May 30, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a deep dive into the current state of the FBI under the leadership of President Donald Trump, featuring an in-depth interview with former FBI Special Agent and Fox News contributor Nicole Parker. The hour centers on the internal reform efforts underway at the Bureau, led by Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan, both of whom are described as committed patriots aligned with the Trump administration’s law-and-order agenda. Nicole Parker provides firsthand insight into the cultural and operational divide within the FBI, distinguishing between “FBI One”—agents focused on upholding the Constitution—and “FBI Two”—those accused of politically weaponizing the agency. She emphasizes the need for patience as the Trump administration works to root out entrenched bureaucratic issues that have festered since the Obama era, citing the failures of former Director Christopher Wray to enact meaningful change. The conversation also addresses the FBI’s shift away from social activism under the Biden administration, including a rollback of official Pride Month activities, signaling a renewed focus on core law enforcement duties. Parker applauds the transparency efforts of the current leadership, particularly their willingness to release information to Congress and the public, including updates on high-profile cases like Jeffrey Epstein’s death and the FBI’s role on January 6th. The hosts and Parker also explore the broader implications of political bias within federal agencies, the challenges of restoring public trust, and the importance of accountability in government service. They discuss the cultural transformation needed within the FBI and the intelligence community, drawing parallels to the CIA and the impact of diversity-focused hiring practices initiated during the Obama years. Additional segments include commentary on the Trump administration’s legal strategies, including efforts to end birthright citizenship and challenge university policies on foreign student funding and speech suppression. The hour concludes with a preview of an upcoming press conference featuring President Trump and Elon Musk, and a lighthearted debate over the latest Mission: Impossible film.
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kicks off right now. What's going on at the FBI deo?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You ask for miracles?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I give you the FB I well, other miracles need
it over there? And do all of you love die
Hard as much as I do and as much as
Clay does. Let's talk to Nicole Parker. She is formerly
an FBI, a special agent of many many years, and
a Fox News contributor.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Nicole, great to have you back on.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Thank you so much. I always love to join y'all.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Happy Friday, Happy Friday year chef fellow in Miami in
two which is very exciting, very exciting, so people are saying, Nicole,
one of the greatest places, one of the greatest places
in America, Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We're loving it. I'm very yeah, No, it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You get a little soft here though, right like you
because you can just you can just walk around and
flip flops and a T shirt all the time. I
gotta sometimes go up to places where they actually have
to dress for the seasons now, just to remember what
it's like. So tell me this for first up here,
something that I'm a little surprised that. I'll just tell
you this. I was on Fox yesterday and they asked me,
(01:36):
I forget I asked me a couple of things, but
one of the things they asked about was director Patel
and deputy director Bongino. I'm just gonna say, uh, you
know Cash and Dan from from here on out, just
because that's how I think of them, and I'm gonna
mess up otherwise. Right, but Cash and Dan are running
the uh the FBI, your your old outfit of many years,
your career FBI, And I was saying. They asked me,
(01:57):
I said, how do you think it's going with these two?
And I said, look, I know both of these guys.
I know that they're serious people, and they're patriots and
their fighters, and they're all on board with the Trump agenda,
and I think they just should get what they're asking for,
which is more time to make the reforms needed. I'm
going to tell you, Nicole, I got a lot of
(02:18):
pushback from our side. I mean from our people. Not
forget about like we're not even talking. We try not
to waste too much time on the Trump deranged right. No,
I'm talking about our team. I'm talking about people that
voted for Trump and they are like wondering if everything's
going the way it should with the reforms. I can
I pass this off to you because I have a
(02:39):
lot of faith in Dan, and I have a lot
of faith in Cash.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Right, I did too. I do too, And I can
tell you having worked there and I've seen things firsthand
and I've talked to you about it on your program.
There really were two fbis. There was FBI one, the
people that were just trying to do honest, good hard
work protecting the American people uphold the Constitution in a
fair and unbiased manner. And then there was FBI too,
(03:07):
those that politically and socially weaponized the FBI, starting at
the very top in high level positions at the bureau,
and it trickled down all the way down to support
staff level members in different field offices. So I'm telling
you straight up, there are such good people. I work
shoulder to shoulder with them, and they're sacrificing a lot
(03:28):
to serve our country. But there are a lot of
not good people that were at the FBI as well.
And I have to tell you that a problem like that,
it did not start overnight, and it's not going to
be solved overnight either. And so for Dan and Cash
to get in there and work as hard as they
have in just a few months, I am impressed. And
(03:48):
I understand that people like to see results. We're in
a world where we want immediate satisfaction. We want to
see things now. But the reality of the situation is
it takes time. And if you're going to solve the
problem properly, there's a lot to dig into and it
does take time. What you don't see on the outside,
and having worked there, personnel matters, for example, that the
(04:09):
FBI are kept very confidential, HR matters, personal matters, movements
of individuals, accountability, tangible consequences, very rarely do you hear
about that in the public eye. Doesn't mean that it's
not happening behind the scenes, and so to give them
full credit for their efforts, I do want to say
that we're going to need to be patient, but it
(04:31):
doesn't mean because we're not seeing immediate results that it's
not happening. And I think it is fair to give
them some time to fix a problem. In my opinion,
I saw it start in twenty sixteen, so we're talking
all of ten years of things that never were resolved.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Jim com fired No go.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Ahead, go ahead, sorry, So.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Jim Comey was fired obviously. In May twenty seventeen, Christopher
Ray came in as the next director, and I can
tell you that BI agents were hoping we director Ray
please clean up this place. He did not. He did
not clean up that place. So it festerred for that
many more years, and now they're coming in trying to
clean up stuff that happened over ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, I was just going to say, I know, and
I'm in the Agency CIA for now fifteen years. I've
been doing media, but just based on my five years
there and what I saw during the War on Terror,
which was I would say the absolute peak of the
agency's sense of mission cohesion and everything else. But already,
because I stayed through the beginning of the Obama administration,
(05:34):
you could see some of these pieces coming into place, where, oh,
this is getting real political. The notion that as much
faith as I have in Tulsi as DNI and as
much I don't really know Ratcliffe at all. I'm not
going to pretend like I do. I've never met him,
I don't know what his deal is. But Trump has
faith in him. So that's a good you know, that's
a good start, I think. But I know Tulsi and
as much faith as I have in her in the DNI,
(05:55):
the notion that she'd be able to fix the Intel
community by May of twenty twenty five taking the job
two to three months ago, is I mean, it's preposterous, right,
So that correct? That's kind of my for anyone's like, well,
how would you know what's going on with the FBI
speaking to me, not speaking to you, I just say, well,
I know that you can't fix the CIA in ninety days, guys.
So my sense is the FBI it might even be
(06:17):
a little bit worse. I don't know. I'm tough to
compare these two. You know, it's like comparing Fauci and
Komi is the worst public servants ever.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Right, So let me give you one example of you know,
things that you may not have seen on the outside,
but as an internal FBI employee, the social weaponization at
the FBI was completely off the rails. You know, I
support all different people from all different backgrounds. That is
not the issue. The issue that I had at the
FBI is that it seemed that they were more focused
on social issues than they were of the core mission
(06:45):
of fighting crime. And so just yesterday, and this is
on Fox News, there is an article out that an
email was sent out to FBI employees yesterday regarding upcoming
Pride Month. And under the Biden administry, it was constant
the social discussions, the clubs, the meetings, the groups. There
(07:06):
were like nineteen different social type of clubs at the FBI.
That is not the mission of the FBI. When I
signed up to be an FBI agent, That's not what
I signed on to do. That was not part of
upholding the Constitution and protecting the American people. So for example,
this year, they are saying, look, we respect people of
all different walks of life, but we will not be
(07:26):
having official Pride Month activities at the FBI. We respect
whatever your decisions in life are, but you can do
that on your own time, not on FBI time, and
not on tax pay dollars. That in and of itself
is a huge shift from what I saw, especially in
my last several years at the FBI. So again, it
(07:46):
might seem smaller and significant to the American people, but
I can tell you as an FBI agent, when you
were constantly getting emails about all these social justice warrior
clubs at the agency instead of the actual mission and
fighting crime, it became overwhelming. Anything other than the core
mission is a dangerous distraction in my opinion. And that move,
in and of itself saying going forward, we are going
(08:08):
to focus on the core mission and you can do
your social justice stuff in your own time, That in
and of itself is huge. So that's this one small
example that there are many examples. And one other thing
that I really love about what Cash and Dan are
doing transparency. They are telling the American people as much
as they possibly can. And there was nothing more frustrating
(08:31):
to me when I would watch Christopher Ray testify before Congress,
and every answer he's just never answered anything. And same
with Jim Comey. These guys they're out there saying as
much as they possibly can to inform the American people.
And again we have to respect that there are confidential
things that the FBI and investigations that are ongoing that
(08:52):
would jeopardize the case to discuss. But the fact that
they're releasing constantly new documentation to Congress, They're putting it
out there. You know this Epstein question. They both came
out very frankly and said, you know, Epstein committed suicide.
We have video he was by himself. You know, things
like that that Americans have wondered that no other FBI
(09:13):
director has come out and said as blatantly and directly
as they have.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Can I give you some of these but can I
get get you to react to some of these specifics
because we have some cash recent cash statements made on
Fox director Patel. This has caught nine guys specifically. I
think people want to know about FBI informants. This has
been talked about. Tucker's been pounding this drum for years
because there's a lot of smoke FBI informants in that
(09:39):
crowd on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
This is what Cash said. Play nine.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Former FBI Director Chris Ray eventually admitted to Congress there
were twenty six FBI confidential human sources in around the
Capitol January sixth, but not actual agents. Can you say
that's true?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Are there more than that?
Speaker 7 (09:57):
What you're learning from that? I can say that that
is definitely a piece of the truth. And eventually everybody's
going to know the whole picture. Yeah, because the American
people deserve that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
He says, the American people deserve the whole picture. Now,
my question for you, I've known Cash for years, you know,
I know Cash, right. I have no doubt that that
is his desire to get to that place where we
know the full picture. My question for you, Nicole, is
knowing the infrastructure and the internal workings of the FBI,
(10:29):
could they have already kind of made stuff disappearing. A
lot goes on in the CIA that's spoken written down
on a piece of paper, especially in the abroad places.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You know, is it within his is it within his power.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
At this point to get us the whole picture about
what the FBI and jan six what the involvement.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Was based on that quote? I believe that he is
going to give you as much information as he possibly can,
and it sounds like there is information coming. So people
talk about things disappearing. One thing I did find very
interesting is and the interview that Dan did on Fox
and Friends. He talked about a room that you know,
all of this information that had not been known to
(11:10):
anybody was presented to them and they're going through it now,
and there were certain things that hadn't been digitized. Things
like that. I think, I again, they always say, don't
trust us, just watch the results. But I'm going to
tell you things move slowly, and not because they wanted
to move slowly, because it has to be done perfectly
(11:33):
and articulately and properly. And that is the way that
they're going to gain the trust of the American people,
just saying whatever they can say whenever, no, no, no, no,
it's got to be proper. But again, I think it
takes time, and I don't blame the American people. I
can tell you as an FBI employee, I myself didn't
always trust the FBI. There were a lot of people
(11:54):
in what I referred to as FBI one that really
didn't trust the FBI. The FBI has to regain the
trust of the employees first and foremost, and the American people,
because at the end of the day, the FBI is
for the American people. The American people, you are the boss.
The taxpayers are the boss to the FBI. And there
was a little bit of a culture there that they
(12:15):
always talked about needs of the bureau. No, it's not
needs of the bureau. It's needs of the American people
and the needs of the victims. And I really love
that Cash and Dan have that mentality where they're shifting
the culture in the mindset of the FBI from needs
of the bureau to needs of the American people.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You give me a sense, Give me a sense, Nicole,
if somebody asked me in the CIA during the War
on Terror years. I know you were at the Bureau
during the g y two, right, but during the War
on Terror years, what percentage of case officers politically what
I esked? And this is obviously just perception, right, what
(12:54):
I estimate, I feel like it would be seventy percent
or you know, seventy percent of them right of center,
maybe seventy five percent right of center at least on
the GAT issues. And then if it was analysts, I
would say it was seventy five percent in the other direction,
meaning seventy five percent more left wing, more democrat, you know.
(13:15):
And so there was very clear even within the agency,
different cultures. I want to know from you FORBI, for
the FBI, you know, field agents, who are actually the
ones putting the cuffs on people and everything else, what
percentage of them were about serving the people versus serving
the bureau.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Okay, so again I'm going to just say FBI one
versus FBI two, FBI one the people that are there
to serve the people up pull the constitution in a
parent unbiased manner. Again, I don't know every single FBI agent.
I can just tell you the overarching general thought when
I first joined the bureau in twenty ten, I would
definitely say it was more conservative. As time went on
(13:57):
and the FBI was shifting their recruiting efforts and shifting
what they were looking for.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Even in it's always HR it all all the communism
starts in HR.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Well, it's it's really the shift and focus on the
diversity program that Obama really started heavy in the federal government,
and that definitely trickled into the FBI. I would say
that the culture definitely did change from the time that
I had joined till the time that I left. But
I would agree that you know, just in my experience,
(14:27):
the agents, those that are actually putting the handcuffs on
enforcing laws, you know, doing the arrest, they tend to
be more right leaning maybe, And again that's a generalization, okay,
and your right support staff analysts things.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Like that, I mean to me, to me, the the
FBI should be and nicolet we got to leave it
here about. I mean, the FBI in my mind, given
the realities of the left and the right these days,
if it's not eighty twenty right left, like, we got
a big problem. So we got a lot of work
to do over at the FBI. We need a lot
of people to make sure they see the Constitution, in
the rule of law, law and order as their priority
(15:04):
and not the trans Day of Visibility, which is celebrated
at the CIA.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
By the way, I might say, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Those days that the FBI are over. But do you
know what I want. I want, Lady Justice to be
blind and I just want the truth. I don't really
care who you vote for. I want you to leave
your political persuasions at the front door. I want you
to walk into the door of the FBI and do
your job in a fair and unbiased manner, protect the
American people and uphold the Constitution. And I believe that
is the goal of Cash and Dan as well. And
(15:33):
I think that they are working diligently and working hard.
Let's give them some time, Let's give them the benefit
of the doubt. They are cleaning up a huge mess.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And so Parker of the Sorry, yes, Nicole Parker, formerly
of the FBI and Fox News, Nicole, thank.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You so much.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Thank you. You'll have a good one.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
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We're not seeing it the same way.
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Mister Travis has weighed in from his vacation on this.
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
We are waiting here, as you know, we.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Are live and we are waiting for a press conference
to begin momentarily with Elon and Trump. We will will
bring that to you from the beginning of it, just
just to give you a little taste to what's going on.
I think it's pretty clear what it is, but we'll
just make sure there's no big announcement right off the top.
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Elon's time is a special government employee. As was the
case all along has come to an end. Jose has
made a lot of recommendations. Recision packages are reportedly on
their way to Congress, and this is what was supposed
to happen. Nobody said, what is it? Rome wasn't built
in a day, and nobody said that Doge would be
(20:09):
able to unbuild the Death Star in a day. Either
it is or I guess destroy the Death Star unbuilding
sounds pretty wimpy, right, but you get what I'm saying.
This is gonna be something that takes time, takes focus,
So yes, we will. We will dive into that here
momentarily we'll bring you the latest news on that I
(20:32):
think it is.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It has been.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Really useful, if nothing else, to hear from somebody who
has such skill in managing at a level where there's
consequence for being wrong, And this is one of the
big things for a lot of you. You know exactly
what I'm talking about. Is there any consequence for being
(20:54):
bad or wrong at your job? In the private sector,
the answer is unless you're dad owns the company, but
even then Dad will get mad at you, right, But
in the private sector the answer is always pretty much.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
And so if any of you who work for any
size business, whether it's a Fortune one hundred company or
you know, you got a local shop with two or
three employees, you know that if you're messing up and
it's affecting your bottom line, this is bad and you
have to fix it. I would argue that even within
the government, for example, there can be even within government service,
(21:28):
there can be, you know, consequences for messing up, But
it depends on what you're doing and what your role is.
Any cop right now listening to this nose, yeah, yeah,
there are consequences for being wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I don't have to go through where all of them are.
If you mess up, it could cost your career, could
cost your life. So cops live with the constant reality
of consequences, even though it's not private sector.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think that's an important.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
If you work in the Department of Agriculture as a bureaucrat,
are there any consequences for being bad at your job
or making no no right? So this is this is
I think the big difference. It's like I always say,
there's something that is very maturing about showing up to
(22:17):
a job. That's just as a person showing up to
a job where you need the money to pay your
bills and nobody really cares that you're there, meaning you know,
at the company or whatever, you know, meaning that they're
not like, oh my gosh, we're still like, you know,
you're not signing a twenty or a two year twenty
million dollar NBA contract, Like that's not.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Hard, you know, that's pretty great.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But if you show up to a job where nobody
cares that you're there, you need the paycheck, you have
to show up and you have to do a good job.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Or they'll replace you. That is a real growth moment,
right and a lot of us have that.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Maybe you have it when you're eighteen, maybe you have
it right when you get out of school. But that's
something you go, Okay, this is real. Some people go
into roles right away though, where that's actually not the case,
and that became a lot of what our government was
and still is. It's people for whom there is absolutely
no accountability, and then there's a there's an arrogance that
(23:19):
builds from that, and there's I think even a self
loathing maybe too now I'm getting a little too freudy
in or something. But people know when they're not contributing,
and it's not a good feeling, you know. I thought
at the CIA for a period of time when I
was there, I was learning a lot which was fascinating
(23:39):
and I got to do really interesting stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And so for me, there was a lot.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Of dare I say, enrichment and growth and I briefed
the President a couple of times during war and the oval.
It's all in the upcoming book. That's right cleared. It is,
it is act. It's gonna be my first book by
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And I will tell you this, You're probably gonna hear me.
I'm gonna keep saying. I won't keep saying this, but
(24:03):
I probably will. Your two humble hosts here, mister Clay
Travis and mister Buck Saxon. We actually write our books,
meaning we write them. The words are our words. We
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Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not a lot of that. I'm just I'm not naming names.
I know the names, but not a lot of that
going on out there.
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wife Carrie's going nuts because I have. I have the
books that I love, which are I'm like swimming in.
I mean, you guys don't see the rest of my stea,
which is good because I can get a little messy
in here. But I've got books, and I got all
the shelves filled, and then I got piles of books,
and then I got my need to read pile, and
then I got my my leisure read pile, and then
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I got the pile that's out on my little uh
you know, layout chair on my little balcony here.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I mean, you know, I got books, ever, and then
I get the books that are sent to.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Me, and I'm like, you know, man, you didn't write this,
and you know you're just sort of churning it out.
And I can tell anyway, Clay and I write our
books and I have. I think he respects that I
do that, and I respect that he does that as
practitioners in this world. And so I'm excited to be
(25:39):
able to tell you about the book situation. And I
just realized this will happen occasionally because I'm also trying
to set us up here for the live press conference.
So I've gone a little. But my weaving, you know,
sometimes you're on the road and you weave and you're
like whoa, and sometimes you hit a telephone pole. I
think I just kind of clipped a telephone pole because
I completely what was I talking about before I start
(26:00):
talking about the books? Guys, I actually lost my train
of thought, which rarely happens to be here on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But I think I was talking about but Steven, Well,
let's go to Steve.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know, you know what, when in doubt go to
Stephen Miller. Let's go to Stephen Miller. What he said here,
this is a totally I'll remember where I was going,
but this is in summer. You are nodding your heads knowingly,
like yeah, buck, a little too much weaving, a little
too much weaving. I got fired up in my weaving there.
But Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
This is back on.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
The issue of Harvard and the universities and the fights
that are underway. I think this is really important, as
I've been saying, because everything yesterday. You know, if you
haven't listened to yesterday show, please go back claim Buck
podcast Network. The universities are the laboratories of the insanity,
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meaning this is where the experimentation and the proliferation of
the Marxist madness occurs, it begins. This is where it
really again because oh, speaking of people that don't have
to well, I mean, it's hard to get a professor's
job at these places, but then you've got tenure and
you can just stick stick around forever, unless you are
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a professor at Harvard Business School paid a million dollars
a year to teach a million dollars a year. And
when you say teach, she's not showing up nine to
five with like a room full of screaming kids or something.
She's teaching Harvard Business School grads probably a class a week,
maybe two. Think about that, paid a million dollars and
(27:32):
she's five. She's an expert in honesty who was fired
from that million dollar a year job for dishonesty.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
The team told me yesterday.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I meant to throw that into the mix about the
million dollar a year salary, which I knew that professor is.
You know somebody like Halos Sheppard Warren, Ah, how much socialist?
But I make three hundred thousand dollars a year. Have
you university housing? So I lift at a mansion. I'm
worth ten million dollars. Personally, I'm a fake Native American
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and I make three hundred grand.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
To do nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
That was when she was a professor, and now she's
a senator. But she wants to lecture you about, you know,
what a free market is, and that you need to
pay more taxes. So yeah, here is Stephen Miller. Here
is Stephen Miller, who is talking about how Harvard, where
Elizabeth Warren was teaching, has defied subpoenas for information about
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its foreign students.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Play five.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
The president's authority to prevent foreign nationals from entry in
the country is one of his greatest and highest authorities.
He's operating at the apex of executive power. Harvard defied
multiple DHS subpoenas for information about his foreign students and
about law breaking and national security threats on campus. Harvard
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has engaged in decades of invidious, unlawful, and illegal race
based discrimination against American citizens. So Harvard has engaged in
illegal and criminal conduct. A judge is siding with Harvard's
right to pat his pockets with foreign cash over the
rights of American citizens in the American constitution.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, that's what's going on here. And this is where
I get to my theory of skirmishing. If you will,
If you if you are somebody who follows or or
has an interest in as I do, various periods of
ancient warfare. You know that depending on the period talking about.
(29:33):
But let's say an ancient ancient Rome would be an
excellent example of this. You know, they would have the legions,
which which were the core, you know, that was the backbone, right,
the legionaries with their their shield and their the gladias.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Their short sword.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Later on they adopted a longer sword after their fights
with the very tenacious Gaulls. But you had the legions,
and and you had you know, cavalry, but you also
had these different groups. And they were often mercenary groups
who would be out in the front and they were
lightly or perhaps not armored at all, and they would
(30:12):
their job was to essentially test and harass the enemy. Right,
so they would run up and they would throw light spears,
not the peelum, which is the kind of heavy javelin
of the ancient Roman legion, weighted so that it could
It really was meant to penetrate the shield and weigh
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it down because a lot of people, especially if the
Romans were fighting others who were of a similar tactical approach,
you know, they would have some form of shield too, depends,
but it was meant to open them up for more
of the upclose stabbing.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
With either spear or the gladius the short sword. As
you can tell. I don't know, I just find this
stuff really fascinating still.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But the skirmishers would be out there and they were
meant to just run at that front line of the enemy,
and they they would be throwing light spears. Sometimes they
would have like a small hand axe they would throw that,
and it was just meant to, yes, you know, harassed
and maybe inflict some light casualties on the enemy, but
it was also testing their defenses and creating disorder for
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their plan. And I think at some level on the
legal front, the Trump administration is engaged in Yes, some
critical battles, like the lead and critical offensive maneuvers with
the legion areas. You know, they're going right down the middle.
That's that's you know, ending that's ending birthright citizenship for
anchor babies, right, that's. These are fights where I think
(31:40):
they're on very solid ground. I think they're right. Now
that fight may not go our way, but I think
they are right constants.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
There are other places where it's a little more.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Of a gray area, but it's worth testing the waters
a little bit. It's worth putting your skirmishers out front
and see, you know, I got a case here, and
it's going to annoy the other side, and they're going
to have to do what they always make us do,
which is go to court and deal with this stuff.
They are flooding the zone a bit with this and
the left and all these nonprofits, these legal left wing
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anti American, you know, let's slowly destroy the constitution entities
that are out there. They're having to pick up a
lot of these things. So on the one hand, yes,
I understand we've got these universal injunctions, the judges are
But on the other hand, the apparatus of the left,
the focus of the eye of Souran. The ability they
have to really put effort and time and resource is
(32:34):
being spread along all these different issues. And the Trump team,
because the fundamental approach is unified, is able to keep
pushing forward the legionaries information test studo when they have
to be, and going right for the enemy when they
have to be. They are working together in a precise fashion.
(32:55):
So even on areas like the campus speech that's anti Semitic,
for example, are they gonna win this at the Supreme Court?
I don't know, but it drives the left crazy, and
they've got a legitimate argument. For these people with the
visas that are doing anti American stuff, it's visa holders,
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not you know, if this was Americans, i'd say they
got no chance. And that's they're you know, going too far.
But they're skirmishing, they're testing the waters, and they're keeping
the enemy off balance, and that I think is a
good thing. All Right, I'm very excited to tell you
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I don't know is that on the record. Maybe it's
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Maybe I can take that back, because I clearly would
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Michael, Hey Buck, could hear from you?
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You too, Sir.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Just wanted to say, yeah, I wanted to say I
tried to call it in yesterday when you were talking
about the Harvard situation, and I wanted to comment and
say I love what Trump is doing with this because
I think it will open up the door to so
many other schools. In particular, we cannot forget what happened
with Joe Biden and the University of Pennsylvania back several
(36:18):
years ago when the Chinese were really investing in the
University of penn And I think this will really shine
the light many other schools across the country. Maybe Stanford,
maybe cal Tech, could be a lot of other schools.
But I think that what he's doing is just a
domino effect and we should be grateful that he's doing this.
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Thank you so much, Michael, thanks for listening to Atlanta.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
You ask for miracles?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I give you the FB I well, other miracles need
it over there? And do all of you love die
Hard as much as I do and as much as
Clay does. Let's talk to Nicole Parker. She is formerly
an FBI, a special agent of many many years, and
a Fox News contributor.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Nicole, great to have you back on.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Thank you so much. I always love to join y'all.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Happy Friday, Happy Friday year chef fellow in Miami in
two which is very exciting, very exciting, so people are saying, Nicole,
one of the greatest places, one of the greatest places
in America, Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We're loving it. I'm very yeah, No, it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You get a little soft here though, right like you
because you can just you can just walk around and
flip flops and a T shirt all the time. I
gotta sometimes go up to places where they actually have
to dress for the seasons now, just to remember what
it's like. So tell me this for first up here,
something that I'm a little surprised that. I'll just tell
you this. I was on Fox yesterday and they asked me,
(01:36):
I forget I asked me a couple of things, but
one of the things they asked about was director Patel
and deputy director Bongino. I'm just gonna say, uh, you
know Cash and Dan from from here on out, just
because that's how I think of them, and I'm gonna
mess up otherwise. Right, but Cash and Dan are running
the uh the FBI, your your old outfit of many years,
your career FBI, And I was saying. They asked me,
(01:57):
I said, how do you think it's going with these two?
And I said, look, I know both of these guys.
I know that they're serious people, and they're patriots and
their fighters, and they're all on board with the Trump agenda,
and I think they just should get what they're asking for,
which is more time to make the reforms needed. I'm
going to tell you, Nicole, I got a lot of
(02:18):
pushback from our side. I mean from our people. Not
forget about like we're not even talking. We try not
to waste too much time on the Trump deranged right. No,
I'm talking about our team. I'm talking about people that
voted for Trump and they are like wondering if everything's
going the way it should with the reforms. I can
I pass this off to you because I have a
(02:39):
lot of faith in Dan, and I have a lot
of faith in Cash.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Right, I did too. I do too, And I can
tell you having worked there and I've seen things firsthand
and I've talked to you about it on your program.
There really were two fbis. There was FBI one, the
people that were just trying to do honest, good hard
work protecting the American people uphold the Constitution in a
fair and unbiased manner. And then there was FBI too,
(03:07):
those that politically and socially weaponized the FBI, starting at
the very top in high level positions at the bureau,
and it trickled down all the way down to support
staff level members in different field offices. So I'm telling
you straight up, there are such good people. I work
shoulder to shoulder with them, and they're sacrificing a lot
(03:28):
to serve our country. But there are a lot of
not good people that were at the FBI as well.
And I have to tell you that a problem like that,
it did not start overnight, and it's not going to
be solved overnight either. And so for Dan and Cash
to get in there and work as hard as they
have in just a few months, I am impressed. And
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I understand that people like to see results. We're in
a world where we want immediate satisfaction. We want to
see things now. But the reality of the situation is
it takes time. And if you're going to solve the
problem properly, there's a lot to dig into and it
does take time. What you don't see on the outside,
and having worked there, personnel matters, for example, that the
(04:09):
FBI are kept very confidential, HR matters, personal matters, movements
of individuals, accountability, tangible consequences, very rarely do you hear
about that in the public eye. Doesn't mean that it's
not happening behind the scenes, and so to give them
full credit for their efforts, I do want to say
that we're going to need to be patient, but it
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doesn't mean because we're not seeing immediate results that it's
not happening. And I think it is fair to give
them some time to fix a problem. In my opinion,
I saw it start in twenty sixteen, so we're talking
all of ten years of things that never were resolved.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Jim com fired No go.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Ahead, go ahead, sorry, So.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Jim Comey was fired obviously. In May twenty seventeen, Christopher
Ray came in as the next director, and I can
tell you that BI agents were hoping we director Ray
please clean up this place. He did not. He did
not clean up that place. So it festerred for that
many more years, and now they're coming in trying to
clean up stuff that happened over ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, I was just going to say, I know, and
I'm in the Agency CIA for now fifteen years. I've
been doing media, but just based on my five years
there and what I saw during the War on Terror,
which was I would say the absolute peak of the
agency's sense of mission cohesion and everything else. But already,
because I stayed through the beginning of the Obama administration,
(05:34):
you could see some of these pieces coming into place, where, oh,
this is getting real political. The notion that as much
faith as I have in Tulsi as DNI and as
much I don't really know Ratcliffe at all. I'm not
going to pretend like I do. I've never met him,
I don't know what his deal is. But Trump has
faith in him. So that's a good you know, that's
a good start, I think. But I know Tulsi and
as much faith as I have in her in the DNI,
(05:55):
the notion that she'd be able to fix the Intel
community by May of twenty twenty five taking the job
two to three months ago, is I mean, it's preposterous, right,
So that correct? That's kind of my for anyone's like, well,
how would you know what's going on with the FBI
speaking to me, not speaking to you, I just say, well,
I know that you can't fix the CIA in ninety days, guys.
So my sense is the FBI it might even be
(06:17):
a little bit worse. I don't know. I'm tough to
compare these two. You know, it's like comparing Fauci and
Komi is the worst public servants ever.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Right, So let me give you one example of you know,
things that you may not have seen on the outside,
but as an internal FBI employee, the social weaponization at
the FBI was completely off the rails. You know, I
support all different people from all different backgrounds. That is
not the issue. The issue that I had at the
FBI is that it seemed that they were more focused
on social issues than they were of the core mission
(06:45):
of fighting crime. And so just yesterday, and this is
on Fox News, there is an article out that an
email was sent out to FBI employees yesterday regarding upcoming
Pride Month. And under the Biden administry, it was constant
the social discussions, the clubs, the meetings, the groups. There
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were like nineteen different social type of clubs at the FBI.
That is not the mission of the FBI. When I
signed up to be an FBI agent, That's not what
I signed on to do. That was not part of
upholding the Constitution and protecting the American people. So for example,
this year, they are saying, look, we respect people of
all different walks of life, but we will not be
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having official Pride Month activities at the FBI. We respect
whatever your decisions in life are, but you can do
that on your own time, not on FBI time, and
not on tax pay dollars. That in and of itself
is a huge shift from what I saw, especially in
my last several years at the FBI. So again, it
(07:46):
might seem smaller and significant to the American people, but
I can tell you as an FBI agent, when you
were constantly getting emails about all these social justice warrior
clubs at the agency instead of the actual mission and
fighting crime, it became overwhelming. Anything other than the core
mission is a dangerous distraction in my opinion. And that move,
in and of itself saying going forward, we are going
(08:08):
to focus on the core mission and you can do
your social justice stuff in your own time, That in
and of itself is huge. So that's this one small
example that there are many examples. And one other thing
that I really love about what Cash and Dan are
doing transparency. They are telling the American people as much
as they possibly can. And there was nothing more frustrating
(08:31):
to me when I would watch Christopher Ray testify before Congress,
and every answer he's just never answered anything. And same
with Jim Comey. These guys they're out there saying as
much as they possibly can to inform the American people.
And again we have to respect that there are confidential
things that the FBI and investigations that are ongoing that
(08:52):
would jeopardize the case to discuss. But the fact that
they're releasing constantly new documentation to Congress, They're putting it
out there. You know this Epstein question. They both came
out very frankly and said, you know, Epstein committed suicide.
We have video he was by himself. You know, things
like that that Americans have wondered that no other FBI
(09:13):
director has come out and said as blatantly and directly
as they have.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Can I give you some of these but can I
get get you to react to some of these specifics
because we have some cash recent cash statements made on
Fox director Patel. This has caught nine guys specifically. I
think people want to know about FBI informants. This has
been talked about. Tucker's been pounding this drum for years
because there's a lot of smoke FBI informants in that
(09:39):
crowd on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
This is what Cash said. Play nine.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Former FBI Director Chris Ray eventually admitted to Congress there
were twenty six FBI confidential human sources in around the
Capitol January sixth, but not actual agents. Can you say
that's true?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Are there more than that?
Speaker 7 (09:57):
What you're learning from that? I can say that that
is definitely a piece of the truth. And eventually everybody's
going to know the whole picture. Yeah, because the American
people deserve that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
He says, the American people deserve the whole picture. Now,
my question for you, I've known Cash for years, you know,
I know Cash, right. I have no doubt that that
is his desire to get to that place where we
know the full picture. My question for you, Nicole, is
knowing the infrastructure and the internal workings of the FBI,
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could they have already kind of made stuff disappearing. A
lot goes on in the CIA that's spoken written down
on a piece of paper, especially in the abroad places.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You know, is it within his is it within his power.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
At this point to get us the whole picture about
what the FBI and jan six what the involvement.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Was based on that quote? I believe that he is
going to give you as much information as he possibly can,
and it sounds like there is information coming. So people
talk about things disappearing. One thing I did find very
interesting is and the interview that Dan did on Fox
and Friends. He talked about a room that you know,
all of this information that had not been known to
(11:10):
anybody was presented to them and they're going through it now,
and there were certain things that hadn't been digitized. Things
like that. I think, I again, they always say, don't
trust us, just watch the results. But I'm going to
tell you things move slowly, and not because they wanted
to move slowly, because it has to be done perfectly
(11:33):
and articulately and properly. And that is the way that
they're going to gain the trust of the American people,
just saying whatever they can say whenever, no, no, no, no,
it's got to be proper. But again, I think it
takes time, and I don't blame the American people. I
can tell you as an FBI employee, I myself didn't
always trust the FBI. There were a lot of people
(11:54):
in what I referred to as FBI one that really
didn't trust the FBI. The FBI has to regain the
trust of the employees first and foremost, and the American people,
because at the end of the day, the FBI is
for the American people. The American people, you are the boss.
The taxpayers are the boss to the FBI. And there
was a little bit of a culture there that they
(12:15):
always talked about needs of the bureau. No, it's not
needs of the bureau. It's needs of the American people
and the needs of the victims. And I really love
that Cash and Dan have that mentality where they're shifting
the culture in the mindset of the FBI from needs
of the bureau to needs of the American people.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You give me a sense, Give me a sense, Nicole,
if somebody asked me in the CIA during the War
on Terror years. I know you were at the Bureau
during the g y two, right, but during the War
on Terror years, what percentage of case officers politically what
I esked? And this is obviously just perception, right, what
(12:54):
I estimate, I feel like it would be seventy percent
or you know, seventy percent of them right of center,
maybe seventy five percent right of center at least on
the GAT issues. And then if it was analysts, I
would say it was seventy five percent in the other direction,
meaning seventy five percent more left wing, more democrat, you know.
(13:15):
And so there was very clear even within the agency,
different cultures. I want to know from you FORBI, for
the FBI, you know, field agents, who are actually the
ones putting the cuffs on people and everything else, what
percentage of them were about serving the people versus serving
the bureau.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Okay, so again I'm going to just say FBI one
versus FBI two, FBI one the people that are there
to serve the people up pull the constitution in a
parent unbiased manner. Again, I don't know every single FBI agent.
I can just tell you the overarching general thought when
I first joined the bureau in twenty ten, I would
definitely say it was more conservative. As time went on
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and the FBI was shifting their recruiting efforts and shifting
what they were looking for.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Even in it's always HR it all all the communism
starts in HR.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Well, it's it's really the shift and focus on the
diversity program that Obama really started heavy in the federal government,
and that definitely trickled into the FBI. I would say
that the culture definitely did change from the time that
I had joined till the time that I left. But
I would agree that you know, just in my experience,
(14:27):
the agents, those that are actually putting the handcuffs on
enforcing laws, you know, doing the arrest, they tend to
be more right leaning maybe, And again that's a generalization, okay,
and your right support staff analysts things.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Like that, I mean to me, to me, the the
FBI should be and nicolet we got to leave it
here about. I mean, the FBI in my mind, given
the realities of the left and the right these days,
if it's not eighty twenty right left, like, we got
a big problem. So we got a lot of work
to do over at the FBI. We need a lot
of people to make sure they see the Constitution, in
the rule of law, law and order as their priority
(15:04):
and not the trans Day of Visibility, which is celebrated
at the CIA.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
By the way, I might say, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Those days that the FBI are over. But do you
know what I want. I want, Lady Justice to be
blind and I just want the truth. I don't really
care who you vote for. I want you to leave
your political persuasions at the front door. I want you
to walk into the door of the FBI and do
your job in a fair and unbiased manner, protect the
American people and uphold the Constitution. And I believe that
is the goal of Cash and Dan as well. And
(15:33):
I think that they are working diligently and working hard.
Let's give them some time, Let's give them the benefit
of the doubt. They are cleaning up a huge mess.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And so Parker of the Sorry, yes, Nicole Parker, formerly
of the FBI and Fox News, Nicole, thank.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You so much.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Thank you. You'll have a good one.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
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(17:35):
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carries with the in laws for a few days here,
my wonderful in laws, the greatest people. Uh and and
she's she's with the baby. So I'm I'm it's just
me the dog and takeout food for a couple of
days here while I while I recover from a very
brutal few days which I'm not gonna talk about it anymore,
(17:58):
but I try to watch a movie, the second to
last Mission Impossible movie. And I'm just gonna say Clay
and I are at crosswise on this one.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
We're not seeing it the same way.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Mister Travis has weighed in from his vacation on this.
We will discuss this at the back of this hour,
so stick around. Look, there's a little hope in Israel
today based on the prospect of a new ceasefire with
Hamas that would allow the remaining hostages to be reunited
with their families. But yesterday the IDF intercepted another ballistic
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
We are waiting here, as you know, we.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Are live and we are waiting for a press conference
to begin momentarily with Elon and Trump. We will will
bring that to you from the beginning of it, just
just to give you a little taste to what's going on.
I think it's pretty clear what it is, but we'll
just make sure there's no big announcement right off the top.
(19:45):
Elon's time is a special government employee. As was the
case all along has come to an end. Jose has
made a lot of recommendations. Recision packages are reportedly on
their way to Congress, and this is what was supposed
to happen. Nobody said, what is it? Rome wasn't built
in a day, and nobody said that Doge would be
(20:09):
able to unbuild the Death Star in a day. Either
it is or I guess destroy the Death Star unbuilding
sounds pretty wimpy, right, but you get what I'm saying.
This is gonna be something that takes time, takes focus,
So yes, we will. We will dive into that here
momentarily we'll bring you the latest news on that I
(20:32):
think it is.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It has been.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Really useful, if nothing else, to hear from somebody who
has such skill in managing at a level where there's
consequence for being wrong, And this is one of the
big things for a lot of you. You know exactly
what I'm talking about. Is there any consequence for being
(20:54):
bad or wrong at your job? In the private sector,
the answer is unless you're dad owns the company, but
even then Dad will get mad at you, right, But
in the private sector the answer is always pretty much.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
And so if any of you who work for any
size business, whether it's a Fortune one hundred company or
you know, you got a local shop with two or
three employees, you know that if you're messing up and
it's affecting your bottom line, this is bad and you
have to fix it. I would argue that even within
the government, for example, there can be even within government service,
(21:28):
there can be, you know, consequences for messing up, But
it depends on what you're doing and what your role is.
Any cop right now listening to this nose, yeah, yeah,
there are consequences for being wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I don't have to go through where all of them are.
If you mess up, it could cost your career, could
cost your life. So cops live with the constant reality
of consequences, even though it's not private sector.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think that's an important.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
If you work in the Department of Agriculture as a bureaucrat,
are there any consequences for being bad at your job
or making no no right? So this is this is
I think the big difference. It's like I always say,
there's something that is very maturing about showing up to
(22:17):
a job. That's just as a person showing up to
a job where you need the money to pay your
bills and nobody really cares that you're there, meaning you know,
at the company or whatever, you know, meaning that they're
not like, oh my gosh, we're still like, you know,
you're not signing a twenty or a two year twenty
million dollar NBA contract, Like that's not.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Hard, you know, that's pretty great.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But if you show up to a job where nobody
cares that you're there, you need the paycheck, you have
to show up and you have to do a good job.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Or they'll replace you. That is a real growth moment,
right and a lot of us have that.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Maybe you have it when you're eighteen, maybe you have
it right when you get out of school. But that's
something you go, Okay, this is real. Some people go
into roles right away though, where that's actually not the case,
and that became a lot of what our government was
and still is. It's people for whom there is absolutely
no accountability, and then there's a there's an arrogance that
(23:19):
builds from that, and there's I think even a self
loathing maybe too now I'm getting a little too freudy
in or something. But people know when they're not contributing,
and it's not a good feeling, you know. I thought
at the CIA for a period of time when I
was there, I was learning a lot which was fascinating
(23:39):
and I got to do really interesting stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And so for me, there was a lot.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Of dare I say, enrichment and growth and I briefed
the President a couple of times during war and the oval.
It's all in the upcoming book. That's right cleared. It is,
it is act. It's gonna be my first book by
the which I'm really excited about because I wrote it.
And I will tell you this, You're probably gonna hear me.
I'm gonna keep saying. I won't keep saying this, but
(24:03):
I probably will. Your two humble hosts here, mister Clay
Travis and mister Buck Saxon. We actually write our books,
meaning we write them. The words are our words. We
sit at a computer, we write our books.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not a lot of that. I'm just I'm not naming names.
I know the names, but not a lot of that
going on out there.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So I just we we humbly ask for your support
when these books come out because we're trying to uh
bring you know, make we're trying to make writing great
again for hosts, for commentators who aren't just farming this
stuff out. I mean, especially now you farm it out
and then you got a I you know, this is
the thing, and this is why I know the difference.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Also when people send me their books, it's like, did
you write this?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Because people I get, I get I have stacks. My
wife Carrie's going nuts because I have. I have the
books that I love, which are I'm like swimming in.
I mean, you guys don't see the rest of my stea,
which is good because I can get a little messy
in here. But I've got books, and I got all
the shelves filled, and then I got piles of books,
and then I got my need to read pile, and
then I got my my leisure read pile, and then
(25:09):
I got the pile that's out on my little uh
you know, layout chair on my little balcony here.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I mean, you know, I got books, ever, and then
I get the books that are sent to.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Me, and I'm like, you know, man, you didn't write this,
and you know you're just sort of churning it out.
And I can tell anyway, Clay and I write our
books and I have. I think he respects that I
do that, and I respect that he does that as
practitioners in this world. And so I'm excited to be
(25:39):
able to tell you about the book situation. And I
just realized this will happen occasionally because I'm also trying
to set us up here for the live press conference.
So I've gone a little. But my weaving, you know,
sometimes you're on the road and you weave and you're
like whoa, and sometimes you hit a telephone pole. I
think I just kind of clipped a telephone pole because
I completely what was I talking about before I start
(26:00):
talking about the books? Guys, I actually lost my train
of thought, which rarely happens to be here on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But I think I was talking about but Steven, Well,
let's go to Steve.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know, you know what, when in doubt go to
Stephen Miller. Let's go to Stephen Miller. What he said here,
this is a totally I'll remember where I was going,
but this is in summer. You are nodding your heads knowingly,
like yeah, buck, a little too much weaving, a little
too much weaving. I got fired up in my weaving there.
But Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
This is back on.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
The issue of Harvard and the universities and the fights
that are underway. I think this is really important, as
I've been saying, because everything yesterday. You know, if you
haven't listened to yesterday show, please go back claim Buck
podcast Network. The universities are the laboratories of the insanity,
(26:48):
meaning this is where the experimentation and the proliferation of
the Marxist madness occurs, it begins. This is where it
really again because oh, speaking of people that don't have
to well, I mean, it's hard to get a professor's
job at these places, but then you've got tenure and
you can just stick stick around forever, unless you are
(27:10):
a professor at Harvard Business School paid a million dollars
a year to teach a million dollars a year. And
when you say teach, she's not showing up nine to
five with like a room full of screaming kids or something.
She's teaching Harvard Business School grads probably a class a week,
maybe two. Think about that, paid a million dollars and
(27:32):
she's five. She's an expert in honesty who was fired
from that million dollar a year job for dishonesty.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
The team told me yesterday.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I meant to throw that into the mix about the
million dollar a year salary, which I knew that professor is.
You know somebody like Halos Sheppard Warren, Ah, how much socialist?
But I make three hundred thousand dollars a year. Have
you university housing? So I lift at a mansion. I'm
worth ten million dollars. Personally, I'm a fake Native American
(28:01):
and I make three hundred grand.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
To do nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
That was when she was a professor, and now she's
a senator. But she wants to lecture you about, you know,
what a free market is, and that you need to
pay more taxes. So yeah, here is Stephen Miller. Here
is Stephen Miller, who is talking about how Harvard, where
Elizabeth Warren was teaching, has defied subpoenas for information about
(28:25):
its foreign students.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Play five.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
The president's authority to prevent foreign nationals from entry in
the country is one of his greatest and highest authorities.
He's operating at the apex of executive power. Harvard defied
multiple DHS subpoenas for information about his foreign students and
about law breaking and national security threats on campus. Harvard
(28:48):
has engaged in decades of invidious, unlawful, and illegal race
based discrimination against American citizens. So Harvard has engaged in
illegal and criminal conduct. A judge is siding with Harvard's
right to pat his pockets with foreign cash over the
rights of American citizens in the American constitution.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, that's what's going on here. And this is where
I get to my theory of skirmishing. If you will,
If you if you are somebody who follows or or
has an interest in as I do, various periods of
ancient warfare. You know that depending on the period talking about.
(29:33):
But let's say an ancient ancient Rome would be an
excellent example of this. You know, they would have the legions,
which which were the core, you know, that was the backbone, right,
the legionaries with their their shield and their the gladias.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Their short sword.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Later on they adopted a longer sword after their fights
with the very tenacious Gaulls. But you had the legions,
and and you had you know, cavalry, but you also
had these different groups. And they were often mercenary groups
who would be out in the front and they were
lightly or perhaps not armored at all, and they would
(30:12):
their job was to essentially test and harass the enemy. Right,
so they would run up and they would throw light spears,
not the peelum, which is the kind of heavy javelin
of the ancient Roman legion, weighted so that it could
It really was meant to penetrate the shield and weigh
(30:34):
it down because a lot of people, especially if the
Romans were fighting others who were of a similar tactical approach,
you know, they would have some form of shield too, depends,
but it was meant to open them up for more
of the upclose stabbing.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
With either spear or the gladius the short sword. As
you can tell. I don't know, I just find this
stuff really fascinating still.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But the skirmishers would be out there and they were
meant to just run at that front line of the enemy,
and they they would be throwing light spears. Sometimes they
would have like a small hand axe they would throw that,
and it was just meant to, yes, you know, harassed
and maybe inflict some light casualties on the enemy, but
it was also testing their defenses and creating disorder for
(31:18):
their plan. And I think at some level on the
legal front, the Trump administration is engaged in Yes, some
critical battles, like the lead and critical offensive maneuvers with
the legion areas. You know, they're going right down the middle.
That's that's you know, ending that's ending birthright citizenship for
anchor babies, right, that's. These are fights where I think
(31:40):
they're on very solid ground. I think they're right. Now
that fight may not go our way, but I think
they are right constants.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
There are other places where it's a little more.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Of a gray area, but it's worth testing the waters
a little bit. It's worth putting your skirmishers out front
and see, you know, I got a case here, and
it's going to annoy the other side, and they're going
to have to do what they always make us do,
which is go to court and deal with this stuff.
They are flooding the zone a bit with this and
the left and all these nonprofits, these legal left wing
(32:12):
anti American, you know, let's slowly destroy the constitution entities
that are out there. They're having to pick up a
lot of these things. So on the one hand, yes,
I understand we've got these universal injunctions, the judges are
But on the other hand, the apparatus of the left,
the focus of the eye of Souran. The ability they
have to really put effort and time and resource is
(32:34):
being spread along all these different issues. And the Trump team,
because the fundamental approach is unified, is able to keep
pushing forward the legionaries information test studo when they have
to be, and going right for the enemy when they
have to be. They are working together in a precise fashion.
(32:55):
So even on areas like the campus speech that's anti Semitic,
for example, are they gonna win this at the Supreme Court?
I don't know, but it drives the left crazy, and
they've got a legitimate argument. For these people with the
visas that are doing anti American stuff, it's visa holders,
(33:16):
not you know, if this was Americans, i'd say they
got no chance. And that's they're you know, going too far.
But they're skirmishing, they're testing the waters, and they're keeping
the enemy off balance, and that I think is a
good thing. All Right, I'm very excited to tell you
my beloved New York Knicks. They came through for me
last night. I might have said some harsh things about
how I would rather have Halliburton than Brunson at some point,
(33:40):
at least to friends recently, and you know what I come.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I don't know is that on the record. Maybe it's
not on the record.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Maybe I can take that back, because I clearly would
rather have Brunson than Haliburton because the Knicks won last night.
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We have Michael in Atlanta wants to check in what's
going on.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Michael, Hey Buck, could hear from you?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You too, Sir.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Just wanted to say, yeah, I wanted to say I
tried to call it in yesterday when you were talking
about the Harvard situation, and I wanted to comment and
say I love what Trump is doing with this because
I think it will open up the door to so
many other schools. In particular, we cannot forget what happened
with Joe Biden and the University of Pennsylvania back several
(36:18):
years ago when the Chinese were really investing in the
University of penn And I think this will really shine
the light many other schools across the country. Maybe Stanford,
maybe cal Tech, could be a lot of other schools.
But I think that what he's doing is just a
domino effect and we should be grateful that he's doing this.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Totally agree, and I think it will lead to more
and also another great calls.
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People are just crushing it on the calls today. We're
getting great calls left in night.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Thank you so much, Michael, thanks for listening to Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, man, he's going to be flying in here any moment.
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I think he's already in the studio and we're going
to see if, in fact, he can lift a bus
with one hand. And that is Dean Kane, formerly Superman.
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Thank you.
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