March 19, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck are joined by Miranda Devine to discuss the latest developments surrounding Hunter Biden. They delve into the IRS whistleblowers, Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, who exposed Hunter Biden's tax crimes and have now been promoted under the Trump administration. The conversation highlights the extensive and controversial Secret Service protection Hunter Biden received, including a 90-day vacation in South Africa, and the subsequent removal of this protection by Trump. Miranda Devine shares insights into the Biden brand's decline and the impact of investigative journalism on political accountability. The hour also covers Clay's upcoming trip on Air Force One with President Trump to the NCAA wrestling tournament, where he will meet Miranda in person. They discuss the excitement and significance of this opportunity, as well as the dynamics of traveling with the White House Press Corps. Additionally, the hosts address recent comments by Tim Walz, who claimed he could "kick most Trump supporters' asses." Clay and Buck critique Walz's remarks, discussing the broader implications of such statements and the perception of masculinity within the Democratic Party. They emphasize the importance of genuine leadership and the disconnect between political posturing and real-world toughness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we are
joined by our friend Miranda Devine. She has books like
Laptop from How and the Big Guy. Got a great
piece at the New York Post as well, where she's
a columnist on the secret service situation with the Bidens.
The Irs whistleblowers, so much more to talk about, Miranda,
(00:21):
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Let's start with this.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The Irs whistleblowers who are the ones investigating Hunter Biden.
And you were all over that story, as we know,
and this audience will remember you from that. They were
initially ostracized. They have gotten quite a promotion under Trump.
Tell us what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hi, claim, but this is absolutely fantastic news, and really,
I think the first vindication that we've seen in the
Trump administration of these valiant whistle blowers. They were a
number of them who's stuck their head up above the
parapet to warn the American people about various malfeasances under
(01:03):
Joe Biden. And these two guys are IRS investigators, Gary
Shapley and Joe Ziegler. They were the ones who kaibo
washed the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal on his tax crimes
and that was two years since they've been ostracized and
retaliated against by their superiors in the IRS, and so
(01:27):
Scott Bessant, the Treasury Secretary, has just jumped in promoted
both of them to important positions, first of all as
senior advisors in his office helping guide the reform of
the IRS that's going to be pretty radical. And then
after one year they will go back into the agency
(01:49):
in very senior leadership positions. And in fact, just today
Scott Bessant has said that Gary Shapley, who was the
senior Super five Street agent on the Hunter Biden case,
he will be the deputy head of Criminal Investigations at
the IRS.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
There's a lot going on, Miranda, It's like every day
I got to keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But even when it comes.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
To crazy levels of insane corruption, were you blown away
by how many people were protecting Hunter Biden? Because Buck
and I when we had this conversation on the show,
I mean, I was in disbelief, to say nothing of
the fact that he's going on luxurious vacations to South
Africa while he's claiming poverty here in the United States.
(02:40):
And I'm glad by the way that the Trump administration
has pulled the protection of Hunter Biden. But even with
the understanding of how much craziness and wasted funds there
are in the federal government, did it astound you.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
How big the security detail was for Hunter Biden?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Not really, because I have seen him right for instance,
last summer when he was in court in Delaware, in
Wilmington over these gun felonies that he was convicted on.
Every day he would arrive in a gigantic motorcade you know,
of black Secret Service cadillacs with you know, I don't know.
(03:20):
It seemed like vast armies. Donald Trump has said there
were eighteen Secret Service agents with him in South Africa.
That kind of makes sense because he has two agents
assigned to him. His wife, Melissa Cohen, has two agents,
so that's four. You've got three shifts of eight hours,
so you're already up to twelve and then you know
(03:43):
you've got to have extras because they can't be expected
to work seven.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Days a week.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So it kind of makes sense that eighteen agents would
have flown over to South Africa. We're told by Garrett
Ziegler from Marc Po Polo, who's had a private eye
following following Hunter Biden of Hunter Biden suing him, and
he wanted to find out if Hunter Biden was sort
of flouting at the court orders and he Garrett Ziegeler
(04:12):
has said that Hunter Biden is spending ninety days in
Cape Town with his wife, Melissa Cohen, who.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Was born for how many days?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Ninety three months?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
For really, I mean, this is crazy buck.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
And what's he having a vacation from because he never
does anything. He's now a proper job since he first
left university and he went and worked in one of
his father's you know donors in Delaware, m NBA or NBNA,
which is a big credit card company that gave him
(04:49):
a job on an inflated salary that he would not
have had if he hadn't been Joe Biden's son. And
he was bored with that, so he just walked away
from it. And ever since, he's just grifted off his
father's name.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
How is the Biden brand doing for the Griff these days? Miranda,
We had a sad story that we had to bring
to this audience that if any of our listeners had
purchased a Hunter Biden oil painting, unfortunately, the value does
not seem to have skyrocketed.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yes, I know it's funny, isn't it. How as soon
as Joe Biden lost power, Hunter Biden suddenly broke. He
can't sell his paintings, No one's buying his awful book.
Funny about that. And they're not giving him jobs. Oligarchs
are not offering him millions of dollars to do nothing.
(05:42):
So he's now crying poor. And he told the court
in California that he couldn't continue with his lawsuit against
Garrett Ziegler and Marco Polo because he just didn't have
the funds to pay lawyer, which sort of made sense
because Abby Lowell is a pretty expensive lawyer who sort
of marshaled all his court cases while Joe Biden was
(06:05):
vice president. But after the pardon, he seemed to vanish
from the scene. And I remember being in court one
time and Abbey Lole was complaining busily about, you know,
being short on resources. So and that was after Kevin Morris,
the Sugar brother, the other lawyer from Hollywood, had said
that he was closing his wallet to Hunter after having
(06:28):
funded his lifestyle for so many years and also paying
off about six million dollars in his tax debts to
the irs. So Kevin Morris has had enough. He's not
spending any more money. And so Hunter had to pay
for his own lawyers, so maybe he stopped paying them
because they didn't show up in California. The judge, I
(06:49):
think the court had sent out an app and finally
Abby Lole popped up and said, oh, I've always been
working for Hunter Biden, but he had not, he had disappeared.
So now he's back on the scene. And you know,
the money just ratchets up every hour that that guy
gets paid. And Hunter Biden is saying he doesn't have
the money, so maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
We're talking to Miranda Divine. I can't get over ninety
day vacation to South Africa.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, look at.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Any idea as Clay no ninety day vacations on this show, Sir,
I I.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Just he doesn't have an actual job, Like what is
he vacationing from? Like this is like how many people
get to go on a three month African safari basically
from not having a job in the first place, Like
how does he need to be able to rest and rehabilitate?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But I will say how much difference is it?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
For you, Miranda, and in just this world that we
live in now to instead of when you're writing articles
during the Biden administration, everyone says, oh, that's made up,
Oh that's not true. To win the New York Post
article that you wrote about Hunter Biden's Secret Service detail
following him to Africa, the Trump team reads it and
(08:02):
they're like, yeah, that's over, We're pulling that. That has
to feel amazing to be able to know that you're
doing good investigative journalism.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And not only is it being widely.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Distributed through the New York Post, which I believe deserves
all the Pulitzers that the what New York Times and
the Washington Post actually got for Russia collusion for what
you wrote about the Hunter Biden laptops. But how much
better does it feel to know that that whatever you
produce can be acted upon and often will be acted
upon by the White House.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, I just have to put in one caveat that
it wasn't really my investigative prowess that got this story.
It was actually Garrett Ziegler micro Polo with their private investigator,
who gave the photographs to Laura Luma, who then very
kindly said that I could use them. So you know,
I didn't really do a hell of a lot myself,
(08:55):
other than I talked to or tried to get the
White House to respond, and also the Department of Homeland
Security and also the Secret Service, and I have to
say they all went to ground. They were not at
all helpful. They sort of tried to gaslight me in
the beginning. Finally, way past my deadline, the Secret Service
(09:17):
spokesman gave me a quote that said, well, we can't
go into methods and blah blah, but we can confirm
that Hunter Biden is a protectee. So I published that quote,
published the story. There's outrage. Our reporters in Washington tried
to get a question in at the White House press
(09:38):
conference but were not called upon. And then later that
day in a gaggle I think at Air Force One,
it was I think a Washington Times reporter actually asked
the President about the Hunter Biden eighteen strong security Secret
Service detail in Cape Town, and Trump said I haven't
(10:01):
heard that before, which I mean, maybe that's the case.
He's very busy, and he said, well, I mean eighteen
that sounds excessive, and I'm going to look at that.
This afternoon, and sure enough, he then pulled not only
the eighteen agents that were with Hunter Biden in Cape Town,
but also thirteen agents he said were assigned to Ashley Biden,
(10:25):
who's Joe Biden's daughter, the only daughter he has with
only child with Joe Biden, Hunter Biden's half sister. And
you know, neither Ashley Biden nor Hunter Biden were eligible
to have Secret Service protection after Joe Biden's term ended.
It's only the children of former presidents up to the
(10:47):
age of sixteen, so there was some And apparently what
I was told off the record was that Joe Biden
made an executive memo before he left office to extend
Sick Service protection for his adult children indefinitely, and nobody
in the Trump administration had stepped in to stop that
(11:08):
until Donald Trump did, until we amplified the work of
Laura Lumer and Marco Poland all.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Right, I've got a question for you, Miranda. I don't
know if you saw, but I'm going to be traveling
on Air Force one with President Trump this weekend to
go to the nc DOUBA wrestling tournaments.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I question for you two. Oh, you're going to be there,
You're going to be on the plane.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
No, I'm not going to be on the plane, but
I'm going to be at the tournament with Tony bob Lynsky,
who's one of the other brilliant whiskele blowers in the
Hunter Biden case.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I didn't feel left out before, Miranda, But you and
Clay taking tequila shots while watching the Ncuba wrestling, I
might have to like hit your riders.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
All right.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, I've never met you in person, Miranda. I was
going to ask you for well, I hope to see
you on Saturday. Then I was going to ask you
for advice. I bet you've been on Air Force one before.
Should I know anything?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yes, I went once about three weeks ago, when I
interviewed President Up. Gosh, just the food is great. I
don't know if you'll have enough time to have a meal.
The presidential suite at the front of the plane is
plush and gorgeous. So I would just keep your eyes peeled.
(12:17):
I didn't because I was so concentrating on my questions.
But keep your eyes peeled for dac Or. I wish
i'd done that. And get a photograph of yourself. Get
the White House photographer to take a photo of you
in his office, in Trump's office on Air Force one,
interviewing him, because that will be a memento for the ages.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I can't well, I'm so excited about getting to go
on Air Force one. I mean again, I just wanted
to ask your advice. By the way, how do you
think I'll be received by the White House press cord?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Do you think they'll be fans?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Well, hopefully you won't be actually with them. They sort
of apart down the back of the plane, and you
probably will get to sit up closer where the staff are,
so that will be most sty and then you'll get
like the first class service, the more comfortable seats, et cetera. Look,
I think probably most of the reporters who are in
the White House school. I know we have a post reporter,
(13:12):
Stephen Nelson's been in that several times. I think most
of them are just professionals who are trying to do
their job. It's only occasionally you'll get someone like that
NPR woman the other day who was so clumsy managing
the boom mic that it basically crashed into Donald Trump's
face and brushed across it. You know, I don't know
(13:35):
whether that was deliberate or not, who knows, but it
was certainly clumsy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I think there are.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
A few real anti Trump people who are in that preschool.
So hopefully on the day that you go, they won't
be there.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Fingers crossed. I'm looking forward to seeing any Saturday. By
the way, Yeah me too.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I hope, I hope we get the chance. I think
there'll be a lot of people there. But Tony Bobolinski
is an absolute legend, Penn State wrestling champion and obviously
whistle blow a champion against the Bidens. He was Hunter
Biden's former business partner and he really went all out
during the campaign to campaign in Pennsylvania to get the
(14:16):
whole Penn State team wrestling team on board with Donald Trump,
which they are, and so we're rooting for Penn State.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Awesome. I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Miranda, keep up the killer work and I hope to
see you this weekend.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah you too, thanks so much to Gays.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
She's done such a good job. You and Miranda did
you hang out this weekend?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know, the buckster getting left getting left behind while
you and Miranda are clinking the champagne glasses flying around
on the jet.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I see how it is, I will say, Miranda, because
you killed it at what was that the New York
speech that you gave, Oh, show it out. But for Buck,
like for me, you oh yeah yeah. She texted me
when you when you were at the.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Metropolitan Republican the Buckster is fantastic at the live events.
Just throwing that out there if any of you who
are looking for a keynote. And I gave a speech
and she missed it, but then we hung out afterwards
and Carries.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well she texted me and said, I heard Buck was
great at his New York speech. I want to be
able to hang out with him. And I was like, well,
I got to get you guys on a text chain
and you guys just went out and party the night away.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know, your boy Buck gets it done. No notes,
no nothing throws down.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's how we do.
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Speaker 2 (15:39):
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
You got to be fast, big Biden to gay student bones.
The Supreme Court told him you can't do it. He
defied him and did it anyway. There was no consequence.
And why Trump won't refuses to defy any of these
district court judges with sure or nobody. And I can
tell you that Roberts looks more like suited to me,
and Coney Barrett looks more like Sandre dal'conna to me.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay, So good questions.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
What Biden kept doing was trying to redefine what was
and was not permissible with student loans. So he just
kept trying to rewrite his student loan forgiveness plan so
that it would marshal with Supreme Court precedent. That is
that backdrop. But he also took cases regularly that he
(17:28):
knew the Supreme Court was going to defy, like for instance, Buck,
if you remember when he was saying, hey, we're going
to extend the moratorium on eviction. He knew it was
not permissible. He did it anyway because he knew it
would take months for the Supreme Court to overturn it.
All true, And now I find out from Clay that
Tim Walls thinks he can beat most of you guys
(17:50):
listening to this in a fight, and so he said,
we got to discuss this.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Those are fighting words all of you. Tim Walls thinks
he can take you. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
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(18:23):
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the Democrats here.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
For a moment. Are still not going so well for them?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Sad, very sad exclamation points sad for Democrats. They have
no leadership to speak of. They are floundering and they
don't have any message. But they do have tim walls.
They've got tim walls for whatever that's worth. First off,
(19:23):
let's start with this one, Clay. We've discussed how there
are all these Democrats now who are celebrating a downturn
in the Tesla stock. Now, I understand you could say, well,
that's just a private company. Why why should that be
any different? Well, because Tesla is doing more for the
electric car market than any other company, and not just
electric cars, battery technology, self driving. It is a game
(19:48):
changer of a company, and it's just one of Elon's companies.
If you pretend to care about climate change, the environment,
et cetera, you should love Tesla. But no, not because
because Elon is two nice Trump cut five. Here, here's
Tim Walltz being being well who he is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Play it. I don't some of you know this on
the iPhone. They've got that little stock gap. I added
Tesla tude to give me a little boost during.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The day.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Two twenty five and dropping. So, and if you own one,
if you own one, we're not blaming you.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
You can you can take dental floss and pull the
Tesla thing off, you know, and take out of just telling.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
You, Okay, Clay, Uh, he's he's a nimrod. I mean, truly,
he's not. People in Minnesota who vote for him should
feel bad about their decision making. Truly, they should be
ashamed to have cast a vote for this. This absolutely,
this abject imbecile. Also, Elon's the richest man in the world.
(20:48):
Do lips just not I know, they complain about billionaires
all the time. Do they really not understand Tesla could
go bankrupt tomorrow. Elon has more money than he will
ever know what to do with, just based on the
other enormously profitable and well and and uh and valuable
companies that he owns. So what do they even think
they're celebrating here that people are losing money on a
(21:08):
great company, that's all American. I mean, well, what what
is the he's so dumb, He's just so he's really dumb.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
But I mean, to me, the the essence of this
buck is if you truly believe in climate change, and
a lot of left wingers do, it is their foundational
belief existential threat.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That is the phrase Obama used it biden us it
meaning it will make us go extinct.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
If that is your calling card, if that is your
north star, I think it's fair to say no one
has ever done more to fight climate change from a
capitalistic perspective in the history of the world than Evon Musk. So,
whether it's solar power, whether it is the UH with
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solar power company that he has, and obviously with Tesla.
So so what you're saying is your Trump derangement is
so significant that it overrides your commitment to the idea
of climate change as an existential threat. So really, what
it tells us is your north star, Your foundational belief
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system is not actually predicated in any way on climate change.
It's just being anti anything Trump or anything connected to Trump,
such that you will destroy your actual foundational belief, which
is rooting for the failure of tesla If in some
way it harms someone who is willing to work to
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try to help Trump be an effective president.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's really what this is all about.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And I think it's pretty staggering, extraordinary and even for Democrats,
off the chart typocritical. Now that wasn't all Timwall said.
He went on with Gavin Newsom and said that he
could kick your ass.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
If you are a Trump supporter, listen and well, this
kick most of their ass. I do think I can
run him.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
But I don't know if we're going to fall into
that place where we want to.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Okay, we challenge you to a do you know a
WWE fight here type of thing?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Okay, Tim Walls could beat most of you listening in
a pie eating contest. I don't think he could beat
you in a fight. Okay, this guy is there's nothing
tough about Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Would you box Tim Walls? What Clay? I would annihilate
Tim Walls? I I think I would. I think I
would annihilate. They would not. I would not.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It would not be I mean he's an old man,
but like Tim Walls in his prime, I would annihilate too.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You had no shot, So is this.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
So this is first of all, I think if we
eliminate women, and I think some of the women out
there could kick Tim Walls's ass. But let's eliminate women
Trump voters. Let's take him at his word. Do you
think Tim Walls could beat fifty point one percent of
Trump voters asses? The only way I could see this
working is if he's only fighting like eighty five year olds.
(24:08):
If you limit it to people within ten years of
his age, so you could be you and I would
be out of that categorization. But basically it would be
you know, people who are fifty to seventy. I think
most average fifty to seventy year olds who voted for
Trump would beat up Tim Walls. If you actually, I
will say this, I think that's true. I will say
this though it is true across the board that men.
(24:31):
This is true of all of us. And I think
Rogan made this point at some point on his podcast
not too long ago. The one area where all men
most dramatically overestimate their ability is if they had to fight.
If they had to fight, and the one thing about
doing a little bit of fight training, like I've done
a little bit of fight training, is you learn very quickly.
Somebody who's actually trained filled. Yeah, you are absolutely toast,
(24:56):
like you have no shot, Like you think, I'm just
gonna get so fired up. It's gonna be like in
the movies. No, you're gonna be on the ground. You're
gonna not know what happened, and you're gonna have a concussion.
Like that's actually the way it goes. And I mean
I've been I've been in a boxing ring with somebody
who is way better than me.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It is not fun.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You feel bad about yourself afterwards, you have a bloody lip,
and you know it's not fun. Right, So these are
things that we all we don't like to think about
this very much. But also, if you're Tim Walls and
you want to be the next president of the United States,
you're the governor of a state.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Like why be like why even get into this?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's the That's the real thing here is I could
cook the rs is like, that's such.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
A lame thing to say. Why go there?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And I think it's because all the jazz hands jokes
that were made on shows like this one bothered him.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I would box Tim Walls. I would do it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Here's the problem I've got, Buck what if I lost,
I think I would have to retire from media. Like
the risk reward of me boxing Tim Walls is I'm
forty five.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
If I beat him, people would be like, yeah, you beat.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Him because you're fifteen years younger and you actually have
functional testosterone and you don't actually do jazz hands or
leg kicks for fun. What if they caught me with
a punch and I lost, I think I would have
to retire from media, Like I don't think. I don't
think I could ever continue to work in media. So
the risk reward here is high. But I would still
(26:20):
box him, I think, because if I lost, I would
just pull a Hunter Biden and go on, you know,
six months vacations for the rest of the world. You
wouldn't be able to find me anywhere. But I do
think your point on this one. I think what they're
trying to do is they recognize that there are virtually
no masculine men in the Democrat Party. And you know
what usually happens when somebody's not actually masculine. You're you're
(26:43):
good at pointing this out, and I've noticed it too,
Like most Navy seals don't walk around like trying to
pick fights with people like they know that they are badasses,
Like they don't feel need to walk into a bar
and bump into somebody to prove that they can kick
their ass. They know it because they're trained in it. Right,
The guy who is actually the least masculine is always
(27:06):
trying to overplay his masculinity.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I think that's what's going on here with Tim
Walls is I think you're right. The insecurity is actually
now coming through on an aggressive level. I mean, if
you're if you're this is my opinion, if you are
fighting someone and it's not for your profession, you know,
like you're in the military or UFC or a box
(27:30):
or whatever, and you are over the age of like
twenty five, you need to look in the mirror and
seriously quite and your own life is not in danger.
Your family's life is not. Like if you get an
actual fist fight over the age of twenty five, as
my opinion, you need to look in the mirror and
be like, what is going on in my life that
(27:51):
I'm getting in fist fights at an advanced age? Right,
twenty five plus, you've probably got something going on, right,
Like the guy who picks fights at the bar is
not a healthy dude. And I feel like Tim Walls
in saying oh I could kick people from Trump voters asses.
First of all, you can't, but secondly, it just feels
desperate to me.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And this is the map.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
This was the guy who was supposed to deliver men
for the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, this is where I think that the humiliation comes in.
Is that? And why this is even something that is
on his mind?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know the idea that Tim Wallas was going to appeal,
let's really just say what it is. They thought that
Tim Walls, by walking around in a car heart jacket
and holding a shotgun like it was his first time
ever doing it, was going to get you know, men
who live in primarily Red states. Yes, so you know
(28:46):
this is we're making generalizations here, right, This is supposed
to be about generalizations.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Men who live in Red.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
States, who maybe work with their hands in some capacity
to earn a living, have callouses on their hands, where
cars are not as some kind of a show piece,
but because that's the clothing and I know the car
it's apparently kind of expensive, but you know, some kind
of workman's jacket and everything else. They thought that Tim
Walls was gonna be able to be the I got
(29:11):
a beer and a shotgun and I like hunting too,
you know, and everyone was like, no, actually, Tim Walls
looks like a guy who claps feverishly for the next
opening night of Hamilton. Like he just doesn't come across.
And part of this is I think the left wing
sort of the left wing identity now which has become
(29:33):
very anti male and anti masculine.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Tim Walls is a lesbian's idea of a man that
would appeal to straight men.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And when you.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Really think about it, that is actually like Tim Walls
looks like the kind of guy that a lesbian would like.
And I don't mean actual lesbian sexually, Like I mean
they think, oh, that's a man, and it didn't work.
And that actually kind of defines the way that women
who run the Democrat Party see men.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The analysis on these five hundred and fifty five stations
is unique.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Sometimes I did.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
To think about it, if you were like, hey, what
kind of person picks Tim Walls to be the avatar
of Democrat masculinity to appeal to men? In Red states
that Tim Walls is who a lesbian would pick. No
offense to lesbians. I love you all there out there listening.
Been a long fan of your work. But in general,
(30:28):
I don't know that lesbians really kind of plug into
the heterosexual male landscape very well.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I still think the Democrats, tim Will have absolutely
no idea of how to deal with their masculinity deficit.
And I think it was our friend Ryan Gerdusky, who
shares the who you Know has the podcast A Numbers Game,
which is on the Clay and Buck Network.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Highly recommend it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think that he showed the numbers recently Clay that
the difference in this election, and I had said this
for a long the difference in the election was actually.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The white vote. Once again.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The actual difference in the aggregate numbers was the change here.
I'll find this for you.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I thought that Gamala actually did better with white voters
in twenty twenty four than Biden did, and that like
was up minimally, maybe not in the battleground states, but
that Trump continued to surge in Hispanic Asian black We'll talk.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
About yo, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
It's also fascinating that Biden's win was entirely based on
a shift in white voters, despite the narrative that it
was a coalition of non whites standing up to white supremacy. Sorry,
so the Biden election was about where white voters. To clarify,
where you know, the white vote determined that election. Actually,
(31:48):
this time around there was a shift because this was
in response to white voters didn't shift at all in
their voting preferences from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four,
while non white voters, is your point, all shifted to
the Republican side.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
So the Democrat Party, we'll talk about this maybe in
the third hour, because the data out there is pretty staggering.
The Democrat Party are effectively the party of white college
educated women. Almost no one else supports them.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
This is that's the key point from the data here
that Ryan was making, which is that they want they
wanted to act like twenty twenty was the minorities and
the oppressed standing up against Trump. No, it's actually just
a lot of white college educated voters. And this time around,
the only movement was in minority voters who went to Trump.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That's right, which created and again it should be a
bigger story than it is, the most racially diverse win
in sixty years in an American presidential election. That is
the least racially divisive win in the history of the
last sixty years since the civil rights movement was Trump
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They're staying committed to DEI and things like that, and
all didn't know about that till this audience told me.
And that's very disappointing. I agree, off Air, I said,
one of the lessons I think of the bud Light
disaster is if your product is really really good, like
you chick fil A is an example. People are going
to keep consuming it no matter what the politics. Buy
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and large of the company is like Chick fil A
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Speaker 1 (35:11):
If you have a truly superior product, you can get
away with a lot. More people drank bud Light because
of the brand it had built as American, it was
marketing over decades. They didn't really I know, sorry not
to offend anybody, They didn't really drink it because they
thought it was the best tasting beer. Clay, we have
a call that we speaking offending people. We need to
take this call. Canon Michigan Kennon Michigan is a retired
(35:35):
baker who wants to weigh in on cobbler gate.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yeah, someone that was working in bakeries for my career,
someone that did go to a culinary school. It was
just the general opinion that cobblers were made by people
who couldn't bake. They lacked the skill to make a
really good pie crust, and so they ended up making
(36:01):
the cobbler.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And that was boo.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
That was just the general opinion of the students and
the teachers that I hung out with.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
And Ken Well, Ken you are clearly an artisan and
a great American and a great baker.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Thank you, sir, play who is fielding calls here? Ken
is a blasphemer. I don't remember the last time we
had a worst call in the history of the show
than Ken off the top rope on cobbler. Makers can't
actually cook. That's no, can't make pie, he said, they
can't make pie crust.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Come on, I'm just look.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Cobbler is superior to the pie. I'm not anti your
apple pies. Nobody loves apple pies and American flags more
than me, But cobbler is far better. Apple cobbler better
than apple pie. I'll go to my grave armor
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we are
joined by our friend Miranda Devine. She has books like
Laptop from How and the Big Guy. Got a great
piece at the New York Post as well, where she's
a columnist on the secret service situation with the Bidens.
The Irs whistleblowers, so much more to talk about, Miranda,
(00:21):
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Let's start with this.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The Irs whistleblowers who are the ones investigating Hunter Biden.
And you were all over that story, as we know,
and this audience will remember you from that. They were
initially ostracized. They have gotten quite a promotion under Trump.
Tell us what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hi, claim, but this is absolutely fantastic news, and really,
I think the first vindication that we've seen in the
Trump administration of these valiant whistle blowers. They were a
number of them who's stuck their head up above the
parapet to warn the American people about various malfeasances under
(01:03):
Joe Biden. And these two guys are IRS investigators, Gary
Shapley and Joe Ziegler. They were the ones who kaibo
washed the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal on his tax crimes
and that was two years since they've been ostracized and
retaliated against by their superiors in the IRS, and so
(01:27):
Scott Bessant, the Treasury Secretary, has just jumped in promoted
both of them to important positions, first of all as
senior advisors in his office helping guide the reform of
the IRS that's going to be pretty radical. And then
after one year they will go back into the agency
(01:49):
in very senior leadership positions. And in fact, just today
Scott Bessant has said that Gary Shapley, who was the
senior Super five Street agent on the Hunter Biden case,
he will be the deputy head of Criminal Investigations at
the IRS.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
There's a lot going on, Miranda, It's like every day
I got to keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But even when it comes.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
To crazy levels of insane corruption, were you blown away
by how many people were protecting Hunter Biden? Because Buck
and I when we had this conversation on the show,
I mean, I was in disbelief, to say nothing of
the fact that he's going on luxurious vacations to South
Africa while he's claiming poverty here in the United States.
(02:40):
And I'm glad by the way that the Trump administration
has pulled the protection of Hunter Biden. But even with
the understanding of how much craziness and wasted funds there
are in the federal government, did it astound you.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
How big the security detail was for Hunter Biden?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Not really, because I have seen him right for instance,
last summer when he was in court in Delaware, in
Wilmington over these gun felonies that he was convicted on.
Every day he would arrive in a gigantic motorcade you know,
of black Secret Service cadillacs with you know, I don't know.
(03:20):
It seemed like vast armies. Donald Trump has said there
were eighteen Secret Service agents with him in South Africa.
That kind of makes sense because he has two agents
assigned to him. His wife, Melissa Cohen, has two agents,
so that's four. You've got three shifts of eight hours,
so you're already up to twelve and then you know
(03:43):
you've got to have extras because they can't be expected
to work seven.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Days a week.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So it kind of makes sense that eighteen agents would
have flown over to South Africa. We're told by Garrett
Ziegler from Marc Po Polo, who's had a private eye
following following Hunter Biden of Hunter Biden suing him, and
he wanted to find out if Hunter Biden was sort
of flouting at the court orders and he Garrett Ziegeler
(04:12):
has said that Hunter Biden is spending ninety days in
Cape Town with his wife, Melissa Cohen, who.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Was born for how many days?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Ninety three months?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
For really, I mean, this is crazy buck.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
And what's he having a vacation from because he never
does anything. He's now a proper job since he first
left university and he went and worked in one of
his father's you know donors in Delaware, m NBA or NBNA,
which is a big credit card company that gave him
(04:49):
a job on an inflated salary that he would not
have had if he hadn't been Joe Biden's son. And
he was bored with that, so he just walked away
from it. And ever since, he's just grifted off his
father's name.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
How is the Biden brand doing for the Griff these days? Miranda,
We had a sad story that we had to bring
to this audience that if any of our listeners had
purchased a Hunter Biden oil painting, unfortunately, the value does
not seem to have skyrocketed.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yes, I know it's funny, isn't it. How as soon
as Joe Biden lost power, Hunter Biden suddenly broke. He
can't sell his paintings, No one's buying his awful book.
Funny about that. And they're not giving him jobs. Oligarchs
are not offering him millions of dollars to do nothing.
(05:42):
So he's now crying poor. And he told the court
in California that he couldn't continue with his lawsuit against
Garrett Ziegler and Marco Polo because he just didn't have
the funds to pay lawyer, which sort of made sense
because Abby Lowell is a pretty expensive lawyer who sort
of marshaled all his court cases while Joe Biden was
(06:05):
vice president. But after the pardon, he seemed to vanish
from the scene. And I remember being in court one
time and Abbey Lole was complaining busily about, you know,
being short on resources. So and that was after Kevin Morris,
the Sugar brother, the other lawyer from Hollywood, had said
that he was closing his wallet to Hunter after having
(06:28):
funded his lifestyle for so many years and also paying
off about six million dollars in his tax debts to
the irs. So Kevin Morris has had enough. He's not
spending any more money. And so Hunter had to pay
for his own lawyers, so maybe he stopped paying them
because they didn't show up in California. The judge, I
(06:49):
think the court had sent out an app and finally
Abby Lole popped up and said, oh, I've always been
working for Hunter Biden, but he had not, he had disappeared.
So now he's back on the scene. And you know,
the money just ratchets up every hour that that guy
gets paid. And Hunter Biden is saying he doesn't have
the money, so maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
We're talking to Miranda Divine. I can't get over ninety
day vacation to South Africa.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, look at.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Any idea as Clay no ninety day vacations on this show, Sir,
I I.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Just he doesn't have an actual job, Like what is
he vacationing from? Like this is like how many people
get to go on a three month African safari basically
from not having a job in the first place, Like
how does he need to be able to rest and rehabilitate?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But I will say how much difference is it?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
For you, Miranda, and in just this world that we
live in now to instead of when you're writing articles
during the Biden administration, everyone says, oh, that's made up,
Oh that's not true. To win the New York Post
article that you wrote about Hunter Biden's Secret Service detail
following him to Africa, the Trump team reads it and
(08:02):
they're like, yeah, that's over, We're pulling that. That has
to feel amazing to be able to know that you're
doing good investigative journalism.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And not only is it being widely.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Distributed through the New York Post, which I believe deserves
all the Pulitzers that the what New York Times and
the Washington Post actually got for Russia collusion for what
you wrote about the Hunter Biden laptops. But how much
better does it feel to know that that whatever you
produce can be acted upon and often will be acted
upon by the White House.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, I just have to put in one caveat that
it wasn't really my investigative prowess that got this story.
It was actually Garrett Ziegler micro Polo with their private investigator,
who gave the photographs to Laura Luma, who then very
kindly said that I could use them. So you know,
I didn't really do a hell of a lot myself,
(08:55):
other than I talked to or tried to get the
White House to respond, and also the Department of Homeland
Security and also the Secret Service, and I have to
say they all went to ground. They were not at
all helpful. They sort of tried to gaslight me in
the beginning. Finally, way past my deadline, the Secret Service
(09:17):
spokesman gave me a quote that said, well, we can't
go into methods and blah blah, but we can confirm
that Hunter Biden is a protectee. So I published that quote,
published the story. There's outrage. Our reporters in Washington tried
to get a question in at the White House press
(09:38):
conference but were not called upon. And then later that
day in a gaggle I think at Air Force One,
it was I think a Washington Times reporter actually asked
the President about the Hunter Biden eighteen strong security Secret
Service detail in Cape Town, and Trump said I haven't
(10:01):
heard that before, which I mean, maybe that's the case.
He's very busy, and he said, well, I mean eighteen
that sounds excessive, and I'm going to look at that.
This afternoon, and sure enough, he then pulled not only
the eighteen agents that were with Hunter Biden in Cape Town,
but also thirteen agents he said were assigned to Ashley Biden,
(10:25):
who's Joe Biden's daughter, the only daughter he has with
only child with Joe Biden, Hunter Biden's half sister. And
you know, neither Ashley Biden nor Hunter Biden were eligible
to have Secret Service protection after Joe Biden's term ended.
It's only the children of former presidents up to the
(10:47):
age of sixteen, so there was some And apparently what
I was told off the record was that Joe Biden
made an executive memo before he left office to extend
Sick Service protection for his adult children indefinitely, and nobody
in the Trump administration had stepped in to stop that
(11:08):
until Donald Trump did, until we amplified the work of
Laura Lumer and Marco Poland all.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Right, I've got a question for you, Miranda. I don't
know if you saw, but I'm going to be traveling
on Air Force one with President Trump this weekend to
go to the nc DOUBA wrestling tournaments.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I question for you two. Oh, you're going to be there,
You're going to be on the plane.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
No, I'm not going to be on the plane, but
I'm going to be at the tournament with Tony bob Lynsky,
who's one of the other brilliant whiskele blowers in the
Hunter Biden case.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I didn't feel left out before, Miranda, But you and
Clay taking tequila shots while watching the Ncuba wrestling, I
might have to like hit your riders.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
All right.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, I've never met you in person, Miranda. I was
going to ask you for well, I hope to see
you on Saturday. Then I was going to ask you
for advice. I bet you've been on Air Force one before.
Should I know anything?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yes, I went once about three weeks ago, when I
interviewed President Up. Gosh, just the food is great. I
don't know if you'll have enough time to have a meal.
The presidential suite at the front of the plane is
plush and gorgeous. So I would just keep your eyes peeled.
(12:17):
I didn't because I was so concentrating on my questions.
But keep your eyes peeled for dac Or. I wish
i'd done that. And get a photograph of yourself. Get
the White House photographer to take a photo of you
in his office, in Trump's office on Air Force one,
interviewing him, because that will be a memento for the ages.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I can't well, I'm so excited about getting to go
on Air Force one. I mean again, I just wanted
to ask your advice. By the way, how do you
think I'll be received by the White House press cord?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Do you think they'll be fans?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Well, hopefully you won't be actually with them. They sort
of apart down the back of the plane, and you
probably will get to sit up closer where the staff are,
so that will be most sty and then you'll get
like the first class service, the more comfortable seats, et cetera. Look,
I think probably most of the reporters who are in
the White House school. I know we have a post reporter,
(13:12):
Stephen Nelson's been in that several times. I think most
of them are just professionals who are trying to do
their job. It's only occasionally you'll get someone like that
NPR woman the other day who was so clumsy managing
the boom mic that it basically crashed into Donald Trump's
face and brushed across it. You know, I don't know
(13:35):
whether that was deliberate or not, who knows, but it
was certainly clumsy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I think there are.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
A few real anti Trump people who are in that preschool.
So hopefully on the day that you go, they won't
be there.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Fingers crossed. I'm looking forward to seeing any Saturday. By
the way, Yeah me too.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I hope, I hope we get the chance. I think
there'll be a lot of people there. But Tony Bobolinski
is an absolute legend, Penn State wrestling champion and obviously
whistle blow a champion against the Bidens. He was Hunter
Biden's former business partner and he really went all out
during the campaign to campaign in Pennsylvania to get the
(14:16):
whole Penn State team wrestling team on board with Donald Trump,
which they are, and so we're rooting for Penn State.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Awesome. I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Miranda, keep up the killer work and I hope to
see you this weekend.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah you too, thanks so much to Gays.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
She's done such a good job. You and Miranda did
you hang out this weekend?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know, the buckster getting left getting left behind while
you and Miranda are clinking the champagne glasses flying around
on the jet.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I see how it is, I will say, Miranda, because
you killed it at what was that the New York
speech that you gave, Oh, show it out. But for Buck,
like for me, you oh yeah yeah. She texted me
when you when you were at the.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Metropolitan Republican the Buckster is fantastic at the live events.
Just throwing that out there if any of you who
are looking for a keynote. And I gave a speech
and she missed it, but then we hung out afterwards
and Carries.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well she texted me and said, I heard Buck was
great at his New York speech. I want to be
able to hang out with him. And I was like, well,
I got to get you guys on a text chain
and you guys just went out and party the night away.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know, your boy Buck gets it done. No notes,
no nothing throws down.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's how we do.
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You got to be fast, big Biden to gay student bones.
The Supreme Court told him you can't do it. He
defied him and did it anyway. There was no consequence.
And why Trump won't refuses to defy any of these
district court judges with sure or nobody. And I can
tell you that Roberts looks more like suited to me,
and Coney Barrett looks more like Sandre dal'conna to me.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay, So good questions.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
What Biden kept doing was trying to redefine what was
and was not permissible with student loans. So he just
kept trying to rewrite his student loan forgiveness plan so
that it would marshal with Supreme Court precedent. That is
that backdrop. But he also took cases regularly that he
(17:28):
knew the Supreme Court was going to defy, like for instance, Buck,
if you remember when he was saying, hey, we're going
to extend the moratorium on eviction. He knew it was
not permissible. He did it anyway because he knew it
would take months for the Supreme Court to overturn it.
All true, And now I find out from Clay that
Tim Walls thinks he can beat most of you guys
(17:50):
listening to this in a fight, and so he said,
we got to discuss this.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Those are fighting words all of you. Tim Walls thinks
he can take you. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
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the Democrats here.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
For a moment. Are still not going so well for them?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Sad, very sad exclamation points sad for Democrats. They have
no leadership to speak of. They are floundering and they
don't have any message. But they do have tim walls.
They've got tim walls for whatever that's worth. First off,
(19:23):
let's start with this one, Clay. We've discussed how there
are all these Democrats now who are celebrating a downturn
in the Tesla stock. Now, I understand you could say, well,
that's just a private company. Why why should that be
any different? Well, because Tesla is doing more for the
electric car market than any other company, and not just
electric cars, battery technology, self driving. It is a game
(19:48):
changer of a company, and it's just one of Elon's companies.
If you pretend to care about climate change, the environment,
et cetera, you should love Tesla. But no, not because
because Elon is two nice Trump cut five. Here, here's
Tim Walltz being being well who he is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Play it. I don't some of you know this on
the iPhone. They've got that little stock gap. I added
Tesla tude to give me a little boost during.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
The day.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Two twenty five and dropping. So, and if you own one,
if you own one, we're not blaming you.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
You can you can take dental floss and pull the
Tesla thing off, you know, and take out of just telling.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
You, Okay, Clay, Uh, he's he's a nimrod. I mean, truly,
he's not. People in Minnesota who vote for him should
feel bad about their decision making. Truly, they should be
ashamed to have cast a vote for this. This absolutely,
this abject imbecile. Also, Elon's the richest man in the world.
(20:48):
Do lips just not I know, they complain about billionaires
all the time. Do they really not understand Tesla could
go bankrupt tomorrow. Elon has more money than he will
ever know what to do with, just based on the
other enormously profitable and well and and uh and valuable
companies that he owns. So what do they even think
they're celebrating here that people are losing money on a
(21:08):
great company, that's all American. I mean, well, what what
is the he's so dumb, He's just so he's really dumb.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
But I mean, to me, the the essence of this
buck is if you truly believe in climate change, and
a lot of left wingers do, it is their foundational
belief existential threat.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That is the phrase Obama used it biden us it
meaning it will make us go extinct.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
If that is your calling card, if that is your
north star, I think it's fair to say no one
has ever done more to fight climate change from a
capitalistic perspective in the history of the world than Evon Musk. So,
whether it's solar power, whether it is the UH with
(21:55):
solar power company that he has, and obviously with Tesla.
So so what you're saying is your Trump derangement is
so significant that it overrides your commitment to the idea
of climate change as an existential threat. So really, what
it tells us is your north star, Your foundational belief
(22:18):
system is not actually predicated in any way on climate change.
It's just being anti anything Trump or anything connected to Trump,
such that you will destroy your actual foundational belief, which
is rooting for the failure of tesla If in some
way it harms someone who is willing to work to
(22:38):
try to help Trump be an effective president.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's really what this is all about.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And I think it's pretty staggering, extraordinary and even for Democrats,
off the chart typocritical. Now that wasn't all Timwall said.
He went on with Gavin Newsom and said that he
could kick your ass.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
If you are a Trump supporter, listen and well, this
kick most of their ass. I do think I can
run him.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
But I don't know if we're going to fall into
that place where we want to.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Okay, we challenge you to a do you know a
WWE fight here type of thing?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Okay, Tim Walls could beat most of you listening in
a pie eating contest. I don't think he could beat
you in a fight. Okay, this guy is there's nothing
tough about Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Would you box Tim Walls? What Clay? I would annihilate
Tim Walls? I I think I would. I think I
would annihilate. They would not. I would not.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It would not be I mean he's an old man,
but like Tim Walls in his prime, I would annihilate too.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You had no shot, So is this.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
So this is first of all, I think if we
eliminate women, and I think some of the women out
there could kick Tim Walls's ass. But let's eliminate women
Trump voters. Let's take him at his word. Do you
think Tim Walls could beat fifty point one percent of
Trump voters asses? The only way I could see this
working is if he's only fighting like eighty five year olds.
(24:08):
If you limit it to people within ten years of
his age, so you could be you and I would
be out of that categorization. But basically it would be
you know, people who are fifty to seventy. I think
most average fifty to seventy year olds who voted for
Trump would beat up Tim Walls. If you actually, I
will say this, I think that's true. I will say
this though it is true across the board that men.
(24:31):
This is true of all of us. And I think
Rogan made this point at some point on his podcast
not too long ago. The one area where all men
most dramatically overestimate their ability is if they had to fight.
If they had to fight, and the one thing about
doing a little bit of fight training, like I've done
a little bit of fight training, is you learn very quickly.
Somebody who's actually trained filled. Yeah, you are absolutely toast,
(24:56):
like you have no shot, Like you think, I'm just
gonna get so fired up. It's gonna be like in
the movies. No, you're gonna be on the ground. You're
gonna not know what happened, and you're gonna have a concussion.
Like that's actually the way it goes. And I mean
I've been I've been in a boxing ring with somebody
who is way better than me.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It is not fun.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You feel bad about yourself afterwards, you have a bloody lip,
and you know it's not fun. Right, So these are
things that we all we don't like to think about
this very much. But also, if you're Tim Walls and
you want to be the next president of the United States,
you're the governor of a state.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Like why be like why even get into this?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's the That's the real thing here is I could
cook the rs is like, that's such.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
A lame thing to say. Why go there?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And I think it's because all the jazz hands jokes
that were made on shows like this one bothered him.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I would box Tim Walls. I would do it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Here's the problem I've got, Buck what if I lost,
I think I would have to retire from media. Like
the risk reward of me boxing Tim Walls is I'm
forty five.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
If I beat him, people would be like, yeah, you beat.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Him because you're fifteen years younger and you actually have
functional testosterone and you don't actually do jazz hands or
leg kicks for fun. What if they caught me with
a punch and I lost, I think I would have
to retire from media, Like I don't think. I don't
think I could ever continue to work in media. So
the risk reward here is high. But I would still
(26:20):
box him, I think, because if I lost, I would
just pull a Hunter Biden and go on, you know,
six months vacations for the rest of the world. You
wouldn't be able to find me anywhere. But I do
think your point on this one. I think what they're
trying to do is they recognize that there are virtually
no masculine men in the Democrat Party. And you know
what usually happens when somebody's not actually masculine. You're you're
(26:43):
good at pointing this out, and I've noticed it too,
Like most Navy seals don't walk around like trying to
pick fights with people like they know that they are badasses,
Like they don't feel need to walk into a bar
and bump into somebody to prove that they can kick
their ass. They know it because they're trained in it. Right,
The guy who is actually the least masculine is always
(27:06):
trying to overplay his masculinity.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I think that's what's going on here with Tim
Walls is I think you're right. The insecurity is actually
now coming through on an aggressive level. I mean, if
you're if you're this is my opinion, if you are
fighting someone and it's not for your profession, you know,
like you're in the military or UFC or a box
(27:30):
or whatever, and you are over the age of like
twenty five, you need to look in the mirror and
seriously quite and your own life is not in danger.
Your family's life is not. Like if you get an
actual fist fight over the age of twenty five, as
my opinion, you need to look in the mirror and
be like, what is going on in my life that
(27:51):
I'm getting in fist fights at an advanced age? Right,
twenty five plus, you've probably got something going on, right,
Like the guy who picks fights at the bar is
not a healthy dude. And I feel like Tim Walls
in saying oh I could kick people from Trump voters asses.
First of all, you can't, but secondly, it just feels
desperate to me.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And this is the map.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
This was the guy who was supposed to deliver men
for the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, this is where I think that the humiliation comes in.
Is that? And why this is even something that is
on his mind?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know the idea that Tim Wallas was going to appeal,
let's really just say what it is. They thought that
Tim Walls, by walking around in a car heart jacket
and holding a shotgun like it was his first time
ever doing it, was going to get you know, men
who live in primarily Red states. Yes, so you know
(28:46):
this is we're making generalizations here, right, This is supposed
to be about generalizations.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Men who live in Red.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
States, who maybe work with their hands in some capacity
to earn a living, have callouses on their hands, where
cars are not as some kind of a show piece,
but because that's the clothing and I know the car
it's apparently kind of expensive, but you know, some kind
of workman's jacket and everything else. They thought that Tim
Walls was gonna be able to be the I got
(29:11):
a beer and a shotgun and I like hunting too,
you know, and everyone was like, no, actually, Tim Walls
looks like a guy who claps feverishly for the next
opening night of Hamilton. Like he just doesn't come across.
And part of this is I think the left wing
sort of the left wing identity now which has become
(29:33):
very anti male and anti masculine.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Tim Walls is a lesbian's idea of a man that
would appeal to straight men.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And when you.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Really think about it, that is actually like Tim Walls
looks like the kind of guy that a lesbian would like.
And I don't mean actual lesbian sexually, Like I mean
they think, oh, that's a man, and it didn't work.
And that actually kind of defines the way that women
who run the Democrat Party see men.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The analysis on these five hundred and fifty five stations
is unique.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Sometimes I did.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
To think about it, if you were like, hey, what
kind of person picks Tim Walls to be the avatar
of Democrat masculinity to appeal to men? In Red states
that Tim Walls is who a lesbian would pick. No
offense to lesbians. I love you all there out there listening.
Been a long fan of your work. But in general,
(30:28):
I don't know that lesbians really kind of plug into
the heterosexual male landscape very well.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I still think the Democrats, tim Will have absolutely
no idea of how to deal with their masculinity deficit.
And I think it was our friend Ryan Gerdusky, who
shares the who you Know has the podcast A Numbers Game,
which is on the Clay and Buck Network.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Highly recommend it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think that he showed the numbers recently Clay that
the difference in this election, and I had said this
for a long the difference in the election was actually.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The white vote. Once again.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The actual difference in the aggregate numbers was the change here.
I'll find this for you.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I thought that Gamala actually did better with white voters
in twenty twenty four than Biden did, and that like
was up minimally, maybe not in the battleground states, but
that Trump continued to surge in Hispanic Asian black We'll talk.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
About yo, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
It's also fascinating that Biden's win was entirely based on
a shift in white voters, despite the narrative that it
was a coalition of non whites standing up to white supremacy. Sorry,
so the Biden election was about where white voters. To clarify,
where you know, the white vote determined that election. Actually,
(31:48):
this time around there was a shift because this was
in response to white voters didn't shift at all in
their voting preferences from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four,
while non white voters, is your point, all shifted to
the Republican side.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
So the Democrat Party, we'll talk about this maybe in
the third hour, because the data out there is pretty staggering.
The Democrat Party are effectively the party of white college
educated women. Almost no one else supports them.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
This is that's the key point from the data here
that Ryan was making, which is that they want they
wanted to act like twenty twenty was the minorities and
the oppressed standing up against Trump. No, it's actually just
a lot of white college educated voters. And this time around,
the only movement was in minority voters who went to Trump.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That's right, which created and again it should be a
bigger story than it is, the most racially diverse win
in sixty years in an American presidential election. That is
the least racially divisive win in the history of the
last sixty years since the civil rights movement was Trump
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They're staying committed to DEI and things like that, and
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And that's very disappointing. I agree, off Air, I said,
one of the lessons I think of the bud Light
disaster is if your product is really really good, like
you chick fil A is an example. People are going
to keep consuming it no matter what the politics. Buy
(35:05):
and large of the company is like Chick fil A
closed on Sunday. They are a religious fast food restaurant.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
If you have a truly superior product, you can get
away with a lot. More people drank bud Light because
of the brand it had built as American, it was
marketing over decades. They didn't really I know, sorry not
to offend anybody, They didn't really drink it because they
thought it was the best tasting beer. Clay, we have
a call that we speaking offending people. We need to
take this call. Canon Michigan Kennon Michigan is a retired
(35:35):
baker who wants to weigh in on cobbler gate.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yeah, someone that was working in bakeries for my career,
someone that did go to a culinary school. It was
just the general opinion that cobblers were made by people
who couldn't bake. They lacked the skill to make a
really good pie crust, and so they ended up making
(36:01):
the cobbler.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And that was boo.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
That was just the general opinion of the students and
the teachers that I hung out with.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
And Ken Well, Ken you are clearly an artisan and
a great American and a great baker.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Thank you, sir, play who is fielding calls here? Ken
is a blasphemer. I don't remember the last time we
had a worst call in the history of the show
than Ken off the top rope on cobbler. Makers can't
actually cook. That's no, can't make pie, he said, they
can't make pie crust.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Come on, I'm just look.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Cobbler is superior to the pie. I'm not anti your
apple pies. Nobody loves apple pies and American flags more
than me, But cobbler is far better. Apple cobbler better
than apple pie. I'll go to my grave armor
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