June 2, 2025 • 37 mins
Interview featuring Julie Hamill, attorney and president of the California Justice Center, who critiques California’s gender identity policies and their conflict with federal Title IX protections. Hamill explains how California’s AB 1266 and similar laws undermine sex-based rights for women and girls in sports and education, sparking viral attention after her CNN appearance. The conversation emphasizes the legal and societal implications of redefining gender in law, with a focus on protecting biological women’s rights in athletics and public spaces. The segment also explores the broader political ramifications, including the role of President Donald Trump’s administration in challenging these policies and advocating for a return to sex-based legal definitions. The hosts and Hamill discuss the need for federal legislation to clarify Title IX, the pending lawsuits against California’s gender laws, and the cultural resistance to acknowledging biological differences in policy debates. Transitioning to international affairs, the show analyzes a major Ukrainian drone strike on Russian airbases, highlighting the strategic and financial impact on Russia’s military infrastructure. Buck Sexton, drawing on his CIA and intelligence background, frames the attack as a glimpse into the future of warfare—dominated by drones, AI, and autonomous systems. The discussion underscores President Trump’s efforts to broker a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine, emphasizing his leadership and diplomatic strategy amid global instability. Listeners also hear from audience members via talkbacks, reinforcing support for protecting women’s sports and expressing optimism about President Trump’s commitment to ending prolonged foreign conflicts. The hour concludes with a preview of an upcoming interview with Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullin and reflections on the evolving nature of modern warfare and American geopolitical interests.
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want to hear it. Julie Hambl, attorney and president of
the California Justice Center, joins us. Now, Julia, appreciate you
(00:44):
making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Thank you so much for having me now for.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
First off, before we get into the exchange you had
on CNN, which we did. I don't know if you
know or if you were able to listen in before,
but we did play a good more than half of it.
I'd say on the air. I watched it and it
was just it was astonishing, but also I guess I
expect it. So we'll get to that in a second.
But can you just from the legal perspective, tell everybody,
(01:09):
we know this story about Aby Hernandez biological male competing
against women, We know this stuff. What is the legal
what is legally at issue here? How does Title nine
come into play? What is Gavin Newsom of California doing?
What's happening on the legal front?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, long story short. Title nine has been a federal
statute since nineteen seventy two, and it's very simple. It
is sex based protections for you can't discriminate against girls
and women in educational programs, including sports, and so there's
supposed to be equal opportunity for women and girls in
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educational programs including sports. California, back in twenty thirteen past
this law AB twelve sixty six, which is now Education
Code Section two twenty one one point five s that
says schools must allow students to use the facilities and
play on the sports team that aligns with their gender
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identity instead of sex. So that essentially turns Title nine
on its head. And we've had that in place for
over a decade in California. Now it mirrors almost identically
Biden's Title nine rule that he put in place in
twenty twenty four that was enjoined by a number of
federal district courts. So those courts said in their decisions,
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you cannot create a regulation or a rule that completely
flies in the face of what the statute says. This
completely subverts Title nine. It does the opposite of what
Title nine was supposed to do by allowing males into
the female spaces, into female sports, into female academic programs.
(02:56):
It's total nonsense. Any thinking, sane human being can recognize
it immediately, which is why I'm frankly shocked that this
interview is getting so much attention because it was simply
it's just common sense. I was only saying things that
most of America is thinking. And what that is.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, yeah, it went. It went super viral, I think
for the reason that, and I'm glad that it did,
Julie over the weekend, because you are just you are
just saying in a very calm tone, and everyone heard it.
We played it. Here's the reality, and the CNN anchor
has this almost like otherworldly, detached but what about people
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who are assigned female at birth? Who uses this kind
of language, Like, you know, we just had Mother's Day recently.
You know, this is like the birthing people's day phenomenon
that we've heard, Like, no normal person thinks that this
should be normal. And let me ask you this taking
California's policy uhde to its logical conclusion. Let's say I
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was an employee in the state of California and I
wanted to claim discrimination as a woman because I say
that I identify as a woman. On what grounds could California
tell me that I couldn't sue for sex based discrimination
against me as a woman? Like, how do how is
it legally codified what you identify as?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It is actually legally codified. It's freaking nonsense. So we
in addition to AB twelve sixty six, we also have
the unru Civil Rights Act, which defines discrimination based on
gender identity as a violation of California civil rights law.
So it's not just in schools, it's not just adults,
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it's not just children, it's also adults. In California has
literally legislated gender ideology into statute, which is so absolutely nuts.
I don't think people really understand the consequences of what
has been done here, then to take.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Me through this, because yeah, that is so nuts. I
didn't even know that they had done that. How how
do you qualify as identifying as a different gender? What
has to be done? Because it can't be sex change
operation because that's actually only a you know, a pretty
small percentage of these individuals.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's a feeling. It's a feeling. Do you feel like
a woman today? You're a woman's well, so then I'm right.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
So then I could I could say I feel like
a woman. I can't believe the sec it's that loud,
and I think I'm being discriminated against in my California
job as a woman, and I'm suing and they would
have to try to prove that I'm not actually a woman.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yes, yeah, that's an absolute bonkers nonsense.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I you know, I said, what is now the next
step on this?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Because I think the sit down that you had or
the conversation you had on CNN was very illuminating. I mean,
also just things like we need more study to see
if biological males have an advantage in sports. This is
this is like members of the Communist Party or maybe
even just like everyday people within the Soviet Union saying, yes,
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we're all starving, but the grain harvest this year was
the best grain harvest in history, Like this is that
level of crazy because we all know that. Obviously the
basis of men and women having segregated sports is that
it wouldn't be fair if they didn't, right, That's otherwise
we would just have you know, men and women right
can apply to work in an investment bank. We don't
have the men the men position the women position. It's
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different in sports because of the physical differences. So are
you are you going to bring suit? Is this going
to get up to appeals? Is this going to go
to Scotus? Like what happens now?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So there are lawsuits pending right now. The Advocates for
Faith and Freedom group out of San Diego filed a
lawsuit that is pending in the Central District right now.
Our US Attorney Bill as Staley has filed a statement
of interest, and so the government is getting involved in
that one. That is challenging EBE twelve sixty six. I
(07:05):
hope it goes to SCOTUS. In the meantime, though, the
Trump administration is very much motivated and acting very quickly here,
and they are coming in with the full way of
the Department of Justice, and I believe that we will
see results soon, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, what do you think about the pulling because this
came up in your conversation. Lets you know, what do
you think about the pulling of federal funds of California
does not comply with Title nine rooted in an understanding
of gender as a thing that is real, or rather
men and women are things that are different and distinguishable
under law.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, this is so crazy to me that the anchor,
with a straight face said to me that there are
different interpretations of Title nine, that there are people who
believe that gender identity is the thing that should be
protected and not sex. So for that reason, we need
to legislate this at the congressional level. We need a
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federal statute to clarify that Title nine is sex based,
which does not include gender identity. It is your biological sex.
The fact that we have to do that is absolutely
It's terrifying to me. We've reached Orwellian levels of insanity
in this country. But in order to protect future generations,
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we have to have this spelled out in statute, because
as soon as we don't have a Republican administration, we're
going to have this crazy leftist interpretation of Title nine again,
and they're going to allow males to compete against girls,
share facilities with girls, and there's nothing we can really
do about it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So how it's just my problem with this is I
still come back to if they say that, and as
you pointed out that in California there's a gender identity
protection law, how can you legally law you know, if
somebody said, buck, how can you lawfully or legally identify
a man or a woman? I'm like, well, we know
what a man is, we know what a woman is. Right,
(09:11):
It's like you sit there, you go, that's a man,
that's a woman. How could you identify or rather, how
could you codify gender identity without it excluding people who
claim to be covered under gender identity, or rather without
it being so vague that it could be anything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Well, the people that deify the Defensive Freedom Institute have
actually proposed model legislation for this. It's like the Protect
Title nine Acts. You can go to their website and
it's there, and they've done that, and they and Bill A.
Staley when he was in our state legislature right before
he got appointed to the US Attorney position, also introduced
a bill called AB eight forty four, which would have
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done the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But that's defining men and women in law, right, Yes, yeah, No,
what I'm saying is, how could you define gender identity
in law? Because it isn't a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's defined in various places in California statute, it's it's
not consistent, it's always something different. And then if you
look at school district policies, these different school districts throughout
California have also taken a stab at trying to define it.
But it is a nebulous concept that it's ever changing.
It's not immutable. It's not going to be protected by
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the Supreme Court in equal protection cases because it's not
an immutable characteristic like sex. You cannot change your sex.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yes, So do you think this is to me? It
feels like this just has to go to the Supreme
Court and there has to be some you know, clarify.
It's amazing clarifying ruling from the Supreme Court that men
and women are different and we can know the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Why why do we have to do this? Why can
we not have people come to their senses and start
speaking rationally.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
In it feels like democrats because you're asking a very
important question, but it feels like democrats to what you
said before, they're just trying to ride this thing out
until they're in power again, and then it's going to
be the lunacy of Yeah, this is the you know,
men in women's locker rooms, met against women on the
sports field, you know, men and women's prisons.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Well, and the really Orwellian part about it is that
they're saying men are women, they are women.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They're not right, of course, they're actually.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Women now because they say they are these these are
women and you must accept that. And if you don't
accept that, you're a bigot.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well have you ever seen this is what I always
tell everybody is the is the true ultimate ends of this.
There have been a few people who have tried this,
you see like blogs or you know stuff on like
HuffPo or The Nation or some of those you know
communist looney bins online where they they try to make
the case that if you're a straight man who is
not attracted to trans women, you're bigot it. Have you
ever seen that bubbles up here and there, and as
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I point out to everybody, based on what you just said,
which is that the real belief is that trans women
are women indistinguishable from women. The ultimate logic of this
is there's a problem with guys who aren't attracted to
trans women.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it's okay. One of the most disturbing elements here
is what they're doing to children. I'm laughing right now,
but it's really dark. It's actually incredibly dark. And I'm
on a school board out here in Palace Verde, and
we had this book that we have fifth grade teachers
like these their ten year old kids. They're being read
a book called Too Bright to See, which says it
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literally says in the book, a trans woman is a woman,
full stop, and anything else is bigotry. And that is
what they are teaching little kids.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's all they are teaching kids. The sky is green.
They are teaching kids can see. They look at the sky,
it's blue, and there are books that say the sky
is green, and we're supposed to accept that.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, this is nineteen eighty four come to life.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It is great. Well, Julie, appreciate the work you're doing
on this. What's your organizations if anyone wants to go
help donate any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I am the president of the California Justice Center.
We are supported by the California Policy Center, which is
a nonprofit organization. If you want to donate and support
my work, that is where to go. You can find
my handle on Twitter at hamml Hmill Underscore Law.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Great work, keeping your cool and keeping it calm and collected.
While you know, while one of the commissars was trying
to go through the talking points on CNN, I appreciate
you making the time for us.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
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up my gold reserves ever since. And it's been a
(14:05):
smart move. And this is one of these things. You know,
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Slash buck welcome back into play and bucks. Yeah, we're
just talking about this story out of California a second
ago with the person who just won the track and
(15:52):
field championship. Is a biological mail and it's it's pretty
remarkable a Democrats plan to stay on this issue and
have not budged at all. It really gives you a
sense as to how clear it is that this is
really important to them. They view this as the new
civil rights struggle. The Democrats really as a party, they're
(16:14):
attached to this. And one of the ways I tried
to say this back on my Bill maher appearance in October,
I think I got talked over a little bit, but
I was trying to say, even for the Democrats who
know this is crazy, and there are Democrats. I've spoken
to Democrats who know this stuff is nuts, particularly else
in my case, I've spoken to a number of offline,
(16:36):
you know, not not in public, but a number of
black Democrats who do not agree with the transagenda stuff.
But then they don't want to deal with the heat.
I know people who are prominent in Democrats, you know,
prominent Democrat commentators, and and they don't want to you know,
they don't want to deal with it. It's not that
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they agree with it, but they don't want to deal
with the heat that they get from this one. And
I think there's a lot of Democrats that fall into
that category. They won't publicly go against this, even if
they're not on board. So whether it's a Chuck Schumer
type or a go down the list, they will not say, yeah,
this is crazy, which tells you all you need to know.
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If it was damaging to their party and they disagreed
with it, wouldn't they be willing to say I don't
think we should do this anymore. VIP email from David.
He says maybe the state should try this, have a boys,
girls and open classification. Trans female will compete with the girls,
except they will be awarded a medal in the open division.
Girls will receive awards replacing events in the girls division,
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so everyone competes but the rewards are divided into classifications.
That is, David, that's not a bad idea, you know,
it's an option. I would just say I think that
the trans individuals, because it's always it's always guys pretending
to be girls. A girl pretends to be a guy
is going to get no attention to this because all
the guys are going to completely smoker and all these
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I'm just gonna I'm gonna talk you through this. This
was really interesting over the weekend, this drone attack in
Ukraine that got a lot of headlines. I'll keep in
mind right now, there is a negotiation that it's happening,
or at least there's you know, the beginnings of negotiations
underway between Russia and Ukraine. So they're going into peace
(19:48):
talks and it comes right in the aftermath of this
this strike. And here's what here's what we know so far.
There's a. There's a lot of footage and video of
it because they the drones relaid back in real time
what they were doing, so you have footage of these
(20:08):
attacks that are now that have been circulated, and they
were hitting they were hitting these planes on these Russian
planes on the tarmac. Here's what we know. So Ukraine
got one hundred and seventeen drones aerial drones into trucks
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and the trucks were Russian and they somehow contracted with
these trucks, contracted with these trucks to go to the
perimeter of four Russian air bases. One of them was
in Siberia. I mean this is way far. This is
a couple This is thousands of miles from the actual
(20:50):
Ukraine border, so way deep inside Russia. They got these
drones to be on these trucks and they and the
drones activated. They obviously had them on a remote control setup.
The drones activated and were able to attack forty Russian
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strategic bomber aircraft, which is which is about a little
more than a third of Russia's strategic cruise missile carriers.
The estimated cost of this to Russia is seven billion dollars. Okay,
and you know, we've got a much bigger military budget
than Russia. We've got much more in the way of
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these kinds of strategic assets that we could well, we
wouldn't want to have to rebuild them, but you know,
we have much better resourcing than they do. So you
can imagine seven billion dollars of Russian military hardware that hurts.
People have been talking about this as the pager remember
the Hesbola Mossad pager operation where the pagers blew up
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and the hands of or on the waste Really of
these Hesbelo operatives because they managed to get into their
supply chain and it was as you know, I mean,
I spent some time in the CIA and was aware
of some pretty pretty remarkable CIA operations. A lot of
the really good ones have been are public, and they've
even made movies about some of them. But you know,
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the CIA has done some pretty cool stuff in the past,
or I should say impressive stuff. That pager operation by
the Israelis is the stuff of intelligence espionage legend. This
this drone attack was I'm just talking tactically impressive all right. Now,
Whether you're worried about this some kind of escalation or
(22:42):
anything else, that's another part of the conversation. But this
comes after Russia has been really escalating its military strikes
on particular I'm sorry, it's strikes, particularly on civilians, not
on military targets. Russia has been just blowing up a
lot a lot of civilians while we're supposed to get
(23:05):
this opening for a ceasefire. Really that's what you need first, right,
ceasefire means the guns are silent and at least you're
not taking active casualties, and then you can continue to
hammer out a what a meaningful end of the conflict
would be. You know what a you know, a treaty
or misstis, whatever it's going to be, however you end it,
(23:26):
you can figure it out. But first you want to
get to a ceasefire so you're not losing people, there's
not bloodshed unnecessarily. But Trump has been very clear he
is deeply unhappy with Putin's response to the efforts to
get him into a conversation here about ending this war.
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And this is this is something that I was concerned about. Look,
everyone's concerned about. It's not easy. What Trump is trying
to do here, what he's trying to accomplish would be
an incredible win, but it's certainly worth trying, because the
alternative is that you have people dying in large numbers
on the front between Russian and Ukraine. To our side
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of things, and I try to be very clear, there's
Ukrainian and Russian interest here, and there's American interest, which
I am primarily concerned with. And I wish that there
was no fighting going on over there, just like I
wish there was no fighting going on between Israel and Hamas,
and I wish there was no fighting and ethnic cleansing
(24:31):
going on in Sudan. And this is but we live
in a nasty world, as you know, and there's no
way to just snap your fingers and make these things
go away. And you can't just let the bad guys
go without any response. So on our side of things, though,
with Russia Ukraine, we are funding this, And yes, I
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know that there's the argument that's being made that we
are and this I'm uncomfortable with this argument on an
number in a number of ways, that we are bleeding
Russia so that we won't have to fight them. I
don't think that we have to worry about fighting Russia.
Russia militarily is nowhere near what it would need to
be to pose a threat to US interests, I know,
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other than the nuclear arsenal, But we're Russia is not
looking to create a nuclear holocaust of the entire planet.
I'm pretty confident in that we are working on now,
thanks to Trump, the Golden Dome system, which I think
will give us even more peace of mind. That's to me.
More for Iran, North Korea, you know, rogue state actors
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where it's not just the possibility that they may get
crazy enough that they want to launch, which is there.
The more you I'll tell you this, the more you
read about North Korea, I've learned a fair bit. I mean,
I'm because I find it fascinating. It's a little bit though.
North Korea is terrifying to the point where like you
need to go if you really read up on it,
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and I mean you get into the history of it
and what it's like there, you got to go for
a walk in the sunshine afterwards, because it will you
kind of feel in your soul how could this be
happening today today in the world. How could a place
be so horrific and so crazy and such a vile tyranny?
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But so yeah, the more you learn about North Korea,
the more you think to yourself, well, maybe they're crazy
enough to fire off a missile, But there's also the
possibility that they could just lose control of the stockpile
to some faction within that that's even crazier. This is
always the concern, and you know, I would say, if
anyone is going to be able to bring about a
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cease fire between Russia and Ukraine, I think Trump is
in the likeliest position. But this was always going to
be a tough ask. I know Trump said I would
end it, you know, day one or whatever. And that's
Trump in the role as salesmen of look, I am
the best guy for this, so let me do what
I need to do and we'll get there. You know,
maybe a little bit of over promising on the timeline,
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but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't the best guy
to try to get it done. There's the possibility, and
I thought this all along, that there is no ceasefire
to be had because Putin thinks he's winning and there's
reason for him to believe that, and he doesn't care
about the casualties that he's incurring because he doesn't have
to face a real election, and he thinks that this
is more in the long term strategic interest of Russia
(27:23):
to pursue, and maybe he views himself. I think there's
plenty of reason to think that he views himself in
the mold of a you know, whether it's a Stalin
or a Peter the Great, or one of the one
of the still very celebrated leaders Soviet or Russian leaders
(27:43):
of the past who were very expansionist in there in
their ideas right and what they were able to accomplish.
I actually read a I have it here, I've in
The Terrible by pain and Romanov. I told you about
North Korea. Same thing with with reading about Ivan the Terrible.
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You will need to go for a walk in the
sunshine if you if you read about how crazy that
guy was really, I mean truly sidistic in a way
that is demonic. And yeah, I was was leader leader
of RU, I mean not wasn't really Russia. It was
kind of like he's a prince of Moscow. It's a
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little different, but still and somebody that has thought of
I think very clearly, in fact, you could make it.
You can draw a pretty straight line between a lot
of the Stalinist approach to dissent and to totalitarianism, and
Ivan the Terrible setting up a really the the original
(28:46):
totalitarian secret policeman as the o Pretzniki, and I read
about this in my book, which is probably why I'm
immediately going into this. Op Pretchniki were a fascinating group, horrible.
They dressed in all black. They had severed dogs heads
that they would have tied to their saddle just so
everybody knew what they were really about. And they had
(29:06):
complete extra judicial detention, torture and execution authority anybody that
they wanted to kill who was in the way of
the of the of the Tsar that he didn't like
or that they didn't like, you know, as long as
it didn't make the Tsar angry, it didn't matter. And
Stalin I think figured out this was a very effective way,
because i've in the Terrible stayed in power for a
(29:27):
long time and managed to get get quite get quite far,
actually did pretty well militarily against some of the enemies
in the region. Anyway, sorry weaving a little too much there.
Back to Russia Ukraine. See this is way you got
to get the books you can learn learn more about
the Opachniki scary guys, and the fact that they had
dogs heads on their saddles. Man, that's an if you
(29:48):
want to show that somebody is an evil, you know,
son of a gun, a dog head on the saddle
is like a very good place to start, you know.
That's that's uh. I'm like still angry. That was five
hundred years ago. I'm still angry about it. So I
think that there's a chance that we'll get some kind
of a cease fire in rush of Ukraine, but I'm
not counting on it. Trump is annoyed. But back to
(30:08):
American interests here, back to what the US is hoping
to get out of this. We don't want to continue
to fund this forever, and we certainly don't want to
put our own people in harm's way and suffer the
possible loss of American soldiers fighting in a country that ultimately,
whether it stays under Russian Federation control, or rather whether
(30:31):
it stays under Ukraine or Russian Federation control, does not
matter that much to us. That is the harsh reality
of it. It doesn't matter enough that we're willing to
die for. It doesn't matter enough that I would want
any of you, any of you listening or any of
your children or grandchildren to go fight for it. So
we have that in mind with all of this, right,
this is something that we have to understand that that
(30:54):
is the red line. Not a single American on behalf
of the armed forces are enforces dying over there to
figure out where the final lines on the map will
be drawn. But yes, it was an impressive strike by
Ukraine inside of drums and also as a window I
think into the future of warfare, which is just going
(31:14):
to be increasingly I think that we reached, in a
sense a pinnacle of commando warfare, and I mean that
special operations Jsock Seals, Delta Rangers, marsk All that we
reached a pinnacle of that in the War on Terror
because it was largely counterinsurgaincy operations. It was targeted strikes
(31:40):
against individuals, you know, it was gutting it out, muzzle
to muzzle with the bad guys. The wars of the
future I think are going to increasingly rely on those. Obviously,
special operations always have a very important role, precision instrument
that needs to be used the way it was intended
to be used. But you're going to see a lot
more of just tech drones AI and everybody sees this happening,
(32:04):
and who controls the skies is going to be a
combination of who has the best autonomous tech, the best AI,
the best overall drone systems, and the manufacturing of them.
Another reason why manufacturing capacity is going to be so
important here because if China can put ten thousand drones
a month in the sky and we can only put,
(32:24):
you know, a thousand, even if ours are better, that's
a big problem. So this is where I think the
future and I believe everyone sees this, the future of
warfare is going and you're seeing a picture into it.
Remember the Boer War in South Africa. Get it into
South Africa discussion now, But the Boer War in South
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Africa the origin of the term concentration camp and also
was actually an early version of the trench warfare we
saw in the First World War. You really got a
sneak peak of what the First World was or is
going to turn into with the trench warfare. Based on
the Boer War, we are getting a sneak peak of
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what nation state warfare in the future is going to be.
Between with this look at Russia Ukraine, but it could
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listener Patty with a talkback hit it.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The rational response to the emotional debate put forth by
these parents of transgender athletes is what about the emotional
stress and straining to put on the female athletes because
they have spent years and years perfecting their sport, becoming
the best they can be, only to have it all
taken away by some dude with emotional problems. They need
(35:24):
to deal with their own child's emotional stress without causing
more stress to other athletes.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Perfectly said Patty, completely agree, articulate, excellent, right to the point.
A plus on the talkback, and I won't glad everybody
heard it because I think you're completely correct. You know,
the be kind to the trans athlete ignores the how
about be kind to the girls? The women? You know,
it's like, you know, girls, women. I mean, I think
(35:53):
you're seventeen eighteen you start saying women, but you know,
you got what I mean. I mean, they're high school girls.
How about in to the the girls who are involved
in the athletic competition, and how about be kind to
them by not having them change next to a guy
who's got male genitals. That's a little that's a little
off putting, right, a little. I mean it's a lot
off putting, you know what I mean. It's crazy. Let's
(36:16):
get one more talk back here. We have BB listener
JB from Louisville play it, hey buck.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
So when the Russian Ukraine War started, I was in
eighth grade and I just graduated my sophomore year of
high school, which means this has been going on for
way too long and I'm just really glad to see
that we finally have a president who's going to put
an end to all this garbage in whatever way he can.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Love the show. Thank you guys so much. JB. Love
having somebody in your age cohort listening. Please tell your
friends they'll get well educated on things that they listen
to Clay and Buck. JB. Why do you know more
than all your friends about all the things because you
listen to Clay and Buck. At least that's one reason.
Please spread the word, and I totally agree with your
Assessment's time to end this war. Mark Wayne Mulling up next,
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want to hear it. Julie Hambl, attorney and president of
the California Justice Center, joins us. Now, Julia, appreciate you
(00:44):
making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Thank you so much for having me now for.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
First off, before we get into the exchange you had
on CNN, which we did. I don't know if you
know or if you were able to listen in before,
but we did play a good more than half of it.
I'd say on the air. I watched it and it
was just it was astonishing, but also I guess I
expect it. So we'll get to that in a second.
But can you just from the legal perspective, tell everybody,
(01:09):
we know this story about Aby Hernandez biological male competing
against women, We know this stuff. What is the legal
what is legally at issue here? How does Title nine
come into play? What is Gavin Newsom of California doing?
What's happening on the legal front?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, long story short. Title nine has been a federal
statute since nineteen seventy two, and it's very simple. It
is sex based protections for you can't discriminate against girls
and women in educational programs, including sports, and so there's
supposed to be equal opportunity for women and girls in
(01:49):
educational programs including sports. California, back in twenty thirteen past
this law AB twelve sixty six, which is now Education
Code Section two twenty one one point five s that
says schools must allow students to use the facilities and
play on the sports team that aligns with their gender
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identity instead of sex. So that essentially turns Title nine
on its head. And we've had that in place for
over a decade in California. Now it mirrors almost identically
Biden's Title nine rule that he put in place in
twenty twenty four that was enjoined by a number of
federal district courts. So those courts said in their decisions,
(02:34):
you cannot create a regulation or a rule that completely
flies in the face of what the statute says. This
completely subverts Title nine. It does the opposite of what
Title nine was supposed to do by allowing males into
the female spaces, into female sports, into female academic programs.
(02:56):
It's total nonsense. Any thinking, sane human being can recognize
it immediately, which is why I'm frankly shocked that this
interview is getting so much attention because it was simply
it's just common sense. I was only saying things that
most of America is thinking. And what that is.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, yeah, it went. It went super viral, I think
for the reason that, and I'm glad that it did,
Julie over the weekend, because you are just you are
just saying in a very calm tone, and everyone heard it.
We played it. Here's the reality, and the CNN anchor
has this almost like otherworldly, detached but what about people
(03:37):
who are assigned female at birth? Who uses this kind
of language, Like, you know, we just had Mother's Day recently.
You know, this is like the birthing people's day phenomenon
that we've heard, Like, no normal person thinks that this
should be normal. And let me ask you this taking
California's policy uhde to its logical conclusion. Let's say I
(04:00):
was an employee in the state of California and I
wanted to claim discrimination as a woman because I say
that I identify as a woman. On what grounds could California
tell me that I couldn't sue for sex based discrimination
against me as a woman? Like, how do how is
it legally codified what you identify as?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It is actually legally codified. It's freaking nonsense. So we
in addition to AB twelve sixty six, we also have
the unru Civil Rights Act, which defines discrimination based on
gender identity as a violation of California civil rights law.
So it's not just in schools, it's not just adults,
(04:42):
it's not just children, it's also adults. In California has
literally legislated gender ideology into statute, which is so absolutely nuts.
I don't think people really understand the consequences of what
has been done here, then to take.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Me through this, because yeah, that is so nuts. I
didn't even know that they had done that. How how
do you qualify as identifying as a different gender? What
has to be done? Because it can't be sex change
operation because that's actually only a you know, a pretty
small percentage of these individuals.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's a feeling. It's a feeling. Do you feel like
a woman today? You're a woman's well, so then I'm right.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
So then I could I could say I feel like
a woman. I can't believe the sec it's that loud,
and I think I'm being discriminated against in my California
job as a woman, and I'm suing and they would
have to try to prove that I'm not actually a woman.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yes, yeah, that's an absolute bonkers nonsense.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I you know, I said, what is now the next
step on this?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Because I think the sit down that you had or
the conversation you had on CNN was very illuminating. I mean,
also just things like we need more study to see
if biological males have an advantage in sports. This is
this is like members of the Communist Party or maybe
even just like everyday people within the Soviet Union saying, yes,
(06:13):
we're all starving, but the grain harvest this year was
the best grain harvest in history, Like this is that
level of crazy because we all know that. Obviously the
basis of men and women having segregated sports is that
it wouldn't be fair if they didn't, right, That's otherwise
we would just have you know, men and women right
can apply to work in an investment bank. We don't
have the men the men position the women position. It's
(06:35):
different in sports because of the physical differences. So are
you are you going to bring suit? Is this going
to get up to appeals? Is this going to go
to Scotus? Like what happens now?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So there are lawsuits pending right now. The Advocates for
Faith and Freedom group out of San Diego filed a
lawsuit that is pending in the Central District right now.
Our US Attorney Bill as Staley has filed a statement
of interest, and so the government is getting involved in
that one. That is challenging EBE twelve sixty six. I
(07:05):
hope it goes to SCOTUS. In the meantime, though, the
Trump administration is very much motivated and acting very quickly here,
and they are coming in with the full way of
the Department of Justice, and I believe that we will
see results soon, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, what do you think about the pulling because this
came up in your conversation. Lets you know, what do
you think about the pulling of federal funds of California
does not comply with Title nine rooted in an understanding
of gender as a thing that is real, or rather
men and women are things that are different and distinguishable
under law.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, this is so crazy to me that the anchor,
with a straight face said to me that there are
different interpretations of Title nine, that there are people who
believe that gender identity is the thing that should be
protected and not sex. So for that reason, we need
to legislate this at the congressional level. We need a
(08:08):
federal statute to clarify that Title nine is sex based,
which does not include gender identity. It is your biological sex.
The fact that we have to do that is absolutely
It's terrifying to me. We've reached Orwellian levels of insanity
in this country. But in order to protect future generations,
(08:31):
we have to have this spelled out in statute, because
as soon as we don't have a Republican administration, we're
going to have this crazy leftist interpretation of Title nine again,
and they're going to allow males to compete against girls,
share facilities with girls, and there's nothing we can really
do about it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So how it's just my problem with this is I
still come back to if they say that, and as
you pointed out that in California there's a gender identity
protection law, how can you legally law you know, if
somebody said, buck, how can you lawfully or legally identify
a man or a woman? I'm like, well, we know
what a man is, we know what a woman is. Right,
(09:11):
It's like you sit there, you go, that's a man,
that's a woman. How could you identify or rather, how
could you codify gender identity without it excluding people who
claim to be covered under gender identity, or rather without
it being so vague that it could be anything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Well, the people that deify the Defensive Freedom Institute have
actually proposed model legislation for this. It's like the Protect
Title nine Acts. You can go to their website and
it's there, and they've done that, and they and Bill A.
Staley when he was in our state legislature right before
he got appointed to the US Attorney position, also introduced
a bill called AB eight forty four, which would have
(09:53):
done the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But that's defining men and women in law, right, Yes, yeah, No,
what I'm saying is, how could you define gender identity
in law? Because it isn't a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's defined in various places in California statute, it's it's
not consistent, it's always something different. And then if you
look at school district policies, these different school districts throughout
California have also taken a stab at trying to define it.
But it is a nebulous concept that it's ever changing.
It's not immutable. It's not going to be protected by
(10:26):
the Supreme Court in equal protection cases because it's not
an immutable characteristic like sex. You cannot change your sex.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yes, So do you think this is to me? It
feels like this just has to go to the Supreme
Court and there has to be some you know, clarify.
It's amazing clarifying ruling from the Supreme Court that men
and women are different and we can know the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Why why do we have to do this? Why can
we not have people come to their senses and start
speaking rationally.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
In it feels like democrats because you're asking a very
important question, but it feels like democrats to what you
said before, they're just trying to ride this thing out
until they're in power again, and then it's going to
be the lunacy of Yeah, this is the you know,
men in women's locker rooms, met against women on the
sports field, you know, men and women's prisons.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Well, and the really Orwellian part about it is that
they're saying men are women, they are women.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They're not right, of course, they're actually.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Women now because they say they are these these are
women and you must accept that. And if you don't
accept that, you're a bigot.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well have you ever seen this is what I always
tell everybody is the is the true ultimate ends of this.
There have been a few people who have tried this,
you see like blogs or you know stuff on like
HuffPo or The Nation or some of those you know
communist looney bins online where they they try to make
the case that if you're a straight man who is
not attracted to trans women, you're bigot it. Have you
ever seen that bubbles up here and there, and as
(11:59):
I point out to everybody, based on what you just said,
which is that the real belief is that trans women
are women indistinguishable from women. The ultimate logic of this
is there's a problem with guys who aren't attracted to
trans women.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it's okay. One of the most disturbing elements here
is what they're doing to children. I'm laughing right now,
but it's really dark. It's actually incredibly dark. And I'm
on a school board out here in Palace Verde, and
we had this book that we have fifth grade teachers
like these their ten year old kids. They're being read
a book called Too Bright to See, which says it
(12:38):
literally says in the book, a trans woman is a woman,
full stop, and anything else is bigotry. And that is
what they are teaching little kids.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's all they are teaching kids. The sky is green.
They are teaching kids can see. They look at the sky,
it's blue, and there are books that say the sky
is green, and we're supposed to accept that.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, this is nineteen eighty four come to life.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It is great. Well, Julie, appreciate the work you're doing
on this. What's your organizations if anyone wants to go
help donate any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I am the president of the California Justice Center.
We are supported by the California Policy Center, which is
a nonprofit organization. If you want to donate and support
my work, that is where to go. You can find
my handle on Twitter at hamml Hmill Underscore Law.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Great work, keeping your cool and keeping it calm and collected.
While you know, while one of the commissars was trying
to go through the talking points on CNN, I appreciate
you making the time for us.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
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I go back now, I think I got my first
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up my gold reserves ever since. And it's been a
(14:05):
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just talking about this story out of California a second
ago with the person who just won the track and
(15:52):
field championship. Is a biological mail and it's it's pretty
remarkable a Democrats plan to stay on this issue and
have not budged at all. It really gives you a
sense as to how clear it is that this is
really important to them. They view this as the new
civil rights struggle. The Democrats really as a party, they're
(16:14):
attached to this. And one of the ways I tried
to say this back on my Bill maher appearance in October,
I think I got talked over a little bit, but
I was trying to say, even for the Democrats who
know this is crazy, and there are Democrats. I've spoken
to Democrats who know this stuff is nuts, particularly else
in my case, I've spoken to a number of offline,
(16:36):
you know, not not in public, but a number of
black Democrats who do not agree with the transagenda stuff.
But then they don't want to deal with the heat.
I know people who are prominent in Democrats, you know,
prominent Democrat commentators, and and they don't want to you know,
they don't want to deal with it. It's not that
(16:57):
they agree with it, but they don't want to deal
with the heat that they get from this one. And
I think there's a lot of Democrats that fall into
that category. They won't publicly go against this, even if
they're not on board. So whether it's a Chuck Schumer
type or a go down the list, they will not say, yeah,
this is crazy, which tells you all you need to know.
(17:21):
If it was damaging to their party and they disagreed
with it, wouldn't they be willing to say I don't
think we should do this anymore. VIP email from David.
He says maybe the state should try this, have a boys,
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except they will be awarded a medal in the open division.
Girls will receive awards replacing events in the girls division,
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so everyone competes but the rewards are divided into classifications.
That is, David, that's not a bad idea, you know,
it's an option. I would just say I think that
the trans individuals, because it's always it's always guys pretending
to be girls. A girl pretends to be a guy
is going to get no attention to this because all
the guys are going to completely smoker and all these
(18:01):
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event with other trans people. They want the glory of
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I'm just gonna I'm gonna talk you through this. This
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Ukraine that got a lot of headlines. I'll keep in
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or at least there's you know, the beginnings of negotiations
underway between Russia and Ukraine. So they're going into peace
(19:48):
talks and it comes right in the aftermath of this
this strike. And here's what here's what we know so far.
There's a. There's a lot of footage and video of
it because they the drones relaid back in real time
what they were doing, so you have footage of these
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attacks that are now that have been circulated, and they
were hitting they were hitting these planes on these Russian
planes on the tarmac. Here's what we know. So Ukraine
got one hundred and seventeen drones aerial drones into trucks
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and the trucks were Russian and they somehow contracted with
these trucks, contracted with these trucks to go to the
perimeter of four Russian air bases. One of them was
in Siberia. I mean this is way far. This is
a couple This is thousands of miles from the actual
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Ukraine border, so way deep inside Russia. They got these
drones to be on these trucks and they and the
drones activated. They obviously had them on a remote control setup.
The drones activated and were able to attack forty Russian
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strategic bomber aircraft, which is which is about a little
more than a third of Russia's strategic cruise missile carriers.
The estimated cost of this to Russia is seven billion dollars. Okay,
and you know, we've got a much bigger military budget
than Russia. We've got much more in the way of
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these kinds of strategic assets that we could well, we
wouldn't want to have to rebuild them, but you know,
we have much better resourcing than they do. So you
can imagine seven billion dollars of Russian military hardware that hurts.
People have been talking about this as the pager remember
the Hesbola Mossad pager operation where the pagers blew up
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and the hands of or on the waste Really of
these Hesbelo operatives because they managed to get into their
supply chain and it was as you know, I mean,
I spent some time in the CIA and was aware
of some pretty pretty remarkable CIA operations. A lot of
the really good ones have been are public, and they've
even made movies about some of them. But you know,
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the CIA has done some pretty cool stuff in the past,
or I should say impressive stuff. That pager operation by
the Israelis is the stuff of intelligence espionage legend. This
this drone attack was I'm just talking tactically impressive all right. Now,
Whether you're worried about this some kind of escalation or
(22:42):
anything else, that's another part of the conversation. But this
comes after Russia has been really escalating its military strikes
on particular I'm sorry, it's strikes, particularly on civilians, not
on military targets. Russia has been just blowing up a
lot a lot of civilians while we're supposed to get
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this opening for a ceasefire. Really that's what you need first, right,
ceasefire means the guns are silent and at least you're
not taking active casualties, and then you can continue to
hammer out a what a meaningful end of the conflict
would be. You know what a you know, a treaty
or misstis, whatever it's going to be, however you end it,
(23:26):
you can figure it out. But first you want to
get to a ceasefire so you're not losing people, there's
not bloodshed unnecessarily. But Trump has been very clear he
is deeply unhappy with Putin's response to the efforts to
get him into a conversation here about ending this war.
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And this is this is something that I was concerned about. Look,
everyone's concerned about. It's not easy. What Trump is trying
to do here, what he's trying to accomplish would be
an incredible win, but it's certainly worth trying, because the
alternative is that you have people dying in large numbers
on the front between Russian and Ukraine. To our side
(24:10):
of things, and I try to be very clear, there's
Ukrainian and Russian interest here, and there's American interest, which
I am primarily concerned with. And I wish that there
was no fighting going on over there, just like I
wish there was no fighting going on between Israel and Hamas,
and I wish there was no fighting and ethnic cleansing
(24:31):
going on in Sudan. And this is but we live
in a nasty world, as you know, and there's no
way to just snap your fingers and make these things
go away. And you can't just let the bad guys
go without any response. So on our side of things, though,
with Russia Ukraine, we are funding this, And yes, I
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know that there's the argument that's being made that we
are and this I'm uncomfortable with this argument on an
number in a number of ways, that we are bleeding
Russia so that we won't have to fight them. I
don't think that we have to worry about fighting Russia.
Russia militarily is nowhere near what it would need to
be to pose a threat to US interests, I know,
(25:14):
other than the nuclear arsenal, But we're Russia is not
looking to create a nuclear holocaust of the entire planet.
I'm pretty confident in that we are working on now,
thanks to Trump, the Golden Dome system, which I think
will give us even more peace of mind. That's to me.
More for Iran, North Korea, you know, rogue state actors
(25:34):
where it's not just the possibility that they may get
crazy enough that they want to launch, which is there.
The more you I'll tell you this, the more you
read about North Korea, I've learned a fair bit. I mean,
I'm because I find it fascinating. It's a little bit though.
North Korea is terrifying to the point where like you
need to go if you really read up on it,
(25:56):
and I mean you get into the history of it
and what it's like there, you got to go for
a walk in the sunshine afterwards, because it will you
kind of feel in your soul how could this be
happening today today in the world. How could a place
be so horrific and so crazy and such a vile tyranny?
(26:18):
But so yeah, the more you learn about North Korea,
the more you think to yourself, well, maybe they're crazy
enough to fire off a missile, But there's also the
possibility that they could just lose control of the stockpile
to some faction within that that's even crazier. This is
always the concern, and you know, I would say, if
anyone is going to be able to bring about a
(26:40):
cease fire between Russia and Ukraine, I think Trump is
in the likeliest position. But this was always going to
be a tough ask. I know Trump said I would
end it, you know, day one or whatever. And that's
Trump in the role as salesmen of look, I am
the best guy for this, so let me do what
I need to do and we'll get there. You know,
maybe a little bit of over promising on the timeline,
(27:01):
but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't the best guy
to try to get it done. There's the possibility, and
I thought this all along, that there is no ceasefire
to be had because Putin thinks he's winning and there's
reason for him to believe that, and he doesn't care
about the casualties that he's incurring because he doesn't have
to face a real election, and he thinks that this
is more in the long term strategic interest of Russia
(27:23):
to pursue, and maybe he views himself. I think there's
plenty of reason to think that he views himself in
the mold of a you know, whether it's a Stalin
or a Peter the Great, or one of the one
of the still very celebrated leaders Soviet or Russian leaders
(27:43):
of the past who were very expansionist in there in
their ideas right and what they were able to accomplish.
I actually read a I have it here, I've in
The Terrible by pain and Romanov. I told you about
North Korea. Same thing with with reading about Ivan the Terrible.
(28:04):
You will need to go for a walk in the
sunshine if you if you read about how crazy that
guy was really, I mean truly sidistic in a way
that is demonic. And yeah, I was was leader leader
of RU, I mean not wasn't really Russia. It was
kind of like he's a prince of Moscow. It's a
(28:24):
little different, but still and somebody that has thought of
I think very clearly, in fact, you could make it.
You can draw a pretty straight line between a lot
of the Stalinist approach to dissent and to totalitarianism, and
Ivan the Terrible setting up a really the the original
(28:46):
totalitarian secret policeman as the o Pretzniki, and I read
about this in my book, which is probably why I'm
immediately going into this. Op Pretchniki were a fascinating group, horrible.
They dressed in all black. They had severed dogs heads
that they would have tied to their saddle just so
everybody knew what they were really about. And they had
(29:06):
complete extra judicial detention, torture and execution authority anybody that
they wanted to kill who was in the way of
the of the of the Tsar that he didn't like
or that they didn't like, you know, as long as
it didn't make the Tsar angry, it didn't matter. And
Stalin I think figured out this was a very effective way,
because i've in the Terrible stayed in power for a
(29:27):
long time and managed to get get quite get quite far,
actually did pretty well militarily against some of the enemies
in the region. Anyway, sorry weaving a little too much there.
Back to Russia Ukraine. See this is way you got
to get the books you can learn learn more about
the Opachniki scary guys, and the fact that they had
dogs heads on their saddles. Man, that's an if you
(29:48):
want to show that somebody is an evil, you know,
son of a gun, a dog head on the saddle
is like a very good place to start, you know.
That's that's uh. I'm like still angry. That was five
hundred years ago. I'm still angry about it. So I
think that there's a chance that we'll get some kind
of a cease fire in rush of Ukraine, but I'm
not counting on it. Trump is annoyed. But back to
(30:08):
American interests here, back to what the US is hoping
to get out of this. We don't want to continue
to fund this forever, and we certainly don't want to
put our own people in harm's way and suffer the
possible loss of American soldiers fighting in a country that ultimately,
whether it stays under Russian Federation control, or rather whether
(30:31):
it stays under Ukraine or Russian Federation control, does not
matter that much to us. That is the harsh reality
of it. It doesn't matter enough that we're willing to
die for. It doesn't matter enough that I would want
any of you, any of you listening or any of
your children or grandchildren to go fight for it. So
we have that in mind with all of this, right,
this is something that we have to understand that that
(30:54):
is the red line. Not a single American on behalf
of the armed forces are enforces dying over there to
figure out where the final lines on the map will
be drawn. But yes, it was an impressive strike by
Ukraine inside of drums and also as a window I
think into the future of warfare, which is just going
(31:14):
to be increasingly I think that we reached, in a
sense a pinnacle of commando warfare, and I mean that
special operations Jsock Seals, Delta Rangers, marsk All that we
reached a pinnacle of that in the War on Terror
because it was largely counterinsurgaincy operations. It was targeted strikes
(31:40):
against individuals, you know, it was gutting it out, muzzle
to muzzle with the bad guys. The wars of the
future I think are going to increasingly rely on those. Obviously,
special operations always have a very important role, precision instrument
that needs to be used the way it was intended
to be used. But you're going to see a lot
more of just tech drones AI and everybody sees this happening,
(32:04):
and who controls the skies is going to be a
combination of who has the best autonomous tech, the best AI,
the best overall drone systems, and the manufacturing of them.
Another reason why manufacturing capacity is going to be so
important here because if China can put ten thousand drones
a month in the sky and we can only put,
(32:24):
you know, a thousand, even if ours are better, that's
a big problem. So this is where I think the
future and I believe everyone sees this, the future of
warfare is going and you're seeing a picture into it.
Remember the Boer War in South Africa. Get it into
South Africa discussion now, But the Boer War in South
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Africa the origin of the term concentration camp and also
was actually an early version of the trench warfare we
saw in the First World War. You really got a
sneak peak of what the First World was or is
going to turn into with the trench warfare. Based on
the Boer War, we are getting a sneak peak of
(33:05):
what nation state warfare in the future is going to be.
Between with this look at Russia Ukraine, but it could
be of course between the US and China, and that's
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by Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. We're gonna talk to
him about the big, beautiful bill. It is big and
it's beautiful and it is a bill. We will talk
to him about what's going on there and also some
other things. A very interesting guy, interesting background. He was
an mm A fighter, husband and father of six. Wow,
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in a street fight. And you know, dad stuff because
six kids, man, that is that is that's that's the
that's the pro level right there. You know, one kid
is challenging enough, but six kids. Good for him. Let's
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listener Patty with a talkback hit it.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The rational response to the emotional debate put forth by
these parents of transgender athletes is what about the emotional
stress and straining to put on the female athletes because
they have spent years and years perfecting their sport, becoming
the best they can be, only to have it all
taken away by some dude with emotional problems. They need
(35:24):
to deal with their own child's emotional stress without causing
more stress to other athletes.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Perfectly said Patty, completely agree, articulate, excellent, right to the point.
A plus on the talkback, and I won't glad everybody
heard it because I think you're completely correct. You know,
the be kind to the trans athlete ignores the how
about be kind to the girls? The women? You know,
it's like, you know, girls, women. I mean, I think
(35:53):
you're seventeen eighteen you start saying women, but you know,
you got what I mean. I mean, they're high school girls.
How about in to the the girls who are involved
in the athletic competition, and how about be kind to
them by not having them change next to a guy
who's got male genitals. That's a little that's a little
off putting, right, a little. I mean it's a lot
off putting, you know what I mean. It's crazy. Let's
(36:16):
get one more talk back here. We have BB listener
JB from Louisville play it, hey buck.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
So when the Russian Ukraine War started, I was in
eighth grade and I just graduated my sophomore year of
high school, which means this has been going on for
way too long and I'm just really glad to see
that we finally have a president who's going to put
an end to all this garbage in whatever way he can.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Love the show. Thank you guys so much. JB. Love
having somebody in your age cohort listening. Please tell your
friends they'll get well educated on things that they listen
to Clay and Buck. JB. Why do you know more
than all your friends about all the things because you
listen to Clay and Buck. At least that's one reason.
Please spread the word, and I totally agree with your
Assessment's time to end this war. Mark Wayne Mulling up next,
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