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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we're
rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Lots of
things going on right now. We're going to continue to
break them down, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Epstein and beyond.
But we're headed now to talk to the Governor of Georgia,
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Brian Kemp, because I think this is one of the
great untold stories that lots of people are going to
pretend just never happened.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
But I know a lot of you who are baseball.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Fans, certainly, and definitely if you are Atlanta Braves fans,
we're very, very excited. The All Star Game was set
to be played in Atlanta several years ago, back in
twenty twenty one. After the twenty twenty election and the
difficulty of counting votes and all of the difficulty surrounding
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the voting process in general, the State of Georgia, Brian Kemp,
Governor of Georgia, along with the legislature in the State
of Georgia, said let's clean up, Let's provide more security,
let's provide more reliability, transparency, all of those things. For
our elections going forward, and the president at the time,
Joe Biden, said that this was the equivalent of Jim Crow.
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He actually said it was even worse than Jim Crow.
He said it was Jim Eagle. He said it was racist,
he said it was awful. And a lot of people
again have forgotten about this, they have memory hold it.
I know that Governor of Georgia has not. He is
with us now, Brian Kemp. The All Star Game is
in Atlanta tomorrow. The home Run Derby is tonight. But
I want to give you an opportunity to tee off
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on Joe Biden and all the Democrats who said that
what you guys were doing was a direct attack on democracy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you for joining us. The floor is yours, Governor.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh well, thanks for having me on. Guys. Good to
be with you. I'm still trying to figure out what
the whole Jim Eagle thing anyway, you know, all these
all these years later, but you know it's really outrageous,
how really overstated President Biden, Stacy Abrams, the rest of
the left, a lot of the national media, really most
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of the national media, were over the Elections Integrity Act
that made it easy to vote hard to cheat in Georgie.
And I know you went through buck a lot of
the things that we did to secure the vote, but
we also gave more opportunity for people to vote in
that bill. And even though we did that, the Democrats
said it was you know, suppressive and racists and Jim
Crow and it wasn't the case. You know, we got sued.
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We won every single lawsuit that Stacy Abrams and her
cronies filed against us. We've also had a bunch of
elections since then where we've had you know, secure, accessible,
fair elections in Georgia. We've seen minority participation increase in
those elections. So like all the things that they said
never happened, and we knew they weren't going to happen
because we knew what was in the bill. They overplayed
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their hand and really made a bad political stake mistake,
and you know, the commissioner in Major League Baseball and
some corporations did the same thing. And now they know
that they were wrong in that regard. But we're certainly
glad to have the All Star Game being in Atlanta
this year. It's going to be great. It's a great ballpark,
it's a great area up there. It's great for the
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small business people that got screwed last time when they
moved the game.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Actually, the voting, and I think this is important, voting
numbers actually went up after the security bill that you
guys put in place in twenty twenty two compared to
prior midterms, and up again in twenty twenty four. Doesn't
it seem like there should be some consequences for all
of those lies. I know Trump won Georgia, I know
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you won big, but the fact that they all said this,
they pulled the All Star Game, now they're coming back,
It's like everybody just wants to pretend none did this
ever happened.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, we got to make care we never forget. And
you know, and first of all, this couple of things,
you know, it just shows you when you get political
in sports, it always ends up being bad.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's the one thing that unites people on both sides
of the island, people that don't even care about politics
of why, you know, drag sporting events. In the middle
of that, I told the commissioner he was making a
mistake that you know, he already had. You know, the
people on the left that were mad at him because
he hadn't moved, and then when he pulled the bill,
he hadn't made everybody on the right. Man. I said,
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now you're in the middle of the circular fire and squad.
You're never going to make the left happy. And you know,
that's that's just what happened. But we shouldn't have politics
in sports. And that was the first big mistake. But
the other thing is it was really one of the
first times coming out of COVID where we stood up
and said we are not going to run from our values.
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It's kind of like the you know, boys and girls
sports argument. You know, finally the right and people just
just seeing people are standing up and go and enough
is enough already. We're not going to be bullied around
by a corporate boardroom or Major League Baseball or anybody else.
We're going to stand up for what our values are
and what we want to do in our state to
make sure our elections are secure but also accessible. And
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that's really when people started coming after us. We just
took the fight right back to them because I knew
what was in the bill. We had worked very hard
with the legislature to make sure that we addressed the
issue you know, the mechanical issues with the election that
we all saw and that we needed to fix, but
also making sure that it wasn't suppressive, it wasn't going
to keep anybody from voting, and then we had a
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secure system and that's what the people want. And we
stood up and fought for that and pushed back and
didn't bow down. And you know, there's been a lot
of great governors that have done that since then, a
lot of other people that are just saying, hey, enough
is enough. And now you're seeing the pendulum start to
swing back against all this is craziness in the world.
And you know, Republicans are pretty good at you know,
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live and let live and not trying to dictate people's
daily lives. But the other side is not, you know,
they want to push their jen on us, and I
think it's you know, for the last several years, including
with President Trump and like in my real lift, a
lot of other people have been standing up and going,
you know, this is what you've got and this is
not what you want. And it showed at the ballot
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box of the last couple of cycles.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Governor kempits Buck, appreciate you being here with us, and uh, look,
I'm I'm I'm a Yankee. Don't hold that against me,
but who has a particular soft spot for Georgia?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I love your state.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I do have a complaint, though, which is that we
have lost some very winnable Senate seats in Georgia in
some recent elections. I know the Democrat Asoff is going
to be up in this next cycle. It's early, but
how are you seeing that political landscape? I mean, Trump
against Kamala was what fifty one forty nine When all
things are considered, Georgia's this critical swing state. Are do
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you do you feel confident that the state Republican Party
and just the people of Georgia are to make the
right decision the next time around and we'll pick up
a Republican Senate seat.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
How do you see that?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well, it's gonna be a tough race. I mean, anytime
you're trying to beat it in combat, it's gonna be
very tough, especially in a state like Georgia. Mean, I
personally think the generic ballot in Georgia's a fifty two
to forty eight kind of state. We saw much of
that with President Trump's reelection. You know, we had a
lot better get out the vote effort, a lot, better
targeting effort, lot better daily track and polling, you know,
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going after low propensity voters. In the twenty four cycle,
we were a big part of helping that not only
our legislative candidates, but also went at the top of
the ticket with President. But we also did the same
thing in twenty twenty two in my re election campaign.
We built our own ground game. We did all this work,
phone call and everything. We raised the money for it,
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and we've done that too cycles in a row now
and it's worked in our state, and I believe it'll
work again in twenty twenty six if we have really
good candidate. We raised a lot of money and then
we do the fun fundamental things that we need to do.
And I am going to be one hundred percent engaged
and making sure that we're raising that money and doing
those fundamentals. And I've been, you know, talking to the
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White House and to the President about us uniting behind
the candidate that we can all get behind, because that's, really,
my eyes, the only way that you're going to beat
a tough in company. He has a very vulnerable record,
but make no mistake, he'll have unlimited money from the
billionaires on their side, and he's a shameless politician and
he'll be tough to beat. But that said, he's got
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a record where we can beat him. If you think
about the Democrats being in control of the Congress and
the White House from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two,
the millions of people that they just let come undobated
across the border, creating forty year high in placing and
high cost that we're dealing with today, how mortgage rates,
high rents, high housing prices. I mean, it's affected everybody
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out there from the bottom up, you know, supporting boys
playing in girls' sports and then voting against arm Israel.
I mean, those are things that are his record. He
is going to have to defend that, and that is
not going to be an easy thing to do in
the state of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, you know, Governor, I wanted you to run, So
you're not going to run now in the Senate. I
think you've said that. Is that still you're not running?
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Is that that fair? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's yeah, that's that's correct. I mean this is not
a good time for me and the family. I've got
a great job now I want to continue to focus
on that. I'm also cheer in the Republican Governors Association,
so committed to raising a lot of money to help
re elect and elect Republican governors in the twenty six
cycle this year, in twenty five in New Jersey and Virginia.
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The next year we have thirty six races the way,
we have a lot going on. I've committed to doing that,
and you know, very happy where I am very flattered
that a lot of people wanted me to run. This
is not a good time for me right now, all right?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So do you then?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You mentioned the importance of having really good candidates in
twenty six for both governor and Senate and what will
be a huge, huge battleground state, as you said, fifty
two to forty eight state. Do you anticipate endorsing for
the Senate and or the governors and what would that
look like for people out there? What would your time
frame look like on something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, in the governor's race, I'm not getting involved in
that right now. I mean, look, I know everybody that's
in there, I've worked with them, had a great relationship,
We've got a great record in the state that we've
all done good things to keep our state moving forward,
and you know, someone letting them hash that out at
least for right now. Anyway, in the Senate race, I've
told everybody that's running, people that are thinking about running,
that my goal is to try to work and get
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President Trump and I on the same page of supporting
a candidate in the US Senate race, because I think
that is the single best way that we could beat
John oss Off. You know, us being on the same
page in the twenty twenty four cycle worked great for
helping him win the state of Georgia, helping us hold
the state House. We beat an incumbent Democrat in the
district at Kamala Harris one in our state and held
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three incumbents and district that she won, and so we
had great success at working together. My goal is for
us to do that again in the twenty twenty six cycle,
and we're working on that as we speak.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
What do you think the timeframe is on that in
terms of trying to pick a guy or galp Well.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, I think it's hard to say. I mean,
it can't be forever from now, but we still have
a little bit of time being that we're in the
middle of the Dog Days this summer.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
All right, Well, I see you at the All Star
Game tomorrow. I'm betting you're going to be there.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I am going to be at the All Star Game tomorrow.
Well hopefully, Atlanta Braves. They're a great organization. They've been
very supportive of things that we've been doing in the
state and you know, really, I know they would want
to be dragged into this whole mess with MLB because
they didn't have anything to do with that. We're just
excited for the organization and all the people to put
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so much work into having a great, great week in Atlanta.
And you know, it's a great way. It's okay to
ballpark and plus the battery around it is a great
economic impact venue. If you've ever been there, it's incredible.
If you haven't, you should go. It's really a cool
place to see a ballgame and experience some great entertainment
outside the ballpark.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Amen, I'll be there, Governor, knock it out. We appreciate
the time and enjoy the game.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Hi, see you guys, Thanks for having me on. Go Dogs.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's Governor Brian Kemp. For those of you who don't know,
Go Dogs. At the end, there the sec media days underway.
Georgia Bulldogs, which, by the way, Buck, your wife would
probably not love because she is a Florida Gator, And
I think that's one of the great rivalries in all
sports out there, Gators versus dogs. Look it said, art
can imitate life. Take a good crime drama on TV
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and how many times do you see where the episode
is centered on, Hey, is the will?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
There? Is it real? Can we rely on it?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
This is dramatic oftentimes, but it's also reflective of what happens. Unfortunately,
when someone passes in real life, oftentimes there isn't a will,
there's not a trust. People don't know what choices you
would have made, and my goodness, why not go ahead
and solve that once and for all. You likely spend
a huge portion of your life trying to make sure
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that your kids, that your grandkids have the best possible
advantages they can have going forward. You do everything to
try to help them. But if you thought about what
will happen when you're gone? Have you tried to limit
the fighting? Have you tried to limit the disagreements? Have
you really dove into this?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
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Let's get to.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
George in Tallahassee, my state capitol. What's up, George.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Uh, just just watching the world go by, guys. Uh,
wanting to make a point that Giselle Maxwell has now
come out and said she's ready to testify in front
of Congress and name names and uh places and dates.
She did make it a point to say that Donald
Trump was not on that list. As you know, she's
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in the sci here in Tallahassee, and that's made news everywhere.
I think she's just put a target on her back
and she might be Epstein before she knows it. But
I just thought that was really interesting with the timing
of everything, and now she's ready to talk and and
uh just uh, you know she's got she's got a
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copy of that list, making no mistake about it. And
I was wondering what your guys take, you guys take
was and whether you think she has put a target
on her back.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Uh, Julie Maxwell is I believe and team in New York.
You can fact check me on this. I believe she's
a convicted fellow and serving twenty years in prison for
trafficking girls for.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Fscene.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't know what the precedents are candidly on pulling
someone out of federal prison. I believe she's in federal
prison and bringing them to Capitol Hill to testify. I
don't know if you can think of one buck, I
can't think of very ever occurring where you pull somebody
out of federal prison to come testify on Capitol Hill.
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Maybe it's happened before. I just don't know what the
precedent and the security apparatus around that is.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Do I think that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
They could probably have her virtually testify, Well, maybe that's
the answer.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Maybe that's the answer, is they could have a virtually testify.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I don't know candidly enough about what the congressional testimony
rules are in terms of who can be a witness
and who cannot, And so if she's going to testify
to things that could be useful, then I don't have
any problem with it at all. And I do think
that probbably given some of the other witnesses in this
case that the danger to her inside of prison not insubstantial.
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I mean, in other words, would it suddenly astound to
you if something violent happened to her based on how
this story has gone down, it would not. And I
think probably a lot of you would acknowledge that too.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
He said that she has said publicly some things about
what she might testify about. I do not know a
lot of details frankly, surrounding what she might testify too.
And so that's my kind of analysis in general. Again, ultimately,
this comes down, in my opinion, to do you believe Trump,
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That's the question.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the Monday day of the program. Okay,
let's dive into some situations that I actually think are
hugely we were talking about this off the air, hugely
important and largely not being talked about at all. So
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Trump has now said, Hey, I'm going to basically give
Ukraine all the weapons they need, including weapons that could
be used in an offensive manner.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, what do I mean by that?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
That means that weapons, missiles, attack weaponry that could theoretically
even reach Moscow we are now going to give to Ukraine.
This is a substantial escalation in the overall quality of
weapon that we have provided because, to a large extent,
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we said in the past, hey, We're only going to
provide Ukraine with defensive weaponry that is designed to attack
Russia when they are coming into the country, but not
these long range tactical weapons. It now appears that we
are going to be providing long range tactical weapons. This
was from the White House a bit ago. Earlier today,
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Trump asked about exactly this. What kind of weapons are
you going to send to Ukraine? This is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Will these be patriot missiles specifically, or patriot batteries that
you're planning?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
And when you winch this, patriots all of them.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
It's a full compliment with.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
A battery issue.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
And when you expected, well, we're going to have something
come very soon, within days, actually it's a couple of
the countries that have patriots are going to swap over
and we'll replace the patriots where the ones they have,
and Matt will coordinate with NATO. But so it's going
to be a biggest sun of rubbing version.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Okay, I'm going to ask Buck about this in a second.
I want to play one more cut. Trump said, I
got home and talked about the first late lady about
his calls with Vladimir Putin, and Milania said, well, just
listen cut thirty one.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I go home, I tell a first lady, and I
spoke of Gladimir today.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
We had a wonderful conversation.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
She said, oh really, another city was just hitted. So
it's like kidding.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Look, okay, so Milania's paying attention to what Russia is doing.
She's from Eastern Europe. Probably not a surprise that she
would be paying attention to what's going on in Eastern
Europe because it's her homeland. Uh, Buck, I want to
ask you this. Everybody has focused on a lot of
other stories right now. Am I crazy to think us
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giving these kind of weapons to Ukraine? Given what has
been said over the past several years about hey, we
want to limit the spread of this conflict is actually
a huge story.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Part one, Part two.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Is there a way that Trump wants this to be
out publicly to Putin to try to pressure him, Hey,
we better get a ceasefire or else there are going
to be consequences inside of Russia. How do you analyze
this as a former foreign policy guy inside of the CIA.
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I think that he's changing his position based on the
reality of the conflict. I think this is a change
in posture from Trump which is based on the like
I said, the experience of seeing what it is that
Vladimir Putin is really all about. And the problem here
is it was very popular with the with the Republican
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base going into this election to say that we were
going to stop well, it wasn't really even clear what
it was. We were just Zelenski is money laundering, they say,
And Zelenski's doing all these bad things. And you know,
we don't want to get involved another war. Okay, yes, absolutely,
we don't want to get involved another war. But are
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we going to stop sending them stuff or not? And
that was the question that really wasn't answered on the
right and any Boddy, I think who was being honest
and paying attention would admit, I mean, we just never
got a full and clear explanation other than we're going
to negotiate an end to the conflict.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
That was the plan. The planners are going to negotiate
an end to the conflict.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Putin doesn't want to do that. This is what we've
really seen. So I think we need to look at
this with what's actually happening. Putin sees a Ukraine that
it's fascinating stuff take take apart the humanitarian you know, casualties,
catastrophes and awful stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's fascinating just to.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
See how quickly the war is evolving. Whereas now they're
saying that drone technology is every ninety days. There's new
drones with new capabilities that are being deployed on this battlefield.
There's there's suicide drones that you are kind of like
a missile with drone capability. There's Russian versions of the
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Reaper drone, which has both surveillance and offensive capability. There's
all I mean, there's drones that are launched by individual soldiers,
Drones that are you know, twelve feet across and are
operating more like an unmanned plane or strike craft. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff, and it really comes down
to manufacturing capacity and technology, and that's what's really moving
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the front lines here. Part of what's going on is
the Russians are just swarming Ukrainian air defenses with so
many drones that they're running out of countermeasures. And then
the Russians hit them with missiles in the cities and
hit critical infrastructure and really try to punish them. So
that's what's going on here. I mean, this is now
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a drone war of attrition. That is what we're in,
as well as a human being one. I mean, they're
taking serious casualties on the front, but it's a drone
war of attrition. And the problem that Trump is facing
right now is that Vladimir Putin thinks he's winning. Because
he is winning, he's going to be able to out
punch in this match what the Ukrainians have, and so
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Trump is saying, all right, Putin, you jerk. And Trump's
been pretty salty in his language about this. I'm not
exactly He's like, all.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Right, all the people out there that spent years telling
us Trump was Putin stooge, He's actually aggressively going after
Putin frankly on a level that most politicians, particularly on
the Republican side.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Have not been willing. Right, I think that's kind of significant. Yes,
and he's saying I'm going to do now. Remember Trump
is the one who was willing to escalate in support
of Ukraine at different points.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
All along.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
It was Trump, not Obama, who was willing to get
lethal aid to the Ukrainians back in the early days
of this Russian uh slow motion invasion. And so Trump
is now willing to say, okay, look we try to
get these guys that you saw him. He smacked around
Zelenski and said, all right, you know you don't have
the cards. We've got to get you to negotiating table.
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We've got to end this thing. And Zelenski, you could tell,
was cowed by this a little bit, or it was
a little like okay, like fine, yes, sir. And then
he sits down with Putin. He goes all right, buddy,
what do we need here to make a deal? And
Putin's like, oh, you know, sure, let's make a deal.
And then he keeps firing the missiles. Milania is spot
on here, I say, and this is the game that
Putin is playing. He's saying I want I want peace too,
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and then he just keeps firing missiles and doing even
more so he's making Trump look bad, and making Trump
look bad is not smart because he doesn't take wealth
to that. So I think that you're going to see
a major escalation here of the kind of munitions that
we're giving. But I just want to be clear, that
is a shift in policy, and the Trump base should
be aware of that. That is a major shift in
policy that is underway right now. I'm actually surprised that
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this has not. We had a massive debate about whether
we should get involved in Iran, right everybody out there
who voted for Trump. There were people who said, oh,
it's going to start World War iie, oh, there's going
to be thousands of Americans that die. Oh gas prices
are going to go to over ten dollars a gallon.
All and true, but there were people out there making
(26:54):
the argument that if we joined Israel and attacked that
there would be major consequences. Hey, this was not America first,
this is not what I voted for. Suddenly, on Ukraine,
there's almost.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
No discussion about this at all, such that I think
a huge percentage of you out there are hearing about
this for the first time. Now, my analysis is that
Trump is trying to by doing this, let Russia know, hey,
it's time to put down the weapons, and if you're
not gonna do that, there may be consequences for you,
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Russia that you have had not to contemplate prior to Now.
The downside of this is if that doesn't work, then
we are looking at an accelerated amount of fighting that
could be occurring not only in Ukraine but also in Russia.
So I don't know how this is going to play out,
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but I think what Buck just said is very important.
This is very different than hey, we're gonna even the
Biden team basically said we're only going to give offensive
weaponry if any And I think part of this is
it's it's upsetting the political calculus, which is what Trump
candidly does regularly, such that the left would have to say, wow,
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Trump is actually more supportive of Ukraine than Biden ever was,
and that many people on the right would have to say,
wait a minute, this is different than what we thought
we were getting.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And so a lot of people just pretend it's not happening.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Candidly, well, this is this is a pivot, uh And
I don't see this going in some other direction. I
don't think it's a head fake, clay, because Putin has
slapped away Trump's outstretched hand on this one a few times,
and instead of even he he has he has used
the period of Trump's outreach to bring together some kind
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of a a at least a real ceasefire or durable
ceasefire on this to escalate tacks uh. And And so
clearly what he's doing is he's showing Trump that he
doesn't care, he doesn't care about these casual all that
are happening. In fact, he plans to punish the Ukrainian
military and the Ukrainian people more. And I just would
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say the concerns about the United States being dragged further
into this should still very much be in play for everybody,
because now you're talking about giving Ukraine weapons that can
reach into Russia and hit Russian infrastructure. Because if you
don't do this, Russia is just gonna effectively overwhelm and
(29:30):
become so dominant in this conflict that then you're really
not going to be able to get them to stop.
But how does Russia escalate and what is the Russian
response to this? And you talk about patriot missiles. This
is an advanced system that we're going to be operating
inside of Ukrainian territory. We're gonna, you know, where do
we stop this? So I'm just very aware of the
(29:53):
fact that we're concerned about mission creep in the Middle East.
We're concerned about mission creep and Ukraine, the mission's creeping
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's creeping a little bit. That's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Isn't it super fair to say that there's almost no
discussion about this And it was a one hundred or
one thousand to one the debate about in terms of
coverage and contemplation and debate in terms of what we
should do with Iran associated with Israel, and now this
Ukraine Russia decision by large isn't getting any attention at all.
(30:28):
I just think that's very interesting. And again, I think
anyone trying to predict how Vladimir Putin is going to
respond to anything.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's difficult.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think the calculus that Trump is putting in play
here is the only thing that Putin responds to is
force and threat of force. And so Ukraine needs the
ability to threaten Russia in their home country or else.
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Speaker 2 (32:06):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
We'll get some talkbacks, some tall, some good things going
on here. Jimmy in Texas love Us used to run
Patriot missile batteries. Uh, Jimmy, you're the expert. Tell us
what's going on.
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Yeah, So before I started just wanting to see him,
the big fan glad to tick over for a wrestling bosh.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh, thank you sir, Yes.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Sir, I want to give a carpel medicine. Thank y'all
for it covers a all gotten Texans, So I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
I'm gonna get short and quick patrio assistance.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
Back when I was getting out to coast, what twenty
million a missile basically, Uh, but they're they were really long,
really thick.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Now they're short, they're small. Uh one launcher you used
to carry four. Now they carry about sixteen. And maybe
that's probably even more than what they have now. But
the technology is definitely upgraded. Back then, you know, the
point to explosion ratio was I think maybe about ten
to fifteen feet. I'm sure it's down even closer to that,
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maybe by a foot when it comes to impact and
explosion on impact, so being able to take out a drone.
I don't think that they any of our allies any
if Ukraine got the upgraded systems or if they got
the older systems, but would not have any issues. But
I would not doubt that President Trump would not allow
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that to happen when it comes to making sure that
Ukraine has a correct defense systems in question.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I mean, Jimmy, my understanding is that they're going to
try to use the Patriots Patriot missiles to shoot down
the more traditional missiles with a heavier payload that Russia
sends in. After they do this, they do this tactic
of drone swarming to throw off the counter you know,
the counter battery fire or the counter UAV fire, et cetera.
(34:02):
And they so they do a drawn a drone swarm
and then they send the missiles in. So I think
the Patriots are for those missiles and the drones. This
is a drone versus drone war. It's crazy already what
we're seeing going on here with with with thousands and
thousands of these things being deployed.
Speaker 10 (34:20):
Well, it's very tactical, I mean, I wouldn't doubt that.
I would basically call it the SAM.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
You know, the Sam's missiles is probably what russ Is
still has, is what they're still using when it comes
to fighting wars as well as their You, they have
an upgrade technology when it comes to their Russian planes.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
But I if they give them the older systems yet,
then they may have a different area of being able
to explode when it when it come in contact or
whatever it close. But if they're going to be focusing
on those old I would say old schools SAMs that
rest are probably may still use, then yes, the Patriots,
(34:57):
the old Patriot systems are not going to be a
problem with I appreciate it going.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
All right, Hey, thank you so much, and thank you
for your service. Thanks for being with us and shedding
some expertise on the situation. We appreciate you, sir, Thank you.
Corey says here Buck. Everyone knows how anti war President
Trump is. This is probably just a tactic for negotiation,
showing putin we will supply certain weapons to Ukraine, ultimately
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making this negotiation tactic to get a ceasefire. I don't
think Trump wants that. Notch in his belt. He brought
America into new war piece through strength. I think that
is the argument that Trump would make, which is the
argument that we made on the show, that it's really
about showing Putin some consequences for not engaging in a ceasefire,
which frankly he may not feel right now.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
The downside is buck.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Ah, he's not feeling the consequences, folks, He's going to
have to do something. Putin's winning this war and we're
looking like we can't do a damn thing to stop
it right now. And that's why, you know, so as
a negotiating tactic, the negotiations have gotten us nothing so far.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Now, look, I could be wrong. You want to bet
on a Corey. Corey.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
If I'm right, and we send the Patriots and we
send more stuff, you got to email In and say, wow, Buck,
you know something. Because the problem right now is Putin's
having his way with us while we have these negotiatings,
negotiations going on to Clay, I don't think the threat
of maybe doing something is going to get Putin to
do anything.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I think that's the challenge.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And I think Trump is getting frustrated because he thought
that he could get this stopped, and so far he
has not been able to, and so he's figuring out, Hey,
what can I do?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
How do I change the game plan here?
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I mean, trust me, Trump and these calls with Putin
is probably saying, look, buddy, you don't want to go
behind door number two, and Putin's saying, maybe I do.