July 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a provocative and wide-ranging discussion centered on the Jeffrey Epstein case, judicial overreach, airport security, and the latest political developments involving Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. The hosts dive deep into the Epstein controversy, applying Occam’s Razor to argue that the simplest explanation—Epstein leveraging his connections with powerful men through access to young women—is more plausible than elaborate government conspiracies. They challenge the credibility of online conspiracy theories and defend figures like Dan Bongino and Kash Patel from social media attacks.
The hour also features a sharp critique of the judiciary, particularly a federal judge’s decision to block the defunding of Planned Parenthood. Clay and Buck argue this represents “judicial supremacy lunacy” and advocate for term limits for federal judges, suggesting 20-year terms instead of lifetime appointments to restore accountability.
In a lighter segment, the hosts explore the inefficiencies of TSA airport security, celebrating the end of the shoe-removal requirement and sharing personal anecdotes about pre-check lines and airport design. Airports in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and Las Vegas are criticized for poor layout and outdated facilities, while LaGuardia, Nashville, and Salt Lake City receive praise for recent improvements.
The conversation shifts back to politics with commentary on Trump’s ongoing cabinet meeting and his evolving stance on Russia and Ukraine. Trump expresses frustration with Vladimir Putin and signals openness to new sanctions, while the hosts note a shift in media narratives away from portraying Trump as a Russian asset.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show spice a
lot of different things to dive into. We'll see whether
any of you want to weigh in. I'm sure that
there will be some on the Epstein situation. We've got
(00:21):
Energy Secretary Chris Wright at the bottom of this hour
and then Selena Zito at the bottom of the next.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hour, and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Like I do think we could have an even more
interesting conversation here the way we finished the hour talking
about the Epstein situation.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I was thinking about it more during the commercial break.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Too, And I think a lot of times, what is
it Ockham's razor that says essentially the most likely and
I'm paraphrasing here for some of you that are that
are geniuses, but basically the most likely answer is often true, right,
the simplest and simplest. Yeah, And so let me just
(01:08):
kind of dive into Epstein for a moment here and
tell you what I think the simplest answer more here
we go. Well, I just think there's a lot of
morons that are extremely active, in particular on social media,
and I think they're actually.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Someone say something mean to you on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Just now.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'll fight them. I'll fight them no.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean, look, it doesn't impact uh, it doesn't impact me.
But I do think when you're coming after guys like
Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, those guys, let me just
focus on Bongino specifically, Dan Bongino, whatever you want to
think about the job that he's doing, gave up a
(01:49):
multimillion dollar job to go serve his country at the FBI.
And I don't think there's very many people that are
willing to do that. I don't think there's very many
people out there that are making millions of dollars a
year and say, you know what, I'm going to give
that up and I will make one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a year or whatever the deputy FBI salary is,
(02:11):
I don't know. And I'm going to move to Washington, DC,
and I'm going to work sixteen hours a day, seven
days a week, and I'm going to do my best
to try to make the country as safe as I
possibly can. And then over an Epstein situation, people are like, oh,
you can't trust that guy anymore. I mean, I think, frankly,
your morons if you're making that argument, And let me
(02:33):
explain why. I think you're morons, because I just want
to dive into what is actually the most likely thing here.
This guy Epstein was able to somehow get into a
relationship with the owner of Victoria's Secret was then able
to get super hot girls that are victorious secret models
(02:56):
at all these events that he would then start to create,
and as a result, he was able to get extremely
rich and powerful men access to those women, and he
took advantage of it, and UH intelligence agencies found out
that he had this connection to the honeypot scheme and
(03:18):
they started to leverage what he was doing as well. Okay,
that to me seems like the most likely game that
he was running. And also in the meantime that he
had a series of sexual peccadillos that led him.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Like down the rabbit hole of of of of poor
decision making. He did demonic, He did demonic personal stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He had a then a cadre as he became more wealthy,
he had a cadre of people that basically were willing
to procure girls for him, like this judge, the the
what's the.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ga Maxwell who's in prison?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes, basically all the stories of this appear to be
that she was his procure he would see a pretty
girl and he would be like, Hey, I'm rich, go
find that pretty girl. And she brought all these girls
constantly in his work.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think you think that if you keep laying this
out in a rational and systematic fashion, that you're going
to calm some of the more extreme theories online. And I,
I as as your as your chief consoliari, will tell
you that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, So my law my flaw, and some of you
may have recognized it, and I may have many flaws.
Is I think if I basically put on my warrior
hat and just lay out the facts, that I can
convince almost anyone of anything. Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And that's where maybe I'm sometimes wrong, but I'm not.
You're not. You're not putting a dent in the kind
of stuff that people are saying online. I'm here to
put it so.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But so for there are reasonable persuadable people out there.
So that is the argument. On one side, there is
a rich, power orful guy who has access to young
pretty girls and he is able to leverage that to
make more money by bringing those young pretty girls into
the circle into that of rich old guys. Bill Clinton
(05:15):
probably not easy for him, to meet Victoria's secret supermodels.
I wouldn't think on his own Epstein is the pathway
through which that occurs. Okay, that's one theory. That is
my theory. That is what I think is the most rational.
The Other theory, what I would say is frankly crazy
town theory, is Jeffrey Epstein in some way is being
(05:38):
protected by every powerful person in government, Democrat and Republican
for what like that everybody gets a secret decoder ring
when they come into the government, and of all the
things that you would get, not like, hey, where are
(05:58):
the aliens? Not like hey, who killed JFK or MLK
or all these things that you suddenly get sworn in
with your secret which Buck has already done. Obviously this
is satire, but Buck already did this years ago when
he got his secret decoder ring when he joined the
CIA a long time ago. He can't tell you about it.
But you think that that really goes on. You really
(06:20):
think that Dan Bongino worked his whole life to build
an audience and then left the money that he was
making to go to the FBI, got his secret decoder ring,
and now he wants to cover for Jeffrey Epstein. And
Cash Ptel did it, and Pam Bondi did it, and
all of the other and Merrit.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Garland did it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You really think that that's what's going on, That there's
some grand conspiracy and the one that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
They're gonna rine out right is Jeffrey Epstein. I mean,
is this counselor You've made your case, all right?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You mean, but there is no rational The conspiracy see
theory here is irrational. Now your point is it messy
that there's a minute missing of the Epstein and that
they didn't tell us until people figured it out. That's
bad practice, not just that, also that they managed to
(07:20):
have a guard go to sleep, and that the camera
has warned one of the cameras on the suicide.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean, and it's the only person who have ever
committed suicide in the history in the history of the
Manhattan Correctional Center, which has held top federal criminal defendants
for a very long time, including very scary, very bad people.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That I think is strange. And there's nothing wrong with
things being strange. And even if you wanted to argue, hey,
Epstein didn't kill himself, I don't think that's a crazy
town perspective to take you.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Just spent some time trying to calm the lions down,
and now you're just kick in a t bone steak
into the lions. Then, buddy, you're not You're not gonna
put this one to bed today. I'm telling you. It's
not how I just I just think it is.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Sometimes just sit back and think rationally, how many series
of things have to be true in order for your
story to be true versus the story that I told
to me.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
All right, That's what the whole purpose of a jury is.
So I just send your send your emails and send
us your your talkbacks if you have an answer to
that question, or if you if you want to take
issue with Clay. Now I'm I'm feeling Trump on this one.
I think we should do some news of the day to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Let me say this also on the Epstein, because this
is news of the day. I don't think Trump is
doing I don't think Trump did a good job answering
the question that he got about Epstein today because I
think it's just going to lead more conspiracies out there.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think Trump should sit down and just say what
I said.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You think the whole government's protecting a a.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know, pedophile. No, like this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The conspiracy theories don't add up based on the individuals
who are involved. All right, So Trump, is he still
talking by the way, at the cabinet meeting?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Because we started off the show saying he's still going. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We started off the show saying, Hey, should we go
to the Trump Cabinet meeting live? And I said to Buck,
he may talk for an hour and a half. We
would just be sitting here, like, how are we going
to know when to jump in and out of it?
He still is going, and it is pretty crazy, and uh,
and it's wild to me. I mean, it is absolutely
(09:37):
wild that that he is still going. But more power
to him, more credit to him. And the latest is
that he's gonna be going Friday down to Texas. What's
the other news that has come out? Is there anything
else major that has come out? There's there's other stuff
that has come out. We need to talk more.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think about Trump saying that we're gonna have to
send more weapons to Ukraine. I think that's a pretty
big deal. Trump's talking about Mamdani right now, Mamdanni, the
Kami and the fake African American. You know, So he's
talking about that we'll bring you that clip. In a second,
Trump's saying We've got to send more weapons in Ukraine.
I think it's a big deal. We had an ICE
officer shot in the neck by left wing naniacs, the
(10:18):
second ambush against ICE in the last couple of days,
which I want to spend some time on and bring
everybody up to speed on those stories. Uh, one that
I think you'll you'll get fired about Clay and we
can handle this one quickly. A federal judge has blocked
the defunding of Planned Parenthood in the Big Beautiful Bill.
A federal judge has just come out I think it's
(10:40):
an she's an Obama appointee, and said you can't defund
planned Parenthood. Congress, this is pure judicial supremacy, lunacy. I mean,
there's not even a fig leaf of legal analysis going
into it at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well before they passed the be the Big Beautiful Bill,
you argue, Hey, how does a president's signing of an
executive order impact the overall analysis of that bill by
a federal district court judge. Congress passed it, the president
(11:15):
signed it into law. So now the obstacle to shut
down anything the executive branch is doing is that you're
also overriding congressional authority in doing so as well, and
you're doing it at a federal district court level as
opposed to even a circuit court level or a Supreme
(11:36):
court level.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
These judges have just lost their minds.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And frankly, there are six hundred and eighty of them
or whatever the heck it is federal district court judges
somewhere just south of seven hundred, and they all have
lifetime tenure, and so there is no fear that if
they misbehave from a legal perspective, that they're ever going
(12:01):
to lose their jobs. Like, what are the consequences here? Frankly,
I think, and I say this again as the lawyer,
there is a value to impeaching federal district court judges
who are issuing flagrantly illegal opinions. And I think there
would be some benefit in understanding. I frankly don't think
(12:24):
that giving somebody lifetime tenure is a good decision. I
think if you give somebody, look, congressmen run every two years,
every four years for the president, every six years for
a senator. Why can't we say that judges get twenty
year terms. I mean that seems somewhat rational. I can
accept the argument of the Supreme Court because to me,
(12:47):
that is a more rational idea. Hey, they are the
supreme law of the land. You want them to have
tenure for life. But I don't know that federal district
court judges need tenure for life. I don't buy that
that's necessary in order to get those jobs.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That they clearly need to be rained in. Even more
substantially than what we've seen with the Supreme Court so far,
this is out of control. They are sabotaging government. When
the United States Congress is funding something, and then the
United States Congress decides, hey, we have the power of
the purse. The President signed this. This is all on
(13:27):
the up and up through the system. We're not going
to fund this anymore that a federal judge could say
you have to keep funding. That means that federal judge
is above the President and the United States Congress. One
little federal judge, and that's what we're supposed to accept.
That is complete madness. And if this continues, you just
(13:49):
see it is subverting our system of government. And because
it destroys any faith we have in the judiciary and
the rule of law, I mean, these people are completely nuts.
It's like the wackiest, the wackiest third tier MSNBC hosts
are federal judges all over the country now appointed by
Obama and Biden.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, and I think this is where they have emerged
as the actual resistance two point zero. And they don't
care because there are no consequences for being wrong when
you get.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Overturned, and there is no other real resistance. The Democrats
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or we're going to be talking rather to the Energy
secretary in just a couple of minutes here about plans
to maybe that cabinet meeting may never end. Oh, that's right,
I just realized he's in the cabinet meeting. Okay, so
maybe we'll talk to him in an hour. I don't know,
we'll see. He might be with us. But we've also
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(17:41):
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buck Sexton show. All right, we'll play some of your
react again. I have brilliantly explained why the Epstein case
(19:04):
is really frankly based on all the logic about a
guy who got rich by being able to provide young,
attractive women to people who were also rich, and that
may well have led to relationships with intelligence agencies, and
so far that does not seem to have quelled the
(19:26):
crazy brigade. So the crazy brigade is welcome to call
in eight hundred and two two two eight A two
and argue that the entire government has conspired to protect
Jeffrey Epstein. But I did want to say something incredibly positive.
Did you see this story, Buck? You no longer have
to take your shoes off to go through a TSA line.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Now, I love to see it.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I only got TSA pre check like whatever, Ali, producer Ali,
and you made me do it because I had never
done it. I believe you didn't have pre check. That
was a true shocker. It is true I had not
done it. My last book came out. They were like,
you need to do it. It is better. I'll be
honest with you. Some airports, the pre check line is
(20:13):
now longer than the regular line, like when I flew
back from Florida recently. Every time I go into my
Florida airport, the line is longer to go through pre
check than it is to go through standard. And that
sometimes happens at lots of different airports out there across
the country.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But would you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Agree with me that it was almost universally hated that
you had to take your shoes off, and it was
one of the things that any government employee would make
you do that regardless of how you vote. Everybody was
like this is absurd and ridiculous. Yes, it was degrading
and it felt preposterous.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And the whole thing to me was always look a
lot of the TA say stuffice theater, and there was
a lot of TSA the A lot of things that
TSA have done and we're doing reminds me of the
way that COVID was handled on some level, like we're
just going to do things so that people think that
we're doing things. But the people I always felt bad
for weren't just the I have to remove my shoes people, Clay.
(21:19):
It was the people who weren't wearing socks. That's just
feel that just feels icky. You know, you have to
kick off your your birken stocks with no socks and
you got to walk on those gross airport floors. What
do you think the last time was the TSA line
floor was mopped up. I think it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Hey, look, this is how you beat viruses. You got
to expose yourself to the to the grit and grime.
This is why you bare feet people. I think we
live longer because we are more attuned with like fighting
off viruses. Because we just walk around with bare feet.
We're exposing ourselves all the time. In all seriousness, this
(21:58):
is one of the stories they say about allergies have
gotten so bad. Have you read some of these theories
that the reason why kids today are allergic to so
much more, every generation is allergic to more is actually
because we live in such sterile, clean environments that kids
today are not coming into contact with the same amount
(22:21):
of antigens ish for lack of a better term, that
they would have before. And so that's one reason for
its pathogens, Right, antigens pathogens?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't know, Maybe it's antigens.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Are they just two different types of the same thing.
I'm not the science on the right.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Antigen a toxic or other foreign substance with which induces
an immune response. You're right, antigen not pathogens. Sorry you
keep going.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, now you've got me confused, because I'm like, what's
the difference between an antigen and a pathogen? But I
do think like every kid, every generation of kids has
gotten way more allergic to peanuts, for instance, right, Like
they don't even have peanuts on airplanes now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, So a pathogen is a disease causing organism, bacteria, virus, fungus,
and antigen is just a thing that triggers an immune response,
So antigen is actually the more proper. There you go,
mister Clay. There you got our hack to you, sir.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And everybody just got better at sat vocab out there.
Who's out for school for the summer. You should be
able to get that correct now. But you know, it
used to be in like nineteen eighty nobody had buying
large peanut allergies. And now we sit here in twenty
twenty five, forty five years later, and they can't even
pass out peanuts on airplanes anymore because there might be
(23:39):
an allergy there. How does that happen? Well, I think
it's frankly because we're not exposing kids to these antigens.
But on the larger context here, I think TSA is
an I know a lot of you are TSA agents,
because I meet a lot of TSA agents going in
(24:02):
and out of airports that listen to the show and
or consume the comments we go through to get on
airplanes and taking off your shoes and taking your laptop
out of your bag and things like that, and now
you have to have the real id to fly. None
of it feels to me like it's making us very
(24:22):
much safer, and I think many people have always seen
I know I was. I remember the shoe bomber whatever
his name was, Richard Richard back in the day, tried
to light his shoes on fire on a flight I
think from Europe to the United States, if I remember correctly.
But I just feel like all of that kind of
(24:45):
conspired to make people trust the larger security.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Apparatus less instead of more.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And the data actually reflects people get through with weapons
all the time, you know, when they the tests on,
Hey like I've got an actual gun, an actual gun,
which you would think, like, hey, maybe your nail clippers,
we don't need to worry about so much. But an
actual gun, let's try to stop that from happening. They
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still get through an actually scary amount of time even
with existing TSA.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, this is true.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So I don't know what the long range solution is
here long term, but I do feel like this is
an improvement, and on a positive level, I think it
will probably cut lines by a quarter or a third
because everything will just be way more efficient without having
to make people take their shoes off and walk through
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and wait for it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Not to interrupt our shoe security discussion, but we will
have now we've been conferred, it's been confirmed by his team.
The Energy Secretary will join us at two o'clock because
he just got out of the rather lengthy Trump Cabinet
meeting which covered a lot of ground, which we're bringing
you the highlights of it. I think we're doing a
great service for bringing you the highlights because otherwise you
(26:07):
have to spend most of your day listening to the
entirety of the drum Cabinet meeting. So we will have
the Energy Secretary, which will be an exciting discussion, and
you don't have to take your shoes off anymore now
in the normal line. And yes, it is true Clay
that sometimes the TSA pre line is in fact worse
than the just I'm a person who wants to fly line,
(26:29):
so you gotta you gotta pick your you gotta pick
your line here in Miami, which I will say is
one of the worst airports in America for any city.
I think it's probably a top five worst airport. It's
one of the few things about Miami that I really
it's just a big, big, l big loss is the
airport here, and there's many different airport is a disaster.
(26:51):
It's a disaster. It's a terrible airport, and the city
of Miami needs to figure out.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And let me say this too, Fort Lauderdale better, I
think in terms of getting able to get in and out.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Also an awful airport. Palm Beach Airport is the one
you want to go to if you're looking for a
nice airport around here. You know, there's like a string
quartet playing when you land. There's a butler's named Jeeves
who are hanging or who are handing out little little
nibbles of cavia. Are very civilized in the Palm Beach Airport.
But Miami, you know, you can get some uh some
(27:25):
Cuban coffee. But the airport itself is not good Miami.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It seems like it was designed the airport to make
you have to walk the longest.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Boss possible distance at all times. Yes, and it has
the worst It has the worst food, the worst design.
It looks like it, you know, as a nineteen seventies
time warp. So yeah, if you have a good airport, lucky.
I saw actually a ranking of the best airports in
the car I saw this. The Washington Post ranked them.
Do you have an airport you fly into and you're like, man,
this is a great Now some airports are tiny, and
(27:55):
I don't count those like you know, I've lit at
the Criminal I will say it is pretty impress can't
at it well.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Guardia used to be like a the greyhound bus terminal.
I hated going there. It's really nice now Nashville has
done a good job on I think redoing much of it.
Very civilized. You guys have a good air Yeah, it's
a it's a pretty good airport. I actually think National
Airport is the best in DC in terms of proximity
(28:24):
to being able to get in and out of the city.
I actually think National is one of the best. Uh
this would be. I mean, I feel like I've been
to almost every major airport at some point in time,
and I'll tell you a Salt Lake City has a
great airport. I'm trying to think of the other ones
that I've been to recently where Now some cities have
multiple airports, so that can get a little bit complicated.
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Denver's airports in the middle of nowhere. It's actually very
nice airport when you actually get there. Dallas is generally
actually O'Hair, I know, gets a lot of hate. I know,
O'Hair gets a ton of hate dolls if they make
you get on like a people mover to get to
the terminals, like dulls, you have to get on the
people mover.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Orlando not very well designed. You have to get on
the people movers.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Vegas a lot of top Vegas is oh Vegas is ugly,
not surprising, but pretty depressing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Airport Portland has, according to the Post, had a very
nice airport. We got Trump weighing in here on you
see that that's a hard turn back into the news.
That's how we roll here. We got Trump weighing in
on the Putin situation. From Portland to Putin. We cover
all the ground here. This is caught thirty two. You
can tell Trump is getting very frustrated with the leader
(29:38):
of Russia. Listen to this one play it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
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Speaker 2 (29:45):
We get we get. We get a lot of vote.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Thrown at us by Pootin for you want to know
the truth. It is very nice all the time, but
it turns out to be meaningless.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Lensagram has a sanctions bill on Russia.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Do you want to move I'm looking at it. Yeah,
I'm can have sentaed as passing and passed a very
very tough sanctions to go. Yeah, I'm looking at It's
an optional bill. It's totally at my option. They passed
it totally at my option, and to terminate totally at
my option, and I'm looking at it very strongly.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
The plan so far with Russia to stop this bloodshed
in Ukraine Clay has not worked. So Trump is now
looking at the pressure points that he can use in
the alternatives to get Putin to stop. But it's been
going in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Are we still have they given up on the Trump
as a Russian asset or is this still something they
say on the left.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Now you don't hear it as much.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You don't hear it as much because hes probably still
pretty critical of Putin in the first six months, and
now he's like the readout on Zolensky and the resources
we're giving is that Trump's relationship with Zolensky is on
a better ground than his relationship with Putin. Remember is
only in February where we had to blow up in
the Oval office and everybody he was convinced oh, this
(31:01):
is Manchurian candidate Trump. I just I can't keep up
with who exactly Trump is an asset of So I
just I'm curious what the latest is on left wing
swamp fever dreams. Yeah, I'll we'll get We'll bring you
more of this here momentarily. And then also we got
the Energy secretary coming up here.
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Coming up here in just a second. Anna in Raleigh,
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Speaker 4 (33:49):
Like everybody in the country knows that as soon as
Trump won the election that they started destroying not Trump
Baden Baden administration started destroying all the Epstein evidence. They
knew Trump was going to go there, They knew he
was coming to get it.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So let me first of all, I think that the
intelligence asset thing is likely true. I think there's evidence
for that, and that would make sense why some of
it is destroyed. What do you think is in the
Epstein files that should be made public?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Anna, oh boy, all of it? Yeah? Yeah? Okay, but
but but specifically okay, so I understand that, but I'm saying, like, okay,
but that are.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Alive, because here's the thing. The best way to keep
somebody alive and you're getting information out of is to
make believe or make everybody believe that he's dead. So
I don't care about that part. It's the rest of it.
Why haven't they arrested anybody for destroying that evidence?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
So getting away with her email, let's say.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Okay, but so who.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Like the FB or the head of the FBI in
New York to start?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay, we gotten fired, Okay, Clay.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
So my question is, and again this question out there
at large, who do you believe has committed crimes? And
what crimes do you think have been committed that are
being covered up? Most of what I have seen and
I'm curious is, oh, these were rich guys and they
(35:36):
were sleeping with maybe underage girls. I think that is
that fair to say that that is the number one thing?
And so, okay, you believe that all of that has
been covered up to what benefit.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Control?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, I appreciate, we appreciate the call. Thank you very much, Clay.
I just now on the witness stand Clay and the
cross examination, lawyer Clay getting feisty.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I just want to like, what is the end result
here that is being protected. In other words, conspiracies exist
to protect people. The protection here is rich guys slept
with women. Most of the time it appears over eighteen
years old women, sometimes sixteen or seventeen year olds, And
(36:37):
this is what the government is desperate to protect.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Doesn't add up to me.
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show spice a
lot of different things to dive into. We'll see whether
any of you want to weigh in. I'm sure that
there will be some on the Epstein situation. We've got
(00:21):
Energy Secretary Chris Wright at the bottom of this hour
and then Selena Zito at the bottom of the next.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hour, and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Like I do think we could have an even more
interesting conversation here the way we finished the hour talking
about the Epstein situation.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I was thinking about it more during the commercial break.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Too, And I think a lot of times, what is
it Ockham's razor that says essentially the most likely and
I'm paraphrasing here for some of you that are that
are geniuses, but basically the most likely answer is often true, right,
the simplest and simplest. Yeah, And so let me just
(01:08):
kind of dive into Epstein for a moment here and
tell you what I think the simplest answer more here
we go. Well, I just think there's a lot of
morons that are extremely active, in particular on social media,
and I think they're actually.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Someone say something mean to you on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Just now.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'll fight them. I'll fight them no.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean, look, it doesn't impact uh, it doesn't impact me.
But I do think when you're coming after guys like
Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, those guys, let me just
focus on Bongino specifically, Dan Bongino, whatever you want to
think about the job that he's doing, gave up a
(01:49):
multimillion dollar job to go serve his country at the FBI.
And I don't think there's very many people that are
willing to do that. I don't think there's very many
people out there that are making millions of dollars a
year and say, you know what, I'm going to give
that up and I will make one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a year or whatever the deputy FBI salary is,
(02:11):
I don't know. And I'm going to move to Washington, DC,
and I'm going to work sixteen hours a day, seven
days a week, and I'm going to do my best
to try to make the country as safe as I
possibly can. And then over an Epstein situation, people are like, oh,
you can't trust that guy anymore. I mean, I think, frankly,
your morons if you're making that argument, And let me
(02:33):
explain why. I think you're morons, because I just want
to dive into what is actually the most likely thing here.
This guy Epstein was able to somehow get into a
relationship with the owner of Victoria's Secret was then able
to get super hot girls that are victorious secret models
(02:56):
at all these events that he would then start to create,
and as a result, he was able to get extremely
rich and powerful men access to those women, and he
took advantage of it, and UH intelligence agencies found out
that he had this connection to the honeypot scheme and
(03:18):
they started to leverage what he was doing as well. Okay,
that to me seems like the most likely game that
he was running. And also in the meantime that he
had a series of sexual peccadillos that led him.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Like down the rabbit hole of of of of poor
decision making. He did demonic, He did demonic personal stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He had a then a cadre as he became more wealthy,
he had a cadre of people that basically were willing
to procure girls for him, like this judge, the the
what's the.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ga Maxwell who's in prison?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes, basically all the stories of this appear to be
that she was his procure he would see a pretty
girl and he would be like, Hey, I'm rich, go
find that pretty girl. And she brought all these girls
constantly in his work.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think you think that if you keep laying this
out in a rational and systematic fashion, that you're going
to calm some of the more extreme theories online. And I,
I as as your as your chief consoliari, will tell
you that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, So my law my flaw, and some of you
may have recognized it, and I may have many flaws.
Is I think if I basically put on my warrior
hat and just lay out the facts, that I can
convince almost anyone of anything. Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And that's where maybe I'm sometimes wrong, but I'm not.
You're not. You're not putting a dent in the kind
of stuff that people are saying online. I'm here to
put it so.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But so for there are reasonable persuadable people out there.
So that is the argument. On one side, there is
a rich, power orful guy who has access to young
pretty girls and he is able to leverage that to
make more money by bringing those young pretty girls into
the circle into that of rich old guys. Bill Clinton
(05:15):
probably not easy for him, to meet Victoria's secret supermodels.
I wouldn't think on his own Epstein is the pathway
through which that occurs. Okay, that's one theory. That is
my theory. That is what I think is the most rational.
The Other theory, what I would say is frankly crazy
town theory, is Jeffrey Epstein in some way is being
(05:38):
protected by every powerful person in government, Democrat and Republican
for what like that everybody gets a secret decoder ring
when they come into the government, and of all the
things that you would get, not like, hey, where are
(05:58):
the aliens? Not like hey, who killed JFK or MLK
or all these things that you suddenly get sworn in
with your secret which Buck has already done. Obviously this
is satire, but Buck already did this years ago when
he got his secret decoder ring when he joined the
CIA a long time ago. He can't tell you about it.
But you think that that really goes on. You really
(06:20):
think that Dan Bongino worked his whole life to build
an audience and then left the money that he was
making to go to the FBI, got his secret decoder ring,
and now he wants to cover for Jeffrey Epstein. And
Cash Ptel did it, and Pam Bondi did it, and
all of the other and Merrit.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Garland did it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You really think that that's what's going on, That there's
some grand conspiracy and the one that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
They're gonna rine out right is Jeffrey Epstein. I mean,
is this counselor You've made your case, all right?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You mean, but there is no rational The conspiracy see
theory here is irrational. Now your point is it messy
that there's a minute missing of the Epstein and that
they didn't tell us until people figured it out. That's
bad practice, not just that, also that they managed to
(07:20):
have a guard go to sleep, and that the camera
has warned one of the cameras on the suicide.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean, and it's the only person who have ever
committed suicide in the history in the history of the
Manhattan Correctional Center, which has held top federal criminal defendants
for a very long time, including very scary, very bad people.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That I think is strange. And there's nothing wrong with
things being strange. And even if you wanted to argue, hey,
Epstein didn't kill himself, I don't think that's a crazy
town perspective to take you.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Just spent some time trying to calm the lions down,
and now you're just kick in a t bone steak
into the lions. Then, buddy, you're not You're not gonna
put this one to bed today. I'm telling you. It's
not how I just I just think it is.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Sometimes just sit back and think rationally, how many series
of things have to be true in order for your
story to be true versus the story that I told
to me.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
All right, That's what the whole purpose of a jury is.
So I just send your send your emails and send
us your your talkbacks if you have an answer to
that question, or if you if you want to take
issue with Clay. Now I'm I'm feeling Trump on this one.
I think we should do some news of the day to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Let me say this also on the Epstein, because this
is news of the day. I don't think Trump is
doing I don't think Trump did a good job answering
the question that he got about Epstein today because I
think it's just going to lead more conspiracies out there.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think Trump should sit down and just say what
I said.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You think the whole government's protecting a a.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know, pedophile. No, like this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The conspiracy theories don't add up based on the individuals
who are involved. All right, So Trump, is he still
talking by the way, at the cabinet meeting?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Because we started off the show saying he's still going. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We started off the show saying, Hey, should we go
to the Trump Cabinet meeting live? And I said to Buck,
he may talk for an hour and a half. We
would just be sitting here, like, how are we going
to know when to jump in and out of it?
He still is going, and it is pretty crazy, and uh,
and it's wild to me. I mean, it is absolutely
(09:37):
wild that that he is still going. But more power
to him, more credit to him. And the latest is
that he's gonna be going Friday down to Texas. What's
the other news that has come out? Is there anything
else major that has come out? There's there's other stuff
that has come out. We need to talk more.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think about Trump saying that we're gonna have to
send more weapons to Ukraine. I think that's a pretty
big deal. Trump's talking about Mamdani right now, Mamdanni, the
Kami and the fake African American. You know, So he's
talking about that we'll bring you that clip. In a second,
Trump's saying We've got to send more weapons in Ukraine.
I think it's a big deal. We had an ICE
officer shot in the neck by left wing naniacs, the
(10:18):
second ambush against ICE in the last couple of days,
which I want to spend some time on and bring
everybody up to speed on those stories. Uh, one that
I think you'll you'll get fired about Clay and we
can handle this one quickly. A federal judge has blocked
the defunding of Planned Parenthood in the Big Beautiful Bill.
A federal judge has just come out I think it's
(10:40):
an she's an Obama appointee, and said you can't defund
planned Parenthood. Congress, this is pure judicial supremacy, lunacy. I mean,
there's not even a fig leaf of legal analysis going
into it at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well before they passed the be the Big Beautiful Bill,
you argue, Hey, how does a president's signing of an
executive order impact the overall analysis of that bill by
a federal district court judge. Congress passed it, the president
(11:15):
signed it into law. So now the obstacle to shut
down anything the executive branch is doing is that you're
also overriding congressional authority in doing so as well, and
you're doing it at a federal district court level as
opposed to even a circuit court level or a Supreme
(11:36):
court level.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
These judges have just lost their minds.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And frankly, there are six hundred and eighty of them
or whatever the heck it is federal district court judges
somewhere just south of seven hundred, and they all have
lifetime tenure, and so there is no fear that if
they misbehave from a legal perspective, that they're ever going
(12:01):
to lose their jobs. Like, what are the consequences here? Frankly,
I think, and I say this again as the lawyer,
there is a value to impeaching federal district court judges
who are issuing flagrantly illegal opinions. And I think there
would be some benefit in understanding. I frankly don't think
(12:24):
that giving somebody lifetime tenure is a good decision. I
think if you give somebody, look, congressmen run every two years,
every four years for the president, every six years for
a senator. Why can't we say that judges get twenty
year terms. I mean that seems somewhat rational. I can
accept the argument of the Supreme Court because to me,
(12:47):
that is a more rational idea. Hey, they are the
supreme law of the land. You want them to have
tenure for life. But I don't know that federal district
court judges need tenure for life. I don't buy that
that's necessary in order to get those jobs.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That they clearly need to be rained in. Even more
substantially than what we've seen with the Supreme Court so far,
this is out of control. They are sabotaging government. When
the United States Congress is funding something, and then the
United States Congress decides, hey, we have the power of
the purse. The President signed this. This is all on
(13:27):
the up and up through the system. We're not going
to fund this anymore that a federal judge could say
you have to keep funding. That means that federal judge
is above the President and the United States Congress. One
little federal judge, and that's what we're supposed to accept.
That is complete madness. And if this continues, you just
(13:49):
see it is subverting our system of government. And because
it destroys any faith we have in the judiciary and
the rule of law, I mean, these people are completely nuts.
It's like the wackiest, the wackiest third tier MSNBC hosts
are federal judges all over the country now appointed by
Obama and Biden.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, and I think this is where they have emerged
as the actual resistance two point zero. And they don't
care because there are no consequences for being wrong when
you get.
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Overturned, and there is no other real resistance. The Democrats
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All right, welcome back into Clay and back you're talking
or we're going to be talking rather to the Energy
secretary in just a couple of minutes here about plans
to maybe that cabinet meeting may never end. Oh, that's right,
I just realized he's in the cabinet meeting. Okay, so
maybe we'll talk to him in an hour. I don't know,
we'll see. He might be with us. But we've also
got Trump here in that cabinet meeting, which is still
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Speaker 3 (16:37):
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because that shows you where the Democrats have gone. He
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He actually called me at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
He's concerned his stores are going to be taken from
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he wants to run his own grocery stores. Now, this
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other than he's got a good line of bullshit and
he's convinced them.
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If you go with him, yeah, it's good analysis. I
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And the more and more that comes out about Mom Donnie, frankly,
the more and more of a liar and fraud he
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media is trying to give him now is pretty pretty
crazy for a guy who doesn't have any power now
(17:41):
for them to be covering for him. We'll talk about that.
We'll see if the Energy Secretary can join us. We'll
also play some of the talkbacks, as I have brilliantly
proven that anyone who disagrees with me is a moron
and how could you possibly disagree?
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buck Sexton show. All right, we'll play some of your
react again. I have brilliantly explained why the Epstein case
(19:04):
is really frankly based on all the logic about a
guy who got rich by being able to provide young,
attractive women to people who were also rich, and that
may well have led to relationships with intelligence agencies, and
so far that does not seem to have quelled the
(19:26):
crazy brigade. So the crazy brigade is welcome to call
in eight hundred and two two two eight A two
and argue that the entire government has conspired to protect
Jeffrey Epstein. But I did want to say something incredibly positive.
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(20:13):
now longer than the regular line, like when I flew
back from Florida recently. Every time I go into my
Florida airport, the line is longer to go through pre
check than it is to go through standard. And that
sometimes happens at lots of different airports out there across
the country.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But would you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Agree with me that it was almost universally hated that
you had to take your shoes off, and it was
one of the things that any government employee would make
you do that regardless of how you vote. Everybody was
like this is absurd and ridiculous. Yes, it was degrading
and it felt preposterous.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And the whole thing to me was always look a
lot of the TA say stuffice theater, and there was
a lot of TSA the A lot of things that
TSA have done and we're doing reminds me of the
way that COVID was handled on some level, like we're
just going to do things so that people think that
we're doing things. But the people I always felt bad
for weren't just the I have to remove my shoes people, Clay.
(21:19):
It was the people who weren't wearing socks. That's just
feel that just feels icky. You know, you have to
kick off your your birken stocks with no socks and
you got to walk on those gross airport floors. What
do you think the last time was the TSA line
floor was mopped up. I think it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Hey, look, this is how you beat viruses. You got
to expose yourself to the to the grit and grime.
This is why you bare feet people. I think we
live longer because we are more attuned with like fighting
off viruses. Because we just walk around with bare feet.
We're exposing ourselves all the time. In all seriousness, this
(21:58):
is one of the stories they say about allergies have
gotten so bad. Have you read some of these theories
that the reason why kids today are allergic to so
much more, every generation is allergic to more is actually
because we live in such sterile, clean environments that kids
today are not coming into contact with the same amount
(22:21):
of antigens ish for lack of a better term, that
they would have before. And so that's one reason for
its pathogens, Right, antigens pathogens?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't know, Maybe it's antigens.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Are they just two different types of the same thing.
I'm not the science on the right.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Antigen a toxic or other foreign substance with which induces
an immune response. You're right, antigen not pathogens. Sorry you
keep going.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, now you've got me confused, because I'm like, what's
the difference between an antigen and a pathogen? But I
do think like every kid, every generation of kids has
gotten way more allergic to peanuts, for instance, right, Like
they don't even have peanuts on airplanes now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, So a pathogen is a disease causing organism, bacteria, virus, fungus,
and antigen is just a thing that triggers an immune response,
So antigen is actually the more proper. There you go,
mister Clay. There you got our hack to you, sir.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And everybody just got better at sat vocab out there.
Who's out for school for the summer. You should be
able to get that correct now. But you know, it
used to be in like nineteen eighty nobody had buying
large peanut allergies. And now we sit here in twenty
twenty five, forty five years later, and they can't even
pass out peanuts on airplanes anymore because there might be
(23:39):
an allergy there. How does that happen? Well, I think
it's frankly because we're not exposing kids to these antigens.
But on the larger context here, I think TSA is
an I know a lot of you are TSA agents,
because I meet a lot of TSA agents going in
(24:02):
and out of airports that listen to the show and
or consume the comments we go through to get on
airplanes and taking off your shoes and taking your laptop
out of your bag and things like that, and now
you have to have the real id to fly. None
of it feels to me like it's making us very
(24:22):
much safer, and I think many people have always seen
I know I was. I remember the shoe bomber whatever
his name was, Richard Richard back in the day, tried
to light his shoes on fire on a flight I
think from Europe to the United States, if I remember correctly.
But I just feel like all of that kind of
(24:45):
conspired to make people trust the larger security.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Apparatus less instead of more.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And the data actually reflects people get through with weapons
all the time, you know, when they the tests on,
Hey like I've got an actual gun, an actual gun,
which you would think, like, hey, maybe your nail clippers,
we don't need to worry about so much. But an
actual gun, let's try to stop that from happening. They
(25:12):
still get through an actually scary amount of time even
with existing TSA.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, this is true.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So I don't know what the long range solution is
here long term, but I do feel like this is
an improvement, and on a positive level, I think it
will probably cut lines by a quarter or a third
because everything will just be way more efficient without having
to make people take their shoes off and walk through
(25:43):
and wait for it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Not to interrupt our shoe security discussion, but we will
have now we've been conferred, it's been confirmed by his team.
The Energy Secretary will join us at two o'clock because
he just got out of the rather lengthy Trump Cabinet
meeting which covered a lot of ground, which we're bringing
you the highlights of it. I think we're doing a
great service for bringing you the highlights because otherwise you
(26:07):
have to spend most of your day listening to the
entirety of the drum Cabinet meeting. So we will have
the Energy Secretary, which will be an exciting discussion, and
you don't have to take your shoes off anymore now
in the normal line. And yes, it is true Clay
that sometimes the TSA pre line is in fact worse
than the just I'm a person who wants to fly line,
(26:29):
so you gotta you gotta pick your you gotta pick
your line here in Miami, which I will say is
one of the worst airports in America for any city.
I think it's probably a top five worst airport. It's
one of the few things about Miami that I really
it's just a big, big, l big loss is the
airport here, and there's many different airport is a disaster.
(26:51):
It's a disaster. It's a terrible airport, and the city
of Miami needs to figure out.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And let me say this too, Fort Lauderdale better, I
think in terms of getting able to get in and out.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Also an awful airport. Palm Beach Airport is the one
you want to go to if you're looking for a
nice airport around here. You know, there's like a string
quartet playing when you land. There's a butler's named Jeeves
who are hanging or who are handing out little little
nibbles of cavia. Are very civilized in the Palm Beach Airport.
But Miami, you know, you can get some uh some
(27:25):
Cuban coffee. But the airport itself is not good Miami.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It seems like it was designed the airport to make
you have to walk the longest.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Boss possible distance at all times. Yes, and it has
the worst It has the worst food, the worst design.
It looks like it, you know, as a nineteen seventies
time warp. So yeah, if you have a good airport, lucky.
I saw actually a ranking of the best airports in
the car I saw this. The Washington Post ranked them.
Do you have an airport you fly into and you're like, man,
this is a great Now some airports are tiny, and
(27:55):
I don't count those like you know, I've lit at
the Criminal I will say it is pretty impress can't
at it well.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Guardia used to be like a the greyhound bus terminal.
I hated going there. It's really nice now Nashville has
done a good job on I think redoing much of it.
Very civilized. You guys have a good air Yeah, it's
a it's a pretty good airport. I actually think National
Airport is the best in DC in terms of proximity
(28:24):
to being able to get in and out of the city.
I actually think National is one of the best. Uh
this would be. I mean, I feel like I've been
to almost every major airport at some point in time,
and I'll tell you a Salt Lake City has a
great airport. I'm trying to think of the other ones
that I've been to recently where Now some cities have
multiple airports, so that can get a little bit complicated.
(28:46):
Denver's airports in the middle of nowhere. It's actually very
nice airport when you actually get there. Dallas is generally
actually O'Hair, I know, gets a lot of hate. I know,
O'Hair gets a ton of hate dolls if they make
you get on like a people mover to get to
the terminals, like dulls, you have to get on the
people mover.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Orlando not very well designed. You have to get on
the people movers.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Vegas a lot of top Vegas is oh Vegas is ugly,
not surprising, but pretty depressing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Airport Portland has, according to the Post, had a very
nice airport. We got Trump weighing in here on you
see that that's a hard turn back into the news.
That's how we roll here. We got Trump weighing in
on the Putin situation. From Portland to Putin. We cover
all the ground here. This is caught thirty two. You
can tell Trump is getting very frustrated with the leader
(29:38):
of Russia. Listen to this one play it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
That was a war that should have happened, and a
lot of people are dying and it should end. And
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We get we get. We get a lot of vote.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Thrown at us by Pootin for you want to know
the truth. It is very nice all the time, but
it turns out to be meaningless.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Lensagram has a sanctions bill on Russia.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Do you want to move I'm looking at it. Yeah,
I'm can have sentaed as passing and passed a very
very tough sanctions to go. Yeah, I'm looking at It's
an optional bill. It's totally at my option. They passed
it totally at my option, and to terminate totally at
my option, and I'm looking at it very strongly.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
The plan so far with Russia to stop this bloodshed
in Ukraine Clay has not worked. So Trump is now
looking at the pressure points that he can use in
the alternatives to get Putin to stop. But it's been
going in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Are we still have they given up on the Trump
as a Russian asset or is this still something they
say on the left.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Now you don't hear it as much.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You don't hear it as much because hes probably still
pretty critical of Putin in the first six months, and
now he's like the readout on Zolensky and the resources
we're giving is that Trump's relationship with Zolensky is on
a better ground than his relationship with Putin. Remember is
only in February where we had to blow up in
the Oval office and everybody he was convinced oh, this
(31:01):
is Manchurian candidate Trump. I just I can't keep up
with who exactly Trump is an asset of So I
just I'm curious what the latest is on left wing
swamp fever dreams. Yeah, I'll we'll get We'll bring you
more of this here momentarily. And then also we got
the Energy secretary coming up here.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
At the top talk about how we're gonna be I
assume there's gonna be a lot of drill, baby drill
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We want some things that actually work, a little less
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got the Secretary
of Energy coming up here in a few minutes. It's
so important. Energy is uh something that we all need
for the economy to be really operating well, operating at all,
start with that, but operating at the full throttle that
we want under Trump. Gotta have an energy policy that
is aligned with the goals of this administration and with
(33:31):
the American people. So that's really really important. And uh yeah,
I would recommend that everyone stick around for that one.
Coming up here in just a second. Anna in Raleigh,
North Carolina wants to talk to us. What's up? Anna, Hey, guys, So.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Like everybody in the country knows that as soon as
Trump won the election that they started destroying not Trump
Baden Baden administration started destroying all the Epstein evidence. They
knew Trump was going to go there, They knew he
was coming to get it.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So let me first of all, I think that the
intelligence asset thing is likely true. I think there's evidence
for that, and that would make sense why some of
it is destroyed. What do you think is in the
Epstein files that should be made public?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Anna, oh boy, all of it? Yeah? Yeah? Okay, but
but but specifically okay, so I understand that, but I'm saying, like, okay,
but that are.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Alive, because here's the thing. The best way to keep
somebody alive and you're getting information out of is to
make believe or make everybody believe that he's dead. So
I don't care about that part. It's the rest of it.
Why haven't they arrested anybody for destroying that evidence?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
So getting away with her email, let's say.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Okay, but so who.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Like the FB or the head of the FBI in
New York to start?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay, we gotten fired, Okay, Clay.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
So my question is, and again this question out there
at large, who do you believe has committed crimes? And
what crimes do you think have been committed that are
being covered up? Most of what I have seen and
I'm curious is, oh, these were rich guys and they
(35:36):
were sleeping with maybe underage girls. I think that is
that fair to say that that is the number one thing?
And so, okay, you believe that all of that has
been covered up to what benefit.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Control?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, I appreciate, we appreciate the call. Thank you very much, Clay.
I just now on the witness stand Clay and the
cross examination, lawyer Clay getting feisty.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I just want to like, what is the end result
here that is being protected. In other words, conspiracies exist
to protect people. The protection here is rich guys slept
with women. Most of the time it appears over eighteen
years old women, sometimes sixteen or seventeen year olds, And
(36:37):
this is what the government is desperate to protect.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Doesn't add up to me.
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