March 20, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the guys provide updates on the NCAA tournament, highlighting games involving Creighton and Louisville, two cities where the show has a strong listener base. They reminisce about watching the tournament during school days and discuss the excitement surrounding the event. The conversation then shifts to the judicial challenges facing the Trump administration, with a focus on the unprecedented number of federal court injunctions against Trump's executive orders compared to previous administrations. They emphasize the role of federal district court judges in obstructing Trump's agenda and discuss the implications of these judicial actions. The hosts also delve into the broader issues of judicial overreach and the politicization of the judiciary, citing specific cases where judges have blocked Trump's executive orders on transgender military service and the deportation of Venezuelan gang members. They express concern about the erosion of public trust in the judiciary and the need for accountability. The hour includes a discussion with guest Julie Kelly, who provides insights into the judicial resistance against Trump and the treatment of January 6th defendants. She highlights the lack of elite legal representation for these defendants and the double standards in the legal system. The final segment features listener talkbacks, where fans share their thoughts on various topics discussed during the show. Highlights include humorous comments about March Madness and a playful debate about pickles on hamburgers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Buck an update on the
NCUBA Tournament, which I am watching out of the corner
of my eye, and I'm giving this update because it
happens to be the opening game of the NCAA Tournament
in cities where we have absolutely monstrous often number one
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ratings nationwide, So that feels particularly unique a little bit. Crayton,
great city of Omaha. I hope to be back there
this summer to check out the College World Series again.
They are up forty nine to thirty four over Louisville.
Louisville also a city where we are regularly number one,
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and breaking all of that down, it fills particularly apropos
that we would have Creighton and Louisville, two of the
cities that we are frequently number one overall in Omaha
and Louisville. So for the college basketball fans out there
at halftime, the NCAA Tournament underway and Creighton is up fifteen.
I remember we've had this discussion last year, Buck where
you said you never in your life had a tea
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shirt let you watch the NCAA Tournament during a school.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Day, Clay.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
When you start going into NC double A Clay mode,
it's you ever been around somebody when they just start
switching into a different language in front of you, and
you're like, I get it, You're allowed to speak your
own language. But you know I'm here too. I have
no Creighton, I have no idea what you're talking about,
and no if remember New York City other than Saint
John's and I'm from Manhattan, and New York is really
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five cities put together in a sense, like the boroughs
are all. Brooklyn would be the third largest city in
America if it was its own city.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I didn't know that stat. That is a great stat
That's what you get when you live in New York
thirty something years. So yeah, Brooklyn after New York proper
and Los Angeles, it's bigger than Chicago. So that gives
you a sense of a bigodess. I just bring it up, Clay,
because NYU not an NC double A power Columbia University
not an NCAA powerhouse. So the college is that people
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think of the most in Manhattan as the hometown dog,
so to speak, not contenders, so people don't pay much
attention to it, and you have amazing professional franchises everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That's the other part of it, or at least Saint
john S would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Has been brought back by Rick Bettino, who maybe the
greatest college basketball coach of the last forty years, and
he's filling up the garden, and so there's a lot
of enthusiasm about Saint John's. But I did think it
was interesting as I'm watching the scores and watching the
games underway. With that, the tournament started with two cities
we are frequently number one in so I know a
lot of people are probably paying attention in Omaha and
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in Louisville to what's going to happen in that early matchup.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Also, by the way, a lot of brand new affiliates
coming in Purdue.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We're number one all over.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The state of Indiana is underway right now as well,
So for the Purdue fans, you're up twenty two to
twenty one in buck You, I think one of the
greatest days at least four me in the eighties and
the nineties in public school in Nashville, we would regularly
have teachers roll in the television and they would let
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us watch the NCAA tournament during the school day. So
I bet there are some parents out there and grandparents
who remember that happening. I bet there's also a lot
of you that maybe had a little bit of a
scratch in the throat and you're driving around, grabbing some pizza,
grabbing some lunch, maybe headed to a sports bar called
in a little bit sick. This is one of the
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top Thursday Fridays where people start to get a little
bit sick. A little bit of a tickle in the
throat can't make it in. So we appreciate all of
you out there listening to us. Buck, I want to
keep hammering this because we talked about it a little
bit in the opening hour, We have talked about it
this week, but it has become clear that the resistance
is not coming from the legacy media. The resistance is
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not coming from Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or anybody
in the Democrat Party right now. I saw this stat
kind of echoing what we were saying up on Fox News
this morning, and it was again kind of bringing home
the history of just exactly how all of this is
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shaking down and how unprecedented it is.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Let me hit you with this.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
In four sorry, eight years of Barack Obama as President
of the United States, there were twelve federal court injunctions
put in place against Barack Obama. Eight years twelve federal
court injunctions, Joe Biden, and we know he was flagrantly
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violating the law on a regular basis, even bragging about
it sometimes. Four years, fourteen federal court injunctions. Trump has
been president for sixty days and there have now been
fifteen injunctions brought against President Trump. The resistance two point
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zero is not the New York Times and the Washington
Post and MSNBC and CNN. It is not Nancy Pelosi,
It is not the leadership of the Democrat Party in
any way. It is the federal district court judges. I
mean again, this is an extraordinary stat I want to
hammer at home because it is important for you to
understand it. Trump has already in sixty days, had more
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federal court judges striking down what he's trying to do
than Obama did in eight years, and then Joe Biden
did in four years. And we've talked about this, buck
both Biden and Obama said, I have a great deal
of executive authority. I'm going to use my executive authority
as aggressively as I can. And they basically dared the
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courts to strike down what they were doing. So ag
Pambondi is talking about that, she is certain stry something
else out there for the stats, because what they're going
to say is, but Trump is the most dictatorial and
he's hitler, and they're going to do the usual thing
that they always do. Keep in mind, we have data,
we have stats, we know what has happened with some
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of these previous administrations. The Obama administration did terribly when
it came to going to the Supreme Court with this overreach.
The Obama administration was a particularly I'm trying to find
the number right now, but it was really low, meaning
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that when when they finally got their way up to
the Supreme Court, Obama got slapped down. And I want
to say it was like eleven out of fourteen times
or something. I'll check it out, but it definitely was
a case where he kept trying to do things that
not just one federal court judge, the entire Supreme Court
said you really can't do that. Yeah, no, I mean
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I gave him had to do with he he decided
he was going to descent. He was going to decide
when they and it was in recess. Remember that STAS
sets its rules, says we're not in recess. Obama goes,
I think you're in recess, so I'm just going to
do a recess appointment. That was a big one. The
opposition here, the fighting is it needs to be the case.
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And I saw our friend Stephen Miller, and I think
it's important. He says, Look, when five Supreme Court justices
decide what the law is, that's the law. But when
you have one of eight hundred federal District Court judges
trying to stop the President of the United States from
executing his authority, it is clear that that is not
intended to be a long term solution. It's just a
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roadblock to keep Trump from being able to implement his agenda.
And that's what ag Pambondi said, Cut twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
We will appeal through the process, but we do anticipate
getting there quickly. Yes, we do need the Supreme Court.
We anticipate that because many of these lawsuits, of course,
are filed right here in DC. Many of these injunctions,
these liberal activist judges are based right here these judges
who have no right to control President Trump's agenda. But yeah,
of course we need the Supreme Court. We will get there,
(08:06):
We will get there fast, and we will prevail. Look
what Donald Trump has accomplished in the short time he's
been in office, it's remarkable. They can't stand it, they
can't handle it. He is saving our country. We are
going to protect Americans. We are going to make America
prosperous again and safe again.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
She's been high or somewhere.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Obama lost at the Supreme Court for things that he
thought that he could do in the exactive branch forty
four times unanimously forty four to nine decisions against Obama
over his eight years. Think about that for a set.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Look, And let me just say this.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't blame any president, Democrat or Republican for trying
to use the absolute maximum amount of his power that
he can to implement the agenda that he was elected
to win and the idea that true. That's why I
think that the pushback because you'll hear, well, Trump's behaving
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in a fundamentally unconstitutional white No. Look, what has happened
is these federal district court judges, they recognize the way
you get promoted, oftentimes the way you get onto the
Circuit court, and the way you put yourself in the
mix to be Attorney General or to be a Supreme
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Court nominee, or again to get promoted to one of
the thirteen circuit courts nationwide, which is a higher level
of judge, is by drawing attention to yourself as one
of the foremost opponents to Trump. Because Democrats are going
to have a president again at some point, and these
guys and gals are trying to put themselves in position
to get elevated by being the most anti Trump they can.
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They're competing, that's all true. And what we are seeing
is a true end to the public's perception that the
judiciary is nonpartisan. And I know that we are told,
oh but we were told that about the media too
endlessly for our entire adult lives.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Called the media.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The journalists are just trying to bring you the facts.
Journalism is, you know, the fourth estate, really a fifth column,
but same idea. They're trying to just present you with
the truth. And that was all a lie, the notion
that the judiciary is not a if it wasn't a
political instrument, why are Supreme Court confirmations an absolute slugfest,
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particularly when the Democrats don't want somebody on. We can
all see what's gone on here, we all understand. And
the machinery of judicial confirmation, which by the way, Mitch
McConnell actually exceled that. Obama and Biden unfortunately got a
lot of judges through too, and Trump got a lot
of judges through in twenty sixteen. But the machinery of
judicial confirmation is thought of as really political insurance, and
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I think some would say as an extra layer of legislature,
depending if you're a Democrat, you certainly think of it
that way. Yeah, I think it's unfortunate. I'm hopeful. And
this is where I you know, I'm a lawyer, and
I try to speak in a favorable way. Buck shaking
his head, he's disappointed. This is where I hope that
actually the abortion decision of Dobbs, which took everything back
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to the States, I am cautiously optimistic that Roe v.
Wade was such a litmus test case that it overshadowed
so many other aspects of what a Supreme Court justice
would do. I'm somewhat hopeful that in the decades ahead,
this could become a little bit less contentious of a process.
(11:36):
I may be wrong, that may be too positive of
a perspective on this, but the fact that you just
need a bare majority to get a Supreme Court justice
onto the bench. And I will say, I love your optimism,
but we just had to have the Court step in
to say you can't lock up a president because you
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don't like what he did as president. So thankful they
did step in though. That's why my optimism comes right now.
A scary thing, okay, I mean, you know, we saved
the Republic by a whisker on that one. Well, the
scary thing, buck is if Hillary Clinton had been able
to make the appointments that Donald Trump did, I'm not
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sure how the Supreme Court would have ruled. I think
in the decades ahead, the rulings that they gave on
presidential immunity and presidential privilege and the ability to do
your job actually ended up being correct, and that hopefully
you're going to stand for whether it's a Democrat or
Republican in the future. In an ideal world, judges would
stand on principle over politics. And I will say this,
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a lot of what they end up having to decide.
Oftentimes are things that they never had to consider beforehand.
For instance, would you have ever believed that the Supreme
Court was going to hear a case on whether the
federal government could mandate a vaccine?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, that is.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
A crazy case to have thought that you might ever hear.
Fortunately they got the right result, but remember how crazy
the three Democrats were in terms of what they would
have allowed Joe Biden to do. It would have been
in a truly atrocious president. I love your optimism, I
do not share it. I think that the days of
believing that the judiciary is going to be something that
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kids are taught in school. Oh, and they grow up
and they know and they believe that this is above politics.
The judiciary is unfortunately very much just the same way
that prosecutors. Does anyone ever argue anymore Clay that prosecutors
are not instruments of politics in certain instances, on certain cases, Well,
wait til you get a politically a politically volatile case,
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and then everybody realizes the you know, the district attorney
or the US FED or the US attorney. So that's changed,
and I think this is changing too. People realize judges
have politics, and they bring politics to every decision they make.
Let me give one more moment of brief optimism here.
I do think one of the significant aspects of Trump's
victory in twenty twenty four may be the lesson of
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it blows up in your face when you try to
use the judiciary too aggressively against your political opponent. Again,
cautiously optimistic, I do think that blew up in Democrats'
faces and ended up solidifying Trump's base in a way
that it wouldn't have if they hadn't come after him.
I think it's like we made a goal line stand,
mister Welne stand yes, and maybe we've recovered the football
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and now we're on offense, but we're on our own.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Five yard line. Okay, what it comes to.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Where we're actually a really good sports analogy from you
there all. Seriously, no I pay attention. You know, Paduan
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Hi, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got Julie
Kelly joining us shortly here. This is gonna be a
quick turnaround, but she'll dive into the judicial coup with us.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
She's following this stuff very closely. You remember her.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
She also has a particular perspective seeing what the judges
did to j six defendants versus how some of these
judges are acting now on behalf of trend Aragua. We
will get into that, but we have talked back l
L listener in Akron, Ohio, Kay Lynn, Let's hear what
she says.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Hey, guys, it's Kaitlin and Ohio. I just want to
say as a white educated woman with a master's degree.
I cannot wait until March Madness is over because I'm
so sick of hearing all this stats and all this
stuff that I really don't care about, but I keep
listening to you guys, so I can't wait for it
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to be over.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Wow, I'm gonna hand that. I'm gonna hand that off
to you, Clay. I feel like I feel like she's
being I feel like you're being judged right now. I mean,
is Kaylin married to a male? It's just off the
top rope on March Madness maybe the greatest Thursday of
the year in the United States and in Akron, Ohio,
(17:38):
a state that is crazy for college sports. I'm sorry
that she has so much hate in her life. Buck,
I wish that she was happier. Well, I appreciate Kaylin
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We are joined now by our good friends and Julie Kelly.
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We were just talking earlier in the program at the
top of this hour about all of the craziness coming
from the Federal District Court judges.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And Julie I'll start off with this.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I said that I am somewhat optimistic that things are
going to get better with the judiciary in the years
ahead because Trump lost. I mean Trump won, and I
think one reason Democrats lost was because they went so political.
You have been covering and they try to put him
in prison, and they try to bankrupt him in all
those things. You've been covering these cases like crazy. We've
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never seen anything like the resistance that Trump is getting
from the federal district courts right now. Are you optimistic
in the future or do you think our judicial system
is just a huge pile of steaming pooh.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going
to go with the latter, because, of course I have covered,
especially in Washington, DC, and I've talked about with you guys,
what's happened with the J six proceedings in Washington and
the case against the president. These judges feel impervious and
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they have not been held accountable. When Chief Justice sunt
rothbert that really inappropriate. I think tatment about impeachment not
his place. Number one. The problem is not that impeachment
is thrown around or overused. The problem is that impeachment
has not been used. I think fourteen federal judges have
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been impeached, only eight have been convicted. Congress has completely
advocated its oversight role of the federal judiciary. So this
is how you get Jim Bosberg, and this is how
you get tim Ya Chuckkin and Baryl Hoowell and these
other judges because they know they're not accountable. So until
these judges are held accountable, and not by being reversed
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by the Supreme Court. I saw that in the immunity case.
I saw that Miss Fisher, the overturning of the fifteen
twelve V. Two against JA six. These lower court judges
don't care and if if they're Democrats, they don't think
that the Supreme Court is legitimate anyway. So this is
a serious crisis. This is by the public's trust in
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the federal judiciary is at an all time low, and
Republicans who are threatening to file articles and impeachment I
think some have been filed, or to strict jurisdiction from
some of the most egregious political actors on the bench,
or simply to shut down the DC's federal court system,
which I've advocated for years. Strong measures need to be
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taken otherwise this is going to actually help.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It really bothers me, Julie, to see how much the
DC Circuit Court is essentially an extra branch of government.
It's like the failsafe for the deep state. Right, they
can bring any case they want there, and they know
that unless the Supreme Court steps in, they'll get their way.
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And this is very clear the fact that they didn't.
I always have to remind people of this that none
of the j six related individuals were able to get
a different a different venue.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
For the trial. I think even I think Timothy McVay.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Was given a different venue for his trial from Oklahoma City.
If memory serves like this is a standard thing in
the justice system for people if there's considered to be
a prejudice jury to be able to get it. No
one right, No one got the court or got the jurisdiction.
The venue moved from DC. So that's very troubling some
of these district judges. Of the stuff that they've come
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up with, the ones that to me are well the
turning around of the plane with the trend to Ragua guys,
that seems to be the most egregious I think to
most of US, but a couple of other ones, Julie
the judge, and you're familiar with these different judges. I
know too, So that's the thing. You know who these
individuals are from covering them. The judge who said that
you can't ban transgenders from serving in the military. And
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now there's a judge that I believe has ordered the
to return men to a women's prison who say they're transgender,
like this is just they're just making up laws.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Now they are, and they're completely undermining And these are
all related to presidential executive orders. So what you're talking
about is Anna Reeus, who is the first LGBTQ byden
appointed District Court judge in Washington basically reversing vacating the
President's executive order on transgenders in the military. Royce Lambert,
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a regular appointee who I watched just absolutely throw the
book at Jay six Ers, throwing grandmothers in prison for
fifty seven months on the obstruction count that was later overturned,
and he himself rejecting the President's executive order and ordering
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the government US to pay for hormone therapy and transitional
surgery for these transn who are in prison. Either criminals. Right,
we're not just saying, you know, for whoever wants it.
They are interneral custodies. And then of course Jim Bosberg
ordering verbally for the Department of Justice and BHS to
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return flights that were already in the air out of
US air space, very likely traveling over either Mexico or
Central America, ordering the return of those flights carrying known
illegal immigrants or suspected Venezuelan terrorist tied to that DA day.
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Who do these judges think that they are? And so
now what Gosburg is doing is I think setting up
a kintunt trap because he was saying, well, I made
this verbal order, you should have turned the planes allow,
no planes should have taken off that day at all,
because I was holding this peering And this is a
temporary restraining order that he issued, actually two of them
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on Saturday that left fourteen days and again preventing the
President and his team from executing his proclamation over the
weekend of the alien Enemies asks. So excuse me, this
is very reckless, very destructive, and dangerous. No one should
be defending what these judges are doing.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Of course, all of these are going on appeel there's
oral arguments in the Venezuelan Paris case on Monday afternoon.
I'll be covering that live. But I'll tell you as
bad as I knew these judges were, and how they
just repeatedly denied to youerpoint due process for j Sixers,
refusing in every single case to move those trials out
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of Washington, DC to now see them leap to the
rescue and allegedly protect the quote unquote due process rights
of illegal and suspected gang members from Venezuela that pose
a legitimate threat to this country, not that Jay Sixers did.
It's pretty head spending.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
We're talking to Julie Kelly. Julie, you mentioned the jan Sixers,
and when you first started coming on with US four
years ago, you were one of the very few people
out there actually shining a light on how.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They were being treated.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Given the Democrat obsession with January sixth and the years
that they spent on it. Are you somewhat surprised that
Trump came in immediately pardoned to every January sixer and
the story just vanished. I mean, isn't that kind of
interesting because there were all these arguments out there. Oh
if Trump pardons all the jan sixers. This will be
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a constitutional and he did it, and no one even
mentions hardly January sixth anymore. Are you surprised at how
quickly it's kind of vanished?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Yes, I will say that I am. As you guys know,
I talked to the President a few days before inauguration day,
talked to him for at length about what had happened
to the j sixers, you know, the various part in proposals.
He expressed he was very committed to blanket pardon with
a few exceptions, and that's, of course exactly what he did.
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And there was some noise about it for what a
week or ten days, and then has completely disappeared. And
the Democrats even want to forget about January sixth, I
think with Jamie Raskin said a few weeks ago, oh
can we stop talking about January sixth already?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's really funny one, right?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, But yes, I am very surprised, but happily so.
And you know, it's great to see these people starting
to pick up the pieces of their lives. But you know,
I was reading one of the filings today in the
Venezuelan terrorism case, and these illegals have stables of lawyers
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defending them and fighting the government on behalf of the
alleged rights of these illegals have, and it's really disturbing
that we found none of that for American citizens. Wrongly
Pross defeated for participating in the events of January sixth.
I mean, the co legal judicial system is so upside down.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
You can kind just jump in really quick July to
say that from my understanding from friends in the legal world,
if you defend like if you would defend Osama bin Laden.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You obviously that won't happen.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But if someone could do that, that would be considered
a feather in their legal cap going forward. They could
say it's like John Adams defending the Red Coats like
everyone deserves. But no one felt that way in a
lot of the big law firms and in sort of
the big law world about j six Americans.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, absolutely not. Most of them defend relied on public defenders.
Some of those public defenders were very good, others were terrible,
and I saw I saw both sides to that. But
going back to Jeb Bosberg, I was in a sport
room in December, the week before Christmas. He put a
woman who went inside the capital for nine minutes, committed
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no violence charge with four misdemeanors. He put her on
trial the week before Christmas, before DC jury jurors from
the city that had just voted ninety two percent for
Kamala Harris. He completely ignored her pleas to postpone the
trial until after the president was inaugurated, knowing that she
would be getting a pardon because of course she only
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had misdemeanors, and he denied postponing that trial, put her
on trial for three days. She was immediately convicted by
the CDC jury. So that's the mindset of these judges.
No due process, no protection of constitutional rights for American
citizens because they're Trump supporters. But he swooped in Saturday
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as soon as he possibly could, ordering planes to be
turned around carrying Venezuelan terrorists and now fighting the government
for disclosures details of those deportations. LIFs just I mean,
how can you how can it go? I want to
deal with someone like that, you can't.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm glad you brought that up about the quality of
legal representation, because I remember this was one of the
first things we talked about with you Julie, was you
were raising money so that the lawyers could be better.
John Adams defended the Boston massacre British soldiers in a
pre revolutionary America. For people out there that have forgotten,
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because it used to be a basically foundational belief of
lawyers that everybody deserved the best possible legal representation, even
people who were accused of heinous crimes. And to Buck's point,
and I know you saw this, Julie, everybody wants.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
To line up.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I've got friends who worked on nine to eleven prosecutions.
The people who were involved in flying planes into our
buildings have elite representation. Look, I don't begrudge that, because
I think that is the American system of justice. But Julie,
just to kind of finish here, how many many elite
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lawyers were willing to step forward and volunteer their time
to rep the J sixers.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
There were no elite, white shoe law firms that stepped
up to defend a single J sixer.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Not one.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Again, there were some very good lawyers, some that were
retained privately, most that were court appointed or public defenders,
but not as single. You see all of these law
firms lined up not just defending these terrorists, but fighting
the Trump administration on anything. These are all big name
law firms. Now none none of them stepped up for
American citizens because they considered them terrorists. You know, the
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Venezuelan gang members, attaches all over the place who have
suspected ties to TDA. They're not terrorists, they're victims. But
you walk inside the Capitol for nine minutes, commit no violence,
and you have the chief Judge of the DC District
Court putting you on trial in the most democratic city
in the country for a quick conviction. No, none of
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them Did's so shame on these law firms. And this
is why I'm so glad to see the President doing
what he can to villify these law firms, strip them
up security clearances, access to document in buildings, and doing
yet damage to their business, because that's exactly what they deserve.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking
to you again, and thank you for the last four years.
How awesome you've been talking to us and keeping us
updated on all this.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
See you guys are awesome for always having me on.
Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Good stuff.
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Welcome back, Oh, whose turn is it right? We're firing.
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Speaker 2 (34:23):
We're good. You know we passed.
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Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's just the nature live radio.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But Clay, H, I know you're fired up because there's
some incoming here. There's some incoming on the talkbacks. I
don't know how many of these we need to get to.
We have a whole page of talkbacks of people saying
they don't want to hear anything more about March madness.
I am what's stunned beyond belief over this, I mean
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over the outrage over March Madness.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I have never I don't know. I mean I will.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I will keep to myself on this one because everyone,
I think understands where I am. I am hopeful that
never having watched a March Madness game, I just want
to be very clear on this. Never I've never watched one,
and I'm not going through this month either, But I
am hoping that I can take Clay down in the
bracket challenge, just because then I get to be smug
about it for a week on the radio. That is
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my and he has to take me out for a stake.
So this is my fond my fond dream, Clay, do
you want to get to these? Pretty much all the
talkbacks are on this.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Let's give people opportunity hour three to continue. I didn't
want to play this one because these two were very funny.
Let's play talkback ee the Great Battle over Gladiator two.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Nate from Utah wanted to weigh in.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
I just want to say, I think you guys balance
each other really well, and whenever I want to be
has to go solo. It's still a good show. But
just not quite the same. So I hope you guys
can keep the show going together for many more years
to come. And I just want to say, Clay Gladiator
two sucked.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
At least very taste in movies for sure, very nice
and then off the top and then I love this
guy Buck. I don't know if you've seen this, FF,
this is a man who's fired up about your dislike
for pickles.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
FF.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
I'd admit I'm just a little bit confused because apparently
Buck thinks pickles are not okay on hamburgers, but somehow
pickles is okay on football players. I don't know, Like
I say, a little confused, but it's all good.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Very well played Buck, who inadvertently thought George Pickens was
George Pickles when it came to sports picks in the NFL,
Anti pickles on hamburgers, pro pickles on the football field.
That's a good callback from that listener. I will say
I got smoked in my own poll on that one
seventy five percent of people on X that they like
pickles on hamburgers. The world has gone insane. Great taste
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Buck an update on the
NCUBA Tournament, which I am watching out of the corner
of my eye, and I'm giving this update because it
happens to be the opening game of the NCAA Tournament
in cities where we have absolutely monstrous often number one
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ratings nationwide, So that feels particularly unique a little bit. Crayton,
great city of Omaha. I hope to be back there
this summer to check out the College World Series again.
They are up forty nine to thirty four over Louisville.
Louisville also a city where we are regularly number one,
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and breaking all of that down, it fills particularly apropos
that we would have Creighton and Louisville, two of the
cities that we are frequently number one overall in Omaha
and Louisville. So for the college basketball fans out there
at halftime, the NCAA Tournament underway and Creighton is up fifteen.
I remember we've had this discussion last year, Buck where
you said you never in your life had a tea
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shirt let you watch the NCAA Tournament during a school.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Day, Clay.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
When you start going into NC double A Clay mode,
it's you ever been around somebody when they just start
switching into a different language in front of you, and
you're like, I get it, You're allowed to speak your
own language. But you know I'm here too. I have
no Creighton, I have no idea what you're talking about,
and no if remember New York City other than Saint
John's and I'm from Manhattan, and New York is really
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five cities put together in a sense, like the boroughs
are all. Brooklyn would be the third largest city in
America if it was its own city.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I didn't know that stat. That is a great stat
That's what you get when you live in New York
thirty something years. So yeah, Brooklyn after New York proper
and Los Angeles, it's bigger than Chicago. So that gives
you a sense of a bigodess. I just bring it up, Clay,
because NYU not an NC double A power Columbia University
not an NCAA powerhouse. So the college is that people
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think of the most in Manhattan as the hometown dog,
so to speak, not contenders, so people don't pay much
attention to it, and you have amazing professional franchises everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That's the other part of it, or at least Saint
john S would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Has been brought back by Rick Bettino, who maybe the
greatest college basketball coach of the last forty years, and
he's filling up the garden, and so there's a lot
of enthusiasm about Saint John's. But I did think it
was interesting as I'm watching the scores and watching the
games underway. With that, the tournament started with two cities
we are frequently number one in so I know a
lot of people are probably paying attention in Omaha and
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in Louisville to what's going to happen in that early matchup.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Also, by the way, a lot of brand new affiliates
coming in Purdue.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We're number one all over.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The state of Indiana is underway right now as well,
So for the Purdue fans, you're up twenty two to
twenty one in buck You, I think one of the
greatest days at least four me in the eighties and
the nineties in public school in Nashville, we would regularly
have teachers roll in the television and they would let
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us watch the NCAA tournament during the school day. So
I bet there are some parents out there and grandparents
who remember that happening. I bet there's also a lot
of you that maybe had a little bit of a
scratch in the throat and you're driving around, grabbing some pizza,
grabbing some lunch, maybe headed to a sports bar called
in a little bit sick. This is one of the
(03:32):
top Thursday Fridays where people start to get a little
bit sick. A little bit of a tickle in the
throat can't make it in. So we appreciate all of
you out there listening to us. Buck, I want to
keep hammering this because we talked about it a little
bit in the opening hour, We have talked about it
this week, but it has become clear that the resistance
is not coming from the legacy media. The resistance is
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not coming from Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or anybody
in the Democrat Party right now. I saw this stat
kind of echoing what we were saying up on Fox News
this morning, and it was again kind of bringing home
the history of just exactly how all of this is
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shaking down and how unprecedented it is.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Let me hit you with this.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
In four sorry, eight years of Barack Obama as President
of the United States, there were twelve federal court injunctions
put in place against Barack Obama. Eight years twelve federal
court injunctions, Joe Biden, and we know he was flagrantly
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violating the law on a regular basis, even bragging about
it sometimes. Four years, fourteen federal court injunctions. Trump has
been president for sixty days and there have now been
fifteen injunctions brought against President Trump. The resistance two point
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zero is not the New York Times and the Washington
Post and MSNBC and CNN. It is not Nancy Pelosi,
It is not the leadership of the Democrat Party in
any way. It is the federal district court judges. I
mean again, this is an extraordinary stat I want to
hammer at home because it is important for you to
understand it. Trump has already in sixty days, had more
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federal court judges striking down what he's trying to do
than Obama did in eight years, and then Joe Biden
did in four years. And we've talked about this, buck
both Biden and Obama said, I have a great deal
of executive authority. I'm going to use my executive authority
as aggressively as I can. And they basically dared the
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courts to strike down what they were doing. So ag
Pambondi is talking about that, she is certain stry something
else out there for the stats, because what they're going
to say is, but Trump is the most dictatorial and
he's hitler, and they're going to do the usual thing
that they always do. Keep in mind, we have data,
we have stats, we know what has happened with some
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of these previous administrations. The Obama administration did terribly when
it came to going to the Supreme Court with this overreach.
The Obama administration was a particularly I'm trying to find
the number right now, but it was really low, meaning
(06:35):
that when when they finally got their way up to
the Supreme Court, Obama got slapped down. And I want
to say it was like eleven out of fourteen times
or something. I'll check it out, but it definitely was
a case where he kept trying to do things that
not just one federal court judge, the entire Supreme Court
said you really can't do that. Yeah, no, I mean
(06:55):
I gave him had to do with he he decided
he was going to descent. He was going to decide
when they and it was in recess. Remember that STAS
sets its rules, says we're not in recess. Obama goes,
I think you're in recess, so I'm just going to
do a recess appointment. That was a big one. The
opposition here, the fighting is it needs to be the case.
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And I saw our friend Stephen Miller, and I think
it's important. He says, Look, when five Supreme Court justices
decide what the law is, that's the law. But when
you have one of eight hundred federal District Court judges
trying to stop the President of the United States from
executing his authority, it is clear that that is not
intended to be a long term solution. It's just a
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roadblock to keep Trump from being able to implement his agenda.
And that's what ag Pambondi said, Cut twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
We will appeal through the process, but we do anticipate
getting there quickly. Yes, we do need the Supreme Court.
We anticipate that because many of these lawsuits, of course,
are filed right here in DC. Many of these injunctions,
these liberal activist judges are based right here these judges
who have no right to control President Trump's agenda. But yeah,
of course we need the Supreme Court. We will get there,
(08:06):
We will get there fast, and we will prevail. Look
what Donald Trump has accomplished in the short time he's
been in office, it's remarkable. They can't stand it, they
can't handle it. He is saving our country. We are
going to protect Americans. We are going to make America
prosperous again and safe again.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
She's been high or somewhere.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Obama lost at the Supreme Court for things that he
thought that he could do in the exactive branch forty
four times unanimously forty four to nine decisions against Obama
over his eight years. Think about that for a set.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Look, And let me just say this.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't blame any president, Democrat or Republican for trying
to use the absolute maximum amount of his power that
he can to implement the agenda that he was elected
to win and the idea that true. That's why I
think that the pushback because you'll hear, well, Trump's behaving
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in a fundamentally unconstitutional white No. Look, what has happened
is these federal district court judges, they recognize the way
you get promoted, oftentimes the way you get onto the
Circuit court, and the way you put yourself in the
mix to be Attorney General or to be a Supreme
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Court nominee, or again to get promoted to one of
the thirteen circuit courts nationwide, which is a higher level
of judge, is by drawing attention to yourself as one
of the foremost opponents to Trump. Because Democrats are going
to have a president again at some point, and these
guys and gals are trying to put themselves in position
to get elevated by being the most anti Trump they can.
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They're competing, that's all true. And what we are seeing
is a true end to the public's perception that the
judiciary is nonpartisan. And I know that we are told,
oh but we were told that about the media too
endlessly for our entire adult lives.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Called the media.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The journalists are just trying to bring you the facts.
Journalism is, you know, the fourth estate, really a fifth column,
but same idea. They're trying to just present you with
the truth. And that was all a lie, the notion
that the judiciary is not a if it wasn't a
political instrument, why are Supreme Court confirmations an absolute slugfest,
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particularly when the Democrats don't want somebody on. We can
all see what's gone on here, we all understand. And
the machinery of judicial confirmation, which by the way, Mitch
McConnell actually exceled that. Obama and Biden unfortunately got a
lot of judges through too, and Trump got a lot
of judges through in twenty sixteen. But the machinery of
judicial confirmation is thought of as really political insurance, and
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I think some would say as an extra layer of legislature,
depending if you're a Democrat, you certainly think of it
that way. Yeah, I think it's unfortunate. I'm hopeful. And
this is where I you know, I'm a lawyer, and
I try to speak in a favorable way. Buck shaking
his head, he's disappointed. This is where I hope that
actually the abortion decision of Dobbs, which took everything back
(11:13):
to the States, I am cautiously optimistic that Roe v.
Wade was such a litmus test case that it overshadowed
so many other aspects of what a Supreme Court justice
would do. I'm somewhat hopeful that in the decades ahead,
this could become a little bit less contentious of a process.
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I may be wrong, that may be too positive of
a perspective on this, but the fact that you just
need a bare majority to get a Supreme Court justice
onto the bench. And I will say, I love your optimism,
but we just had to have the Court step in
to say you can't lock up a president because you
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don't like what he did as president. So thankful they
did step in though. That's why my optimism comes right now.
A scary thing, okay, I mean, you know, we saved
the Republic by a whisker on that one. Well, the
scary thing, buck is if Hillary Clinton had been able
to make the appointments that Donald Trump did, I'm not
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sure how the Supreme Court would have ruled. I think
in the decades ahead, the rulings that they gave on
presidential immunity and presidential privilege and the ability to do
your job actually ended up being correct, and that hopefully
you're going to stand for whether it's a Democrat or
Republican in the future. In an ideal world, judges would
stand on principle over politics. And I will say this,
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a lot of what they end up having to decide.
Oftentimes are things that they never had to consider beforehand.
For instance, would you have ever believed that the Supreme
Court was going to hear a case on whether the
federal government could mandate a vaccine?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, that is.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
A crazy case to have thought that you might ever hear.
Fortunately they got the right result, but remember how crazy
the three Democrats were in terms of what they would
have allowed Joe Biden to do. It would have been
in a truly atrocious president. I love your optimism, I
do not share it. I think that the days of
believing that the judiciary is going to be something that
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kids are taught in school. Oh, and they grow up
and they know and they believe that this is above politics.
The judiciary is unfortunately very much just the same way
that prosecutors. Does anyone ever argue anymore Clay that prosecutors
are not instruments of politics in certain instances, on certain cases, Well,
wait til you get a politically a politically volatile case,
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and then everybody realizes the you know, the district attorney
or the US FED or the US attorney. So that's changed,
and I think this is changing too. People realize judges
have politics, and they bring politics to every decision they make.
Let me give one more moment of brief optimism here.
I do think one of the significant aspects of Trump's
victory in twenty twenty four may be the lesson of
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it blows up in your face when you try to
use the judiciary too aggressively against your political opponent. Again,
cautiously optimistic, I do think that blew up in Democrats'
faces and ended up solidifying Trump's base in a way
that it wouldn't have if they hadn't come after him.
I think it's like we made a goal line stand,
mister Welne stand yes, and maybe we've recovered the football
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and now we're on offense, but we're on our own.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Five yard line. Okay, what it comes to.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Where we're actually a really good sports analogy from you
there all. Seriously, no I pay attention. You know, Paduan
is over here learning as he goes. We'll take some
of your calls on this and also some talkbacks, and
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Hi, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got Julie
Kelly joining us shortly here. This is gonna be a
quick turnaround, but she'll dive into the judicial coup with us.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
She's following this stuff very closely. You remember her.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
She also has a particular perspective seeing what the judges
did to j six defendants versus how some of these
judges are acting now on behalf of trend Aragua. We
will get into that, but we have talked back l
L listener in Akron, Ohio, Kay Lynn, Let's hear what
she says.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Hey, guys, it's Kaitlin and Ohio. I just want to
say as a white educated woman with a master's degree.
I cannot wait until March Madness is over because I'm
so sick of hearing all this stats and all this
stuff that I really don't care about, but I keep
listening to you guys, so I can't wait for it
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to be over.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Wow, I'm gonna hand that. I'm gonna hand that off
to you, Clay. I feel like I feel like she's
being I feel like you're being judged right now. I mean,
is Kaylin married to a male? It's just off the
top rope on March Madness maybe the greatest Thursday of
the year in the United States and in Akron, Ohio,
(17:38):
a state that is crazy for college sports. I'm sorry
that she has so much hate in her life. Buck,
I wish that she was happier. Well, I appreciate Kaylin
giving us her talk back and giving us her ears
for this show. I'm also curious. Oh, I got a
question about this, but I'll ask it later.
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We were just talking earlier in the program at the
top of this hour about all of the craziness coming
from the Federal District Court judges.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And Julie I'll start off with this.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I said that I am somewhat optimistic that things are
going to get better with the judiciary in the years
ahead because Trump lost. I mean Trump won, and I
think one reason Democrats lost was because they went so political.
You have been covering and they try to put him
in prison, and they try to bankrupt him in all
those things. You've been covering these cases like crazy. We've
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never seen anything like the resistance that Trump is getting
from the federal district courts right now. Are you optimistic
in the future or do you think our judicial system
is just a huge pile of steaming pooh.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going
to go with the latter, because, of course I have covered,
especially in Washington, DC, and I've talked about with you guys,
what's happened with the J six proceedings in Washington and
the case against the president. These judges feel impervious and
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they have not been held accountable. When Chief Justice sunt
rothbert that really inappropriate. I think tatment about impeachment not
his place. Number one. The problem is not that impeachment
is thrown around or overused. The problem is that impeachment
has not been used. I think fourteen federal judges have
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been impeached, only eight have been convicted. Congress has completely
advocated its oversight role of the federal judiciary. So this
is how you get Jim Bosberg, and this is how
you get tim Ya Chuckkin and Baryl Hoowell and these
other judges because they know they're not accountable. So until
these judges are held accountable, and not by being reversed
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by the Supreme Court. I saw that in the immunity case.
I saw that Miss Fisher, the overturning of the fifteen
twelve V. Two against JA six. These lower court judges
don't care and if if they're Democrats, they don't think
that the Supreme Court is legitimate anyway. So this is
a serious crisis. This is by the public's trust in
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the federal judiciary is at an all time low, and
Republicans who are threatening to file articles and impeachment I
think some have been filed, or to strict jurisdiction from
some of the most egregious political actors on the bench,
or simply to shut down the DC's federal court system,
which I've advocated for years. Strong measures need to be
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taken otherwise this is going to actually help.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It really bothers me, Julie, to see how much the
DC Circuit Court is essentially an extra branch of government.
It's like the failsafe for the deep state. Right, they
can bring any case they want there, and they know
that unless the Supreme Court steps in, they'll get their way.
(21:59):
And this is very clear the fact that they didn't.
I always have to remind people of this that none
of the j six related individuals were able to get
a different a different venue.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
For the trial. I think even I think Timothy McVay.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Was given a different venue for his trial from Oklahoma City.
If memory serves like this is a standard thing in
the justice system for people if there's considered to be
a prejudice jury to be able to get it. No
one right, No one got the court or got the jurisdiction.
The venue moved from DC. So that's very troubling some
of these district judges. Of the stuff that they've come
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up with, the ones that to me are well the
turning around of the plane with the trend to Ragua guys,
that seems to be the most egregious I think to
most of US, but a couple of other ones, Julie
the judge, and you're familiar with these different judges. I
know too, So that's the thing. You know who these
individuals are from covering them. The judge who said that
you can't ban transgenders from serving in the military. And
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now there's a judge that I believe has ordered the
to return men to a women's prison who say they're transgender,
like this is just they're just making up laws.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Now they are, and they're completely undermining And these are
all related to presidential executive orders. So what you're talking
about is Anna Reeus, who is the first LGBTQ byden
appointed District Court judge in Washington basically reversing vacating the
President's executive order on transgenders in the military. Royce Lambert,
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a regular appointee who I watched just absolutely throw the
book at Jay six Ers, throwing grandmothers in prison for
fifty seven months on the obstruction count that was later overturned,
and he himself rejecting the President's executive order and ordering
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the government US to pay for hormone therapy and transitional
surgery for these transn who are in prison. Either criminals. Right,
we're not just saying, you know, for whoever wants it.
They are interneral custodies. And then of course Jim Bosberg
ordering verbally for the Department of Justice and BHS to
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return flights that were already in the air out of
US air space, very likely traveling over either Mexico or
Central America, ordering the return of those flights carrying known
illegal immigrants or suspected Venezuelan terrorist tied to that DA day.
(24:39):
Who do these judges think that they are? And so
now what Gosburg is doing is I think setting up
a kintunt trap because he was saying, well, I made
this verbal order, you should have turned the planes allow,
no planes should have taken off that day at all,
because I was holding this peering And this is a
temporary restraining order that he issued, actually two of them
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on Saturday that left fourteen days and again preventing the
President and his team from executing his proclamation over the
weekend of the alien Enemies asks. So excuse me, this
is very reckless, very destructive, and dangerous. No one should
be defending what these judges are doing.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Of course, all of these are going on appeel there's
oral arguments in the Venezuelan Paris case on Monday afternoon.
I'll be covering that live. But I'll tell you as
bad as I knew these judges were, and how they
just repeatedly denied to youerpoint due process for j Sixers,
refusing in every single case to move those trials out
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of Washington, DC to now see them leap to the
rescue and allegedly protect the quote unquote due process rights
of illegal and suspected gang members from Venezuela that pose
a legitimate threat to this country, not that Jay Sixers did.
It's pretty head spending.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
We're talking to Julie Kelly. Julie, you mentioned the jan Sixers,
and when you first started coming on with US four
years ago, you were one of the very few people
out there actually shining a light on how.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They were being treated.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Given the Democrat obsession with January sixth and the years
that they spent on it. Are you somewhat surprised that
Trump came in immediately pardoned to every January sixer and
the story just vanished. I mean, isn't that kind of
interesting because there were all these arguments out there. Oh
if Trump pardons all the jan sixers. This will be
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a constitutional and he did it, and no one even
mentions hardly January sixth anymore. Are you surprised at how
quickly it's kind of vanished?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Yes, I will say that I am. As you guys know,
I talked to the President a few days before inauguration day,
talked to him for at length about what had happened
to the j sixers, you know, the various part in proposals.
He expressed he was very committed to blanket pardon with
a few exceptions, and that's, of course exactly what he did.
(27:06):
And there was some noise about it for what a
week or ten days, and then has completely disappeared. And
the Democrats even want to forget about January sixth, I
think with Jamie Raskin said a few weeks ago, oh
can we stop talking about January sixth already?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's really funny one, right?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, But yes, I am very surprised, but happily so.
And you know, it's great to see these people starting
to pick up the pieces of their lives. But you know,
I was reading one of the filings today in the
Venezuelan terrorism case, and these illegals have stables of lawyers
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defending them and fighting the government on behalf of the
alleged rights of these illegals have, and it's really disturbing
that we found none of that for American citizens. Wrongly
Pross defeated for participating in the events of January sixth.
I mean, the co legal judicial system is so upside down.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
You can kind just jump in really quick July to
say that from my understanding from friends in the legal world,
if you defend like if you would defend Osama bin Laden.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You obviously that won't happen.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But if someone could do that, that would be considered
a feather in their legal cap going forward. They could
say it's like John Adams defending the Red Coats like
everyone deserves. But no one felt that way in a
lot of the big law firms and in sort of
the big law world about j six Americans.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, absolutely not. Most of them defend relied on public defenders.
Some of those public defenders were very good, others were terrible,
and I saw I saw both sides to that. But
going back to Jeb Bosberg, I was in a sport
room in December, the week before Christmas. He put a
woman who went inside the capital for nine minutes, committed
(28:57):
no violence charge with four misdemeanors. He put her on
trial the week before Christmas, before DC jury jurors from
the city that had just voted ninety two percent for
Kamala Harris. He completely ignored her pleas to postpone the
trial until after the president was inaugurated, knowing that she
would be getting a pardon because of course she only
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had misdemeanors, and he denied postponing that trial, put her
on trial for three days. She was immediately convicted by
the CDC jury. So that's the mindset of these judges.
No due process, no protection of constitutional rights for American
citizens because they're Trump supporters. But he swooped in Saturday
(29:42):
as soon as he possibly could, ordering planes to be
turned around carrying Venezuelan terrorists and now fighting the government
for disclosures details of those deportations. LIFs just I mean,
how can you how can it go? I want to
deal with someone like that, you can't.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm glad you brought that up about the quality of
legal representation, because I remember this was one of the
first things we talked about with you Julie, was you
were raising money so that the lawyers could be better.
John Adams defended the Boston massacre British soldiers in a
pre revolutionary America. For people out there that have forgotten,
(30:23):
because it used to be a basically foundational belief of
lawyers that everybody deserved the best possible legal representation, even
people who were accused of heinous crimes. And to Buck's point,
and I know you saw this, Julie, everybody wants.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
To line up.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I've got friends who worked on nine to eleven prosecutions.
The people who were involved in flying planes into our
buildings have elite representation. Look, I don't begrudge that, because
I think that is the American system of justice. But Julie,
just to kind of finish here, how many many elite
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lawyers were willing to step forward and volunteer their time
to rep the J sixers.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
There were no elite, white shoe law firms that stepped
up to defend a single J sixer.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Not one.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Again, there were some very good lawyers, some that were
retained privately, most that were court appointed or public defenders,
but not as single. You see all of these law
firms lined up not just defending these terrorists, but fighting
the Trump administration on anything. These are all big name
law firms. Now none none of them stepped up for
American citizens because they considered them terrorists. You know, the
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Venezuelan gang members, attaches all over the place who have
suspected ties to TDA. They're not terrorists, they're victims. But
you walk inside the Capitol for nine minutes, commit no violence,
and you have the chief Judge of the DC District
Court putting you on trial in the most democratic city
in the country for a quick conviction. No, none of
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them Did's so shame on these law firms. And this
is why I'm so glad to see the President doing
what he can to villify these law firms, strip them
up security clearances, access to document in buildings, and doing
yet damage to their business, because that's exactly what they deserve.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking
to you again, and thank you for the last four years.
How awesome you've been talking to us and keeping us
updated on all this.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
See you guys are awesome for always having me on.
Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Good stuff.
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Welcome back, Oh, whose turn is it right? We're firing.
It's technically me, but we're we're good.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
We're good. You know we passed.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We passed the ball back and forth here, and sometimes
it goes off with one of our feet or the
rep's knee or something.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's just the nature live radio.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But Clay, H, I know you're fired up because there's
some incoming here. There's some incoming on the talkbacks. I
don't know how many of these we need to get to.
We have a whole page of talkbacks of people saying
they don't want to hear anything more about March madness.
I am what's stunned beyond belief over this, I mean
(34:53):
over the outrage over March Madness.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I have never I don't know. I mean I will.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I will keep to myself on this one because everyone,
I think understands where I am. I am hopeful that
never having watched a March Madness game, I just want
to be very clear on this. Never I've never watched one,
and I'm not going through this month either, But I
am hoping that I can take Clay down in the
bracket challenge, just because then I get to be smug
about it for a week on the radio. That is
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my and he has to take me out for a stake.
So this is my fond my fond dream, Clay, do
you want to get to these? Pretty much all the
talkbacks are on this.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Let's give people opportunity hour three to continue. I didn't
want to play this one because these two were very funny.
Let's play talkback ee the Great Battle over Gladiator two.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Nate from Utah wanted to weigh in.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
I just want to say, I think you guys balance
each other really well, and whenever I want to be
has to go solo. It's still a good show. But
just not quite the same. So I hope you guys
can keep the show going together for many more years
to come. And I just want to say, Clay Gladiator
two sucked.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
At least very taste in movies for sure, very nice
and then off the top and then I love this
guy Buck. I don't know if you've seen this, FF,
this is a man who's fired up about your dislike
for pickles.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
FF.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
I'd admit I'm just a little bit confused because apparently
Buck thinks pickles are not okay on hamburgers, but somehow
pickles is okay on football players. I don't know, Like
I say, a little confused, but it's all good.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Very well played Buck, who inadvertently thought George Pickens was
George Pickles when it came to sports picks in the NFL,
Anti pickles on hamburgers, pro pickles on the football field.
That's a good callback from that listener. I will say
I got smoked in my own poll on that one
seventy five percent of people on X that they like
pickles on hamburgers. The world has gone insane. Great taste
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