October 23, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show shifts from sports scandals to high-stakes politics and cultural flashpoints. Clay and Buck open with an in-depth look at the Virginia Governor’s race, dissecting conflicting polls on Abigail Spanberger and why Democrats are sounding alarms despite media narratives of a comfortable lead. The hosts mock MSNBC’s claim that Spanberger’s struggles stem from sexism, pointing out that she’s running against another woman and citing examples of women winning major races nationwide. They argue Democrats are leaning on identity politics rather than addressing policy failures.
The conversation pivots to Spanberger’s refusal to call for the resignation of Jay Jones, the Democratic Attorney General candidate embroiled in a text scandal advocating political violence. Clay warns Virginians that Spanberger is a far-left candidate masquerading as moderate, predicting radical policies on gender identity and sports if she wins. This leads to a fiery discussion on transgender athletes, spotlighting a shocking Minnesota Supreme Court ruling that unanimously allowed a male powerlifter to compete in women’s competitions, citing “human rights.” Clay and Buck slam this as emblematic of the left’s strategy to impose gender ideology through state power, comparing it to COVID-era mandates and warning of broader cultural consequences.
The hour also covers President Trump’s decision not to deploy federal forces to San Francisco, following talks with Mayor Daniel Lurie and tech leaders like Jensen Huang and Marc Benioff. Buck praises Trump’s pragmatic approach, contrasting it with Democrat-run cities like Chicago. From there, the hosts tackle the ongoing government shutdown, now in its 23rd day, with Congressman Jim Jordan joining to explain why Democrats are holding the line—fear of primaries from the far-left and leveraging issues like Obamacare subsidies. Jordan predicts the shutdown could last until November and blasts Democrats’ Trump Derangement Syndrome as a driving force.
Jordan also drops bombshell news: a criminal referral against former CIA Director John Brennan for allegedly lying under oath about the Steele dossier during the Russia investigation. He details evidence showing Brennan pushed for the dossier’s inclusion despite knowing it was unreliable, framing it as part of a broader pattern of anti-Trump bias. The discussion then shifts to Trump’s record in his second term, with Jordan calling it “the most impactful year of any presidency,” citing achievements on tax cuts, border security, Iran policy, and ending men in women’s sports.
The hour closes with a quick revisit of the NBA betting scandal, contrasting today’s corruption with Pete Rose’s infamous wagers, and a nuanced debate on whether athletes betting on themselves should be treated differently. Clay explains why leagues ban all player gambling to prevent debt-driven corruption, noting referees as historically vulnerable due to lower salaries.
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Thanks for being here, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The Virginia governor's race and some other big political showdowns,
including the mayor's race in New York City.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Let's talk about this first.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Up here, polls, balls, tolls, pulls. Do we have a
span Burger? According to New York Times. Here with all
these different poles up nine, up, twelve, up thirteen, up five,
up ten, all this stuff, I don't buy it. Trafalgar
has her up two, which I think.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Is within the margin. Vera where's the margin, Well, almost
the margin, Barrett.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So I think that this is one of these times
where they're trying to tell everybody. On the one hand,
the polls show that Spamberger's a shoe in, but on
the other hand, they're concerned about spam Berger at the
same time. And this is just this is just fun
for us as two guys who make a.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Living doing you know, doing this.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
There's just some basically this has cut seven guys. There's
just some basic stuff here that you want to find
You want to find out before you go in the air.
For example, Mika Brzhinski, who really I think just exists
on television, so that wealthy chardonnay ladies of suburbs of
(02:07):
major cities have somebody that they can look to who
gives them emotional validation in their politics without actually educating
them about any politics.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Because here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The reason that Abigail Spanburger is struggling. I just told
you all the polls say that, oh, she's gonna win
by so much. But the Democrats know it's actually pretty close,
and they're worried, and so they're saying the reason they're
struggling is play is sexism, play seven.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It really is incredible. And you have Abigail Spanberg or
Mikey Cheryl, her background, all the different jobs that she
has held in the military, and also like Elissa Slotkin.
I mean, my god, these women are incredible, and to
them I would.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Say, fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Because we need them.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I mean, this is something that a lot of Democrats
are acting with right now is they've nominated women two
of the last three elections for the presidency lost both.
There are some who say, well, we can't do that again,
the stakes are too high. But of course that does
fall into the same as Rochester trapped.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
The countries have no problem electing women.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Abigail Spanberger is running against a black woman. Yes, so
how is it that Abigail Spanberger being a woman is
the cause of her difficulties?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Claiming I just I just need to understand this.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Not only that she's mentioned Alissa Slotkin, who is running
for governor in Michigan. Michigan has a female governor and
the last Michigan governor's race was our friend Tutor Dixon
running against Gretchen Widmer.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Two women ran against each other.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So this is just do a smidgen of basic or
re search and don't dive headlong into the oppression Olympics,
and you can see that there are women winning elections
all over the country, and sometimes women lose elections all
over the country just.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Like men do.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I don't know that any woman has lost an election
because of her gender. In frankly, the twenty first century,
Hillary was not a great candidate. Barack Obama beater. I
don't think Barack Obama beat her because he was a
black man. I think he beat her because he was
a better candidate. Bernie Sanders would have beaten Hillary, but
(04:39):
he didn't because the DNC actually rigged the election for her,
and Hillary lost because she did a poor job as
a poor candidate campaigning in the battleground states that she
didn't think she had any reason to be concerned about
losing all over the Midwest. And Kamala, regardless of her gender,
may have been the worst candidate anyone has seen, and
(05:02):
she was elevated. I would argue to the Democrat nomination because.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Of a race in her gender.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So if she hadn't been a black woman, I think
there's a decent chance they would have had some sort
of short, open Miny primary. But they were so afraid
of being called racist and sexist inside the Democrat Party
that they just said, Ah, hell, go ahead and put
Kamal up. We'll see what happens. May we get lucky.
If she loses, then so what, We'll blame the fact
that she's a black woman. I just there's a desperate
(05:34):
attempt here to try and make themselves victims and then
the sign of oppression. But it's they're not even doing
the research that's required to even make the argument very well.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Remember when in the I think very watchable movie still
as good as it gets with Jack Nicholson, and do
you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Oh? Yeah's great movie. Yeah, great movie.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Remember when he's a he's a famous author, but obviously
also a very strange guy or very you know, socially
awkward guy, Jack Nicholson. She says, how do you write
women so well? He says, I think of a man,
and then I take away reason and accountabilities. Now I'm
not endorsing that line. I am just saying that Mika
(06:19):
Brusinski is playing right into that by claiming that a
woman losing to a woman is because of sexism. There
is neither reason nor accountability in that analysis for their candidate,
and Katie Couric, who is still in the game somewhat.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I didn't even know this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I thought she was just, you know, counting her millions
and doing whatever. But she still does the journalisming thing. Sometimes.
She called out Abigail Spanberger because it is just too
obvious that Spamberger is trying to riun out the clock
and not answer tough questions and just let the Democrat
machine propel her over the finish line barely because she
(06:59):
won't tell Jay Jones he's got to drop out. Here's
Spamberger's response to Kurk. Remember j Jones was the guy
running for attorney General. I think he's actually dropped below
me are as now for that AGC.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Looks like hopefully going to win that race because there
has been a consequence from the text chain scandal.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And Katie Kirk's like, hey, Spamburger, you want to be governor,
You got to be able to draw a hard line
on this. Here's what Spamberger says, play eight.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
There's a problem here with j Jones. He's the Democratic
candidate for Virginia Attorney General. He wrote some texts and
they were released basically advocating for political violence against his opponent,
and the Democrats in your state, in other states, I understand,
have renounced his rhetoric, but they have not called on
(07:47):
for a call for him to drop out of the race.
And I'm just curious why is that. I think there's
a couple elements here, and I'll speak broadly but also
reflecting my own opinions.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You know, these texts are years old.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
That's that's her answer. That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
We got we got text a years old. That's the first.
That's the first thing we're going with.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I what I come back to.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
First of all, Spamburger is a far left wing candidate,
and Virginians are being sold a bill of goods, much
like we were told that Joe Biden was Grandpa Joe
and he was going to be a very moderate Scranton Joe,
middle of the road leader, and then as soon as
he got in he did everything the super left wing
of the party wanted him to do. Abigail Spamberger will
do that exact same thing in Virginia, and a lot
(08:37):
of Virginians are being sold a bill of goods here,
and they're going to wake up in a year and
a half or two years and say, how did this happen.
How are there all these dudes in women's locker rooms?
How is my daughter playing a volleyball game against a
six foot five dude who's smashing volleyball on the other
side of the net. It's going to because Abigail Spamberger says, well,
we have to respect the gender identity of these teenage
(09:00):
boys who are pretending to be girls. That's the reality.
By the way, this is crazy. Did you see, Buck?
The Minnesota Supreme Court voted seven to zero in the
judged seven zero all Democrat appointees, that a powerlifter, male
powerlifter was being discriminated against, his human rights were being
(09:22):
discriminated against, and he had to be allowed by the
powerlifting association to compete as a woman. This is a
big friggin' dude. Yeah, you know, like powerlifting, of all things, Buck,
you would think with strength, I mean, this is basically
the most thing that masculinity matters the most on powerlifting
of all things. Seven zero, he has to be able
(09:43):
to compete in women's athletics.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
This is a reminder everyone their plan, the Democrat, the
Left's plan on the trans agenda, trans rights. Whatever is
not to moderate is not to become rational. Their plan
is to ride this out until they can force the
insanity on you via the state. They can use state
(10:09):
power first in places like Minnesota and then California. They
can use state power to make you do this and
make you pretend claid right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This is their Their.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Plan is to just wait till the shoe is on
the other foot and decide that they can make us comply.
It's like we saw with COVID. It's different in terms
of obviously what we're talking about, but just they're gonna
use state force to make you do crazy stuff on
trans the second they can. You're gonna be told clap
for the two hundred and fifty pound dude winning the
(10:43):
powerlifting competitions and say his name is Sally and he's
actually a girl or else.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's the plan.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I mean, for those of you out there who would say, oh,
this is an exaggerated issue, seven members of the Supreme
Court of the State of Minnesota just said it's a
violation of this dude's human rights. For the Powerlifting Association
to say you're actually a man, you're not allowed to compete.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is absolutely I mean, I know you're not saying
this it is absolutely not an exaggerated issue on our side.
They make it an issue, and then when people pay attention,
they say, what are you talking about? It's not that
big a deal. It's not happening that much. This is
the argument of cowards. They won't stand behind the argument
until you know. It's like the person who will only
pick a fight with somebody when he's got his ten
(11:28):
buddies there. Yeah, they only want the fight when they
know that they'll be able to use force to win.
They don't want to actually have the debate in public.
They don't want people to understand what's going on here,
and they want to do this in states like Minnesota, which.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
What has happened.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I used to go camping in Minnesota as a kid,
so many nice people, no crime, lovely place. All I
see is bad stuff now about at least what's going
on in politics. And I'm sure there's still nice camping sites,
but politics and in Minneapolis, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I think this is Minnesota. Nice is a real thing,
and many of you in Minnesota know it. I think
Minnesota may be the foremost example of toxic empathy ruining
a state because they have convinced a lot of people. Well,
if you don't acknowledge that. I mean, there was the
Minnesota where a dude pitched as a woman and won
(12:22):
his girls team that went the softball championship. Like a
six foot two dude was saying, hey identify as a girl,
and they won a Minneapolis Minisaari Minnesota state softball championship.
They beat all these other girl teams. So they're trying
to be kind. This is where I think it comes from, Buck.
I think it's a good point. They're trying to be kind.
(12:43):
Same thing with George Floyd. Oh, you know this is
so unacceptable. Look that this is how black people are
treated all over Minnesota, all over the country. The BLM protest.
What happened to George Floyd was a crazy outlier, and
what we could do probably whole shit, the calamity surrounding
the criminal prosecution and everything else of Derek Chauvin in
(13:06):
that entire case. But the fact that they didn't shut
down the protest, the fact that Tim Walls and his
wife bragged about leaving the mansion windows open so they
could spell the city burning, as if that was somehow
a sign of pride. There's a lot of white guilt
I think there's a lot of white kindness that has
(13:26):
been used to drive toxic results all over the state
of Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, the courtesy of people on the right, the innate kindness,
desire for respect, civility, and decency has unfortunately been used
as a trojan horse for the left wing radical agenda
on the trans stuff the whole time, the whole time.
Come on, this person's having tough time. Just use the name,
(13:53):
just use the pronoun, just be inclusive. So now it's
that's not masio man, Randy Savage, you know, throwing elbows
at these little girls and breaking their noses.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That's Tina.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
No, it's macho man, Randy Savage. I mean you see
the picture of the powerlifter in Minnesota. I mean it
is a huge it's dude, man. I mean powerlifting. For
those of you who don't lift, men who powerlift are
freakishly large dudes in the first place, right, I mean,
powerlifting is maybe the most aggressively masculine way to lift
(14:27):
weights on the planet. So of all the things that
you could be using to try to compete as a
man in a women's sports, powerlifting might be is this
fairbuck might be the sport where you have almost the
biggest advantage.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes, I will so I a long time ago, and
don't come at me crossfitters. I think CrossFit actually does
is very injury prone and I'm not a fan, but anyway,
it's not for me. A long time ago, I used
to go to a CrossFit gym and you know your
you'd put your stuff up there, and there were there
were women in there who had quads the size of
telephone polls. I'm just saying, very very strong. You and
(15:03):
I can both bench more than they can easily, yes,
and and and people will sit there and make fun
of us for being slouchy looking radio hosts, which fair,
but we can both bench more than the most correct
So like, are we really going to do that?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
We really are going to do this. We're really going
to do this, you.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Know, wild wild stuff, so I. And that's where we are, folks.
The answer is yes, they're not backing off this. You
have to pretend that it's not macho man Randy Savage.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
He's not here to talk about his transition. You haven't
seen that.
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Speaker 1 (16:57):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are
rolling through a lot of different stories out there that
all of you are following along with.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Let me update you on one.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
President Trump just said he's not gonna surge federal forces
in San Francisco after a late night call with San
Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie. And also he says that Lourie
is doing a decent job, says that they are on
the process of trying to fix San Francisco. Sounds like
Jensen Wong and Mark Binoff and I'm Missteran Wang. Yeah,
(17:32):
I was not even worried about mispronouncing his name.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The Mark Binoff.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The other big prominent San Francisco also have talked with
Trump and persuaded him not to surge federal enforcement.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So that just came down.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
If you're listening to us in the Bay Area or
maybe traveling to the Bay Area soon, they are saying
that things are improving and the mayor has pledged to
take aggressive action and let him see if he can
fix it instead of President Trump coming in again. That
a truth social post that was just put out by
President Trump in the last.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Couple I like this, by the way. I like that
Trump is establishing that. Hey, look, you can be a
Democrat mayor in a Democrat city. If you want to
be reasonable and take the proper steps to keep people safe, great,
we'll work with you. And you know, God bless you
want to be a maniac and pretend like everything's fine,
like they've been doing in Chicago, we might just have
(18:28):
to send the Feds in there to clean things up
a bit.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
We have a Congressman Jim Jordan with us in the
mix today.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
What's going on? Congressman?
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Hi, guys's doing. It's good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Can I there's a few things we have on the
agenda for you today. Sure to talk about in the news,
But the shutdown starting to feel like, uh, the Democrats
are playing a bit of chick here and maybe not
going to.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Pull off pull off the road.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
There's word that this could create a shortage in like
food stamps for people, and what what is going on here?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Well, I mean, you guys have talked about this. We
all know this is about the crazy left that now
unfortunately has control of one of our major political parties.
And like I said this, I think the first week
this happened, Chuck Schumer is having a debate with Chuck
Schumer because he was for this six months ago, but
now he's not. And it's the darn same darn thing.
But yeah, it's all about their their left. But I've
(20:35):
been telling people this underscores why the midterms are so important,
because the same mindset that says we won't vote for
what we voted for before we're going to shut down
the government is the same mindset if they can get control,
we'll we'll go after President Trump will and peach him
and do all this stuff that they did, you know
in his first term. That's that's that's what the stake here.
So I think the country seeded this for just being ridiculous. Uh,
(20:57):
And hopefully it ends sometime soon. But but like like
like you, Buck, I don't know, and they go for
a while.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Jim, do you think this is related directly to Chuck
Schumer being afraid of AOC and UH and thinking that
she might primary him in New York.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Because he got Can I just add question, Yeah, I
don't want to is that the bigger issue or is
the Obamacare subsidies? In people realizing they're both issues? But
which one do you think is driving this more? The
Schumer shut down or the Obamacare thing?
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Well, I think it's probably the former, because remember it
looks like even leader Jeffries may get a primary in
New York City. So I do think it's this phenomenon
that the hard left hass control of that party. But
I think that is driving this. And remember Chuck Schumer
took all kinds of heat from the left, including frankly
from Hakeem Jeffries back in March when he when he
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allowed the Senate to pass the continuing Resolution. So I
think that is is certainly big. But then they pick
healthcare because that's the only they think they have the
only thing that polling shows they might have some somewhat
of an advantage if you can trust the polls, because
it wasn't going to run on you know, letting more
people into the country like they did on border security.
They're going to run on raising people's taxes. They're going
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to run on men and women's sports. I mean, there's
no other issues they really have, so foreign policies the
President's been amazing. So I think I think it's a combination.
But I do think it's driven primarily by the hard
left and the fact that that he may get a primary,
the Senate leader for the Democrats may get a primary,
and now there's talk of a team getting one as
a King Jeffers getting one as well.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
So when you break all this down, I said, hey,
I think they didn't want to have the shut down
because the no Kings protest is going on, Jim, and
they didn't want to like bend the knee right beforehand.
Now my sort of political antenna are up, and it's
suggesting maybe they are in a bigger scrap than they
anticipated with the Virginia race for governor and lieutenant governor
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and Hearney General, and they somehow feel as if if
the government is shut down, maybe left wing voters in
northern Virginia are more motivated to come out.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Do you think that's also in play?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Here, because that's really it doesn't make any sense that
this this battle would be going on and they would
have so little at stake by and large to not
be willing to keep moving along.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Yeah, that that may in fact be the case, and
so we may be, we may be in this till
till November fifth or longer, you know, after election day.
But you know, I would also just ever underestimate just
this funt this phenomena about the left hatred for President Trump.
I mean this whole you know, we've we've talked before.
Trump's arrangement syndrome is a real thing, and these so
(23:43):
many people on the left really have this just this
phenomena going on, and they are just out in any way.
They think it's harmful to the president, harmful to Republicans. Therefore,
and even if it's something as ridiculous as shutting down
the government because you won't vote for what you've already
supported for good Wait, we made this so simple. Here's
(24:05):
the cr it's short term, it's what you voted on,
I mean, and you can't vote for that. Like they're saying,
we need to compromise.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
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Speaker 9 (24:13):
We've given you the bill that you support six months ago.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
For goodness sake, speaking of Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio.
You all know Congressman Jordan, and New York Post certainly
knows him because they've got him in a side by
side here I see with former CIA Director Brennan. Because
Congress and tell.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Us what's going on here.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
There's been a referral by the House Judiciary Committee A
regarding XCIA director Brennan for lying under oath.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
What's happening?
Speaker 9 (24:42):
Yeah, well, you all know you're not supposed to lie,
but you're definitely not supposed to lie when you're under
oath talking to Congress. And it looks like that's exactly
what John Brennan did. And it looks like he did
that because God bless Tlsea Gabbert, the Director of National Intelligence,
declassify the report from the House and held his committee
from a few years ago. And that report says just
(25:03):
to what Brennan told us in this deposition. He told us, oh,
I was not involved with the dossier at all during
the whole Russia hoax, Bloni, and I didn't want it
included an intelligence community assessment. Well, then we get to
declassify the report from Director Gabbard, and it says just
the opposite. It says, oh no, it warrants the dossier
warrants being included in the IICA. And I mean a
(25:26):
person at the CIA concerned the Director and said, Director,
this dossier is garbage. It does the underlying intelligence is
just not there. We shouldn't use it. And Brennan's response was,
according to this CI official, yeah, but doesn't it ring true,
just demonstrating his motive, his bias, his his you know,
out to get President Trump attitude. And so look, I
(25:48):
don't do many of these. I've only done a few
of these referrals because I think you really got to
have the evidence that they violated eighteen USC. One thousand
and one, which says you can't lie to Congress when
they're and impede their investigation. But we did it with Brennan,
and we point out in the letter this is part
of the pattern with this guy, because I think he
also lied to Trey Gudi when Trey questioned him a
few years back on the same issue. And of course
(26:11):
the irony was guys, we were deposing Brennan as part
of a different investigation. We were deposing him because he
was one of the fifty one guys who signed the letter,
the now famous letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was
the Russian information operation when they had to stay afty,
I had to stink at laptop and knew it wasn't.
So we were deposing on that. But we get into
this other Russia stuff and he lies to us about that,
(26:31):
and that's why we think this is this is the
facts are strong, and we we sent the letter to
Attorney General BONDI.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
We're talking to Representative Jim Jordan from the great State
of Ohio. Jim, when you look at what Trump has done.
We were just up in Fort Wayne, Indiana yesterday, Buck
and I were, and I think you can make a
strong argument that this is the greatest year that we
have ever seen of any president in terms of total
(26:59):
impact what he's been made, not just promises.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
This is what we're talking to the WOBO folks about,
is that Trump is racking up the scoreboard. Sorry click, yeah, No,
it's exactly right. And when you look at you were
there for Trump one point zero, how much more efficient
and effective do you think the first year of Trump
two point zero has been than anything we saw Trump
one point Oh? What do you attribute it to and
do you sign on to that take that that that
(27:23):
we put out there and that we've been arguing quite
a bit on this show.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent signed on to what you guys said.
It's it's been an amazing nine months. Rankly, just just
truly amazing. I thought his first term was amazing. But
I do think this is better for a couple of reasons. One,
he's just focused. He's he's been through this before. He
knows how crazy the media is going to be, how
crazy the left's going to be, and it's not deterring him.
He's focused on the mission. Second, the people he's put
in in running these key agencies are actually Trump people.
(27:49):
The first time he had Rex Tillerson for goodnes say, he
Jeff Sessions for goodnes sake running you know, State and Justice.
They weren't necessarily on the team. So but the team
he's put together and we deal with the Justice, I
mean Pam Bonni, Todd Blinch, Cash, Betel Dan Bond. These
guys are good people who are focused on doing their
job the way it's supposed to be in serving the taxpayers.
And then finally I would say this, I always say
(28:11):
we make this job of politics way too complicated, fury
dar and simple. What did you tell the folks you
were going to do when you ran for the job.
If you get elected, go do what you said. And
no one has done it better than President Trump. He
said he would cut taxes, he did. He said he'd
get men out of women's sports. He has. He said
he would make sure Iran doesn't get nuclear capabilities with
the help of Isra on our great milcher, he accomplishes that.
He said that he would take sure the border for
(28:33):
goodness sake, he accomplished that in just a few months.
So on and on it goes. And he's just focused
on doing what he said what he was elected to do.
And that's what's frustrating the Democrats and why they got
to like, oh, we're going to have to shut down
the government and create some crazy Obamacare issue to justify that,
because he is doing what he said he would do
and getting it done in just an amazing way.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Congressman, how are we looking for I know it's a
year out, but because we're all focused on this upcoming election,
at least in a few places, some big races are happening.
New York I mean, sorry, New Jersey, Virginia, well, New York,
New York City, mayor, how are you feeling about the Republicans'
chances in the House, especially given that this administration is
(29:20):
getting things done, the Republican Party is keeping its promises,
and you know, how do you wargain that out a
year from now?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I feel good.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
I mean I feel like we break the trend, because
the trend is typically against this when you're the party
in power in the White House's up in the midterms.
But I feel good because of the record we just
talked about, because of recruiting good candidates, I do think
redistricting is going to net out in favor of awesome.
I mean, it's happening in so many different states. It's
in the news every day, it seems. And then finally,
I Trump has just fundamentally changed American politics. I mean,
(29:51):
I look at Young's Town, Ohio. I mean, you can
look at our whole state, but take young Town, Ohio,
young Town o Hilo. Now, how the Republican member of
Congress representing the city, the state senators are Publican, and
the state reps in that area Republican as well. Twenty
five years ago, this is the most Democrat area in
the state on that country maybe, and now it's represented
by Republicans because he has fundamentally changed the party and politics.
(30:14):
And this I think truly fighting for middle class, working
class and all Americans, and I think that that message
is getting to it.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Good Luck to the Buckeyes as the season continues, Congressman.
I think they are going to continue to roll. And
I know you got Wisconsin connections too. Good luck to
them because I think they really need it.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Oh man, poor Fickle, it's been toughy. You gotta have
a quarterback to win games, and it's just been tough
for the Badgers, no doubt about it. What the buck
guys are, as you point out, looking good. You did
great on the I caught you earlier on this crazy
NBA story.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, I mean, what's your take on that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I mean, this is like we started off the show
talking about this, and obviously I was talking about it
on Fox News too.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I mean, this is just all bonkers.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
Huh, oh kidding. I was joking with Arpedia guy. I said,
makes you long for the good old days when Pete
Rose only bet for the Reds to win. Yeah, And
as I know, it was not involved with the mob.
I mean, yeah, this is this is uh yeah, this
is wild and throlling games that I hadn't. I haven't
seen the videos, but people tell me, like there's some
(31:20):
videos of uh the oh.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean you watch you watch some of these plays.
I mean, yeah, it is. It is bad. It is
very bad. Congressman Jim Jordan, keep up the good work.
Uh and we'll have you on whenever it makes sense.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
All right, We'll see you guys.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Take care, Conkson, appreciate you can. I see a quick
question Clay actually about this. Yeah, have people tried to
make the case because to me, again as a as
a not not as you know, not somebody who does
the sports stuff professional or college a lot. But if
you want to bet on your team, why is that bad?
You know, like if I'm a player, if I'm a
(31:57):
quarterback and I want to bet a million dollars that
my team can win, I understand obviously it's fraud if
you're going against your team, because the implication is you
always want your team to win. But do people ever
make that case that there's something very different about I
have full faith that I'm gonna win this, so I'm
gonna put putting money on yourself versus I'm just wondering
about that because yeah, well I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You lose, Yeah, Pete Rose did that. You lose, and
eventually you end up having to pay back the money.
So it just puts you out of whack. Now, to
be fair, boxers do it all the time. Boxers in
Vegas have gone in and said, hey, I'm gonna put
I think Floyd Mayweather did it. I'm gonna put a
million dollars down on me to win, like I'm gonna
(32:39):
walk into a casino. So certain leagues prohibit it as
part of player contracts, so there are car ounds for
that because that was very different. It usually has to
be an individual athlete. So some boxers have bet on themselves. Now,
obviously you can't bet against yourself. I mean that would
raise a lot of red wax good as a fraud.
But yeah, some boxers have gone forward. I think some
(32:59):
of US Sea fighters in the past, or mixed martial
arts fighters, if not UFC in particular, A lot of
the contracts as part of the Players Association do not
allow you to gamble on any sport. Sometimes they'll allow
you to do casino table wagering, But there's always been
the fear that you end up in debt and then
(33:19):
as a way to pay back the debt, you could
give it away if you really want to dive into
the particulars of you know, sports gambling and refs have
always been the ones that team particularly susceptible. Right, So
referees because they don't make as much money. Most of
us bucks set around and said, you know, a guy
(33:41):
making twenty six million dollars is never going to be
dumb enough to risk it all for two hundred thousand
dollars right now. That's the allegation against Terry Rozier in
the NBA. But we would sometimes sit around and say,
you know, if you're an official and you make one
hundred and twenty k, ten grand or five grand to
you is a lot more than to an average athlete.
(34:02):
And so that's always been like the area that I
thought was susceptible. But again, the bright lights of regulation
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We have
been taking off on all different sorts of directions our
thanks to Jim Jordan, who was just with us right there.
We got a ton of different talkback. We were talking
earlier about Minnesota and Sam from Western Minnesota listening on
news Talk eleven thirty one oh three point five radio.
(35:58):
Seven Supreme Court justice is in Minnesota said that a
man who identifies as a woman should be committed, should
be allowed to participate in powerlifting competitions there because it
is a violation of his human rights. This is all
seven Supreme Court justices, all pointed go figure by Democrats.
Sam gg reacting to that is Sam.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
From Western Minnesota. I can tell you right now that
most of the people that live in Minnesota that aren't
in the metro don't believe in this be as Supreme
Court ruling. It's literally the breeks in the metro area
that have taken over the place is garbage and talking
about Minneapolis at the same path.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It is a choked download.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But the rest of us are time cand of say
next time, Sam, please put your jackhammer down while you're.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Uh yeah that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
We got a lot of people from Minnesota weighing in
that are fed up with the decisions being made by
their leadership. That Minnesota Supreme Court case. Again, if you
didn't hear seven oh, a man is having his human
his uh his human rights violated by not being able
to compete as a woman in power. I think someone
in someone in Minnesota maybe has to bring a case
(37:15):
for being either transracial or trans age.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's great, it's a great point.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Just just really start to make these judges, just make
them deal with what's them by their own logical petard
would be one way to put it.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Thanks for being here, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The Virginia governor's race and some other big political showdowns,
including the mayor's race in New York City.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Let's talk about this first.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Up here, polls, balls, tolls, pulls. Do we have a
span Burger? According to New York Times. Here with all
these different poles up nine, up, twelve, up thirteen, up five,
up ten, all this stuff, I don't buy it. Trafalgar
has her up two, which I think.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Is within the margin. Vera where's the margin, Well, almost
the margin, Barrett.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So I think that this is one of these times
where they're trying to tell everybody. On the one hand,
the polls show that Spamberger's a shoe in, but on
the other hand, they're concerned about spam Berger at the
same time. And this is just this is just fun
for us as two guys who make a.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Living doing you know, doing this.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
There's just some basically this has cut seven guys. There's
just some basic stuff here that you want to find
You want to find out before you go in the air.
For example, Mika Brzhinski, who really I think just exists
on television, so that wealthy chardonnay ladies of suburbs of
(02:07):
major cities have somebody that they can look to who
gives them emotional validation in their politics without actually educating
them about any politics.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Because here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The reason that Abigail Spanburger is struggling. I just told
you all the polls say that, oh, she's gonna win
by so much. But the Democrats know it's actually pretty close,
and they're worried, and so they're saying the reason they're
struggling is play is sexism, play seven.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It really is incredible. And you have Abigail Spanberg or
Mikey Cheryl, her background, all the different jobs that she
has held in the military, and also like Elissa Slotkin.
I mean, my god, these women are incredible, and to
them I would.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Say, fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Because we need them.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I mean, this is something that a lot of Democrats
are acting with right now is they've nominated women two
of the last three elections for the presidency lost both.
There are some who say, well, we can't do that again,
the stakes are too high. But of course that does
fall into the same as Rochester trapped.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
The countries have no problem electing women.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Abigail Spanberger is running against a black woman. Yes, so
how is it that Abigail Spanberger being a woman is
the cause of her difficulties?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Claiming I just I just need to understand this.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Not only that she's mentioned Alissa Slotkin, who is running
for governor in Michigan. Michigan has a female governor and
the last Michigan governor's race was our friend Tutor Dixon
running against Gretchen Widmer.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Two women ran against each other.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So this is just do a smidgen of basic or
re search and don't dive headlong into the oppression Olympics,
and you can see that there are women winning elections
all over the country, and sometimes women lose elections all
over the country just.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Like men do.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I don't know that any woman has lost an election
because of her gender. In frankly, the twenty first century,
Hillary was not a great candidate. Barack Obama beater. I
don't think Barack Obama beat her because he was a
black man. I think he beat her because he was
a better candidate. Bernie Sanders would have beaten Hillary, but
(04:39):
he didn't because the DNC actually rigged the election for her,
and Hillary lost because she did a poor job as
a poor candidate campaigning in the battleground states that she
didn't think she had any reason to be concerned about
losing all over the Midwest. And Kamala, regardless of her gender,
may have been the worst candidate anyone has seen, and
(05:02):
she was elevated. I would argue to the Democrat nomination because.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Of a race in her gender.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So if she hadn't been a black woman, I think
there's a decent chance they would have had some sort
of short, open Miny primary. But they were so afraid
of being called racist and sexist inside the Democrat Party
that they just said, Ah, hell, go ahead and put
Kamal up. We'll see what happens. May we get lucky.
If she loses, then so what, We'll blame the fact
that she's a black woman. I just there's a desperate
(05:34):
attempt here to try and make themselves victims and then
the sign of oppression. But it's they're not even doing
the research that's required to even make the argument very well.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Remember when in the I think very watchable movie still
as good as it gets with Jack Nicholson, and do
you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Oh? Yeah's great movie. Yeah, great movie.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Remember when he's a he's a famous author, but obviously
also a very strange guy or very you know, socially
awkward guy, Jack Nicholson. She says, how do you write
women so well? He says, I think of a man,
and then I take away reason and accountabilities. Now I'm
not endorsing that line. I am just saying that Mika
(06:19):
Brusinski is playing right into that by claiming that a
woman losing to a woman is because of sexism. There
is neither reason nor accountability in that analysis for their candidate,
and Katie Couric, who is still in the game somewhat.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I didn't even know this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I thought she was just, you know, counting her millions
and doing whatever. But she still does the journalisming thing. Sometimes.
She called out Abigail Spanberger because it is just too
obvious that Spamberger is trying to riun out the clock
and not answer tough questions and just let the Democrat
machine propel her over the finish line barely because she
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won't tell Jay Jones he's got to drop out. Here's
Spamberger's response to Kurk. Remember j Jones was the guy
running for attorney General. I think he's actually dropped below
me are as now for that AGC.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Looks like hopefully going to win that race because there
has been a consequence from the text chain scandal.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And Katie Kirk's like, hey, Spamburger, you want to be governor,
You got to be able to draw a hard line
on this. Here's what Spamberger says, play eight.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
There's a problem here with j Jones. He's the Democratic
candidate for Virginia Attorney General. He wrote some texts and
they were released basically advocating for political violence against his opponent,
and the Democrats in your state, in other states, I understand,
have renounced his rhetoric, but they have not called on
(07:47):
for a call for him to drop out of the race.
And I'm just curious why is that. I think there's
a couple elements here, and I'll speak broadly but also
reflecting my own opinions.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You know, these texts are years old.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
That's that's her answer. That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
We got we got text a years old. That's the first.
That's the first thing we're going with.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I what I come back to.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
First of all, Spamburger is a far left wing candidate,
and Virginians are being sold a bill of goods, much
like we were told that Joe Biden was Grandpa Joe
and he was going to be a very moderate Scranton Joe,
middle of the road leader, and then as soon as
he got in he did everything the super left wing
of the party wanted him to do. Abigail Spamberger will
do that exact same thing in Virginia, and a lot
(08:37):
of Virginians are being sold a bill of goods here,
and they're going to wake up in a year and
a half or two years and say, how did this happen.
How are there all these dudes in women's locker rooms?
How is my daughter playing a volleyball game against a
six foot five dude who's smashing volleyball on the other
side of the net. It's going to because Abigail Spamberger says, well,
we have to respect the gender identity of these teenage
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boys who are pretending to be girls. That's the reality.
By the way, this is crazy. Did you see, Buck?
The Minnesota Supreme Court voted seven to zero in the
judged seven zero all Democrat appointees, that a powerlifter, male
powerlifter was being discriminated against, his human rights were being
(09:22):
discriminated against, and he had to be allowed by the
powerlifting association to compete as a woman. This is a
big friggin' dude. Yeah, you know, like powerlifting, of all things, Buck,
you would think with strength, I mean, this is basically
the most thing that masculinity matters the most on powerlifting
of all things. Seven zero, he has to be able
(09:43):
to compete in women's athletics.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
This is a reminder everyone their plan, the Democrat, the
Left's plan on the trans agenda, trans rights. Whatever is
not to moderate is not to become rational. Their plan
is to ride this out until they can force the
insanity on you via the state. They can use state
(10:09):
power first in places like Minnesota and then California. They
can use state power to make you do this and
make you pretend claid right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This is their Their.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Plan is to just wait till the shoe is on
the other foot and decide that they can make us comply.
It's like we saw with COVID. It's different in terms
of obviously what we're talking about, but just they're gonna
use state force to make you do crazy stuff on
trans the second they can. You're gonna be told clap
for the two hundred and fifty pound dude winning the
(10:43):
powerlifting competitions and say his name is Sally and he's
actually a girl or else.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's the plan.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I mean, for those of you out there who would say, oh,
this is an exaggerated issue, seven members of the Supreme
Court of the State of Minnesota just said it's a
violation of this dude's human rights. For the Powerlifting Association
to say you're actually a man, you're not allowed to compete.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is absolutely I mean, I know you're not saying
this it is absolutely not an exaggerated issue on our side.
They make it an issue, and then when people pay attention,
they say, what are you talking about? It's not that
big a deal. It's not happening that much. This is
the argument of cowards. They won't stand behind the argument
until you know. It's like the person who will only
pick a fight with somebody when he's got his ten
(11:28):
buddies there. Yeah, they only want the fight when they
know that they'll be able to use force to win.
They don't want to actually have the debate in public.
They don't want people to understand what's going on here,
and they want to do this in states like Minnesota, which.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
What has happened.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I used to go camping in Minnesota as a kid,
so many nice people, no crime, lovely place. All I
see is bad stuff now about at least what's going
on in politics. And I'm sure there's still nice camping sites,
but politics and in Minneapolis, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I think this is Minnesota. Nice is a real thing,
and many of you in Minnesota know it. I think
Minnesota may be the foremost example of toxic empathy ruining
a state because they have convinced a lot of people. Well,
if you don't acknowledge that. I mean, there was the
Minnesota where a dude pitched as a woman and won
(12:22):
his girls team that went the softball championship. Like a
six foot two dude was saying, hey identify as a girl,
and they won a Minneapolis Minisaari Minnesota state softball championship.
They beat all these other girl teams. So they're trying
to be kind. This is where I think it comes from, Buck.
I think it's a good point. They're trying to be kind.
(12:43):
Same thing with George Floyd. Oh, you know this is
so unacceptable. Look that this is how black people are
treated all over Minnesota, all over the country. The BLM protest.
What happened to George Floyd was a crazy outlier, and
what we could do probably whole shit, the calamity surrounding
the criminal prosecution and everything else of Derek Chauvin in
(13:06):
that entire case. But the fact that they didn't shut
down the protest, the fact that Tim Walls and his
wife bragged about leaving the mansion windows open so they
could spell the city burning, as if that was somehow
a sign of pride. There's a lot of white guilt
I think there's a lot of white kindness that has
(13:26):
been used to drive toxic results all over the state
of Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, the courtesy of people on the right, the innate kindness,
desire for respect, civility, and decency has unfortunately been used
as a trojan horse for the left wing radical agenda
on the trans stuff the whole time, the whole time.
Come on, this person's having tough time. Just use the name,
(13:53):
just use the pronoun, just be inclusive. So now it's
that's not masio man, Randy Savage, you know, throwing elbows
at these little girls and breaking their noses.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That's Tina.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
No, it's macho man, Randy Savage. I mean you see
the picture of the powerlifter in Minnesota. I mean it
is a huge it's dude, man. I mean powerlifting. For
those of you who don't lift, men who powerlift are
freakishly large dudes in the first place, right, I mean,
powerlifting is maybe the most aggressively masculine way to lift
(14:27):
weights on the planet. So of all the things that
you could be using to try to compete as a
man in a women's sports, powerlifting might be is this
fairbuck might be the sport where you have almost the
biggest advantage.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes, I will so I a long time ago, and
don't come at me crossfitters. I think CrossFit actually does
is very injury prone and I'm not a fan, but anyway,
it's not for me. A long time ago, I used
to go to a CrossFit gym and you know your
you'd put your stuff up there, and there were there
were women in there who had quads the size of
telephone polls. I'm just saying, very very strong. You and
(15:03):
I can both bench more than they can easily, yes,
and and and people will sit there and make fun
of us for being slouchy looking radio hosts, which fair,
but we can both bench more than the most correct
So like, are we really going to do that?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
We really are going to do this. We're really going
to do this, you.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Know, wild wild stuff, so I. And that's where we are, folks.
The answer is yes, they're not backing off this. You
have to pretend that it's not macho man Randy Savage.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are
rolling through a lot of different stories out there that
all of you are following along with.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Let me update you on one.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
President Trump just said he's not gonna surge federal forces
in San Francisco after a late night call with San
Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie. And also he says that Lourie
is doing a decent job, says that they are on
the process of trying to fix San Francisco. Sounds like
Jensen Wong and Mark Binoff and I'm Missteran Wang. Yeah,
(17:32):
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Speaker 3 (17:35):
The Mark Binoff.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The other big prominent San Francisco also have talked with
Trump and persuaded him not to surge federal enforcement.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So that just came down.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
If you're listening to us in the Bay Area or
maybe traveling to the Bay Area soon, they are saying
that things are improving and the mayor has pledged to
take aggressive action and let him see if he can
fix it instead of President Trump coming in again. That
a truth social post that was just put out by
President Trump in the last.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Couple I like this, by the way. I like that
Trump is establishing that. Hey, look, you can be a
Democrat mayor in a Democrat city. If you want to
be reasonable and take the proper steps to keep people safe, great,
we'll work with you. And you know, God bless you
want to be a maniac and pretend like everything's fine,
like they've been doing in Chicago, we might just have
(18:28):
to send the Feds in there to clean things up
a bit.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
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It's not good for anyone. It's likely to go on
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
We have a Congressman Jim Jordan with us in the
mix today.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
What's going on? Congressman?
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Hi, guys's doing. It's good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Can I there's a few things we have on the
agenda for you today. Sure to talk about in the news,
But the shutdown starting to feel like, uh, the Democrats
are playing a bit of chick here and maybe not
going to.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Pull off pull off the road.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
There's word that this could create a shortage in like
food stamps for people, and what what is going on here?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Well, I mean, you guys have talked about this. We
all know this is about the crazy left that now
unfortunately has control of one of our major political parties.
And like I said this, I think the first week
this happened, Chuck Schumer is having a debate with Chuck
Schumer because he was for this six months ago, but
now he's not. And it's the darn same darn thing.
But yeah, it's all about their their left. But I've
(20:35):
been telling people this underscores why the midterms are so important,
because the same mindset that says we won't vote for
what we voted for before we're going to shut down
the government is the same mindset if they can get control,
we'll we'll go after President Trump will and peach him
and do all this stuff that they did, you know
in his first term. That's that's that's what the stake here.
So I think the country seeded this for just being ridiculous. Uh,
(20:57):
And hopefully it ends sometime soon. But but like like
like you, Buck, I don't know, and they go for
a while.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Jim, do you think this is related directly to Chuck
Schumer being afraid of AOC and UH and thinking that
she might primary him in New York.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Because he got Can I just add question, Yeah, I
don't want to is that the bigger issue or is
the Obamacare subsidies? In people realizing they're both issues? But
which one do you think is driving this more? The
Schumer shut down or the Obamacare thing?
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Well, I think it's probably the former, because remember it
looks like even leader Jeffries may get a primary in
New York City. So I do think it's this phenomenon
that the hard left hass control of that party. But
I think that is driving this. And remember Chuck Schumer
took all kinds of heat from the left, including frankly
from Hakeem Jeffries back in March when he when he
(21:51):
allowed the Senate to pass the continuing Resolution. So I
think that is is certainly big. But then they pick
healthcare because that's the only they think they have the
only thing that polling shows they might have some somewhat
of an advantage if you can trust the polls, because
it wasn't going to run on you know, letting more
people into the country like they did on border security.
They're going to run on raising people's taxes. They're going
(22:13):
to run on men and women's sports. I mean, there's
no other issues they really have, so foreign policies the
President's been amazing. So I think I think it's a combination.
But I do think it's driven primarily by the hard
left and the fact that that he may get a primary,
the Senate leader for the Democrats may get a primary,
and now there's talk of a team getting one as
a King Jeffers getting one as well.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
So when you break all this down, I said, hey,
I think they didn't want to have the shut down
because the no Kings protest is going on, Jim, and
they didn't want to like bend the knee right beforehand.
Now my sort of political antenna are up, and it's
suggesting maybe they are in a bigger scrap than they
anticipated with the Virginia race for governor and lieutenant governor
(22:59):
and Hearney General, and they somehow feel as if if
the government is shut down, maybe left wing voters in
northern Virginia are more motivated to come out.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Do you think that's also in play?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Here, because that's really it doesn't make any sense that
this this battle would be going on and they would
have so little at stake by and large to not
be willing to keep moving along.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Yeah, that that may in fact be the case, and
so we may be, we may be in this till
till November fifth or longer, you know, after election day.
But you know, I would also just ever underestimate just
this funt this phenomena about the left hatred for President Trump.
I mean this whole you know, we've we've talked before.
Trump's arrangement syndrome is a real thing, and these so
(23:43):
many people on the left really have this just this
phenomena going on, and they are just out in any way.
They think it's harmful to the president, harmful to Republicans. Therefore,
and even if it's something as ridiculous as shutting down
the government because you won't vote for what you've already
supported for good Wait, we made this so simple. Here's
(24:05):
the cr it's short term, it's what you voted on,
I mean, and you can't vote for that. Like they're saying,
we need to compromise.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
We've already did.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
We've given you the bill that you support six months ago.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
For goodness sake, speaking of Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio.
You all know Congressman Jordan, and New York Post certainly
knows him because they've got him in a side by
side here I see with former CIA Director Brennan. Because
Congress and tell.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Us what's going on here.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
There's been a referral by the House Judiciary Committee A
regarding XCIA director Brennan for lying under oath.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
What's happening?
Speaker 9 (24:42):
Yeah, well, you all know you're not supposed to lie,
but you're definitely not supposed to lie when you're under
oath talking to Congress. And it looks like that's exactly
what John Brennan did. And it looks like he did
that because God bless Tlsea Gabbert, the Director of National Intelligence,
declassify the report from the House and held his committee
from a few years ago. And that report says just
(25:03):
to what Brennan told us in this deposition. He told us, oh,
I was not involved with the dossier at all during
the whole Russia hoax, Bloni, and I didn't want it
included an intelligence community assessment. Well, then we get to
declassify the report from Director Gabbard, and it says just
the opposite. It says, oh no, it warrants the dossier
warrants being included in the IICA. And I mean a
(25:26):
person at the CIA concerned the Director and said, Director,
this dossier is garbage. It does the underlying intelligence is
just not there. We shouldn't use it. And Brennan's response was,
according to this CI official, yeah, but doesn't it ring true,
just demonstrating his motive, his bias, his his you know,
out to get President Trump attitude. And so look, I
(25:48):
don't do many of these. I've only done a few
of these referrals because I think you really got to
have the evidence that they violated eighteen USC. One thousand
and one, which says you can't lie to Congress when
they're and impede their investigation. But we did it with Brennan,
and we point out in the letter this is part
of the pattern with this guy, because I think he
also lied to Trey Gudi when Trey questioned him a
few years back on the same issue. And of course
(26:11):
the irony was guys, we were deposing Brennan as part
of a different investigation. We were deposing him because he
was one of the fifty one guys who signed the letter,
the now famous letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was
the Russian information operation when they had to stay afty,
I had to stink at laptop and knew it wasn't.
So we were deposing on that. But we get into
this other Russia stuff and he lies to us about that,
(26:31):
and that's why we think this is this is the
facts are strong, and we we sent the letter to
Attorney General BONDI.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
We're talking to Representative Jim Jordan from the great State
of Ohio. Jim, when you look at what Trump has done.
We were just up in Fort Wayne, Indiana yesterday, Buck
and I were, and I think you can make a
strong argument that this is the greatest year that we
have ever seen of any president in terms of total
(26:59):
impact what he's been made, not just promises.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
This is what we're talking to the WOBO folks about,
is that Trump is racking up the scoreboard. Sorry click, yeah, No,
it's exactly right. And when you look at you were
there for Trump one point zero, how much more efficient
and effective do you think the first year of Trump
two point zero has been than anything we saw Trump
one point Oh? What do you attribute it to and
do you sign on to that take that that that
(27:23):
we put out there and that we've been arguing quite
a bit on this show.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent signed on to what you guys said.
It's it's been an amazing nine months. Rankly, just just
truly amazing. I thought his first term was amazing. But
I do think this is better for a couple of reasons. One,
he's just focused. He's he's been through this before. He
knows how crazy the media is going to be, how
crazy the left's going to be, and it's not deterring him.
He's focused on the mission. Second, the people he's put
in in running these key agencies are actually Trump people.
(27:49):
The first time he had Rex Tillerson for goodnes say, he
Jeff Sessions for goodnes sake running you know, State and Justice.
They weren't necessarily on the team. So but the team
he's put together and we deal with the Justice, I
mean Pam Bonni, Todd Blinch, Cash, Betel Dan Bond. These
guys are good people who are focused on doing their
job the way it's supposed to be in serving the taxpayers.
And then finally I would say this, I always say
(28:11):
we make this job of politics way too complicated, fury
dar and simple. What did you tell the folks you
were going to do when you ran for the job.
If you get elected, go do what you said. And
no one has done it better than President Trump. He
said he would cut taxes, he did. He said he'd
get men out of women's sports. He has. He said
he would make sure Iran doesn't get nuclear capabilities with
the help of Isra on our great milcher, he accomplishes that.
He said that he would take sure the border for
(28:33):
goodness sake, he accomplished that in just a few months.
So on and on it goes. And he's just focused
on doing what he said what he was elected to do.
And that's what's frustrating the Democrats and why they got
to like, oh, we're going to have to shut down
the government and create some crazy Obamacare issue to justify that,
because he is doing what he said he would do
and getting it done in just an amazing way.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Congressman, how are we looking for I know it's a
year out, but because we're all focused on this upcoming election,
at least in a few places, some big races are happening.
New York I mean, sorry, New Jersey, Virginia, well, New York,
New York City, mayor, how are you feeling about the Republicans'
chances in the House, especially given that this administration is
(29:20):
getting things done, the Republican Party is keeping its promises,
and you know, how do you wargain that out a
year from now?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I feel good.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
I mean I feel like we break the trend, because
the trend is typically against this when you're the party
in power in the White House's up in the midterms.
But I feel good because of the record we just
talked about, because of recruiting good candidates, I do think
redistricting is going to net out in favor of awesome.
I mean, it's happening in so many different states. It's
in the news every day, it seems. And then finally,
I Trump has just fundamentally changed American politics. I mean,
(29:51):
I look at Young's Town, Ohio. I mean, you can
look at our whole state, but take young Town, Ohio,
young Town o Hilo. Now, how the Republican member of
Congress representing the city, the state senators are Publican, and
the state reps in that area Republican as well. Twenty
five years ago, this is the most Democrat area in
the state on that country maybe, and now it's represented
by Republicans because he has fundamentally changed the party and politics.
(30:14):
And this I think truly fighting for middle class, working
class and all Americans, and I think that that message
is getting to it.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Good Luck to the Buckeyes as the season continues, Congressman.
I think they are going to continue to roll. And
I know you got Wisconsin connections too. Good luck to
them because I think they really need it.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Oh man, poor Fickle, it's been toughy. You gotta have
a quarterback to win games, and it's just been tough
for the Badgers, no doubt about it. What the buck
guys are, as you point out, looking good. You did
great on the I caught you earlier on this crazy
NBA story.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, I mean, what's your take on that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I mean, this is like we started off the show
talking about this, and obviously I was talking about it
on Fox News too.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I mean, this is just all bonkers.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
Huh, oh kidding. I was joking with Arpedia guy. I said,
makes you long for the good old days when Pete
Rose only bet for the Reds to win. Yeah, And
as I know, it was not involved with the mob.
I mean, yeah, this is this is uh yeah, this
is wild and throlling games that I hadn't. I haven't
seen the videos, but people tell me, like there's some
(31:20):
videos of uh the oh.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean you watch you watch some of these plays.
I mean, yeah, it is. It is bad. It is
very bad. Congressman Jim Jordan, keep up the good work.
Uh and we'll have you on whenever it makes sense.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
All right, We'll see you guys.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Take care, Conkson, appreciate you can. I see a quick
question Clay actually about this. Yeah, have people tried to
make the case because to me, again as a as
a not not as you know, not somebody who does
the sports stuff professional or college a lot. But if
you want to bet on your team, why is that bad?
You know, like if I'm a player, if I'm a
(31:57):
quarterback and I want to bet a million dollars that
my team can win, I understand obviously it's fraud if
you're going against your team, because the implication is you
always want your team to win. But do people ever
make that case that there's something very different about I
have full faith that I'm gonna win this, so I'm
gonna put putting money on yourself versus I'm just wondering
about that because yeah, well I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You lose, Yeah, Pete Rose did that. You lose, and
eventually you end up having to pay back the money.
So it just puts you out of whack. Now, to
be fair, boxers do it all the time. Boxers in
Vegas have gone in and said, hey, I'm gonna put
I think Floyd Mayweather did it. I'm gonna put a
million dollars down on me to win, like I'm gonna
(32:39):
walk into a casino. So certain leagues prohibit it as
part of player contracts, so there are car ounds for
that because that was very different. It usually has to
be an individual athlete. So some boxers have bet on themselves. Now,
obviously you can't bet against yourself. I mean that would
raise a lot of red wax good as a fraud.
But yeah, some boxers have gone forward. I think some
(32:59):
of US Sea fighters in the past, or mixed martial
arts fighters, if not UFC in particular, A lot of
the contracts as part of the Players Association do not
allow you to gamble on any sport. Sometimes they'll allow
you to do casino table wagering, But there's always been
the fear that you end up in debt and then
(33:19):
as a way to pay back the debt, you could
give it away if you really want to dive into
the particulars of you know, sports gambling and refs have
always been the ones that team particularly susceptible. Right, So
referees because they don't make as much money. Most of
us bucks set around and said, you know, a guy
(33:41):
making twenty six million dollars is never going to be
dumb enough to risk it all for two hundred thousand
dollars right now. That's the allegation against Terry Rozier in
the NBA. But we would sometimes sit around and say,
you know, if you're an official and you make one
hundred and twenty k, ten grand or five grand to
you is a lot more than to an average athlete.
(34:02):
And so that's always been like the area that I
thought was susceptible. But again, the bright lights of regulation
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We have
been taking off on all different sorts of directions our
thanks to Jim Jordan, who was just with us right there.
We got a ton of different talkback. We were talking
earlier about Minnesota and Sam from Western Minnesota listening on
news Talk eleven thirty one oh three point five radio.
(35:58):
Seven Supreme Court justice is in Minnesota said that a
man who identifies as a woman should be committed, should
be allowed to participate in powerlifting competitions there because it
is a violation of his human rights. This is all
seven Supreme Court justices, all pointed go figure by Democrats.
Sam gg reacting to that is Sam.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
From Western Minnesota. I can tell you right now that
most of the people that live in Minnesota that aren't
in the metro don't believe in this be as Supreme
Court ruling. It's literally the breeks in the metro area
that have taken over the place is garbage and talking
about Minneapolis at the same path.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It is a choked download.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But the rest of us are time cand of say
next time, Sam, please put your jackhammer down while you're.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Uh yeah that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
We got a lot of people from Minnesota weighing in
that are fed up with the decisions being made by
their leadership. That Minnesota Supreme Court case. Again, if you
didn't hear seven oh, a man is having his human
his uh his human rights violated by not being able
to compete as a woman in power. I think someone
in someone in Minnesota maybe has to bring a case
(37:15):
for being either transracial or trans age.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's great, it's a great point.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Just just really start to make these judges, just make
them deal with what's them by their own logical petard
would be one way to put it.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
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