August 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into two explosive political stories dominating headlines: the DOJ’s grand jury investigation into Russia collusion and the intensifying fallout from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
Clay and Buck break down the latest developments in the Russia collusion probe, highlighting the legal maneuvers and political implications surrounding the Department of Justice’s ongoing efforts. They explore how this investigation fits into the broader landscape of Trump-era legal battles, emphasizing the lack of present-day substance and the procedural nature of the resistance against President Trump.
The hour shifts focus to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, where Representative James Comer’s sweeping subpoenas target a bipartisan list of high-profile figures including Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Merrick Garland, James Comey, Bill Barr, Loretta Lynch, and Eric Holder. The hosts analyze the likelihood of these individuals testifying under oath and debate whether any meaningful accountability will emerge. They also discuss Ghislaine Maxwell’s prison transfer and the controversial idea of pardoning her in exchange for congressional testimony, raising questions about justice, credibility, and the victims’ rights.
Throughout the segment, Clay and Buck offer sharp commentary on the Trump administration’s historic impact, citing record-high tariffs, plummeting net migration, and an unprecedented number of executive orders—all contributing to what CNN itself calls the most influential presidency of the century. They compare Trump’s leadership to sports legends like Tom Brady and Michael Jordan, arguing that his performance is dynastic and unmatched in modern political history.
Listeners are invited to weigh in via call-ins and VIP emails, with one notable message urging aggressive legal countermeasures against Democrats. The hosts respond with realism, emphasizing the strategic restraint and long-game thinking behind Trump’s approach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We have
been discussing the potential on the grand jury investigation on
Russia collusion. Lots of you still weighing in on that.
We will continue to break down more on that as
we move forward, But there also is additional ridiculous ongoing
(00:24):
outcomes associated with the Epstein fallout, the Epstein continued investigation,
so I figure we should go ahead and give you
the latest on this as well. Representative James Comer has
subpoenaed the following people, President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State
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Hillary former Secretary of State obviously Hillary Clinton, and others.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Let me hit you some of these. Merrick Garland, James Comy,
Bill Barr, Alberto Gonzalez both these are both Republican and
Democrat Attorney Generals, Robert Mueller, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder. All
of these people being called for deposition through subpoena Bill
(01:15):
Clinton October fourteenth, Hillary Clinton October ninth, and then basically
every attorney general. It looks like nearly of the past
twenty years, all of them being put under oath relating
to the Epstein case. I guess the one detail that
we really haven't talked very much about we don't know
what the only person ever convicted in the Epstein case,
(01:38):
Julane Maxwell, told the Deputy Attorney General when she was interviewed.
We do know that they have moved her from Tallahassee
to a lower security prison in Texas. I believe that
is the latest on Epstein. I don't know what the
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expectation is at this point, but they're going to put
everybody under oath and probably ask them what they knew
about Jeffrey Epstein. And that is now scheduled to be
happening in September and October on Capitol Hill. What's your
take on this buck not gonna happen, meaning no additional
(02:21):
charges are coming.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And should I start just saying it's gonna happen just
because people are gonna get mad at me.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Maybe it just started.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's all gonna the justice will be done.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I mean, I just don't think that you're gonna get
these these the kind of people you're talking about, these names, Yeah,
this is It's just I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
My concern on Epstein is I feel like we are
trending towards a place where it's more likely that Julane
Maxwell is pardoned and nobody ever goes to prison for
anything related to Epstein than there are other people who
are charged with crime.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
What is the rationale for even a conversation about her
being pardoned? So it's a fantastic question, And I think
what the pardon would potentially entail is, Hey, we're going
to pardon you from all crimes, and then we will
bring you in and put you in front of Congress
(03:22):
of a committee, and you will answer every question under
the sun about Epstein. So I have a question about
that rationale, which I think you've just established what it is.
She didn't do that before she.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Was facing twenty five years in federal prison.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Everybody, she wasn't willing to give up the goods to
avoid going away for a few decades previously. Come on, everybody,
let's you know, let's let's let's be real on this one.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Now, all of a sudden, she's got all the stuff
and she's gonna lay it all out there.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
The only now, the only one I think you agree
with me that that's the rationale for the only reason
that there would be any reason to get her a pardon.
The other one would be some people would say she
did no.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Crimes and she was the fall girl in this context,
But she was convicted by a jury after a criminal
trial of sex trafficking on behalf of Epstein. So you're
then tossing the jury's conviction out the window and saying, oh,
the jury got it wrong if you are saying that
she was the fall girl as it were for the
(04:25):
larger Epstein crimes.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So this is something buck that I think nobody ever mentions,
and I do think it's significant, and we talked about
it on this program, and I haven't heard anybody else
even talk about it. People say, well, what about all
the victims, what about all the victims of Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Don't they deserve justice? All those things I think are
very true.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Around one hundred and twenty five or one hundred and
thirty Jeffrey Epstein alleged victims in civil court sued and
got paid almost five hundred million dollars. So it's like
the civil cases settlements no one ever mentioned. So for
people out there who say, wait, what about all these
people that were victimized by Jeffrey Epstein, they allowed all
(05:05):
of them to come forward tell their stories, and nearly
five hundred million dollars in settlements from Epstein's estate and
other banks that had advised him were paid out. So
I just think when you look at this larger mushroom cloud,
Epstein is dead. We all agree on that. So then
what we know. I don't think there's very many people
(05:27):
who think Epstein still alive, although I do sometimes here
for people, you know, he's not really dead.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I don't know what. I haven't heard that, but I
heard on the internet.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yes, yeah, I you know. I Just the other thing is,
if you have Gilenn Maxwell and she's going to testify
in some way, it would just you know, what is
the process here through which she's going to say things
about people that will then be considered So is her
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word credible enough to to indict or or destroy a person?
I mean, that's really what we're talking about here. And
we're going to believe that this person who has been
convicted for sex trafficking, who then is pardoned on the
idea that she's then going to tell us the whole
truth and nothing but the truth. That's a tremendous amount
of power you're giving this woman then to decide who
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gets destroyed and who doesn't based on her word that
they did something, that someone did something illicit as part
of the Epstein ring. You see what I'm saying, And no,
I get it. So I just to me, we we've
looked at we went down this pathway, and there was
an opportunity for her to avoid any prison time I
(06:39):
would assume, or at least far substantial farce reduced from
what she got if she would just name the names.
And then there's the opportunity to go get evidence and
bring indictments. But what is supposed to I don't see
how this is supposed to work. That you're gonna someone's
gonna Trump is gonna pardon her. Then she's gonna come
forward and she's gonna say, oh, guess what, Epstein's the
(07:02):
only person who committed any sex crimes. And then what
I just come back And again I don't know why this.
I think probably because it's sealed, but for everybody out there,
because I do think this is the most compelling argument.
If you're out there and you're saying, hey, what about
all these people who were victims of Epstein? Did they
not deserve justice? I think that's a very They got
a lot of money, So that's part one of it.
(07:22):
They got five hundred million dollars. I'm assuming all of
that is sealed.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But as part of the way that they distributed the
five hundred million dollars, they had to determine why some
people were paid some amounts and others were paid lesser amounts. Right,
they didn't all get the same amount, So in theory
there was a culpability associated with that, and if there
were criminal charges that could have come. They did a
(07:46):
court investigation on the civil side that I would think
would be accessible and able to be reviewed, and I
can't imagine they just didn't charge people.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
So the reason why I bring.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
All this up is basically feels to me, you tell
me if you disagree on this buck. As we are
now in the summer of Trump two point zero, Democrats
really don't have anything to attack him on on the economy.
They don't really have anything to attack him on. On
the border. They can say, hey, Ice is you know,
taking too many people out of the country, but that
(08:19):
hasn't really worked. Crime is plummeting nationwide. I mean, this
is a very good thing. And so it seems like
we're just engaged in a lot of legal procedural battles
that is the resistance two point zero Epstein's part of them.
There's punches being thrown on the other side related to
Russia collusion. There's the ongoing battles over birthright citizenship and
(08:41):
what exactly are the limits of the president's powers when
it comes to tariffs. It feels to me, tell me
if you disagree, like every day when it comes to
Trump opposition, it's just some federal district court judge or
some older criminal related conspiracy examination that is largely being examined.
(09:03):
Almost nothing is present day. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's like we're relitigating all of the controversies of the
Trump era now in real time, and much of the
actual work that's being done on a day to day
basis isn't really being talked or acknowledged in any kind
of substantial way.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think part of this is because the Trump administration
has been so successful so far that they've had to
get very creative in the ways that they creative is
a kind way of saying it. Attack the administration. I
think also the administration stumbled here with the peat with
the public relations aspect and the transparency aspect of promising
(09:43):
big rep We've gone over this a million times. Okay,
already the public relations component of the full you know,
the binders, the influencers, the big stuff is coming. It's
on my desk and everything else. And then actually no
additional charges and really no additional information is going to
be released. That was That was a bait and switch,
and people recognize it as such. Whether I mean, do
(10:05):
you even think that these individuals are going to some
of them, you're gonna subpoenal Loretta Lynch? I mean, what
do you think is gonna be said by her about this?
I just I think they're all gonna Here's what I
would advise. I mean, I would tell them all to
take the fifth. I don't see how they gain at
all by even answering questions what I'm saying. Well, so
like Loretta Lynch, like, you're gonna do you think she's
(10:27):
gonna sit there and be like, you know what, I
was part of a big conspiracy to cover up the
Epstein stuff because of the high level democrats that were
you know, implicated in the in the sex ring. No,
it's not gonna happen. So to your point, people are
now doing things to do things they're doing things to
say I'm doing a thing. What is the end result
of that thing going to be? Unless the people that
(10:49):
they're subpoenaing are total morons, nothing, that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like, do you think that Bill Clinton's gonna say, under oath,
I love sleeping with fifteen year old girls that Jeffrey
Epstein provides for me. I think that's highly unlikely. Do
you think that Hillary Clinton's going to say, Hey, we
knew that there were tons of really powerful people who
had relations with Jeffrey Epstein in some way, and we
(11:13):
covered up all their crimes. I suspect that they will
have a written statement prepared by their four thousand dollars
an hour attorney that represents whatever they want to put
on the public record.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
They will read.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
It and then they will say, this is all I'm
going to say, and maybe they fight whether the subpoena
is even valid. By the way, every Attorney General, Bill Barr,
you think Bill Barr was covering up Epstein related crimes.
I mean, they got every attorney general Democrat and Republican
basically of the last twenty years, and they're going to
call them in and aggressively question them on Epstein. I mean,
(11:50):
I think Epstein was to be fair. When you're the
attorney general, there are so many cases that you are
monitoring on a day to day basis that I bet
Bill Barr spent like zero point one percent of his
time as attorney general. If that relating to anything having
to do with Epstein, that would be my guess. And
so anyway, I think the result of the miscommunication is
(12:15):
now that there is a flood the zone strategy where
you try to get as much information out as you
possibly can. But I just don't think there's much there there,
But I do want to. I mean, this is getting
a lot of attention today. Comer has subpoenaed all these people,
and they're all going to be brought in over the
next couple of months, and I imagine every day that
they talk, there will be in some way big stories
(12:37):
about the fact that they're going to talk. And then
I think that there's likely to be very little that
is actually newsworthy that comes out of their under a testimony.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
That's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Maybe I'm wrong, and we shall see perhaps something big breaks.
This is where I do think I never would have
believed Buck that I would go to law school and
basically every case that now we just talk about is well,
that depends on what the courts are going to do.
That depends on what the judges are going to do.
This is basically Trump two point zero. There is no
(13:08):
overarching opposition to him outside of the existing court systems. Indeed,
I want to tell you as we go to break here,
by the way, you guys are welcome to weigh in.
I don't think there's anything else out there that we
are missing. But I did want to hit both of
these big stories because again it is the DOJ Grand
(13:29):
jury relating to Russia collusion and the subpoenas going out
relating to Epstein are receiving massive amounts of attention out there.
But I don't know that there's some huge revelatory moment
that's going to come. But you guys are alleged to
you guys can dive in and figure out whether or
not you think there's something that we're missing here.
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Speaker 2 (15:11):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck taking slings and arrows
from the disappointment over the predictions that have been made
on accountability today.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Sorry, I don't know, Maybe maybe I just go all in.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Like they're all going down, Obama, Bread and Clapper, They're
they're getting sent to prison, and all the Epstein people
are going they're also gonna, you know, whoever is involved,
they're all gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I wish this would be great, but I think unfortunately
that's setting up a lot of people for for disappointment.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But well, let's take a look at this and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just I would ask this, we should we should
establish a ground rule here if you're going to write
it in an email or call and say that I
or Clay are just outrageously wrong on this issue in
twenty twenty six and when nothing has happened, it's like
the start of the new and this has gone nowhere.
If that is what happens, you have to call in
or email in and be like, wow, you guys are right,
Thank you for being intellectually honest with us and respecting
(16:08):
all of us and caring about you know, setting the
table with what you think to be the facts and
the likelihood and not doing any of that other nonsense.
I see, you know the online right, people are saying
crazy stuff all the time to get attention, and then
there's no accountability when what they say doesn't doesn't come through.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, what's the biggest whiff we've had in four years?
I whiffed on I really thought mid terms that elections.
That's the only really big, really big whiff. I mean,
you know, that was the only one that I and
and we explained that one. And actually there was a
red wave. It just didn't hit where it needed to
hit in order for it to give the control of
the house back and the things we wanted.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
But I was a whiff in which that it was
a whiff. Other than that, we haven't wiffed, right, and
four years big one? Yeah, And so look, I would
and I think people can ask questions because I do
nailed this last election, by the way. Yeah my concern here,
People say, okay, what's the concern? It feels to me, like, remember,
(17:08):
I know you remember this well, the summer before nine
to eleven happened, and I hope I'm wrong. Everybody was
obsessed with things that, in the grand scheme of things,
were not hugely important stories. It was in DC because
I was there. What happened to Chandra Levy. Some of
you will remember her. She was an intern. It was
(17:29):
an obsession in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It was.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
It was sort of side show Carnival Theater. And then
nine to eleven happened, and suddenly everything got really serious.
Because wasn't she assaulted by an illegal? Assaulted and killed
by an illegal? Or am I misremembering that? They found
that out. You're right, Like a decade later they found
her body in Rock Creek Park. It was let's let's
come back to that, because I think it's interesting. My
(17:55):
concern is we're headed for something serious.
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Speaker 3 (18:55):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, We're going to Break.
I was talking about how I remember it's been a
long time now. Summer of two thousand and one, everything
was rolling. There was a lot of scandal. You had
coming off of the Bill Clinton affair with an intern.
You had the Chandra Levy drama. She was another in
(19:16):
turn allegedly having an affair with a politician. I think
it was a Republican politician, if I remember Gary Condit.
And it turned out she just got murdered randomly in
Rock Creek Park. It was the obsession of DC in
the summer of two thousand and one. Then nine to
eleven happened, and it turned out that there were a
lot of people asleep at the wheel, not paying attention
(19:39):
to what the real danger was. My concern right now
is a lot of this looking back, and I get
that it's significant.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, it was in fact an illegal immigrant, an illegal
alien who killed Schondra Levy just she was just jogging
my recollection buck is in Rock Creek Park. They never
found her body for like a decade, and then years
later they suddenly discovered, oh, she had been murdered. They
eventually found the guy who had killed her. My point
on that is just his conviction was actually overturned and
(20:11):
charges were later dropped, and then he was deported to
El Salvador. No, I didn't follow that. I didn't follow
that aspect of this just happened in twenty seventeen. I
didn't not know about that. Okay, Hum, Anyways, sorry, just
updating that it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Is some of you will remember that story.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I got a lot of attention, and then nine to
eleven happened, and basically nobody cared about Chandra Levy and
Gary Cohn did or any of that drama, or for
that matter, hardly anything else that was going on. And
obviously that was coming out of a lot of consequential issues,
the two thousand election, the battle that we saw there,
all of those things. My point on this is, my
concern is that there are a lot of people who
(20:49):
want to do us ill and want to take advantage
of us. My hope is that in focusing on all
of these external factors that oftentimes are dating back a
decade or more, we aren't missing a new looming danger
that is out there that is far more consequential that
we'll look back on and say, boy, I wish we
(21:11):
had had the intelligence agencies focused on the future instead
of the past. Now positive positive here. This is pretty
extraordinary what Trump is doing. We have talked about economy,
border crime, economy, border crime. He is delivering on a
high level. And it's not just us telling you this.
(21:31):
I was watching this over the weekend. I believe Harry
Enton came in and said, the Trump administration is the
most influential this century and maybe going back decades and
decades into last century in terms of the changes that
they are implementing and the policy perspectives they're putting in place.
(21:52):
Cut twenty six. This is CNN.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
The Donald Trump administration is arguably the most influential this
century and probably well dating back a good portion of
the last century as well. Trump is remaking in the
United States of America. Let's talk about tariffs first, right,
there's all this talk that Donald Trump always chickens out
when it comes to taris uh uh no tacos for Trump.
The effective tariff ray get this eighteen percent, the highest,
(22:16):
the highest since the FDR administration in the nineteen thirties,
up from get this, just two percent last year, from
just two percent last year. We're talking about a level
an effective tariff raith level get this nine times as
high this year than last year. But is not just
on tariffs, which of course Donald Trump ran on, in
which you're seeing a tremendously influential presidency.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
What about immigration.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Of course Trump ran and has always run on a
very hawkish immigration platform. Get this twenty twenty five. Net
migration in the United States down at least sixty percent
from last year. In fact, we may be heading for
the first time and at least fifty years in which
we have negative net negative migration into the United States.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He's doing so much buck that I feel oftentimes we're
getting bogged down in the in the muck and not
recognizing some of the massive, substantial changes.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Here's one more clip. Trump is remaking the country via
executive orders more. I think you can go back now
one hundred years to FDR. I think you can argue
that Trump is the most consequential president since FDR. Not
saying I one hundred percent agree with that. I think
you can make that historic argument. That's the one CNN's making.
Cut twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
We're talking about immigration, migration, We're talking about the effective
tariff rate. But get this, how is Donald Trump doing it?
While he is signing a ton of executive orders? Get this,
one hundred and eighty the most in a year since
Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Oh my goodness, you have to go
back to the first half of the twentieth century, the
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last century, and to make a comparison. Joe Biden signed
get this, just seventy seven during his entire first year,
and we're only a little bit in August so far,
and Donald Trump making history with one hundred and eighty
one hundred and eighty executive orders signed so far this year.
So that's why I said that, in my mind, Donald
Trump is the most influential president of this century and
(24:17):
probably dating back a good portion of the last century.
That is because he is remaking the country in terms
of tariffs, he is remaking the country in terms of
net migration, and he is remaking the country in terms
of how much policy changes he's putting through in executive orders.
As I said, it truly is history making.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
When see an in saying it, buck, I think it
is representative of just how much he's delivering on so
far in the first six months of his presidency, the
likes of which, frankly, we may not have seen in
anybody's life who's out there listening to us right now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Sometimes I think that gets missed.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, I think that the presidency of Donald Trump so
far has been remarkably successful, as we've discussed many times,
and has already racked up some wins that I think
outpaced what a lot of Trump supporters even thought was possible.
The border is the best example of this, But even
so far, what we've seen on tariffs and the trade
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agreements that he's been able to hammer out, this has beat.
It's one thing to beat expectations of that.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Trump is hitler, the sky is falling, like.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We expect that. He's of course better than they say
he's going to be, because they say.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
He's the worst president in history.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But people who say Trump is great, for them to say, wow,
he's even going beyond what I thought was possible in
the first seven months of his presidency is an indicator
of just how well it is going on things that
really matter to people in their day to day lives,
and that's including a whole range of things. Now I
understand the jobs report was a little weak. Trump is
(25:52):
very fired up saying that he doesn't think that that's
a fair assessment. One thing that doesn't get talked about
enough is that jobs are going to a mariera. That's
something that I think everybody should meaning a lot of
the job growth that is happening in this country, it
is going to people who are supposed to be in
America and not illegals. That's a good thing, and that's
something that is happening more and more because of this presidency.
(26:16):
So while there are some areas of frustration, as there
always will be with any administration, and there are some
things that people want to see move faster or even
move a little bit differently, so far, I think it
has been a very successful presidency. And the best way
to maybe put a bow in the cap here I
don't know. I was trying to think of some analogy there,
(26:38):
but the best way to finish this off would just
be to say, if there was.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Some gaping wound in the.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Trump administration thus far, some huge failure of policy, if
we were in World War three or something like it
because of it roun, It's all you would be hearing about.
If we had gotten entangled in some foreign warm, we
were having Americans come home in body bags, is all
you would be hearing about. Every single day. What are
you hearing about when it comes to attacking Trump?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Eh, you know, I don't think they've been able to
even land a punch on him.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I look, they've tried to say, hey, he's responsible for
what's going on on Gaza. I think that's hard to
put on Trump. They tried to say he hasn't ended
the war in Ukraine and Russia. Yet again, I think
that's hard to put on Trump. The only real thing
is the resistance two point zero.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Through the judiciary.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I mean, I will play some of these cuts for you,
but calling him hitler the attacks, I just I think
Democrats increasingly are kind of throwing up their hands. Now
if they win the House, will they impeach him?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Probably? Will that have any impact at all? No, It'll be.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Funny, though, is watching like watching MSNBC and The New
York Times act like impeachment three? This time it's real,
you know, it's it's gonna be like a really bad
sequel to a movie that never should have been made
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Like now the walls are really closing in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well, I don't even know what the ground mel impeach
him four? As is right? I mean, and it is
true that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Can I point?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Can I Can I bring actually, Clay, I want to
bring a VIP email into the mix here on this,
because we're getting a lot of VIP emails from this
And again I'm just telling you what we think, and
Clay and I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
We don't even coordinate on.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
These things before, Like the show, we'll talk about topics,
but we're not having long conversations about where we're gonna.
You know, we're both just being honest with you about
I don't even think the subpoena is that Homer's putting
out that those aren't even gonna those testimonies aren't even
gonna happen for the most part. Okay, that's just the truth.
It's just the truth. So you can get mad at
me or whatever. But if you're mad at me today
(28:48):
in six months, when you know that I'm right, please
say thank you Buck.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
For telling us what you knew was true.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The other stuff, some of the other stuff, I'm not
you know, the grand jury, I said on Will's Show yesterday,
Will kne Show yesterday and Fox, that's a big step
that indicates maybe something is going to happen there. But
Joseph our VP sent us this, and I think this
is an important point to keep in mind with all
of this stuff here, he writes, please stop saying that
nothing is going to work. How many charges were brought
(29:15):
against Trump, how many were legit How much for Trump
in legal fees? You guys are so bad at Lawfair
start suing Obama into the poorhouse. Okay, let's just take
a step back. What happened after all the stuff they
did to Trump? Okay, let's take a moment here. They
did all this stuff to Trump, and what happened. He
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won the election. He smoked everybody in the primary, he
crushed the opposition of the general election, and is the
most powerful president of our lifetimes. And the Democrat Party
is still licking their wounds. So keep in mind that
this lawfair stuff that they did, as annoying and underhanded
as it was, got absolutely steamrolled. All of it absolutely steamrolled.
So the notion that this is some secret weapon that
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Trump is refusing to use for his part, ignores the
recent history of it. Got completely crushed. Trump stopped this
thing under his heel like a little squishy bug. Okay,
remember that, everybody, Remember what just happened. Yeah, it actually
benefited him. And in fact, if you could go into
(30:21):
a multiverse world, what would the election in twenty twenty
four have looked like if Democrats had just said, Hey,
we're gonna run against Trump, but we're not going to
put law fair in play. Right, they hadn't ever rated
mar A Lago. They hadn't ever brought charges on the
bookkeeping in New York City, they hadn't filed charges in Atlanta,
(30:41):
and the ridiculous Fanny Willis case.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
None of that had happened.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Jack Smith never took an came in as a special
counsel and tried to prosecute. I think it would have
hurt Trump, and I think it's actually a good lesson
that to Buck's point here, Trump actually has made billions
of dollars in retrospect. The other thing is, you're not
gonna bankrupt Barack Obama in America ed dollars. Every lawyer
(31:11):
in America, just about who is on the East Coast
wants to rep Barack Obama for free. Yes, I mean,
and most of these guys are super wealthy and will
get incredible uh representation. It'll all be paid for by donors.
I just again, I think the historical record matters, but
(31:32):
I think the idea of people going to prison is
going to be very difficult to pull off.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I think that Trump is going through this process with
his hand picked team in his second administration.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
There's some there's some on the right play.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know, they're very much disagree with you and me,
but on some of this stuff, they're actually disagreeing with Trump.
Keep that in mind. Okay, he's making these calls, he's
making these decisions, and look at how often he has
been right and has seen his way through and everything else.
So when I'm saying, hey, I think Pambon is hanlings
this way, this is how this is going to go,
(32:08):
and someone is writing in and telling us, Hey, here's
what you guys should be saying they should do the following,
keep in mind Trump and his team are not doing
the following. Whatever it may be, they're doing it this way.
Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe they have some
understanding and I think we all know they do of
what the political dynamics are here and what benefits the administration.
(32:29):
So and nobody wants justice and vengeance more than Trump
for what was done to him, but I think he
understands the big picture here.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Let me give you a sports analogy as we got
to break, because I think it's a good one. Basically,
Trump is Tom Brady with the New England Patriots or
Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls in the midst of
an unbelievable dynasty. Can you quibble with some of the
decisions that Tom Brady or Michael Jordan make on a
(33:01):
play by play basis?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Should you also at times just sit back and be like, damn,
I'm glad I get to watch this mostly.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's kind of the way I feel right now about
Trump two point zero is if you were a Patriots
fan during the Brady dynasty or you were a Bulls
fan during the Jordan dynasty, I don't want to nitpick
because Jordan should have passed instead of taken a jumper.
He's still Jordan. Yeah, Brady might miss a deep ball
every now and then, but he's still the greatest who
ever do it. What we're seeing right now, in my
(33:31):
opinion from a sports analogy perspective, is Brady and Jordan,
like from the Trump team, they're performing at a dynastic level.
So I think a lot of people who are nitpicking
are missing the larger success. And you're gonna be twenty
years from now, you're gonna be sitting back like man,
I would give anything to have Trump two point oho underway.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's my thoughts. That's kind of the way I feel
about analyzing things right now. Well, I don't know if
we can discount JD. Vance's second term so quickly, Clay.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
But nonetheless, I hope, by the way, we have unbelievable
presidents still to come. I wake up every day still
with a smile on my face because I know Trump
is doing exactly what he said he was gonna do,
and I don't know that we've ever had.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
A president like this.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
There's also a lot of stuff that he does that
I haven't even thought should be done by a president
that I really like, and that has never happened before.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I remember the Bush years. I was like, can you
just do the obvious smart thing?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You imbecile?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Can you just do this?
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Speaker 3 (36:08):
We'll get into some of that.
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So that's a that's a good topical topical topic. That
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We have
been discussing the potential on the grand jury investigation on
Russia collusion. Lots of you still weighing in on that.
We will continue to break down more on that as
we move forward, But there also is additional ridiculous ongoing
(00:24):
outcomes associated with the Epstein fallout, the Epstein continued investigation,
so I figure we should go ahead and give you
the latest on this as well. Representative James Comer has
subpoenaed the following people, President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State
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Hillary former Secretary of State obviously Hillary Clinton, and others.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Let me hit you some of these. Merrick Garland, James Comy,
Bill Barr, Alberto Gonzalez both these are both Republican and
Democrat Attorney Generals, Robert Mueller, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder. All
of these people being called for deposition through subpoena Bill
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Clinton October fourteenth, Hillary Clinton October ninth, and then basically
every attorney general. It looks like nearly of the past
twenty years, all of them being put under oath relating
to the Epstein case. I guess the one detail that
we really haven't talked very much about we don't know
what the only person ever convicted in the Epstein case,
(01:38):
Julane Maxwell, told the Deputy Attorney General when she was interviewed.
We do know that they have moved her from Tallahassee
to a lower security prison in Texas. I believe that
is the latest on Epstein. I don't know what the
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expectation is at this point, but they're going to put
everybody under oath and probably ask them what they knew
about Jeffrey Epstein. And that is now scheduled to be
happening in September and October on Capitol Hill. What's your
take on this buck not gonna happen, meaning no additional
(02:21):
charges are coming.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And should I start just saying it's gonna happen just
because people are gonna get mad at me.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Maybe it just started.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's all gonna the justice will be done.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I mean, I just don't think that you're gonna get
these these the kind of people you're talking about, these names, Yeah,
this is It's just I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
My concern on Epstein is I feel like we are
trending towards a place where it's more likely that Julane
Maxwell is pardoned and nobody ever goes to prison for
anything related to Epstein than there are other people who
are charged with crime.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
What is the rationale for even a conversation about her
being pardoned? So it's a fantastic question, And I think
what the pardon would potentially entail is, Hey, we're going
to pardon you from all crimes, and then we will
bring you in and put you in front of Congress
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of a committee, and you will answer every question under
the sun about Epstein. So I have a question about
that rationale, which I think you've just established what it is.
She didn't do that before she.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Was facing twenty five years in federal prison.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Everybody, she wasn't willing to give up the goods to
avoid going away for a few decades previously. Come on, everybody,
let's you know, let's let's let's be real on this one.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Now, all of a sudden, she's got all the stuff
and she's gonna lay it all out there.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
The only now, the only one I think you agree
with me that that's the rationale for the only reason
that there would be any reason to get her a pardon.
The other one would be some people would say she
did no.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Crimes and she was the fall girl in this context,
But she was convicted by a jury after a criminal
trial of sex trafficking on behalf of Epstein. So you're
then tossing the jury's conviction out the window and saying, oh,
the jury got it wrong if you are saying that
she was the fall girl as it were for the
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larger Epstein crimes.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So this is something buck that I think nobody ever mentions,
and I do think it's significant, and we talked about
it on this program, and I haven't heard anybody else
even talk about it. People say, well, what about all
the victims, what about all the victims of Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Don't they deserve justice? All those things I think are
very true.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Around one hundred and twenty five or one hundred and
thirty Jeffrey Epstein alleged victims in civil court sued and
got paid almost five hundred million dollars. So it's like
the civil cases settlements no one ever mentioned. So for
people out there who say, wait, what about all these
people that were victimized by Jeffrey Epstein, they allowed all
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of them to come forward tell their stories, and nearly
five hundred million dollars in settlements from Epstein's estate and
other banks that had advised him were paid out. So
I just think when you look at this larger mushroom cloud,
Epstein is dead. We all agree on that. So then
what we know. I don't think there's very many people
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who think Epstein still alive, although I do sometimes here
for people, you know, he's not really dead.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I don't know what. I haven't heard that, but I
heard on the internet.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yes, yeah, I you know. I Just the other thing is,
if you have Gilenn Maxwell and she's going to testify
in some way, it would just you know, what is
the process here through which she's going to say things
about people that will then be considered So is her
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word credible enough to to indict or or destroy a person?
I mean, that's really what we're talking about here. And
we're going to believe that this person who has been
convicted for sex trafficking, who then is pardoned on the
idea that she's then going to tell us the whole
truth and nothing but the truth. That's a tremendous amount
of power you're giving this woman then to decide who
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gets destroyed and who doesn't based on her word that
they did something, that someone did something illicit as part
of the Epstein ring. You see what I'm saying, And no,
I get it. So I just to me, we we've
looked at we went down this pathway, and there was
an opportunity for her to avoid any prison time I
(06:39):
would assume, or at least far substantial farce reduced from
what she got if she would just name the names.
And then there's the opportunity to go get evidence and
bring indictments. But what is supposed to I don't see
how this is supposed to work. That you're gonna someone's
gonna Trump is gonna pardon her. Then she's gonna come
forward and she's gonna say, oh, guess what, Epstein's the
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only person who committed any sex crimes. And then what
I just come back And again I don't know why this.
I think probably because it's sealed, but for everybody out there,
because I do think this is the most compelling argument.
If you're out there and you're saying, hey, what about
all these people who were victims of Epstein? Did they
not deserve justice? I think that's a very They got
a lot of money, So that's part one of it.
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They got five hundred million dollars. I'm assuming all of
that is sealed.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But as part of the way that they distributed the
five hundred million dollars, they had to determine why some
people were paid some amounts and others were paid lesser amounts. Right,
they didn't all get the same amount, So in theory
there was a culpability associated with that, and if there
were criminal charges that could have come. They did a
(07:46):
court investigation on the civil side that I would think
would be accessible and able to be reviewed, and I
can't imagine they just didn't charge people.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
So the reason why I bring.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
All this up is basically feels to me, you tell
me if you disagree on this buck. As we are
now in the summer of Trump two point zero, Democrats
really don't have anything to attack him on on the economy.
They don't really have anything to attack him on. On
the border. They can say, hey, Ice is you know,
taking too many people out of the country, but that
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hasn't really worked. Crime is plummeting nationwide. I mean, this
is a very good thing. And so it seems like
we're just engaged in a lot of legal procedural battles
that is the resistance two point zero Epstein's part of them.
There's punches being thrown on the other side related to
Russia collusion. There's the ongoing battles over birthright citizenship and
(08:41):
what exactly are the limits of the president's powers when
it comes to tariffs. It feels to me, tell me
if you disagree, like every day when it comes to
Trump opposition, it's just some federal district court judge or
some older criminal related conspiracy examination that is largely being examined.
(09:03):
Almost nothing is present day. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's like we're relitigating all of the controversies of the
Trump era now in real time, and much of the
actual work that's being done on a day to day
basis isn't really being talked or acknowledged in any kind
of substantial way.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think part of this is because the Trump administration
has been so successful so far that they've had to
get very creative in the ways that they creative is
a kind way of saying it. Attack the administration. I
think also the administration stumbled here with the peat with
the public relations aspect and the transparency aspect of promising
(09:43):
big rep We've gone over this a million times. Okay,
already the public relations component of the full you know,
the binders, the influencers, the big stuff is coming. It's
on my desk and everything else. And then actually no
additional charges and really no additional information is going to
be released. That was That was a bait and switch,
and people recognize it as such. Whether I mean, do
(10:05):
you even think that these individuals are going to some
of them, you're gonna subpoenal Loretta Lynch? I mean, what
do you think is gonna be said by her about this?
I just I think they're all gonna Here's what I
would advise. I mean, I would tell them all to
take the fifth. I don't see how they gain at
all by even answering questions what I'm saying. Well, so
like Loretta Lynch, like, you're gonna do you think she's
(10:27):
gonna sit there and be like, you know what, I
was part of a big conspiracy to cover up the
Epstein stuff because of the high level democrats that were
you know, implicated in the in the sex ring. No,
it's not gonna happen. So to your point, people are
now doing things to do things they're doing things to
say I'm doing a thing. What is the end result
of that thing going to be? Unless the people that
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they're subpoenaing are total morons, nothing, that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like, do you think that Bill Clinton's gonna say, under oath,
I love sleeping with fifteen year old girls that Jeffrey
Epstein provides for me. I think that's highly unlikely. Do
you think that Hillary Clinton's going to say, Hey, we
knew that there were tons of really powerful people who
had relations with Jeffrey Epstein in some way, and we
(11:13):
covered up all their crimes. I suspect that they will
have a written statement prepared by their four thousand dollars
an hour attorney that represents whatever they want to put
on the public record.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
They will read.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
It and then they will say, this is all I'm
going to say, and maybe they fight whether the subpoena
is even valid. By the way, every Attorney General, Bill Barr,
you think Bill Barr was covering up Epstein related crimes.
I mean, they got every attorney general Democrat and Republican
basically of the last twenty years, and they're going to
call them in and aggressively question them on Epstein. I mean,
(11:50):
I think Epstein was to be fair. When you're the
attorney general, there are so many cases that you are
monitoring on a day to day basis that I bet
Bill Barr spent like zero point one percent of his
time as attorney general. If that relating to anything having
to do with Epstein, that would be my guess. And
so anyway, I think the result of the miscommunication is
(12:15):
now that there is a flood the zone strategy where
you try to get as much information out as you
possibly can. But I just don't think there's much there there,
But I do want to. I mean, this is getting
a lot of attention today. Comer has subpoenaed all these people,
and they're all going to be brought in over the
next couple of months, and I imagine every day that
they talk, there will be in some way big stories
(12:37):
about the fact that they're going to talk. And then
I think that there's likely to be very little that
is actually newsworthy that comes out of their under a testimony.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
That's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Maybe I'm wrong, and we shall see perhaps something big breaks.
This is where I do think I never would have
believed Buck that I would go to law school and
basically every case that now we just talk about is well,
that depends on what the courts are going to do.
That depends on what the judges are going to do.
This is basically Trump two point zero. There is no
(13:08):
overarching opposition to him outside of the existing court systems. Indeed,
I want to tell you as we go to break here,
by the way, you guys are welcome to weigh in.
I don't think there's anything else out there that we
are missing. But I did want to hit both of
these big stories because again it is the DOJ Grand
(13:29):
jury relating to Russia collusion and the subpoenas going out
relating to Epstein are receiving massive amounts of attention out there.
But I don't know that there's some huge revelatory moment
that's going to come. But you guys are alleged to
you guys can dive in and figure out whether or
not you think there's something that we're missing here.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck taking slings and arrows
from the disappointment over the predictions that have been made
on accountability today.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Sorry, I don't know, Maybe maybe I just go all in.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Like they're all going down, Obama, Bread and Clapper, They're
they're getting sent to prison, and all the Epstein people
are going they're also gonna, you know, whoever is involved,
they're all gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I wish this would be great, but I think unfortunately
that's setting up a lot of people for for disappointment.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But well, let's take a look at this and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just I would ask this, we should we should
establish a ground rule here if you're going to write
it in an email or call and say that I
or Clay are just outrageously wrong on this issue in
twenty twenty six and when nothing has happened, it's like
the start of the new and this has gone nowhere.
If that is what happens, you have to call in
or email in and be like, wow, you guys are right,
Thank you for being intellectually honest with us and respecting
(16:08):
all of us and caring about you know, setting the
table with what you think to be the facts and
the likelihood and not doing any of that other nonsense.
I see, you know the online right, people are saying
crazy stuff all the time to get attention, and then
there's no accountability when what they say doesn't doesn't come through.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, what's the biggest whiff we've had in four years?
I whiffed on I really thought mid terms that elections.
That's the only really big, really big whiff. I mean,
you know, that was the only one that I and
and we explained that one. And actually there was a
red wave. It just didn't hit where it needed to
hit in order for it to give the control of
the house back and the things we wanted.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
But I was a whiff in which that it was
a whiff. Other than that, we haven't wiffed, right, and
four years big one? Yeah, And so look, I would
and I think people can ask questions because I do
nailed this last election, by the way. Yeah my concern here,
People say, okay, what's the concern? It feels to me, like, remember,
(17:08):
I know you remember this well, the summer before nine
to eleven happened, and I hope I'm wrong. Everybody was
obsessed with things that, in the grand scheme of things,
were not hugely important stories. It was in DC because
I was there. What happened to Chandra Levy. Some of
you will remember her. She was an intern. It was
(17:29):
an obsession in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It was.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
It was sort of side show Carnival Theater. And then
nine to eleven happened, and suddenly everything got really serious.
Because wasn't she assaulted by an illegal? Assaulted and killed
by an illegal? Or am I misremembering that? They found
that out. You're right, Like a decade later they found
her body in Rock Creek Park. It was let's let's
come back to that, because I think it's interesting. My
(17:55):
concern is we're headed for something serious.
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Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, We're going to Break.
I was talking about how I remember it's been a
long time now. Summer of two thousand and one, everything
was rolling. There was a lot of scandal. You had
coming off of the Bill Clinton affair with an intern.
You had the Chandra Levy drama. She was another in
(19:16):
turn allegedly having an affair with a politician. I think
it was a Republican politician, if I remember Gary Condit.
And it turned out she just got murdered randomly in
Rock Creek Park. It was the obsession of DC in
the summer of two thousand and one. Then nine to
eleven happened, and it turned out that there were a
lot of people asleep at the wheel, not paying attention
(19:39):
to what the real danger was. My concern right now
is a lot of this looking back, and I get
that it's significant.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, it was in fact an illegal immigrant, an illegal
alien who killed Schondra Levy just she was just jogging
my recollection buck is in Rock Creek Park. They never
found her body for like a decade, and then years
later they suddenly discovered, oh, she had been murdered. They
eventually found the guy who had killed her. My point
on that is just his conviction was actually overturned and
(20:11):
charges were later dropped, and then he was deported to
El Salvador. No, I didn't follow that. I didn't follow
that aspect of this just happened in twenty seventeen. I
didn't not know about that. Okay, Hum, Anyways, sorry, just
updating that it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Is some of you will remember that story.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I got a lot of attention, and then nine to
eleven happened, and basically nobody cared about Chandra Levy and
Gary Cohn did or any of that drama, or for
that matter, hardly anything else that was going on. And
obviously that was coming out of a lot of consequential issues,
the two thousand election, the battle that we saw there,
all of those things. My point on this is, my
concern is that there are a lot of people who
(20:49):
want to do us ill and want to take advantage
of us. My hope is that in focusing on all
of these external factors that oftentimes are dating back a
decade or more, we aren't missing a new looming danger
that is out there that is far more consequential that
we'll look back on and say, boy, I wish we
(21:11):
had had the intelligence agencies focused on the future instead
of the past. Now positive positive here. This is pretty
extraordinary what Trump is doing. We have talked about economy,
border crime, economy, border crime. He is delivering on a
high level. And it's not just us telling you this.
(21:31):
I was watching this over the weekend. I believe Harry
Enton came in and said, the Trump administration is the
most influential this century and maybe going back decades and
decades into last century in terms of the changes that
they are implementing and the policy perspectives they're putting in place.
(21:52):
Cut twenty six. This is CNN.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
The Donald Trump administration is arguably the most influential this
century and probably well dating back a good portion of
the last century as well. Trump is remaking in the
United States of America. Let's talk about tariffs first, right,
there's all this talk that Donald Trump always chickens out
when it comes to taris uh uh no tacos for Trump.
The effective tariff ray get this eighteen percent, the highest,
(22:16):
the highest since the FDR administration in the nineteen thirties,
up from get this, just two percent last year, from
just two percent last year. We're talking about a level
an effective tariff raith level get this nine times as
high this year than last year. But is not just
on tariffs, which of course Donald Trump ran on, in
which you're seeing a tremendously influential presidency.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
What about immigration.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Of course Trump ran and has always run on a
very hawkish immigration platform. Get this twenty twenty five. Net
migration in the United States down at least sixty percent
from last year. In fact, we may be heading for
the first time and at least fifty years in which
we have negative net negative migration into the United States.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He's doing so much buck that I feel oftentimes we're
getting bogged down in the in the muck and not
recognizing some of the massive, substantial changes.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Here's one more clip. Trump is remaking the country via
executive orders more. I think you can go back now
one hundred years to FDR. I think you can argue
that Trump is the most consequential president since FDR. Not
saying I one hundred percent agree with that. I think
you can make that historic argument. That's the one CNN's making.
Cut twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
We're talking about immigration, migration, We're talking about the effective
tariff rate. But get this, how is Donald Trump doing it?
While he is signing a ton of executive orders? Get this,
one hundred and eighty the most in a year since
Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Oh my goodness, you have to go
back to the first half of the twentieth century, the
(23:56):
last century, and to make a comparison. Joe Biden signed
get this, just seventy seven during his entire first year,
and we're only a little bit in August so far,
and Donald Trump making history with one hundred and eighty
one hundred and eighty executive orders signed so far this year.
So that's why I said that, in my mind, Donald
Trump is the most influential president of this century and
(24:17):
probably dating back a good portion of the last century.
That is because he is remaking the country in terms
of tariffs, he is remaking the country in terms of
net migration, and he is remaking the country in terms
of how much policy changes he's putting through in executive orders.
As I said, it truly is history making.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
When see an in saying it, buck, I think it
is representative of just how much he's delivering on so
far in the first six months of his presidency, the
likes of which, frankly, we may not have seen in
anybody's life who's out there listening to us right now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Sometimes I think that gets missed.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, I think that the presidency of Donald Trump so
far has been remarkably successful, as we've discussed many times,
and has already racked up some wins that I think
outpaced what a lot of Trump supporters even thought was possible.
The border is the best example of this, But even
so far, what we've seen on tariffs and the trade
(25:14):
agreements that he's been able to hammer out, this has beat.
It's one thing to beat expectations of that.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Trump is hitler, the sky is falling, like.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We expect that. He's of course better than they say
he's going to be, because they say.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
He's the worst president in history.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But people who say Trump is great, for them to say, wow,
he's even going beyond what I thought was possible in
the first seven months of his presidency is an indicator
of just how well it is going on things that
really matter to people in their day to day lives,
and that's including a whole range of things. Now I
understand the jobs report was a little weak. Trump is
(25:52):
very fired up saying that he doesn't think that that's
a fair assessment. One thing that doesn't get talked about
enough is that jobs are going to a mariera. That's
something that I think everybody should meaning a lot of
the job growth that is happening in this country, it
is going to people who are supposed to be in
America and not illegals. That's a good thing, and that's
something that is happening more and more because of this presidency.
(26:16):
So while there are some areas of frustration, as there
always will be with any administration, and there are some
things that people want to see move faster or even
move a little bit differently, so far, I think it
has been a very successful presidency. And the best way
to maybe put a bow in the cap here I
don't know. I was trying to think of some analogy there,
(26:38):
but the best way to finish this off would just
be to say, if there was.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Some gaping wound in the.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Trump administration thus far, some huge failure of policy, if
we were in World War three or something like it
because of it roun, It's all you would be hearing about.
If we had gotten entangled in some foreign warm, we
were having Americans come home in body bags, is all
you would be hearing about. Every single day. What are
you hearing about when it comes to attacking Trump?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Eh, you know, I don't think they've been able to
even land a punch on him.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I look, they've tried to say, hey, he's responsible for
what's going on on Gaza. I think that's hard to
put on Trump. They tried to say he hasn't ended
the war in Ukraine and Russia. Yet again, I think
that's hard to put on Trump. The only real thing
is the resistance two point zero.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Through the judiciary.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I mean, I will play some of these cuts for you,
but calling him hitler the attacks, I just I think
Democrats increasingly are kind of throwing up their hands. Now
if they win the House, will they impeach him?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Probably? Will that have any impact at all? No, It'll be.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Funny, though, is watching like watching MSNBC and The New
York Times act like impeachment three? This time it's real,
you know, it's it's gonna be like a really bad
sequel to a movie that never should have been made
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Like now the walls are really closing in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well, I don't even know what the ground mel impeach
him four? As is right? I mean, and it is
true that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Can I point?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Can I Can I bring actually, Clay, I want to
bring a VIP email into the mix here on this,
because we're getting a lot of VIP emails from this
And again I'm just telling you what we think, and
Clay and I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
We don't even coordinate on.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
These things before, Like the show, we'll talk about topics,
but we're not having long conversations about where we're gonna.
You know, we're both just being honest with you about
I don't even think the subpoena is that Homer's putting
out that those aren't even gonna those testimonies aren't even
gonna happen for the most part. Okay, that's just the truth.
It's just the truth. So you can get mad at
me or whatever. But if you're mad at me today
(28:48):
in six months, when you know that I'm right, please
say thank you Buck.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
For telling us what you knew was true.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The other stuff, some of the other stuff, I'm not
you know, the grand jury, I said on Will's Show yesterday,
Will kne Show yesterday and Fox, that's a big step
that indicates maybe something is going to happen there. But
Joseph our VP sent us this, and I think this
is an important point to keep in mind with all
of this stuff here, he writes, please stop saying that
nothing is going to work. How many charges were brought
(29:15):
against Trump, how many were legit How much for Trump
in legal fees? You guys are so bad at Lawfair
start suing Obama into the poorhouse. Okay, let's just take
a step back. What happened after all the stuff they
did to Trump? Okay, let's take a moment here. They
did all this stuff to Trump, and what happened. He
(29:37):
won the election. He smoked everybody in the primary, he
crushed the opposition of the general election, and is the
most powerful president of our lifetimes. And the Democrat Party
is still licking their wounds. So keep in mind that
this lawfair stuff that they did, as annoying and underhanded
as it was, got absolutely steamrolled. All of it absolutely steamrolled.
So the notion that this is some secret weapon that
(30:00):
Trump is refusing to use for his part, ignores the
recent history of it. Got completely crushed. Trump stopped this
thing under his heel like a little squishy bug. Okay,
remember that, everybody, Remember what just happened. Yeah, it actually
benefited him. And in fact, if you could go into
(30:21):
a multiverse world, what would the election in twenty twenty
four have looked like if Democrats had just said, Hey,
we're gonna run against Trump, but we're not going to
put law fair in play. Right, they hadn't ever rated
mar A Lago. They hadn't ever brought charges on the
bookkeeping in New York City, they hadn't filed charges in Atlanta,
(30:41):
and the ridiculous Fanny Willis case.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
None of that had happened.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Jack Smith never took an came in as a special
counsel and tried to prosecute. I think it would have
hurt Trump, and I think it's actually a good lesson
that to Buck's point here, Trump actually has made billions
of dollars in retrospect. The other thing is, you're not
gonna bankrupt Barack Obama in America ed dollars. Every lawyer
(31:11):
in America, just about who is on the East Coast
wants to rep Barack Obama for free. Yes, I mean,
and most of these guys are super wealthy and will
get incredible uh representation. It'll all be paid for by donors.
I just again, I think the historical record matters, but
(31:32):
I think the idea of people going to prison is
going to be very difficult to pull off.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I think that Trump is going through this process with
his hand picked team in his second administration.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
There's some there's some on the right play.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know, they're very much disagree with you and me,
but on some of this stuff, they're actually disagreeing with Trump.
Keep that in mind. Okay, he's making these calls, he's
making these decisions, and look at how often he has
been right and has seen his way through and everything else.
So when I'm saying, hey, I think Pambon is hanlings
this way, this is how this is going to go,
(32:08):
and someone is writing in and telling us, Hey, here's
what you guys should be saying they should do the following,
keep in mind Trump and his team are not doing
the following. Whatever it may be, they're doing it this way.
Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe they have some
understanding and I think we all know they do of
what the political dynamics are here and what benefits the administration.
(32:29):
So and nobody wants justice and vengeance more than Trump
for what was done to him, but I think he
understands the big picture here.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Let me give you a sports analogy as we got
to break, because I think it's a good one. Basically,
Trump is Tom Brady with the New England Patriots or
Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls in the midst of
an unbelievable dynasty. Can you quibble with some of the
decisions that Tom Brady or Michael Jordan make on a
(33:01):
play by play basis?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Should you also at times just sit back and be like, damn,
I'm glad I get to watch this mostly.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's kind of the way I feel right now about
Trump two point zero is if you were a Patriots
fan during the Brady dynasty or you were a Bulls
fan during the Jordan dynasty, I don't want to nitpick
because Jordan should have passed instead of taken a jumper.
He's still Jordan. Yeah, Brady might miss a deep ball
every now and then, but he's still the greatest who
ever do it. What we're seeing right now, in my
(33:31):
opinion from a sports analogy perspective, is Brady and Jordan,
like from the Trump team, they're performing at a dynastic level.
So I think a lot of people who are nitpicking
are missing the larger success. And you're gonna be twenty
years from now, you're gonna be sitting back like man,
I would give anything to have Trump two point oho underway.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's my thoughts. That's kind of the way I feel
about analyzing things right now. Well, I don't know if
we can discount JD. Vance's second term so quickly, Clay.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
But nonetheless, I hope, by the way, we have unbelievable
presidents still to come. I wake up every day still
with a smile on my face because I know Trump
is doing exactly what he said he was gonna do,
and I don't know that we've ever had.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
A president like this.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
There's also a lot of stuff that he does that
I haven't even thought should be done by a president
that I really like, and that has never happened before.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I remember the Bush years. I was like, can you
just do the obvious smart thing?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You imbecile?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Can you just do this?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
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me just say, well, take calls and emails and talkbacks
top of the next hour, because a lot of you
want to weigh in on today's main topic, your conversation,
what is the way forward against the Lawfair, the Lawfair
participants who went after Trump and Trump's advisors.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
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Also, we have Alex Marlow of Breitbart will be joining
us talk about his new book which is on Lawfair.
So that's a that's a good topical topical topic. That
doesn't you know what I mean, it's a good.
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