May 29, 2025 • 37 mins
In Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Buck Sexton dives deep into the Trump administration’s ongoing battle with elite American universities over foreign student visa policies. This hour centers on the “America First” approach to higher education, with a strong critique of institutions like Harvard and MIT for enrolling disproportionately high numbers of international students—reportedly up to 30%—while benefiting from U.S. taxpayer funding and federal student loan backing. Sexton argues that American students should receive overwhelming priority in admissions, especially at universities that rely heavily on federal support. He questions the return on investment for American taxpayers, challenging universities to justify how their research and programs directly benefit the U.S. public. The conversation also touches on the controversial role of foreign funding, particularly from China and Middle Eastern countries, and the potential national security risks posed by foreign nationals studying sensitive technologies and defense-related subjects. The discussion expands to include the broader geopolitical implications of allowing students from adversarial nations, especially China, to access American academic and research institutions. Sexton highlights espionage concerns and criticizes the lax security protocols at many universities. He emphasizes that the Trump administration is justified in restricting visas for students from countries that pose a strategic threat to U.S. interests. A powerful moment in the hour features a firsthand account from a former hostage, Omer Shem Tov, held by Hamas, who claims his treatment improved significantly after Donald Trump was elected—underscoring Trump’s perceived strength on foreign policy and national security. Sexton uses this testimony to reinforce the argument that America’s enemies fear Trump’s leadership and are more cautious in their actions when he is in power. The hour concludes with a compelling caller segment, including a veteran who shares her experience at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, where foreign student enrollment was as high as 70%. She supports Sexton’s stance, citing real-world examples of how foreign nationals have exploited U.S. education for hostile purposes, including connections to the 9/11 hijackers.
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kicks off now. And I want to keep going on
this fight with the universities that Trump is in the
midst of. And I do think it is really important
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for a whole bunch of reasons, and that's why the
administration is focused on it. That's why they'll continue to
fight this out in the courts. I mentioned the first
hour and Obama appointed judge in Boston. No surprise is
said Trump can't stop visas of foreign students going to Harvard.
I have been following this issue for a long time.
I think it is this goes in the category of
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why are we doing dumb things that no other country
that is a smart country would do. And Trump comes
along and asks that question and does something about it.
And I will make that case to you. Now, we
had a caller, and I appreciate the caller, you know,
bringing his perspective to this. In Savannah, which he probably knows,
is a town that I still I just love that town.
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I love it so much that people I know who
live there are like, you know, I don't know if
you'd love it as much if you lived here. I'm like, yes,
I would. I love Savannah, Georgia, but big fan, big
fan of the town or of the city. And here's
what I would say. When we're talking about policy, there
are always going to be anecdotes, individuals, situations where on
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a human level, on just a personal compassion level, you're
going to say, oh, but what about you know what
about this person, and like, this person's okay. I am
not impugning any individual or you know, anyone who has
come into the country necessarily as a foreign student. I
have friends who are foreign students, Like, I get it.
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But we've got a problem. And the problem is not
high school exchange students who come here and decide they love,
you know, Seinfeld, Coca Cola and six Flags Great Adventure.
The Six Flags Great Adventure still exist. It does, right,
does it? Does it? I don't even know. I just
remember as a kid seeing the commercials all the time.
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I was never really a theme park guy. It wasn't
really my not really my thing. I don't know. Clay's
at a theme park, I think today. So we'll get
his review when he comes back from it. But on
the foreign students issue, let me explain to you why
I think this matters so much, because there are many
levels to this. First of all, on on a just
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purely America first level, these are institutions that are great
because of and their greatness is in much more question
now there used to be. But these brands were built
in this country, by this country. I feel a little
bit the way about this, the way I do with
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Silicon Valley and the the Hubris and the just unbelievable
disdain that some of those companies show the country. That
is the only reason they had the ability to do
what they have done. This stuff isn't happening in Europe, everybody,
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And the stuff that's happening in China, a lot of
it is actually stolen from us. That's a whole other
part of the conversation we're about to get into. But
this is and what I mean by that is not
this isn't Obama, you know, you didn't build that. It's
it is because of our free market, which is backed well,
you know, we just had Memorial Bay. We only have
our freedom in our free markets because Americans died for
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it for centuries. Okay, that's why we have the thing
we have, because there were our fellow Americans who were
willing to give their lives to protect this very special
thing that is America, which is for all of its
flaws and doesn't have that I mean, the flaws are
overblown by the left, of course, but for whatever flaws,
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it has the greatest, wealthiest, and most powerful country in
the history of known existence. That's quite a thing to say,
but that is true. So there's something very special and
unique about America that is worth protecting because it also
protects whatever freedoms exists in the rest of the world.
Whatever that changes a lot. If China becomes the Hedgemond,
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trust me, people in Edinburgh and Rio de Janeiro, they're
going to feel it, and not in a good way.
So this is what we have to remember. There are
bigger issues in bigger forces at work here, and if
America first is to be taken seriously, a A Kins
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should get overwhelming preference and priority at American universities, overwhelming
preference and priority at Americas. Start with that. I know
some of these numbers. Do you want to know what
the number of foreign students is at at MIT, which
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is one of the most revered, you know, math and
science universities in the country, maybe the most sort of
famous and revered that Caltech, there was a few of them.
Thirty percent foreign? Really, Harvard thirty percent foreign. This is outrageous.
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I mean, as far as I'm going, this is crazy.
These places are only able to exist and charge the exorbitant,
exorbitant tuitions that they currently do because they are backstopped.
The loans are backstopped by the federal government. They have
all these programs they talk about, when was the last,
you know, what would be interesting, When was the last
time that one of these universities came out and did
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something like invented something really important based on the federal dollars?
Or are hearing a lot of this? What about the
research programs. Okay, Harvard, in the last ten years, what's
come out of your research programs that has benefited the
American people? Like, well, what INCREDI By the way, maybe
there are good answers to that, I just want to
hear them, but I don't want to hear Oh, we
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did the study on critical race theory, and you know,
and that's what they usually do. What is this money
actually going to? Uh, that's a I think that's a
fair question in and of itself. But if you're going
to take tax dollars, which means you and me we
are on the hook for this. This is taxpayer money,
and then you're going to take a third of your
students from countries all over the world. So that's the
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broader America first component of this, which is we should
have an America first university system, of course, and you
want to say, well, Buck, what does that mean? And
to work caller before he's like, but what about the
people who come here and they like, you know, they
like America. And I'm not saying I'm not discounting that.
I'm not I'm not disparaging that point of view. I'm
just saying, Okay, yeah, there should be we should as
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a country, there should be a cap on this. Maybe
it's ten percent, maybe it's five percent, and I mean,
really just the best of the best. What these schools
currently do is they jack up tuition. So you know,
now it's like basically seventy grand at most of these
private I think, you know, the high sixties or something
a year. So it's a quarter of a million dollars
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to send your kid to you know, Johns Hopkins or something.
I think Johns Hopkins gets the most money of any university.
I might add from the federal government. Uh, you know,
a lot of that probably goes toward really good medical stuff,
and I understand that, but these places should all be
telling us, hey, here's what we're doing. Now is the
time to make your case. Here's what Because I think
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there's a lot of stuff going on at Harvard with
those dollars that you'd say, what, you know, what, why
why is this happening? Who about this isn't benefiting the
American people or in any way worth the expenditure of
the US government. So that's the America first means Americans
get priorities in American universities, and college is full stop,
and priority is not thirty percent. I'm sorry. And you know,
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some of you might even say it should be if
they can't fill the slots with Americans, you know, that
would be it. That's probably a true America first. But
you know, I'm a reasonable guy. I'm a reasonable fellow.
So maybe we go you know, ten percent, five percent,
thirty percent is too much, full stop. This is insane. Okay,
this should not be happening, and it is, and it's
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at these elite universities in particular, and it's because they can.
Also they charge the foreign students. They don't get I
don't think they get financial aid. I forget all this
stuff works now, But so they charge, they pull pay
full freight, so they pay the outrageous tuitions. And then
you have, you know, middle class families, particularly if they're
middle class white families, they have to deal with the
reverse discrimination or just discrimination against their sons and daughters
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to get into these places. And I might add Asians too,
Asians and whites reverse discrimination. That's what the Supreme Court found.
This is you know, we shouldn't feel uncomfortable talking about this.
That is what has happened. It has been it was
harder for me to get into Amherst, and if I
was Asian American, it would have been harder for me
to get into Amherst. Then that was twenty years ago
more than that now I'm old than it was for
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a black or Latino student. That's just a fact, just
a fact. I had to have different grades, different boards,
you know, SATs. That's the truth, and that play that
out tens of millions of times across the country over
the last couple of decades. That's what these schools have done.
And that's so that's just on the America first principal
part of this. The other part of this is, guys,
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we can't be training and this is where you get
more into China. I'm less concerned about having, you know,
foreign students here from France. You know, maybe I want
to bumma outlas and talking about baguettes. I'm less worried
about France. China is a problem for us. Notice I'm
not singling out Japan. I have less of an issue
with Japanese university students coming here. I don't have any issue.
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I mean, I like Japanese people, they're great. Japan is
an ally and we don't suffer now every country. I'm
not doing the babe in the woods routine here, like
every country is actually an espionage threat to the United States.
Something you know when you're in the CIA, we get
a little too. Some of our very close allies have
been involved in very egregious espionage against the United States
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in living memory. So I get it. But we are
grading the threats here and Japan. Way different ballgame for
those Let's say that ten percent of students that I
would say, okay, you can be formed, way way different
ballgame than dealing with students from China. I'm sorry. China
is a direct competitor and a threat to the future
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of a world with America as its leader, which is
good for the whole world. China as the world leader
is bad for the world. China as a modern state
was founded by possibly the worst person in history, Mausetongue.
I really mean that, way worse numbers than Stalin or Hitler,
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way worse numbers, not even close, terms of people killed
and killed in the worst imaginable ways, and huge numbers.
And I think that now maybe the worst person who
has ever lived. My friend Michael Malice argued with me recently.
He said, what about Paul Pott higher percentage killed in Cambodia.
I'm like, yeah, but the numbers are way smaller. So
you know, you're talking about the most evil people in
all of human history, and the founder of modern China
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is one of the most evil people who have ever lived.
And that is just the truth. I don't think I'm
gonna get a Beijing visa any I've already been to China,
so I don't think they're giving me a visa anytime soon.
I'm not worried about it. But you say, well, Buck,
why do you care so much? Why not just me?
Why does the Trump administration care about these foreign students
that want to go to places like Harvard or MIT?
And Well, when you look at the things that you
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can study at MIT, and you look at the things
like the MIT Lincoln Laboratory, key areas, air missile and
maritime defense technology developing systems to protect against various threats
from the air see missiles, biotechnology, and human systems, you know,
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kind of like what they would call gain of I'm
not saying they're doing gain of function MIT, but you know,
stuff like virus research, I mean stuff like high level biotech.
I mean, that's that's going on there. You know, ISR systems,
space systems. These are fields of study that the government
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is paying for research to be done at a place
like MIT, and we're inviting foreign students to I know
they'd say, oh, but they're not clear for some of these.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the I'm sure the security protocols
at these universities, which are full of lunatic communists anyway,
you know, in the administrative staff and the faculty, I'm
sure they're really tight on all this stuff. And there's
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no legal Why do you think the Chinese loves sending
their university students here so much? There's people who have
known about these national security threats for years, have been
trying to ring the alarm bell. But this is a
big problem. We can't even begin to keep up with
all the penetration risks from the Chinese Communist Party on
our campus. And that's not even taken into account. I
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haven't even gotten all the anti semitism. I've even gotten
into the Middle East funds going into all these schools
and how that shaping policy. But America first, that means
the interests of American students, and that means the national
security and economic interests. Current and future of the American
polity that has to be taken into account by these
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universities or they lose federal funding. The right move they
should be able to lose. I mean, this is not
going to be a fight, but foreigners entering the country
or not is the executive brand. The ex secutive branch
has a lot of discretion in this. And if we
think that too many Chinese students are espionage threats and
risks to American universities, guess what the Trump administration should
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be able to say no. So this is a This is,
like I said, a very big deal and I'm very
happy to see that Trump and his team are on it.
And I want to hear what you think about this.
What did you agree with me? Should it be ten percent,
five percent? Should we cut down the numbers? And when
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So what are they saying over at Harvard about this Harvard?
You know, I went to college in Boston. You're supposed
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to not know, but you know, right, I went to
college in Boston, all right. Some of my best friends,
some of my best friends, went to Harvard. My roommate
when I was at CIA because I didn't make any money,
so I had roommates. My roommate went to Harvard, and
in fact, my two closest friends, or two of my
closest friends, two of my closest friends. There was one
guy who did not go to Harvard, but they were
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in the CIA. They were both they were Harvard men,
Harvard men. Well, what's the situation over at so I
just say that because I like to give Harvard the
rough stuff. What's the situation over at the university right now?
Here's the new president because the old one, as you remember,
got fired because she was a plagiarist. Hmm, Harvard President
Alan Garber, this is seventeen play.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It members of the class of twenty twenty five, from
down the street, across the country and around the world,
around the world, just as it should be.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
No, not thirty percent of you that disagree. That was
from commencement today at Harvard. I disagree. And if you
want to keep that stuff up, you should lose all
your federal funding. And there you go. Stop discriminating on
the basis of race, Start prioritizing Americans, stop teaching, you know,
lunatic hatred of the country. That is the only reason
you can exist as a university. And don't let thuggish
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morons intimidate, harass and threaten Jewish kids because they're Jewish.
How about that. I don't think that's what's unreasonable in that.
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this stuff with Harbor, which I think is pretty interesting.
But I wanted to switch gears here and think about
how a lot of what we're seeing happening right now.
You know, it's one thing when you argue in politics
and you can't have somebody who I think ends the
argument one way or the other. You know, oh, would
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this tax rate be better for growth? Or that text? Well,
you got to try one, and if you try one,
you haven't done the other. But sometimes you can actually
just get an authoritative voice on something who proves that
one side is correct or at least more correct than
the other. And on this issue of Donald Trump being
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able to get hostages returned, get people back who have
been held by Hamas, there is of course this effort
from the Democrats to be like, well, it's not like
Trump has just managed to do that. Really, let's think
this one through for a second. Hey, I've told you,
Clay's told you, We've discussed many times here on the
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show that there is a clear preference among you know what, Actually,
let me take a step back on this. It's important.
They're trying to tell you that somehow Donald Trump, who
just won with this huge mandate, the guy who took
a bullet in the ear and said fight, fight, fight,
the billionaire global brand building impresario, an entrepreneur and political phenomenon,
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who is scared of no one, and is doing this
because at this I mean, I thought it was clear
in the first term, to be clear with all of you,
and I know you agree, But he's doing this because
he loves the country and he thinks that he's the
best man for this moment. Okay, is it reasonable to
think that the enemies of the United States don't want
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that guy in charge? You know who they want in charge,
the guy with dementia who's not really in charge. What
is the counter argument to that? What are they going
to say, Oh, yeah, you know who really makes Putin shaken?
Is you know, shaking his little booties? Ron Klain. He
can't man. Once ron Klayan gets Putin on the phone,
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it's lights out, it's game over. Well, as we know,
the Democrats have had to admit that this is something
that was happening. There's no argument about this anymore, and
it was because they were exposed, right, never they got caught.
They didn't turn themselves in. The Democrats got caught on
the cover up of Biden's dementia the debate. They got caught.
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They were trying to pull off the caper and they
almost did. They almost did. So there's no you know,
there's like no belief that anybody should have that they're
coming clean or they have some honesty here or something
like that. So with that, I go back to is
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Trump what's trump better position to bring back hostile Americans
and israelis bring back hostages taken by Hamas than his predecessor.
Of course, we've made the argument that the answer is yes,
But here you can you can actually have one of
the hostages tell you himself that it's not just a theory,
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it's not just I make the case to you the
reality of Hamas because he heard them talking about it was, uh, oh,
they really don't want this Trump guy to be in charge.
Oh we better be nice to the hostages. Now they
might actually end up going home because we might get
called out and the pressure might get turned up. And
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here is this is a freed hostage. O Mayor sham
TeV he was talking to CNN last night and explaining
this part of the story. I want you to hear.
It's about a minute long play clip one.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, it seems he got me out, he got the
hostages out.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You talk to politics with them.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they wanted Kamala to be elected, but
as soon as a as A Donald Trump was elected,
they understood that he wants to bring the hostages back home. Yeah.
So immediately the way they treated me changed. So it's
if it's the amount of food. I could say this
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that when when Trump came into became president, Yeah, the
way they treated us changed for me personally, this is what.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I think, because they anticipated that a deal would come soon.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, and that's when they started giving you more food.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Exactly, more food, treated me better, you know, stopped cursing me,
stop speaking on me.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Trump becomes president, they stop cursing me, they stop spitting
at me, they stop mistreating me. Think about what kind
of powerful testimony this is about the reality of whether
or not the American people on a whole range of fronts,
but certainly as it pertains to our national security interests
and our presence on the world stage. What could make
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this more clear than exactly what this now freed hostage
was saying, which is the bad and Hamas are clearly
the bad guys. And I commend the Israelis for taking
as many Hamas fighters out as they can. They this
was their nine to eleven, the same way that America
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had a right to respond in you know, with with
with all necessary and due force for their own uh
security and their own preservation, the same way that we
have that right. The Israelis have that right. And Hamas
you know they had, Hamas has earned every dead Hamas
fighter that they have on their hands. Now they I
mean they they wanted this, truly, they wanted this, as
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we know they love they love death more than we
love life. This is what the Jihadas always say, and
unfortunately it's true, but doesn't mean we can't test out
the theory. And the Hamas terrorists who had captured and
were holding who holds hostages like this? What entity all
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these people are? Like? Oh, I'm so pro Palestinia. I
saw these uh one of these with this band I
think was imagined dragons. They're all holding up Palestinian flags?
What do they think about Hamas? I mean they're morons
obviously maybe they have some catchy songs. Fine, why do
all these people have to think they have to weigh
in on international politics? They know nothing, They're just completing neuramises,
they know absolutely nothing. In fact, if anything, they're useful
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idiots for some of the worst people in the world
or on the world stage, like a mos because they
approach this issue with just pure ignorance. They know nothing
about what's really going on, what has gone on. But
I just thought that that really hammered it home for
everyone to hear a hostage say that my actual treatment
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in captivity by those savages became markedly better the moment
Trump won, the day it's clear that uh, oh you know,
big daddy Trump is coming back. No more Biden, you know,
with the apple sauce and the blanket on his knees
and where am I? And you know what it was?
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What is that? It's don't ever forget the Democrats for
what they did on that. Don't ever think it's okay
your neighbor who was so smug, So smug, I'm sure,
especially in twenty twenty, especially in twenty twenty one, Oh,
I voted Democrat? How could you have voted for Trump?
How could you have done that? Really? How's that all? Look? Now,
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it's hard to even hard to even compare Trump and
Biden because it's comparing excellence with a non entity. It's
really like comparing a you know, if we're talking about combat,
this is like comparing a Navy seal to somebody who
didn't even show up for basic training. How do you
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compare these There's no comparison. Biden wasn't even really there's
a puppet, and now they want to act like this
is why you'll notice I try to focus a lot
here on the agenda. I try to talk about the
good things that Trump is doing because we can do
that because the opposition is a joke. Now we will
have to take them seriously again. They're gonna try to
(27:51):
take back the House. I get it. I'm not. This
is not a foreverything. But we do have a window
right now where it's pretty as clear as sailing is
you're gonna find in American politics. Trump has right now,
meaning you know, we've he has never been in a
better position to get important things done, and they're doing
the things. I was very frustrated in the first administration
(28:13):
on a few things early on, because you know they had,
they had some bad personnel choices, They had a lot
of notice. Think about how many stories you heard from
the first term of Trump that were about disloyalty in
these agencies and institutions. His stories were it was like
every day, there's another story, Oh, State Department didn't revolt,
(28:33):
Like I'm so upset. I work at the State Department,
and I'm like, I cry at my desk cause the Trump.
But I'm like, I'm thwarting his agenda every day. You know,
who is the guy?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
What was it? The anonymous I'm I'm stopping Trump by
by keeping you know, signatures off his desk, and I'm important.
It ever goes, who are you? Are you bringing Trump?
Is his big max once a day or something like, well,
who are you? Oh, I'm holding the Republic together? I
wrote it up in the Washington Post or I don't
(29:03):
even know.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
I'm big sert.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I don't even remember that guy's name. Like that actually
would have been a story if it was, you know,
if the person writing that editorial was like Ivanka or something, right,
I mean, if it was somebody who was close to Trump,
had the guy I don't remember that guy's name. And
now he's resistance.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
He's like, I'm a Republican, but all I do is
entertaining Democrats. What it is such a such a pathetic
and sad political and professional existence for these people who
their hatred of Trump has turned them into something that
is respected by neither side because they're not fully on
(29:40):
board with everything the left says, or at least they'll pretend,
but they only do things to hurt their own team.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And what a horrible place.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
I couldn't do it?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Are you could offer me whatever?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
You know?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It doesn't I couldn't do it. I mean, actually couldn't
just wake up and say, you know, well, I'm the
real Republican. I hate Trump and everybody who supports Trump
is wrong because I there's this now that industry I
think has dissipated a lot because the media outlets that
were propping these people up or places like MSNBC, and
their credibility is all in you know, in uh smoldering
(30:15):
as well. So yeah, yeah, I think it's very interesting,
very interesting to see how all of this plays out.
And I thought that that statement from the the person
who had been taken hostage by hamas it's not it's
(30:37):
not it's a not a revelation because you know and
I know that that stuff playing out in a million
different ways is true, but to have it confirmed is
always interesting, and it's just more data that we were
right about this. And like I said, the case about
Trump v. Biden and what that means for our interests
(30:58):
abroad and what that means for our allies in Israel
and other allies, the case is very strong Trump v
Biden without even this this kind of really clear data,
you know what I would consider sort of argument enders
on some of these issues, and then when you add
them in, you just go, what is what is the
other side? Even what world are they living in? Oh? Yeah,
(31:21):
Joe Biden. But Tony Blinken, I mean, look at look
at these people. Tony Blinken would be you know, in
over his head working in HR at some company that
you know, makes mufflers somewhere, Like, what is how are
these people running global foreign policy? How are these people
staring down our enemies and thinking it's a joke. The
(31:44):
whole thing was absurd. And the person who's calling the
shots over them, the person who's actually supposed to be
the you know, the grand strategic mind, is not of
right mind as a matter of fact, agreed on by
both sides. Yeah, pretty important stuff.
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let's sake, Mary in Florida wants to chat about foreign students.
Go ahead and.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Mary, Hi, it's hi bucket's Marie. Oh sorry, I wanted
to talk about that's okay. I went to a university
called every Riddle Aeronautical university called the Harvard of Disguise,
and this is thirty years ago. We had a lot
(33:39):
of foreign students on foreign visas that were there, especially
specifically for the engineering programs, and they would a lot
of times contractor what do you call it, an interim
with the government for a little while, and then they
go home.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Sure, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump ahead here a
little bit in our conversation, Marie, of what person percentage
would you say of your class were foreign students?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Probably seventy percent at least.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, that's way too I How many were from China?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
A very small class?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
How many were from China?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
China?
Speaker 5 (34:15):
It was it was the Middle East and Pakistan at
that time.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Okay, again, if it's Allied, do you understand my basic
premises here, I shouldn't say, I understand you agree with
my basic premises here that you know, because people calling
in like, oh but I I you know, well, there
was like a lovely student from you know, Santiago, Chile
in my class. I'm like, yeah, I'm not saying no
foreign students. I'm just saying it shouldn't be thirty percent
of our top universities and we shouldn't have Chinese guys
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studying how to shoot down our missiles.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Well, just to make a point to your point, I'm
agreeing with you one hundred percent. When nine to eleven happened,
I believe it was four of the hijackers had tried
to go to embry Riddle one I believe had gotten
enrolled and then got disenrolled for not going to class
because they were trying to learn systems and you know,
they wanted to learn it quick right, not go through
the process. So then they went and hijacked planes on
(35:08):
nine to eleven and committed a terrorist act. So this
is not conjecture. This is something that does go on,
has gone on. It doesn't matter what the country is
at any given time, it could be different, but it
is a real thing that we do need to be
concerned about. And then when I was in the military,
I saw that in next and sometimes overseas where you'd
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run into people that had gone to US universities and
they were actually gattis.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
So Marie, I just can I just throw a couple
of things out there for you. One, thank you for
your service to a plus call. Three you said, I
mean you've nailed anything else you want to add. I
totally agree with you, and I think that you see
exactly what I see.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
That people need to stop leading with their heart and
start looking at objectively because well you know.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
What it is, Marie too. Can I just say sorry,
you're just saying so many good things. You're getting me
fired up because your call is excellent. Because you serve
in the military, you understand it's not. Oh but you
know this guy from China or this this guy who
was like studying, he came here from Tehran. He said,
he loves America. If he goes back with a knowledge
set that lets him figure out how to shoot down
(36:15):
our next stealth bomber, that's a big friggin problem right
like this is. And so we have to have these safeguards.
Do you understand that? Thank you for calling in totally
agree with you, And yeah, that was excellent. I love
when the callers totally nail it. Yeah, So, like I
was saying, because I just I'm not anti for I'm
(36:37):
not anti foreigner, you know, I'm just we gotta have
the same way. I'm not anti immigrant at all. I
think immigrants are fantastic, and we just got to have
a system. We got to agree on the point of
the system, and we got to enforce that system. And
I think our system in America should be no university
with more than ten percent foreigners, and I'm open to
five percent.
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kicks off now. And I want to keep going on
this fight with the universities that Trump is in the
midst of. And I do think it is really important
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for a whole bunch of reasons, and that's why the
administration is focused on it. That's why they'll continue to
fight this out in the courts. I mentioned the first
hour and Obama appointed judge in Boston. No surprise is
said Trump can't stop visas of foreign students going to Harvard.
I have been following this issue for a long time.
I think it is this goes in the category of
(01:04):
why are we doing dumb things that no other country
that is a smart country would do. And Trump comes
along and asks that question and does something about it.
And I will make that case to you. Now, we
had a caller, and I appreciate the caller, you know,
bringing his perspective to this. In Savannah, which he probably knows,
is a town that I still I just love that town.
(01:26):
I love it so much that people I know who
live there are like, you know, I don't know if
you'd love it as much if you lived here. I'm like, yes,
I would. I love Savannah, Georgia, but big fan, big
fan of the town or of the city. And here's
what I would say. When we're talking about policy, there
are always going to be anecdotes, individuals, situations where on
(01:47):
a human level, on just a personal compassion level, you're
going to say, oh, but what about you know what
about this person, and like, this person's okay. I am
not impugning any individual or you know, anyone who has
come into the country necessarily as a foreign student. I
have friends who are foreign students, Like, I get it.
(02:09):
But we've got a problem. And the problem is not
high school exchange students who come here and decide they love,
you know, Seinfeld, Coca Cola and six Flags Great Adventure.
The Six Flags Great Adventure still exist. It does, right,
does it? Does it? I don't even know. I just
remember as a kid seeing the commercials all the time.
(02:30):
I was never really a theme park guy. It wasn't
really my not really my thing. I don't know. Clay's
at a theme park, I think today. So we'll get
his review when he comes back from it. But on
the foreign students issue, let me explain to you why
I think this matters so much, because there are many
levels to this. First of all, on on a just
(02:51):
purely America first level, these are institutions that are great
because of and their greatness is in much more question
now there used to be. But these brands were built
in this country, by this country. I feel a little
bit the way about this, the way I do with
(03:12):
Silicon Valley and the the Hubris and the just unbelievable
disdain that some of those companies show the country. That
is the only reason they had the ability to do
what they have done. This stuff isn't happening in Europe, everybody,
(03:35):
And the stuff that's happening in China, a lot of
it is actually stolen from us. That's a whole other
part of the conversation we're about to get into. But
this is and what I mean by that is not
this isn't Obama, you know, you didn't build that. It's
it is because of our free market, which is backed well,
you know, we just had Memorial Bay. We only have
our freedom in our free markets because Americans died for
(03:56):
it for centuries. Okay, that's why we have the thing
we have, because there were our fellow Americans who were
willing to give their lives to protect this very special
thing that is America, which is for all of its
flaws and doesn't have that I mean, the flaws are
overblown by the left, of course, but for whatever flaws,
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it has the greatest, wealthiest, and most powerful country in
the history of known existence. That's quite a thing to say,
but that is true. So there's something very special and
unique about America that is worth protecting because it also
protects whatever freedoms exists in the rest of the world.
Whatever that changes a lot. If China becomes the Hedgemond,
(04:40):
trust me, people in Edinburgh and Rio de Janeiro, they're
going to feel it, and not in a good way.
So this is what we have to remember. There are
bigger issues in bigger forces at work here, and if
America first is to be taken seriously, a A Kins
(05:01):
should get overwhelming preference and priority at American universities, overwhelming
preference and priority at Americas. Start with that. I know
some of these numbers. Do you want to know what
the number of foreign students is at at MIT, which
(05:22):
is one of the most revered, you know, math and
science universities in the country, maybe the most sort of
famous and revered that Caltech, there was a few of them.
Thirty percent foreign? Really, Harvard thirty percent foreign. This is outrageous.
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I mean, as far as I'm going, this is crazy.
These places are only able to exist and charge the exorbitant,
exorbitant tuitions that they currently do because they are backstopped.
The loans are backstopped by the federal government. They have
all these programs they talk about, when was the last,
you know, what would be interesting, When was the last
time that one of these universities came out and did
(06:07):
something like invented something really important based on the federal dollars?
Or are hearing a lot of this? What about the
research programs. Okay, Harvard, in the last ten years, what's
come out of your research programs that has benefited the
American people? Like, well, what INCREDI By the way, maybe
there are good answers to that, I just want to
hear them, but I don't want to hear Oh, we
(06:27):
did the study on critical race theory, and you know,
and that's what they usually do. What is this money
actually going to? Uh, that's a I think that's a
fair question in and of itself. But if you're going
to take tax dollars, which means you and me we
are on the hook for this. This is taxpayer money,
and then you're going to take a third of your
students from countries all over the world. So that's the
(06:50):
broader America first component of this, which is we should
have an America first university system, of course, and you
want to say, well, Buck, what does that mean? And
to work caller before he's like, but what about the
people who come here and they like, you know, they
like America. And I'm not saying I'm not discounting that.
I'm not I'm not disparaging that point of view. I'm
just saying, Okay, yeah, there should be we should as
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a country, there should be a cap on this. Maybe
it's ten percent, maybe it's five percent, and I mean,
really just the best of the best. What these schools
currently do is they jack up tuition. So you know,
now it's like basically seventy grand at most of these
private I think, you know, the high sixties or something
a year. So it's a quarter of a million dollars
(07:32):
to send your kid to you know, Johns Hopkins or something.
I think Johns Hopkins gets the most money of any university.
I might add from the federal government. Uh, you know,
a lot of that probably goes toward really good medical stuff,
and I understand that, but these places should all be
telling us, hey, here's what we're doing. Now is the
time to make your case. Here's what Because I think
(07:53):
there's a lot of stuff going on at Harvard with
those dollars that you'd say, what, you know, what, why
why is this happening? Who about this isn't benefiting the
American people or in any way worth the expenditure of
the US government. So that's the America first means Americans
get priorities in American universities, and college is full stop,
and priority is not thirty percent. I'm sorry. And you know,
(08:15):
some of you might even say it should be if
they can't fill the slots with Americans, you know, that
would be it. That's probably a true America first. But
you know, I'm a reasonable guy. I'm a reasonable fellow.
So maybe we go you know, ten percent, five percent,
thirty percent is too much, full stop. This is insane. Okay,
this should not be happening, and it is, and it's
(08:38):
at these elite universities in particular, and it's because they can.
Also they charge the foreign students. They don't get I
don't think they get financial aid. I forget all this
stuff works now, But so they charge, they pull pay
full freight, so they pay the outrageous tuitions. And then
you have, you know, middle class families, particularly if they're
middle class white families, they have to deal with the
reverse discrimination or just discrimination against their sons and daughters
(09:00):
to get into these places. And I might add Asians too,
Asians and whites reverse discrimination. That's what the Supreme Court found.
This is you know, we shouldn't feel uncomfortable talking about this.
That is what has happened. It has been it was
harder for me to get into Amherst, and if I
was Asian American, it would have been harder for me
to get into Amherst. Then that was twenty years ago
more than that now I'm old than it was for
(09:23):
a black or Latino student. That's just a fact, just
a fact. I had to have different grades, different boards,
you know, SATs. That's the truth, and that play that
out tens of millions of times across the country over
the last couple of decades. That's what these schools have done.
And that's so that's just on the America first principal
part of this. The other part of this is, guys,
(09:44):
we can't be training and this is where you get
more into China. I'm less concerned about having, you know,
foreign students here from France. You know, maybe I want
to bumma outlas and talking about baguettes. I'm less worried
about France. China is a problem for us. Notice I'm
not singling out Japan. I have less of an issue
with Japanese university students coming here. I don't have any issue.
(10:06):
I mean, I like Japanese people, they're great. Japan is
an ally and we don't suffer now every country. I'm
not doing the babe in the woods routine here, like
every country is actually an espionage threat to the United States.
Something you know when you're in the CIA, we get
a little too. Some of our very close allies have
been involved in very egregious espionage against the United States
(10:29):
in living memory. So I get it. But we are
grading the threats here and Japan. Way different ballgame for
those Let's say that ten percent of students that I
would say, okay, you can be formed, way way different
ballgame than dealing with students from China. I'm sorry. China
is a direct competitor and a threat to the future
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of a world with America as its leader, which is
good for the whole world. China as the world leader
is bad for the world. China as a modern state
was founded by possibly the worst person in history, Mausetongue.
I really mean that, way worse numbers than Stalin or Hitler,
(11:12):
way worse numbers, not even close, terms of people killed
and killed in the worst imaginable ways, and huge numbers.
And I think that now maybe the worst person who
has ever lived. My friend Michael Malice argued with me recently.
He said, what about Paul Pott higher percentage killed in Cambodia.
I'm like, yeah, but the numbers are way smaller. So
you know, you're talking about the most evil people in
all of human history, and the founder of modern China
(11:34):
is one of the most evil people who have ever lived.
And that is just the truth. I don't think I'm
gonna get a Beijing visa any I've already been to China,
so I don't think they're giving me a visa anytime soon.
I'm not worried about it. But you say, well, Buck,
why do you care so much? Why not just me?
Why does the Trump administration care about these foreign students
that want to go to places like Harvard or MIT?
And Well, when you look at the things that you
(11:58):
can study at MIT, and you look at the things
like the MIT Lincoln Laboratory, key areas, air missile and
maritime defense technology developing systems to protect against various threats
from the air see missiles, biotechnology, and human systems, you know,
(12:19):
kind of like what they would call gain of I'm
not saying they're doing gain of function MIT, but you know,
stuff like virus research, I mean stuff like high level biotech.
I mean, that's that's going on there. You know, ISR systems,
space systems. These are fields of study that the government
(12:41):
is paying for research to be done at a place
like MIT, and we're inviting foreign students to I know
they'd say, oh, but they're not clear for some of these.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the I'm sure the security protocols
at these universities, which are full of lunatic communists anyway,
you know, in the administrative staff and the faculty, I'm
sure they're really tight on all this stuff. And there's
(13:01):
no legal Why do you think the Chinese loves sending
their university students here so much? There's people who have
known about these national security threats for years, have been
trying to ring the alarm bell. But this is a
big problem. We can't even begin to keep up with
all the penetration risks from the Chinese Communist Party on
our campus. And that's not even taken into account. I
(13:24):
haven't even gotten all the anti semitism. I've even gotten
into the Middle East funds going into all these schools
and how that shaping policy. But America first, that means
the interests of American students, and that means the national
security and economic interests. Current and future of the American
polity that has to be taken into account by these
(13:47):
universities or they lose federal funding. The right move they
should be able to lose. I mean, this is not
going to be a fight, but foreigners entering the country
or not is the executive brand. The ex secutive branch
has a lot of discretion in this. And if we
think that too many Chinese students are espionage threats and
risks to American universities, guess what the Trump administration should
(14:09):
be able to say no. So this is a This is,
like I said, a very big deal and I'm very
happy to see that Trump and his team are on it.
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five percent? Should we cut down the numbers? And when
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You know, I went to college in Boston. You're supposed
(16:19):
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college in Boston, all right. Some of my best friends,
some of my best friends, went to Harvard. My roommate
when I was at CIA because I didn't make any money,
so I had roommates. My roommate went to Harvard, and
in fact, my two closest friends, or two of my
closest friends, two of my closest friends. There was one
guy who did not go to Harvard, but they were
(16:41):
in the CIA. They were both they were Harvard men,
Harvard men. Well, what's the situation over at so I
just say that because I like to give Harvard the
rough stuff. What's the situation over at the university right now?
Here's the new president because the old one, as you remember,
got fired because she was a plagiarist. Hmm, Harvard President
Alan Garber, this is seventeen play.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It members of the class of twenty twenty five, from
down the street, across the country and around the world,
around the world, just as it should be.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
No, not thirty percent of you that disagree. That was
from commencement today at Harvard. I disagree. And if you
want to keep that stuff up, you should lose all
your federal funding. And there you go. Stop discriminating on
the basis of race, Start prioritizing Americans, stop teaching, you know,
lunatic hatred of the country. That is the only reason
you can exist as a university. And don't let thuggish
(17:54):
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How about that. I don't think that's what's unreasonable in that.
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(19:26):
this stuff with Harbor, which I think is pretty interesting.
But I wanted to switch gears here and think about
how a lot of what we're seeing happening right now.
You know, it's one thing when you argue in politics
and you can't have somebody who I think ends the
argument one way or the other. You know, oh, would
(19:46):
this tax rate be better for growth? Or that text? Well,
you got to try one, and if you try one,
you haven't done the other. But sometimes you can actually
just get an authoritative voice on something who proves that
one side is correct or at least more correct than
the other. And on this issue of Donald Trump being
(20:07):
able to get hostages returned, get people back who have
been held by Hamas, there is of course this effort
from the Democrats to be like, well, it's not like
Trump has just managed to do that. Really, let's think
this one through for a second. Hey, I've told you,
Clay's told you, We've discussed many times here on the
(20:29):
show that there is a clear preference among you know what, Actually,
let me take a step back on this. It's important.
They're trying to tell you that somehow Donald Trump, who
just won with this huge mandate, the guy who took
a bullet in the ear and said fight, fight, fight,
the billionaire global brand building impresario, an entrepreneur and political phenomenon,
(20:55):
who is scared of no one, and is doing this
because at this I mean, I thought it was clear
in the first term, to be clear with all of you,
and I know you agree, But he's doing this because
he loves the country and he thinks that he's the
best man for this moment. Okay, is it reasonable to
think that the enemies of the United States don't want
(21:16):
that guy in charge? You know who they want in charge,
the guy with dementia who's not really in charge. What
is the counter argument to that? What are they going
to say, Oh, yeah, you know who really makes Putin shaken?
Is you know, shaking his little booties? Ron Klain. He
can't man. Once ron Klayan gets Putin on the phone,
(21:39):
it's lights out, it's game over. Well, as we know,
the Democrats have had to admit that this is something
that was happening. There's no argument about this anymore, and
it was because they were exposed, right, never they got caught.
They didn't turn themselves in. The Democrats got caught on
the cover up of Biden's dementia the debate. They got caught.
(22:03):
They were trying to pull off the caper and they
almost did. They almost did. So there's no you know,
there's like no belief that anybody should have that they're
coming clean or they have some honesty here or something
like that. So with that, I go back to is
(22:26):
Trump what's trump better position to bring back hostile Americans
and israelis bring back hostages taken by Hamas than his predecessor.
Of course, we've made the argument that the answer is yes,
But here you can you can actually have one of
the hostages tell you himself that it's not just a theory,
(22:49):
it's not just I make the case to you the
reality of Hamas because he heard them talking about it was, uh, oh,
they really don't want this Trump guy to be in charge.
Oh we better be nice to the hostages. Now they
might actually end up going home because we might get
called out and the pressure might get turned up. And
(23:11):
here is this is a freed hostage. O Mayor sham
TeV he was talking to CNN last night and explaining
this part of the story. I want you to hear.
It's about a minute long play clip one.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, it seems he got me out, he got the
hostages out.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You talk to politics with them.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they wanted Kamala to be elected, but
as soon as a as A Donald Trump was elected,
they understood that he wants to bring the hostages back home. Yeah.
So immediately the way they treated me changed. So it's
if it's the amount of food. I could say this
(23:52):
that when when Trump came into became president, Yeah, the
way they treated us changed for me personally, this is what.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I think, because they anticipated that a deal would come soon.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, and that's when they started giving you more food.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Exactly, more food, treated me better, you know, stopped cursing me,
stop speaking on me.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Trump becomes president, they stop cursing me, they stop spitting
at me, they stop mistreating me. Think about what kind
of powerful testimony this is about the reality of whether
or not the American people on a whole range of fronts,
but certainly as it pertains to our national security interests
and our presence on the world stage. What could make
(24:38):
this more clear than exactly what this now freed hostage
was saying, which is the bad and Hamas are clearly
the bad guys. And I commend the Israelis for taking
as many Hamas fighters out as they can. They this
was their nine to eleven, the same way that America
(24:58):
had a right to respond in you know, with with
with all necessary and due force for their own uh
security and their own preservation, the same way that we
have that right. The Israelis have that right. And Hamas
you know they had, Hamas has earned every dead Hamas
fighter that they have on their hands. Now they I
mean they they wanted this, truly, they wanted this, as
(25:20):
we know they love they love death more than we
love life. This is what the Jihadas always say, and
unfortunately it's true, but doesn't mean we can't test out
the theory. And the Hamas terrorists who had captured and
were holding who holds hostages like this? What entity all
(25:41):
these people are? Like? Oh, I'm so pro Palestinia. I
saw these uh one of these with this band I
think was imagined dragons. They're all holding up Palestinian flags?
What do they think about Hamas? I mean they're morons
obviously maybe they have some catchy songs. Fine, why do
all these people have to think they have to weigh
in on international politics? They know nothing, They're just completing neuramises,
they know absolutely nothing. In fact, if anything, they're useful
(26:03):
idiots for some of the worst people in the world
or on the world stage, like a mos because they
approach this issue with just pure ignorance. They know nothing
about what's really going on, what has gone on. But
I just thought that that really hammered it home for
everyone to hear a hostage say that my actual treatment
(26:26):
in captivity by those savages became markedly better the moment
Trump won, the day it's clear that uh, oh you know,
big daddy Trump is coming back. No more Biden, you know,
with the apple sauce and the blanket on his knees
and where am I? And you know what it was?
(26:47):
What is that? It's don't ever forget the Democrats for
what they did on that. Don't ever think it's okay
your neighbor who was so smug, So smug, I'm sure,
especially in twenty twenty, especially in twenty twenty one, Oh,
I voted Democrat? How could you have voted for Trump?
How could you have done that? Really? How's that all? Look? Now,
(27:10):
it's hard to even hard to even compare Trump and
Biden because it's comparing excellence with a non entity. It's
really like comparing a you know, if we're talking about combat,
this is like comparing a Navy seal to somebody who
didn't even show up for basic training. How do you
(27:31):
compare these There's no comparison. Biden wasn't even really there's
a puppet, and now they want to act like this
is why you'll notice I try to focus a lot
here on the agenda. I try to talk about the
good things that Trump is doing because we can do
that because the opposition is a joke. Now we will
have to take them seriously again. They're gonna try to
(27:51):
take back the House. I get it. I'm not. This
is not a foreverything. But we do have a window
right now where it's pretty as clear as sailing is
you're gonna find in American politics. Trump has right now,
meaning you know, we've he has never been in a
better position to get important things done, and they're doing
the things. I was very frustrated in the first administration
(28:13):
on a few things early on, because you know they had,
they had some bad personnel choices, They had a lot
of notice. Think about how many stories you heard from
the first term of Trump that were about disloyalty in
these agencies and institutions. His stories were it was like
every day, there's another story, Oh, State Department didn't revolt,
(28:33):
Like I'm so upset. I work at the State Department,
and I'm like, I cry at my desk cause the Trump.
But I'm like, I'm thwarting his agenda every day. You know,
who is the guy?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
What was it? The anonymous I'm I'm stopping Trump by
by keeping you know, signatures off his desk, and I'm important.
It ever goes, who are you? Are you bringing Trump?
Is his big max once a day or something like, well,
who are you? Oh, I'm holding the Republic together? I
wrote it up in the Washington Post or I don't
(29:03):
even know.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
I'm big sert.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I don't even remember that guy's name. Like that actually
would have been a story if it was, you know,
if the person writing that editorial was like Ivanka or something, right,
I mean, if it was somebody who was close to Trump,
had the guy I don't remember that guy's name. And
now he's resistance.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
He's like, I'm a Republican, but all I do is
entertaining Democrats. What it is such a such a pathetic
and sad political and professional existence for these people who
their hatred of Trump has turned them into something that
is respected by neither side because they're not fully on
(29:40):
board with everything the left says, or at least they'll pretend,
but they only do things to hurt their own team.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And what a horrible place.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
I couldn't do it?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Are you could offer me whatever?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
You know?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It doesn't I couldn't do it. I mean, actually couldn't
just wake up and say, you know, well, I'm the
real Republican. I hate Trump and everybody who supports Trump
is wrong because I there's this now that industry I
think has dissipated a lot because the media outlets that
were propping these people up or places like MSNBC, and
their credibility is all in you know, in uh smoldering
(30:15):
as well. So yeah, yeah, I think it's very interesting,
very interesting to see how all of this plays out.
And I thought that that statement from the the person
who had been taken hostage by hamas it's not it's
(30:37):
not it's a not a revelation because you know and
I know that that stuff playing out in a million
different ways is true, but to have it confirmed is
always interesting, and it's just more data that we were
right about this. And like I said, the case about
Trump v. Biden and what that means for our interests
(30:58):
abroad and what that means for our allies in Israel
and other allies, the case is very strong Trump v
Biden without even this this kind of really clear data,
you know what I would consider sort of argument enders
on some of these issues, and then when you add
them in, you just go, what is what is the
other side? Even what world are they living in? Oh? Yeah,
(31:21):
Joe Biden. But Tony Blinken, I mean, look at look
at these people. Tony Blinken would be you know, in
over his head working in HR at some company that
you know, makes mufflers somewhere, Like, what is how are
these people running global foreign policy? How are these people
staring down our enemies and thinking it's a joke. The
(31:44):
whole thing was absurd. And the person who's calling the
shots over them, the person who's actually supposed to be
the you know, the grand strategic mind, is not of
right mind as a matter of fact, agreed on by
both sides. Yeah, pretty important stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
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We're gonna get into a whole bunch of things here,
let's sake, Mary in Florida wants to chat about foreign students.
Go ahead and.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Mary, Hi, it's hi bucket's Marie. Oh sorry, I wanted
to talk about that's okay. I went to a university
called every Riddle Aeronautical university called the Harvard of Disguise,
and this is thirty years ago. We had a lot
(33:39):
of foreign students on foreign visas that were there, especially
specifically for the engineering programs, and they would a lot
of times contractor what do you call it, an interim
with the government for a little while, and then they
go home.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Sure, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump ahead here a
little bit in our conversation, Marie, of what person percentage
would you say of your class were foreign students?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Probably seventy percent at least.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, that's way too I How many were from China?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
A very small class?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
How many were from China?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
China?
Speaker 5 (34:15):
It was it was the Middle East and Pakistan at
that time.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Okay, again, if it's Allied, do you understand my basic
premises here, I shouldn't say, I understand you agree with
my basic premises here that you know, because people calling
in like, oh but I I you know, well, there
was like a lovely student from you know, Santiago, Chile
in my class. I'm like, yeah, I'm not saying no
foreign students. I'm just saying it shouldn't be thirty percent
of our top universities and we shouldn't have Chinese guys
(34:41):
studying how to shoot down our missiles.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Well, just to make a point to your point, I'm
agreeing with you one hundred percent. When nine to eleven happened,
I believe it was four of the hijackers had tried
to go to embry Riddle one I believe had gotten
enrolled and then got disenrolled for not going to class
because they were trying to learn systems and you know,
they wanted to learn it quick right, not go through
the process. So then they went and hijacked planes on
(35:08):
nine to eleven and committed a terrorist act. So this
is not conjecture. This is something that does go on,
has gone on. It doesn't matter what the country is
at any given time, it could be different, but it
is a real thing that we do need to be
concerned about. And then when I was in the military,
I saw that in next and sometimes overseas where you'd
(35:28):
run into people that had gone to US universities and
they were actually gattis.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
So Marie, I just can I just throw a couple
of things out there for you. One, thank you for
your service to a plus call. Three you said, I
mean you've nailed anything else you want to add. I
totally agree with you, and I think that you see
exactly what I see.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
That people need to stop leading with their heart and
start looking at objectively because well you know.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
What it is, Marie too. Can I just say sorry,
you're just saying so many good things. You're getting me
fired up because your call is excellent. Because you serve
in the military, you understand it's not. Oh but you
know this guy from China or this this guy who
was like studying, he came here from Tehran. He said,
he loves America. If he goes back with a knowledge
set that lets him figure out how to shoot down
(36:15):
our next stealth bomber, that's a big friggin problem right
like this is. And so we have to have these safeguards.
Do you understand that? Thank you for calling in totally
agree with you, And yeah, that was excellent. I love
when the callers totally nail it. Yeah, So, like I
was saying, because I just I'm not anti for I'm
(36:37):
not anti foreigner, you know, I'm just we gotta have
the same way. I'm not anti immigrant at all. I
think immigrants are fantastic, and we just got to have
a system. We got to agree on the point of
the system, and we got to enforce that system. And
I think our system in America should be no university
with more than ten percent foreigners, and I'm open to
five percent.
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