February 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Elon's DOGE email fires up the government workforce. The art of the deal, Trump style, taking place in the Oval Office with French President Emmanuel Macron. May Mailman, Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Policy Strategist, on the dustup with Maine's Governor, Janet Mills. Maine residents call the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
And the government is getting quite a shake up, as
you know. By that we mean the permanent bureaucracy. Maybe
not the permanent anymore. We'll see some big changes underway there.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And you've had.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Trump firing two thousand USAID workers, thousands more placed on lead.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
A lot of.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
People who are probationary employees to federal government who have
been hired in the last two years are likely to
be told that they have to go do something else.
And people are watching this, I think, and it is
both refreshing and also highly entertaining to see the reaction
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from the Democrats and the Democrat media, whatever's left of it.
And here here's where I am, Clay. You know, there
are some movies that I really associate with being a
kind of a young a young adult, you know. And
one that I think I might have watched in college
most more than anything other movie was a Mike Judge
(01:14):
film by the name of Office Space. Oh yeah, And
if you have not seen Office Space, it is in
its own way. It's a pretty simple.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Straightforward premise. It is in its own way, kind of
brilliant and very very amusing. Uh it is. It is
not for kids.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This is an adults only kind of movie, but it's
it's really gets to the heart of the soulless driving
out to some office park for a job you don't
want to do and for a boss who doesn't care
and has you know, the whole thing, right, it's just
the the linoleum floor, track lighting, cubicle prison that so
(01:56):
many of us were afraid we would spend our lives
in circa you know, the year two thousand, right, And
in a sense, the Matrix I think also builds off
of this in a very different way. But back to
office space. One of the great moments in office space
is these two consultants who are really just there to
fire people, right, it's just outsourcing or firing. They come
(02:18):
in and they're known as the two Bobs because both
of their names are Bob, and they ask in this
film various employees of I think it's called In a Tech.
I have seen the movie so many times that I
can remember these details. They ask the employees of inn
Tech a very straightforward question, but one that is terrifying
to some of them, what would you say you do here?
(02:40):
And there one there's one fellow who this results in
him completely melting down and freaking out and screaming at
them that he's good with people, which is very amusing.
I bring all of this up because the federal government
received an email recently meeting employees. Civil servants received an
email and it's from Doge and Elon and the subject
(03:04):
line is what did you do last week? And it
asks for five bullets of what you accomplished in the
last week. People that get this are supposed to copy
their manager. They're obviously not supposed to send classified info.
And the deadline has already passed. It was Monday at
noon and clay, the simple what would you say you do?
(03:28):
Hear email from Elon to the federal workforce has resulted
in panic and outrage. I think this is a brilliant
maneuver for a whole bunch of reasons we can get into.
But this is just showing so much, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Could you imagine if you were in a job in
the private sector and someone sent you an email and said, hey,
can you just tell me what you do? And the
response is I don't have to do. I'm not going
to dignify that with the response. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Look, several things that jump out of me.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
First of all, I thought David Sacks's answer to how
Elon ended up going through along with his assistance and
firing people at Twitter. If what he said is true
that fifty percent of the engineers that were hired to
code had not coded in recent history, then a lot
of people are being hired to do things that they're
(04:21):
not actually doing. I would also submit to you, if
you have to explain to your boss what you do,
you're probably not that useful.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like most of the people that we employ at OutKick,
I know exactly what they do on a day to
day basis. Now obviously as entities become larger that becomes
more difficult. But if your boss doesn't know what you do,
then I would submit that you are very much unnecessary
in the larger apparatus. And I really do think there
(04:57):
has not been as much discussion surrounding, you know, when
I was mentioning to David buck Us being out of dinner,
the number of I think CEOs CFOs, people who are
in management authority and have suspected that there are lots
of people employed at their organizations that are in duplicative
roles are not particularly necessary to the profitability of the company.
(05:21):
Has long been bandied about as a discussion. But when
Elon fired seventy five or eighty percent of Twitter, and
remember everybody, this is important. Everybody out there was like, oh,
Twitter's never going to work now. All of the people
that don't actually have to make money at their jobs,
that in other words, are not engaged in profitably running
(05:43):
businesses on a day to day basis said that, and
then what happened. There's been very little attention on this,
but David Sachs laid it out. It's actually now public.
Elon doubled the amount of profitability inside of Twitter while
cutting the overall revenue fairly substantially. Because advertisers bailed. Now
(06:04):
advertisers are starting to come back, and I think there
is a very strong chance buck that Twitter is going
to go to levels of profitability that is never achieved
before because what they had basically done was later on
seventy five or eighty percent of the staff that were
completely unnecessary. Now that is a for profit business, that
(06:27):
is they had to Prior to this, they had to
report their earnings, they had to report everything as a
public company, and they were trying to make money. You
can't tell me that seventy five or eighty percent of
the federal government couldn't be replaced and that there would
be virtually no impact, particularly now in an AI age.
(06:49):
The only objection to this that I've heard from anybody
who knows what's going on, and it's not really an objection,
it's just more of a cautionary note, is yeah, you
can get rid of a huge portion of these federal agencies,
but just make sure you keep the right percentage, meaning
that there are people who are doing good work and
(07:09):
are necessary in some of the constitutionally valid and necessary
federal agencies.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You know, it would not be a it would not
be a good idea to in fact take the State
Department down to zero.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
That would be a very bad idea. We do need
to have some form.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Of diplomatic relations with other countries around the world. We
need people to be able to stamp visas and you know,
do all this stuff. I mean, there's there is there's
need for some of these things that only the federal
government can do. The state governments are not you know,
it's not valid for them to try. But if you're so,
the point is just if you're going to cut eighty percent,
make sure you're keeping the right twenty percent. I think
that's a valid concern. I also think that Elon is
(07:48):
very aware of that, and that's why some of these,
in some of these situations, some of these examples that
have already come up, Clay, Elon thinks, and you can
see this. You know, you can say, hey, Elon thinks
and be correct because he shares it on Twitter, so
we know what he thinks about you. We don't have
to say guesses, which is also a whole change in
politics and everything else that's gone on. Now you know
(08:10):
what Trump is thinking, you know what Elon's thinking because
they share it with you directly on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
You don't have to go through some filter.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Of, oh, may maybe in three months CBS is going
to have a sit down with them or something. I mean,
that's all nonsenses. We know, but Elon thinks, Clay. There'll
be a lot of people who don't who we'll see
the deadline just passed, who don't respond at all because
they don't respond to emails because they don't log into
their government emails because they don't really do anything, yes,
and that is a very easy way to smoke out
(08:40):
in essence, who isn't even really a who's effectively a
no show employee from home, which I'm sure there are.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Quite a few.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The reports are that over one hundred eight thousand people
now have accepted the offer to be bought out.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is that is the number?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So if we have two million federal workers, what is
that two million federal workers? If one hundred thousand take it,
that is a very small percentage, but it is a
decline overall in the employment. And if they can fire
another couple one hundred thousand that they determine aren't particularly
valuable in nature, that's a massive savings over time. And
(09:20):
remember Elon's trying to get a trillion dollars cut out
of the budget, and then the goal is to grow
the economy fast enough such that we get back to
a balanced budget. We're about two trillion over right now.
So this is the overall schematic that he's working with.
I mean, just imagine also the political win. There's the
economic win based in math, which is what Clay was
(09:42):
just laying out. If you make the numbers work, Oh
my gosh, guess what, we're in a different place. But
also the political win of hey, you know how we've
had a Republican party that for a long time, the
theory has been, oh, we can't actually do anything meaningful
about our spending problem unless we cut entitlements, you know,
(10:04):
or or you know, make real changes to the entitlement
programs Medicare and Social Security. That's always it's always Medicare
and Social Security. Now maybe there's still truth to that,
Maybe that still is going to be how the numbers
shake out. If Elon can cut a trillion dollars from
the budget, it does make it feel like there's a
whole lot else that can be done and that will
(10:24):
support those programs. By the way, one of the biggest
problems is massive Medicare fraud.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
They assume it's about.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Eighty to one hundred billion dollars a year clay, as
we've talked about here, that is that has been the
assumption pre Doge, pre Elon, that's been the assumption stretching
back for decades, that they're just spending they're spending huge
amounts of money that they shouldn't spend, including a lot
of it just straight up fraud. Okay, well, if you
can cut one hundred billion dollars that you know, and
maybe it's more than that. These things all add up.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It all helps. It's like running a household budget.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Would you have ever believed that Elon would be as
active and effective as he has been in the first
month If we had been trying to assess post, you know,
we'd come on here November sixth then said, Hey, I
like the idea of Elon being involved as sort of
his footprint in the administration grew.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I got to tell you, never would have thought that
he would be as committed as he has been. I
underestimated his degree of intro I've never underestimated. I mean,
I've been saying the guy's a genius for years. I
think he is a genius, quite quite obviously. But I
underestimated his degree of grit in tackling this problem. I
(11:36):
thought he was going to look at this and say,
I'm going to go back to just launching my rockets
where I call all the shots, because this government is
just such a disgusting mess that it's it's you know, overwhelming,
and they're not letting me do anything, and he has
proven that to be an incorrect assumption.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
He has come out guns blazing on this stuff. And yeah,
there's some core challenges and the Democrats trying to slow
this stuff down as much as they possibly can. They're
paying a political price with this too. This does not
look good for them. The Democrats who are just trying
to stop fraud from being rooted out. They think that
they're just because they're doing the opposite of what Trump
(12:15):
and Elon want. This is what they have to do,
but it's not a good look for them. This isn't
like a fight where there's two sides that have substantial support.
I don't think there's any support for paying fraudulent government
dollars to massive programs, or paying employees who don't actually
show up the work. When we come back Buck Trump
has been meeting with Emmanuel McCrone in the White House.
(12:37):
He has said just now when I sent producer Greg
to audio, that he thinks we could have a ceasefire
in Ukraine within a matter of weeks, that he is
very optimistic.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
We will talk about that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That would be in addition to all the stuff that's
going on at doge the border being shut down. But
can you imagine if we have peace or at least
a ceasefire in the Middle East and in Europe before
we even hardly get to spring. We'll play you the
absolute latest on that. It seems like there is a
great deal of positive momentum to potentially end the killing
in Ukraine. Will break all that down for you. And
(13:11):
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of the hostages taken at the Nova Festival. In fact,
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I'm a dad, it was really difficult to hear him
talk about having a young son that has been held
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The Art of the deal Trump style as it pertains
(14:59):
to Russia and Ukraine. Right now in the Oval Office,
we're about to talk with may Melman, by the way,
who is in the O in the White House. But
Trump is meeting with Emmanuel McCrone and he just said
that he is optimistic there could be a cease fire
and a piece deal potentially in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Listen, I think the work could end soon within weeks.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I think smart, right, don't you think so? I'd
like to ask, have you? I think we could end
it within weeks if we're smart. If we're not smart,
it'll keep going and we'll keep losing young, beautiful people
that we shouldn't be dying.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And we don't want that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And remember when I said this could escalate into a
Third World War and we don't want that either.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, buck, where we seem to be correct me if
you disagree with any of this, and I want your
take quickly. Here minerals deal nearly done. Fifty percent would
go to the US and Ukraine, and there seems to
be an agreement. European troops would help to secure Ukraine,
not American troops. Russia would get some territory. This would
be an incredible accomplishment if it were to happen. I
(16:16):
just am at the point now where I am praying
for it. I think that it just shows you there's
so much here, Clay. One thing is the recklessness of
Democrats putting a dementiapation in the Oval office. It's not
just that it's absurd and makes the country look like
we're just an unseerious nation. Now there are real consequences
(16:40):
to that, putting someone who, remember the other side was saying,
if Donald Trump wins, the world ends, and now we
find is Donald Trump wins, and maybe a big war ends.
Having the wrong person at the levers of power has
consequences that include life and death, and in this case,
life and death for hundreds of thousands of people now
not Americans, but they are still human beings, and we
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would like to see all of them. We'd like to
see all of the people that are still remaining in
Russia and Ukraine be able to put down the guns
and stop this madness. So Clay, it would be a
win the likes of which even Trump's biggest attractors, I
think would have to would have to admit was pretty
incredible to come right off the bat. Although they're going
(17:23):
to I think they're gonna say that, Okay, yeah, I'm
glad the war's over, but Trump sold out Ukraine. I
think that's probably what's coming from them. But I also
think that anybody who is a serious person will know
that that's pathetic, kind of like when they say, why
are you finding all the fraudulent government payments? Keep paying
for the fraudulent government payments like it's insane. No, there's
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We are excited to be joined for the first time
today from the White House by May Mailman, Deputy Assistant
to the President and Senior Policies Strategist.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
May.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Welcome to Clay and Buck. Thanks thanks for calling.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
In, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So we saw something get a lot of attention over
the weekend. Here a little exchange between the leader of
the free world, number forty seven, Donald J. Trump, President
of United States, and the governor of Maine. We wanted
everybody to hear how this exchange went, May, and then
have your reaction to it and what we should expect
is going to come from it. Played the clip.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way, that's good.
But I understand Maine is the Maine here, the governor
of Maine. Are you not going to comply with it
federal law, Well we are the federal law. Well you
better do it. You better do it because you're not
going to get any federal funding at all if you don't.
And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, Lolo,
(19:55):
I did very well there. Your population doesn't want men
playing in women's sports, so you better comply, because otherwise
you're not getting any federal funding. See every state. Good,
I'll see you, and good. I look forward to that.
That should be a really easy one. And enjoy your
life after governor, because I don't think you'll be in
elected politics.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
President Trump not messing around there may and he's not
a man who's afraid of court either.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, well, Main's governor is an idiot, I think is
really how you can describe that, which is she wants
to lose all of her federal funding in order to
make sure that men win women's pole vaulting and can
watch women shower like that's what this is about. And
(20:41):
guess what when she says she's going to comply with
federal law, Great, I've got a good one for her.
It's called Title nine. And Title nine requires that women
be given equal opportunities and education programs. Women cannot be
given equal opportunity to education programs if they can't have
women's sports. If you can only give it, here's your
women's sports. Oh, also it has men in it, so
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you're not giving women's sports at all, and you don't
make men have to face unfair competition only the women,
and so that's not equal opportunity. And also by saying
women cannot have privacy dignity. And the women who you've
talked to that have had to face this, their grades suffer,
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they get stomach ulcers, they don't use the bathroom, they
don't use the locker rooms. Paul Scanlon at the University
of Pennsylvania would run home after swimming completely soaking wet
in Pennsylvania in winter. I mean, it's abusive to women.
And that's what Main's governor would like to do.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Okay, I want to hit you with some facts because
I went on when this broke on Friday. Seventy nine
percent of Americans agree with President Trump here that men
shouldn't be competing in women's sports. That's according to the
New York Times, ninety four percent of Republics sixty seven
percent though of Democrats as well. May in addition to
(22:07):
the legality that you just laid out, I think you're
a Harvard walgrad kind of a kind of an impressive thing.
But also isn't the sheer public support for Trump in
a state that was, as he said, relatively close fifty
two forty five was how that came down closely in
(22:28):
Maine against Kamala and Trump won one of the electoral votes.
There isn't it crazy that Maine's governor and Democrats in
general would pick this as the battleground based on what
the general public thinks of this issue.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, on one hand, I'm so glad they are because
it like it solidifies their lack of existence as a
serious political party. And on the other it's really sad
because you know, it's it's harming women. But after the
Trump won the election, I think there was some in
(23:02):
the Democrat parties, Oh, you know, we need to be normal, like,
let's try and be a little bit more normal. And
I said, no, I don't think they're going to be
more normal because they can't. I mean, they're so committed
to this stuff. The first page of their platform when
they did their Democratic National Convention was a land acknowledgment
(23:24):
saying they weren't really in Chicago, they were like in
the ancestral homelands of the Okee Shanabi tribe. That's where
the Democrat Party is. And so of course they are
doubling and tripling down on women not having a right
to women's sports. And I don't exactly know what's going
to break them of this, but it's not going to
be Seth Moulten from Massachusetts say hey, hey, can we
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be a little bit more normal because the core of
the party, the core of the party really does believe
this stuff. It's not like it's not what the American
public believes, but like they believe it in their core
that it is a good, it's a national good to have.
Men and women's sports.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Were speaking of May Mailman, Deputy Assistant to the President
and senior policy strategist. She's calling us from the White
House today and May, I don't know if you saw this,
but it goes right to what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
There was a clip.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
In exchange between I think it was one of the
Pods Save guys, you know, those like left wing Obama
era guys, and Bill Maher.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's definitely Bill Maher.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So it's a Democrat and Bill Maher and he says, essentially,
if you guys don't stop with this gender transition for
minors stuff, you're going to lose every election for the
foreseeable future. And what's fascinating is the Democrat again, I
forget the guy's name, is like horrified by this idea
and thinks, oh no, we have to double and triple
down on gender transitions for minors.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, this is the thing. So Main's governor is no leader.
She is a follower and she is following her party.
And so when Tisha James says, all of the hospitals
in New York are going to continue to mutilate miners,
mutilate and castrate miners, when California says this, when Minnesota
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says this, you know, Janet Mills just wants to be
part of the cool kids club. But it's it's pretty
pathetic because the Democrat Party doesn't actually have a leader.
And so all of these people who are trying to
be woke, like who are you?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Who are you.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Showing off for Chuck Schumer? I mean, who's the leader
of the Democratic Party AOC. Who's actually making decisions? There's nobody,
And so that's who's making decisions. It's like the liberal
professors on Blue Sky. It's like the people who used
to censor us on Twitter. That's who's leading the Democratic
Party is nobody. It's a mob. It's a mob of
woke idiots who are over educated sitting in their parents' basement.
(25:51):
And so that's a real problem that the Democrats have
to have to respond to. It's the pod save guys
getting everybody worked up, but that victim culture of oh
my god, this is parable, this is terrible. I'm you know,
we need more men in women's sports. It is a
lack of leadership in the Democrat Party and I don't
actually see a leader emerging who's normal.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We're talking.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
We appreciate her calling in from the White House right now.
Mae Mailman, you just were talking about the experience on Friday.
There is a report that I believe it was the
chief of staff or one of the main governor's associates
that was outraged by the president's interaction with the main governor.
(26:31):
Did you see that. I'm sure you saw the reporting
on it. What was the vibe in the room after
the interaction.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Like okay, so this is hilarious but also so telling.
So yeah, this the governor's meeting which was on Friday,
forty six governors. This is a bipartisan event. We're talking
about a super bypart is an issue which is no
men in women's sports. And of course, then the governor
of Maine stands up and says, I'm going to ensue
you basically, and yeah, it was tense in the room.
(26:58):
Is crazy, I mean, the president has an invited you
into his home and here you are acting in transigent
and also on such an unpopular issue. So the next
morning at nine am, the chiefs of staff come in
to ask any questions that they'd like to the White
House staff, and one of the White House staffers, great guy,
(27:18):
Alex Meyer, really nice kid, and Maine the main chief
of staff comes up and says, you know, I hate you.
Basically I want to do all this women's sports and
we said no, you've got to you got to save
women's sports for women, and he said f u u
asshole and stormed out of the room. So this is
(27:38):
this is the childish behavior of the state of Maine
is screaming that you're an a hole to the head
of inner governmental affairs at the White House and marching out.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So this is crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I appreciate you sharing this story because I've I've heard
it happened.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But I mean, for the governor of Maine.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Again, this is a state that Trump won an electoral
vote from, and I would imagine an overwhelming number because
we took calls on Friday from main residents actually agree
with the president here. That's kind of a crazy thing
for the chief of staff to be doing, right, I mean,
from any state in the White House, I think, but
(28:21):
to react like this to something that the overwhelming majority
of your citizens would support has to be kind of
staggering even to you.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, I mean, this is a total activist. So he
a former Planned Parenthood staffer, is activism is very much
in his DNA and Alex Meyer and the White House
said that this guy had his full speech prepared. He
wanted to make a name for himself, and so, you
(28:50):
know what, you do have a name for yourself. Now
you're known as an unhinged lunatic who's screaming at random
White House staffers. But you know who wasn't surprised was
the Republicans in the state of Maine, who came up
right after this story broke and said, We've been dealing
with this guy forever. So this chief of staff for
(29:11):
the state of Maine basically treats himself as a mini
governor and has been lording over all the people of Maine,
being totally impossible to work with. And apparently even after
he had stormed out of the room, which was totally
for theatrics. He still really needed to stay in the
room because he wanted to touch base with people. He
might have had some more questions, and so he actually
(29:31):
just lurked outside the room. So he stormed off, and
instead of going anywhere, he just stayed out like right
outside the room.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
May did you have any idea when you signed up
to work in this White House that the first sixty
days or first thirty days rather going on sixty now
was going to be just such a blizzard of activity?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So I did and I didn't. So I was here
all four years last time, and it was busy. The
first one hundred d were busy, but it was nothing
like this. And I didn't do transition during Trump one
point zero, but I did transition this time. And so
I can tell you I kind of knew because we
(30:12):
were preparing all the executive orders, and I could tell
it was going to be busy. But one thing that
I didn't anticipate is the first time we'd sign a
lot of things, they would say a lot of words,
and then it would be like pulling teeth trying to
get people to actually do them. And there was a
lot of disagreement and now we'll sign something and people
(30:33):
implement them way more aggressively than I even wrote them.
I'm like, oh, wow, you didn't need to do it that.
The implementation has been night and day different. So it
keeps us all on our toes. It's a lot of work,
but I think part of it is everybody's inspired, very
inspirational by the last four years of basically crisis in
(30:56):
this country, and so people are working at a different pace.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
May, we'll have you on again soon. Love you with
the insider stories here. Keep fighting the good fight and
appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
All right, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
That's May Melman and Buck.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That story wow, I mean the main chief of staff
losing his mind will open up phone lines. We got
a bunch of things still coming your way, Lee Zeldon
at the top of the next hour. But I bet
some main residents would like to weigh in on that
because I don't know that that story has really gotten
out there the reaction the next day. So if we
(31:32):
can clip and share that team, I think that'll do well.
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you subscribe, use codebook Buck. We were just talking about
what was going on at the White House and when
people are deeply unpopular sometimes like I believe Maine's governor's
decision is on this particular issue.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And Darryl on the mid coast of Maine wants to
call in. What do you think about this? Would you
have believed in Maine? How do you think your fellow
what are they main maners? What are the people of
Maine called? Daryl will know? Yeah, we're called Okay, what
do you think your fellow maners think about your governor
(34:49):
saying men should be able to play women's sports and
fighting with Trump about it in the Oval office.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
The majority are embarrassed. The ultrump, the ultra side alto
laugh are calling her a hero. I've seen it on
Facebook posts. It's sad. Most most fan plase We're not
against anyone being making their own decisions but we want
our children to have opportunity that's equal and fair for everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Amen, thank you for the call. John wants to call
in Central Maine. He's a former lacrosse coach. You said,
this is the kind of thing why you don't want
to coach anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, it's good after you, guys. It's a pleasure to
talk to you, guys. Larry, I've coached for almost twenty
plus years, varsity boys and girls sports, high school level
and college level. It's disgusting. I mean, the governor here
is corrupt anyway, she is out of her mind.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The people here.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
There's a large movement now going on since this happened
on Friday. What's happening before too? Because I have contacts
with some people in the Republican side in Washington, with
some people that they these things are already going to OCR.
A lot of things are being reported, but it's also
deeply entrenched in the schools and the curriculums and everything
else as well. This goes far beyond sports. But if
it was me and I was coaching and that happened
(36:08):
my girls, we're out of there. We're not freaking competing.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That's I think that's absolutely the right move, by the way, sir,
that's the intelligent and honorable thing.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
People should just say no.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Imagine you're a coach of a girls high school team
and some girl gets her nose broken by a guy
he says he's a girl. It's crazy, absolutely insane. Lee
Zeldon coming back with us next
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
And the government is getting quite a shake up, as
you know. By that we mean the permanent bureaucracy. Maybe
not the permanent anymore. We'll see some big changes underway there.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And you've had.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Trump firing two thousand USAID workers, thousands more placed on lead.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
A lot of.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
People who are probationary employees to federal government who have
been hired in the last two years are likely to
be told that they have to go do something else.
And people are watching this, I think, and it is
both refreshing and also highly entertaining to see the reaction
(00:51):
from the Democrats and the Democrat media, whatever's left of it.
And here here's where I am, Clay. You know, there
are some movies that I really associate with being a
kind of a young a young adult, you know. And
one that I think I might have watched in college
most more than anything other movie was a Mike Judge
(01:14):
film by the name of Office Space. Oh yeah, And
if you have not seen Office Space, it is in
its own way. It's a pretty simple.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Straightforward premise. It is in its own way, kind of
brilliant and very very amusing. Uh it is. It is
not for kids.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This is an adults only kind of movie, but it's
it's really gets to the heart of the soulless driving
out to some office park for a job you don't
want to do and for a boss who doesn't care
and has you know, the whole thing, right, it's just
the the linoleum floor, track lighting, cubicle prison that so
(01:56):
many of us were afraid we would spend our lives
in circa you know, the year two thousand, right, And
in a sense, the Matrix I think also builds off
of this in a very different way. But back to
office space. One of the great moments in office space
is these two consultants who are really just there to
fire people, right, it's just outsourcing or firing. They come
(02:18):
in and they're known as the two Bobs because both
of their names are Bob, and they ask in this
film various employees of I think it's called In a Tech.
I have seen the movie so many times that I
can remember these details. They ask the employees of inn
Tech a very straightforward question, but one that is terrifying
to some of them, what would you say you do here?
(02:40):
And there one there's one fellow who this results in
him completely melting down and freaking out and screaming at
them that he's good with people, which is very amusing.
I bring all of this up because the federal government
received an email recently meeting employees. Civil servants received an
email and it's from Doge and Elon and the subject
(03:04):
line is what did you do last week? And it
asks for five bullets of what you accomplished in the
last week. People that get this are supposed to copy
their manager. They're obviously not supposed to send classified info.
And the deadline has already passed. It was Monday at
noon and clay, the simple what would you say you do?
(03:28):
Hear email from Elon to the federal workforce has resulted
in panic and outrage. I think this is a brilliant
maneuver for a whole bunch of reasons we can get into.
But this is just showing so much, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Could you imagine if you were in a job in
the private sector and someone sent you an email and said, hey,
can you just tell me what you do? And the
response is I don't have to do. I'm not going
to dignify that with the response. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Look, several things that jump out of me.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
First of all, I thought David Sacks's answer to how
Elon ended up going through along with his assistance and
firing people at Twitter. If what he said is true
that fifty percent of the engineers that were hired to
code had not coded in recent history, then a lot
of people are being hired to do things that they're
(04:21):
not actually doing. I would also submit to you, if
you have to explain to your boss what you do,
you're probably not that useful.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like most of the people that we employ at OutKick,
I know exactly what they do on a day to
day basis. Now obviously as entities become larger that becomes
more difficult. But if your boss doesn't know what you do,
then I would submit that you are very much unnecessary
in the larger apparatus. And I really do think there
(04:57):
has not been as much discussion surrounding, you know, when
I was mentioning to David buck Us being out of dinner,
the number of I think CEOs CFOs, people who are
in management authority and have suspected that there are lots
of people employed at their organizations that are in duplicative
roles are not particularly necessary to the profitability of the company.
(05:21):
Has long been bandied about as a discussion. But when
Elon fired seventy five or eighty percent of Twitter, and
remember everybody, this is important. Everybody out there was like, oh,
Twitter's never going to work now. All of the people
that don't actually have to make money at their jobs,
that in other words, are not engaged in profitably running
(05:43):
businesses on a day to day basis said that, and
then what happened. There's been very little attention on this,
but David Sachs laid it out. It's actually now public.
Elon doubled the amount of profitability inside of Twitter while
cutting the overall revenue fairly substantially. Because advertisers bailed. Now
(06:04):
advertisers are starting to come back, and I think there
is a very strong chance buck that Twitter is going
to go to levels of profitability that is never achieved
before because what they had basically done was later on
seventy five or eighty percent of the staff that were
completely unnecessary. Now that is a for profit business, that
(06:27):
is they had to Prior to this, they had to
report their earnings, they had to report everything as a
public company, and they were trying to make money. You
can't tell me that seventy five or eighty percent of
the federal government couldn't be replaced and that there would
be virtually no impact, particularly now in an AI age.
(06:49):
The only objection to this that I've heard from anybody
who knows what's going on, and it's not really an objection,
it's just more of a cautionary note, is yeah, you
can get rid of a huge portion of these federal agencies,
but just make sure you keep the right percentage, meaning
that there are people who are doing good work and
(07:09):
are necessary in some of the constitutionally valid and necessary
federal agencies.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You know, it would not be a it would not
be a good idea to in fact take the State
Department down to zero.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
That would be a very bad idea. We do need
to have some form.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Of diplomatic relations with other countries around the world. We
need people to be able to stamp visas and you know,
do all this stuff. I mean, there's there is there's
need for some of these things that only the federal
government can do. The state governments are not you know,
it's not valid for them to try. But if you're so,
the point is just if you're going to cut eighty percent,
make sure you're keeping the right twenty percent. I think
that's a valid concern. I also think that Elon is
(07:48):
very aware of that, and that's why some of these,
in some of these situations, some of these examples that
have already come up, Clay, Elon thinks, and you can
see this. You know, you can say, hey, Elon thinks
and be correct because he shares it on Twitter, so
we know what he thinks about you. We don't have
to say guesses, which is also a whole change in
politics and everything else that's gone on. Now you know
(08:10):
what Trump is thinking, you know what Elon's thinking because
they share it with you directly on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
You don't have to go through some filter.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Of, oh, may maybe in three months CBS is going
to have a sit down with them or something. I mean,
that's all nonsenses. We know, but Elon thinks, Clay. There'll
be a lot of people who don't who we'll see
the deadline just passed, who don't respond at all because
they don't respond to emails because they don't log into
their government emails because they don't really do anything, yes,
and that is a very easy way to smoke out
(08:40):
in essence, who isn't even really a who's effectively a
no show employee from home, which I'm sure there are.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Quite a few.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The reports are that over one hundred eight thousand people
now have accepted the offer to be bought out.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is that is the number?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So if we have two million federal workers, what is
that two million federal workers? If one hundred thousand take it,
that is a very small percentage, but it is a
decline overall in the employment. And if they can fire
another couple one hundred thousand that they determine aren't particularly
valuable in nature, that's a massive savings over time. And
(09:20):
remember Elon's trying to get a trillion dollars cut out
of the budget, and then the goal is to grow
the economy fast enough such that we get back to
a balanced budget. We're about two trillion over right now.
So this is the overall schematic that he's working with.
I mean, just imagine also the political win. There's the
economic win based in math, which is what Clay was
(09:42):
just laying out. If you make the numbers work, Oh
my gosh, guess what, we're in a different place. But
also the political win of hey, you know how we've
had a Republican party that for a long time, the
theory has been, oh, we can't actually do anything meaningful
about our spending problem unless we cut entitlements, you know,
(10:04):
or or you know, make real changes to the entitlement
programs Medicare and Social Security. That's always it's always Medicare
and Social Security. Now maybe there's still truth to that,
Maybe that still is going to be how the numbers
shake out. If Elon can cut a trillion dollars from
the budget, it does make it feel like there's a
whole lot else that can be done and that will
(10:24):
support those programs. By the way, one of the biggest
problems is massive Medicare fraud.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
They assume it's about.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Eighty to one hundred billion dollars a year clay, as
we've talked about here, that is that has been the
assumption pre Doge, pre Elon, that's been the assumption stretching
back for decades, that they're just spending they're spending huge
amounts of money that they shouldn't spend, including a lot
of it just straight up fraud. Okay, well, if you
can cut one hundred billion dollars that you know, and
maybe it's more than that. These things all add up.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It all helps. It's like running a household budget.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Would you have ever believed that Elon would be as
active and effective as he has been in the first
month If we had been trying to assess post, you know,
we'd come on here November sixth then said, Hey, I
like the idea of Elon being involved as sort of
his footprint in the administration grew.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I got to tell you, never would have thought that
he would be as committed as he has been. I
underestimated his degree of intro I've never underestimated. I mean,
I've been saying the guy's a genius for years. I
think he is a genius, quite quite obviously. But I
underestimated his degree of grit in tackling this problem. I
(11:36):
thought he was going to look at this and say,
I'm going to go back to just launching my rockets
where I call all the shots, because this government is
just such a disgusting mess that it's it's you know, overwhelming,
and they're not letting me do anything, and he has
proven that to be an incorrect assumption.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
He has come out guns blazing on this stuff. And yeah,
there's some core challenges and the Democrats trying to slow
this stuff down as much as they possibly can. They're
paying a political price with this too. This does not
look good for them. The Democrats who are just trying
to stop fraud from being rooted out. They think that
they're just because they're doing the opposite of what Trump
(12:15):
and Elon want. This is what they have to do,
but it's not a good look for them. This isn't
like a fight where there's two sides that have substantial support.
I don't think there's any support for paying fraudulent government
dollars to massive programs, or paying employees who don't actually
show up the work. When we come back Buck Trump
has been meeting with Emmanuel McCrone in the White House.
(12:37):
He has said just now when I sent producer Greg
to audio, that he thinks we could have a ceasefire
in Ukraine within a matter of weeks, that he is
very optimistic.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
We will talk about that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That would be in addition to all the stuff that's
going on at doge the border being shut down. But
can you imagine if we have peace or at least
a ceasefire in the Middle East and in Europe before
we even hardly get to spring. We'll play you the
absolute latest on that. It seems like there is a
great deal of positive momentum to potentially end the killing
in Ukraine. Will break all that down for you. And
(13:11):
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(13:33):
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(14:59):
to Russia and Ukraine. Right now in the Oval Office,
we're about to talk with may Melman, by the way,
who is in the O in the White House. But
Trump is meeting with Emmanuel McCrone and he just said
that he is optimistic there could be a cease fire
and a piece deal potentially in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Listen, I think the work could end soon within weeks.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I think smart, right, don't you think so? I'd
like to ask, have you? I think we could end
it within weeks if we're smart. If we're not smart,
it'll keep going and we'll keep losing young, beautiful people
that we shouldn't be dying.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And we don't want that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And remember when I said this could escalate into a
Third World War and we don't want that either.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, buck, where we seem to be correct me if
you disagree with any of this, and I want your
take quickly. Here minerals deal nearly done. Fifty percent would
go to the US and Ukraine, and there seems to
be an agreement. European troops would help to secure Ukraine,
not American troops. Russia would get some territory. This would
be an incredible accomplishment if it were to happen. I
(16:16):
just am at the point now where I am praying
for it. I think that it just shows you there's
so much here, Clay. One thing is the recklessness of
Democrats putting a dementiapation in the Oval office. It's not
just that it's absurd and makes the country look like
we're just an unseerious nation. Now there are real consequences
(16:40):
to that, putting someone who, remember the other side was saying,
if Donald Trump wins, the world ends, and now we
find is Donald Trump wins, and maybe a big war ends.
Having the wrong person at the levers of power has
consequences that include life and death, and in this case,
life and death for hundreds of thousands of people now
not Americans, but they are still human beings, and we
(17:02):
would like to see all of them. We'd like to
see all of the people that are still remaining in
Russia and Ukraine be able to put down the guns
and stop this madness. So Clay, it would be a
win the likes of which even Trump's biggest attractors, I
think would have to would have to admit was pretty
incredible to come right off the bat. Although they're going
(17:23):
to I think they're gonna say that, Okay, yeah, I'm
glad the war's over, but Trump sold out Ukraine. I
think that's probably what's coming from them. But I also
think that anybody who is a serious person will know
that that's pathetic, kind of like when they say, why
are you finding all the fraudulent government payments? Keep paying
for the fraudulent government payments like it's insane. No, there's
(17:45):
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We are excited to be joined for the first time
today from the White House by May Mailman, Deputy Assistant
to the President and Senior Policies Strategist.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
May.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Welcome to Clay and Buck. Thanks thanks for calling.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
In, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So we saw something get a lot of attention over
the weekend. Here a little exchange between the leader of
the free world, number forty seven, Donald J. Trump, President
of United States, and the governor of Maine. We wanted
everybody to hear how this exchange went, May, and then
have your reaction to it and what we should expect
is going to come from it. Played the clip.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way, that's good.
But I understand Maine is the Maine here, the governor
of Maine. Are you not going to comply with it
federal law, Well we are the federal law. Well you
better do it. You better do it because you're not
going to get any federal funding at all if you don't.
And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, Lolo,
(19:55):
I did very well there. Your population doesn't want men
playing in women's sports, so you better comply, because otherwise
you're not getting any federal funding. See every state. Good,
I'll see you, and good. I look forward to that.
That should be a really easy one. And enjoy your
life after governor, because I don't think you'll be in
elected politics.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
President Trump not messing around there may and he's not
a man who's afraid of court either.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, well, Main's governor is an idiot, I think is
really how you can describe that, which is she wants
to lose all of her federal funding in order to
make sure that men win women's pole vaulting and can
watch women shower like that's what this is about. And
(20:41):
guess what when she says she's going to comply with
federal law, Great, I've got a good one for her.
It's called Title nine. And Title nine requires that women
be given equal opportunities and education programs. Women cannot be
given equal opportunity to education programs if they can't have
women's sports. If you can only give it, here's your
women's sports. Oh, also it has men in it, so
(21:03):
you're not giving women's sports at all, and you don't
make men have to face unfair competition only the women,
and so that's not equal opportunity. And also by saying
women cannot have privacy dignity. And the women who you've
talked to that have had to face this, their grades suffer,
(21:26):
they get stomach ulcers, they don't use the bathroom, they
don't use the locker rooms. Paul Scanlon at the University
of Pennsylvania would run home after swimming completely soaking wet
in Pennsylvania in winter. I mean, it's abusive to women.
And that's what Main's governor would like to do.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Okay, I want to hit you with some facts because
I went on when this broke on Friday. Seventy nine
percent of Americans agree with President Trump here that men
shouldn't be competing in women's sports. That's according to the
New York Times, ninety four percent of Republics sixty seven
percent though of Democrats as well. May in addition to
(22:07):
the legality that you just laid out, I think you're
a Harvard walgrad kind of a kind of an impressive thing.
But also isn't the sheer public support for Trump in
a state that was, as he said, relatively close fifty
two forty five was how that came down closely in
(22:28):
Maine against Kamala and Trump won one of the electoral votes.
There isn't it crazy that Maine's governor and Democrats in
general would pick this as the battleground based on what
the general public thinks of this issue.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, on one hand, I'm so glad they are because
it like it solidifies their lack of existence as a
serious political party. And on the other it's really sad
because you know, it's it's harming women. But after the
Trump won the election, I think there was some in
(23:02):
the Democrat parties, Oh, you know, we need to be normal, like,
let's try and be a little bit more normal. And
I said, no, I don't think they're going to be
more normal because they can't. I mean, they're so committed
to this stuff. The first page of their platform when
they did their Democratic National Convention was a land acknowledgment
(23:24):
saying they weren't really in Chicago, they were like in
the ancestral homelands of the Okee Shanabi tribe. That's where
the Democrat Party is. And so of course they are
doubling and tripling down on women not having a right
to women's sports. And I don't exactly know what's going
to break them of this, but it's not going to
be Seth Moulten from Massachusetts say hey, hey, can we
(23:46):
be a little bit more normal because the core of
the party, the core of the party really does believe
this stuff. It's not like it's not what the American
public believes, but like they believe it in their core
that it is a good, it's a national good to have.
Men and women's sports.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Were speaking of May Mailman, Deputy Assistant to the President
and senior policy strategist. She's calling us from the White
House today and May, I don't know if you saw this,
but it goes right to what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
There was a clip.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
In exchange between I think it was one of the
Pods Save guys, you know, those like left wing Obama
era guys, and Bill Maher.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's definitely Bill Maher.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So it's a Democrat and Bill Maher and he says, essentially,
if you guys don't stop with this gender transition for
minors stuff, you're going to lose every election for the
foreseeable future. And what's fascinating is the Democrat again, I
forget the guy's name, is like horrified by this idea
and thinks, oh no, we have to double and triple
down on gender transitions for minors.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, this is the thing. So Main's governor is no leader.
She is a follower and she is following her party.
And so when Tisha James says, all of the hospitals
in New York are going to continue to mutilate miners,
mutilate and castrate miners, when California says this, when Minnesota
(25:11):
says this, you know, Janet Mills just wants to be
part of the cool kids club. But it's it's pretty
pathetic because the Democrat Party doesn't actually have a leader.
And so all of these people who are trying to
be woke, like who are you?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Who are you.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Showing off for Chuck Schumer? I mean, who's the leader
of the Democratic Party AOC. Who's actually making decisions? There's nobody,
And so that's who's making decisions. It's like the liberal
professors on Blue Sky. It's like the people who used
to censor us on Twitter. That's who's leading the Democratic
Party is nobody. It's a mob. It's a mob of
woke idiots who are over educated sitting in their parents' basement.
(25:51):
And so that's a real problem that the Democrats have
to have to respond to. It's the pod save guys
getting everybody worked up, but that victim culture of oh
my god, this is parable, this is terrible. I'm you know,
we need more men in women's sports. It is a
lack of leadership in the Democrat Party and I don't
actually see a leader emerging who's normal.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We're talking.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
We appreciate her calling in from the White House right now.
Mae Mailman, you just were talking about the experience on Friday.
There is a report that I believe it was the
chief of staff or one of the main governor's associates
that was outraged by the president's interaction with the main governor.
(26:31):
Did you see that. I'm sure you saw the reporting
on it. What was the vibe in the room after
the interaction.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Like okay, so this is hilarious but also so telling.
So yeah, this the governor's meeting which was on Friday,
forty six governors. This is a bipartisan event. We're talking
about a super bypart is an issue which is no
men in women's sports. And of course, then the governor
of Maine stands up and says, I'm going to ensue
you basically, and yeah, it was tense in the room.
(26:58):
Is crazy, I mean, the president has an invited you
into his home and here you are acting in transigent
and also on such an unpopular issue. So the next
morning at nine am, the chiefs of staff come in
to ask any questions that they'd like to the White
House staff, and one of the White House staffers, great guy,
(27:18):
Alex Meyer, really nice kid, and Maine the main chief
of staff comes up and says, you know, I hate you.
Basically I want to do all this women's sports and
we said no, you've got to you got to save
women's sports for women, and he said f u u
asshole and stormed out of the room. So this is
(27:38):
this is the childish behavior of the state of Maine
is screaming that you're an a hole to the head
of inner governmental affairs at the White House and marching out.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So this is crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I appreciate you sharing this story because I've I've heard
it happened.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But I mean, for the governor of Maine.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Again, this is a state that Trump won an electoral
vote from, and I would imagine an overwhelming number because
we took calls on Friday from main residents actually agree
with the president here. That's kind of a crazy thing
for the chief of staff to be doing, right, I mean,
from any state in the White House, I think, but
(28:21):
to react like this to something that the overwhelming majority
of your citizens would support has to be kind of
staggering even to you.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, I mean, this is a total activist. So he
a former Planned Parenthood staffer, is activism is very much
in his DNA and Alex Meyer and the White House
said that this guy had his full speech prepared. He
wanted to make a name for himself, and so, you
(28:50):
know what, you do have a name for yourself. Now
you're known as an unhinged lunatic who's screaming at random
White House staffers. But you know who wasn't surprised was
the Republicans in the state of Maine, who came up
right after this story broke and said, We've been dealing
with this guy forever. So this chief of staff for
(29:11):
the state of Maine basically treats himself as a mini
governor and has been lording over all the people of Maine,
being totally impossible to work with. And apparently even after
he had stormed out of the room, which was totally
for theatrics. He still really needed to stay in the
room because he wanted to touch base with people. He
might have had some more questions, and so he actually
(29:31):
just lurked outside the room. So he stormed off, and
instead of going anywhere, he just stayed out like right
outside the room.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
May did you have any idea when you signed up
to work in this White House that the first sixty
days or first thirty days rather going on sixty now
was going to be just such a blizzard of activity?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So I did and I didn't. So I was here
all four years last time, and it was busy. The
first one hundred d were busy, but it was nothing
like this. And I didn't do transition during Trump one
point zero, but I did transition this time. And so
I can tell you I kind of knew because we
(30:12):
were preparing all the executive orders, and I could tell
it was going to be busy. But one thing that
I didn't anticipate is the first time we'd sign a
lot of things, they would say a lot of words,
and then it would be like pulling teeth trying to
get people to actually do them. And there was a
lot of disagreement and now we'll sign something and people
(30:33):
implement them way more aggressively than I even wrote them.
I'm like, oh, wow, you didn't need to do it that.
The implementation has been night and day different. So it
keeps us all on our toes. It's a lot of work,
but I think part of it is everybody's inspired, very
inspirational by the last four years of basically crisis in
(30:56):
this country, and so people are working at a different pace.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
May, we'll have you on again soon. Love you with
the insider stories here. Keep fighting the good fight and
appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
All right, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
That's May Melman and Buck.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That story wow, I mean the main chief of staff
losing his mind will open up phone lines. We got
a bunch of things still coming your way, Lee Zeldon
at the top of the next hour. But I bet
some main residents would like to weigh in on that
because I don't know that that story has really gotten
out there the reaction the next day. So if we
(31:32):
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what was going on at the White House and when
people are deeply unpopular sometimes like I believe Maine's governor's
decision is on this particular issue.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And Darryl on the mid coast of Maine wants to
call in. What do you think about this? Would you
have believed in Maine? How do you think your fellow
what are they main maners? What are the people of
Maine called? Daryl will know? Yeah, we're called Okay, what
do you think your fellow maners think about your governor
(34:49):
saying men should be able to play women's sports and
fighting with Trump about it in the Oval office.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
The majority are embarrassed. The ultrump, the ultra side alto
laugh are calling her a hero. I've seen it on
Facebook posts. It's sad. Most most fan plase We're not
against anyone being making their own decisions but we want
our children to have opportunity that's equal and fair for everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Amen, thank you for the call. John wants to call
in Central Maine. He's a former lacrosse coach. You said,
this is the kind of thing why you don't want
to coach anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, it's good after you, guys. It's a pleasure to
talk to you, guys. Larry, I've coached for almost twenty
plus years, varsity boys and girls sports, high school level
and college level. It's disgusting. I mean, the governor here
is corrupt anyway, she is out of her mind.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The people here.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
There's a large movement now going on since this happened
on Friday. What's happening before too? Because I have contacts
with some people in the Republican side in Washington, with
some people that they these things are already going to OCR.
A lot of things are being reported, but it's also
deeply entrenched in the schools and the curriculums and everything
else as well. This goes far beyond sports. But if
it was me and I was coaching and that happened
(36:08):
my girls, we're out of there. We're not freaking competing.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That's I think that's absolutely the right move, by the way, sir,
that's the intelligent and honorable thing.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
People should just say no.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Imagine you're a coach of a girls high school team
and some girl gets her nose broken by a guy
he says he's a girl. It's crazy, absolutely insane. Lee
Zeldon coming back with us next
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