May 1, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show begins with breaking news about National Security Advisor Mike Waltz's departure from the Trump administration. The hosts discuss the implications of this change, including the potential reasons behind it, such as the Signalgate controversy and policy disagreements over U.S. support for Ukraine and military actions against Iran. They emphasize the significance of the National Security Advisor role and speculate on the future direction of Trump's national security team.
Clay and Buck then delve into the dynamics of Trump's relationships with various media figures and politicians, including Chris Cuomo and Chuck Schumer. They highlight Trump's unique ability to engage with his critics and maintain connections across the political spectrum.
The conversation shifts to the potential political aspirations of media personalities like Stephen A. Smith, with Trump suggesting that Smith should run for president. The hosts discuss the likelihood of non-traditional candidates entering the political arena, mentioning figures like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and Mark Cuban as potential contenders.
The hour also features a light-hearted segment on the challenges of moving, with Clay and Buck sharing personal anecdotes and tips for making the process smoother. They engage with listeners, discussing the etiquette of helping friends and family with moves and the stress involved in relocating.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in hour number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
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podcast network. Feedback has been amazing, So thanks to all
of you for supporting all of those different podcasts. We're
about to add a new one, a doctor. I'll give
you a little bit of a preview. Is it going
to be a doctor? And I think we are a
real doctor, not a Jill Biden doctor. That's right, not
a doctor Jill Biden doctor, a real MD. And I believe,
(01:27):
well I should just say it. Can I say it now?
Or am I not supposed to announce it?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Ali? I can say it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Doctor Nicole Safire, who many of you will know from
Fox News, is going to be doing a podcast as
a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network, and
I believe Ali is. She scheduled to be on with
us Friday tomorrow though right next week Friday the thirteenth. Interesting,
So next Friday, if I haven't already tripped all over
it and announcing it, well, I went ahead. So she
(01:53):
is going to be on with us, but a variety
of different really cool perspectives that I know many of
you out there are enjoying. And we did have Sean
Parnell in our podcast network and he now is at
the Pentagon, and I wanted to mention this because it
is news.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
We have the first reporter tell everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Also, I think visioned one of our first podcast Network
Picks was Caroline Levitt. But she's like, guys, I think
I have to go run the Trump campaign. Comms true,
And we were like, that's okay, what's cool. We respect that.
We respect that. Now for the original, the original listeners
out there, we had Caroline on for the first time
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running for congress in twenty twenty two. You can go
back and listen to the archives. And now she is
the badass press secretary who is regularly slaying all of
the left wing loser media on a day to day basis,
and she is phenomenal. But yes, the very first time
we had her on the program was I think the
summer of twenty twenty two when she was running for
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Congress in New Hampshire and she wrote for Outkicks. She's
a former athlete, she has had a meteorc rise and
she is absolutely dominating. And one change that is coming Buck,
I wanted to make sure we hit this National Security
Advisor Mike Waltz, formerly the congressman from Florida from the
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Daytona area right of Florida am I read or Saint Augustine.
He's been replaced now in his congressional seat, but he
is now out, and I wanted to make sure that
we played that audio reportedly. I don't think it's officially
official yet, but this is our friend Dana Perino announcing
(03:32):
this on America's news Room a little bit earlier today
on Fox News.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
All right, there's a breaking news that happened in the
commercial break. So what you're looking at a photograph right
now of Michael Waltz. He is the President's National Security Advisor,
except for we just got news that he is going
to be leaving the administration along with his deputy, Alex Wong.
Of course, if you might remember the story of Signalgate,
I don't know if that's particular reason, but there was
(04:01):
some consternation among some people about Mike waalt So you
might remember as a congressman, green Beret, a long, long
history and career in foreign policy.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
All right, so Buck, you were formerly in the CIA.
I think a lot of people don't really understand candidly
all of the different Foreign Affair Advisor universe appointees. What
is this job and what is the significance of someone
new just after one hundred days in this job from
(04:33):
your perspective, Well, it always depends with each administration, how
much sway the National Security Advisor can have for a
president and how important he is. Right, you have people
who are at that at that Kissinger level. The first
the genesis of the NSC system was back in nineteen
(04:55):
fifty three who became the President's Special Assistant for National
Security Affairs. Right, So there's been a history of this
for a while, the NSC system and the National Security Advisor.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That Robert Cutler, like I said, it was the first one.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
This situation though, as I see Clay with Waltz, you
get a couple of things, and I'm not sure which
holds more sway right now or which was the bigger factor,
but you get two things going on. One, you had
signal Gate, which I know we shouldn't call it a
gate because it wasn't really as big a deal as
they were making it sound.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
A few minutes before the Hoothy strikes happened, the Hoothies
were not about to be you know, hacking into this
chat and finding out where things were going and changing
it up. But nonetheless, you want to be careful about
your comms, and you want to have secure coms if
you're going to talk about things like that. But why
was Jeffrey Goldberg even this whole thing about who was
(05:51):
added to the chat?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I mean, how would you How would you add somebody
that you don't know to a chat? You would have
to have their contact information? Okay, So I think this
is the It's one thing if like, if I'm trying
to text Clay and I'm making fun of Jesse Kelly
and Jesse, you know, for being too tall or I
don't know, maybe not having the most luxurious man have
(06:17):
haired these days, and I accidentally text Jesse at the
same time, thus blowing myself up in the process. Both
of those guys are in my phone, So that could happen,
right if I had never texted Jesse, I had no
contact with in my life, But somehow he was on
that text where I'm talking smack. Well, that makes no sense,
and it made no sense when Mike Watz was saying
(06:38):
that initially. So I think that got a lot of people,
you know, They're like, well, is this because Jeffrey Goldberger
it's not just a reporter. He's a reporter who's written
national security stories to destroy Trump, to throw elections. I mean,
he's he is as anti Trump and the national security
establishment as you can be. So why is the national
security advisor for Trump, you know, in contact with them?
(06:58):
That was the question that but we're looking at right, Yes, yes,
well I was just gonna say, to be fair, Trump
just did an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, so.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like and and.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I will say the one thing about Trump that I
find endearing and also sometimes crazy. There are probably many
things that you can point put in that category, but
he legitimately believes that anybody who hates him he can
convince they should like him, and continues to do interviews
with people who truly hate him. Well, well, yes, Trump
likes to stick his head in the lion's mouth, so
(07:32):
to speak. There's no question about that, and even tweets
about that. But the Jeffrey Goldberg think if Mike Waltz
coman said, yeah, look, I like to try to push
back on the false narratives, and so I will discuss
with certain journalists who are oppositioned to the Trump agenda
why they're wrong. You know, I would have said, okay, fine,
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but he said, oh no, somebody else added this guy.
I didn't add him, but I would never talk to him.
And it just it didn't make sense. Man, there was
something weird. But look, maybe that was nothing, and maybe
that has nothing to do with it. That's one component
of this. And I'll say this, I mean Mike Wallas,
you know, is a patriot, a good guy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I like Mike Waltz.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm just trying to understand or trying to surmise why
he's no longer the National Security.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Advisor after one hundred days.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And the other one, though, is I think maybe the
bigger issue, which is more of the policy dispute level,
and that is that Waltz and I know this from
interviewing him, is very hawkish on US support to Ukraine
and very hawkish on US strikes against Iran to my recollection,
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and there is a ascendant faction within the Trump national
security world, including Secretary of Defense Hegseth, who are cautious
and limited in their support for Ukraine and would rather
see US avoid a military strike and possible entanglement against
(09:04):
Iran by going after the reactors or backing Israel too
much in a strike it may do. And you know
that's those are big issues. And when you see those
very differently, the friction I think clay can be a
problem for the people making the national security decisions. So
those are the two things that I see. Do you
see it that way? And is there a third?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
No? I think you're right on that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I would also add in that there have been people
who have believed that Waltz was not sufficiently diehard Trump.
If you go back through his history, there have been
talks that in twenty sixteen he wasn't officially enough on
the Trump train. Now, the reason why I would I
think you have to just kind of put that out
(09:47):
there on the discussion point. The reason why I would
discount it is Trump has proven time and again that
once you are on board the Trump train with him,
he is not a grudge guy. But I do think
there are people in his administration that are grudge guys
and gals that will constantly kind of come back if
(10:09):
there's tension over a current situation and try to reinforce Well,
you know, back in twenty eighteen, he did say this,
or he did say this in twenty sixteen, And so
I would also point this out. Buck Trump does not
want to give the media anything that the media wants.
He didn't act right after the signal event. He won't
(10:32):
give them Pete Hegseth's head on a platter, which is
what they seem to be demanding time after time after time.
I actually see this in some way as strengthening heg
Seth's hand, because there has been talk that these two
guys were at loggerheads at time. Over to your point,
what the response should be to Iran, And here's my look. Iran,
(10:57):
I think is going to be an issue for the
rest of all of our life. I don't think miraculously
it's going to go back to nineteen seventy eight in Tehran,
when women could walk around in many skirts and heels,
and they were relatively as a Islam focused country, relatively modern.
I think at some point they are going to get
(11:18):
a nuclear weapon, and when they get a nuclear weapon,
we're never going to be able to do anything to
them again. Because that's why they want the nuclear weapon,
because it strengthens them domestically, but also internationally. It sends
the message of if you come after us, we can
really obliterate you. It's why Kim Jong un wants it.
(11:39):
So I don't want war, but if there were a
way to ensure that Iran never got a nuclear weapon,
I think you have to listen to that argument, and
I'm skeptical that any sort of negotiation is going to
lead to Iran giving up that opportunity because the value
of having a nuclear weapon is so massive that if
I were Iranian and I were in some way involved
(12:02):
with the Iotola Komini, if we could make it the
Iotola Clay, Iotola Clay would want a nuclear weapon. And
we've talked about this with Ukraine Libya. You mentioned we
had this conversation a few weeks ago. Libya gave up
nuclear weapons. Kadafi was gone soon after Ukraine gave up
nuclear weapons. Russia has now invaded and taken away what
twenty percent of their overall territory. Kim Jong un wants them,
(12:26):
the Iotola wants them, because when you have nuclear weapons,
you basically create a situation where nobody can come and
try to overthrow you. And that's why I don't think
Iran is going to give this up. Whatever perspective you
want to adopt, attack or not attack, I don't think
Iran is going to give up through negotiation their capability
to get nuclear weapons. It doesn't make sense to me.
I think it doesn't make sense to them. I'm very
(12:48):
skeptical that any negotiation is going to lead to a
result like that. So these are obviously weighty issues, and
that is why a deep philosophical disagreement among people I'm
talking about in Trump's inner circle, not like between the
Democrats and the Republicans. That may be a part of
what led to the change up here that has been
reported with Mike Waltz's departure as National Security Advisor. I
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don't think that this will do what a Pete Hegseth
forced resignation would have done, which is feed the piranhas
and just make them want more in the media. I
think that this is a little more inside baseball to
the Trump team and what they need. But I miss
I wish Mike Waltz well, and I think that Trump
(13:36):
does too, and I'm sure he'll be doing other good
stuff going forward. He gave up that seat in Congress
here in Florida, yeah, which is now Randy Fines.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So I hope Randy Fine does a good job.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
We'll see, and that's a tough position to be in
because as we come back, I mean three months in,
I presume he'll probably find a good job going forward.
But I imagine if he had known he was going
to be out in three months, I don't think he
would have given up that congressional seat. Look, we want
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Speaker 2 (15:21):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I was gonna say, Clay, I think our audience in general,
I think our wonderful listeners are perhaps even nicer than
we are, because they both seem very very decisive when
it comes to picking up friends and family from the
airport themselves, which you and I were oddmit out on
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that one.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And also a lot of.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You I think have helped people move, and not not
immediate family or a love interest, right because the guys
out there, you know, you know, you're a few months
into dating a gallery like her. She says, can you
help me move? The answers yes, if you want to.
If you want to, you know, get get to the uh,
get to the altar. So yeah, man, I think that
(16:06):
people we just have very nice, giving people who listen
because they weren't like I wouldn't help somebody move. I
think moving is one of the most stressful, annoying things
you can possibly do. I've had to move over ten
times as an adult. I moved an apartment from DC
to New York and drove the drove the U haul
all by myself one time, which was a quite So
(16:28):
did all the moving, all the packing, all the driving,
all the unloading. How many times did you move in
New York City from one apartment to another?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Oh? Gosh, six or seven times at least? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Maybe, yes, Just that just is miserable to me. I mean,
we're in the process of moving now, and I just
I need to just vanish and then just show up
and everything's back in new places.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like I It's it's.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
My tip for people with moving, for any of you
who are thinking about or have to do it at
some point. First of all, don't ever think of moving
day as the day when things happen. Moving day has
to be the day that things just get moved. You
want to start packing at least you ready for this,
at least a week in advance of the actual trucks,
(17:12):
whether you're driving the truck or someone else's driving the truck,
whatever it may be. And you want to start with
your closets. Start with the closets, because I know a
lot of you out.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
There, you're like me, You're you're hoarders.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You probably have lots of just books and things and
you stack them up in the closets and you have
no idea how much stuff you've got. Well, Laura Travis,
if she is listening, is definitely nodding because I don't
even know when we're gonna move, and we've already started
the moving process, like I mean, the the packing has
(17:45):
begun and we may not even be out of this
house for months. I know we're not going to be
out of this.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
House for a lot of hope. And very very nice.
You're like I would help, I would help you in
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Speaker 2 (18:58):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling
through hour number two.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
By the way, Senator from Louisiana, Bill Cassidy will join
us at the top of the next hour to talk
some of Trump one hundred days and more. And our
friend last night he teased it and talked about it
the last time he was on with us. Bill O'Reilly
was on the program and he said, Hey, I'm going
to be doing an event in New York Long Island
if I remember correctly, with Stephen A. Smith uh and
(19:24):
Chris Cuomo and it's their support or recognized the one
hundred days of the Trump administration. I think they did
it last night and Trump called in during the event,
which aired on News Nation, I believe, which is where
Chris Cuomo and Bill O'Reilly. Does O'Reilly do a show
there to buck or just appear regularly? He disappeared here,
appears regularly. I've actually, you know, I'm friendly with Leland Vintert,
(19:45):
who used to be a Fox hosts over there now,
So I do Leland's show occasionally over there.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They they've got they've got some some good folks, They
have some good guests, and they're they're doing. I gotta say,
I think News Nation is is uh punching above its
expected weight already, so that in general News Nation, because
I I've not ever watched it News Nation, the idea
is that they're middle of the road, like trying to
be fair. Is that the ostensible basis of the network's existence.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
They had me on recently with a with uh Anna Kasparian,
who's I think of the young Turks, and she was
we were talking about Trump and the tariffs and and
she was very reasonable.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It wasn't like the old CNN MSNBC days, it's like,
why do you support Hitler.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm not saying she says that, but you know that's
usually the point. Counterpoint turns into this ad hominem mess
they're trying to have. I think a little bit more
of the look they're trying to build. I think a
centrist news network, which given that CNN as a joke
now there's no no one thinks the only thing that's
worth watching on CNN is Scott Jennings and Sirmichael Singleton
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just laying waste to lives on that panel show they
do at night, which banned our friend Ryan Gerdusky, but
we hired him, so it all worked out. We did
hire him right after he got banned, and CNN in
the month of April had no shows in the top
twenty five for cable news, and I believe Fox had
thirteen of the top fourteen shows. Fox News and Matt
Owl was the tell the MSNBC show. I don't even
(21:14):
know who runs CNN right now. Is it like a
British guy. I don't know who it is. Ever since
they got rid of the guy who was trying to
make it not insane because he gave it. Mark Thompson.
The guy's name maybe could be I don't know it,
but basically we don't know. It's not Evil Zucker, who
was like the sourn of CNN. You say his name
in a whisper because the evil just emanates. No, it's
(21:36):
you look at CNN. I think, Clay, if they I
really mean this, if they put you and me in
charge of making a network, I would it would not
be a Fox clone. It would not go full right.
You could make an interesting network over there, but you'd
have to really scrap things down and start it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But I think we could do it pretty easily. Wouldn't
be that I agree? I agree.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I mean I think you sees that space, by the way,
just that news nas sees that opening, and that's what
they're trying to do. I think you could go hire
a lot of people that are just fair and are
somewhat reasonable, and I think there's still a marketplace there.
I mean, honest, this is the thing when I used
to do see an initial originally, Clay, I remember I
was I was a counter terrorism analyst at CNN initially,
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so I would go on and you know, it was
actually really fun for me. Recently, Kaylee had me on Fox.
And you know Paul Morrow, who we should definitely have
on the show. When when the CIA sent me up
to the NYPD Intel Division for about a year, Paul Morrow,
who was then Captain Morrow, was my uniformed I mean
(22:43):
he wasn't like in uniform, but they considered uniform law
enforcement kind of supervisor basically, so like he was effectively
my boss. And it was fun because we got to
do a Fox hit together last week. I was fifteen
years ago. It's been a long time. And then he
became inspector more and everything else. But he was always
a very bright guy. I mean, I think he's the
kind of guy who could have been He could have
ended up running the whole department. We're running the whole NYPD.
(23:06):
But why was I telling you this story? Oh yes,
because when I used to go on CNN, it was
in that capacity, and then when Trump came along, the
battle lines were drawn, and now it wasn't you go
on to talk about something you know about, which is
initially what I was doing over there. It was you
are here to defend a monster. Therefore you're a monster,
(23:26):
and we're going to treat you like one. And I'm
telling you it was that twenty sixteen Trump comes. That
was exactly what happened. It took ten, you know, almost
ten years, and now the network has fully cratered into
the side of a mountain at high speed. CNN is
run by Mark Thompson. He's been there since October of
twenty twenty three, when they replaced Chris Lickt I believe
(23:47):
was the guy's name, and it has tanked on a
level that has truly never been seen at that network before.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
But here is Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I want to play a couple of these cuts from
last night with the Bill O'Reilly event Trump pulled in
one hundred Day Discussion and celebration. First, he thanked Chris Cuomo.
I we're going to have Andrew Cuomo, I think as
soon as the mayor of New York. And this is
an election that is sneaking up on people. It's basically
a month away the Democrat primary, and I'm telling you
(24:16):
Andrew Cuomo is going to win it, and he's going
to be the next mayor of New York. But here
is Trump talking to Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Listen, when you got shot, I reached out through family.
I wanted to talk to you and I wanted to
tell you a couple of things. One was that I
hope that you were okay and that your family was
dealing with it all right. And the second one was
that I was embarrassed by how it was being covered,
as if maybe it didn't happen. And I told my
(24:44):
audience that I spoke to you. I didn't talk about
the details of the conversation because they didn't matter, but
there was a lot of heat that came my way
as if I shouldn't have been making a comfort call
to Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I do remember you call. I appreciate you call, and
I actually appreciate your family. I've known your family for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think that's kind of interesting. We talked a lot
about Trump's relationships. In a larger context. You can kind
of see it with Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer doesn't hate
Donald Trump. Chuck Schuber there, I think he actually likes it.
You could see those guys eating some well done steak
and you know, hanging out together no problem. Even at
(25:30):
the Al Smith dinner, which I thought was Trump at
his absolute can meetic best. He took a couple of
shots at Chuck Schumer and you could tell Chuck Schumer
was just like, Yeah, that's kind of the Trump that
I've known for forty or fifty years. I mean, these guys,
I think I think Pelosi does loathe him, though, do
you agree with that? I think Trump does not like Trump, Yes,
(25:50):
I think that. I think that she Maybe she didn't originally,
but I think she has. She has fully joined the
I Hate Trump dring, like even Kathy Hokeel. I think anyway,
the Trump relationship with Democrat politicians in New York still
feels to me and media as well, and certainly the
Cuomo family has been because of the father there. Mario
(26:12):
has been in New York politics for a long time.
There's a familiarity that extends way beyond Trump being a
political candidate, and there seems to be a grudging acknowledgment.
Maybe respect is the wrong word, but mutual understanding that
doesn't feel rooted in complete hate, whereas there are people
(26:32):
out there I think that genuinely hate Trump. Trump also,
we know he has a good relationship with Bill O'Reilly
and has for decades. But Trump also then had a
conversation about Stephen A. Smith, ESPN's highest paid talent and
the question is I can't believe this is real. Is
Steven A gonna run for president of the United States
as a Democrat or not? And this is what the
(26:54):
conversation sounded like. Trump said, Yeah, I think you should run.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Smith may run for president, as you know.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Do you have any advice for Steven A if he
launches the run? Now, stephen A is He's a good guy.
He's a smart guy. I love watching him. He's got
great entertainment skills, which is very important.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
People watch him.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
You know, a lot of these Democrats I watch, I
say they have no chance. I've been pretty good at
picking people and picking candidates, and I will tell you
I'd love to see him run.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
All right, there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, so Trump kind of encouraging stephen A. Smith to run.
This is going to be really interesting to watch, buck
because we'll see what stephen A does. He makes twenty
million dollars a year arguing, you know, whether Lebron James
or Michael Jordan are better. That's not a bad gig.
A little bit different to step into the political realm.
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But I think what stephen A represents is there is
going to be I'm just telling you, there's going to
be at least one, maybe more than one non tradition
old Democrat candidate that is going to come in. And
I'm gonna give you a couple of names, and you
can tell me I'm crazy the rock. Some of you
are going to say, what in the Dwayne Johnson has
(28:10):
flirted with running politically in the past. Some of you
have no idea who he is. I'm telling you he
is wildly popular. Your kids and your grandkids know him.
He is talented at interacting in a media sphere which
is Trump like. I think he might run, but I
think he is basically worthless at this point. Mark Cuban
(28:32):
is very wealthy. I think he's been embarrassed by the
way that he's been engaged in the political process. Now,
it would not stun me if he decided to put
his foot forward in twenty twenty eight. They're going to
be a bunch of rich, media focused guys, primarily guys,
although there may be some women too, who I think
are going to come out of nowhere and actually see
(28:54):
themselves as the Democrat version of Trump. I'm telling you
it's gonna happen. I think there's gonna be moreultiple of them.
I don't know, man, It's so it's hard for a
lot of a lot of these individuals who especially I think,
are used to being very rich, not working very hard
and having a tremendous amount of adulation. And people say, oh,
it's it works so hard every This is one thing
(29:16):
I gave the speech once at my high school and
I went back years later.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's like, everybody thinks they work hard.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, figure out what you want to do and how
much money you want to try to make it what
you do every no matter what the job is, what
the career is, everybody thinks they work hard.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
If you're well.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
The truth of the matter is, if you're good at anything,
you probably have to work pretty hard at it.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But but I mean there's you know, you're not breaking
rocks in uh in like the hot sun somewhere right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
This is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You know, we you and I sit here and let
me just take Clay and I and thank you Rush
for building this house.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Uh this is.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Like the greatest job in the world. Okay, I've I've
done other jobs, You've done other jobs, Like this is
the greatest job in our in our opinions, I mean,
I'm sure something you say, no big a parent, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We we're both parents now too. We love that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But you know what I'm saying, Like if you maybe
you love being teacher, maybe you love but there's different
levels of work hard, right, and especially once you get
to a certain level, and a lot of people who
are celebrities.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I mean they don't work very hard. That don't work.
I'm gonna tell you this very I'm gonna tell you
something else.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's gonna be a little controversial, but you know what,
I'll fight anybody on this one. You work a lot
harder on radio than you do on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Just a fact, just a fact. A TV is a
team sport.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Tonty even ask ask our friend Sean Hannity too, like
which one requires more because he's obviously huge in both, right,
which one requires more energy?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Time? Obviously? Three hours?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Radio way TV is you are? You are in a
lucky world. If you get to host a TV show,
You got a staff, and you got the lights of
studio radio. We sit here at microphones and have to
just like lay it all on the table all the time. Okay,
why am I going on this rant? Because I think
for a lot of these people to put themselves through
that grinder of uh, you know, having everyone look into
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their backgrounds and everything else they think they want to
run for president.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Is my point.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
A lot of these Democrats were celebrities the Rock for example.
They think they want to do this, clay, they don't
really want to do this, and then well, then you
realize that you have to land and you're at the
Iowa State Fair shaking hands for eight hours, and it's like, oh,
wait a minute, where's my staff, where's my air conditioned?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You super got a trailer.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Local politics, like retail level politics, which you have to
do even if you're on the now, you know, at
the national level and you're running for president.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You got to show up to places.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And you gotta you know, eat the rubber chicken that's
on the plate, and you gotta pretend like you love
punk Satani. No beef punk Satani. I'm sure you're great,
but it just was a random thing that came to mind.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Here.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
You gotta pretend this is the greatest talent in the world.
You know, you gotta hustle, and a lot of people
don't want to do that hustle. Do you remember the
video I don't even remember who the politician was walking
in the New Hampshire parade and there was the kid
with the water balloons that on video just nailed the politician.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, I haven't, don't getting into this.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
His team pulled this up. I don't remember which politician
it was, but it was I think a July fourth celebration,
and you know, you're walking in the alongside the firemen
and you're waving, and then out of nowhere, this kid
on probably sixteen year old kid is just just nails
one of them in the back of the back of
the head with a water balloon, and I just remember thinking,
(32:33):
you know, like, you know, I guarantee you when you
watch that video, you're like, what am I doing? You know,
I'm walking around at a parade at a random New
Hampshire the thing and some people look. I think I
would like some aspects of this, because do you either
get energy from a crowd or it takes all your
energy away, And a lot of politicians I do see
(32:57):
your point. My reason I don't think Stephen A's gonna
run buck is because he makes twenty million dollars a
year talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Sports and that's a pretty good gig.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But I think he thinks he could run and come
back to that and the twenty million would still be
waiting for him.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well that's probably his case. Yeah, in his case, I
think that.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well to Europe, you see it the way I do,
which is, you know, this is why I knew Michelle
Obama wasn't gonna run for president. Michelle Obama lives the
most like despite all of her complaining about it, lives
the most.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Rarefied and incredible life.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Just people throwing money at her invitations, you know, private
jet rides, mansions. You think she wants to go around
and shake people's hands at the county fair somewhere and
tell them to like.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Her no interest.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, not only that, Buck, I would say this, a
lot of these people are protected and when you run
for office, whatever your true nature is gets revealed, and
a lot of these people are not that likable.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well that's that too, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We'll get some calls,
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third hour.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So we'll see also already seeing names coming out about
the possible next National Security Advisor to take over for
the spot that is being vacated by Mike Waltz. Not
to be confused with Tim Waltz, who thinks he code
talks to guys who go hunting and drink beer unsuccessfully.
I might add Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy is going to
(35:40):
be up with us in the next hour. He was
at the White House for the Investment in America summit.
We had Cassidy on right after the New Year's Eve
terror attack in New Orleans, so we haven't spoken to
him since then.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Looking forward to talking to the Senator. Louisiana is a
great state. I'm a big, big fan of.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Louisiana, and we will be coming back to you with
all that. I wish we had more time for you
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there for her. She was not there for me.
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I mean, I love you, man, but the hot girl
privileges you help her move.
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She doesn't help you move.
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You get your buddies named Bill, Tom and Sal to
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Ali? I can say it.
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Speaker 2 (02:06):
We have the first reporter tell everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Also, I think visioned one of our first podcast Network
Picks was Caroline Levitt. But she's like, guys, I think
I have to go run the Trump campaign. Comms true,
And we were like, that's okay, what's cool. We respect that.
We respect that. Now for the original, the original listeners
out there, we had Caroline on for the first time
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the badass press secretary who is regularly slaying all of
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and she is phenomenal. But yes, the very first time
we had her on the program was I think the
summer of twenty twenty two when she was running for
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Congress in New Hampshire and she wrote for Outkicks. She's
a former athlete, she has had a meteorc rise and
she is absolutely dominating. And one change that is coming Buck,
I wanted to make sure we hit this National Security
Advisor Mike Waltz, formerly the congressman from Florida from the
(03:12):
Daytona area right of Florida am I read or Saint Augustine.
He's been replaced now in his congressional seat, but he
is now out, and I wanted to make sure that
we played that audio reportedly. I don't think it's officially
official yet, but this is our friend Dana Perino announcing
(03:32):
this on America's news Room a little bit earlier today
on Fox News.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
All right, there's a breaking news that happened in the
commercial break. So what you're looking at a photograph right
now of Michael Waltz. He is the President's National Security Advisor,
except for we just got news that he is going
to be leaving the administration along with his deputy, Alex Wong.
Of course, if you might remember the story of Signalgate,
I don't know if that's particular reason, but there was
(04:01):
some consternation among some people about Mike waalt So you
might remember as a congressman, green Beret, a long, long
history and career in foreign policy.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
All right, so Buck, you were formerly in the CIA.
I think a lot of people don't really understand candidly
all of the different Foreign Affair Advisor universe appointees. What
is this job and what is the significance of someone
new just after one hundred days in this job from
(04:33):
your perspective, Well, it always depends with each administration, how
much sway the National Security Advisor can have for a
president and how important he is. Right, you have people
who are at that at that Kissinger level. The first
the genesis of the NSC system was back in nineteen
(04:55):
fifty three who became the President's Special Assistant for National
Security Affairs. Right, So there's been a history of this
for a while, the NSC system and the National Security Advisor.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That Robert Cutler, like I said, it was the first one.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
This situation though, as I see Clay with Waltz, you
get a couple of things, and I'm not sure which
holds more sway right now or which was the bigger factor,
but you get two things going on. One, you had
signal Gate, which I know we shouldn't call it a
gate because it wasn't really as big a deal as
they were making it sound.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
A few minutes before the Hoothy strikes happened, the Hoothies
were not about to be you know, hacking into this
chat and finding out where things were going and changing
it up. But nonetheless, you want to be careful about
your comms, and you want to have secure coms if
you're going to talk about things like that. But why
was Jeffrey Goldberg even this whole thing about who was
(05:51):
added to the chat?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I mean, how would you How would you add somebody
that you don't know to a chat? You would have
to have their contact information? Okay, So I think this
is the It's one thing if like, if I'm trying
to text Clay and I'm making fun of Jesse Kelly
and Jesse, you know, for being too tall or I
don't know, maybe not having the most luxurious man have
(06:17):
haired these days, and I accidentally text Jesse at the
same time, thus blowing myself up in the process. Both
of those guys are in my phone, So that could happen,
right if I had never texted Jesse, I had no
contact with in my life, But somehow he was on
that text where I'm talking smack. Well, that makes no sense,
and it made no sense when Mike Watz was saying
(06:38):
that initially. So I think that got a lot of people,
you know, They're like, well, is this because Jeffrey Goldberger
it's not just a reporter. He's a reporter who's written
national security stories to destroy Trump, to throw elections. I mean,
he's he is as anti Trump and the national security
establishment as you can be. So why is the national
security advisor for Trump, you know, in contact with them?
(06:58):
That was the question that but we're looking at right, Yes, yes,
well I was just gonna say, to be fair, Trump
just did an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, so.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like and and.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I will say the one thing about Trump that I
find endearing and also sometimes crazy. There are probably many
things that you can point put in that category, but
he legitimately believes that anybody who hates him he can
convince they should like him, and continues to do interviews
with people who truly hate him. Well, well, yes, Trump
likes to stick his head in the lion's mouth, so
(07:32):
to speak. There's no question about that, and even tweets
about that. But the Jeffrey Goldberg think if Mike Waltz
coman said, yeah, look, I like to try to push
back on the false narratives, and so I will discuss
with certain journalists who are oppositioned to the Trump agenda
why they're wrong. You know, I would have said, okay, fine,
(07:52):
but he said, oh no, somebody else added this guy.
I didn't add him, but I would never talk to him.
And it just it didn't make sense. Man, there was
something weird. But look, maybe that was nothing, and maybe
that has nothing to do with it. That's one component
of this. And I'll say this, I mean Mike Wallas,
you know, is a patriot, a good guy.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I like Mike Waltz.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm just trying to understand or trying to surmise why
he's no longer the National Security.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Advisor after one hundred days.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And the other one, though, is I think maybe the
bigger issue, which is more of the policy dispute level,
and that is that Waltz and I know this from
interviewing him, is very hawkish on US support to Ukraine
and very hawkish on US strikes against Iran to my recollection,
(08:41):
and there is a ascendant faction within the Trump national
security world, including Secretary of Defense Hegseth, who are cautious
and limited in their support for Ukraine and would rather
see US avoid a military strike and possible entanglement against
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Iran by going after the reactors or backing Israel too
much in a strike it may do. And you know
that's those are big issues. And when you see those
very differently, the friction I think clay can be a
problem for the people making the national security decisions. So
those are the two things that I see. Do you
see it that way? And is there a third?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
No? I think you're right on that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I would also add in that there have been people
who have believed that Waltz was not sufficiently diehard Trump.
If you go back through his history, there have been
talks that in twenty sixteen he wasn't officially enough on
the Trump train. Now, the reason why I would I
think you have to just kind of put that out
(09:47):
there on the discussion point. The reason why I would
discount it is Trump has proven time and again that
once you are on board the Trump train with him,
he is not a grudge guy. But I do think
there are people in his administration that are grudge guys
and gals that will constantly kind of come back if
(10:09):
there's tension over a current situation and try to reinforce Well,
you know, back in twenty eighteen, he did say this,
or he did say this in twenty sixteen, And so
I would also point this out. Buck Trump does not
want to give the media anything that the media wants.
He didn't act right after the signal event. He won't
(10:32):
give them Pete Hegseth's head on a platter, which is
what they seem to be demanding time after time after time.
I actually see this in some way as strengthening heg
Seth's hand, because there has been talk that these two
guys were at loggerheads at time. Over to your point,
what the response should be to Iran, And here's my look. Iran,
(10:57):
I think is going to be an issue for the
rest of all of our life. I don't think miraculously
it's going to go back to nineteen seventy eight in Tehran,
when women could walk around in many skirts and heels,
and they were relatively as a Islam focused country, relatively modern.
I think at some point they are going to get
(11:18):
a nuclear weapon, and when they get a nuclear weapon,
we're never going to be able to do anything to
them again. Because that's why they want the nuclear weapon,
because it strengthens them domestically, but also internationally. It sends
the message of if you come after us, we can
really obliterate you. It's why Kim Jong un wants it.
(11:39):
So I don't want war, but if there were a
way to ensure that Iran never got a nuclear weapon,
I think you have to listen to that argument, and
I'm skeptical that any sort of negotiation is going to
lead to Iran giving up that opportunity because the value
of having a nuclear weapon is so massive that if
I were Iranian and I were in some way involved
(12:02):
with the Iotola Komini, if we could make it the
Iotola Clay, Iotola Clay would want a nuclear weapon. And
we've talked about this with Ukraine Libya. You mentioned we
had this conversation a few weeks ago. Libya gave up
nuclear weapons. Kadafi was gone soon after Ukraine gave up
nuclear weapons. Russia has now invaded and taken away what
twenty percent of their overall territory. Kim Jong un wants them,
(12:26):
the Iotola wants them, because when you have nuclear weapons,
you basically create a situation where nobody can come and
try to overthrow you. And that's why I don't think
Iran is going to give this up. Whatever perspective you
want to adopt, attack or not attack, I don't think
Iran is going to give up through negotiation their capability
to get nuclear weapons. It doesn't make sense to me.
I think it doesn't make sense to them. I'm very
(12:48):
skeptical that any negotiation is going to lead to a
result like that. So these are obviously weighty issues, and
that is why a deep philosophical disagreement among people I'm
talking about in Trump's inner circle, not like between the
Democrats and the Republicans. That may be a part of
what led to the change up here that has been
reported with Mike Waltz's departure as National Security Advisor. I
(13:14):
don't think that this will do what a Pete Hegseth
forced resignation would have done, which is feed the piranhas
and just make them want more in the media. I
think that this is a little more inside baseball to
the Trump team and what they need. But I miss
I wish Mike Waltz well, and I think that Trump
(13:36):
does too, and I'm sure he'll be doing other good
stuff going forward. He gave up that seat in Congress
here in Florida, yeah, which is now Randy Fines.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So I hope Randy Fine does a good job.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
We'll see, and that's a tough position to be in
because as we come back, I mean three months in,
I presume he'll probably find a good job going forward.
But I imagine if he had known he was going
to be out in three months, I don't think he
would have given up that congressional seat. Look, we want
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Speaker 1 (15:22):
I was gonna say, Clay, I think our audience in general,
I think our wonderful listeners are perhaps even nicer than
we are, because they both seem very very decisive when
it comes to picking up friends and family from the
airport themselves, which you and I were oddmit out on
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that one.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And also a lot of.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You I think have helped people move, and not not
immediate family or a love interest, right because the guys
out there, you know, you know, you're a few months
into dating a gallery like her. She says, can you
help me move? The answers yes, if you want to.
If you want to, you know, get get to the uh,
get to the altar. So yeah, man, I think that
(16:06):
people we just have very nice, giving people who listen
because they weren't like I wouldn't help somebody move. I
think moving is one of the most stressful, annoying things
you can possibly do. I've had to move over ten
times as an adult. I moved an apartment from DC
to New York and drove the drove the U haul
all by myself one time, which was a quite So
(16:28):
did all the moving, all the packing, all the driving,
all the unloading. How many times did you move in
New York City from one apartment to another?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Oh? Gosh, six or seven times at least? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Maybe, yes, Just that just is miserable to me. I mean,
we're in the process of moving now, and I just
I need to just vanish and then just show up
and everything's back in new places.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like I It's it's.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
My tip for people with moving, for any of you
who are thinking about or have to do it at
some point. First of all, don't ever think of moving
day as the day when things happen. Moving day has
to be the day that things just get moved. You
want to start packing at least you ready for this,
at least a week in advance of the actual trucks,
(17:12):
whether you're driving the truck or someone else's driving the truck,
whatever it may be. And you want to start with
your closets. Start with the closets, because I know a
lot of you out.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
There, you're like me, You're you're hoarders.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You probably have lots of just books and things and
you stack them up in the closets and you have
no idea how much stuff you've got. Well, Laura Travis,
if she is listening, is definitely nodding because I don't
even know when we're gonna move, and we've already started
the moving process, like I mean, the the packing has
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begun and we may not even be out of this
house for months. I know we're not going to be
out of this.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
House for a lot of hope. And very very nice.
You're like I would help, I would help you in
Clay move you people? Are you very nice? You people
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Speaker 2 (18:58):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling
through hour number two.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
By the way, Senator from Louisiana, Bill Cassidy will join
us at the top of the next hour to talk
some of Trump one hundred days and more. And our
friend last night he teased it and talked about it
the last time he was on with us. Bill O'Reilly
was on the program and he said, Hey, I'm going
to be doing an event in New York Long Island
if I remember correctly, with Stephen A. Smith uh and
(19:24):
Chris Cuomo and it's their support or recognized the one
hundred days of the Trump administration. I think they did
it last night and Trump called in during the event,
which aired on News Nation, I believe, which is where
Chris Cuomo and Bill O'Reilly. Does O'Reilly do a show
there to buck or just appear regularly? He disappeared here,
appears regularly. I've actually, you know, I'm friendly with Leland Vintert,
(19:45):
who used to be a Fox hosts over there now,
So I do Leland's show occasionally over there.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They they've got they've got some some good folks, They
have some good guests, and they're they're doing. I gotta say,
I think News Nation is is uh punching above its
expected weight already, so that in general News Nation, because
I I've not ever watched it News Nation, the idea
is that they're middle of the road, like trying to
be fair. Is that the ostensible basis of the network's existence.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
They had me on recently with a with uh Anna Kasparian,
who's I think of the young Turks, and she was
we were talking about Trump and the tariffs and and
she was very reasonable.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It wasn't like the old CNN MSNBC days, it's like,
why do you support Hitler.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm not saying she says that, but you know that's
usually the point. Counterpoint turns into this ad hominem mess
they're trying to have. I think a little bit more
of the look they're trying to build. I think a
centrist news network, which given that CNN as a joke
now there's no no one thinks the only thing that's
worth watching on CNN is Scott Jennings and Sirmichael Singleton
(20:52):
just laying waste to lives on that panel show they
do at night, which banned our friend Ryan Gerdusky, but
we hired him, so it all worked out. We did
hire him right after he got banned, and CNN in
the month of April had no shows in the top
twenty five for cable news, and I believe Fox had
thirteen of the top fourteen shows. Fox News and Matt
Owl was the tell the MSNBC show. I don't even
(21:14):
know who runs CNN right now. Is it like a
British guy. I don't know who it is. Ever since
they got rid of the guy who was trying to
make it not insane because he gave it. Mark Thompson.
The guy's name maybe could be I don't know it,
but basically we don't know. It's not Evil Zucker, who
was like the sourn of CNN. You say his name
in a whisper because the evil just emanates. No, it's
(21:36):
you look at CNN. I think, Clay, if they I
really mean this, if they put you and me in
charge of making a network, I would it would not
be a Fox clone. It would not go full right.
You could make an interesting network over there, but you'd
have to really scrap things down and start it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But I think we could do it pretty easily. Wouldn't
be that I agree? I agree.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I mean I think you sees that space, by the way,
just that news nas sees that opening, and that's what
they're trying to do. I think you could go hire
a lot of people that are just fair and are
somewhat reasonable, and I think there's still a marketplace there.
I mean, honest, this is the thing when I used
to do see an initial originally, Clay, I remember I
was I was a counter terrorism analyst at CNN initially,
(22:21):
so I would go on and you know, it was
actually really fun for me. Recently, Kaylee had me on Fox.
And you know Paul Morrow, who we should definitely have
on the show. When when the CIA sent me up
to the NYPD Intel Division for about a year, Paul Morrow,
who was then Captain Morrow, was my uniformed I mean
(22:43):
he wasn't like in uniform, but they considered uniform law
enforcement kind of supervisor basically, so like he was effectively
my boss. And it was fun because we got to
do a Fox hit together last week. I was fifteen
years ago. It's been a long time. And then he
became inspector more and everything else. But he was always
a very bright guy. I mean, I think he's the
kind of guy who could have been He could have
ended up running the whole department. We're running the whole NYPD.
(23:06):
But why was I telling you this story? Oh yes,
because when I used to go on CNN, it was
in that capacity, and then when Trump came along, the
battle lines were drawn, and now it wasn't you go
on to talk about something you know about, which is
initially what I was doing over there. It was you
are here to defend a monster. Therefore you're a monster,
(23:26):
and we're going to treat you like one. And I'm
telling you it was that twenty sixteen Trump comes. That
was exactly what happened. It took ten, you know, almost
ten years, and now the network has fully cratered into
the side of a mountain at high speed. CNN is
run by Mark Thompson. He's been there since October of
twenty twenty three, when they replaced Chris Lickt I believe
(23:47):
was the guy's name, and it has tanked on a
level that has truly never been seen at that network before.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
But here is Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I want to play a couple of these cuts from
last night with the Bill O'Reilly event Trump pulled in
one hundred Day Discussion and celebration. First, he thanked Chris Cuomo.
I we're going to have Andrew Cuomo, I think as
soon as the mayor of New York. And this is
an election that is sneaking up on people. It's basically
a month away the Democrat primary, and I'm telling you
(24:16):
Andrew Cuomo is going to win it, and he's going
to be the next mayor of New York. But here
is Trump talking to Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Listen, when you got shot, I reached out through family.
I wanted to talk to you and I wanted to
tell you a couple of things. One was that I
hope that you were okay and that your family was
dealing with it all right. And the second one was
that I was embarrassed by how it was being covered,
as if maybe it didn't happen. And I told my
(24:44):
audience that I spoke to you. I didn't talk about
the details of the conversation because they didn't matter, but
there was a lot of heat that came my way
as if I shouldn't have been making a comfort call
to Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I do remember you call. I appreciate you call, and
I actually appreciate your family. I've known your family for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think that's kind of interesting. We talked a lot
about Trump's relationships. In a larger context. You can kind
of see it with Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer doesn't hate
Donald Trump. Chuck Schuber there, I think he actually likes it.
You could see those guys eating some well done steak
and you know, hanging out together no problem. Even at
(25:30):
the Al Smith dinner, which I thought was Trump at
his absolute can meetic best. He took a couple of
shots at Chuck Schumer and you could tell Chuck Schumer
was just like, Yeah, that's kind of the Trump that
I've known for forty or fifty years. I mean, these guys,
I think I think Pelosi does loathe him, though, do
you agree with that? I think Trump does not like Trump, Yes,
(25:50):
I think that. I think that she Maybe she didn't originally,
but I think she has. She has fully joined the
I Hate Trump dring, like even Kathy Hokeel. I think anyway,
the Trump relationship with Democrat politicians in New York still
feels to me and media as well, and certainly the
Cuomo family has been because of the father there. Mario
(26:12):
has been in New York politics for a long time.
There's a familiarity that extends way beyond Trump being a
political candidate, and there seems to be a grudging acknowledgment.
Maybe respect is the wrong word, but mutual understanding that
doesn't feel rooted in complete hate, whereas there are people
(26:32):
out there I think that genuinely hate Trump. Trump also,
we know he has a good relationship with Bill O'Reilly
and has for decades. But Trump also then had a
conversation about Stephen A. Smith, ESPN's highest paid talent and
the question is I can't believe this is real. Is
Steven A gonna run for president of the United States
as a Democrat or not? And this is what the
(26:54):
conversation sounded like. Trump said, Yeah, I think you should run.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Smith may run for president, as you know.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Do you have any advice for Steven A if he
launches the run? Now, stephen A is He's a good guy.
He's a smart guy. I love watching him. He's got
great entertainment skills, which is very important.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
People watch him.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
You know, a lot of these Democrats I watch, I
say they have no chance. I've been pretty good at
picking people and picking candidates, and I will tell you
I'd love to see him run.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
All right, there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, so Trump kind of encouraging stephen A. Smith to run.
This is going to be really interesting to watch, buck
because we'll see what stephen A does. He makes twenty
million dollars a year arguing, you know, whether Lebron James
or Michael Jordan are better. That's not a bad gig.
A little bit different to step into the political realm.
(27:50):
But I think what stephen A represents is there is
going to be I'm just telling you, there's going to
be at least one, maybe more than one non tradition
old Democrat candidate that is going to come in. And
I'm gonna give you a couple of names, and you
can tell me I'm crazy the rock. Some of you
are going to say, what in the Dwayne Johnson has
(28:10):
flirted with running politically in the past. Some of you
have no idea who he is. I'm telling you he
is wildly popular. Your kids and your grandkids know him.
He is talented at interacting in a media sphere which
is Trump like. I think he might run, but I
think he is basically worthless at this point. Mark Cuban
(28:32):
is very wealthy. I think he's been embarrassed by the
way that he's been engaged in the political process. Now,
it would not stun me if he decided to put
his foot forward in twenty twenty eight. They're going to
be a bunch of rich, media focused guys, primarily guys,
although there may be some women too, who I think
are going to come out of nowhere and actually see
(28:54):
themselves as the Democrat version of Trump. I'm telling you
it's gonna happen. I think there's gonna be moreultiple of them.
I don't know, man, It's so it's hard for a
lot of a lot of these individuals who especially I think,
are used to being very rich, not working very hard
and having a tremendous amount of adulation. And people say, oh,
it's it works so hard every This is one thing
(29:16):
I gave the speech once at my high school and
I went back years later.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's like, everybody thinks they work hard.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, figure out what you want to do and how
much money you want to try to make it what
you do every no matter what the job is, what
the career is, everybody thinks they work hard.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
If you're well.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
The truth of the matter is, if you're good at anything,
you probably have to work pretty hard at it.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But but I mean there's you know, you're not breaking
rocks in uh in like the hot sun somewhere right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
This is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You know, we you and I sit here and let
me just take Clay and I and thank you Rush
for building this house.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Uh this is.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Like the greatest job in the world. Okay, I've I've
done other jobs, You've done other jobs, Like this is
the greatest job in our in our opinions, I mean,
I'm sure something you say, no big a parent, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We we're both parents now too. We love that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But you know what I'm saying, Like if you maybe
you love being teacher, maybe you love but there's different
levels of work hard, right, and especially once you get
to a certain level, and a lot of people who
are celebrities.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I mean they don't work very hard. That don't work.
I'm gonna tell you this very I'm gonna tell you
something else.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's gonna be a little controversial, but you know what,
I'll fight anybody on this one. You work a lot
harder on radio than you do on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Just a fact, just a fact. A TV is a
team sport.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Tonty even ask ask our friend Sean Hannity too, like
which one requires more because he's obviously huge in both, right,
which one requires more energy?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Time? Obviously? Three hours?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Radio way TV is you are? You are in a
lucky world. If you get to host a TV show,
You got a staff, and you got the lights of
studio radio. We sit here at microphones and have to
just like lay it all on the table all the time. Okay,
why am I going on this rant? Because I think
for a lot of these people to put themselves through
that grinder of uh, you know, having everyone look into
(31:02):
their backgrounds and everything else they think they want to
run for president.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Is my point.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
A lot of these Democrats were celebrities the Rock for example.
They think they want to do this, clay, they don't
really want to do this, and then well, then you
realize that you have to land and you're at the
Iowa State Fair shaking hands for eight hours, and it's like, oh,
wait a minute, where's my staff, where's my air conditioned?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You super got a trailer.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Local politics, like retail level politics, which you have to
do even if you're on the now, you know, at
the national level and you're running for president.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You got to show up to places.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And you gotta you know, eat the rubber chicken that's
on the plate, and you gotta pretend like you love
punk Satani. No beef punk Satani. I'm sure you're great,
but it just was a random thing that came to mind.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Here.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
You gotta pretend this is the greatest talent in the world.
You know, you gotta hustle, and a lot of people
don't want to do that hustle. Do you remember the
video I don't even remember who the politician was walking
in the New Hampshire parade and there was the kid
with the water balloons that on video just nailed the politician.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, I haven't, don't getting into this.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
His team pulled this up. I don't remember which politician
it was, but it was I think a July fourth celebration,
and you know, you're walking in the alongside the firemen
and you're waving, and then out of nowhere, this kid
on probably sixteen year old kid is just just nails
one of them in the back of the back of
the head with a water balloon, and I just remember thinking,
(32:33):
you know, like, you know, I guarantee you when you
watch that video, you're like, what am I doing? You know,
I'm walking around at a parade at a random New
Hampshire the thing and some people look. I think I
would like some aspects of this, because do you either
get energy from a crowd or it takes all your
energy away, And a lot of politicians I do see
(32:57):
your point. My reason I don't think Stephen A's gonna
run buck is because he makes twenty million dollars a
year talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Sports and that's a pretty good gig.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But I think he thinks he could run and come
back to that and the twenty million would still be
waiting for him.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well that's probably his case. Yeah, in his case, I
think that.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well to Europe, you see it the way I do,
which is, you know, this is why I knew Michelle
Obama wasn't gonna run for president. Michelle Obama lives the
most like despite all of her complaining about it, lives
the most.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Rarefied and incredible life.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Just people throwing money at her invitations, you know, private
jet rides, mansions. You think she wants to go around
and shake people's hands at the county fair somewhere and
tell them to like.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Her no interest.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, not only that, Buck, I would say this, a
lot of these people are protected and when you run
for office, whatever your true nature is gets revealed, and
a lot of these people are not that likable.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well that's that too, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (35:10):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We'll get some calls,
some emails and set us up here for a big
third hour.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So we'll see also already seeing names coming out about
the possible next National Security Advisor to take over for
the spot that is being vacated by Mike Waltz. Not
to be confused with Tim Waltz, who thinks he code
talks to guys who go hunting and drink beer unsuccessfully.
I might add Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy is going to
(35:40):
be up with us in the next hour. He was
at the White House for the Investment in America summit.
We had Cassidy on right after the New Year's Eve
terror attack in New Orleans, so we haven't spoken to
him since then.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Looking forward to talking to the Senator. Louisiana is a
great state. I'm a big, big fan of.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Louisiana, and we will be coming back to you with
all that. I wish we had more time for you
know what. Here we've got CC podcast listener Steve tell
Us Steve, Hey.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
Guys, the moving discussion is pretty interesting. When I lived
in Chicago when I was in my late twenties, I
had a girlfriend who was frankly, way too hot for me,
and she she made a big deal out of me
helping her move. I moved a month later and she
did not help me at all, so I broke up
with her. I was so angry. I've never been so
angry at anybody in my entire life. But I was
(36:28):
there for her. She was not there for me.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I mean, I love you, man, but the hot girl
privileges you help her move.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
She doesn't help you move.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You get your buddies named Bill, Tom and Sal to
carry the heavy stuff with you. Right, team hot chick here,
this guy overreacted. Poor decision, budg
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