And I
think it's gonna get worse because I think the economy
is going to be getting better in the months ahead.
Now China obviously looms large in all of this, with
the economy, with the tariffs, and this is really I
think for in my view, i'd be interesting. This would
(10:36):
be an interesting question to ask Trump. I'd love to hear. Well,
we'll talk to him. I think we're gonna go see
the big guy in June. Clay and I've been talking
about this. We were going to see them and see
him sooner and his team. But you know, I've got
a little human who is very dependent on mom and
dad to be around, well, particularly mom, let's be honest,
but I try to help out. So Clay has graciously
agreed to let us push this back to probably June.
(10:56):
I think we'll do our time with the President and
some of his team, but I would want to ask him.
I think that in Trump's mind, he has defeated the
fake news media, which is which I think is a
totally fair assessment. I think he has defeated the Democrat Party, right,
He's not running again. He won twice. He I know
some of you're saying he won three times, but he
won twice officially. And now I think he views his
(11:21):
primary challenge as China. I don't think he thinks the
Democrats are who he really has to focus on as
much anymore. I think he's really viewing China and the
future of the China US relationship and our ability to
compete and continue to be the dominant global force that
we are is a huge part of Trump's legacy, so
(11:41):
he sees this as important. I don't think he wants
to have an unnecessarily bellakos relationship with China. He just
wants us to be well positioned and he wants things
to be fair. He spoke about this in this cabinet meeting.
This is cut twenty five.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I know that China is doing very poorly right now.
I just saw some reports coming out and I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Want that to happen into China.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I like the president a lot, Presidentcy I don't want
it to happen. I was. I was actually sanden to
hear it. But they are getting absolutely hammered in China.
And you know, they're sending boats, the biggest boats in
the world, carrying cargo like nobody's ever seen before. These
are the biggest boats in the world, the biggest cargo
ships in the world, and they're coming and they're turning
(12:21):
around in the Pacific ocean. They're doing a big view
turn and going back because they don't want to do
this because one hundred and forty five percent TARA. But
at a certain point, I hope we're going to make
a deal with China. We're talking to China, but their
factories are closing all over China because we're not taking
their product. We don't want their product unless they're going
to be fair with us, and that includes intellectual property
and other things. There are a lot of things far
(12:42):
beyond just by seal Clay.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He said, Look, he doesn't want to get into a
bare knuckle brawl for the foreseeable future with China over trade.
All they have to do is change some behavior and
we can all be nice. As Trump would say, I
will be very surprised if by August this isn't all right.
You can put me down on the prediction market. By August,
I think we'll get through the summer. I think what
(13:06):
you will start to see in the next few days
is a lot of these new trade agreements will be
rolled out, and they'll be better, and they'll be more efficient,
and the market is going to come to realize that
this is not the end of the world, and I
think by August China and the United States will have
in some way come to an agreement.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's my bet.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think they want to get this thing resolved before
we get into the holiday season, because you need some
finality and certainty as you are getting retail set up
for the holiday season, which now buck by September, there
Christmas tree showing up in costcos you know, the Christmas
creep gets here sooner and sooner, and I think that
(13:47):
will be a time when we will have some resolution.
So I don't think this thing is going to stretch
on forever. I think both sides are going to sit
down at the table. I think we'll get a better
deal than we have right now, and by this summer,
I think you will start to see the larger marketplace
start to fire. I also think our boy Jerome Powell,
(14:09):
inflation is coming down. He needs to cut rates, and
there's now a prediction of four rate cuts before the end.
I think Goldman's newest forecast is that four rate cuts,
a total point rate cut that will also start to
juice the economy, maybe free up the housing market or
so many of you out there sitting on those two
and a half or three percent mortgages. Congrats, but it's
(14:31):
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of start to work through the housing inventory. It's still frozen.
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No funny what people get fired up about Northeast. People
are fired up because I said nobody would live there
if we had settled west to east. How dare you,
Southern fellow? How dare you? I'm just saying the West
Coast is better than the East Coast geographically, weather wise,
weather wise Northeast. I like, well, anyway, here is Henry, Syracuse,
(16:16):
New York.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
He's upset. BB Let's hear.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
What he says.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Hey, I gotta tell you, as someone who lives in
upstate New York, your theory and the least populated place
in the Northeast would not withstand. The reason is why
is because of the amount of freshwater we have here.
They don't have any water out west. They would go
and look and find water and end up here.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You don't don't mess with my upstate New York fan
and think that you're gonna get away with that. Mister Tennessee,
all right, you leave us northeasterners alone. I think there
would have been plenty of water for the early settlers
who were on the West. Like I don't remember people
dying of lack of water in San Francisco or Los
Angeles back in the day. Now the cities have grown
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so much that there is a massive demand for water now,
and that's actually a huge issue. It's certain, let's sake,
let's get James and Houston in real quick.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Here.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He also takes issue with Clay's offhand comment, go ahead, James,
do we have James?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Through history? Yeah? Through history, commerce in trade has determined
where population cities are. If we were still trading with Europe,
East would be the place people would live. I mean,
if you look at cities like Chicago and Houston, what
has made them it's trade, Their access to the waterways.
New Orleans is the same way you can go back
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in history. Jerusalem was founded as a trade posting with Damascus.
That is where people settle. It has nothing to do
with weather. If it did, Houston would not have the
population they did.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
James, James, I love it. I'm just gonna say, what
what rivers does Clay have in Tennessee, not the cool
ones that we do in the Northeast. I love James's call.
I might have to respond to James's argument on why
I think I'm right when we come back. But in
the meantime, I don't know how many of you out
there love Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
My Atlanta Braves started off oh to seven, not ideal,
not ideal, But thanks to the fact that Denver has
maybe with the Colorado Rockies, the worst baseball team of
all time, my Braves are about to be back to
five hundred.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sorry Colorado Rocky fans out there, and a.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Lot of you out there, big NBA fans, big NHL fans,
whatever the local team that you follow, MLB, NHL, Major
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five dollars. California would have been the most settled state
if we'd gone west to East Texas, Georgia. All of
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you can play along prize picks dot Com Code Clay,
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Trump still going strong
here with the cab meetings, so we'll continue to watch
that for notable moments. Right now, he's taking questions from reporters.
He's got the whole team around him, Secretary of State,
Secretary of Defense, Interior, go down the line, everybody is
(19:12):
there and they're taking questions in real time from reporter.
So we'll continue to follow bring you those highlights. But
we are monitoring now. The team is keeping an eye
on everything, and we've got, you know, a great radio team,
so they'll make sure that anything that you need to hear,
we will bring to you. I have a couple of
things here. One is Clay wants to respond. I thought
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our caller, James from Houston was erudite. I thought he
was on point and describing how despite what Clay may think.
And I'm gonna let you guys on a little secret.
Clay wears flip flops like all the time, Okay, all
the time. Now, if you were to wear flip flops constantly,
you too would probably think that weather was the most
(19:53):
important determination for where you would live. He also wears
shorts a lot. I'm just gonna say it. He's a
shorts and flip flops.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
God.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I live in Miami, and I'm gonna say I think
I wear pants more than Clay does.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Probably true.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Probably true. But our caller says that commerce, waterways, proximity
to Europe and the and the trading relationship there more
important than sunny California weather. If the set if we
could have settled differently, Clay, you want to respond to
this scholarly, I will say scholarly phone call.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Receive very good call from Houston. Here is my argument.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
If we had settled west to east, then their relationships
with Asia would have been more paramount than our relationships
with Europe ended up being.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Now that becomes Competifi's.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A lot, a lot bigger, a lot more time to traverse,
so that would have been far more complicated. But okay,
I'll let you keep rolling on this second part of this.
He is correct. I am a nerd about transportation. There
are a lot of things that I care way too
much about that embarrass my kids and my wife.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
When it comes to just nerdy things.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I am like James, where I will drive through a
city and I will regularly talk to my kids about
two things that drive them crazy. One is transportation and
why cities exist where they are. And it is correct.
The rivers and streams were the initial highways of America
and typically many of our cities now which people don't
(21:24):
think about, were located in places where ships could easily
pull up and disgorge their goods. Right, So I lived
in the Caribbean for instance. For any of you that
have ever been to Saint Thomas, US Virgin Islands, I'm
still a licensed attorney there as well. If you get
into trouble place, to be your first call at Saint Thomas,
(21:45):
I would be an amazing Saint Thomas lawyer. Uh if
you pull in and uh you pull in there at
a cruise ship, it's kind of crazy. The reason why
Saint Thomas is a popular Caribbean destination to this day
is because it has a natural deep water port. That is,
(22:05):
you're able to pull in a ship and go right
up to the water and take off all of the
goods on that ship.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It's actually very rare if you think about it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Most places like the land slopes down very gradually. It's
how a beach would work, right like you come in
or it's right up against a rock formation in Saint Thomas.
The reason why it's still a popular port in the
Caribbeans to this day for carnival cruise ships, Royal Caribbean,
whatever else, is because you can pull a huge cruise
(22:35):
ship up and actually disembark right on the land.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Very rare. Doesn't exist very many places.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That is also why New York City is popular today
as it is as a harbor. That is why Charleston
is popular. These places along the coast had more access
to ships. So our caller this is probably again I
think about this a great deal embarrassingly such the caller
is not wrong. However, if you think about when we
(23:00):
finally got to the West, it was not until basically
the railroad era. Really you needed trains, you needed trains.
This but this goes to I think his first of all,
I like, how excited about geography nerdom you're getting here
because I transportation and shipping costs and all of these things.
Love the love the geography. The issue that you would
(23:21):
have if California and the West Coast had been settled first,
I think is first starting off Asia, the Pacific, far bigger,
more complicated, more time consuming, just in terms of transport
than getting from Europe to hear right, But put put
that aside. Now we're talking about the land mass the
and I know some of you are like, Buck, why
are you taking shots at Tennessee's river? We had the
(23:42):
Tennessee River, the Cumberland River, I know, but I just
wanted to poke at Clay for a second because he
was talking smack about the great river network in the
state of Tennessee. Quite quite fond of our river network,
the original before the before the locomotive comes along. Right,
the most important things for commerce by far, not even close.
Really all commerce in essence, I mean all meaningful tonnage
(24:06):
of commerce. When you're looking at tonnage, it has to
be via rivers. This is why the Hudson River, which
is now just a place that people think is pretty
in New York, in the Hudson Valley, Hudson River was
the most important waterway in the early era of this
of North America by far, right, Which is why West
Point and Bennet mcdarnold and all that was so important
as well, because if you could have cut off access
(24:26):
to the Hudson River, you would have maybe been able
to end the and the War, the war, the insurrection
if you will, against the British, and then you get
into the Great Lakes, the Great Lakes which because of
the canal Canal Erie Canal, and then gets us into Chicago,
Chicago named for I think in Algonquin word for stinky onion, Chicaqua,
and the Mississippi River base and a lot I don't
(24:49):
I was gonna get there, and you get the Louisiana Purchase,
and the Mississippi River Basin is probably the most impressive.
It's like God's or you know, God slash Nature's same
thing highway system that we inherited with the Louisiana Purchase,
which is the most impressive system of rivers. I mean,
you've got some pretty good stuff in Europe too, but
(25:10):
our navigable rivers, because of the Mississippi River Basin, were
incredible for commerce and allowed for the phase settlement of
this country to be as successful as it was. And
the Lewis and Clark Expedition, which I have argued should
be a program and would immediately become the most popular
show in America if they would make it, and I've
been arguing that for four years on this program. Buck
(25:33):
the entire purpose of the Lewis and Clark expedition from
a business perspective, other than mapping and checking floora at
fauna and different animals, was to see if there was
a way to go across the entire continent and access
the Pacific Ocean. Was there a major river that could
act as a highway? Now back to James's point, Yeah, wait,
(25:54):
wait minute, I got something on James's point too, though,
Clay to your theory though, I'm just throwing it out there,
mister flip flops. California so nice. You're an early settler,
pre railroad for railroads changed the game, right, You're a
pre railroad. You're in California. It's all beautiful and nice.
What happens when you find yourself in Nevada, no offense, Nevada,
not throwing shade. What happens when you're in the desert
(26:16):
surrounded by rattle snakes in HeLa, monsters in Arizona. You know,
like this is would have been This would have been tough,
not sledding, because it's not sledding, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
This would have been to go That's my argument.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You would turn back and be like, why would I
leave the Garden of Eden, you would stay on the
West coast. But by the time we got to settling
the West coast, and I'm leaving aside the Oregon Trail
and all of that era, we had moved, to call
her James's point, from a predominantly ocean and ship based
(26:46):
commerce system to the trans Continental Railroad, which then became
at that point in time around you know, the eighteen sixties,
during the Civil War, the railroad system took over to
such an extent that whether you had a railroad stop
became the foundation of your city's success, such that we
(27:08):
have a lot of cities then that grew up that
were not necessarily located on rivers and streams that were
the primary source of distribution. So you end up with
a lot of different cities that have blown up in
an era where the railroad was the primary transportation and
communication hub. So I think by the time we got
(27:30):
all the way to the east coast, my point is,
it would have been a situation where the railroad.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Would have become more predominant than the rivers and streams.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I agree with James from Houston. So now I'm
going to throw something else your way and we just
want to get some of you fired up over this.
I remember there was a conversation we had on this show. Well, Clint,
I actually agreed. I like it when I got to
disagree with them and we get to fight it out
on the air. But I actually agree with them that
the expectation that most people have that you should be
picked up from the airport in the era of Uber,
(28:01):
especially in major metropolitan area, it up over this.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
This is a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I agreed. Yeah, I agree with Clay. I'm like, this
is you know, my family just came to visit. I
was like, great, take an uber. I'm happy to send
the uber for anyone, happy to set it up. It's
not that, but don't make me drive in rush hour
traffic in Miami to the airport and then drive in
rush hour because there's nothing but traffic here when it's
rush hour. Just like a lot of other you want
to go to JFK Airport in New York at the
(28:25):
wrong time. You know, I hope you brought some snacks
because you're going to be on that highway trying to
get yourself to the airport for about two hours. Okay,
it's a nightmare, all right. That was something that a
lot of you disagree with us on. That's fine. That
was Anyone who agreed with us was right, who disagree
was wrong, Clay, more than a third of people, according
to the New York Post here and new data that
(28:47):
has been put out of a poll of two thousand adults.
So they really they decided to really go after this
with a new study. A third of people thirty eight
percent hate being asked to move right so moving by
either family or friends, to move your residence, to move
your domicile thirty eight percent. I just want to throw
(29:07):
this out there, Clay. If I had a choice between
you calling me and saying, hey, buddy, I need help moving,
or Hey buddy, don't tell Laura, I'm stuck in Tijuana
and I need you to come and bribe the police
to get me out of here before anyone finds out.
I think I'm taking door number two. Moving is the
(29:28):
absolute worst, and unless you are an immediate family member
or romantically involved with somebody, I think asking them to
help you move is just going way too far. I
think there's reasons why we got moving companies. This is
a good test for how pretty the girl is or
how much the guy likes you, because there's no guy
who's like, yeah, you know what I want to spend
(29:49):
Saturday Sunday doing moving a bunch of stuff from one
apartment to another in a city. I have been in
this situation college age. A lot of you have where
you're in your twenties and your moving from one place
to another. Juez just carry stuff across Washington, d C.
Because it's so expensive to rent moving vans that we
(30:09):
would just I remember carrying multiple mattresses just from one
side of DC to another on the street with like
just a couple of guys like, hey, we're just gonna
throw this in the you know, like we're literally gonna
carry this rather than try to move it. I agree
completely that this is bad. I think it's probably the
number one thing that people ask for you to do,
(30:33):
and you're like, you probably have you ever been asked
to help somebody move and you were just like, sorry,
hard pass, can't do it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I haven't been asked since.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know. What's funny is we're in the process of
moving and it's gonna take like eight months. I have
no idea when the new house is gonna be done,
but I am already thinking my boys, my two oldest,
seventeen and fourteen year old. I'm like, these guys should
be carrying everything now. They're the ones who are always
doing push ups. They're trying to impress girls by getting
in shape. I've been married twenty one years. I'm getting
(31:04):
to be an old guy. They should be in charge
between the two of them now of moving everything. I'm
starting to feel a little bit like a farmer buck.
Remember back in the day, you had a lot of
kids because you just needed labor at the farm. We
don't have a farm, but for the move process, I
think I'm gonna put the Travis boys to work and
dear boys do daily chores or daily chores, something that
(31:25):
you assign them or not really they so to their credit,
they are really good kids, and they spend way more
time at school than we ever.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
They leave at six am and they do not get
home at the end of the day some days till
like six thirty or seven o'clock at night because they
have so many different obligations at school. I think we
layer more stuff on kids now than we did then.
So they have obligations around the house, but they're not
massively substantial. And my wife would say, if she were
(31:57):
listening right now, that the miss of being a mom
of three boys who are two teenagers and me, who
was probably the one that she would say is the
most difficult is she basically lives in a frat house.
And like all frat houses, my boys basically live in
a pig style all the time. So there is pizza
(32:18):
boxes everywhere, there are potato chip bags. The beer obviously
is not started. But I told my wife's joking with
my wife the other day, I was like, you never
wanted to. You know, no girl ever once when she
walked into a frat house. They're never like, oh, this
is amazing. You know, sorority house is really nice, pretty
well kept. Frat houses are all just dee dumps. She
(32:39):
now lives in a frat house because the boys are messes.
And then you layer it on with me. I'll put
this out there for any of you. What are the
rules for who you can or you should or should
not ask to help you move? Do you agree with
me that it is immediate family love interest and that
is it? Or would you ask a good buddy? Okay?
(33:01):
Like I said, Clay tells me that he's in prison
in Beijing. He's a tourist over there, and he needs
me to make calls to State department, fly over, do
a little you know, hostage trade fine Clay says, I
need you to help me move buck. I don't know Jesse.
Kelly's tall, He's probably got good leverage. Call him like
I just think the rules here need to be pretty clear.
But what do you think eight hundred two two eight
(33:23):
a two will take it. I think you have to
be friends with somebody for a long time in order
to ask them to help you move. I gotta tell
you a lot of challenges going on right now in
the Middle East. As many of you know right now,
every single day there is a new story about missiles
being fired, about the need for bomb shelters. I went
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to Israel in December, and I saw for myself the
international Fellowship of Christians and Jews with a tremendous difference
they make with their support over there. And I also
saw touring Old Jerusalem, the importance of the relationship between
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The views and politics, but also a little comic relief.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Play Travis at Buck Sexton. Find them on the free
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back
in great email here from Jennings.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Jennings says Buck.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Friends help you move real friends, help you move bodies.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh whoa Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That is when you know you got somebody who's in
your proverbial foxhole. If you show up with the dead
body and you're like, hey, I got to move something
and you're like, what you moving to a new apartment,
no dead body and they grab a shovel. That's how
you become accomplished. And it's been the rest of your life
in prison too if you get caught. Just FYI, I
wanted to play this for you. We'll have some more
(35:41):
fun talking about this this moving ridiculousness. But I did
hear this last night, and I thought it was such
a well said by Giannis out of Kimpo, who is
a basketball player for the Milwaukee Bucks. Buck you even
saw this. In fact, I don't know that we're gonna
have time to play it. We'll play it in the
third hour because we've got a short turn here. Instead,
(36:02):
I will tell you you're going to enjoy. Trust me what
he said, and I think it's emblematic of sometimes a
decision being made about who to put forward as your
front facing brand. NBA would have done a lot better.
I think if they've made Yannis the face of the
league instead of Lebron. Talk about that a little bit
third hour. By the way, we're also going to be
joined by Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. She is a big
(36:24):
fan of the Cumberland River, Tennessee River and many other
of the lakes and waterways in our fair state of
Tennessee that I call home. We will talk to her
at two thirty East coast time, and we've got a
couple of other stories that are out there. Hakeem Jefferies
will update you that. But Tim Walls when we come
back Buck. Tim Walls says Kamala Harris picked him because
(36:46):
she needed to speak to white guys who like football.
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