September 18, 2024 • 36 mins
Second wave of Hezbollah electronic device explosions. Bill Melugin's latest reporting on the Biden-Harris border disaster. Mike Baker, former CIA covert operations officer and host of “The President’s Daily Brief” podcast, joined C&B to discuss the explosive electronic device operations conducted against Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. Who's better looking Bill Melugin or David Muir?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we have
more reports coming in of a second wave of device
explosions targeting Hezbola terrorists in Lebanon. The belief fear not
confirmed obviously, but the belief because the Israeli government will
never confirm or you know, they never confirmed nor deny
(00:22):
these kinds of operations. But that Israel or more specifically Massad,
their foreign intelligence service UH, somehow managed to get in
the supply chain. UH analysts are saying put small amounts
of explosives in pagers. Remember back in the nineties, when
you either were a doctor or a drug dealer, you
(00:43):
had a pager, right, that was the That was the joke,
at least you know, doctor or a drug dealer, But
that they got into the pagers and they created explosive devices. Clay.
The devices, it is believed, worked normally until a certain
signal or code was given and then they exploded. Initially,
(01:05):
people were saying the batteries, they just made the batteries.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No, I believe there was, which spell scary to a
lot of people because people said, why couldn't they just
blow up my iPhones? If this is somehow doable.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
A battery catches on fire and then can combust, but
it has to catch on fire first, it doesn't just ignite.
There was explosive material, it seems in these pagers and
now the second wave of explosions being reported on now
are in handheld radios walkie talkies that they were using.
So what happened here was that Hesbela operatives decided to
(01:37):
get off the cell network. And this is being tied
to a high level targeted assassination of a Hesbela leader
earlier in this year that they think again, this is
what the reports say had to He was basically tracked
by his cell phone and they managed to find out
who this guy was, where he was and then boom,
missile goes off missile scent and ends this guy. So
(02:01):
now there are these exploding pagers and they and they
have now said exploding radios as well. Thousands of injured
HESBELA agents in this A handful of civilians have also
been reportedly killed, but the number is thankfully small, although
each one of those lives lost is a tragedy. But
(02:21):
the thousands of Hesbela agents, these are combatants and they're
part of a terror group that is constantly rocketing Israel
and engaged in all kinds of uh you know, vicious
and violent terrorist action against the Jewish people. So yeah, Clay,
it's it's one of the most incredible UH operations in
(02:43):
the espionage and sabotage world that anybody has ever seen. Honestly,
it's pretty amazing that this was pulled off. I'm just
I'm speaking just purely from the technical ability side of it,
that they were able to do this. Uh So we'll
have more for you with that when our with our
friend Mike Acre, who's a former agency a CIA COVID
(03:04):
operations officer, so he'll be with us at the bottom
of the art talking about that. Clay, I want to
actually switch gears for a second here, back to the border,
which still is very much on people's minds because of
the back and forth over Haiti and the Mian I'm
sorry the Haitian migrants that are in Ohio, but there's
(03:25):
other stuff happening that people need to know about that
very much ties into the catastrophe that is the Biden
Harris border. Yesterday, Bill Malugin, Clay, who's more handsome Bill
Malugin or the David Weir guy put you on the
hot seat.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That is that is hot seat malugins younger, I think
you're yeah. I think mirrors got like fifteen years on him.
So it's hard. You know, I have to adjust age,
so like I have to project Bill jin Ford like
a decade and a half, or I have to bring
muirr back like a decade and a half. Do we
(04:05):
have the clip? But that was hysterical of Trump saying
David Muir's hair is not what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know you said about that, Yeah, we gotta find
we gotta find that.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Trump was asked, i think in his California presser about
David Muir, and he said something like, you know, his
hair's not what it was five years ago, which is
an all time line.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Malujin better looking than Muhror, both incredibly good looking men. Muhr,
by the way, has lost a million viewers on his
ABC News telecast since the debate, according to ratings data.
I saw he destroyed his brand with half the country
basically with the way that he moderated that debate. I mean,
I'm happy to see that moderates and maybe some Republicans
(04:51):
have at least learned that ABC News is propaganda. ABC
News is not a neutral just because it's been around
forever and they've got the most false randing, you know,
spend in terms of money and time and everything. For
how neutral they are. It is not neutral. It is
Democrat propaganda. But Malugin, who I think is the correct
answer Clay because he's not a Communist, so he's inherently
(05:12):
that are looking just saying I think he got a
good making communists like I mean, I think Justin Trudeau's
not bad looking. He's a communist. Maybe Fidel Castro's son,
you've seen those.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm not even pushing him down this pathway. He's just
telling us who the handsomest communists are. But I'm just saying,
but Shirtless not a bad looking guy. He's very masculine,
there's that very very high on the testosterone scale. But
you have mallusion sharing this and this is what I
was talking about last week because I have all these
(05:43):
people who are telling me. You know, I said on Twitter, guys,
you got to understand the situation of the Haitian migrants
in terms of policy is worse than anyone seems to realize,
or very few people realize, because they're actually not illegals.
And I get all these people coming at me saying no,
they are illegal, and I say no, they are not.
(06:03):
Under existing law, they are currently not illegal. They will
transfer to being illegal if they are not renewed as
Temporary Protected Status recipients, or if Trump wins and comes
in and says this is over with with a wave
of his hand. Trump can make them all deportable if
(06:23):
they receive TPS. But under the nineteen ninety Immigration Act,
congressionally pass statute and executive authority derived from it, these
are not actually illegals. Biden brought them into the country
in many cases. Now I'm speaking broadly. It's there's some
specifics here, and they are protected legally from deportation for
(06:45):
six to six months at a time or twelve months
at a time. I forget per CBP data. Malusian, writes Clay.
Nearly five hundred and thirty thousand migrants have flown into
the US, not cross the US Mexico border, and have
been paroled into the country as part of the Biden
administration's controversial mass parole program. Additionally, eight hundred and thirteen
(07:10):
thousand migrants have scheduled appointments via the CBP one app
at ports of entry to be released into the US. So, Clay,
I just think it's important everyone knows this. This is
Bill Malujin. I'm reading from his Twitter account. He does
the best reporting on the border of anybody these days
and has for a while. Over a half million migrants
(07:30):
were flown into the country by the Biden administration on
a program that's supposed to be able to be a
one off, one by one. Oh, for you, it is
necessary to give you this status because if you go
back to your home country, terrible things will happen to
you or for you because of the family unification.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's like prosecutoral discretion, right, Clay, You could just say
prosecutoral discretion. It's supposed to be case by case. But
if you say I'm not going to prosecute anybody who is,
you know, selling FENTTL in my district, well you're exceeding
your authority. But that's technically something a prosecutor is able
to do unless somebody else steps in. Biden is doing that.
(08:11):
He's abusing the law to let in five hundred and
thirty thousand, with eight hundred thousand plus waiting in the docket.
Clay think about this.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, And again, I think this goes back to if
you're out there and the border is your thing that
you care about the most, and there are a lot
of you out there listening to us right now. If
you're in Arizona, for sure, if you're in Texas, but
also there are a lot of you that feel like
you live in border states now because there's so many
illegal immigrants that have come into your communities. Kamala is
(08:42):
not going to in any way decrease the amount of
immigration into this country. She's going to do what she
did for the last three and a half years, leave
the border effectively wide open. To your point, Buck, grant
asylum status to lots of different people out there, of
a variety of different back grounds. And if you wait
three and a half more years, we don't know what
(09:03):
the real number of illegal entrants that have come into
this country just in the last three and a half years.
Is a conservative number is ten million. I think a
conservative number for what will happen if Kamala's president is
ten million more illegals will come into the country. That's
a massive number. And we've talked about on this show before. Buck,
if you had to set an over under. What do
(09:24):
you think the over under is of illegal immigrants living
in the United States right now? You think it's thirty million?
Do you think it's thirty five? Like, what would you
set a reasonable estimate at in your mind?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Thirty million? Yeah, I think it's thirty million, and I'm
not I wouldn't argue with somebody if they said twenty.
I wouldn't argue with somebody if they said forty. Right,
I would argue with somebody if they said twelve, which
has been the number. Basically, it's like eleven point eight
according to the Census Bureau. That has been the number
for a decade. And they say it's because of people.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Who are going back or which is the historic migratory
patterns where people would come in, work seasonally and go back.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Not happening anymore. Yes, that's not reality anymore. You're not
walking back to Venezuela. Yeah, I say thirty. If somebody
yells at me and says forty, I'm not going to
argue with them. Same thing with twenty. But it's definitely
not twelve because we've got ten million under Biden alone,
and I think the number, the twelve number was always low.
So the way I come to it is, I think
(10:26):
it when they've been telling us it's eleven million in change.
To me, it's been at least twenty and we've added
about ten under Biden. So that's how I get to thirty.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I think.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So that number is going to increase massively. And if
you're out there and you're saying, okay, let's say the
numbers thirty, because I think that's a reasonable estimate. Thirty
million illegals in this country right now. That's roughly eight
percent of the overall population. Think about how crazy that
is when you contemplate where we are as a nation
sitting thirty five trillion some odd dollars in debt. We're
(11:00):
then going to be carrying the weight of eight percent
of the people who are in the United States right
now are not citizens at all. And this is why
their game is so diabolical. They know it's almost impossible
to deport tens of millions of people, so their game
plan is at some point they are going to give
(11:21):
citizenship to these thirty million people, and look at where
they're resettling them. When you're talking about states being decided
by ten thousand votes twenty thousand votes on a regular basis.
What does thirty million mean? And this is also important
and I didn't even know this, buck. They get to
count for purposes of the census for house seats, which
(11:45):
means they've already stolen just by illegal immigration, somewhere north
of twenty seats because you somehow count for purposes of
allocation of the constituency even if you're not a citizen.
This magnifies dramatically California, for example, and New York's power
at the federal level based on illegals. So this is
(12:09):
a it's a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I would say to anybody who's skeptical that we can
handle the deportation operations that would be needed to turn
this around. Keep in mind that doing deportations at a
much escalated level is also important because it dramatically reduces
future illegal entry.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So you have to change the calculation, as we've discussed
many times, you have to change the value proposition of
coming here illegally, making it a higher probability of be deported.
That's point one. Point two. It has to be an
all of the above approach of the law is the law,
Meaning you're gonna have people who are deported. You're gonna
have businesses that are gonna be fined for using illegal labor.
(12:50):
You're gonna have to, you know, get local law enforcement
to be willing to play ball with federal law enforcement
on these issues. I mean, there's a whole range of
things where pressure can be applied and policies can be changed,
where you could get a dramatic, a dratic shift in
the way that illegal immigration is happening. But it's not
(13:12):
going to be a small thing. I remember there was
an operation under Eisenhower. I don't know, I don't feel
like we're not allowed to say it on the radio.
I don't know what to say. The operation had a name,
which is a derogatory term used for particularly I believe,
Mexican nationals, and the operation sent what It's true. I know,
(13:33):
I'm just laughing thinking about if we opened up phone
lines for people to guess at the name, like, how
many SCC violations would we have? Yeah, yeah, it's it's
it's it's not, it's not. It's a a term we
do not use anymore. But it was under Eisenhower. I
think they sent back a million people. But keep in
mind that was when the population of the country was
(13:53):
less than half what this is right now, right, So yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Rhymes according to Great producer Greg with setback in case
you're wondering what the what the it might have been.
But my point about just the logistics here is that
if we decided that we were going to round up
the two or three million most recent illegals into this
country again, you're not you're not being monstrous about this.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It's you tell them, look, you're not allowed to be here.
We're going to send you back to your country of origin,
or you know, maybe we could work out an agreement.
Play All these people who are transitting through Mexico to
get here, who are not from Mexico are violating protocols
of asylum unless they've stopped and asked Mexico to give
them asylum first. You're not supposed to pick and choose.
I want the richest country with the biggest welfare benefits.
(14:38):
It's supposed to be. If I can't get out of
my country, I'm not going to survive. So if they
want to go back to Mexico or they want to
go back to other countries, they transitd through, request asylum
there and play ball. Fine, But this is something that
has to be done, and Trump is saying he will
do it, So we'll see.
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David Muir tried to correct me when I said that
crime is rampant like never before. He said, don't know.
He said crime is going down. They said, where are
you coming from? And you know, you wouldn't have to
need a Bureau of Justice statistics to know that crime
is worse than it's ever been. And I guess They
probably watched the debate and they heard this, this foolish man,
(17:09):
this foolish fool take that statement to me that no,
no crime is coming down. The FBI said it was
coming down. The FBI defrauded everybody because what they did
is they used statistics not including some of the worst
areas and some of the worst cities. So the real
numbers are from the Bureau of Justice to posts and
they just released it. So I think they probably liked
(17:30):
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three thousand. Welcome back in our friend. Mike Baker joins
my brother from the agency, mister Mike Baker. He is
(19:04):
the host of the p d B podcast. As in
My Presidential Daily Brief and Mike, appreciate you making the
time for us. Congrats and all the success of of
the PDB podcast, and I've you know, look, you and
I are familiar in a whole range of ways, whether
historically or from our time in with UH espionage and
(19:27):
sabotage operations around the world. Right, I mean, this is
neither of us have ever seen, I would assume anything
like this. I mean this is a first What do
you think about what Israel has pulled off here? Well,
I mean look at it.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
First of all, it's you know, setting aside. I'm sure
what's going to be lots of international condemnations you know
about Oh my god, this is you know.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Asymmetric warfare.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
How dare you step outside the norms of you know,
traditional warfare conduct. You know, from an operational perspective, it's
it's very sophisticated, very impressive, U regardless of who did it.
I mean again, you always kepped a coveat this by saying, look,
Israel has you know, provided no comment.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, they neither confirm nor deny. But you know they
also say they don't have nukes.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean right, yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
But from a from a sophistication standpoint. Look, you will
imagine what is involved here and actually sourcing the contacts
who can get you access to the communications gear, both
the pages and the handheld radios. You know, it was
a far heavier lift than just the mechanics of installing
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the explosives and you know, creating the triggering mechanism for
remote operations. So you know, the the work that went
up to that point where they actually had access to
the gear is extremely impressive. They've they've done similar operations
like this in the past.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
They I think it.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Was twenty twenty when they remotely.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Took out an Iranian scientist.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
And you know, there's been other situations you can even
go back to in a sense, you could go back
to stucks Net, although that was more of a cyber weapon,
but there was still sort of an element of physical
access there that was required. But yeah, this is this
is an impressive operation, that's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
If you are Hesboa, and let's pretend that you are
on their communications team, which I would imagine is in
a rough spot right now. You've just had the pagers,
You now have had effectively the walkie talkies. How in
the world are they communicating right now are they back
(21:39):
to carrier pigeons, Can they trust them? Is it just
straight messengers? And more importantly, how much do you think
it creates a massive communication issue for them in terms
of just their ability to respond.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, it creates the real logistics issue for them.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I think, you know, first and foremost, there's an element
here that they're trying to create paranoia. And that's a
good thing when you're dealing with a terrorist organization, or
you're dealing with a group that you're targeting, you know,
go back to the days of the ira or you know,
current times of cartels, whomever it is. You're trying to
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create an element of fear that they don't know who
they can trust within their own organization at that point,
and the Iranian regime has felt that recently, right with
with some of the operations that have taken place inside Tehran.
So that I think is a really important component of
all of this from you know, from just a strict
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communications standpoint.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Look, they're the irony here.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
You know, it's not to make light of this, but
the irony is that they were able to target these
devices because over the past several months, has a lot
decided they needed to dumb down their communications approach, so
they put out command you know, most of the fighters,
the officials of the leadership groups stopped using cell phones
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because they started to get indications that those were corrupted
by the Israeli services, and so they went to dumb
down this and that's why they were going to pages,
which they've used in the past, but they started to
use them more handheld radios for more communication, to try
to make things more secure. So where do they go
from here? Look, I mean your next step is kind
(23:25):
of what Al Qaeda used to do when they were
really dumbing things down, and it was handwritten notes and personal,
you know, face to face communication between you know, okay,
you're my cousin, I can trust you and they and
so it slows things down immeasurably.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So when you look at this, what happens next? And
wouldn't you imagine in addition to the communications issues, it's
not only what's going on with Heswalad. Wouldn't you imagine
that Hamas is looking around pretty nervous. We know that
Israel has been very effective at trying to slow down
Iran's pursuit of a of a nuclear weapon. What do
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you think those entities are doing, are they? I would
be honest if I were them, I'd be like, all
of our pagers are out, like, let's get rid of everything,
because if they did this to them, we got to
source everything and redo our entire communication strategy. Doesn't don't
you think this likely likely extends beyond Hesbola and everybody
who is in a foe of Israel right now is
(24:24):
basically re constituting their entire communication networks as well.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought up Iran right because
this is a top down structure and Iran is the
puppet master here and they've created this, this ring, this
network of terror properties and they all share the same
often stated objective of Iran, which is to remove Israel
from the map. So yes, there is I guarantee you
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right now there is coordination going on between the IRGC
liaison that deal with Kamas and Hesbela, the Huti's, some
of the militias that are sitting in Rock Aslam as Jihad,
and they are looking at you know, how they're going
to handle their communications because it doesn't just impact as
you pointed out, it doesn't just impact Tesbola. They're all
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backed finance trained resource by the same uh you know
a group which is the Iranian regime and the IRGC.
So yeah, this is a this is a big issue
for them obviously. Now they've got to figure out, you know,
how do they go from here? And and again I
go back to the same point, which is part of
this operation is undoubtedly designed to create this paranoia within
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these organizations, and that can sometimes create other opportunities. It
creates movement, It creates shifts in protocols and planning and
strategy and resources, and so those also open up operational
opportunities to take advantage and identify and target individuals and
elements of these organizations.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's been a Mike Baker PDBS this podcast, which you
can listen wherever you get your podcast. Let's do a
great guy who brings real expertise and time not just
in the agency, but in the scary places doing the
real work to bear on what he's talking about day
in and day out. And Mike, I'm just wondering, I
don't know. You don't have to confirm or deny if
(26:15):
you've been talking to Trump or anybody in his orbit
recently about anything, but if you were going to advise
who will be our hopefully next president of the United
States on the way to handle this aspect of Midi's policies. Specifically,
this Israel Hamas has bull a situation Iran in the background,
and there's this sense that, oh my gosh, it could escalate,
(26:37):
It could escalate at any time more than it already has.
What would you tell the next potus? What would you
tell President Trump if he said, Mike, what do I
do to get things squirret away?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Well, first, they've got to jelf the idea of appeasement
with Iran, with its Irunian regime.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'm not talking about the population, of course or whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
A lot of the population would love to see the
Iranian regime go, as well as with Sociaudis and the
Jordanians and a variety of other players in that region.
But I would say, you've got to get rid of
this concept of appeasement and somehow they're going to join
the Community of Nations. This regime in the IRGC, which
is an extremely influential element of the Iranian government, they've
(27:18):
got their hands in everything, and we've got to go
back to maximum sanctions. We've done it before, right, you
have to literally starve the regime out right, and does that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Create hardships for the people.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
It does, But longer term, does that create opportunity for
a better life for those people by you know, eventually,
at some point this regime gets pushed aside, hopefully internally.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
You know, the population finally has had enough. So I
think you've got to go.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Back to maximum sanctions. And I think we also, you
know that whoever is in charge next, he needs to
understand the danger involved in the deepening relationship between Russia
and Iran, because the Iranians aren't providing munitions and drones
and and other hardware to the Russian Ukrainian war effort
pro bono. They're not doing it out of the goodness
(28:06):
of their hearts. They're doing it for a reason, and
that reason primarily is technology transfer, weapons transfer, and the
nuclear and even space technologies areas. So that is a
very dangerous thing because that accelerates the Iranian regime's efforts.
And no matter what they're saying, the amounts of admigedery
ranium that they're currently sitting on, there's just no civilian
(28:29):
purpose for that. So they are moving towards their end goal,
which is a weapons program and that has got to
be stopped. And there's a lot of players in the
region again who would like to see that happen as well.
They understand that most of the chaos and instability in
the region is a result.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Of this current Iranian regime and the IRGC forty some
odd days until our election. Here the one year anniversary
coming up of the October seventh Tamas attack. What kind
of magnificant odds or analysis would you would you put
on the table here that the Middle East could become
(29:07):
the October surprise or a major flashpoint in terms of
its ability to impact in some way what's going to
be a close American presidential election. Do you think the
sides are quiet ish down the stretch or do you
think this remains a major geopolitical focus that could impact
our election as well.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I think, you know, breaking it out into little bits
and pieces, like the Iranian regime, will you know, given
their druthers, will not do anything that could result in
a Trump victory.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
They would rather Iran would like Kamala to be in office.
That's fair to say. Israel would like Trump. Would you
say that's the general consensus in the Middle East?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, that's the general. That's the general feeling, right.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
And so you know, if you if you if you
take that to a somewhat logical course, not to say
that the Iranians are on a logic train, but if
you did do that, then you would say, Okay, they
won't do anything drastic between now and the election that
could shift things to cause American voters think, you know what, Actually,
(30:16):
the Iranians are the key to the problems here and
we need somebody strong.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
To deal with them.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
And oh, look, we've got a track record of the
former president dealing with them in a more forceful, aggressive way.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
We've got almost.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Four years of the Harris Biden administration appeasing them. So
I think they'll they'll be mindful of that. But look,
this problem, we just keep kicking the can down the road.
Every time Anthony blaken or anyone on the US side
talks about, well, we just have to have this ceasefire
in Gaza in order to have peace.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That's that's nonsense.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
You're putting lift stick on a pig, because nothing's ever
going to change in that region as long as the regime,
the Irra audience and their proxies that they've built have
the same end goal, which is the destruction of Israel.
So that's the problem that has to be dealt with
at the top. You know, just occasional you know, flare
ups and then a ceasefire that has blow a ceasefire
(31:09):
with with Kamas, good Goud, we'll be talking about this,
or grandkids will be talking about this.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Appreciate the time. Fantastic analysis. He is Mike Baker. We'll
talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Take care of guys, take care of but.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
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Speaker 2 (32:46):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Several different
things going on are thanks to Mike Baker for breaking
down that situation in Israel. I'm gonna be over in Israel.
The plan is in December, as long as flights are
still allowed to go there. We're supposed to be there
in August, but all the error travel got shut down.
(33:06):
Senator Ron Johnson up in the good State of Wisconsin
is going to join us at the top of the
next hour, and then we're also going to talk to
Ned Ryan. We got a couple of guests that are
coming up in the third hour here, but Buck, we're
being deluged with emails about Bill Malugen, who we need
to get on the show at some point, and not
(33:28):
just because he's incredibly good looking, and also David Muir.
Mary wrote into me, Clay, Buck, what's your infatuation with him? Clay,
he looks like John Kerrey, looks like he could be
a son fifteen inches between the top of his forehead
in the middle of his chin. Whenever he interviews or presents,
he sounds cranky and depressed, like a mini John Kerry.
(33:49):
Mary's not happy how many think he's a good looking guy.
I think you know.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm sorry you.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Got an email that this is not helping the One
of the greatest insults that's ever been levied against the show.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Clay cannot tell a lie when it comes to another
handsome guy. We have Arthur writing in on X to
us guys talking about how handsome dudes are is not
good for the gay Travis and Cuck Sexton nicknames, and
to this, I just say, you know, I mean, we're
just talking, just two guys talking about things I don't know.
(34:22):
You know, sometimes stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
For people who missed. I think the funniest email that's
ever been sent into the show was a guy insulting
us by saying Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show more
like gay Travis and Cuck Sexton show, which I gotta
be honest. I mean I read it and I couldn't
stop laughing about it. My thing is, if you are
a guy who pretends that you can't tell if another
(34:47):
man is good looking or not, I think you're trying
too hard. I think you're trying to pretend that you
don't actually notice it.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Bilbil.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
We cover a lot of ground here on the show play,
and then it ago we're talking about how to get
Mid East peace going with you know, decades long CIA veteran.
You got another CIA you know, former officer here, and
now we're talking about whether it's okay to talk about
how handsome Bill Malugin is. So I'm just you know,
our friends who listen over at Fox News must be like, Wow,
(35:16):
they must really like Bill Mallugit.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Our good friend producer Greg actually did a tale of
the tape research here. Bill Belugin thirty three David Muir
fifty one. I mean that's a generational divide again. I
think you have to kind of meld them. You have
to raise Bill ten, decline David Muir ten, and then
you assess them at the age of forty to find
(35:38):
out who's more handsome. I've said before, I think Bill
Malugin is the best looking person on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
No insult. All right, now, we're going too long on
this now, No insult.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
No insult to Tommy Larin, no insult to to to.
I don't know all the limit, but no, I'm just saying,
there are a lot of good looking women on Fox News.
I think Bill Malugan is better looking as a man
than they are for a woman. And there there's no
insult there. I'm just saying he's a very handsome man.
(36:11):
So's David Muir. I wish he was better at moderating.
I wish he could trade some of his handsomeness. I'll
take it, I need it, and he could instead be
better at moderating. I think I would have been a
better moderator, but he's a better looking man.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Up.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
In a minute, we're gonna talk about how to save
the country and this election, and do you think do
you think Ron Johnson has a strong take on which
man's better looking? Ron listens, I think Ron john about
the economy on the border first. Can we just agree
with that before we ask him who's handsomer Clay?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I think Ron might not want to answer the question
because it's hard, it's a hard choice.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
When we come back, we'll go up to Wisconsin Ron
Johnson see if he's recovered from the performance of the
Wisconsin Badgers against Alabama. And then also our good buddy
Ned Ryan. That's the thought Final Hour program today.
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we have
more reports coming in of a second wave of device
explosions targeting Hezbola terrorists in Lebanon. The belief fear not
confirmed obviously, but the belief because the Israeli government will
never confirm or you know, they never confirmed nor deny
(00:22):
these kinds of operations. But that Israel or more specifically Massad,
their foreign intelligence service UH, somehow managed to get in
the supply chain. UH analysts are saying put small amounts
of explosives in pagers. Remember back in the nineties, when
you either were a doctor or a drug dealer, you
(00:43):
had a pager, right, that was the That was the joke,
at least you know, doctor or a drug dealer, But
that they got into the pagers and they created explosive devices. Clay.
The devices, it is believed, worked normally until a certain
signal or code was given and then they exploded. Initially,
(01:05):
people were saying the batteries, they just made the batteries.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No, I believe there was, which spell scary to a
lot of people because people said, why couldn't they just
blow up my iPhones? If this is somehow doable.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
A battery catches on fire and then can combust, but
it has to catch on fire first, it doesn't just ignite.
There was explosive material, it seems in these pagers and
now the second wave of explosions being reported on now
are in handheld radios walkie talkies that they were using.
So what happened here was that Hesbela operatives decided to
(01:37):
get off the cell network. And this is being tied
to a high level targeted assassination of a Hesbela leader
earlier in this year that they think again, this is
what the reports say had to He was basically tracked
by his cell phone and they managed to find out
who this guy was, where he was and then boom,
missile goes off missile scent and ends this guy. So
(02:01):
now there are these exploding pagers and they and they
have now said exploding radios as well. Thousands of injured
HESBELA agents in this A handful of civilians have also
been reportedly killed, but the number is thankfully small, although
each one of those lives lost is a tragedy. But
(02:21):
the thousands of Hesbela agents, these are combatants and they're
part of a terror group that is constantly rocketing Israel
and engaged in all kinds of uh you know, vicious
and violent terrorist action against the Jewish people. So yeah, Clay,
it's it's one of the most incredible UH operations in
(02:43):
the espionage and sabotage world that anybody has ever seen. Honestly,
it's pretty amazing that this was pulled off. I'm just
I'm speaking just purely from the technical ability side of it,
that they were able to do this. Uh So we'll
have more for you with that when our with our
friend Mike Acre, who's a former agency a CIA COVID
(03:04):
operations officer, so he'll be with us at the bottom
of the art talking about that. Clay, I want to
actually switch gears for a second here, back to the border,
which still is very much on people's minds because of
the back and forth over Haiti and the Mian I'm
sorry the Haitian migrants that are in Ohio, but there's
(03:25):
other stuff happening that people need to know about that
very much ties into the catastrophe that is the Biden
Harris border. Yesterday, Bill Malugin, Clay, who's more handsome Bill
Malugin or the David Weir guy put you on the
hot seat.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That is that is hot seat malugins younger, I think
you're yeah. I think mirrors got like fifteen years on him.
So it's hard. You know, I have to adjust age,
so like I have to project Bill jin Ford like
a decade and a half, or I have to bring
muirr back like a decade and a half. Do we
(04:05):
have the clip? But that was hysterical of Trump saying
David Muir's hair is not what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know you said about that, Yeah, we gotta find
we gotta find that.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Trump was asked, i think in his California presser about
David Muir, and he said something like, you know, his
hair's not what it was five years ago, which is
an all time line.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Malujin better looking than Muhror, both incredibly good looking men. Muhr,
by the way, has lost a million viewers on his
ABC News telecast since the debate, according to ratings data.
I saw he destroyed his brand with half the country
basically with the way that he moderated that debate. I mean,
I'm happy to see that moderates and maybe some Republicans
(04:51):
have at least learned that ABC News is propaganda. ABC
News is not a neutral just because it's been around
forever and they've got the most false randing, you know,
spend in terms of money and time and everything. For
how neutral they are. It is not neutral. It is
Democrat propaganda. But Malugin, who I think is the correct
answer Clay because he's not a Communist, so he's inherently
(05:12):
that are looking just saying I think he got a
good making communists like I mean, I think Justin Trudeau's
not bad looking. He's a communist. Maybe Fidel Castro's son,
you've seen those.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm not even pushing him down this pathway. He's just
telling us who the handsomest communists are. But I'm just saying,
but Shirtless not a bad looking guy. He's very masculine,
there's that very very high on the testosterone scale. But
you have mallusion sharing this and this is what I
was talking about last week because I have all these
(05:43):
people who are telling me. You know, I said on Twitter, guys,
you got to understand the situation of the Haitian migrants
in terms of policy is worse than anyone seems to realize,
or very few people realize, because they're actually not illegals.
And I get all these people coming at me saying no,
they are illegal, and I say no, they are not.
(06:03):
Under existing law, they are currently not illegal. They will
transfer to being illegal if they are not renewed as
Temporary Protected Status recipients, or if Trump wins and comes
in and says this is over with with a wave
of his hand. Trump can make them all deportable if
(06:23):
they receive TPS. But under the nineteen ninety Immigration Act,
congressionally pass statute and executive authority derived from it, these
are not actually illegals. Biden brought them into the country
in many cases. Now I'm speaking broadly. It's there's some
specifics here, and they are protected legally from deportation for
(06:45):
six to six months at a time or twelve months
at a time. I forget per CBP data. Malusian, writes Clay.
Nearly five hundred and thirty thousand migrants have flown into
the US, not cross the US Mexico border, and have
been paroled into the country as part of the Biden
administration's controversial mass parole program. Additionally, eight hundred and thirteen
(07:10):
thousand migrants have scheduled appointments via the CBP one app
at ports of entry to be released into the US. So, Clay,
I just think it's important everyone knows this. This is
Bill Malujin. I'm reading from his Twitter account. He does
the best reporting on the border of anybody these days
and has for a while. Over a half million migrants
(07:30):
were flown into the country by the Biden administration on
a program that's supposed to be able to be a
one off, one by one. Oh, for you, it is
necessary to give you this status because if you go
back to your home country, terrible things will happen to
you or for you because of the family unification.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's like prosecutoral discretion, right, Clay, You could just say
prosecutoral discretion. It's supposed to be case by case. But
if you say I'm not going to prosecute anybody who is,
you know, selling FENTTL in my district, well you're exceeding
your authority. But that's technically something a prosecutor is able
to do unless somebody else steps in. Biden is doing that.
(08:11):
He's abusing the law to let in five hundred and
thirty thousand, with eight hundred thousand plus waiting in the docket.
Clay think about this.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, And again, I think this goes back to if
you're out there and the border is your thing that
you care about the most, and there are a lot
of you out there listening to us right now. If
you're in Arizona, for sure, if you're in Texas, but
also there are a lot of you that feel like
you live in border states now because there's so many
illegal immigrants that have come into your communities. Kamala is
(08:42):
not going to in any way decrease the amount of
immigration into this country. She's going to do what she
did for the last three and a half years, leave
the border effectively wide open. To your point, Buck, grant
asylum status to lots of different people out there, of
a variety of different back grounds. And if you wait
three and a half more years, we don't know what
(09:03):
the real number of illegal entrants that have come into
this country just in the last three and a half years.
Is a conservative number is ten million. I think a
conservative number for what will happen if Kamala's president is
ten million more illegals will come into the country. That's
a massive number. And we've talked about on this show before. Buck,
if you had to set an over under. What do
(09:24):
you think the over under is of illegal immigrants living
in the United States right now? You think it's thirty million?
Do you think it's thirty five? Like, what would you
set a reasonable estimate at in your mind?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Thirty million? Yeah, I think it's thirty million, and I'm
not I wouldn't argue with somebody if they said twenty.
I wouldn't argue with somebody if they said forty. Right,
I would argue with somebody if they said twelve, which
has been the number. Basically, it's like eleven point eight
according to the Census Bureau. That has been the number
for a decade. And they say it's because of people.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Who are going back or which is the historic migratory
patterns where people would come in, work seasonally and go back.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Not happening anymore. Yes, that's not reality anymore. You're not
walking back to Venezuela. Yeah, I say thirty. If somebody
yells at me and says forty, I'm not going to
argue with them. Same thing with twenty. But it's definitely
not twelve because we've got ten million under Biden alone,
and I think the number, the twelve number was always low.
So the way I come to it is, I think
(10:26):
it when they've been telling us it's eleven million in change.
To me, it's been at least twenty and we've added
about ten under Biden. So that's how I get to thirty.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I think.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So that number is going to increase massively. And if
you're out there and you're saying, okay, let's say the
numbers thirty, because I think that's a reasonable estimate. Thirty
million illegals in this country right now. That's roughly eight
percent of the overall population. Think about how crazy that
is when you contemplate where we are as a nation
sitting thirty five trillion some odd dollars in debt. We're
(11:00):
then going to be carrying the weight of eight percent
of the people who are in the United States right
now are not citizens at all. And this is why
their game is so diabolical. They know it's almost impossible
to deport tens of millions of people, so their game
plan is at some point they are going to give
(11:21):
citizenship to these thirty million people, and look at where
they're resettling them. When you're talking about states being decided
by ten thousand votes twenty thousand votes on a regular basis.
What does thirty million mean? And this is also important
and I didn't even know this, buck. They get to
count for purposes of the census for house seats, which
(11:45):
means they've already stolen just by illegal immigration, somewhere north
of twenty seats because you somehow count for purposes of
allocation of the constituency even if you're not a citizen.
This magnifies dramatically California, for example, and New York's power
at the federal level based on illegals. So this is
(12:09):
a it's a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I would say to anybody who's skeptical that we can
handle the deportation operations that would be needed to turn
this around. Keep in mind that doing deportations at a
much escalated level is also important because it dramatically reduces
future illegal entry.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So you have to change the calculation, as we've discussed
many times, you have to change the value proposition of
coming here illegally, making it a higher probability of be deported.
That's point one. Point two. It has to be an
all of the above approach of the law is the law,
Meaning you're gonna have people who are deported. You're gonna
have businesses that are gonna be fined for using illegal labor.
(12:50):
You're gonna have to, you know, get local law enforcement
to be willing to play ball with federal law enforcement
on these issues. I mean, there's a whole range of
things where pressure can be applied and policies can be changed,
where you could get a dramatic, a dratic shift in
the way that illegal immigration is happening. But it's not
(13:12):
going to be a small thing. I remember there was
an operation under Eisenhower. I don't know, I don't feel
like we're not allowed to say it on the radio.
I don't know what to say. The operation had a name,
which is a derogatory term used for particularly I believe,
Mexican nationals, and the operation sent what It's true. I know,
(13:33):
I'm just laughing thinking about if we opened up phone
lines for people to guess at the name, like, how
many SCC violations would we have? Yeah, yeah, it's it's
it's it's not, it's not. It's a a term we
do not use anymore. But it was under Eisenhower. I
think they sent back a million people. But keep in
mind that was when the population of the country was
(13:53):
less than half what this is right now, right, So yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Rhymes according to Great producer Greg with setback in case
you're wondering what the what the it might have been.
But my point about just the logistics here is that
if we decided that we were going to round up
the two or three million most recent illegals into this
country again, you're not you're not being monstrous about this.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It's you tell them, look, you're not allowed to be here.
We're going to send you back to your country of origin,
or you know, maybe we could work out an agreement.
Play All these people who are transitting through Mexico to
get here, who are not from Mexico are violating protocols
of asylum unless they've stopped and asked Mexico to give
them asylum first. You're not supposed to pick and choose.
I want the richest country with the biggest welfare benefits.
(14:38):
It's supposed to be. If I can't get out of
my country, I'm not going to survive. So if they
want to go back to Mexico or they want to
go back to other countries, they transitd through, request asylum
there and play ball. Fine, But this is something that
has to be done, and Trump is saying he will
do it, So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
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There's no there's no like we came within a foot
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David Muir tried to correct me when I said that
crime is rampant like never before. He said, don't know.
He said crime is going down. They said, where are
you coming from? And you know, you wouldn't have to
need a Bureau of Justice statistics to know that crime
is worse than it's ever been. And I guess They
probably watched the debate and they heard this, this foolish man,
(17:09):
this foolish fool take that statement to me that no,
no crime is coming down. The FBI said it was
coming down. The FBI defrauded everybody because what they did
is they used statistics not including some of the worst
areas and some of the worst cities. So the real
numbers are from the Bureau of Justice to posts and
they just released it. So I think they probably liked
(17:30):
me because they wanted to defend me from people that
are not smart. Guy who has good hair, but not
as good as it was five years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Just what you hear that. First of all, he's right
on the facts, which I think is important on the
crime issue, but he just throws it in the at
the end. The hair is not as good as it
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three thousand. Welcome back in our friend. Mike Baker joins
my brother from the agency, mister Mike Baker. He is
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the host of the p d B podcast. As in
My Presidential Daily Brief and Mike, appreciate you making the
time for us. Congrats and all the success of of
the PDB podcast, and I've you know, look, you and
I are familiar in a whole range of ways, whether
historically or from our time in with UH espionage and
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sabotage operations around the world. Right, I mean, this is
neither of us have ever seen, I would assume anything
like this. I mean this is a first What do
you think about what Israel has pulled off here? Well,
I mean look at it.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
First of all, it's you know, setting aside. I'm sure
what's going to be lots of international condemnations you know
about Oh my god, this is you know.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Asymmetric warfare.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
How dare you step outside the norms of you know,
traditional warfare conduct. You know, from an operational perspective, it's
it's very sophisticated, very impressive, U regardless of who did it.
I mean again, you always kepped a coveat this by saying, look,
Israel has you know, provided no comment.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, they neither confirm nor deny. But you know they
also say they don't have nukes.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean right, yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
But from a from a sophistication standpoint. Look, you will
imagine what is involved here and actually sourcing the contacts
who can get you access to the communications gear, both
the pages and the handheld radios. You know, it was
a far heavier lift than just the mechanics of installing
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the explosives and you know, creating the triggering mechanism for
remote operations. So you know, the the work that went
up to that point where they actually had access to
the gear is extremely impressive. They've they've done similar operations
like this in the past.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
They I think it.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Was twenty twenty when they remotely.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Took out an Iranian scientist.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
And you know, there's been other situations you can even
go back to in a sense, you could go back
to stucks Net, although that was more of a cyber weapon,
but there was still sort of an element of physical
access there that was required. But yeah, this is this
is an impressive operation, that's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
If you are Hesboa, and let's pretend that you are
on their communications team, which I would imagine is in
a rough spot right now. You've just had the pagers,
You now have had effectively the walkie talkies. How in
the world are they communicating right now are they back
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to carrier pigeons, Can they trust them? Is it just
straight messengers? And more importantly, how much do you think
it creates a massive communication issue for them in terms
of just their ability to respond.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, it creates the real logistics issue for them.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I think, you know, first and foremost, there's an element
here that they're trying to create paranoia. And that's a
good thing when you're dealing with a terrorist organization, or
you're dealing with a group that you're targeting, you know,
go back to the days of the ira or you know,
current times of cartels, whomever it is. You're trying to
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create an element of fear that they don't know who
they can trust within their own organization at that point,
and the Iranian regime has felt that recently, right with
with some of the operations that have taken place inside Tehran.
So that I think is a really important component of
all of this from you know, from just a strict
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communications standpoint.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Look, they're the irony here.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
You know, it's not to make light of this, but
the irony is that they were able to target these
devices because over the past several months, has a lot
decided they needed to dumb down their communications approach, so
they put out command you know, most of the fighters,
the officials of the leadership groups stopped using cell phones
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because they started to get indications that those were corrupted
by the Israeli services, and so they went to dumb
down this and that's why they were going to pages,
which they've used in the past, but they started to
use them more handheld radios for more communication, to try
to make things more secure. So where do they go
from here? Look, I mean your next step is kind
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of what Al Qaeda used to do when they were
really dumbing things down, and it was handwritten notes and personal,
you know, face to face communication between you know, okay,
you're my cousin, I can trust you and they and
so it slows things down immeasurably.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So when you look at this, what happens next? And
wouldn't you imagine in addition to the communications issues, it's
not only what's going on with Heswalad. Wouldn't you imagine
that Hamas is looking around pretty nervous. We know that
Israel has been very effective at trying to slow down
Iran's pursuit of a of a nuclear weapon. What do
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you think those entities are doing, are they? I would
be honest if I were them, I'd be like, all
of our pagers are out, like, let's get rid of everything,
because if they did this to them, we got to
source everything and redo our entire communication strategy. Doesn't don't
you think this likely likely extends beyond Hesbola and everybody
who is in a foe of Israel right now is
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basically re constituting their entire communication networks as well.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought up Iran right because
this is a top down structure and Iran is the
puppet master here and they've created this, this ring, this
network of terror properties and they all share the same
often stated objective of Iran, which is to remove Israel
from the map. So yes, there is I guarantee you
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right now there is coordination going on between the IRGC
liaison that deal with Kamas and Hesbela, the Huti's, some
of the militias that are sitting in Rock Aslam as Jihad,
and they are looking at you know, how they're going
to handle their communications because it doesn't just impact as
you pointed out, it doesn't just impact Tesbola. They're all
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backed finance trained resource by the same uh you know
a group which is the Iranian regime and the IRGC.
So yeah, this is a this is a big issue
for them obviously. Now they've got to figure out, you know,
how do they go from here? And and again I
go back to the same point, which is part of
this operation is undoubtedly designed to create this paranoia within
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these organizations, and that can sometimes create other opportunities. It
creates movement, It creates shifts in protocols and planning and
strategy and resources, and so those also open up operational
opportunities to take advantage and identify and target individuals and
elements of these organizations.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's been a Mike Baker PDBS this podcast, which you
can listen wherever you get your podcast. Let's do a
great guy who brings real expertise and time not just
in the agency, but in the scary places doing the
real work to bear on what he's talking about day
in and day out. And Mike, I'm just wondering, I
don't know. You don't have to confirm or deny if
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you've been talking to Trump or anybody in his orbit
recently about anything, but if you were going to advise
who will be our hopefully next president of the United
States on the way to handle this aspect of Midi's policies. Specifically,
this Israel Hamas has bull a situation Iran in the background,
and there's this sense that, oh my gosh, it could escalate,
(26:37):
It could escalate at any time more than it already has.
What would you tell the next potus? What would you
tell President Trump if he said, Mike, what do I
do to get things squirret away?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Well, first, they've got to jelf the idea of appeasement
with Iran, with its Irunian regime.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'm not talking about the population, of course or whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
A lot of the population would love to see the
Iranian regime go, as well as with Sociaudis and the
Jordanians and a variety of other players in that region.
But I would say, you've got to get rid of
this concept of appeasement and somehow they're going to join
the Community of Nations. This regime in the IRGC, which
is an extremely influential element of the Iranian government, they've
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got their hands in everything, and we've got to go
back to maximum sanctions. We've done it before, right, you
have to literally starve the regime out right, and does that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Create hardships for the people.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
It does, But longer term, does that create opportunity for
a better life for those people by you know, eventually,
at some point this regime gets pushed aside, hopefully internally.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
You know, the population finally has had enough. So I
think you've got to go.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Back to maximum sanctions. And I think we also, you
know that whoever is in charge next, he needs to
understand the danger involved in the deepening relationship between Russia
and Iran, because the Iranians aren't providing munitions and drones
and and other hardware to the Russian Ukrainian war effort
pro bono. They're not doing it out of the goodness
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of their hearts. They're doing it for a reason, and
that reason primarily is technology transfer, weapons transfer, and the
nuclear and even space technologies areas. So that is a
very dangerous thing because that accelerates the Iranian regime's efforts.
And no matter what they're saying, the amounts of admigedery
ranium that they're currently sitting on, there's just no civilian
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purpose for that. So they are moving towards their end goal,
which is a weapons program and that has got to
be stopped. And there's a lot of players in the
region again who would like to see that happen as well.
They understand that most of the chaos and instability in
the region is a result.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Of this current Iranian regime and the IRGC forty some
odd days until our election. Here the one year anniversary
coming up of the October seventh Tamas attack. What kind
of magnificant odds or analysis would you would you put
on the table here that the Middle East could become
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the October surprise or a major flashpoint in terms of
its ability to impact in some way what's going to
be a close American presidential election. Do you think the
sides are quiet ish down the stretch or do you
think this remains a major geopolitical focus that could impact
our election as well.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I think, you know, breaking it out into little bits
and pieces, like the Iranian regime, will you know, given
their druthers, will not do anything that could result in
a Trump victory.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
They would rather Iran would like Kamala to be in office.
That's fair to say. Israel would like Trump. Would you
say that's the general consensus in the Middle East?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, that's the general. That's the general feeling, right.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
And so you know, if you if you if you
take that to a somewhat logical course, not to say
that the Iranians are on a logic train, but if
you did do that, then you would say, Okay, they
won't do anything drastic between now and the election that
could shift things to cause American voters think, you know what, Actually,
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the Iranians are the key to the problems here and
we need somebody strong.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
To deal with them.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
And oh, look, we've got a track record of the
former president dealing with them in a more forceful, aggressive way.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
We've got almost.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Four years of the Harris Biden administration appeasing them. So
I think they'll they'll be mindful of that. But look,
this problem, we just keep kicking the can down the road.
Every time Anthony blaken or anyone on the US side
talks about, well, we just have to have this ceasefire
in Gaza in order to have peace.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That's that's nonsense.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
You're putting lift stick on a pig, because nothing's ever
going to change in that region as long as the regime,
the Irra audience and their proxies that they've built have
the same end goal, which is the destruction of Israel.
So that's the problem that has to be dealt with
at the top. You know, just occasional you know, flare
ups and then a ceasefire that has blow a ceasefire
(31:09):
with with Kamas, good Goud, we'll be talking about this,
or grandkids will be talking about this.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Appreciate the time. Fantastic analysis. He is Mike Baker. We'll
talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Take care of guys, take care of but.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
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of some type. You just heard us talking about what
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year ago now, when their country was attacked by Hamas terrorists.
The fear of the next attack understandable. We don't know
how it will arrive, but we know that it is
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Speaker 2 (32:46):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Several different
things going on are thanks to Mike Baker for breaking
down that situation in Israel. I'm gonna be over in Israel.
The plan is in December, as long as flights are
still allowed to go there. We're supposed to be there
in August, but all the error travel got shut down.
(33:06):
Senator Ron Johnson up in the good State of Wisconsin
is going to join us at the top of the
next hour, and then we're also going to talk to
Ned Ryan. We got a couple of guests that are
coming up in the third hour here, but Buck, we're
being deluged with emails about Bill Malugen, who we need
to get on the show at some point, and not
(33:28):
just because he's incredibly good looking, and also David Muir.
Mary wrote into me, Clay, Buck, what's your infatuation with him? Clay,
he looks like John Kerrey, looks like he could be
a son fifteen inches between the top of his forehead
in the middle of his chin. Whenever he interviews or presents,
he sounds cranky and depressed, like a mini John Kerry.
(33:49):
Mary's not happy how many think he's a good looking guy.
I think you know.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm sorry you.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Got an email that this is not helping the One
of the greatest insults that's ever been levied against the show.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Clay cannot tell a lie when it comes to another
handsome guy. We have Arthur writing in on X to
us guys talking about how handsome dudes are is not
good for the gay Travis and Cuck Sexton nicknames, and
to this, I just say, you know, I mean, we're
just talking, just two guys talking about things I don't know.
(34:22):
You know, sometimes stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
For people who missed. I think the funniest email that's
ever been sent into the show was a guy insulting
us by saying Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show more
like gay Travis and Cuck Sexton show, which I gotta
be honest. I mean I read it and I couldn't
stop laughing about it. My thing is, if you are
a guy who pretends that you can't tell if another
(34:47):
man is good looking or not, I think you're trying
too hard. I think you're trying to pretend that you
don't actually notice it.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Bilbil.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
We cover a lot of ground here on the show play,
and then it ago we're talking about how to get
Mid East peace going with you know, decades long CIA veteran.
You got another CIA you know, former officer here, and
now we're talking about whether it's okay to talk about
how handsome Bill Malugin is. So I'm just you know,
our friends who listen over at Fox News must be like, Wow,
(35:16):
they must really like Bill Mallugit.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Our good friend producer Greg actually did a tale of
the tape research here. Bill Belugin thirty three David Muir
fifty one. I mean that's a generational divide again. I
think you have to kind of meld them. You have
to raise Bill ten, decline David Muir ten, and then
you assess them at the age of forty to find
(35:38):
out who's more handsome. I've said before, I think Bill
Malugin is the best looking person on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
No insult. All right, now, we're going too long on
this now, No insult.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
No insult to Tommy Larin, no insult to to to.
I don't know all the limit, but no, I'm just saying,
there are a lot of good looking women on Fox News.
I think Bill Malugan is better looking as a man
than they are for a woman. And there there's no
insult there. I'm just saying he's a very handsome man.
(36:11):
So's David Muir. I wish he was better at moderating.
I wish he could trade some of his handsomeness. I'll
take it, I need it, and he could instead be
better at moderating. I think I would have been a
better moderator, but he's a better looking man.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Up.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
In a minute, we're gonna talk about how to save
the country and this election, and do you think do
you think Ron Johnson has a strong take on which
man's better looking? Ron listens, I think Ron john about
the economy on the border first. Can we just agree
with that before we ask him who's handsomer Clay?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I think Ron might not want to answer the question
because it's hard, it's a hard choice.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
When we come back, we'll go up to Wisconsin Ron
Johnson see if he's recovered from the performance of the
Wisconsin Badgers against Alabama. And then also our good buddy
Ned Ryan. That's the thought Final Hour program today.
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