January 9, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers breaking updates and sharp analysis on the Minneapolis ICE shooting controversy, alongside cultural commentary that sparks listener engagement. The hour begins with the release of exclusive bodycam-style footage from the ICE officer’s perspective, published by Alpha News. Clay and Buck emphasize that the video confirms the officer acted lawfully in self-defense after the activist accelerated her vehicle toward him, refuting claims by Mayor Jacob Frey and Governor Tim Walz that the shooting was unjustified. The hosts argue that Democrat rhetoric and anti-ICE activism have created a dangerous environment where individuals obstruct federal law enforcement for social media clout, noting the partner’s audible command to “Drive baby drive” before the fatal moment.
On-the-ground reporting from Brecca Stoll of The Daily Wire adds depth to the discussion. Brecca categorizes protesters into three groups: brainwashed activists parroting woke jargon like “white tears,” aggressive agitators hurling insults such as “Nazis” and “terrorists,” and paid organizers who appear to operate on a schedule. She describes scenes at protest hotspots, including ICE field offices and downtown Minneapolis intersections, and warns of potential escalation over the weekend despite frigid temperatures. Brecca also exposes business backlash, citing a McDonald’s franchise that posted a sign banning ICE agents—a move quickly disavowed by corporate—and reports of hotels refusing service to federal officers. Clay and Buck frame these incidents as evidence of corporate America’s hypersensitivity post-Bud Light controversy.
The conversation then shifts to legal standards for use of force, with Buck leveraging his law enforcement training to explain why the shooting meets the criteria for a “clean shoot.” He outlines key principles of self-defense law, including reasonable fear of imminent harm and lawful scope of duty, underscoring that bodycam footage has become a critical tool in debunking false narratives. The hosts argue that body cameras have defeated BLM-style propaganda, proving that most officers act appropriately under extreme circumstances.
Hour 2 closes with lighter—but fiery—listener-driven debates on regional food controversies, ignited by Clay’s takedown of Cincinnati chili and Buck’s critique of Philly cheesesteaks. Talkbacks flood in defending hometown favorites, while Clay doubles down on his claim that Skyline Chili is “atrocious.” The segment expands into playful banter about mozzarella-making classes, New York pizza, and culinary pride, blending humor with cultural commentary.
This hour combines breaking news on immigration enforcement and law-and-order issues with relatable lifestyle content, making it a must-listen for anyone tracking the intersection of politics, media narratives, and American culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are going to
be joined on the ground in Minneapolis momentarily by Brecca Stole,
who is there covering the protests in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
But first let me let you know that.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
There is now a video of the ICE officer who
engaged in the shooting, of his perspective immediately before the
shooting took place, that is going to soon be everywhere.
It has been shared by a group called Alpha News.
(00:41):
I believe it makes it quite clear that she was
there to be an antagonist, that she was not somehow,
as they have suggested, a just a mom who showed
up at the event. She was there parked trying to
obstruct the ICE agents from doing their job, and Buck
she drove. She was obstructing, which is why actually circled
the car. She thought that she had a right, which
(01:02):
she did not. And it is a violation of law
to get in the middle of an ICE operation and stop.
This is like that judge that helped the illegal if
you aid ICE in the court in Milwaukee. If I
remember Hannah Dugan, I think something like that, you do
not have the right to do this. She was in
the wrong and Clay, I watched the video. It's a
(01:25):
clean shoot. Sorry, this woman lost her life. It's a
clean shoot. And I've worked at a law enforcement agency.
I've sat through all the training. The guy did nothing wrong.
Breca Stole joins us. Now. Breca, you've been doing great
work on the ground in Minneapolis for the Daily Wire,
(01:46):
and we appreciate you making the time to join us
now from Minneapolis. Have you seen that new video yet?
To what extent in your experience have many of the
protesters there been looking at these videos? What is the
on the ground reaction? And again the breaking news of
this video that has just been released that appears to
(02:07):
be the ice officer's perspective at the time of the shooting.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I claim buck great to be with you guys, but
so I just saw the video. I didn't see or
I didn't cut and hear all the audio. But I
saw her friend, you know, go filming everything, and on
the ground there is a little bit of a delayed reaction.
I think the protesters, you know, they're actively screaming at
Ice field officers. That looks like in law enforcement, and
so they are occupied through their protesting activities. I'm sure
(02:36):
information about this will get out soon, but they are
very firm in their beliefs that I did something wrong
and that they reacted. They continue to say she was murdered,
and I don't think they're willing to listen to really
any evidence or anything that another side or person has
to deliver.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And it's now I think going to go to a
whole new level of this video that we were just discussing.
And what's your sense, Breca for how this is going
to weigh into the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, I think it's really interesting because it does show,
like you said, she she was filming this, Like I
think this really was for TikTok. I think this is
just part of their movement, trying to get word out that,
you know, just kind of defend their side.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
They wanted to distract Ice.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And it's so interesting to me that you come into
the situation and someone's job in law enforcement and you
just think you're so entitled to be there and filming everything,
because at the reality, like this is a difficult job
and for these law enforcements who take their job very
seriously to have to deal with someone, you know, tiktoking
and trying to make a viral video out of this
would be incredibly distracting, and I just think it's it's dangerous,
(03:48):
first of all, and so it's just interesting to see
that these people do it. And it's honestly, I think
the protesters coming out that I've seen on the street
are doing the same thing. Like they're distracting law enforcements
from guarding the ice Field facility because you know, they
know they have to come out there because otherwise these
protesters are going to be at their doors. And so
what you have is them spending all day in a
(04:09):
back and force them, egging them on, screaming terrible insults
at them. And it's like you are distracting these people
from doing their jobs over and over again. And it's
really interesting to see it when we know, like when
stuff happens and problems occur, you call nine one one,
and when something bad is happening, you rely on these
police officers. You rely on law enforcement and come and
(04:30):
save the day.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're talking to Brekastole. She is on the ground.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
We played earlier a clip of you interviewing a woman
who talked about her white tears and how she didn't
even feel like she was maybe even justified in being
there because she was not as oppressed as black and
brown people. Do you think she's representative of the average
protester that you are seeing? And I mean, in many ways,
(04:57):
how did you keep a straight face? I thought you
did a really good interviewing her, and it's obviously gone
very viral. But do you think that she is representative
of the average worldview of people that are protesting in
Minneapolis right now?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Okay, so there's three types of protesters that I'm seeing
that I feel like groups. You can categorize them in brainwashed, scary,
and paid.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I'll start with brainwashed first, which is the woman I
talked to.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So when I'm talking to her, she comes up to
me and she was crying, and I have that before
in the video, but she's upset, and so I just
let her talk. And obviously, you know, I feel bad
for this woman.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
She's obviously very.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Upset, and so talking to her, I think she's about
to tell me she feels it's wrong for her to
be here because it's an eerie, solemn feeling. That's the
direction I thought she was going into. And she then
tells me it's actually because she's a white woman, and
you know, in an interview, you're always trying to be respectful,
You're always just trying to listen to what people say.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And I was like, this woman is upset, and she
clearly believes this.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
She has been brainwashed to think that she's not be
at the scene of another white woman's death because she's white.
And to say that white tears are not always necessary
and helpful was just very odd to me. And so
you know what, you just keep the straight face, you
keep listening, and you're just trying to understand why she
thinks this and where she's coming from. And then the
(06:19):
other two types of protesters I'm seeing are scary, like
I said, and make these are the ones to yell
these insults at law enforcement where it's like they're saying,
you guys are terrorists, go kill yourself.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
You guys are Nazis.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And so it's just like you put those in a
whole other category and you're like, Okay, these people have
so much anger, and this is the potential where you
might see something like the George Floyd riots, when people
get so angry they get destructive. So that's the group
where I would see if something bad happens, like potentially
on Saturday, you might start seeing that from that group
of protesters. The third one, I say paid. I heard
(06:55):
a woman yesterday talk about how we hit the goal
time and could you know, and I think she thought
I was part of the group, and I said, what
do you mean the full time and she said, oh,
we're good, we don't need to be here anymore. And
so I grouped that into the potentially paid, potentially organized.
And those are you see protesters hurling out insults like
you know, to law enforcement as I hope your hotel
(07:17):
has bed bugs, and I'm like, okay, just quite a
spectrum of people we got here on the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Bed bugs. That's really that's really tough. Yeah, that's me.
I say.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So you've been able to talk, you've been able to
talk to someone them. By the way, good on you
for the bravery for dealing with some of these these maniacs.
And please, you know, keep your head on a swivel.
My friend Andy No has been dealing with lunatic protesters
for many, many years, and they are lunatics and they
are dangerous sometimes, so please make sure that you're using
(07:50):
best practices out there on the street. To keep yourself
as safe as you can under the circumstances. Is it
your sense that this is dying down or are they
just getting for the weekend because it is called up
there in Minneapolis in the middle of January m so.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
It's freezing, and it's like yesterday we saw five thousand
and six thousand protesters, you know, marching for hours when
it's fleeting, and so that's interesting. And then today I
have notice it is quieter today, and I think that's
because Tim Waltz.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Put out that video which he called for a.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Moment of silence for Renee Good at ten am and
just hoping to get people like time. So I think
the protesters are taking into that. There's three main places
where they're gathering. That's the scene of Renee's death, the
ice Field office, and then where they organized that protest
in like this intersection downtown, and all of those scenes
have been much quieter today. And I keep hearing last
(08:48):
night at the visual scene they were staying on Saturday,
we're gonna come out here, and so I think they're
using this as kind of a day to recoup, and
then they're coming back stronger than ever on Saturday. And
interesting to see, because I talked to people on the
street and I said, and they were telling me they
think the violence from George Floyd reflected bad on the
(09:09):
Black Lives Matter movement, and so they're trying to use
extra precaution because they don't want violence from this movement
to distract how they feel about ice.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
And so that's what they're worried about.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And they keep saying they don't want Donald Trump to
make an example out of Minneapolis. So I think that
is the main reason for why so far there hasn't
been much destruction.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We're talking to breakast stole of the Daily Wire you
had it. Also, you've done a really good job on
the ground. I've seen several of your videos going viral.
And McDonald's in the area put up a sign that
said they would not allow ice workers to come in
and buy sandwiches, get hamburgers, whatnot. Also we had the
(09:52):
hotel that said we're not going to allow people to
stay there. I tell us what you found with McDonald's
and the hotel and what whther you think that might
be indicative. We talked about this on the show. Somewhat
of a continued shift in the way that big business
is responding after the bud light incident. It seems like
anytime one of these stories go viral, we get an
(10:13):
immediate response. But for real, who didn't see what happened
with McDonald's. Tell us what you found there.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So we were taking a bathroom break from interviewing people
on the street and we go into McDonald's and right
on the door says a sign that says ice is
not allowed here. And so when we interviewed the security
guard inside and we're like, how and also interesting that
the McDonald's had a security guard. He just talked about
how bad the area is and how McDonald has hired him.
(10:41):
He also was about to take our order, so that
was already interesting. But the security guard said he wasn't
sure how the sign got there, but he said it
was private property, and that's what the business decided. Now,
when you actually think about what probably happened here is
you think about McDonald's and they you know, they've just
let Trump be a fry cook during his campaign for
(11:04):
their team, so you know that they did not want
they did not want to say ice was not allowed
into their office. And I can tell by their quickness
to respond to me for comments when they said this
was not authorized by corporate and so what has probably
happened here is it's a franchisee owner who maybe wasn't him,
probably a manager, could even be a woke employee at
(11:26):
the McDonald's who put that sign on the door. And
you see McDonald's actively through their comment and their quickness
to give it to me saying that this is not
okay and obviously ice would be allowed in our stores.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Thank you for the work you're doing, Breca, appreciate it.
Like I said, stay safe and the Lennone throw any
snowballs at.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You and talk to you against it and stay warm.
That sounds miserable to me. The work you're doing is important,
but I can't imagine how frigid it is, so stay warm.
You're getting good stuff, and stay safe.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Great to be with you today.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
She's doing really good work. We wanted to find somebody
on the ground. You can go follow her. She's posting
a lot of videos if you're curious what it actually
looks like amid the protest. Really good work there, Brecastole
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into this here we go. I knew this was gonna happen.
It's time for me to get a little heat.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Clay steers right into it. You know, he's like and
as always tell you, the more you get angry at
a Clay take the deeper He goes on the take.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So just remember that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Okay, this is like telling someone please don't play with
those fireworks. They make a really big boom. Like he's
now he's gonna run off into the woods with the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
One hundred percent. Here we have Daniel.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
This is Ee on the talkbacks, Daniel from Pennsylvania who
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Speaker 8 (14:51):
Okay, guys, I was loving your show until you went
after the Philly cheese. State Man, Either you need to
see a doctor or you need to have your taste
buds checked or something, because the Philly cheese steak is
God's gift to man.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm with him.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think you're you're just you're out to lunch. No
pun intended on this one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Clay. Clay supports you on the cheese. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Anything that required that has cheese whiz added to it
is just not gourmet.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It is.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
It's just it's two peasants for my taste buds. I
cannot get excited about cheese with. So now there are
fancy cheese steaks out there. If you're gonna slice up
some delicious seasoned sirloin, melt some cheese on it, and Clay.
I'm gonna admit something, Carrie, my wife, we made it.
We went to a mozzarella making class last night to
(15:43):
learn how to make mozzarella. And I will also admit
that I didn't. You're supposed to make it and bring
it home. I couldn't get I just ate it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Were there people in the mozzarella making class? Or is
it just like twenty p It was like a cooking class,
but for making mozzarella. So it was we had a
little date, so we made I made.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
As it was it all dates? Was like, what is it?
All male? Female? Were there any none?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
It was married? It was married couples from the neighborhood
pretty much. Yeah, not really, no surprise there. You know
everyone was talking about like when they had to get
back to their babysitter, including us.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So, but we made some mozzarella. Let me tell you
fresh montzrella.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Romantic, very romantic fresh. Uh So that is fun and
you're wrong on the chiefe steak. But I'm going to
take on some some approbrium here. I'm going to take
on some some negativity maybe from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You asked the question, which I thought was a good one.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Is there any regional delicacy that you have tried that
you are just like, this is not very good. The
whole Cincinnati chili thing, like the spaghetti chili stuff, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It is.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I tried it, and I understand that in Cincinnati there
is a full on revolt that may well be happening
right now.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Through throughout radio. It's awful.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
They should be in arrist in Cincinnati for that to
be the food that they are famous for.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It is atrocious.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I've never heard anybody who comes to Nashville, for instance,
where I live, and says, you know what's really bad?
Fried chicken? You know, hot fried chicken. It's awful, and
no one would ever say it because it would be
a lie. But this Cincinnati chili stuff, buck, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I tried.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I've never even heard of it. I'm looking at a
photo of it right now. Looks like dog food. Not
gonna lie. Can't can't get excited about that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And look, I'm a pro spaghetti, I'm pro chili. I
am not pro the combination of the two. It's awful.
It's really a bad combo. I don't know where it started.
I don't know who's responsible for it, but you can
do better, Cincinnati, You have done better in the past.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Pete Rose is rolling over.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
In his grave right now over this ff Reggie Quick
from North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Hit this one.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
New York style pizza. Totally overrated. I've tried it. I
don't get it. Nothing amazing about it, the whole gotta
have a slice. No, I've had better, way better.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, he's wrong. It's good. First of all.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I don't if you're coming after pizza, It's like, what
have you got going on in your life? Pizza is
pretty much good everywhere. I've never had bad pizza looking
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back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's circle
back again, and right about the end of the first hour,
a video of the ice officer's perspective was released by
a company called a media site called Alpha News. We
(19:16):
talked with the Brekastole on the ground, but I think Buck,
maybe we can circle back to this because it is
not yet airing anywhere on Fox News, CNN or MSNBC.
My guess is they're probably trying to validate it themselves,
because this is an exclusive that Alpha News has.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Let's start with this.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You and I are not experts by any stretch of
the imagination and what is fake and what is real.
I will say, though this appears to be very valid,
I don't think this could be AI. I don't think
they could fake this, right? Would you say? We're all
going to be called upon for many different videos in
the years ahead. Is this real or is this fake?
(20:00):
Is probably the number one thing all of us are
going to have to do when we watch videos that
go viral. You and I have watched this video. I
would say with almost one hundred percent certainty. This appears
to be the real video of the perspective of the
ice agent that fired these shots. Yeah, the best thing
you can do these days is try to look for
(20:21):
some visual tells for it to be AI.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And there are some out there. By the way, there
might not be for all that much longer. As these
videos get more and more advanced, then you're really just
trying to go on chain of custody, who had this,
who posted it. But yeah, I have very little doubt
that this video I have. I'm ninety nine percent sure
this video is real.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I would say that I would go even higher. I
mean it would.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You would have to be the greatest AI artist of
all time to fake this when you see the different
perspectives involved. So let's break it down. Because people can't
see it yet and you can't even you can go
on social media and you can watch it at Clay Travis,
at Buck Sexton. We have shared it at the Clay
and Buck Show. So this is one where if you
want to see for yourself and make your own determination,
(21:05):
we encourage you to go look at the video that
we have shared on our social media feeds. Now, with
that in mind, Buck, you have trained I'm gonna make
you the expert here. You have trained I've done this
a little bit because from a legal perspective, I've done it,
but you have spent a lot of time training on
simplified good shoot bad shoot. So if you were charged
(21:27):
with analyzing this from a good shoot bad shoot perspective,
what should people know about what this video shows? And
how would you analyze it? From a good shoot that is,
it is a legal opportunity to shoot someone, and a
bad shoot that is, it would be illegal and you
could potentially face criminal charges. Right, And I'm glad you
clarify that too, because when you say something like clean
(21:48):
shoot or good shoot in law enforcement or law terminology,
it's not like celebrating and high fiving over it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It just means that it was lawful, right.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, it's sad when someone is killed in a
whole range of law enforcement situations, you know, if someone's
having a perfect example Clay, the woman who came after
that officer on the body cam, and I think it
was Virginia basketball player with the butcher knife, right, he
had every right to shoot her. He did nothing wrong,
(22:18):
but as a terrible she clearly was having a mental breakdown,
and it was a very sad situation. But he had
to shoot her. Yeah, good shoot, quote unquote good shoot.
That's not oh wow, I'm so glad that this thing
is a horrible thing that happened. But he did nothing wrong,
nothing unlawful in the shooting, and in fact, in that case, clearly,
I mean, it was beyond any reasonable doubt at all,
(22:39):
there's no doubt had to shoot to save his life,
which he has every right. Every human being, you have
a right to self defense. That is innate. You have
a natural law right to self defense. No state, no entity,
no government can say sorry now. Democrats pretend otherwise. They
sometimes want to make self defense. In fact, they generally
want to make self defense illegal. They want to disarm you,
(23:00):
they want to prosecute you. Depends, of course, on the situation.
You know, who are you defending yourself against. Are you
defending yourself against an oppressed person, then perhaps it's not
self defense, because we have to look at the historical context. Anyway,
the first thing, Clay is, you'll look at this and
this even goes to just my concealed carry course here
in Florida, which so many millions of you listening have
(23:21):
done in different states where you get into am I
in reasonable fear of my safety or the safety of
somebody that I am immediately capable of responding to protect.
So it's not just I have a firearm. By the way,
we're gonna talk about this law enforcement context in a second.
I just mean for everyday civilians, you have a legal
(23:43):
self defense right and the way it breaks down, Yes,
it's different verbiage, and there's duty to retreat, there's castle doctrine,
There's all these things in different states that can come
into play. But the very basic one is the very
basic self defense is do you have a reasonable fear
of serious bodily harm and or death for you or
somebody that you are intervening to protect in a reasonable way.
(24:07):
So if I draw my pistol, some guy pulls a
knife out and says, I'm gonna kill you, give me
your wallet. Oh, I actually am concealed caring right now,
I get to my Smith and Wesson bodyguard. I put
too in his chest. That's a lawful you know, he's
put a knife up to my throat. He said I'm
gonna kill you. Lawful use of force. If he does
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the same thing to my wife, or a friend of
mine that I'm walking down the street with. Again, lawful
user force for me to draw my weapon, because I
can articulate this person had a lethal lethal weapon up
against me, threaten me with it. They force the confrontation.
Clay that also comes into it. This is important.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I know this.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
In Florida law, you can't I can't get into an
argument with somebody. And this is a very good nuance
in the law. I can't get it in an argument.
Somebody pulls me over, go run into my house, get
a gun, go back out to you know, the street
or the bar or whatever. You can't bring them into
a bar, but you know, go go out and say,
oh yeah, let's go buddy.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That can be.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Taken into account. Now you're instigating the situation knowing you
have a firearm.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's different.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now you could be now now you could be looking
at a manslaughter situation.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
So in the case of law enforcement, are they acting
within the scope of their of their actual position. And
we went through this even in the CIA, because I
had weapons in the CIA, and you know, even though
we were abroad, you had to be able to articulate
if you shot somebody. As a CIA officer. They're gonna
treat it just like your FBI or anybody else, right,
They're gonna treat it like a law enforcement situation. So
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you have to be in the in the lawful scope
of your duties, and you have to be in a
reasonable fear of serious body harm yourself, you know, for
yourself or somebody immediately with you. Those are the two
big things. This video, to me, proves beyond any reasonable doubt.
The officer was acting in a lawful capacity, dealing with
somebody obstructing a lawful operation, and is hit by a
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car that is clearly used as a weapon. If you
wanted to get away, if you wanted to hit him,
he can't tell the difference. So to me, it's a
very clearly a clean shoot play based on what a
standard law enforcement use of force would be. Let me
hit you with a couple of other details. For those
of you who are not able to see the video,
(26:23):
and I understand we're sharing with you a video talking
about it on radio. This couple of details. The wife.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
This woman was a lesbian and I don't know if
she was officially married, but she had a partner another woman.
The wife is outside of a car, this Ice agent
appears to be walking around the vehicle to get the
license plate to be able to have the information. They
are at parking blocking the road. As he is asking
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her to get out of the car. One of the
Ice agents is the wife says drive baby drive. She
yells it, drive baby drive. She wants her partner to flee.
This interaction with the Ice agent. You then can see
and again the there has been a discussion. They've tried
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to say, well, she just panicked, she didn't know what
she was doing. She was like her. She is actually
obeying the command of her partner, and she looks directly
at the Ice agent in front of her, who is
firing that the shot who fired the shots that killed her.
(27:38):
She is looking directly at him when she accelerates. So
some people tried to say, well, she never saw him,
like she wasn't aware that he was there.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
She was no.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You can see his video shows her eyes looking directly
at him, and uh, I just I think this is
going to end the story. But for everybody out there
who tried to demonize this guy and say that this
Ice agent was a murderer, like the mayor did that
(28:10):
the argument that he was defending himself was bs like
the mayor did. That this was that he should be
charged with crimes like mayor, like Governor Tim Walls did.
This video completely refutes that, Buck, you and I were
talking about off air.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
This company, this media company, Alphin News. Some of you
may in Minnesota know more about Alpha News. This is
a huge story for them, and it alphannews dot org.
I'm going to their website. This is the organization that
published the uh that published the story. I don't know
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anything about their predispositions, political dispositions, anything at all about it.
It seems like they may be a little bit right leaning.
But the stories that I'm seeing on the front of
their website right now, it appears to be a nonprofit.
But this is a huge coup for them. So again,
you can go watch it. I would encourage you to
(29:08):
go watch it. It has not yet. I'm a little
bit surprised by this not yet aired on any of
the cable news networks, so they are not talking about
this yet. But jd Vance just tweeted, Buck, what the
press has done in lying about this innocent law enforcement
officer is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You should all be ashamed. Of your selves.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Can I just also point out that our initial reaction
to this, based on far less clear video footage, is
nothing but confirmed by additional evidence and information. If that
were not the case, we would speak to you honestly
about that and say, wow, I didn't see that angle
or I didn't realize that aspect of it. Maybe this is,
but I would just note everything we find out just
(29:56):
goes more toward initially what we thought would, which I
think is quite clearly a lawful use of force for
this officer. So nothing has gone with more information, that
position is strengthened without any change in that chain of events.
So I think that's indicative of something going on here
(30:18):
as well. And you know the other part of it
is Clay can't mess around with people with guns who
are doing their job as law enforcement officers. It's a
really bad idea to do. So this should be a
and this is something that clearly they're like training people
to do this in different places.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And this is not a game, all right.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
It's not a game to get in a car and
snowy conditions and get in between cops.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
They're dealing with.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Some of the people that these ice officers are arresting
thousands of them.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
In fact, are not just illegals.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
There are illegal petals, illegal rapists, illegal gang members, trend
to Aragua. There we should we mentioned the trend to Aragua.
Guy was just involved in a shooting or got shot
trying to run his.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Car over people.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes, getting in the middle of this is a dangerous
and stupid thing to do and also a criminal It.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Is criminal clay for a reason.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
You know, the same way that it's illegal to block
a highway.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's a dangerous thing to do.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It is a stupid and dangerous thing to think that
you are blocking cops from doing their jobs because you
don't like federal law, you don't like the policies.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
In effect, it's actually illegal to do that.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Also, this whole world that we have created where we
want to incentivize people to walk around with their cell
phones and taunt other people while recording it in an
effort to try to get a reaction. But what they
are trying to do to ICE is exactly what happened.
They want to accelerate the negativity and in some way
(31:55):
try to get ICE agents misbehaving. The whole point of
having their camera out and filming them and taunting them
while doing it is to get a viral moment that
they can share to try to make Ice look bad.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And I'll just say this again, it's something that I've
been advancing as a theory for quite some time. Body
cams basically defeated BLM god bless body camps once again.
Body camera footage shows us the truth of what happened Clay.
If there was no video of this incident, there would
be a whole different situation playing out right now. You'd
(32:29):
have every Democrat going with the most you know, fanciful
and defamatory version of events to try to destroy this
officer's life and try to all because they want to
undermine efforts to enforce immigration law under the Trump administration.
Because we have video, it makes it a lot harder.
(32:50):
And because you have video from the officer's perspective, you know,
what is that officer supposed to wait until the SUV
is like actually crushing him, like like the tie on
his chest, and then he's allowed to I'm just wondering
what these lunatic libs think is going to be the
policy here going forward. So body cameras they thought Clay.
(33:10):
The left always thought that body cameras were going to
show how much police bautality. There is no It actually
shows how much Democrat voters are lunatics and the cops
are doing an amazing job. That's actually what body cameras
show over and over again, and on the rare occasion
when they don't. By the way, everybody on our side
is like, great, prosecute this cop for actual excessive force.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
They're not allowed to do that. But it's really really rare,
isn't it. Everyone. That's what we see.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
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Let's get to some of these calls. Here we say, okay,
here we go.
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We have Pat in fair Hope, Alabama wants to weigh in.
What's going on? Former Cincinnati resident. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Pat Well?
Speaker 9 (35:15):
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And I love Cincinnati Chili. I think you need to
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recipe and people didn't make it at home, so we
always went to either Skyline or Go Star Chili Parlos
and ate it with shredded Pat.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I just want to say, I think Clay can consider
himself fully chastised right now. Clay has been chastised for
his commentary.
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Pat, I walk where you live right now in fair Hope,
Alabama a beautiful place.
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I'm not trying to throw Pat under the bus here,
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Come back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are going to
be joined on the ground in Minneapolis momentarily by Brecca Stole,
who is there covering the protests in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
But first let me let you know that.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
There is now a video of the ICE officer who
engaged in the shooting, of his perspective immediately before the
shooting took place, that is going to soon be everywhere.
It has been shared by a group called Alpha News.
(00:41):
I believe it makes it quite clear that she was
there to be an antagonist, that she was not somehow,
as they have suggested, a just a mom who showed
up at the event. She was there parked trying to
obstruct the ICE agents from doing their job, and Buck
she drove. She was obstructing, which is why actually circled
the car. She thought that she had a right, which
(01:02):
she did not. And it is a violation of law
to get in the middle of an ICE operation and stop.
This is like that judge that helped the illegal if
you aid ICE in the court in Milwaukee. If I
remember Hannah Dugan, I think something like that, you do
not have the right to do this. She was in
the wrong and Clay, I watched the video. It's a
(01:25):
clean shoot. Sorry, this woman lost her life. It's a
clean shoot. And I've worked at a law enforcement agency.
I've sat through all the training. The guy did nothing wrong.
Breca Stole joins us. Now. Breca, you've been doing great
work on the ground in Minneapolis for the Daily Wire,
(01:46):
and we appreciate you making the time to join us
now from Minneapolis. Have you seen that new video yet?
To what extent in your experience have many of the
protesters there been looking at these videos? What is the
on the ground reaction? And again the breaking news of
this video that has just been released that appears to
(02:07):
be the ice officer's perspective at the time of the shooting.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I claim buck great to be with you guys, but
so I just saw the video. I didn't see or
I didn't cut and hear all the audio. But I
saw her friend, you know, go filming everything, and on
the ground there is a little bit of a delayed reaction.
I think the protesters, you know, they're actively screaming at
Ice field officers. That looks like in law enforcement, and
so they are occupied through their protesting activities. I'm sure
(02:36):
information about this will get out soon, but they are
very firm in their beliefs that I did something wrong
and that they reacted. They continue to say she was murdered,
and I don't think they're willing to listen to really
any evidence or anything that another side or person has
to deliver.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And it's now I think going to go to a
whole new level of this video that we were just discussing.
And what's your sense, Breca for how this is going
to weigh into the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, I think it's really interesting because it does show,
like you said, she she was filming this, Like I
think this really was for TikTok. I think this is
just part of their movement, trying to get word out that,
you know, just kind of defend their side.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
They wanted to distract Ice.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And it's so interesting to me that you come into
the situation and someone's job in law enforcement and you
just think you're so entitled to be there and filming everything,
because at the reality, like this is a difficult job
and for these law enforcements who take their job very
seriously to have to deal with someone, you know, tiktoking
and trying to make a viral video out of this
would be incredibly distracting, and I just think it's it's dangerous,
(03:48):
first of all, and so it's just interesting to see
that these people do it. And it's honestly, I think
the protesters coming out that I've seen on the street
are doing the same thing. Like they're distracting law enforcements
from guarding the ice Field facility because you know, they
know they have to come out there because otherwise these
protesters are going to be at their doors. And so
what you have is them spending all day in a
(04:09):
back and force them, egging them on, screaming terrible insults
at them. And it's like you are distracting these people
from doing their jobs over and over again. And it's
really interesting to see it when we know, like when
stuff happens and problems occur, you call nine one one,
and when something bad is happening, you rely on these
police officers. You rely on law enforcement and come and
(04:30):
save the day.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're talking to Brekastole. She is on the ground.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
We played earlier a clip of you interviewing a woman
who talked about her white tears and how she didn't
even feel like she was maybe even justified in being
there because she was not as oppressed as black and
brown people. Do you think she's representative of the average
protester that you are seeing? And I mean, in many ways,
(04:57):
how did you keep a straight face? I thought you
did a really good interviewing her, and it's obviously gone
very viral. But do you think that she is representative
of the average worldview of people that are protesting in
Minneapolis right now?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Okay, so there's three types of protesters that I'm seeing
that I feel like groups. You can categorize them in brainwashed, scary,
and paid.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I'll start with brainwashed first, which is the woman I
talked to.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So when I'm talking to her, she comes up to
me and she was crying, and I have that before
in the video, but she's upset, and so I just
let her talk. And obviously, you know, I feel bad
for this woman.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
She's obviously very.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Upset, and so talking to her, I think she's about
to tell me she feels it's wrong for her to
be here because it's an eerie, solemn feeling. That's the
direction I thought she was going into. And she then
tells me it's actually because she's a white woman, and
you know, in an interview, you're always trying to be respectful,
You're always just trying to listen to what people say.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And I was like, this woman is upset, and she
clearly believes this.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
She has been brainwashed to think that she's not be
at the scene of another white woman's death because she's white.
And to say that white tears are not always necessary
and helpful was just very odd to me. And so
you know what, you just keep the straight face, you
keep listening, and you're just trying to understand why she
thinks this and where she's coming from. And then the
(06:19):
other two types of protesters I'm seeing are scary, like
I said, and make these are the ones to yell
these insults at law enforcement where it's like they're saying,
you guys are terrorists, go kill yourself.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
You guys are Nazis.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And so it's just like you put those in a
whole other category and you're like, Okay, these people have
so much anger, and this is the potential where you
might see something like the George Floyd riots, when people
get so angry they get destructive. So that's the group
where I would see if something bad happens, like potentially
on Saturday, you might start seeing that from that group
of protesters. The third one, I say paid. I heard
(06:55):
a woman yesterday talk about how we hit the goal
time and could you know, and I think she thought
I was part of the group, and I said, what
do you mean the full time and she said, oh,
we're good, we don't need to be here anymore. And
so I grouped that into the potentially paid, potentially organized.
And those are you see protesters hurling out insults like
you know, to law enforcement as I hope your hotel
(07:17):
has bed bugs, and I'm like, okay, just quite a
spectrum of people we got here on the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Bed bugs. That's really that's really tough. Yeah, that's me.
I say.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So you've been able to talk, you've been able to
talk to someone them. By the way, good on you
for the bravery for dealing with some of these these maniacs.
And please, you know, keep your head on a swivel.
My friend Andy No has been dealing with lunatic protesters
for many, many years, and they are lunatics and they
are dangerous sometimes, so please make sure that you're using
(07:50):
best practices out there on the street. To keep yourself
as safe as you can under the circumstances. Is it
your sense that this is dying down or are they
just getting for the weekend because it is called up
there in Minneapolis in the middle of January m so.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
It's freezing, and it's like yesterday we saw five thousand
and six thousand protesters, you know, marching for hours when
it's fleeting, and so that's interesting. And then today I
have notice it is quieter today, and I think that's
because Tim Waltz.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Put out that video which he called for a.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Moment of silence for Renee Good at ten am and
just hoping to get people like time. So I think
the protesters are taking into that. There's three main places
where they're gathering. That's the scene of Renee's death, the
ice Field office, and then where they organized that protest
in like this intersection downtown, and all of those scenes
have been much quieter today. And I keep hearing last
(08:48):
night at the visual scene they were staying on Saturday,
we're gonna come out here, and so I think they're
using this as kind of a day to recoup, and
then they're coming back stronger than ever on Saturday. And
interesting to see, because I talked to people on the
street and I said, and they were telling me they
think the violence from George Floyd reflected bad on the
(09:09):
Black Lives Matter movement, and so they're trying to use
extra precaution because they don't want violence from this movement
to distract how they feel about ice.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
And so that's what they're worried about.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And they keep saying they don't want Donald Trump to
make an example out of Minneapolis. So I think that
is the main reason for why so far there hasn't
been much destruction.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We're talking to breakast stole of the Daily Wire you
had it. Also, you've done a really good job on
the ground. I've seen several of your videos going viral.
And McDonald's in the area put up a sign that
said they would not allow ice workers to come in
and buy sandwiches, get hamburgers, whatnot. Also we had the
(09:52):
hotel that said we're not going to allow people to
stay there. I tell us what you found with McDonald's
and the hotel and what whther you think that might
be indicative. We talked about this on the show. Somewhat
of a continued shift in the way that big business
is responding after the bud light incident. It seems like
anytime one of these stories go viral, we get an
(10:13):
immediate response. But for real, who didn't see what happened
with McDonald's. Tell us what you found there.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So we were taking a bathroom break from interviewing people
on the street and we go into McDonald's and right
on the door says a sign that says ice is
not allowed here. And so when we interviewed the security
guard inside and we're like, how and also interesting that
the McDonald's had a security guard. He just talked about
how bad the area is and how McDonald has hired him.
(10:41):
He also was about to take our order, so that
was already interesting. But the security guard said he wasn't
sure how the sign got there, but he said it
was private property, and that's what the business decided. Now,
when you actually think about what probably happened here is
you think about McDonald's and they you know, they've just
let Trump be a fry cook during his campaign for
(11:04):
their team, so you know that they did not want
they did not want to say ice was not allowed
into their office. And I can tell by their quickness
to respond to me for comments when they said this
was not authorized by corporate and so what has probably
happened here is it's a franchisee owner who maybe wasn't him,
probably a manager, could even be a woke employee at
(11:26):
the McDonald's who put that sign on the door. And
you see McDonald's actively through their comment and their quickness
to give it to me saying that this is not
okay and obviously ice would be allowed in our stores.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Thank you for the work you're doing, Breca, appreciate it.
Like I said, stay safe and the Lennone throw any
snowballs at.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You and talk to you against it and stay warm.
That sounds miserable to me. The work you're doing is important,
but I can't imagine how frigid it is, so stay warm.
You're getting good stuff, and stay safe.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Great to be with you today.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
She's doing really good work. We wanted to find somebody
on the ground. You can go follow her. She's posting
a lot of videos if you're curious what it actually
looks like amid the protest. Really good work there, Brecastole
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It's time for me to get a little heat.
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Clay steers right into it. You know, he's like and
as always tell you, the more you get angry at
a Clay take the deeper He goes on the take.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So just remember that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Okay, this is like telling someone please don't play with
those fireworks. They make a really big boom. Like he's
now he's gonna run off into the woods with the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
One hundred percent. Here we have Daniel.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
This is Ee on the talkbacks, Daniel from Pennsylvania who
listens on news radio five eighty and play Ee.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Okay, guys, I was loving your show until you went
after the Philly cheese. State Man, Either you need to
see a doctor or you need to have your taste
buds checked or something, because the Philly cheese steak is
God's gift to man.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm with him.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think you're you're just you're out to lunch. No
pun intended on this one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Clay. Clay supports you on the cheese. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Anything that required that has cheese whiz added to it
is just not gourmet.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It is.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
It's just it's two peasants for my taste buds. I
cannot get excited about cheese with. So now there are
fancy cheese steaks out there. If you're gonna slice up
some delicious seasoned sirloin, melt some cheese on it, and Clay.
I'm gonna admit something, Carrie, my wife, we made it.
We went to a mozzarella making class last night to
(15:43):
learn how to make mozzarella. And I will also admit
that I didn't. You're supposed to make it and bring
it home. I couldn't get I just ate it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Were there people in the mozzarella making class? Or is
it just like twenty p It was like a cooking class,
but for making mozzarella. So it was we had a
little date, so we made I made.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
As it was it all dates? Was like, what is it?
All male? Female? Were there any none?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
It was married? It was married couples from the neighborhood
pretty much. Yeah, not really, no surprise there. You know
everyone was talking about like when they had to get
back to their babysitter, including us.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So, but we made some mozzarella. Let me tell you
fresh montzrella.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Romantic, very romantic fresh. Uh So that is fun and
you're wrong on the chiefe steak. But I'm going to
take on some some approbrium here. I'm going to take
on some some negativity maybe from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You asked the question, which I thought was a good one.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Is there any regional delicacy that you have tried that
you are just like, this is not very good. The
whole Cincinnati chili thing, like the spaghetti chili stuff, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It is.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I tried it, and I understand that in Cincinnati there
is a full on revolt that may well be happening
right now.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Through throughout radio. It's awful.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
They should be in arrist in Cincinnati for that to
be the food that they are famous for.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It is atrocious.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I've never heard anybody who comes to Nashville, for instance,
where I live, and says, you know what's really bad?
Fried chicken? You know, hot fried chicken. It's awful, and
no one would ever say it because it would be
a lie. But this Cincinnati chili stuff, buck, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I tried.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I've never even heard of it. I'm looking at a
photo of it right now. Looks like dog food. Not
gonna lie. Can't can't get excited about that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And look, I'm a pro spaghetti, I'm pro chili. I
am not pro the combination of the two. It's awful.
It's really a bad combo. I don't know where it started.
I don't know who's responsible for it, but you can
do better, Cincinnati, You have done better in the past.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Pete Rose is rolling over.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
In his grave right now over this ff Reggie Quick
from North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Hit this one.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
New York style pizza. Totally overrated. I've tried it. I
don't get it. Nothing amazing about it, the whole gotta
have a slice. No, I've had better, way better.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, he's wrong. It's good. First of all.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I don't if you're coming after pizza, It's like, what
have you got going on in your life? Pizza is
pretty much good everywhere. I've never had bad pizza looking
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back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's circle
back again, and right about the end of the first hour,
a video of the ice officer's perspective was released by
a company called a media site called Alpha News. We
(19:16):
talked with the Brekastole on the ground, but I think Buck,
maybe we can circle back to this because it is
not yet airing anywhere on Fox News, CNN or MSNBC.
My guess is they're probably trying to validate it themselves,
because this is an exclusive that Alpha News has.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Let's start with this.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You and I are not experts by any stretch of
the imagination and what is fake and what is real.
I will say, though this appears to be very valid,
I don't think this could be AI. I don't think
they could fake this, right? Would you say? We're all
going to be called upon for many different videos in
the years ahead. Is this real or is this fake?
(20:00):
Is probably the number one thing all of us are
going to have to do when we watch videos that
go viral. You and I have watched this video. I
would say with almost one hundred percent certainty. This appears
to be the real video of the perspective of the
ice agent that fired these shots. Yeah, the best thing
you can do these days is try to look for
(20:21):
some visual tells for it to be AI.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And there are some out there. By the way, there
might not be for all that much longer. As these
videos get more and more advanced, then you're really just
trying to go on chain of custody, who had this,
who posted it. But yeah, I have very little doubt
that this video I have. I'm ninety nine percent sure
this video is real.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I would say that I would go even higher. I
mean it would.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You would have to be the greatest AI artist of
all time to fake this when you see the different
perspectives involved. So let's break it down. Because people can't
see it yet and you can't even you can go
on social media and you can watch it at Clay Travis,
at Buck Sexton. We have shared it at the Clay
and Buck Show. So this is one where if you
want to see for yourself and make your own determination,
(21:05):
we encourage you to go look at the video that
we have shared on our social media feeds. Now, with
that in mind, Buck, you have trained I'm gonna make
you the expert here. You have trained I've done this
a little bit because from a legal perspective, I've done it,
but you have spent a lot of time training on
simplified good shoot bad shoot. So if you were charged
(21:27):
with analyzing this from a good shoot bad shoot perspective,
what should people know about what this video shows? And
how would you analyze it? From a good shoot that is,
it is a legal opportunity to shoot someone, and a
bad shoot that is, it would be illegal and you
could potentially face criminal charges. Right, And I'm glad you
clarify that too, because when you say something like clean
(21:48):
shoot or good shoot in law enforcement or law terminology,
it's not like celebrating and high fiving over it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It just means that it was lawful, right.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, it's sad when someone is killed in a
whole range of law enforcement situations, you know, if someone's
having a perfect example Clay, the woman who came after
that officer on the body cam, and I think it
was Virginia basketball player with the butcher knife, right, he
had every right to shoot her. He did nothing wrong,
(22:18):
but as a terrible she clearly was having a mental breakdown,
and it was a very sad situation. But he had
to shoot her. Yeah, good shoot, quote unquote good shoot.
That's not oh wow, I'm so glad that this thing
is a horrible thing that happened. But he did nothing wrong,
nothing unlawful in the shooting, and in fact, in that case, clearly,
I mean, it was beyond any reasonable doubt at all,
(22:39):
there's no doubt had to shoot to save his life,
which he has every right. Every human being, you have
a right to self defense. That is innate. You have
a natural law right to self defense. No state, no entity,
no government can say sorry now. Democrats pretend otherwise. They
sometimes want to make self defense. In fact, they generally
want to make self defense illegal. They want to disarm you,
(23:00):
they want to prosecute you. Depends, of course, on the situation.
You know, who are you defending yourself against. Are you
defending yourself against an oppressed person, then perhaps it's not
self defense, because we have to look at the historical context. Anyway,
the first thing, Clay is, you'll look at this and
this even goes to just my concealed carry course here
in Florida, which so many millions of you listening have
(23:21):
done in different states where you get into am I
in reasonable fear of my safety or the safety of
somebody that I am immediately capable of responding to protect.
So it's not just I have a firearm. By the way,
we're gonna talk about this law enforcement context in a second.
I just mean for everyday civilians, you have a legal
(23:43):
self defense right and the way it breaks down, Yes,
it's different verbiage, and there's duty to retreat, there's castle doctrine,
There's all these things in different states that can come
into play. But the very basic one is the very
basic self defense is do you have a reasonable fear
of serious bodily harm and or death for you or
somebody that you are intervening to protect in a reasonable way.
(24:07):
So if I draw my pistol, some guy pulls a
knife out and says, I'm gonna kill you, give me
your wallet. Oh, I actually am concealed caring right now,
I get to my Smith and Wesson bodyguard. I put
too in his chest. That's a lawful you know, he's
put a knife up to my throat. He said I'm
gonna kill you. Lawful use of force. If he does
(24:27):
the same thing to my wife, or a friend of
mine that I'm walking down the street with. Again, lawful
user force for me to draw my weapon, because I
can articulate this person had a lethal lethal weapon up
against me, threaten me with it. They force the confrontation.
Clay that also comes into it. This is important.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I know this.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
In Florida law, you can't I can't get into an
argument with somebody. And this is a very good nuance
in the law. I can't get it in an argument.
Somebody pulls me over, go run into my house, get
a gun, go back out to you know, the street
or the bar or whatever. You can't bring them into
a bar, but you know, go go out and say,
oh yeah, let's go buddy.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That can be.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Taken into account. Now you're instigating the situation knowing you
have a firearm.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's different.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now you could be now now you could be looking
at a manslaughter situation.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
So in the case of law enforcement, are they acting
within the scope of their of their actual position. And
we went through this even in the CIA, because I
had weapons in the CIA, and you know, even though
we were abroad, you had to be able to articulate
if you shot somebody. As a CIA officer. They're gonna
treat it just like your FBI or anybody else, right,
They're gonna treat it like a law enforcement situation. So
(25:38):
you have to be in the in the lawful scope
of your duties, and you have to be in a
reasonable fear of serious body harm yourself, you know, for
yourself or somebody immediately with you. Those are the two
big things. This video, to me, proves beyond any reasonable doubt.
The officer was acting in a lawful capacity, dealing with
somebody obstructing a lawful operation, and is hit by a
(26:02):
car that is clearly used as a weapon. If you
wanted to get away, if you wanted to hit him,
he can't tell the difference. So to me, it's a
very clearly a clean shoot play based on what a
standard law enforcement use of force would be. Let me
hit you with a couple of other details. For those
of you who are not able to see the video,
(26:23):
and I understand we're sharing with you a video talking
about it on radio. This couple of details. The wife.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
This woman was a lesbian and I don't know if
she was officially married, but she had a partner another woman.
The wife is outside of a car, this Ice agent
appears to be walking around the vehicle to get the
license plate to be able to have the information. They
are at parking blocking the road. As he is asking
(26:57):
her to get out of the car. One of the
Ice agents is the wife says drive baby drive. She
yells it, drive baby drive. She wants her partner to flee.
This interaction with the Ice agent. You then can see
and again the there has been a discussion. They've tried
(27:18):
to say, well, she just panicked, she didn't know what
she was doing. She was like her. She is actually
obeying the command of her partner, and she looks directly
at the Ice agent in front of her, who is
firing that the shot who fired the shots that killed her.
(27:38):
She is looking directly at him when she accelerates. So
some people tried to say, well, she never saw him,
like she wasn't aware that he was there.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
She was no.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You can see his video shows her eyes looking directly
at him, and uh, I just I think this is
going to end the story. But for everybody out there
who tried to demonize this guy and say that this
Ice agent was a murderer, like the mayor did that
(28:10):
the argument that he was defending himself was bs like
the mayor did. That this was that he should be
charged with crimes like mayor, like Governor Tim Walls did.
This video completely refutes that, Buck, you and I were
talking about off air.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
This company, this media company, Alphin News. Some of you
may in Minnesota know more about Alpha News. This is
a huge story for them, and it alphannews dot org.
I'm going to their website. This is the organization that
published the uh that published the story. I don't know
(28:46):
anything about their predispositions, political dispositions, anything at all about it.
It seems like they may be a little bit right leaning.
But the stories that I'm seeing on the front of
their website right now, it appears to be a nonprofit.
But this is a huge coup for them. So again,
you can go watch it. I would encourage you to
(29:08):
go watch it. It has not yet. I'm a little
bit surprised by this not yet aired on any of
the cable news networks, so they are not talking about
this yet. But jd Vance just tweeted, Buck, what the
press has done in lying about this innocent law enforcement
officer is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You should all be ashamed. Of your selves.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Can I just also point out that our initial reaction
to this, based on far less clear video footage, is
nothing but confirmed by additional evidence and information. If that
were not the case, we would speak to you honestly
about that and say, wow, I didn't see that angle
or I didn't realize that aspect of it. Maybe this is,
but I would just note everything we find out just
(29:56):
goes more toward initially what we thought would, which I
think is quite clearly a lawful use of force for
this officer. So nothing has gone with more information, that
position is strengthened without any change in that chain of events.
So I think that's indicative of something going on here
(30:18):
as well. And you know the other part of it
is Clay can't mess around with people with guns who
are doing their job as law enforcement officers. It's a
really bad idea to do. So this should be a
and this is something that clearly they're like training people
to do this in different places.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And this is not a game, all right.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
It's not a game to get in a car and
snowy conditions and get in between cops.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
They're dealing with.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Some of the people that these ice officers are arresting
thousands of them.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
In fact, are not just illegals.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
There are illegal petals, illegal rapists, illegal gang members, trend
to Aragua. There we should we mentioned the trend to Aragua.
Guy was just involved in a shooting or got shot
trying to run his.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Car over people.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes, getting in the middle of this is a dangerous
and stupid thing to do and also a criminal It.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Is criminal clay for a reason.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
You know, the same way that it's illegal to block
a highway.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's a dangerous thing to do.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It is a stupid and dangerous thing to think that
you are blocking cops from doing their jobs because you
don't like federal law, you don't like the policies.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
In effect, it's actually illegal to do that.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Also, this whole world that we have created where we
want to incentivize people to walk around with their cell
phones and taunt other people while recording it in an
effort to try to get a reaction. But what they
are trying to do to ICE is exactly what happened.
They want to accelerate the negativity and in some way
(31:55):
try to get ICE agents misbehaving. The whole point of
having their camera out and filming them and taunting them
while doing it is to get a viral moment that
they can share to try to make Ice look bad.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And I'll just say this again, it's something that I've
been advancing as a theory for quite some time. Body
cams basically defeated BLM god bless body camps once again.
Body camera footage shows us the truth of what happened Clay.
If there was no video of this incident, there would
be a whole different situation playing out right now. You'd
(32:29):
have every Democrat going with the most you know, fanciful
and defamatory version of events to try to destroy this
officer's life and try to all because they want to
undermine efforts to enforce immigration law under the Trump administration.
Because we have video, it makes it a lot harder.
(32:50):
And because you have video from the officer's perspective, you know,
what is that officer supposed to wait until the SUV
is like actually crushing him, like like the tie on
his chest, and then he's allowed to I'm just wondering
what these lunatic libs think is going to be the
policy here going forward. So body cameras they thought Clay.
(33:10):
The left always thought that body cameras were going to
show how much police bautality. There is no It actually
shows how much Democrat voters are lunatics and the cops
are doing an amazing job. That's actually what body cameras
show over and over again, and on the rare occasion
when they don't. By the way, everybody on our side
is like, great, prosecute this cop for actual excessive force.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
They're not allowed to do that. But it's really really rare,
isn't it. Everyone. That's what we see.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
Let's get to some of these calls. Here we say, okay,
here we go.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
We have Pat in fair Hope, Alabama wants to weigh in.
What's going on? Former Cincinnati resident. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Pat Well?
Speaker 9 (35:15):
I grew up in Cincinnati. I'm eighty eight years old.
And I love Cincinnati Chili. I think you need to
rethink it is. It is wonderful. It is a Greek
recipe and people didn't make it at home, so we
always went to either Skyline or Go Star Chili Parlos
and ate it with shredded Pat.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I just want to say, I think Clay can consider
himself fully chastised right now. Clay has been chastised for
his commentary.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Pat, I walk where you live right now in fair Hope,
Alabama a beautiful place.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
It is beautiful. It is beautiful, and I'm so blessed
because our publicsprosure store ourselves from the Skyline Chili, and
I can have it all the time in service of
friends and people here like it too, So I need
you to rethink it.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
He will, Pat, I'll make him rethink it, and you're
a thank you for calling in.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I took my friends in Cincinnati to go to Skyline Chili.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Everyone said, this is the worst meal we've ever had
in our lives. Wow, Wow, double it down.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm not trying to throw Pat under the bus here,
but Pat's one hundred percent wrong on this.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Skyline at Chili is awful.
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